tbh this is probably true of people who don't tryhard, like you can calculate the exact DPS needed to pull off a damatzi skip or you can just have mlynar go brrr. that said though, the game does offer a lot of room for creativity and you'll never need any specific op to clear a stage (besides amiya, for lore reasons).
@frosted-flaky The thing is, he said "good doctor can clear any mission is not true", which implies that its impossible regardless of skill level. Obviously, non-tryhards may need to rely on 6-star carry, and as mean as it sounds, it is a skill issue if you are reliant on 6-stars to clear stages. There's nothing wrong with not being a tryhard, but saying that a casual cant beat a stage without 6-stars doesnt mean that better doctors cant.
This. Ive seen a number of "worst operators" and other such talking about Arknights' bad/difficult units ...And while they are quick to claim Frostleaf is the worst operator ever because she loses aspd in E2, but like Spuria randomly stuns herself *and* your other DPS snipers. I think Spuria is a challenge mode, youd only make the clear HARDer by using her
I eagerly await the rise of Frostleaf Alter the limited 6* Primal Caster that inflicts Black Ice upon enemies or something. And we all instantly toss her in the trash because her attack speed somehow gets even. slower.
It's a shame too; I actually like her design. I think she'd actually be pretty unique if they kept her debuff aspects, and made her direct attacks stronger so she actually has psuedo-Melantha attack when blocking. And yeah, better up-time and actual ATK modifiers on her skills. She is meant to be defensive, yes, but she has little in the way of actually sustaining herself.
If we follow HG's fashion on making modules. The best Frostleaf will get is probably range attack no longer deal reduced ATK for traits upgrade, and attack range increased and maybe no longer have increased attack interval for her talent upgrade.
Frostleaf module, new talent: When skill is active range becomes global, inflicts cold on the target, when attacking a blocked enemy stuns them with every attack.
or just go revert incoming module to modify the talent like : Expand attack range and +15 Attack Speed, inflict -15 Attack Speed to the target for 3 seconds. Altho, the topic here is around "Slight increase Attack Interval" I find it similar to Lee doing it for that matter with Attack Interval case.
@@Area_GnC When you play in Global server, you'll feel unrecognizable against them. They only care bout CN Server (China) since they got it first before Global and you can't get it first before CN with 6 months of wait. The Server cannot be merged at this point, yeah forgettable at best cuz CN got it first before us. The concept can be think IF you can mod the game.
The tragedy is Frostleaf E2's range extension has given her a lot of use cases for me, an example is 6-5 where she can return fire against bone throwers who'd otherwise destroy her or anyone who gets closer to them But Thorns can do it. Qiubai even at S1 can technically do it. I literally don't see Frostleaf as a blocker for the reasons you mentioned and I'm probably the only person who also likes regularly using Frostleaf lol. It probably helps that I use S1 exclusively. If HG wants to be sociopathic and not give her cold or remove her ASPD penalty with her module, I cope for Honeyberry range. If we don't even get that then, yes, clearly HG just hates Frostleaf and revels in the fact that the playerbase always dunks on Frostleaf. It's tragic. As a ranged unit lover I hate it, but yeah your criticisms are on point. Thing is Thorns is also crippled the moment he gets caught in melee but people somehow act like this is never a weakness, probably because they aren't me and fully max his level instead of just keeping him at E260 S3M3 lol
you're not alone in this, I started arknights because my friend were showing a screenshot of his headhunting and I take a liking to Frostleaf, my first E2 was Frostleaf and only kinda swap her for someone from time to time since I found out they had bears and I like bears more often than not, my friends are scolding me for using Frostleaf instead of other options haha
generally the couple type of enemy that would explode Thorns would 2 Elite he is blocking or Boss unit. any other type of mobs would be long dead before reaching him(unless there is a horde rush). so he getting explode by those two type of enemy due to his kit isn't designed for is to be expect and accepted.
Giving Frostleaf cold is what me and a friend have said when talking about her. She is considered the worst lord (mainly because she doesnt have arts dmg), but shes not all that bad early on to help from range. A lot of people really downplay how good she can be and say that you should never build her.
the problem is midnight has more dmg,arts dmg and cost way less to dev.if frostleaf E2 was good maybe it would be a good invest,sadly her promotion make her worse so not much reason to use her
Even if Frostleaf is in desperate need of a module, the thing is i feel as if Hypergryph WONT release Lord Modules because Thorns and Arene powercrept the Lord subclass so bad that even Lappland, who was considered a Game-Breaking Op, fell off so bad because of said 'le powercreep' that she got shifted into Low-Tier Letdown territory. Even if shes now a 'former Letdown', the main stigma she faces is basically "she's not Thorns, she's not Arene, she's not LeBron James; therefore bad" Even if Frostleaf got her Module and it fixed all of her issues, she'd probably still face a hard time being accepted by the players and still face vilification from Meta Slaves, as Modules are released by archetype, which would mean Thorns and Arene would get theirs as well and would only become *even more* busted as a result. Especially with the latter being a fellow 4-Star Lord guard, so people are then going to go "dont invest all this crap in Frostleaf, Arene is right there bruv."
Hilariously the base effect would probably involve removing the damage penalty and that would still give Arene and Thorns a boost during downtime And even if they go with a different base effect, as you say, Frostleaf is still screwed. It's so tragic
Hold on second mate lappy is still one of the best like there's literally no one as good as her when it comes to silencing ops what do you mean she's a letdown??? Not only that but Lappy has arts damage
tbh i have never in my life heard anyone call arene "lappland powercreep"... all i see is people saying not to build him because lappland does more damage... arene's mod will probably give him +10% damage to drones, and considering where glaucus is at i don't think it'll do anything for him.
Honestly, giving her initial SP on S2 would go a long way since it’s a pretty strong skill while it’s active. You could helidrop her when there’s a specific enemy you want to lock down for 25 seconds and then retreat her afterwards, which would reduce the time she’s on the field doing nothing. Unfortunately, modules don’t affect skills so I’m hoping they give her the ability to inflict cold as well.
Tsukinogi is super niche, not fundamentally confused like Frostleaf. there's an actual use case for her(high ground niche), and her invis reveal while super unnecessary still has a use should the situation needed(horde of invis enemy)
I feel kinda bad for Tsukinogi in a meta way, because of the fandom pairing of Młynar x Penance due to them sharing VAs with Kiritsugu and Irisviel from Fate/Zero, when Tsukinogi has the same VA Penance has, and is basically using her Irisviel voice for the role. Not even in fan crack ships she gets justice… at least her outfits are amazing.
As a Vulpoknights player, I use Frostleaf quite frequently and I've had to learn how to work with her flawed skillset. I can make it work, but it does take the extra mile of effort to do so. Not to mention that for Vulpoknights specifically, when looking at crowd control and slowing... She is competing with Angelina, Suzuran and Qanipalaat. And that's a fight she just ain't winning. I am eagerly awaiting Frostleaf getting modules in the hopes that it will make it a bit easier to slot her into the higher difficulty missions.
I'm lucky to have a friend who are also a fellow Frostleaf enjoyer, with me already going the other direction towards the bears since I found out they have bears op, I still liked Frostleaf and wish that she can be relevant... my friend and I have the most problem with her E2 is literally making her worse than her E1 with the damn unnecessary increased attack interval
I feel that proves the point I made in the video: In order to make Frostleaf's current kit good, you just have to make it overly effective, and at that point, you're designing a 6-star, not a niche sub-subclass of lord.
Pramanix module on lvl 3 has 25% chance to inflict Cold for 1 second. So i might be copium hoping, ATLEAST, she can inflict cold if the enemy isn't on cold or frozen. To help Aurora dealing damage. New operator Aroma has talent to inflict levitate when she attack enemy the first time and it doesnt seems good. But knowing HG, and they already implemented this "first attack" gimmick on Ines and Typhon, they probably gonmna implementing it on Frosleaf too.
Que[s2] + saria s3(module 1lv2)+ warfarin s2 aim at unit you want sp /aak at side aiming at liskarm near unit you need sp = free sp for any char so even frost leaf can keep her s2 uptime 2 times longer XD
What I would do is give her a second talent where bound enemies within her range take 600 arts damage a second. That way instead of competing with Ethan, she complements him to do insane arts damage to the enemies.
Wouldn’t be the first time they implemented something like an IS# collectible into a character module (Leizi module is freaking nuts she really deserved that buff)
I feel this clashes with her operator identity though. Rather than making her a more support-oriented operator, she just becomes another dps operator that kinda requires Ethan and Indigo to work.
She was my 2nd E2 after Mousse and I used 4* only for about 3 years. I can confirm Frostleaf is the worst of the 4* operators. She really needed a slow or maybe arts damage on skill to shine like you mentioned. SG agrees she is quite bad.
I would put Frostleaf on every single team ever over Spuria. Spuria is actually, legit, nearly completely useless. In low-medium difficulty content she is at best an inferior replacement for Aak with her S1, and her S2 I don’t even bother using because the self-stun is too troublesome to work with.
Bad operator exist because the better one exist, but arknights itself is beatable with fully build 4 stars, even H stages and IS3&4 highest diff is beatable, it's just that u had to try real hard
video aside, your audio volume is too low dude, I'm blasting an equivalent of Dolby 7.0 in my room and your voice is as loud as the wooden cells moving in my desk
we need frostleaf alter to be a welfare 6star who is worse than vigil, worse than any welfare op, the worst alter, but still better than frostleaf, just for the memes
There's no bad operator Just the worse operator Because there's also a better operator I mean... Just look at Lance-2 Compare to the others medic Lance-2 have the worst healing and like it or not everyone will use more useful medic to replace her because they know she's sucks That's what happened to Matoimaru, Frostleaf, Savage, Folinic, and Swartz
Using Lancet as an example is kinda funny because she's quite useful as emergency burst healing that doesn't take deployment slot. The rest... yeah they're powercrept.
Lancet actually does get used, some bosses target low HP operators and also robots take no deployment slots But I see what you mean either way. Not many people use some medics like Breeze or Folinic cause their investment cost kinda high for what someone else can do
no dude a shit operator doesnt become not shit even if you manage to make them work somehow do not say there arent bad ops cause they very much do exist
If you don’t have any 6*s, those missions with a H prefix is pretty much impossible. So the idea that good doctor can clear any mission is not true.
Dokutah Issue tbh
skill issue
tbh this is probably true of people who don't tryhard, like you can calculate the exact DPS needed to pull off a damatzi skip or you can just have mlynar go brrr. that said though, the game does offer a lot of room for creativity and you'll never need any specific op to clear a stage (besides amiya, for lore reasons).
Look up silvergun
@frosted-flaky The thing is, he said "good doctor can clear any mission is not true", which implies that its impossible regardless of skill level. Obviously, non-tryhards may need to rely on 6-star carry, and as mean as it sounds, it is a skill issue if you are reliant on 6-stars to clear stages. There's nothing wrong with not being a tryhard, but saying that a casual cant beat a stage without 6-stars doesnt mean that better doctors cant.
Spuria: "hold my beer!"
Spuria's just built wrong.
This. Ive seen a number of "worst operators" and other such talking about Arknights' bad/difficult units ...And while they are quick to claim Frostleaf is the worst operator ever because she loses aspd in E2, but like Spuria randomly stuns herself *and* your other DPS snipers. I think Spuria is a challenge mode, youd only make the clear HARDer by using her
ok but where tf did she buy those headphones
Kee
They were given to her as a welcome aboard gift when she joined Rhodes Island. It doesn't say specifically from who though
DOS S3 laughing at the first 30 seconds
I eagerly await the rise of Frostleaf Alter the limited 6* Primal Caster that inflicts Black Ice upon enemies or something.
And we all instantly toss her in the trash because her attack speed somehow gets even. slower.
Skill: once in a while shoots
omg yes i want her to inflict cold
it'd fit with her character story too
It's a shame too; I actually like her design. I think she'd actually be pretty unique if they kept her debuff aspects, and made her direct attacks stronger so she actually has psuedo-Melantha attack when blocking.
And yeah, better up-time and actual ATK modifiers on her skills. She is meant to be defensive, yes, but she has little in the way of actually sustaining herself.
The greatest copium of all times - waiting for the justice for Frostleaf
And yet, we got it!!
If we follow HG's fashion on making modules. The best Frostleaf will get is probably range attack no longer deal reduced ATK for traits upgrade, and attack range increased and maybe no longer have increased attack interval for her talent upgrade.
Frostleaf module, new talent:
When skill is active range becomes global, inflicts cold on the target, when attacking a blocked enemy stuns them with every attack.
Nice 6* you got there pal
@@EggyEggtoast This is the only legit way to fix her honestly. Otherwise they have to rework her entirely.
or just go revert incoming module to modify the talent like : Expand attack range and +15 Attack Speed, inflict -15 Attack Speed to the target for 3 seconds.
Altho, the topic here is around "Slight increase Attack Interval" I find it similar to Lee doing it for that matter with Attack Interval case.
@@dartr045 I was trying to be sarcastic. They would never do what I said, and probably not even your suggestion. Too egotistic, they are I feel.
@@Area_GnC When you play in Global server, you'll feel unrecognizable against them. They only care bout CN Server (China) since they got it first before Global and you can't get it first before CN with 6 months of wait. The Server cannot be merged at this point, yeah forgettable at best cuz CN got it first before us. The concept can be think IF you can mod the game.
The tragedy is Frostleaf E2's range extension has given her a lot of use cases for me, an example is 6-5 where she can return fire against bone throwers who'd otherwise destroy her or anyone who gets closer to them
But Thorns can do it. Qiubai even at S1 can technically do it. I literally don't see Frostleaf as a blocker for the reasons you mentioned and I'm probably the only person who also likes regularly using Frostleaf lol. It probably helps that I use S1 exclusively.
If HG wants to be sociopathic and not give her cold or remove her ASPD penalty with her module, I cope for Honeyberry range. If we don't even get that then, yes, clearly HG just hates Frostleaf and revels in the fact that the playerbase always dunks on Frostleaf. It's tragic. As a ranged unit lover I hate it, but yeah your criticisms are on point.
Thing is Thorns is also crippled the moment he gets caught in melee but people somehow act like this is never a weakness, probably because they aren't me and fully max his level instead of just keeping him at E260 S3M3 lol
you're not alone in this, I started arknights because my friend were showing a screenshot of his headhunting and I take a liking to Frostleaf, my first E2 was Frostleaf and only kinda swap her for someone from time to time since I found out they had bears and I like bears
more often than not, my friends are scolding me for using Frostleaf instead of other options haha
generally the couple type of enemy that would explode Thorns would 2 Elite he is blocking or Boss unit. any other type of mobs would be long dead before reaching him(unless there is a horde rush). so he getting explode by those two type of enemy due to his kit isn't designed for is to be expect and accepted.
Giving Frostleaf cold is what me and a friend have said when talking about her. She is considered the worst lord (mainly because she doesnt have arts dmg), but shes not all that bad early on to help from range. A lot of people really downplay how good she can be and say that you should never build her.
the problem is midnight has more dmg,arts dmg and cost way less to dev.if frostleaf E2 was good maybe it would be a good invest,sadly her promotion make her worse so not much reason to use her
Even if Frostleaf is in desperate need of a module, the thing is i feel as if Hypergryph WONT release Lord Modules because Thorns and Arene powercrept the Lord subclass so bad that even Lappland, who was considered a Game-Breaking Op, fell off so bad because of said 'le powercreep' that she got shifted into Low-Tier Letdown territory. Even if shes now a 'former Letdown', the main stigma she faces is basically "she's not Thorns, she's not Arene, she's not LeBron James; therefore bad"
Even if Frostleaf got her Module and it fixed all of her issues, she'd probably still face a hard time being accepted by the players and still face vilification from Meta Slaves, as Modules are released by archetype, which would mean Thorns and Arene would get theirs as well and would only become *even more* busted as a result. Especially with the latter being a fellow 4-Star Lord guard, so people are then going to go "dont invest all this crap in Frostleaf, Arene is right there bruv."
Hilariously the base effect would probably involve removing the damage penalty and that would still give Arene and Thorns a boost during downtime
And even if they go with a different base effect, as you say, Frostleaf is still screwed. It's so tragic
tbh even thorns is getting powercreeped now. I barely pull him out for stages now that Typhon exists
Hold on second mate lappy is still one of the best like there's literally no one as good as her when it comes to silencing ops what do you mean she's a letdown??? Not only that but Lappy has arts damage
tbh i have never in my life heard anyone call arene "lappland powercreep"... all i see is people saying not to build him because lappland does more damage...
arene's mod will probably give him +10% damage to drones, and considering where glaucus is at i don't think it'll do anything for him.
Thorns is more washed than Silverash. And Arene does not powercreep Lappland at all.
Honestly, giving her initial SP on S2 would go a long way since it’s a pretty strong skill while it’s active. You could helidrop her when there’s a specific enemy you want to lock down for 25 seconds and then retreat her afterwards, which would reduce the time she’s on the field doing nothing. Unfortunately, modules don’t affect skills so I’m hoping they give her the ability to inflict cold as well.
Tsukinogi: "Am I not a joke to you?"
Tsukinogi is super niche, not fundamentally confused like Frostleaf.
there's an actual use case for her(high ground niche), and her invis reveal while super unnecessary still has a use should the situation needed(horde of invis enemy)
her skins game go hard though
I feel kinda bad for Tsukinogi in a meta way, because of the fandom pairing of Młynar x Penance due to them sharing VAs with Kiritsugu and Irisviel from Fate/Zero, when Tsukinogi has the same VA Penance has, and is basically using her Irisviel voice for the role.
Not even in fan crack ships she gets justice… at least her outfits are amazing.
@@littlelw319 HG: what if you had a portable invi reveal that could die?
@@lixocontextualista i'm sorry, what?
As a Vulpoknights player, I use Frostleaf quite frequently and I've had to learn how to work with her flawed skillset. I can make it work, but it does take the extra mile of effort to do so. Not to mention that for Vulpoknights specifically, when looking at crowd control and slowing... She is competing with Angelina, Suzuran and Qanipalaat. And that's a fight she just ain't winning.
I am eagerly awaiting Frostleaf getting modules in the hopes that it will make it a bit easier to slot her into the higher difficulty missions.
Applying cold instead of slow in her kit or talent changes everything.
I'm lucky to have a friend who are also a fellow Frostleaf enjoyer, with me already going the other direction towards the bears since I found out they have bears op, I still liked Frostleaf and wish that she can be relevant... my friend and I have the most problem with her E2 is literally making her worse than her E1 with the damn unnecessary increased attack interval
She was prominent in the anime. I hope that increases the chances they do give her a better module.
Damn after hearing you say "her module" and knowing they made her worse with it lol
Like the biggest issue Frostleaf has is that she was made before "freeze" was a status.
It is truly the bigeest L any entity has ever taken.
Pre-DoS belief system
Unfortunately they made 6* star Frostleaf that's Qiubai, the defensive kit addition is a good suggestion
I feel that proves the point I made in the video: In order to make Frostleaf's current kit good, you just have to make it overly effective, and at that point, you're designing a 6-star, not a niche sub-subclass of lord.
I didn't even think she's bad. i just used her with people like Tachanka or Blaze to help block
She’s like worse than Ethan and May at binding, worse than Arene and midnight as a lord damage dealer. Proud having her at E2M6.
Pramanix module on lvl 3 has 25% chance to inflict Cold for 1 second. So i might be copium hoping, ATLEAST, she can inflict cold if the enemy isn't on cold or frozen. To help Aurora dealing damage. New operator Aroma has talent to inflict levitate when she attack enemy the first time and it doesnt seems good. But knowing HG, and they already implemented this "first attack" gimmick on Ines and Typhon, they probably gonmna implementing it on Frosleaf too.
all that us frostleaf enjoyer could do is to just inhale copium for her alter
Que[s2] + saria s3(module 1lv2)+ warfarin s2 aim at unit you want sp /aak at side aiming at liskarm near unit you need sp = free sp for any char so even frost leaf can keep her s2 uptime 2 times longer XD
What I would do is give her a second talent where bound enemies within her range take 600 arts damage a second. That way instead of competing with Ethan, she complements him to do insane arts damage to the enemies.
Wouldn’t be the first time they implemented something like an IS# collectible into a character module (Leizi module is freaking nuts she really deserved that buff)
I feel this clashes with her operator identity though. Rather than making her a more support-oriented operator, she just becomes another dps operator that kinda requires Ethan and Indigo to work.
How does Windflit keep dodging this label?
Any operator that can fill their niche right is a good operator.
Windflit isn't necessarily bad, he's just kinda pointless
I object statement at 0:31
Ascension 15 izumil 3 star not possible
She was my 2nd E2 after Mousse and I used 4* only for about 3 years.
I can confirm Frostleaf is the worst of the 4* operators. She really needed a slow or maybe arts damage on skill to shine like you mentioned. SG agrees she is quite bad.
I feel like coldshot may have taken frostleaf place since at least frostleaf has a consistent slow with her S2
I would put Frostleaf on every single team ever over Spuria.
Spuria is actually, legit, nearly completely useless.
In low-medium difficulty content she is at best an inferior replacement for Aak with her S1, and her S2 I don’t even bother using because the self-stun is too troublesome to work with.
I built her cause I want her to be good so bad. Plus lords are goated
imagine Frostleaf getting an alter and is just as crap as her og
Imo until lord guard got module just cope qiu bai as frost leaf alter with big makeover coz i think thats how frostleaf concept is supposed to be 😅
Frostleaf is good in recruit
I do agree is bad but fortunately for her she isn't the worst operator in the gale no more. That title has been taken by the smugness of Spuria
Đây là game chiến thuật, với chiến thuật hợp lý thì 3* cũng có thể hạ Patriot
Bad operator exist because the better one exist, but arknights itself is beatable with fully build 4 stars, even H stages and IS3&4 highest diff is beatable, it's just that u had to try real hard
video aside, your audio volume is too low dude, I'm blasting an equivalent of Dolby 7.0 in my room and your voice is as loud as the wooden cells moving in my desk
Is Vigil a good operator if you know how to use him?
yes
@@BloopsArknightswhat about spuria?
yes
we need frostleaf alter to be a welfare 6star who is worse than vigil, worse than any welfare op, the worst alter, but still better than frostleaf, just for the memes
yeah DOS proved this false. I mean S-3 was just wayy to hard with 4*'s. You need something to give you the extra support.
you cant bring DoS in this like its a valid point lol
Dont e2 frostleaf
no, a good operator is a fun operator. and yes, its up to the player
your statement just shuts down discussion :|
@@bakutie shh
There's no bad operator
Just the worse operator
Because there's also a better operator
I mean... Just look at Lance-2
Compare to the others medic Lance-2 have the worst healing and like it or not everyone will use more useful medic to replace her because they know she's sucks
That's what happened to Matoimaru, Frostleaf, Savage, Folinic, and Swartz
Kyo:
Using Lancet as an example is kinda funny because she's quite useful as emergency burst healing that doesn't take deployment slot.
The rest... yeah they're powercrept.
Lancet actually does get used, some bosses target low HP operators and also robots take no deployment slots
But I see what you mean either way. Not many people use some medics like Breeze or Folinic cause their investment cost kinda high for what someone else can do
@@Darkesturnover question who use breeze? Except vulponight or Victorianight?
@@abrahamwijaya6631 medic knight? 😅 Lol
no dude a shit operator doesnt become not shit even if you manage to make them work somehow
do not say there arent bad ops cause they very much do exist
Spuria, Carnelian, Exusiai, Rosmontis
think about it
explain
Vigil isn’t bad
Or the worst rather