What I'd learned from a sniper buddy of mine while still as a 51, the elements of camouflage are: Shape, Shine, Shadow, Surface, Sillouette, Sound, Color, Contrast, & Movement; Act accordingly
I always use Khaki as my base camo for everything, then break the outline with the most common color in the current environment w/ splotches of the 2nd most common color as "micro terrain" in the color scheme
I definitely do appreciate these types of videos. A couple things I would be interested in hearing about is a talk about filling out range cards, a talk about that seven sand bag method/ fighting positions and an overview of what signal plans are and how to organize one, types of signals etc.
I like the format, I like hip pocket classes. Traditional instruction in the “field” would be great. Outstanding class for people who don’t understand concealment. Which is basically everyone. A few pointers; Positioning yourself in dead space and not looking over/to the sides of the bush are key. Look through the bush. Burlap/jute catches on branches and is an obvious tracking indicator. Too much burlap on the head or headdress creates a dark/black hole where the face is. Which is a problem. Jute/Burlap isn’t the color of anything natural. The paint/ dye is essential. Some paints/dyes have UV brighteners in them, potential problem. Jute/Burlap is intended to add texture under and around the natural veg. And can be used to attach veg. Many use rubber bands for that. Painting all your light areas dark and dark areas light can create “chimp face”, which we somehow can pick out just as fast as a human face. I’m not a psychologist, don’t ask me why. Many materials have shine to them. Like fleece (made of pop bottle plastic…) Flat paint can help. Gortex is obvious. Even uniforms can have a shine to them. Alternatively, having a dry uniform when it’s been raining or Vice versa can give you away.
I know I am late to the party, but thank you for taking the time to make this video. I have been trying to convince my peers and command to try to implement ghillie blankets over packs / personnel etc. for signature management especially with UAS becoming an increasingly more prevalent fear in a peer to peer conflict. Most people in my experience so far don't see or understand the importance, and just see it as someone trying to be a wanna be scout/sniper. Don't even get me started about EABO.
Forgot to start the class off by giving us the task conditions and standards! Naw, absolutely great job. I get it that with everything going on in the world it’s really difficult to give out methods to defeat thermal, but simultaneously it seems like the average citizen also has a need to know. I got out in ‘08 so the Eye Of Sauron was really something only we had, now with the advances in technology and as cheap as it’s gotten, it seems like every kid has a thermal optic of some type. All that said, I’d really like to see the thermal view of fighting positions and how we can more effectively protect against the UAS proliferation.
I know Flannel Daddy has done a couple IR info awareness videos as have a few others who have a DD214 now. It’s a really tricky subject I know. Don’t want to reveal TTP, but with the availability of the systems it’s already outside the scope of classification, it’s flying free. Be careful, release/reveal what you can without getting into trouble with your COC. It just seems to me and many others that us older guys (phuq I’m 42…) who have been out a while might possibly have a need to learn/relearn the modern techniques.
Great presentation, thank you for sharing this information. 23:30 There was a series of short videos by grunt proof on this subject, testing how different materials looked under IR and thermal imaging - worth checking out.
hey man, i love the videos. so much good knowledge being handed down. one thing i am curious of, how wide spread is the support in the infantry for utilizing gear like this? what are the chances somebody higher up would be like "what do you need that for, take that off". a video or atleast a segment on the topic would of personal gear would be appreciated.
have you guys tried halo screen aka adaptive ghillie mesh? look it up. If you combine it with small amounts of hessian and some shock cord, you have an excellent, light weight, durable system that you can easily change up
Very Insightful video man! One thing tho i’ve always gone back and forth on is the negative space thing. I get not hiding right beside a tree or something but at the same time shouldnt you move from cover to cover/concealment to concealment?
@@TheGruntPerspective You were talking about not getting caught sitting beside a tree or noticeable terrain feature but instead hiding in “negative space”. But shouldn’t you also want cover or concealment behind say a tree or be close to one in case you need to take cover
The grunt perspective is right. For instance if you sit next beside or using a tree for concealment you could cause "tree cancer". The tree is straight and then if you sit next to it to hide it causes a bump. Could give away your position which happened to guys in sniper school during stalk training
@@protectpersevere2030 The key point here is: cover/concealment is great. Unless it's _the only_ cover/concealment around. "Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected." - _The Art of War_ Sun Tzu
whats your opinion on this fad of fastening segmented camouflage patterned material to your helmet? i keep coming across people on TH-cam who have these helmet covers that are tiger stripe or AORII, its cut so that it has bits missing so that it somewhat breaks up the shape of the helmet. In my opinion; all they've done is changed the pattern in their helmet when theyd be better off doing what the Brits, Canadians or Aussies do and making skrim that you can attach foliage to
Depends. Your goal is to break up the helmet. The shape. Stuffing veg in there means the veg dies and turns brown or wilts. Camo netting does not. So with veg you have to keep checking and dicking with it and making sure it blends with the environment you are currently in. Did you move from grasses to broad leafs and your helmet is still all grass? Veg done "big" will telegraph every small movement your head makes. Camo netting is smaller in its effect so movement is not as widely telegraphed. Do whatever you want. You are a grown ass man. You don't need internet people to tell you how to live your life. The best approach is to get a friend to film you while you try both options. And realise you CAN stuff veg into a camo net on your helmet. Don't feel like you are stuck with either/or.
If I had to guess, the poster does not want info on NV and thermal camo on the internet because it can be used to teach The Enemy. Whoever your Enemy happens to be. My thought is anyone paying attention can figure this out and any force can now buy thermal and learn pretty quick. It's not the 1980s anymore.
@@sunnyoutsidehah132l I respect your perspective. Even though I'm now on a different page. In 2003 I would have agreed more. But there is a benefit to openly discussing the limitations of US equipment. We have been relying on technical superiority and that is fast disappearing. We have become lazy and need to tighten up if we are going to fight peer/near peer threats. There are stories of the Taliban being extremely effective against us because we were too reliant on tech and did not do basic soldier stuff. Primitive people know how to defeat our tech. I think we need to have institutional change and be open with the limitations so our own soldiers understand and respect the limitations of their equipment and don't get lazy.
My guys Sandbags and cammie nets are everywhere. You can use spray paint on gear or cammie paint if you need to wash it out. You can buy a multicam cloth and and strips on your CB gear it breaks up your solid color. Also as a 0311 yall guys dont need to be rocking a full gullie suit.
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What I'd learned from a sniper buddy of mine while still as a 51, the elements of camouflage are: Shape, Shine, Shadow, Surface, Sillouette, Sound, Color, Contrast, & Movement; Act accordingly
I always use Khaki as my base camo for everything, then break the outline with the most common color in the current environment w/ splotches of the 2nd most common color as "micro terrain" in the color scheme
I’ve heard that as well
Love your content, man. From class formats to gear breakdowns, all of it kicks azz. Thank you for your service.🙏🏽🇺🇲💪🏽🤘🏽
Thanks for watching!
@@TheGruntPerspective Fck yeah!🤘🏽
Good job Devil, you're doing great work. Semper Fi!
👊🦅🌎⚓
Semper Fi!
I definitely do appreciate these types of videos. A couple things I would be interested in hearing about is a talk about filling out range cards, a talk about that seven sand bag method/ fighting positions and an overview of what signal plans are and how to organize one, types of signals etc.
I would love to get into that kind of stuff, but I’d be flirting the line of saying to much on public platforms
@TheGruntPerspective fair enough, that thought occurred to me as soon as I posted my comment. You had some good insight on this topic either way.
Hell ya! Great hip pocket class love the grunt humor keep more of ‘em coming
Thanks for watching!
I like the format, I like hip pocket classes. Traditional instruction in the “field” would be great.
Outstanding class for people who don’t understand concealment. Which is basically everyone.
A few pointers;
Positioning yourself in dead space and not looking over/to the sides of the bush are key. Look through the bush.
Burlap/jute catches on branches and is an obvious tracking indicator.
Too much burlap on the head or headdress creates a dark/black hole where the face is. Which is a problem.
Jute/Burlap isn’t the color of anything natural. The paint/ dye is essential. Some paints/dyes have UV brighteners in them, potential problem.
Jute/Burlap is intended to add texture under and around the natural veg. And can be used to attach veg. Many use rubber bands for that.
Painting all your light areas dark and dark areas light can create “chimp face”, which we somehow can pick out just as fast as a human face. I’m not a psychologist, don’t ask me why.
Many materials have shine to them. Like fleece (made of pop bottle plastic…) Flat paint can help. Gortex is obvious. Even uniforms can have a shine to them. Alternatively, having a dry uniform when it’s been raining or Vice versa can give you away.
Thanks for watching!
I know I am late to the party, but thank you for taking the time to make this video. I have been trying to convince my peers and command to try to implement ghillie blankets over packs / personnel etc. for signature management especially with UAS becoming an increasingly more prevalent fear in a peer to peer conflict. Most people in my experience so far don't see or understand the importance, and just see it as someone trying to be a wanna be scout/sniper. Don't even get me started about EABO.
I’m here for you
On the subject of "thermal ghillie suits," also look at Beez Combat Systems' "Predator" line
Forgot to start the class off by giving us the task conditions and standards! Naw, absolutely great job. I get it that with everything going on in the world it’s really difficult to give out methods to defeat thermal, but simultaneously it seems like the average citizen also has a need to know. I got out in ‘08 so the Eye Of Sauron was really something only we had, now with the advances in technology and as cheap as it’s gotten, it seems like every kid has a thermal optic of some type.
All that said, I’d really like to see the thermal view of fighting positions and how we can more effectively protect against the UAS proliferation.
I’ll see what I can do! Thanks for watching!
I know Flannel Daddy has done a couple IR info awareness videos as have a few others who have a DD214 now. It’s a really tricky subject I know. Don’t want to reveal TTP, but with the availability of the systems it’s already outside the scope of classification, it’s flying free.
Be careful, release/reveal what you can without getting into trouble with your COC. It just seems to me and many others that us older guys (phuq I’m 42…) who have been out a while might possibly have a need to learn/relearn the modern techniques.
Love your videos! I really enjoyed the class format, I think it's a great idea.
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We miss you welcome back and thanks for video :))
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Love your content. Thank you for sharing your experience. Subbed.
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Interesting topic! Thanks for sharing.
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Love the videos. Keep them coming.
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Excellent. Good shit🤙
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Excellent video and informative
Thanks for watching!
Great presentation, thank you for sharing this information.
23:30 There was a series of short videos by grunt proof on this subject, testing how different materials looked under IR and thermal imaging - worth checking out.
Thanks for watching!
hey man, i love the videos. so much good knowledge being handed down. one thing i am curious of, how wide spread is the support in the infantry for utilizing gear like this? what are the chances somebody higher up would be like "what do you need that for, take that off". a video or atleast a segment on the topic would of personal gear would be appreciated.
Your experience my vary, but the vast majority of my experiences have been positive with this kind of thing.
This is always a good subject
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That is a cobra hood made by Tactical Concealment if I'm not mistaken.
I don’t know, it doesn’t have any markings on kt
Good work brother
Thanks for watching!
I really dig the mesh parka. I had always meant to get me one while my previous line of work required it. Now, I just have an interest.
It’s definitely handy
@@TheGruntPerspective I miss having a NEED for the fieldcraft stuff. 😞
Change from hunting 2 legged critters to 4.
@@soonerfrac4611 Yeah, I might be able to arrange that sometime.
do a tutorial on how to cut that usgi camo net and make a pack cover
All you do is cut it to the size you want and throw some zip ties on there
Noice
Can you show us your gear room? I envision that scene in Indiana Jones with the massive warehouse!
Lol it’s not what you guys think, I do have a lot of bullshit though
have you guys tried halo screen aka adaptive ghillie mesh? look it up. If you combine it with small amounts of hessian and some shock cord, you have an excellent, light weight, durable system that you can easily change up
I’ll check it out!
@@TheGruntPerspective your videos are excellent, I've watched all of em. How is the belt kit working out?
@@davidoftheforest working out great so far, just wanted to get a good period of time testing before I make a follow up video
Very Insightful video man! One thing tho i’ve always gone back and forth on is the negative space thing. I get not hiding right beside a tree or something but at the same time shouldnt you move from cover to cover/concealment to concealment?
I don’t really understand what you’re saying
@@TheGruntPerspective You were talking about not getting caught sitting beside a tree or noticeable terrain feature but instead hiding in “negative space”. But shouldn’t you also want cover or concealment behind say a tree or be close to one in case you need to take cover
@@protectpersevere2030 oh yeah absolutely, but try to stay away from things that naturally draw the eye. Like the positive space
The grunt perspective is right. For instance if you sit next beside or using a tree for concealment you could cause "tree cancer". The tree is straight and then if you sit next to it to hide it causes a bump. Could give away your position which happened to guys in sniper school during stalk training
@@protectpersevere2030 The key point here is: cover/concealment is great. Unless it's _the only_ cover/concealment around.
"Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected." - _The Art of War_ Sun Tzu
Just curious, how heavy is that cobra hood?
I’ve never weighed it but it has some weight too jt
whats your opinion on this fad of fastening segmented camouflage patterned material to your helmet? i keep coming across people on TH-cam who have these helmet covers that are tiger stripe or AORII, its cut so that it has bits missing so that it somewhat breaks up the shape of the helmet. In my opinion; all they've done is changed the pattern in their helmet when theyd be better off doing what the Brits, Canadians or Aussies do and making skrim that you can attach foliage to
I have a section of good old camie net attached to my helmet
Depends. Your goal is to break up the helmet. The shape.
Stuffing veg in there means the veg dies and turns brown or wilts. Camo netting does not. So with veg you have to keep checking and dicking with it and making sure it blends with the environment you are currently in. Did you move from grasses to broad leafs and your helmet is still all grass?
Veg done "big" will telegraph every small movement your head makes. Camo netting is smaller in its effect so movement is not as widely telegraphed.
Do whatever you want. You are a grown ass man. You don't need internet people to tell you how to live your life. The best approach is to get a friend to film you while you try both options. And realise you CAN stuff veg into a camo net on your helmet. Don't feel like you are stuck with either/or.
@@woodsghost9088 dudes literally called 'the grunt perspective', I wanted a grunts perspective. If I wanted to hear from an asshole; I'd fart
Where do I find a viper hood for $130? On tactical concealments website they go for $200 plus
They must of increased the price
💥🔫🤠Yeehaw
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What brand is your hood set up?
I don’t know, it was a gift
Appears to be from Tactical Concealment... Could be wrong but a few dudes in my platoon rock that brand and this looks very similar
PAINT the inside shine black
I did but it comes off really fast
This should not be on utube
???
Why???
If I had to guess, the poster does not want info on NV and thermal camo on the internet because it can be used to teach The Enemy. Whoever your Enemy happens to be.
My thought is anyone paying attention can figure this out and any force can now buy thermal and learn pretty quick. It's not the 1980s anymore.
@@woodsghost9088 Exactly Opsec. I'm an old dude that doesn't want information used wrong against our service members.
@@sunnyoutsidehah132l I respect your perspective. Even though I'm now on a different page. In 2003 I would have agreed more.
But there is a benefit to openly discussing the limitations of US equipment. We have been relying on technical superiority and that is fast disappearing. We have become lazy and need to tighten up if we are going to fight peer/near peer threats. There are stories of the Taliban being extremely effective against us because we were too reliant on tech and did not do basic soldier stuff. Primitive people know how to defeat our tech. I think we need to have institutional change and be open with the limitations so our own soldiers understand and respect the limitations of their equipment and don't get lazy.
My guys Sandbags and cammie nets are everywhere. You can use spray paint on gear or cammie paint if you need to wash it out. You can buy a multicam cloth and and strips on your CB gear it breaks up your solid color. Also as a 0311 yall guys dont need to be rocking a full gullie suit.
This is good medium between a full suit and nothing. No reason why every infantryman couldn’t have this capability
@@TheGruntPerspective yeah like you have that hood but it's not a full one. A 0311 ain't going and doing 0317 type tasks
@@MrSwccguy oh but we do brother