The standard issue FILBE pack system beats your setups to a pulp! You guys who buy market gear/use old alice packs are simply attempting to set yourself apart from the typical grunt, it's a ("look at me I'm a special operator") status symbol attempt.
@johnjones5932 Uhhh…Alice packs are cheap as hell compared to say a $1200 mystery ranch. even a tac tailor malice is a LOT more expensive than this, for you to say this is a status symbol attempt makes me certain you’re either a troll or developmentally disabled lmao
i like both, both feel different and both can be configured to suit an individual. the Filbe, as a standard ruck, is very nice, but a more compact ruck like the malice is also a very good option, what, are you gonna say a shot angled foregrip is a waste of money on a rifle because we have standard long grips issued? and what else is he "supposed" to spend his disposable income on, spend it on what you want, if you want to invest in your job, do so. stop being a pedantic ass.
Currently in IMC(ITB) at SOI-E. Graduate next week and just wanted to personally thank you for single handily getting me through training as pain free as possible with your knowledge and tips. I was able to share a ton of information with other students in the course and learned a ton from your videos! I have probably watched every single video on your channel multiple times throughout this POI. I have been sharing your channel with everyone I meet who cares about their gear. Keep it up!
I have so much respect for your content. I want you to know that troops in the Canadian Army infantry reference your videos. Your videos are solid, no fluff and no civilian junk. Purely infantry oriented. Love it
Man, the insoles idea is *amazing*. So little size/weight relative to value. Even if you just considered it buddy-gear from a civilian preparedness perspective. You never know how well outfitted the people around you might be. Having the capacity to address a comrade’s poor footwear choices is amazing. They can always be cut down too, if you have big feet.
Wow, I didn't realize how versatile the medium minimalice concept was till you pulled the PC out. That was a surprise. Definitely going to look at modding mine now.
The more things change, the more they stay the same. This isn't very different in either load or layout from what I carried as a combat engineer thirty years ago. Some of the gear is better and/or lighter and you definitely have a better choice of pouches these days, but that pack and load out would have been right at home on our missions.
@@TheGruntPerspective Watched almost every video by now :D I especially love videos about the medium alice, because I'm building my BOB on one and it's not that easy to find good videos to get ideas, let alone in german lmao
I'm very pleased to have run across this channel. I am a technical squid (Electronics Tech) that has been out and retired from the sea now for a few years but something has been bothering me of late. Something doesn't seem right in this world and I have that nagging feeling that it would behoove me to understand a little bit better... 'The way of mud' and to forgo my former occupation with 'The way of water.' I can't help but think this nation is headed for some VERY dark times and I'm preparing for it as well as I can. Information being put out in channels such as this has been opening my eyes quite a bit to what COULD very well be needed in the near future and it helps vets like myself who functioned in a vastly different environment to learn from other subject matter experts in their field therefore saving us mountains of headaches AND MONEY trying to figure out all this 'geardo' avalanche of choices as we go. So, I intend to throw a few things together and prepare as well as I can considering the uncertainty we are facing. Thank you TREMENDOUSLY for putting out the word like this. Semper Fi and, in my case, Anchors Aweigh! Just before finishing up my career, I got to do a little tech support for SDV Team ONE (Seal Delivery Vehicle) out of Pearl around 2008. All I did was direct their equipment upkeep for a time but MY GOD... the warehouse FULL of equipment like you are describing here and PILES Of additional, specialized kit just for that unit was INSANE to witness! I SO wish I had paid more attention to what all was used but it was a full time job just keeping those INSANELY expensive crypto comms bricks (MBITRs and some other much more specialized version of) they used functioning. I've never seen such super expensive items treated SO poorly and come back to us in such horrific condition... encrusted with salt residue and all manners of abuse that was a pain in the ass to keep operable. Yeah, the boys there are very hard on gear. I've seen commercial DUMPSTERS full of gear half used, barely used, in tatters and even BRAND NEW just thrown away due to either outdated or new inventory was coming in. Brand new KYDEX holsters still in the wrap... thrown away! CAMELBAK H.A.W.G hydration day packs, still with tags on them... shytcanned! Talk about fraud, waste and abuse. It was maddening!
Have you considered sewing a mesh into the top flap, like on the MOLLE 2 Rucksack? I find it extremely useful for various admin bullshit, particularly small things, like a single change of socks, a map/admin pouch, extra mags, etc. Would make this ruck even better in my opinion.
I actually did something similar with a bandoleer and some velcro by strapping it on the top flap it enables me to carry extra ammo, a field dressing and some extra stuff that i may need in a hurry
In 3/3 Marines we carried 14 sandbags and i usually went in on tripod, T&E free gun mode. That always worked the best and Gunny never got on to us if we needed to set up the casualty collection point. We are geu ts this is what we do
I would highly recommend taking a look at beez combat systems and their le Grid chest rig. I’ve been running it about 4 years now. It has pull forward straps that make it easy and instant to get a Perfect fit over armor or without armor. Great video as always man. Your channel has been so refreshing.
@@TheGruntPerspective as a 68W equivalent in the Army I serve. I’ve never found a field pack that can fit all my medical gear and my basic field gear. I was lucky enough and did my rifleman’s cse as a Corporal medic and had a ball. I was that guy that was constantly smiling. But I had a great section (squad). Again some good points. Just one thing. It may have been in another video but do you have a repair kit for gear and clothing?? I also keep one of the smaller jetboil systems. Our ration packs come as a 24hr (not single meals) and we don’t have the flamless ration heaters.
Cool pack, I always wanted to get an alice frame for my main pack but I’ll say my new issue was never an issue and was low key comfy however I seen them break all the fucking time within the platoon, mortars did a lot of walking. Anyways cool vid gives me ideas for my Alice pack I just bought out in the civ div
Good breakdown my dude. The addition of the assault pack also makes for a good E&E bag, God forbid you ever needed to use it that way. Some of these old heads don't realize just how much shit the modern Marine and Soldier has to carry nowadays.
Great video! I saw your videos on your plate carrier setups, so I was confused when you pulled out the slick PC. If you're humping that slick PC, where is your fully kitted out PC? I'm just trying to wrap my head around the use case of having a fully kitted out PC and a slick PC as well for conventional infantry work.
The USMC gen 3 pc is like the Russian nesting doll of plate carriers. That slick one I pulled out goes INSIDE of the one you see in my other videos. What I do is wear my chest rig ( which can be found on my channel) for the majority of the time. Then when contact becomes likely, the patrol stops, and dons armor from the pack. Putting the slick body armor on, and the chest rig drapes over the armor. This has been my go too when I have to carry my armor, but not necessarily wear it the whole time. An example of this would be something like a multiple day movement to contact to assault some sort of objective. During the movement the armor is less of a priority because contact is less likely, so it goes in my pack. During the assault is when I would want to wear it, so it comes out and I put it on. The setups you see in my other videos are showcasing my plate carrier configured to be worn the whole time as my primary kit! I hope that explains it, thanks for watching!
I'd go out with 3. Issued main pack, day pack and the old eagle industries map. The Map was more like a personal preference, used of for raids and mount instead of the day pack. Depending on the op or mission.
I agree especially being an 0331 in the battalion landing teams. Now my brother is Army at Bragg and he says he carries an Eagle Yote, the ISSUED assault pack, and MOLLE 2 ruck or the Spears Ruck. The Spears Ruck weren't to good when hitting the beach head they take in to much water, good to go? He's trying to get into the special forces but he's airborne now. I don't see how them boys do it, I'm a Lava Dawgs all the way good to go?
Now that I'm a DM in the Platoon I'm not humping quite as much....maybe 130-140 rounds with the Smaw-Ds, clay ores and 4-6 mortar rounds in the ruck. Cause we're dropped by then off to the 41s when their setting up mortars. The biggest difference is I get ambushed less gold to go?
Great concept, i like the way you priorityze the availability of fresh water; Except for the plate carrier i almost have the same stuff in my civilian pack but it already is around 60 lbs... won't go far...
Thats actually a pretty light weight ruck hes got there. We were making surplus runs all night up to Schofield. Them Army Boys were trading us everuthing they could to include the london bridge stuff. I really liked the Large Molle 2 mainly because Its the unsung hero of beach landings. Our ILBE and FILBE rucks varely had drainage. Now the Molle is different and our gunny helped us paint everything When i became the DM and started carrinf the sass i rarried under 138-150 pounds. Its hell in the landing teams but we get it done good to go?
You could fit a large radio in the pack if I took the plate carrier out, with it inside I don’t think so. If you could there wouldn’t be room for anything else
How did you get the pouches on the outside of the medium Alice??? I've done all the fastex buckles and Ive even put it on a filbe frame (yes it works great) but I need to know how you fastened those MOLLE pouches on the outside of an a.l.i.c.e pack. Which has no MOLLE webbing.
I just put the malice clips that come with those pouches through the alice webbing, it’s not as tight as molle but you don’t notice it with the pack on
Have you done a video on your helmet setup? I assume it's pretty high speed, and as a National Guardsman I see a lot of dudes running around with a totally slick ACH because they don't know how to set it up.
Any thoughts on the ILBE? I have the recon version that's bigger than the standard. The assault pack part fits all my gear for a 3 day hike better. I have some of the Corpsman dividers for it too.
I only have experience with the FILBE pack system, I know the ILBE is of good quality but I don’t believe it plays well with armor. Thanks for watching!
I have a recon ILBE too and It's huge, 95L vs 85L on the standard ILBE. I would say the only real pitfall is that if you aren't carrying the maximum amount of volume it fits the weight will sink to the bottom right behind your ass. Pack the light stuff on the bottom and heavier stuff near the top. It's a good pack but somewhat collectible so I rarely use it
Plus whool socks don't get stinky as quick. It's kinda Insane. I've legit worn a wool base layer top for 7 days straight and it didn't stink. Try that with synthetic and it's gonna smell like a football locker room. Question. I do the same water method as u. As far as purifying what are some other options? I know boiling and tabs. Do u know of a filter that also purifies?
I know there are filters out there that purify, or at least claim to. But personally I’m always going to combine with tablets. They are too easy to use, light, small, and give me the peace of mind that I want.
What entrenching tool are you using? I keep finding very old ones that are heavy, or new cheap Chinese made stuff. Would like a quality tool if possible. Thanks.
Are you allowed to bring an ALICE pack or is it unit SOP dependent? Also could you possibly make a video on how to setup a FILBE pack? Thanks love the content so far.
It’s definitely unit specific on what packs they allow you to use. And I haven’t thought about making a FILBE video. Maybe one day I will for guys who have to use it
Are you sure it's a medium alice? Not a large? I've never ever seen a plate carrier fit in a medium but I loaded mine up in my Large in the field multiple times and it was tight
@@KeterMalkuth the main problem with it is the frame, it tends to break. Even if you replace it with another frame, the bag itself doesn’t hold together well. Buckles constantly tear off, and the bag starts to tear where it attaches to the frame.
@@TheGruntPerspectiveAh, I understand, thanks for the insight. I'd heard the FILBE was designed by Mystery Ranch and manufactured by. . . Someone, can't remember who, so couldn't see how it'd be a bad pack. Clearly, it wasn't manufactured close to MR quality.
@@KeterMalkuthFILBE did have input from MR and is produced by the usual suspects, Eagle, Propper, etc.. Marines are hard on their gear, and for the average civvy, getting a non-CIF turn-in FILBE can be a challenge. The FILBE's main issue is it's a gigantic nylon trash bag so most people end up over-packing it. Honestly the newer frames (1606 MC) generally fine for most people, don't throw your pack off the back of trucks and don't load it up with 200lbs and it won't likely crack. I've got a Tactical Tailor V3 on one of those plastic frames and I've been very happy with it.
I kinda talk about it in my alice pack mods video , but in short, the plastic frames break. If you took 10 marines packs and lined them up, at least 5 of their frames would be cracked or broken clean through. The alice pack is perfect example of something that wasn’t broke being “fixed” in my opinion.
Realistically - if you were using an IOTV or IBA type of full-coverage body armor, and you were using the groin/lower back protectors - do you think you would still be able to fit it slick into the ruck?
@@TheGruntPerspective Modern warfare requires you to take off your armor only in the dugout. The green zone exists only many kilometers from the line of contact. and it's important: shatterproof protection is even more important than plates
@@TheGruntPerspectivesort of an update to my question, I found an answer. I started using the dick and ass flaps from the IOTV with my body armor, and when your armor is packed into your ruck it actually basically adds 0 volume, it's not even a consideration. The flaps themselves are maybe 2-3mm thick, and they will fold up against a slick vest or plate carrier perfectly fine. There are many reasons why people choose not to use dick and ass flaps, but the ability to pack your stuff into your ruck isn't a good reason to forgo the shrapnel protection.
What is the mission you are packed for? Do they issue you out all the MREs prior to leaving for the field? Kind of curious what the considerations are. Personally I have yet to live the light world. Deployments were out of a fob so that didn’t count too
@@TheGruntPerspective I am in a similar boat but I am with strykers and we work out of them. Our Rucks are more so storage lockers. Eventully I might need this stuff but till then I dont need this much. So to be clear you move with a no armor then drop ruck and put the armor on and attack right?
Thing is in the Lava dogs, regardless of the weather, terrain or time, we marched Good to Go? Packing for the patrol is an art passed down from Marine to Marine, Generation to Generation. We started our patrols when it was time, not if the weather .permited. We took our security seriously in the Lava Dawgs. Now......When i tried to originaly enlist into the 0351s it might have been different, but i doubt It. I dont talk so smart sounding but im a darn good Marine. Good to Go?
We each got croch rot in Okinawa a few times a piece. The Hookers ar beautiful but they do have those STIs. Im still not completely healed. We did them Glory Holes but had to double time it back to the ship. Longest tools them girls ever saw. Mine and PFC Pengle. Problem was we infected Pengles wife and sister in law on liberty. Is that bad?
I’m not sure what other people think about this, but I’ve always thought a field pack was your main pack basically, carry’s all of your gear. A patrol pack is a smaller pack that is stowed in your field pack and taken out to carry essential gear on patrol away from your patrol base.
Sounds like False Honor to me. Either you barely qualified to be a marine or you're Not in the armed forces. At least be honest about it because false honor is a felony. You Can Not intelligently stretch your water use by not drinking. Your body and mind would shutdown effectively within 18-24 hours. Why aren't you using a U.S. Marine Corps Issue pack, ILBE variant? Only smart thing I've seen you do is carry that amount of water.
Awe, my first hater. Hey man, stay in your lane. If you don’t like the content don’t watch it. I know what I’m doing, I’ve been an infantry marine for over 6 years. I’m literally an infantry instructor. I use that pack because I can. I have nothing to prove to you and give 0% of a fuck what you say. Anyway, I hope you have a better day.
Not a hater, just firm disbeliever in your pitch. Marine Corps standards must be dropping if true because your communication skills are very poor, and you are full of shit. The U.S. Marine Corps is an Excellent Branch of The United States Armed Forces and deserve nothing less than the finest!!! Keep spouting your B.S. to the sheep. Again not a hater, but shit smells the same in any color!!
@@TheGruntPerspective If you ever have to drop your pack to carry out an assault and you cannot get back to your pack, you effectively have no water. Our loadout was 2 1qt canteens on our LBE and any extra in/on the pack. You always had water on you then.
@@localskinwalker I've ruck 40+ miles in the mountains wilderness of California Have you? I don't think so. Try climbing 1 mile + steep hills nonstop then ruck another 39+ miles nonstop. It ain't as bad ass as you think cuz a guy like you will cry for mommy to help carry your load for you once you pass the 1/2 mile mark.
The standard issue FILBE pack system beats your setups to a pulp! You guys who buy market gear/use old alice packs are simply attempting to set yourself apart from the typical grunt, it's a ("look at me I'm a special operator") status symbol attempt.
Okay smooth brain
@@TheGruntPerspective It's also very clearly a ("i have lot's of disposable money") status symbol attempt.
@@johnjones5932 then don’t watch the videos man I don’t know what you want me to say. Excuse me for trying to help guys out
@johnjones5932 Uhhh…Alice packs are cheap as hell compared to say a $1200 mystery ranch. even a tac tailor malice is a LOT more expensive than this, for you to say this is a status symbol attempt makes me certain you’re either a troll or developmentally disabled lmao
i like both, both feel different and both can be configured to suit an individual. the Filbe, as a standard ruck, is very nice, but a more compact ruck like the malice is also a very good option, what, are you gonna say a shot angled foregrip is a waste of money on a rifle because we have standard long grips issued? and what else is he "supposed" to spend his disposable income on, spend it on what you want, if you want to invest in your job, do so. stop being a pedantic ass.
Currently in IMC(ITB) at SOI-E. Graduate next week and just wanted to personally thank you for single handily getting me through training as pain free as possible with your knowledge and tips. I was able to share a ton of information with other students in the course and learned a ton from your videos! I have probably watched every single video on your channel multiple times throughout this POI. I have been sharing your channel with everyone I meet who cares about their gear. Keep it up!
No problem young devil, get out in the fleet and do some good stuff.
Man how have I never thought about bringing extra insoles.
It hit me one day like 3 1/2 years in and I was kicking myself for not thinking of it sooner.
Bring extra legs. Yours may fall apart after a while.
I had to go to no socks or insoles in Hawaii, this would’ve been a much smarter solution.
I was thinking the same bro. It makes you smack your forehead, like what was I even doing? Lol
great info. SgtMaj, CoGunny, XOs from the 70,80s are having strokes with your non-SOP as they say it should be, carried, look like, et al.
Lol
I have so much respect for your content. I want you to know that troops in the Canadian Army infantry reference your videos. Your videos are solid, no fluff and no civilian junk. Purely infantry oriented. Love it
Thank you for watching, I’m happy to help!
Man, the insoles idea is *amazing*. So little size/weight relative to value. Even if you just considered it buddy-gear from a civilian preparedness perspective. You never know how well outfitted the people around you might be. Having the capacity to address a comrade’s poor footwear choices is amazing. They can always be cut down too, if you have big feet.
Never thought of that but definitely valid!
Wow, I didn't realize how versatile the medium minimalice concept was till you pulled the PC out. That was a surprise. Definitely going to look at modding mine now.
Thanks for watching!
Combat engineer for 9 years. Your shit rocks brother 😤😤😤
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The more things change, the more they stay the same. This isn't very different in either load or layout from what I carried as a combat engineer thirty years ago. Some of the gear is better and/or lighter and you definitely have a better choice of pouches these days, but that pack and load out would have been right at home on our missions.
Brilliance in the basics, thanks for watching!
i hope this channel will blow up! keep 'em coming
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@@TheGruntPerspective Watched almost every video by now :D I especially love videos about the medium alice, because I'm building my BOB on one and it's not that easy to find good videos to get ideas, let alone in german lmao
Love the material and your endeavor to educate. Keep it up 🤙
Thanks for watching!
THIS is the kit that I was wondering about. Have packed mine up with a PC and chow. Very heavy.
Yeah it adds up quick. I’d rather carry 65 lbs in a chest rig then carry 45 lbs in a plate carrier though.
This breakdown is fantastic. Thanks mate
Thanks for watching!
WOW, some very good ideas. I never considered my plate carrier in my alice pack, Great idea!
Some very good info brother, thank you.
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Love the channel, I can see how much effort you are putting into youtube and its coming along great! Absolutely love your MALICE pack too
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I'm very pleased to have run across this channel. I am a technical squid (Electronics Tech) that has been out and retired from the sea now for a few years but something has been bothering me of late. Something doesn't seem right in this world and I have that nagging feeling that it would behoove me to understand a little bit better... 'The way of mud' and to forgo my former occupation with 'The way of water.' I can't help but think this nation is headed for some VERY dark times and I'm preparing for it as well as I can. Information being put out in channels such as this has been opening my eyes quite a bit to what COULD very well be needed in the near future and it helps vets like myself who functioned in a vastly different environment to learn from other subject matter experts in their field therefore saving us mountains of headaches AND MONEY trying to figure out all this 'geardo' avalanche of choices as we go. So, I intend to throw a few things together and prepare as well as I can considering the uncertainty we are facing. Thank you TREMENDOUSLY for putting out the word like this. Semper Fi and, in my case, Anchors Aweigh!
Just before finishing up my career, I got to do a little tech support for SDV Team ONE (Seal Delivery Vehicle) out of Pearl around 2008. All I did was direct their equipment upkeep for a time but MY GOD... the warehouse FULL of equipment like you are describing here and PILES Of additional, specialized kit just for that unit was INSANE to witness! I SO wish I had paid more attention to what all was used but it was a full time job just keeping those INSANELY expensive crypto comms bricks (MBITRs and some other much more specialized version of) they used functioning. I've never seen such super expensive items treated SO poorly and come back to us in such horrific condition... encrusted with salt residue and all manners of abuse that was a pain in the ass to keep operable. Yeah, the boys there are very hard on gear. I've seen commercial DUMPSTERS full of gear half used, barely used, in tatters and even BRAND NEW just thrown away due to either outdated or new inventory was coming in. Brand new KYDEX holsters still in the wrap... thrown away! CAMELBAK H.A.W.G hydration day packs, still with tags on them... shytcanned! Talk about fraud, waste and abuse. It was maddening!
Thanks for watching, people like you and people still active are who I made this channel for!
This is awesome. I send almost all your videos the the other TLs in my PLT
Thanks for watching and thanks for the support man!
Great sharing, thank you very much for sharing.
I wish you safety, health and all the best.
Thank you😺
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Hey man, love the vids; keep them up!
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i like the having extra insoles idea i never thought about that. thx
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Just stumbled on your channel well done . Happy trails stay safe young man .
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Man you bring super good ideas about this subject that other's do not . Rah ! G. Speight
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Have you considered sewing a mesh into the top flap, like on the MOLLE 2 Rucksack? I find it extremely useful for various admin bullshit, particularly small things, like a single change of socks, a map/admin pouch, extra mags, etc. Would make this ruck even better in my opinion.
I have not, great idea though!
I actually did something similar with a bandoleer and some velcro by strapping it on the top flap it enables me to carry extra ammo, a field dressing and some extra stuff that i may need in a hurry
In 3/3 Marines we carried 14 sandbags and i usually went in on tripod, T&E free gun mode. That always worked the best and Gunny never got on to us if we needed to set up the casualty collection point. We are geu ts this is what we do
I actually just got that same 48 hour pack for the same reason at the last field op I was on. Worked perfectly
Yeah it worked good for me too! Thanks for watching!
I would highly recommend taking a look at beez combat systems and their le Grid chest rig. I’ve been running it about 4 years now. It has pull forward straps that make it easy and instant to get a Perfect fit over armor or without armor.
Great video as always man. Your channel has been so refreshing.
Thanks for watching!
Man is a camel with all that food and water. Sustainment for daysss
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Nice loadout bro I like the pack and thought process
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65lbs? Why so light? Haha
Great breakdown
Your videos give a very good starter point 👍
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@@TheGruntPerspective as a 68W equivalent in the Army I serve. I’ve never found a field pack that can fit all my medical gear and my basic field gear. I was lucky enough and did my rifleman’s cse as a Corporal medic and had a ball. I was that guy that was constantly smiling. But I had a great section (squad). Again some good points. Just one thing. It may have been in another video but do you have a repair kit for gear and clothing?? I also keep one of the smaller jetboil systems. Our ration packs come as a 24hr (not single meals) and we don’t have the flamless ration heaters.
@@trentsteel4421 yes I do! It’s in the field craft kit! And those MRE’s aren’t 24 hour rations they are like 1-2 MRE’s per day for me at least
Thanks super helpful I’m modding my Alice medium to be like yours because I hate opening and closing the main over and over.
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Marine. Good channel. I’m a former Army Paratrooper in the Infantry. Odd seeing you guys hump around medium rucks. Good set up
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great channel dude!!
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Great intro.
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good info. Thanks!!
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Cool pack, I always wanted to get an alice frame for my main pack but I’ll say my new issue was never an issue and was low key comfy however I seen them break all the fucking time within the platoon, mortars did a lot of walking. Anyways cool vid gives me ideas for my Alice pack I just bought out in the civ div
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"How many gp pouches do you need?" "yes"
Exactly
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Good breakdown my dude. The addition of the assault pack also makes for a good E&E bag, God forbid you ever needed to use it that way. Some of these old heads don't realize just how much shit the modern Marine and Soldier has to carry nowadays.
It’s getting excessive
very good load out not much has changed in 28 year for load out except the plate carrier I am former 11B1P Alies was always fat
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Great video! I saw your videos on your plate carrier setups, so I was confused when you pulled out the slick PC. If you're humping that slick PC, where is your fully kitted out PC? I'm just trying to wrap my head around the use case of having a fully kitted out PC and a slick PC as well for conventional infantry work.
The USMC gen 3 pc is like the Russian nesting doll of plate carriers. That slick one I pulled out goes INSIDE of the one you see in my other videos. What I do is wear my chest rig ( which can be found on my channel) for the majority of the time. Then when contact becomes likely, the patrol stops, and dons armor from the pack. Putting the slick body armor on, and the chest rig drapes over the armor. This has been my go too when I have to carry my armor, but not necessarily wear it the whole time. An example of this would be something like a multiple day movement to contact to assault some sort of objective. During the movement the armor is less of a priority because contact is less likely, so it goes in my pack. During the assault is when I would want to wear it, so it comes out and I put it on.
The setups you see in my other videos are showcasing my plate carrier configured to be worn the whole time as my primary kit!
I hope that explains it, thanks for watching!
I'd go out with 3. Issued main pack, day pack and the old eagle industries map. The Map was more like a personal preference, used of for raids and mount instead of the day pack. Depending on the op or mission.
I agree especially being an 0331 in the battalion landing teams. Now my brother is Army at Bragg and he says he carries an Eagle Yote, the ISSUED assault pack, and MOLLE 2 ruck or the Spears Ruck. The Spears Ruck weren't to good when hitting the beach head they take in to much water, good to go? He's trying to get into the special forces but he's airborne now. I don't see how them boys do it, I'm a Lava Dawgs all the way good to go?
Now that I'm a DM in the Platoon I'm not humping quite as much....maybe 130-140 rounds with the Smaw-Ds, clay ores and 4-6 mortar rounds in the ruck. Cause we're dropped by then off to the 41s when their setting up mortars. The biggest difference is I get ambushed less gold to go?
Great concept, i like the way you priorityze the availability of fresh water; Except for the plate carrier i almost have the same stuff in my civilian pack but it already is around 60 lbs... won't go far...
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Interesting set-up. Where are you storing your NVGs? Are they stored on the chest-rig or is your top flap pouch the preferred spot?
They are either on my chest rig or my shooter belt. If I’m using a the belt I just tuck it under the flap
Thats actually a pretty light weight ruck hes got there. We were making surplus runs all night up to Schofield. Them Army Boys were trading us everuthing they could to include the london bridge stuff. I really liked the Large Molle 2 mainly because Its the unsung hero of beach landings. Our ILBE and FILBE rucks varely had drainage. Now the Molle is different and our gunny helped us paint everything When i became the DM and started carrinf the sass i rarried under 138-150 pounds. Its hell in the landing teams but we get it done good to go?
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Can only suggest water proofing with some dry sacks maybe as those plastic bags might rip
The macs sacs can’t pack down as small as the ziplocs unfortunately
How many pounds is all this together? Btw new favorite channel bro. Thank you for your service
This pack was 65 lbs all together, thanks for watching!
Wondering if could you fit a radio love the idea I’m working on my pack load out and heard good things about the Alice pack
You could fit a large radio in the pack if I took the plate carrier out, with it inside I don’t think so. If you could there wouldn’t be room for anything else
Perfect cause I plan on never using my chest rig anyways I prefer to always have my plate carrier on also wicked quick response time
@@kellenpollard5496 thanks for watching!
How did you get the pouches on the outside of the medium Alice??? I've done all the fastex buckles and Ive even put it on a filbe frame (yes it works great) but I need to know how you fastened those MOLLE pouches on the outside of an a.l.i.c.e pack. Which has no MOLLE webbing.
I just put the malice clips that come with those pouches through the alice webbing, it’s not as tight as molle but you don’t notice it with the pack on
Have you done a video on your helmet setup? I assume it's pretty high speed, and as a National Guardsman I see a lot of dudes running around with a totally slick ACH because they don't know how to set it up.
I have not but it’s very under-whelming, just an ACH with team Wendy pads and suspension system, and some camouflage netting to break up the outline.
Hey man, what poncho do you carry? I usually surf the surplus options on ebay for gear. But with ponchos it is slim pickings.
It’s an old un issued military one. Not sure how old
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Any thoughts on the ILBE? I have the recon version that's bigger than the standard. The assault pack part fits all my gear for a 3 day hike better. I have some of the Corpsman dividers for it too.
I only have experience with the FILBE pack system, I know the ILBE is of good quality but I don’t believe it plays well with armor. Thanks for watching!
You are right, GP. The ILBE was great for movements to contact/recon patrols, wasn't great while wearing flak and kevlar.
I have a recon ILBE too and It's huge, 95L vs 85L on the standard ILBE. I would say the only real pitfall is that if you aren't carrying the maximum amount of volume it fits the weight will sink to the bottom right behind your ass. Pack the light stuff on the bottom and heavier stuff near the top. It's a good pack but somewhat collectible so I rarely use it
Plus whool socks don't get stinky as quick. It's kinda Insane. I've legit worn a wool base layer top for 7 days straight and it didn't stink. Try that with synthetic and it's gonna smell like a football locker room. Question. I do the same water method as u. As far as purifying what are some other options? I know boiling and tabs. Do u know of a filter that also purifies?
I know there are filters out there that purify, or at least claim to. But personally I’m always going to combine with tablets. They are too easy to use, light, small, and give me the peace of mind that I want.
What entrenching tool are you using? I keep finding very old ones that are heavy, or new cheap Chinese made stuff. Would like a quality tool if possible. Thanks.
The standard issue one right now is the Gerber one. It’s like 50 bucks or so? Maybe, I’m not sure
Are you allowed to bring an ALICE pack or is it unit SOP dependent? Also could you possibly make a video on how to setup a FILBE pack? Thanks love the content so far.
It’s definitely unit specific on what packs they allow you to use. And I haven’t thought about making a FILBE video. Maybe one day I will for guys who have to use it
Woobie hoodie i call it
Hey, great vids. How do we support you? Do you have a Patreon link or website?
No I don’t man, haven’t considered it to be honest. Thanks for watching!
Can you link to that warming layer and tarp? I'm not military so I'm not up to snuff on what these are. TY.
The warming layer is an m65 jacket liner. And the poncho can be found if you search for “gi poncho”
@@TheGruntPerspective I appreciate it. I'm build a ruck for myself.
Are you sure it's a medium alice? Not a large? I've never ever seen a plate carrier fit in a medium but I loaded mine up in my Large in the field multiple times and it was tight
It is indeed a medium
Ponch liner shirt = Field Jacket Liner. Semper Fi
Ah yes, thank you
We had an SOP for our ruck set up and layout. Completely different. Surprised you don’t use the FIBLE.
I’m not a fan of the FILBE
@@TheGruntPerspectiveOut of curiosity, what don't you like about it?
@@KeterMalkuth the main problem with it is the frame, it tends to break. Even if you replace it with another frame, the bag itself doesn’t hold together well. Buckles constantly tear off, and the bag starts to tear where it attaches to the frame.
@@TheGruntPerspectiveAh, I understand, thanks for the insight. I'd heard the FILBE was designed by Mystery Ranch and manufactured by. . . Someone, can't remember who, so couldn't see how it'd be a bad pack. Clearly, it wasn't manufactured close to MR quality.
@@KeterMalkuthFILBE did have input from MR and is produced by the usual suspects, Eagle, Propper, etc.. Marines are hard on their gear, and for the average civvy, getting a non-CIF turn-in FILBE can be a challenge. The FILBE's main issue is it's a gigantic nylon trash bag so most people end up over-packing it. Honestly the newer frames (1606 MC) generally fine for most people, don't throw your pack off the back of trucks and don't load it up with 200lbs and it won't likely crack. I've got a Tactical Tailor V3 on one of those plastic frames and I've been very happy with it.
Why not one of the newer pack designs with the plastic frame?
I kinda talk about it in my alice pack mods video , but in short, the plastic frames break. If you took 10 marines packs and lined them up, at least 5 of their frames would be cracked or broken clean through. The alice pack is perfect example of something that wasn’t broke being “fixed” in my opinion.
Thanks for the reply. Just found your other video. Appreciate you always responding to comments from people.
Earned a subscription. Great video. Some of these comments are fucking bonkers which is also entertaining. Keep on passing down wisdom.
Thanks for watching!
Can you do a video on the 7 sand bag thing?
It doesn’t really need a whole video, I’ll do it on my Instagram though in a month or so!
@@TheGruntPerspective I don't have Instagram
@@TheGruntPerspective could post to both or as a short
Realistically - if you were using an IOTV or IBA type of full-coverage body armor, and you were using the groin/lower back protectors - do you think you would still be able to fit it slick into the ruck?
With the vests yes, but not the lower back protection and groin
@@TheGruntPerspective Modern warfare requires you to take off your armor only in the dugout. The green zone exists only many kilometers from the line of contact. and it's important: shatterproof protection is even more important than plates
@@TheGruntPerspectivesort of an update to my question, I found an answer. I started using the dick and ass flaps from the IOTV with my body armor, and when your armor is packed into your ruck it actually basically adds 0 volume, it's not even a consideration. The flaps themselves are maybe 2-3mm thick, and they will fold up against a slick vest or plate carrier perfectly fine. There are many reasons why people choose not to use dick and ass flaps, but the ability to pack your stuff into your ruck isn't a good reason to forgo the shrapnel protection.
@@personalaccount8914 yeah, I don’t believe any marines are using IOTV’s anymore
What is the mission you are packed for? Do they issue you out all the MREs prior to leaving for the field? Kind of curious what the considerations are. Personally I have yet to live the light world. Deployments were out of a fob so that didn’t count too
Patrol base operations and defense. And yeah usually MRE’s are issued prior to leaving and resupplied if necessary. Thanks for watching!
@@TheGruntPerspective I am in a similar boat but I am with strykers and we work out of them. Our Rucks are more so storage lockers. Eventully I might need this stuff but till then I dont need this much.
So to be clear you move with a no armor then drop ruck and put the armor on and attack right?
@@ironteacup2569 Yes that’s the idea. Don’t wear the armor when I don’t need it and put it on when I do
@@TheGruntPerspective yea that would suck to ruck out in armor. IF this means anything to you the enjoy. Make peace or die
Is this a tactical tailor malice?
No it’s a a modded medium Alice pack, I have a whole video breaking it down on my channel!
Interesting. Marines are wearing chest rigs in the field and overseas? You dont have to wear armor 24/7?
It depends on who you ask and what you’re doing, but that’s the idea
Did you add the buckles to the pack?
Yes I did
@@TheGruntPerspective that's nice. Might have to do that.
Riggers are your friend. Mods to all gear for a gsix pack
I used to get so many monsters and 6 oacks
Thing is in the Lava dogs, regardless of the weather, terrain or time, we marched Good to Go? Packing for the patrol is an art passed down from Marine to Marine, Generation to Generation. We started our patrols when it was time, not if the weather .permited. We took our security seriously in the Lava Dawgs. Now......When i tried to originaly enlist into the 0351s it might have been different, but i doubt It. I dont talk so smart sounding but im a darn good Marine. Good to Go?
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What Fanny pack is that for your survival kit ?
Spiritus systems sack pouch
About how much would this weigh with water & food but no extra mission equipment?
It was 65 lbs with 6 mre, snacks, and 6 quarts of water
@@TheGruntPerspective I imagine a winter loadout adds some 10Ib or more
@@TheGruntPerspective 65Ib thats also with the Plate carrier and ammo, correct?
@@xbinbyer1055 yes that’s counting the plate carrier, I don’t have any ammo in the pack though for this video
@@xbinbyer1055 easily ten more lbs
Where is your IFAK?
It’s on my chest rig. I have some band-aids and small stuff in the field craft kit as well.
Yo dawg we heard you like pouches, so we put pouches on your pouches so you can pouch while you pouch out.
Pouch.
Basically
We each got croch rot in Okinawa a few times a piece. The Hookers ar beautiful but they do have those STIs. Im still not completely healed. We did them Glory Holes but had to double time it back to the ship. Longest tools them girls ever saw. Mine and PFC Pengle. Problem was we infected Pengles wife and sister in law on liberty. Is that bad?
You know of any local holes in Sas? I’m heading down there in August and I’ll have six months of work up before I depart with the ARG.
@@RealShipmate yes sir some good ones
What's the difference between the philosophy of a field pack vs a patrol pack?
I’m not sure what other people think about this, but I’ve always thought a field pack was your main pack basically, carry’s all of your gear. A patrol pack is a smaller pack that is stowed in your field pack and taken out to carry essential gear on patrol away from your patrol base.
4 hours, 4 days, 4 weeks
Are you not using camelbacks?
Not in this video. I normally do
@@TheGruntPerspective love the channel. Thanks for new ideas.
What service are you in?
United States Marine
Sounds like False Honor to me. Either you barely qualified to be a marine or you're Not in the armed forces. At least be honest about it because false honor is a felony. You Can Not intelligently stretch your water use by not drinking. Your body and mind would shutdown effectively within 18-24 hours. Why aren't you using a U.S. Marine Corps Issue pack, ILBE variant? Only smart thing I've seen you do is carry that amount of water.
@@KorumEmrys Nigga what?
Awe, my first hater. Hey man, stay in your lane. If you don’t like the content don’t watch it. I know what I’m doing, I’ve been an infantry marine for over 6 years. I’m literally an infantry instructor. I use that pack because I can. I have nothing to prove to you and give 0% of a fuck what you say. Anyway, I hope you have a better day.
Not a hater, just firm disbeliever in your pitch. Marine Corps standards must be dropping if true because your communication skills are very poor, and you are full of shit. The U.S. Marine Corps is an Excellent Branch of The United States Armed Forces and deserve nothing less than the finest!!! Keep spouting your B.S. to the sheep. Again not a hater, but shit smells the same in any color!!
Do u have a face?
It’s covered in cammie paint
I love your channel but, uuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh🤠
Uhh what
@@TheGruntPerspective he probably found a pack of crayons halfway through writing his comment
You will get awfully thirsty if you ever have to drop your pack.
Why do you say that?
@@TheGruntPerspective If you ever have to drop your pack to carry out an assault and you cannot get back to your pack, you effectively have no water. Our loadout was 2 1qt canteens on our LBE and any extra in/on the pack. You always had water on you then.
@@schristi69 you haven’t watched my chest rig video
@@schristi69this is still the same. Low key just common sense. Chow is continuous fellas
Sir. Ounce equals Pounds. That right there is over kill. All you need is a Rambo knife. That's all
And spare socks
@@TheGruntPerspective riiiight! Socks and foot powder 🤣
You won't last a mile carrying that.. all unnecessary gear.
I’ve lasted countless miles carrying all this buddy
Found the guy who can’t ruck
@@localskinwalker I've ruck 40+ miles in the mountains wilderness of California Have you? I don't think so. Try climbing 1 mile + steep hills nonstop then ruck another 39+ miles nonstop. It ain't as bad ass as you think cuz a guy like you will cry for mommy to help carry your load for you once you pass the 1/2 mile mark.
living up to the "soy' part your username