I chose the Hobie Pro 14. I know that it is a bit more pricey but you get what you pay for. The reputation is strong, the support is strong, the performance is strong, the safety is strong. The mirage drive is a beast with the turbo fins. I was actually traveling upstream in a fast flowing river last week! To each his own, but after looking at both options I am happy with my purchase. However, I am not hating on anyone who chooses the Titan. Do your own comparisons if you are in a shop that has both.
Great choice man! I love my Titan but you are right. The size may be a deterrent for some but man is this boat stable and moves pretty well for its size. I'm truck bedding mine with a T-Bone bed extender at the moment. It's getting easier but once you get on the water with it, you forget all about that stuff :)
yeah man, very true. I'm already very happy with it. only had it out on the water a couple of times. stability is amazing....just gotta get used to pedaling and fishing at the same time lol
I was hoping you would choose the Hobie. There is nothing like a Hobie. It took me buying and using 5 different kayaks before I bought my first one. I love mine and will probably never buy another. They have been making pedal drives for so long and have it down to an art, so everything is thought out thoroughly and is practical. The reason you were having a hard time putting the mirage drive in reverse is because you were taking your feet out of the pedals. If you keep your feet on the pedals when you pull the cords and they simply change directions-no problem. I tested the Titan at a Demo day and found it to be slow and too heavy for me. It's my opinion that it is not a kayak, but a boat and that it needs a motor. I can pedal and troll mine all day without getting tired and I'm in my late 50's. I do hope that the Titan fulfills your needs and put you on a bunch of fish. We all have one common goal and that is to catch fish and I'm sure you will. I enjoyed your video.
I have a hobie with the 180 drive(pa14). the salesman did a disservice to him by not explaining that he has to line up the two foot pedals straight up and down then pull the reverse/forward cord. i have paracord going from the drive pull tabs with clips that can clip onto the seat and i just pull those without even leaning over. so while not "instant" there is not much delay. i dont have to take feet off drive... just use one hand and pull.
I'm a Predator fan. I'm 6'4 200 LB being very tall.. stability and being able to fish standing means a lot to me too. You don't want to feel like you are going to fall in when its a little windy or when you set a hook. You made a good choice.
In your Hobie test footage it looks like you didn't have the mirage drive locked in place. Could have added to the difficulty of getting it in reverse easily.
I noticed that too because the Mirage Drive was on an angle. Only one side was locked in. Plus he the seller should have told you to line up the pedals and then pull in in reverse. You don't even have to pull your feet off...I test drove one this past weekend and the seller made sure I understood how to change it up. I was in a pool inside the building and As I was coming up in the wall i LIned my feet up pulled cord and instantly I was in reverse. But I'm glad you did these videos :) I dont even have that much money but when I do save up enough I'm going with outback.
Here checking things out. I'm retiring soon after 34 years as an electrician (union if that matters) and going to slay fish for the rest of my days upright. It's a tuff call between the Hobie 14 pro and the Titan. I just noticed the Hobie Lynx, does this fit anywhere within this category?
I was stuck between the two as well, but the seat on the Hobie is what won it for me, it just doesn't seem like a chair that should be on a kayak, it's so comfortable!
nice video, i just got my TITAN 13.5 home, installed the landing gear and the power pole, once this rain stops i will be taking it out fo the first time. i did get the boonedox t-bone, with the landing gear it does make it easier loading it in the back of the truck.....
Nice, I went with the Mantaray propel and love it. I'm 5'9 185. It is smaller than my vibe and less storage . I just take a back pack now. It is fast and stable. Cuts through waves like a knife. Best thing is, I can fish in the wind, no problem. you will love the Titan. Good fo you man.
Congrats on your new boat! I went with the hobie after test driving both, but it was close! The only thing that made me go hobie is how easy it is to cover water with the mirage drive, propel felt a bit slow and awkward motion. I fish a lot of lakes and pedal an hour + to get to some spots. That being said, the titan was super super stable and is a great kayak. Always happy for someone investing in the sport and can't wait to see some videos!
Being 6'6 320 lbs stability was my #1 priority also. I went with the Feel Free Lure 13.5 its awesome and the pedal drive system hits the market sometime this summer! Great video and congrats bud
Awesome video. I'm a Hobie guy and a Jackson big rig guy . Standing at 6'1" 340 pounds I definitely feel your pain in needing a stable platform. The 2017 pro angler 14 was the way I went but I'm sure you're gonna love the titan. Give Dave Allen from Boonedox USA a call about the landing gear I don't believe they are on that big of a back order right now. For big kayaks the landing gear is a god send my friend. Tight lines bro.
Hey man I live in Jacksonville close to may port and I was leaning toward buying the Hobie kayak I had the same problem you can't find the Native close by to check it out.
The first thing I noticed was the mirage drive in the Hobie was not locked in and it still made your top 2. I tried them both and picked the PA for my inland fishing. Enjoy brother.
For Hobies you need to line up the pedals to pull the cord for reverse. It looked like you had the pedals apart which makes it a lot tougher to pull. Congrats on your choice man, looks like a great kayak. I have not got to test that one out yet.
one of the cons about the hobie pa12 is that it refuse to turn when moving from a dead stop, which means you have to get it up to speeds of 2mph+ for it to want to turn. The same goes for reversing also.. it tends to only want to reverse on a straight line unless you really get it moving(but just like driving a car, we don'tneed to reverse at higher speeds). however, it does turn very sharp once you get it up to speed. don't know how the titan compares with turning from a dead stop.
Damn! Congrats brother and welcome to the Native Tribe. I've heard the BooneDox landing gear is a most if you don't have a trailer to just back it into the water. Primarily to prevent damage to rudder and ease of transport.
Not sure exactly where you are and I wish I had seen this previously, but Pensacola Kayak & Sail has the Pescador Pilot and Brian is awesone over there. He will let you try it before you buy it. I am guessing you would probably still be happier with the Titan because the stability of the Pilot is similar to the Slayer. I am in Navarre, FL and am still trying to decide whether to go with the Slayer, the Pilot, or the Radar. Thanks for the video and congrats on the new kayak! Looking forward to seeing some fishing videos from it!!
Yeah I'm a little far from pensacola...but that's good to know for future reference. Yeah the titan is certainly the most stable, and that's what i needed. Thanks for watching.
I like the native yak you chose but was wondering in one of your other vids fishing it it seemed to squeak a lot could of been your life jacket on the seat. does it make a lot of noise in the water?
Great video, glad you went with the Titan. The reverse alone is worth it. I have two Slayer 10s I travel all over TX with. One suggestion is an upgraded rudder made by BoonDocks. You will quickly out turn that PA 12.
Enjoy....agree about the Hobie. Surprised that being the first manufacturer with the only pedal drive has not progressed with their pedal ability. Your not kidding about storage and room on that Titan! HUGE... Ive heard people replacing the rudders on the Natives with a longer metal construction rudder for better turning/tracking ability. Happy Fishing brother! For the price, Im going to try out the Pescador. It probably wouldnt have been a good fit for you being your size. Now let the modifications begin!
Bro I have been looking for a month now moving to Texas coast and i have not been wanting to get the wrong boat, but this thing man yeah I am sold on it , plus did you know you can get another seat on the back for a second person , awesome wow. thanks for maken this vid ! Helped me make my decisions. the Titan oh man I cant wait few more weeks and we move then im gettin that bad boy.
I've had my slayer13 since it came out, the reverse is just hands down the biggest plus. I do a lot of river and ocean fishing, doesn't weigh much getting it to river through steep banks etc, the reverse in current and so on are my pluses..I have been wanting the Titan but after thinking of the terrain I have to go through in order to launch it just seems to heavy..great choice by the way no better drive system in my opinion, salt water or banging into things it is just as flawless as the day it was new (2014 if I recall). For fun you can even 3D print your own propellers and mess with pitch..several people in the woodlands have them for working out on lake woodlands and I've punched out a few that will work your legs to the bone...
so what was the price on the boat? or did i miss that somewhere? just wanted to let you know that this is the second channel that i subscribed to that has fishing and or hunting vids. will be nice to see the progresstion of your channel as you start to really grow. keep up the good work and look forward to the future of your channel.
Great video!! I've been looking at that boat hard. This was really interesting because the PA has been my dream-yak for a long time. I'm totally much more interested in the Titon now. Looking forward to your review. Tight lines brother!!
Hi lobo I know you brought the native watercraft titan, thinking about buying one how do you like it. Are there any issues with it you can tell me or anyone else that may have one the pros and cons thank you.
Bought my Native Titan last Friday (waiting for the Boondocks Running Gear from ACK to be delivered). Had to settle on the 10.5, as being in my 70's, it's getting harder now to pick up much over 150 pounds! (And, I got rid of my sit-in kayak, too! Don't laugh...! When you're my age, have a torn ACl and bad back, it's HARD to get out of a sit-in "Yak"!) Haha! Here's hoping everyone is having Fun on the Water, this Summer...(no matter WHAT Brand 'Yak" you're using)...I'm sure I will...!
Well I think one thing you overlooked and therefore made the wrong decision was that the Hobie kayak can go in shallower water and over logs in the rivers because the flappers hug the bottom of the kayak when needed. You push one leg forward and one back and they fold up. So with the kind you bought is basically like a boat, it sticks down into the water and doesn't move out of the way when needed. And you take a chance on breaking the propeller blades and if traveling fast and all of a sudden hit a log the pressure from the sudden stop could do damage to the kayak or the drive system. Great video though
You should of tested the pa14 if you wanted space and stability. Not the 12. The deciding factor for you was easy reverse. For me it was torque. Mirage Drive has way more torque than a propeller. Look up the tug of war. I fish heavy current a couple miles in the oceans and bay. That was important to me for my safety incase I had to go against current and wind.
I dono man, that Native has a lot of possibilities so I’m not saying its a bad choice, but clearly you didn’t get instructed correctly on the Hobie Mirage 180. No need to remove feet, pedals vertical, Pull cord, 1/2 second when you get it. PoK. No big deal, no way to lose between those two! Congrats!!
Have you had it in rough water yet? I've heard from a few people and even a dealer that you lose traction in rough water, which could be a bad thing. Stay close to the shore and keep casting!
The Hobie drive should not swing left and right like that. You probably didn't set it correctly. But glad you got a second chance to settle with a PA 14.
Quick question. You came from a Jackson and I heard about the issue you had. Would you purchase another Jackson? I am looking at their new kayak with their flex drive. The video looks impressive but that is just the sales video. Thanks!!
Congratulations! In your review, please address any prop noise your hearing, I'm wondering if the Titan I demo'd maybe had a faulty drive and I should try another one. Right now my front runners are PA 14 and Predator PDL. Thanks for the great vids.
I was wondering because that is a heavy kayak, I am actually trying to figure out how to haul my Hobie on my truck. I have a tool box so that takes up bed space. Good choice on kayak though man. Good luck, Tight lines
so the pdl IS faster!! I've been scowering the internet and TH-cam to find videos or answers to which one is faster!! Pdl vs Mirage drive. Thanks for the update and help!!
it's not as hard as you made it into... not to be rude.. but you didn't have the mirage drive in the notches right so it was wobbling. second of all you just push the pedals parallel and pull and that's it. third of all the hobie has more adjustability. fourth, the hobie can go really shallow and pedal in inches of water. fifth, the hobie is much more efficient and easier to work on while being more advanced. sixth, the hobie is super high quality and worth every dime. you know hobie is a great company and makes the best of the best because they have won the kayak award every year and all the companies have copied them. i still likes the video and am subscribing... come to alabama and fish sometime
+Jaron Brooks yeah man all good points, the hobie guy didn't tell me any of that stuff, so I kinda thought it was not a good product...boy was I wrong lol.
Want to see a review of the titan offshore through breaking surf and in large waves....then it can be compared to the hobie. None of these offshoot boats have been PROVEN offshore and in SoCal, that’s what matters. Please take your boat to the beach so we can see how it handles breakers
yea man so what do you do If you latch onto a HAWG and for whatever reason you need to back that boat up???? na I don't think I could ever get use to that bro. I think you made the right choice. congrats Lojo
I'm looking for a second kayak, was doing research and came across your video. I was looking at the Native Titan 13.5 which looks like an awesome one. I like it has rails in back to add another seat to bring my daughter along too! I hadn't really looked into them before today but it looks like an great yak!
Man, I called around here in Augusta, and the local Native dealer doesn't have one, and is not going to carry Native in future, so won't even order one for me. I may just get the Perception Pescador Pilot PDL. It doesn't have the integrated Cart trolley, or dual power poles, but it is near half the cost, and I could get it tomorrow. So I may just go that route, and if I want the Native later sell one of mine. This is basically one for the wife, that I will get to use when she isn't so I better get one while she still wants one if you know what I mean. Cheers man. www.perceptionkayaks.com/us/products/pescador-pilot-120
"Hard to pull that cord and get the flippers to ya know, flip", c'mon man! You're fine having to pull a trailer, not going shallow with the drive down, noisier drive, and that sweet bicycle motion putting your knees up into your chest all because you don't want to pull a cord. Also, you can leave your feet on the pedals since you need to line them up anyway. I am curious what the Titan resale value will be. It's an expensive boat so I hope it holds up like the Hobie.
I was just being honest about the experience I had. If you watched the video, I gave lots of praise to Hobie and really had nothing but good things to say about it, except it didn't have instant hands free reverse, which isn't my opinion, it's a fact. I chose the titan due to it's superior stability when on the water. Hobie's pedal drive is better overall, but the titan's stability blows the hobie away. To each his own.
Hope you guys enjoyed!!! I couldn't be any happier with my decision!!! Love you guys!
That's a nice yak. Congrats! Down the road I might go with one myself. The easy reverse would be a big deal to me as well.
lojo.fishing hey bro how do I email u is it just lojo.fishing?
yeah man. lojo.fishing@gmail.com
lojo.fishing alright cool email sent
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I chose the Hobie Pro 14. I know that it is a bit more pricey but you get what you pay for. The reputation is strong, the support is strong, the performance is strong, the safety is strong. The mirage drive is a beast with the turbo fins. I was actually traveling upstream in a fast flowing river last week! To each his own, but after looking at both options I am happy with my purchase. However, I am not hating on anyone who chooses the Titan. Do your own comparisons if you are in a shop that has both.
good stuff man. thanks for the input
Great choice man! I love my Titan but you are right. The size may be a deterrent for some but man is this boat stable and moves pretty well for its size. I'm truck bedding mine with a T-Bone bed extender at the moment. It's getting easier but once you get on the water with it, you forget all about that stuff :)
yeah man, very true. I'm already very happy with it. only had it out on the water a couple of times. stability is amazing....just gotta get used to pedaling and fishing at the same time lol
I was hoping you would choose the Hobie. There is nothing like a Hobie. It took me buying and using 5 different kayaks before I bought my first one. I love mine and will probably never buy another. They have been making pedal drives for so long and have it down to an art, so everything is thought out thoroughly and is practical. The reason you were having a hard time putting the mirage drive in reverse is because you were taking your feet out of the pedals. If you keep your feet on the pedals when you pull the cords and they simply change directions-no problem. I tested the Titan at a Demo day and found it to be slow and too heavy for me. It's my opinion that it is not a kayak, but a boat and that it needs a motor. I can pedal and troll mine all day without getting tired and I'm in my late 50's. I do hope that the Titan fulfills your needs and put you on a bunch of fish. We all have one common goal and that is to catch fish and I'm sure you will. I enjoyed your video.
yeah the hobie was an amazing boat..no doubt about that. the reverse issue really rubbed me the wrong way. but besides that it was a great test drive.
I have a hobie with the 180 drive(pa14). the salesman did a disservice to him by not explaining that he has to line up the two foot pedals straight up and down then pull the reverse/forward cord. i have paracord going from the drive pull tabs with clips that can clip onto the seat and i just pull those without even leaning over. so while not "instant" there is not much delay. i dont have to take feet off drive... just use one hand and pull.
Good idea with the cords. I'm going to try that on mine.
Tommy TwoToes great idea with the cords. You pictures?
Noticed he didn't even have the mirage locked in so this may have not helped !
I'm a Predator fan. I'm 6'4 200 LB being very tall.. stability and being able to fish standing means a lot to me too. You don't want to feel like you are going to fall in when its a little windy or when you set a hook. You made a good choice.
The native slayer 10 seems like the perfect yak. It is easy to load in your truck and is laid out very well.
I'm not sure, I've never used one
Man great job breaking down the pro's and cons of each boat. Great video man really great break down.
+BassGeek thanks man
In your Hobie test footage it looks like you didn't have the mirage drive locked in place. Could have added to the difficulty of getting it in reverse easily.
yeah I kinda thought the same thing. I think maybe it was just loose cuz it was the demo that the guy has taken out a million times
Yep, it's not locked in. Without being locked in, changing directions will be difficult. Mine is easy to operate.
I noticed that too because the Mirage Drive was on an angle. Only one side was locked in. Plus he the seller should have told you to line up the pedals and then pull in in reverse. You don't even have to pull your feet off...I test drove one this past weekend and the seller made sure I understood how to change it up. I was in a pool inside the building and As I was coming up in the wall i LIned my feet up pulled cord and instantly I was in reverse. But I'm glad you did these videos :) I dont even have that much money but when I do save up enough I'm going with outback.
Here checking things out. I'm retiring soon after 34 years as an electrician (union if that matters) and going to slay fish for the rest of my days upright. It's a tuff call between the Hobie 14 pro and the Titan. I just noticed the Hobie Lynx, does this fit anywhere within this category?
Luv your down to earth honest review!! Thanks so much for taking the time!
+Terry L no problem at all! Thanks for watching
I was stuck between the two as well, but the seat on the Hobie is what won it for me, it just doesn't seem like a chair that should be on a kayak, it's so comfortable!
+Will Russell lol thanks for the input
nice video, i just got my TITAN 13.5 home, installed the landing gear and the power pole, once this rain stops i will be taking it out fo the first time. i did get the boonedox t-bone, with the landing gear it does make it easier loading it in the back of the truck.....
+360 Fishing dude that's awesome. I'm stoked for you!!!
Nice, I went with the Mantaray propel and love it. I'm 5'9 185. It is smaller than my vibe and less storage . I just take a back pack now. It is fast and stable. Cuts through waves like a knife. Best thing is, I can fish in the wind, no problem. you will love the Titan. Good fo you man.
nice info man! thanks!
Congrats on your new boat! I went with the hobie after test driving both, but it was close! The only thing that made me go hobie is how easy it is to cover water with the mirage drive, propel felt a bit slow and awkward motion. I fish a lot of lakes and pedal an hour + to get to some spots. That being said, the titan was super super stable and is a great kayak. Always happy for someone investing in the sport and can't wait to see some videos!
yeah it was very close for me as well. the hobie was awesome...no doubt about it. I just went with the more stable yak.
Being 6'6 320 lbs stability was my #1 priority also. I went with the Feel Free Lure 13.5 its awesome and the pedal drive system hits the market sometime this summer! Great video and congrats bud
yeah I feel you on that, I'm a big guy too. I'm glad you found one you like brother
Awesome video. I'm a Hobie guy and a Jackson big rig guy . Standing at 6'1" 340 pounds I definitely feel your pain in needing a stable platform. The 2017 pro angler 14 was the way I went but I'm sure you're gonna love the titan. Give Dave Allen from Boonedox USA a call about the landing gear I don't believe they are on that big of a back order right now. For big kayaks the landing gear is a god send my friend. Tight lines bro.
+chris caluori I loved my #jackson big rig. I hated to let it go. But I needed a pedal drive pol
Nice. Stoked you got the Titan. Such an awesome platform.
no doubt about it.
Hey man I live in Jacksonville close to may port and I was leaning toward buying the Hobie kayak I had the same problem you can't find the Native close by to check it out.
+Jeffrey Graves yeah I got lucky by being able to test them both side by side
I just bought my first ever kayak. I got a good deal on a Titan 10.5 - picking it up tomorrow! Can't wait to get on the water!
Very nice
Congrats on your yak! Looking forward to your review on the Titan.
thanks!!!
As a bigger guy myself those Titan 13.5s look like the epitome of efficiency and comfort. Looks like I've got a new toy to save for.
Congrats on the getting the Titan. Going to pick mine up next week. Can't wait. Keep the vids coming.
awesome man!!! #titangang
I would definitely be okay with either of them. Sweet rides!
+River Certified agreed 👊👊👊
The first thing I noticed was the mirage drive in the Hobie was not locked in and it still made your top 2. I tried them both and picked the PA for my inland fishing. Enjoy brother.
yeah the person who showed it to me probably should have made sure it was locked in lol. thanks!
lojo.fishing Hobie just lost a customer. he's fired lol. jk..😀
For Hobies you need to line up the pedals to pull the cord for reverse. It looked like you had the pedals apart which makes it a lot tougher to pull. Congrats on your choice man, looks like a great kayak. I have not got to test that one out yet.
+Sean Marquis thanks man!
one of the cons about the hobie pa12 is that it refuse to turn when moving from a dead stop, which means you have to get it up to speeds of 2mph+ for it to want to turn. The same goes for reversing also.. it tends to only want to reverse on a straight line unless you really get it moving(but just like driving a car, we don'tneed to reverse at higher speeds). however, it does turn very sharp once you get it up to speed. don't know how the titan compares with turning from a dead stop.
yeah that's one of the many reasons why I chose the titan
I agree as I told u in your top 3 video ,the pa 14 i have reverse is hard to get it to lock in reverse ,all 3 kayaks are great stand in kayak though
+blue grass Bassin yeah very true
Should have Comparied with ......PA 14 its 13' 8" !
Damn! Congrats brother and welcome to the Native Tribe. I've heard the BooneDox landing gear is a most if you don't have a trailer to just back it into the water. Primarily to prevent damage to rudder and ease of transport.
yeah I've heard the same thing. Problem is, the landing gear takes 4-8 weeks to ship. I'm not waiting that long to fish lol
Not sure exactly where you are and I wish I had seen this previously, but Pensacola Kayak & Sail has the Pescador Pilot and Brian is awesone over there. He will let you try it before you buy it. I am guessing you would probably still be happier with the Titan because the stability of the Pilot is similar to the Slayer. I am in Navarre, FL and am still trying to decide whether to go with the Slayer, the Pilot, or the Radar. Thanks for the video and congrats on the new kayak! Looking forward to seeing some fishing videos from it!!
Yeah I'm a little far from pensacola...but that's good to know for future reference. Yeah the titan is certainly the most stable, and that's what i needed. Thanks for watching.
I want to see someone take that Titan BTB. would be a good video to compare the PA and the Titan that way...
+Richard Del campo very true
I like the native yak you chose but was wondering in one of your other vids fishing it it seemed to squeak a lot could of been your life jacket on the seat. does it make a lot of noise in the water?
+Nathan Meier I think that was a different noise in that video. I'm going to do a full review very soon and go over all of that :)
If you do upgrade, don't forget the upgraded cable. The old one will not make it thru one trip with all the new torque.
Great video, glad you went with the Titan. The reverse alone is worth it. I have two Slayer 10s I travel all over TX with. One suggestion is an upgraded rudder made by BoonDocks. You will quickly out turn that PA 12.
+Chief BigDab yeah I agree. I'm actually already having issues with the rudder lol
Enjoy....agree about the Hobie. Surprised that being the first manufacturer with the only pedal drive has not progressed with their pedal ability. Your not kidding about storage and room on that Titan! HUGE... Ive heard people replacing the rudders on the Natives with a longer metal construction rudder for better turning/tracking ability. Happy Fishing brother! For the price, Im going to try out the Pescador. It probably wouldnt have been a good fit for you being your size.
Now let the modifications begin!
yeah that's exactly what I was thinking as I test drove it, everything else on the hobie was awesome though. thanks
Nice new boat my friend! Congratulations!
Bro I have been looking for a month now moving to Texas coast and i have not been wanting to get the wrong boat, but this thing man yeah I am sold on it , plus did you know you can get another seat on the back for a second person , awesome wow. thanks for maken this vid ! Helped me make my decisions. the Titan oh man I cant wait few more weeks and we move then im gettin that bad boy.
+Ugo Splat yeah man it's a solid boat! No doubt about it
I've had my slayer13 since it came out, the reverse is just hands down the biggest plus. I do a lot of river and ocean fishing, doesn't weigh much getting it to river through steep banks etc, the reverse in current and so on are my pluses..I have been wanting the Titan but after thinking of the terrain I have to go through in order to launch it just seems to heavy..great choice by the way no better drive system in my opinion, salt water or banging into things it is just as flawless as the day it was new (2014 if I recall). For fun you can even 3D print your own propellers and mess with pitch..several people in the woodlands have them for working out on lake woodlands and I've punched out a few that will work your legs to the bone...
yeah I miss the instant reverse for sure!!!
lojo.fishing you sold the Titan and went with hobie?
you made a great choice.. congrats. the Titan is a beast...
thanks!!! i'm very happy with my choice
so what was the price on the boat? or did i miss that somewhere? just wanted to let you know that this is the second channel that i subscribed to that has fishing and or hunting vids. will be nice to see the progresstion of your channel as you start to really grow. keep up the good work and look forward to the future of your channel.
+cloudy days thank you so much. The price was around 3,200
another advantage of the Hobie is that you can use the peddle drive in shallow water.
+3waver thats true. But I'm not going to be fishing in 4 inches of water very often lol
Great video!! I've been looking at that boat hard. This was really interesting because the PA has been my dream-yak for a long time. I'm totally much more interested in the Titon now. Looking forward to your review. Tight lines brother!!
yeah they are both great, full review coming very soon
Hi lobo I know you brought the native watercraft titan, thinking about buying one how do you like it. Are there any issues with it you can tell me or anyone else that may have one the pros and cons thank you.
+Charlie Richmond yeah I'm actually gonna do a video about the titan very soon. Hold off on buying if you can
Bought my Native Titan last Friday (waiting for the Boondocks Running Gear from ACK to be delivered). Had to settle on the 10.5, as being in my 70's, it's getting harder now to pick up much over 150 pounds! (And, I got rid of my sit-in kayak, too! Don't laugh...! When you're my age, have a torn ACl and bad back, it's HARD to get out of a sit-in "Yak"!) Haha!
Here's hoping everyone is having Fun on the Water, this Summer...(no matter WHAT Brand 'Yak" you're using)...I'm sure I will...!
haha well I hope it works out for you
Well I think one thing you overlooked and therefore made the wrong decision was that the Hobie kayak can go in shallower water and over logs in the rivers because the flappers hug the bottom of the kayak when needed. You push one leg forward and one back and they fold up. So with the kind you bought is basically like a boat, it sticks down into the water and doesn't move out of the way when needed. And you take a chance on breaking the propeller blades and if traveling fast and all of a sudden hit a log the pressure from the sudden stop could do damage to the kayak or the drive system. Great video though
+Mike Bethune yeah thats true. Believe me, it was a tough decision
looks nice. gotta love getting a new toy.
+Intrepid Fisherman that's the damn truth! Lol
all great boats and cant go wrong, i happened to go with the hobie PA 12. great vid!
yeah it made my top 2, the titan was just more stable. thanks
Good choice on your kayak. Congrats!
+Roundabout Watercrafts thank you
I really enjoyed your video! Just subbed! I live in the central Florida area so maybe we can catch some big ones in the near future! Tight lines!!
+Bill York heck yeah man! Sounds gpod
You should of tested the pa14 if you wanted space and stability. Not the 12. The deciding factor for you was easy reverse. For me it was torque. Mirage Drive has way more torque than a propeller. Look up the tug of war. I fish heavy current a couple miles in the oceans and bay. That was important to me for my safety incase I had to go against current and wind.
I ended up getting a PA 14
lojo.fishing I wish I seen this video sooner so I could of helped lol
Should of?
I dono man, that Native has a lot of possibilities so I’m not saying its a bad choice, but clearly you didn’t get instructed correctly on the Hobie Mirage 180. No need to remove feet, pedals vertical, Pull cord, 1/2 second when you get it. PoK. No big deal, no way to lose between those two! Congrats!!
yeah true
Nice review series. I have a feeling a lot of people are in your exact position. Looking forward to see some fish getting caught on it.
i think you are right. we have had amazing engagement of the last few of these videos. I'm bringing this bad boy down to the keys one day lol
Have you had it in rough water yet? I've heard from a few people and even a dealer that you lose traction in rough water, which could be a bad thing. Stay close to the shore and keep casting!
The Hobie drive should not swing left and right like that. You probably didn't set it correctly. But glad you got a second chance to settle with a PA 14.
+yauck1 yeah I wasn't aware of that at the time, the salesman didn't do a good job of explaining things to me
Quick question. You came from a Jackson and I heard about the issue you had. Would you purchase another Jackson? I am looking at their new kayak with their flex drive. The video looks impressive but that is just the sales video. Thanks!!
Well the loved my Jackson. The issue I had was with my native Titan. So yeah I'm sure the new Jackson fd will be awesome!
That was the same 2 Kayaks I deciding between, but easy for me Titan not yet available in Australia
dang that sucks, but you are still stuck with an amazing boat lol
I’m 5’5” been looking into a yak but can’t decide. Everything seems to large. Love the vids LOJO
@lojo.fishing I know you picked your yak. But anyway you can still review the pescador pilot?
+Disciple well...i never got to test drive it...
lojo.fishing OK I didn't know if you were able to get in one locally now that some time has passed. Just respected your opinion/ style of review
I appreciate it
Congrats!!
hooray!!!
how fast are natives vs the Hobie as far as pedaling speed is concerned??
the hobie is faster I think
Congratulations! In your review, please address any prop noise your hearing, I'm wondering if the Titan I demo'd maybe had a faulty drive and I should try another one. Right now my front runners are PA 14 and Predator PDL. Thanks for the great vids.
yeah man I will try to be as thorough and objective in the review as I can
Awesome! Hope it serves you well on the water.
yeah me too, thanks
Interesting you didn't compare the Hobie Revolution 13.
yeah it didn't quite make the cut
Welcome to the family
yesssir!!! #titangang #nativefamily
Skip to 7:00 min mark to actually see a kayak (20 seconds worth).
I'm sure people will appreciate that...
I’m a newer sub I’m 6”2 300 I play college football in Tallahassee and love fishing what kinda of affordable kayak do you recommend for big guys
who do you play for? and what is your kayak budget?
lojo.fishing I play for Florida A&M and I don’t really have one just looking and seeing some prices
Nice new yak! I plan on upgrading to one of those down the road!
hell yeah! #titangang
Very nice! Now, let's see you catch some monsters on them. Heh. Tight lines, bro!
yes sir!!! coming soon
EPF you need a kayak!
What turned you off about the Old Town Predator PDL?
+d4walkaline I had heard good things about it but I didn't have a chance to test it
Have you looked at the hobie pro angler 17?
+Jason Roux no I havent
I've been looking at both kayaks and I know the hobies are expensive and I'm sure the natives are to but how much did you pay for it
+NewChapter Fishing the titan and the hobie PA were almost the same price, 3200
lojo.fishing ok thank you
Good Morning Is that seat removable one at Titan i'm in the market for a new kayak
+Patrick J Shafer Sr it is...but it's kinda a pain to remove
lojo.fishing Thank You I appreciate the Quick response I might end up with the Hobie not 100% sure yet
lojo.fishing I think I am going with the hobie pa 14
Looks like you didn't have the pedals locked in on the hobie
yeah he forgot to tell me that
Thanks for all the info. Congrats to Steven G.
yes sir!!!
That's incredible man!! Looking forward to hearing what you think after some QT in it.
yes sir!!!
How do you haul it? Did you have to get a trailer?
+Arnold Montalvo no I use the bed of my truck...but it's tough lol
I was wondering because that is a heavy kayak, I am actually trying to figure out how to haul my Hobie on my truck. I have a tool box so that takes up bed space. Good choice on kayak though man. Good luck, Tight lines
so the pdl IS faster!! I've been scowering the internet and TH-cam to find videos or answers to which one is faster!! Pdl vs Mirage drive. Thanks for the update and help!!
Can you update us on your decision to choose Native?
+bceagle83 I filmed an update about how my kayak is broken, I'm working on fixing it
it's not as hard as you made it into... not to be rude.. but you didn't have the mirage drive in the notches right so it was wobbling. second of all you just push the pedals parallel and pull and that's it. third of all the hobie has more adjustability. fourth, the hobie can go really shallow and pedal in inches of water. fifth, the hobie is much more efficient and easier to work on while being more advanced. sixth, the hobie is super high quality and worth every dime. you know hobie is a great company and makes the best of the best because they have won the kayak award every year and all the companies have copied them. i still likes the video and am subscribing... come to alabama and fish sometime
+Jaron Brooks yeah man all good points, the hobie guy didn't tell me any of that stuff, so I kinda thought it was not a good product...boy was I wrong lol.
Want to see a review of the titan offshore through breaking surf and in large waves....then it can be compared to the hobie. None of these offshoot boats have been PROVEN offshore and in SoCal, that’s what matters. Please take your boat to the beach so we can see how it handles breakers
well now I have a hobie PA, but I plan on fishing in the gulf of mexico soon
sweet purchase!
thanks
Is the Big Rig or the Hobie PA 12 more stable?
+Danny Hudgins close...but probably the pa
I'm glad I took the time to watch your video. I am 6'4''' 280 lbs and believe the Titan would work for me. Thank you.
glad I could help
I'm 5'6 and 200 lbs and the native plenty stable for me!
that's good to know
just subscribed to your channel. i have a 2016 pa 14 and love it...
+Ed Jenkins nice! Thanks brother
I will say... that seat looks like one would NOT experience 10th degree ASSache !!! nice rig
Lol true
yea man so what do you do If you latch onto a HAWG and for whatever reason you need to back that boat up???? na I don't think I could ever get use to that bro. I think you made the right choice. congrats Lojo
exactly!
Austin Bassin' you got that right. I hooked an eight pounder this weekend and just back peddled away from the dock.
Good choice brother! Best of luck with ole girl.
thanks man!
why wasn't predator pdl on the list?
It's a great boat, just didn't make my top 4.
I just bought a pa 14, no regrets
You were doing the reverse wrong , the pedals have to be even when pulling the cord .....
+bluefishbrad ah ok!!! I did not know that!
I'm looking for a second kayak, was doing research and came across your video. I was looking at the Native Titan 13.5 which looks like an awesome one. I like it has rails in back to add another seat to bring my daughter along too! I hadn't really looked into them before today but it looks like an great yak!
yeah man that's the one I ended up buying and I've enjoyed it so far
Man, I called around here in Augusta, and the local Native dealer doesn't have one, and is not going to carry Native in future, so won't even order one for me. I may just get the Perception Pescador Pilot PDL. It doesn't have the integrated Cart trolley, or dual power poles, but it is near half the cost, and I could get it tomorrow. So I may just go that route, and if I want the Native later sell one of mine. This is basically one for the wife, that I will get to use when she isn't so I better get one while she still wants one if you know what I mean. Cheers man.
www.perceptionkayaks.com/us/products/pescador-pilot-120
sweet looking kayak
thanks!!!
Nice brother
thanks man
Good choice man 👍🏻
thanks!
nice choice brotha, Native IMO is top notch! it's like a mini bass boat, haha. Good Luck man....
it's definietly a nice boat. thanks!
Way to go!!
+BlackAnvil47 thank you
Does the drive make noise when pedaling or turning?
they both make noise, but the hobie makes less noise
Native chair kill my back good luck to u sir!
+mike johnson thanks man
"Hard to pull that cord and get the flippers to ya know, flip", c'mon man!
You're fine having to pull a trailer, not going shallow with the drive down, noisier drive, and that sweet bicycle motion putting your knees up into your chest all because you don't want to pull a cord.
Also, you can leave your feet on the pedals since you need to line them up anyway. I am curious what the Titan resale value will be. It's an expensive boat so I hope it holds up like the Hobie.
I was just being honest about the experience I had. If you watched the video, I gave lots of praise to Hobie and really had nothing but good things to say about it, except it didn't have instant hands free reverse, which isn't my opinion, it's a fact. I chose the titan due to it's superior stability when on the water. Hobie's pedal drive is better overall, but the titan's stability blows the hobie away. To each his own.