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For those of us who prefer minimalism. 1 rod, 1 little tackle box with 2 or 3 lures, no trailers no cables no batteries no DIY, just toss my kayak inside the van and be in the water in 5 minutes. Paddle and pedal will always be the choice 😎
@@AliexFolgueira yeah but I'm willing to sacrifice a bit of the minimalism for the extra range and hands free fishing that the pedal allows you to have. With a motor comes a lot of extra weight, battery, cables, installation, etc. Then again, fishing down here is very different than what you do up there. I fish mostly drifting with the current in big rivers so once I reach my fishing spot I don't need to paddle/pedal anymore until I finish the stretch and go up to the next. A lot of times the currents and wind will toss you against rocks, stumps trees with lots of branches or under very thick vegetation and believe me when that happens you'd wish you had as little stuff on your kayak as possible. But I imagine that up there fishing in lakes or in open inshore waters I'd really appreciate the mobility and extra range that a motor would provide so it's really a situational thing
That's the good thing of the industry evolving to where it is , is that theres a kayak for everyone. Whether it's a 4,000 loaded out kayak or a 1,000 kayak , theres not a wrong way as one has their reasons for their desired way. Tightlines.
About your TH-cam name being Less Talk More Fishing? I have a better one that goes like No Paddle More Fishing,,, That`s what you get with a hands free set up
Lol..I did purchase my kayak. It's a 120 PDL. However, I picked the hybird edition with the pedal drive. Only because they make a 46lb thrust trolling motor, that fits exactly where my PDL sits. The trolling motor weighs 19 lbs. But now my bixpy J2 rudder mount motor, is on it's way. I don't like not having PDL drive with me, incase something happens with the motor. So I say a small motor like the bixpy, and you always have the PDL. That's a great setup for me. Be safe..🤟🙏🎣
I have an insane motor setup, and invested about 2500 into the setup, and this year I'm buying pedal. Less hassle, less weight, unlimited power, no registration, drop and go, exercise. Might as well just get a boat if you go motorized. Thats what I do
When I was in the Coast Guard I met an Old Salty guy in a little 14' open wood fishing boat. He had oars and 15 HP two stroke outboard to propel his boat. I ask him about his boat and he said; "I first fell in love with boats and fishing when I was a young teenager. I saved up and bought a rowboat. I fished every weekend and some days after school. When I seen my first outboard motor I had to have one. But my row boat couldn't be powered easily. So I saved up and bought a small power boat and got an outboard. I spent nearly as much time working on that motor as I did running it. Soon I grew tired of working on that old outboard and got a bigger and better outboard motor and a bigger boat. I soon noticed that I was fishing less and my boat was sitting in the yard more. Then I got a family and they wanted to be able to go out with me fishing. so I got a bigger boat and a bigger motor. This boat sat in the back yard all but three or four time a year and I would walk down to water and remember going fishing and how great it was. So when I retired, I sold the big boat and bought a small boat that I could row. I'm old and can't row as well as I used to, so I must have a small outboard to get home. But I fish almost every weekend and some weekdays too. I never want to upgrade my boat ever again. I like boating and fishing too much to upgrade again." ...True story.
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Pedal kayak will not die. I have had electric trolling motor driven kayaks for many years, now I just bought a pedal kayak, and I'll use it a lot more , the reason been: 1. Pedal kayak does not need registration, it's not about a few bucks registration fee, it's about convenient. In my state most water body requires all motor boats been lunched at the dedicated ramp area with inspection, sit in long line waiting for inspection is really pain in the summer busy days. Pedal kayak basically can hand lunch anywhere, this is especially useful when you camp at water front camp site. 2. More and more water bodies especially those for providing drink waters for near by city no longer allow motor kayak, it is not because the motor is more powerful as you mentioned in the video, it's about contamination, imagine the kayak capsized, the battery (may be lead based or lithium based) can cause pollution of the water. 3. I usually fish on a lake almost all day, been in a small kayak just sitting there is not good for my body, it's even worse than I sit in my office. I need exercise. Pedaling kayak is perfect way to achieve both fishing and exercising. There are more reasons that I will use pedal more than use motor, these are 3 most important reason. Thanks! Really like your video.
As long as there are states that require all motors to be registered with the DMV (but not manual drive like pedal kayaks) Pedal kayaks will always have a place.
agreed same here. I may add an motor set up but it would be insane to just rely on the electric motor, i dont trust it for long distance. If something goes wrong you have no way to propel your kayak.
If states did not require you to title and register your kayak just for adding a small electric motor, I think you would see a lot more kayaks with motors
Yeah I just moved back to Ga after living in WA St and didn't need to register it there but In Ga you have to with a motor! Crazy it's not a gas powered engine or anything it doesn't get over 5mph so I don't understand why other than to get more money out of your pocket!!!!
I have a Bixpy on my Sea Eagle 393RL, I put it on speed 6/7 and paddle with it. No one knows I have a motor! It's none of the state's business as far as I'm concerned. These laws are antiquated, nonsensical and greedy, this is essentially an e-kayak like an e-bike... They just don't want people putting 6HP outboards on canoes for free. I do have this motor mounted in the skeg slot which is where the stealth comes in, you can't really get away with it in any other mounting config...
I have a Hobie Outback and love it, but being in my 70’s, my fishing range is limited. I just installed a Bixpy drive on the back and opened up new horizons. Max speed is 4.5 mph. To extend range I run at setting 5 out of 10, and get 2.9 mph. If I add a little easy peddling I go 4.0 mph. The drive is half the depth of the fins. Actually less depth than the rudder.
Adding even the smallest motor of any kind requires you to register with the DMV and put numbers and registration on the kayak. If you do not have the receipt from buying it new, or a prior registration, you will not be allowed to register it and will be fined by every cop who sees you. If you pedal it, you don't need any of that.
I live in CA bought my kayak used 5 years prior to me putting a trolling motor on it. No recipe, and I thought it was gonna be a nightmare registering it. It wasn't, less than 20 minutes in dmv, and registration was under 20 bucks.
Kayak Angler reports 2021 Hobie Mirage Pro Angler 12 is the second most sold fishing kayaks. Motors are a pain in the arsh! service your pedal drive and you'll never have problems.
@@LouisianaBlackwaterFlyFishing If I'm not in a hurry, it takes me about 2 minutes to put my battery in my yak and maybe ten seconds to hook up the battery. I spend more time loading my gear. The amount of time I save in the water is immeasurable. It also opens up water to me that I would never dream of fishing with a paddle or peddle-powered Kayak. Best under $200 investment you could possibly make for a kayak.
Why buy a motorized kayak when you can buy a boat? You have to register, taxes, insurance, for one person? Get a boat. Add in every year paying for the crap. And the crap you need for the motor. All the weight. Get a job boat for 400 and slap a motor on it. Take the motor off and use the ores.
Because a bigger boat: you need a trailer, you need insurance, you can just simply launch it anywhere etc, you can have an autopilot 120 and launch it anywhere and paddle it like a kayak if you want because it is a kayak. Register is cheap and easy, don’t worry soon even the regular paddle yak will have to be register lol
After paddling for years I went to go purchase a pedal kayak. When the person told me the price difference between the pedal and the motor and the motor was cheaper I went for that! I have come to love my motorized kayak I find it still easy to launch And gives me more access on the water.. Mine is transom mounted so I have the entire cockpit open! 🐟🎣👍🏼
Yeah so true. I have a side mounted motor on mine and it’s refreshing to have the energy left at the end of the day to clean up and cook your catch. 🤜🤛😎🍻 Cheers
@@AliexFolgueira if someone is disabled then I think boat tournies are more suitable for them. To me kayak tournment should be human powered, otherwise it's the same as a jon boat tourney, it just loses its kayak vibe.
Im sure a motor would be nice but Im ok with my pedal driven Native Slayer 10 that I got brand new for $1000. Also dont have to worry about charging any batteries or dealing with registering my yak for a motor.
I have found there are different types of kayakers (paddlers, peddlers, motorized) and many of those will not try nor want to try the other options. I think a lot of it depends on how and where they use their kayaks. So I don’t think any of those categories will ever die completely. One may be more popular at certain times (partly driven by the industry and once again uses). I will say for me if I were to motorize one it would still have the pedal drive. Motors break down, batteries die and I would hate to be stuck trying to only paddle larger fishing rigs back to the takeout. Plus I just like the functionality of the peddle drive overall and the control I get from being the motor. Haha I say do what works for you and your needs. Good video.
I was putting trolling motors on kayaks before they had pedals,,if there was pedal kayaks before 2003 I did know about it,,I can build my own trolling motor and motor mount for less than 300oo compared to 1000oo+ ,and it is a professional looking setup with cable steering, tilting motor, a kayak motor system is the way to go,,as far as I know I have the best setup their is for the money i have spent,,thanks for the video Alex
Next video I wanna cover some of the history of kayaks you know the evolution, if you don’t mind sending me a hit of yours via email afishingtv@gmail.com
I think having pedals and a motor is perfect as motor can get you to the spot and then the peddles help to fish around your spot….just watch Greg Blanchard as he’s the king of kayak tournaments on TH-cam
Pedal kayak is not so safe in choppy and windy conditions. With pedal kayak, the seat is higher and in choppy condition it is easy to roll. The paddle is not only for paddling but also to prevent you from rolling. There have been many accidents with pedal kayaks rolling over because of sudden change of wind or current, some deadly. Just be aware of the pros and cons of pedal kayaks before you go out there and buy one.
I have a Hobie PA 14 and got caught in a storm on a lake that rolled in when I was fishing it handled the swells and white caps no problem wasn’t worried a bit that PA was plowing thru those white caps and swells like a big old battleship lol
THE ELECTRIC KAYACK IF THE BATTERY DEPLETES YOU HAVE TO CARRY THE HUGE LOAD OF THAT USELESS BATTERY INTO THE KAYACK. I PREFFER THE FOOT PEDAL, THEY ARE LIGHTER AND THEY CAN GO FAR AWAY.
@@AliexFolgueira An I can go 100 miles on my foot setup. Anothet con of battery kayack is that you cannot carry it from a pond to another pond because weight about a ton.
@@AliexFolgueira AND WHAT ABOUT A BATTERY KATCHING FIRE? THESE LITHIUM BATTERIES CATCH A FIRE THAT CANNOT BE EXTENGUISHED WITH WATER. JUST IMAGINE TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE WITH THE BOAT BURNED, OR WORST THAT THE BOAT CATCH FIRE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WATER!
For me, the entire idea of a kayak is the minamalist, lightweight, small, close to nature aspects. As well as the exercise. The last thing I want to do is have a bunch of gadgets motors and batteries adding weight and complexity to it. If I want all that, I'd just buy a john boat.
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I think more kayaks going be like the shearwater removable drives with plugs go inside. Up to the person, because you have people like me that push there kayak batteries and drain them because they forget to charge it😂. It’s a b**** just paddle with kayak with fishing gear, batteries, graphs, trolling motor, other gear for long distance.
Pedal kayaks have some specific benefits: 1) exercise 2) you can use pedal drives in bodies of water where motors aren’t allowed 3) you can use pedal drives in tournaments where motors aren’t allowed 4) pedal drives have fewer moving parts to break 5) pedal drives don’t require hardly any maintenance 6) much easier to pull up a pedal drive than trim an engine in shallows, flats, oysters, etc. 7) pedal drives are stealthier 8) cost; your points didn’t make much sense to me because you’re talking about pedal + motor cost vs paddle + motor cost. 9) as you know, Hobie drives come completely out & there’s a cassette that goes in there. No hole. The bike style drives are much bigger, bulkier and in the way. 10) much lighter weight & easier transport/setup with a pedal drive vs motor
1- you can still paddle a motorized kayak and get a more complete exercise 2- two is true but I haven’t encountered a spot yet that don’t let me use motors 3- the tournaments that don’t allow motors are few and will be fewer soon 4- pedal drives break just like a trolling motor, the idea of zero maintenance is not really true. I have trolling motors I never serviced yet plenty of drives I had to fix or serviced or replace 5. /see 4 6- you know that there are so many motors setups for example the autopilot 120 is way easier to pull up than any any drive there is! So is the Bixpy in the shearwater..again not a valid point. I’ll cover 7-10 in the next comment
8 cost why would you pay $1000 more if in the end you gonna put an ipilot unit on it ? I think you should rewatch it get the 120 paddle only add i-Pilot instead of getting 120 pdl and add i-Pilot and never use the drive 9. Cassette does nothing really and who takes that fishing anyways no one, in the other hand a paddle kayak only won’t have that hole
@UCIrw3uW8CpJZ3m1WODz2gFw 1300 but why pay $1000 for something you won’t use ? Again there so many motors at different budgets and capabilities you get what works for you I think you shred the auto pilots
I don’t fish, but I kayak in the pacific for recreation. I like having redundant systems as a lot can happen out there. 3 forms of propulsion are better then two, which is better than one
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We just got our pedal kayaks in August and only used them for 2 months before winter. Everything is ice right now, and all I want to do is take my kayak out! It doesn't make a very good snow sled, though. 🤪
I agree. I bought a Grumman 17 ft canoe for $2,000 and use a 6 hp Thai longtail that cost me $584 in 2014. I never understood the point of a pedal kayak. For the money some people are putting into these pedal-yaks, then you just buy a used jest ski fir fishing.
I have to agree with you generally with this video! I never thought I'd say it, but I just started rigging my 2018 ATAK 120 to take my NK300 hp motor. I'm moving it from the Slayer Propel 13. I bought the ATAK 120 used a few years back as a backup paddle only kayak and only used it once. I loved the layout and comfortable seat, but realized that I wasn't going to paddle the distances that I cover in my pedal drive Slayer. I was unwilling to depend strictly on the NK300 and always had my propel drive as backup. Now I have the NK300 and the paddle becomes my backup once I rig up the ATAK. I hope to have it rigged soon and expect to check out how the NK300 pushes this kayak. I am really looking forward to the simplicity of my setup when I go to foot steering and have more room for all my stuff. I'll report on one of your videos the results of my speed test.
they'll never be dead. You fish a 2 or 3 day tourney 8+ hours a day on a river system or a grass lake, you use the motor to make your big runs and you pedal to stay positioned in the current or a paddle to go over thick grass. If you use your motor for everything for 8 hours, you gonna run the battery down. If you're camping or staying out the car, you have no way to charge the battery for day 2. You are forgetting something else....a lithium battery big enough to last full tourney day in the wind or current is $500 at least. Also as of right now, the best, most competitive kayak tournament series doesnt even allow motors during the tournament, only during practice. That tourney series has the most and best anglers, pro anglers, etc. because it is run very well; but word on the street is they are going to start allowing motors. A person with a motor has a huge advantage over someone that doesn't either cuz they cant afford it or whatever. Person with motor can make much longer runs without being tired when they get there. They can sit back and drink coffee while running to their area, while a pedaler or paddler runs a mile or two, they get there already worn out, sweaty, etc. And lastly, as for tournament anglers on kayaks-- a lot of us, myself included, will never switch from a pro angler 14. NO other kayak has enough horizontal rod storage where you can fit 12 rods in hull, beside you by doubling up the 6 rod holders. You can still get them in and out while on the water, you dont gotta pull open a nose and fight with them all inside the boat. When a tournament calls for potentially having that many rods, and you have to get in skinny water and up under trees and shit, you want the horizontal rod storage, you dont want to be fighting those rods up and down all day. That and the comfort and space for tackle, and stability on big water. A topwater 120 or a bonafide is super, super stable, but it doesnt have a deeper hull and bigger side walls like the hobie. The hobie Im fine with going out on champlain or a big lake with a lotta waves and some wind. I love my topwater, but it will not handle the waves and wind like the hobie, waves come crashing over the sides, I feel much more unsafe and like I'm going to flip.,
I mostly troll with my Outback, and slapped a Bixpy on it to extend range. I’ll usually go to pedals to troll, pop on the motor when i get a hit so i can reel in one fish while the gear on my second rod continues to fish. Absolutely love it. But man,….that iPilot,…that is the future.
Pedal drive kayaks ARE NOT DEAD, just because of a simple fact....price! Not everyone want to spend outrageous prices for motorized kayaks!.As soon as you have a motor on a kayak it now becomes a boat!,and depending on what state you live in, now you have to register it as a boat
My thoughts as you know aliex, it's to each their own.. But if you want to reach bigger water and get to a spot faster you'll go to motor. I see pdl as a recreational kayak vs fishing. I know many like the exercise and I've thought about pdl... but then on the lake like hearsay 10mph wind, with white caps, and boats causing so much wake it was not fun.. Can't imagine doing that in a pdl. My kayak 106mk did fine.
I went from a regular kayak to a Hobie outback to a PA 14’ to a Skanu with tiller. For me, at this point, the Skanu beats all. The Skanu is significantly cheaper than a new PA and will get you to your destination much faster, not to mention that it will also get you back to land much quicker when the weather turns, which happens pretty regularly here in FL.
I have a kayak that has been discontinued and I think it's because it's slow to paddle but it's also one of the most stable kayaks ever made. It's called the Freedom Hawk Pathfinder and I would love you to try to flip one, it has pontoons that you connect that makes it great for a outboard. It's as stable as a floating dock. Please make a video flipping one.
I agree with everything you said all they way up until you got mad about motors in turnys. I would be mad about this one. I wouldn’t want everyone utilizing a motor for a turny. Not everyone can afford a motor or drive set up. I don’t think they loose money, I think they retain money by not allowing. Poor guy who just wants a shot.
You can have a nice motorized kayak for $250 extra poor guy can even the odds now! He can have manual 360 for $260 and fight the $10,000 hobie 360 setup
i put a 40lb $150 Minn Kota on my $300 canoe, battery was $170 i think. i can go 10 miles with 3 people, lock the steering and just chill, it's the best.
It doesn't mean they are dead it means pedal kayaks are going to become a less hot item and the supply will only increase and the price will drop until people who maybe don't have 2k to drop on one can afford it
Can’t wait to see your “why motor kayaks are dead: Jon Boats” video inna couple years LOL I prefer my paddle boat. Otherwise it doesn’t feel like a kayak to me and then what’s the point of this niche?
I think the point of the niche is just being able to launch nearly anywhere, and go places a big boat can't go. What power you use to get to those places is irrelevant to me.
Pedal kayaks are not dead. Yes, I prefer my motor guide xi3, and I don’t even use my pedal kayak anymore, but many tournaments won’t allow them. But, your points are spot on.
Motorizing kayaks is cheaper. If you can work with your hands you can modify almost any kayak to take at least a trolling motor. From what I've noticed watching so many videos of people modding their yaks spend a minimum of somewhere around $150 to $200 additional to the price of their yaks maybe even less if they already have a trolling motor and some recycled building materials. Hell look at that pelican catch power you reviewed... $200 Walmart trip has that thing up and running and it's still way cheaper than the high end Hobies
Good exercise.. Inshore marsh fishing in a foot of water or less is not motor friendly. I like my hobie outback for that. I can get 4 mph with it on calm day and I am 65!! Do have a Texas Power Paddle Marlin (motor in rudder) to help get me back after long paddle in Texas heat.
Good points here Aliex! I'd add that modularity on being able to switch from pedalmotorized depending on the trip would be a case for some folks. Some places (especially out here in the west) have begun to restrict motorized depending on the season, water level, etc.
I generally agree. I have three kayaks (all paddle no peddle). I live in Iowa after moving back from Texas (I know). An Ocean Kayak BG 2 ($899) a Topwater 106 ($699) and a Topwater 120 ($899) all on sale as 2nds from Sierra Trading Post. I fish a lot of rivers. Any pedal would be constantly hitting the river bottom. Also, Kayaks under 13 feet don’t need to be registered, unless you put a motor on them. So, I’m inclined to put a motor on one for lake fishing. I can’t see myself getting a pedal. I know it would be nice to have my hands free at times, but I use an anchor trolley to fish an area and move on.
While I agree with your premise…unfortunately… electric motors BREAK DOWN!!! and having the pedal drive … gets you back to the launch ramp… been there!!! paddling this bigger … heavier… kayaks is prehistoric…I like the confidence of have THREE methods of powering my kayaks… MOTORS R O C K!!!
Have never been on a motorized kayak. No that's not because I don't think they're cool. And I do understand you can cover more water easier. But a paddle or pedal kayak, is light enough to wear something goes wrong you can still manage! At least in most cases! Even when I had my Dorado, I could paddle it even if I couldn't pedal it. You add motors and batteries, now you might as well just have a Jon boat! Because you're not saving on the weight, so why not just have more room? That's just my opinion!
Bixpy with battery weights under 9 pounds, torqeedo with huge battery weights less than 15# your overdrive scaled in at least 25 pounds, there a motor that can go faster than you for a longer time and weights 10 pounds less….
I agree with you Aliex. Makes more sense and economical to upgrade a paddle kayak. Maybe for people that don’t fish they may still like the pedal kayaks, but for avid anglers you need precise trolling motors.
I disagree. Cost is the main thing at least rigging one like he wants too. Then you have weight and inability to go places a normal kayak can go (small rivers/creeks). They both have their niche markets in the fishing world
Ok…it will be funny seeing the “avid angler” with a dead battery on the shoreline as the “non avid” angler passes him by with his measly little paddle yak and continues to catch fish
Exactly! Why would you want a pedal instead of motor if you just want to get to your fishing spot? I rigged a trolling motor to my cheapie Lifetime kayak to get back up rivers with current instead of paddling. If I was just going out to fish, I'd go with the motors of course.
Yeah, that sums it up for me as well. My Hobie gives me the option to pull out the mirage drive and drop a motor down in there and someday I will when the budget allows, but I absolutely love the pedal drive. Pedal will be my goto when out with the family or girlfriend and we are just touring a lake, spot fishing, taking our time. But the mornings when I'm by myself and want to pick up the morning bite at my favorite waypoints, get me there faster :-)
Oh the old and almost dead thinking they know anything about the younger generation I'm a roof tiler have been since 17 I guarantee I work harder then you ever have you old fuck only thing you know about is metamucil so stick your lane old man
Dude.....I am old school. Only paddle. I love the idea of spending 2-4 hrs....taking my time. I may get peddle drive, and vibe, but I am getting a bit exercise, enjoy it much. Pescador sport!
@@johnbaker4847 Why would anybody with real kayaks would like to use cheap ass stuffs in their videos? Especially when you are trying to make a living doing TH-cam? At least i feel i`m getting an honest opinion with Aliex. Life is about starting small and upgrade anyway you can while you`re at it.
I'm in my late seventies. I pedal for exercise. I catch more fish trolling from my Outback than I ever did paddling and casting. Motors will not replace pedals until solar panels mounted onboard can recharge them fast enough to keep them running all day. If that happens, the only reason I might buy a motor is the maintenance of the outdrive is not something you can predict. It's hard to tell if bearings or cogs in the pedal drive are wearing until you are on the water and need them. I love the Outback's stability. If a motor compromised the VCG it would be a game killer for me.
@@jimfromm3981 Bixpy with the adapter should be around $1400 check this video out on the outback th-cam.com/video/L6vz0Ig86XM/w-d-xo.html I have several Bixpy outback videos you can also use the mirage drive adapter
@@AliexFolgueira I do have a car! But i have to drive 40 miles each way to work, and about 1/2 of that is through war zone, if you catch my drift. I cycle about 200-300 miles a week for training. But I am not hating on anyone....it is what it is, and thats all it is.
I can understand if you never leave your state to fish or visit one other state, but I regularly fish 3 states and rather than registering it in every state I'll use the xi3 at home and use the pedal drive for out of state traveling. Yearly non resident fishing licenses can add up pretty quick, then adding multiple boat registration fees for a kayak on top of it? I'll pass, saves me more money for gas and other fishing crap... In about 6 years when I'm 100% vested with my union's pension I plan on quitting and doing a cross country vacation in my teardrop trailer. My xi3 will most likely stay home and I'll just be using my pedal drive. Just makes more sense to me, no point in paying to register in a state for a year when your only going to be there a week or two... Although I will admit that having a kayak with almost every state registration sticker going down the side would be an pretty cool, expensive but cool. Maybe if my fishing bait didn't say "not for human consumption" on it I could afford it... 🤪
They’re only dead for lazy people. They are still awesome for long camp trips, places where motors aren’t allowed and definitely never have to worry about range anxiety. Peddle kayaks rock!
They aren't dead. I just bought one. If I'm buying a $5k motor kayak or a $2k motor for my kayak, I'm buying a boat. The PDL drive is not hard to transport and is not heavy if one is carrying it right. Also keeps you in shape so you don't start looking like the people in WALL E.
motors maybe be the new trend and your first option but having a pedal drive is a good 2nd option/backup incase your motor has a issue out on the lake because no one really wants to paddle a load kayak.
I have caught 12 good size Stripers this year from 19-26 inch size on Old Town PDL 120 . Pedal drive system is good work out your leg s and I Also ride road bike 🚴♀️ 600 miles already this year. So if your fit stick with pedal or peddle kayak s . If you’re 60 and older yeah go with motor kayak or motor boat
Have been kayak fishing last three years have a sea shots 130 with a pole anchor and receiver for $600 I just bought a 1542 with a trailer and 15hp 2020 for $3200 doesn’t make sense for the most part for the price but if it’s what you love then I get it.
Thing is, I went to the west marine store and picked up a 10 ft dinghy that weighs 100lbs for 600$. Its wider, more stable, solid and has a transom. Why would I get a kayak when that boat is built for fishing and ultra outfit ready? I have a couple of drop stitch yaks I love for shallows and fun paddling but, for fishing the dinghy is undefeated. Especially at 600$ brand new.
Ehhh, I kayak for the exercise and minimalism. I'm buying a boat if I ever consider dropping a trolling motor in my hobie, but I see your point. I get what you're saying. Lot of good points. Everyone has a preference.
That's why we have so many options, i love to take a little tiny kayak and one rod and go fishing but i did that one time on a bridge with crazy moving current, i titled the video "I'm never doing this again " or something like that lol a kayak with a gps trolling motor excels there a simple kayak no
I have a paddle kayak. I Don’t foresee ever getting a pedal drive. I primarily fish the flats. I literally haul my yak across the yard and launch. I also do kayak races. So I’m constantly working on my stamina and speed. Which has increased my range for fishing.
@@AliexFolgueira I thought about getting a bixby in the past. Pretty cool setup. I fished a tournament. Quite a few competitors drives went out. On the return to the landing.
Keep it simple is how I kayak. Moter on a kayak what the hell makes no sense to me buy a Jon boat if you need a moter .I boughta Old Town PDL to keep in shape in my senior years. This year I have lowered my blood pressure and overcame bladder cancer. Keep on rocking
I have had three back surgeries and I am glad they don’t allow motors, it keeps it fair for the people that can’t afford to spend that much money on a kayak.
What are you talking about ? Seriously a pedal kayak is more money than a motorized setup !!! Motors even the odds dude, hands free fishing for under $400
@@Eric19781 that makes zero sense, can I paddle a Jon boat ? Can you car top it on your Corolla? Can a $150 trolling motor propel it at 3.5 mph ??? Tell me again why?
Aliex the 74% probably all have motor's lol. Anytime I go to a shop, that 30lb thrust, Minn-kota is always limited, or sold out. That's the 1st DIY People do. My kayak is a 120 PDL, Hybird edition, I did recieve my drive with my boat. But they make a 46lb thrust trolling motor, that weighs 20 lbs, that drops in where my PDL would sit, just like how the Native mount there drives. Plus I now have the Bixpy, with the Gravity rudder kit. So both are on my kayak, but I'll use the bixpy to get from spot to spot, and then troll around or pedal around. It's usually one or the other, but not together. A I dio like to paddle around super skinny water. Awsome video bro, be safe..🤟🙏🎣
@@AliexFolgueira Lots of research I did, with a budget, but to have what's needed for me on my kayak. A $1,500.00 kayak, turns into a atleast 7,000.00 kayak when you're finished. But I'll take it over a bass or flats boat anyday. In a few year's, I'd like to add another vessel, probably the jonny bass boats 100, or the Pelican catch pwr 100. Just to throw the 2.5 Suzuki on and go. But I'll never sell my kayak, it's to sentimental now, saving, addons, research, etc. Pretty soon I think everything will be motorized. That's why you can add that bixpy to anything, lol..All kayak anglers know it's coming. 🙏🎣🤟
I have a paddle fishing kayak and have been looking at the pedal drive for convenience and easier to troll. Weight is a killer for me and my 15'x25" fiberglass sit on top is lighter than any of the pedal boats. If I need a motor I have a 12' Portabote with a 6 hp engine. It folds for transport and weighs less than most Hobies. By the way I am 82 and I cruise my kayak at 3.5-4 mph depending on conditions.
This is why I'm hoping some kayak series will ban use of motors. To me, if you want a motor driven vessel, just buy a boat. I got into kayak fishing for the added challenge. Limited area, need to plan better and make smarter decsions.
@@AliexFolgueira Absolutely, I have done some updates since this video most notable was I ditched the wireless remote and now have a sweet wired remote mounted next to the seat with a rotary throttle 👍😎 th-cam.com/video/D2XbAIhwKmE/w-d-xo.html
I think Pedal and Motor combo is a safe bet especially if you fish alone. If that motor dies and you have to paddle back in rough water in a heavy kayak you’ll be stressing.
One must consider where you live. In SC, if you put a trolling motor or anything else other than a manual operation you then have to register your kayak which of course includes the fees incurred with the registration. This kinda undermines the purpose of a kayak in the first place. You know, going out to enjoy wide open spaces without the need to buy a $40,000 Bass boat with all the bells and whistles which most working class Americans cannot afford anyway.
$25 dollar a year ? Come on it is not a big deal, and the purpose of a kayak is not NOT TO REGISTER in some place you have to register the kayak regardless of how it is propel
You nailed it man! I have a FeelFree Lure 11.5 v2 and to purchase the pedal system for it is $1000, but what im doing is picking up a $100 minn kota, a battery and a yakgadget pod mount and ill be motorized for about $380 total. So why would i waste the money on a pedal system? Great video man and couldn't agree more!
I am 74 and can load my Hobie compass in the back of my pick up by myself easily. Loading a 140lb kayak with a trolling motor and battery would be a pain in the ass if I could do it.
I have an auto pulot 136 and i absolutely love it,i fish 98% of the time when im out fishing i never use a paddle, never..i have other friends fishing with me and there constantly using paddles or peddling when im hands free. Motors are the way to go
Wilderness systems paddle for about 9 years - then old town predator for the past 6 - Fish salt and fresh - peddle will never be dead - I can hook up trolling motor when needed for long hauls - most of the time, no need, I like the control on ponds and lakes and the ability to peddle backwards instantly - great exercise too! I get exercise instead of sitting all day on my fat ass. Motor systems are great too - Peddle will never die I have a small paddle yak too for tight spots and a quick toss in the back of the truck.
I actually sold my pedal yak and downgraded to a paddle yak because most of the waters i fish are shallow. found myself paddling 50% of the time due to weeds and rocks.. the lawn chair is the most essential part to any fishing yak IMO.
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Boy the world has turned into lazy, pampered, spoilt, pussies
For those of us who prefer minimalism. 1 rod, 1 little tackle box with 2 or 3 lures, no trailers no cables no batteries no DIY, just toss my kayak inside the van and be in the water in 5 minutes. Paddle and pedal will always be the choice 😎
Sounds like paddle only will be a more minimalistic approach 😛
@@AliexFolgueira yeah but I'm willing to sacrifice a bit of the minimalism for the extra range and hands free fishing that the pedal allows you to have. With a motor comes a lot of extra weight, battery, cables, installation, etc.
Then again, fishing down here is very different than what you do up there. I fish mostly drifting with the current in big rivers so once I reach my fishing spot I don't need to paddle/pedal anymore until I finish the stretch and go up to the next. A lot of times the currents and wind will toss you against rocks, stumps trees with lots of branches or under very thick vegetation and believe me when that happens you'd wish you had as little stuff on your kayak as possible. But I imagine that up there fishing in lakes or in open inshore waters I'd really appreciate the mobility and extra range that a motor would provide so it's really a situational thing
That's the good thing of the industry evolving to where it is , is that theres a kayak for everyone. Whether it's a 4,000 loaded out kayak or a 1,000 kayak , theres not a wrong way as one has their reasons for their desired way. Tightlines.
About your TH-cam name being Less Talk More Fishing? I have a better one that goes like No Paddle More Fishing,,, That`s what you get with a hands free set up
True minimalism is catfish noodling. All you need is guts and a beer.
I like the exercise, especially after rotting away at a desk job all week long
Nice
Right…….THE ONLY EXERCISE YOU GET………..SAD
Lol..I did purchase my kayak. It's a 120 PDL. However, I picked the hybird edition with the pedal drive. Only because they make a 46lb thrust trolling motor, that fits exactly where my PDL sits. The trolling motor weighs 19 lbs. But now my bixpy J2 rudder mount motor, is on it's way. I don't like not having PDL drive with me, incase something happens with the motor. So I say a small motor like the bixpy, and you always have the PDL. That's a great setup for me. Be safe..🤟🙏🎣
I have an insane motor setup, and invested about 2500 into the setup, and this year I'm buying pedal. Less hassle, less weight, unlimited power, no registration, drop and go, exercise. Might as well just get a boat if you go motorized. Thats what I do
If something happens to your motor or electronics, you can still pedal back.
When I was in the Coast Guard I met an Old Salty guy in a little 14' open wood fishing boat. He had oars and 15 HP two stroke outboard to propel his boat. I ask him about his boat and he said; "I first fell in love with boats and fishing when I was a young teenager. I saved up and bought a rowboat. I fished every weekend and some days after school. When I seen my first outboard motor I had to have one. But my row boat couldn't be powered easily. So I saved up and bought a small power boat and got an outboard. I spent nearly as much time working on that motor as I did running it. Soon I grew tired of working on that old outboard and got a bigger and better outboard motor and a bigger boat. I soon noticed that I was fishing less and my boat was sitting in the yard more. Then I got a family and they wanted to be able to go out with me fishing. so I got a bigger boat and a bigger motor. This boat sat in the back yard all but three or four time a year and I would walk down to water and remember going fishing and how great it was. So when I retired, I sold the big boat and bought a small boat that I could row. I'm old and can't row as well as I used to, so I must have a small outboard to get home. But I fish almost every weekend and some weekdays too. I never want to upgrade my boat ever again. I like boating and fishing too much to upgrade again." ...True story.
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This sounds a bit like me❤
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Motors require registration in some states. That a cost that has to be paid yearly where a pedal drive is free all the time.
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Ok you made my point in the last minute of the video. There you go, you got your watch time and ad revenue.
Pedal kayak will not die. I have had electric trolling motor driven kayaks for many years, now I just bought a pedal kayak, and I'll use it a lot more , the reason been: 1. Pedal kayak does not need registration, it's not about a few bucks registration fee, it's about convenient. In my state most water body requires all motor boats been lunched at the dedicated ramp area with inspection, sit in long line waiting for inspection is really pain in the summer busy days. Pedal kayak basically can hand lunch anywhere, this is especially useful when you camp at water front camp site. 2. More and more water bodies especially those for providing drink waters for near by city no longer allow motor kayak, it is not because the motor is more powerful as you mentioned in the video, it's about contamination, imagine the kayak capsized, the battery (may be lead based or lithium based) can cause pollution of the water. 3. I usually fish on a lake almost all day, been in a small kayak just sitting there is not good for my body, it's even worse than I sit in my office. I need exercise. Pedaling kayak is perfect way to achieve both fishing and exercising. There are more reasons that I will use pedal more than use motor, these are 3 most important reason. Thanks! Really like your video.
As long as there are states that require all motors to be registered with the DMV (but not manual drive like pedal kayaks) Pedal kayaks will always have a place.
I’m 66 and hope to never give up my heart healthy peddle yak. It is my daily commitment to combine fishing and exercise
That’s where it is at, you found something that works for you keep it up
The pedals are easy to operate and it’s great exercise, so I’m sticking with the pedals.
agreed same here. I may add an motor set up but it would be insane to just rely on the electric motor, i dont trust it for long distance. If something goes wrong you have no way to propel your kayak.
This is the only thing that keeps me from getting something like an auto pilot. I want both pedals and trolling motor just in case. @@jayknight139
@@joanburbank3667 fun workout
If states did not require you to title and register your kayak just for adding a small electric motor, I think you would see a lot more kayaks with motors
Yup
Yeah I just moved back to Ga after living in WA St and didn't need to register it there but In Ga you have to with a motor! Crazy it's not a gas powered engine or anything it doesn't get over 5mph so I don't understand why other than to get more money out of your pocket!!!!
I have a Bixpy on my Sea Eagle 393RL, I put it on speed 6/7 and paddle with it. No one knows I have a motor! It's none of the state's business as far as I'm concerned. These laws are antiquated, nonsensical and greedy, this is essentially an e-kayak like an e-bike... They just don't want people putting 6HP outboards on canoes for free. I do have this motor mounted in the skeg slot which is where the stealth comes in, you can't really get away with it in any other mounting config...
I hear it can be a complete pain especially if u buy it used
True
I have a Hobie Outback and love it, but being in my 70’s, my fishing range is limited. I just installed a Bixpy drive on the back and opened up new horizons. Max speed is 4.5 mph. To extend range I run at setting 5 out of 10, and get 2.9 mph. If I add a little easy peddling I go 4.0 mph. The drive is half the depth of the fins. Actually less depth than the rudder.
Boom! I’m happy to see that people see the true meaning of the video
Adding even the smallest motor of any kind requires you to register with the DMV and put numbers and registration on the kayak. If you do not have the receipt from buying it new, or a prior registration, you will not be allowed to register it and will be fined by every cop who sees you. If you pedal it, you don't need any of that.
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I live in CA bought my kayak used 5 years prior to me putting a trolling motor on it. No recipe, and I thought it was gonna be a nightmare registering it. It wasn't, less than 20 minutes in dmv, and registration was under 20 bucks.
Absolutely, the number one reason not to mess with motors in my state
Kayak Angler reports 2021 Hobie Mirage Pro Angler 12 is the second most sold fishing kayaks. Motors are a pain in the arsh! service your pedal drive and you'll never have problems.
How is an electric trolling motor a pain in the ass?
@@cryptofan6255 batteries, chargers, cables, it's not rocket science
@@LouisianaBlackwaterFlyFishing If I'm not in a hurry, it takes me about 2 minutes to put my battery in my yak and maybe ten seconds to hook up the battery. I spend more time loading my gear. The amount of time I save in the water is immeasurable. It also opens up water to me that I would never dream of fishing with a paddle or peddle-powered Kayak. Best under $200 investment you could possibly make for a kayak.
@@cryptofan6255 Well I have friends that feel the same way you do, and thats cool. Happy fishing
You have to get your Kayak licensed and pay tax every year if you motorize...screw that! The government gets enough from me already.
Why buy a motorized kayak when you can buy a boat? You have to register, taxes, insurance, for one person? Get a boat. Add in every year paying for the crap. And the crap you need for the motor. All the weight. Get a job boat for 400 and slap a motor on it. Take the motor off and use the ores.
Because a bigger boat: you need a trailer, you need insurance, you can just simply launch it anywhere etc, you can have an autopilot 120 and launch it anywhere and paddle it like a kayak if you want because it is a kayak. Register is cheap and easy, don’t worry soon even the regular paddle yak will have to be register lol
After paddling for years I went to go purchase a pedal kayak. When the person told me the price difference between the pedal and the motor and the motor was cheaper I went for that! I have come to love my motorized kayak I find it still easy to launch And gives me more access on the water.. Mine is transom mounted so I have the entire cockpit open! 🐟🎣👍🏼
So you know exactly what I was talking about 😀 happy to know I’m not alone
That's right
Exactly……….wake up America and join the 21st Century.
Yeah so true. I have a side mounted motor on mine and it’s refreshing to have the energy left at the end of the day to clean up and cook your catch. 🤜🤛😎🍻 Cheers
@@GGGFatherSonHolySpirit Yess
Tournment should not allow motors, because who ever can afford the biggest battery and motor have a huge adventage
Not really plus have to look at the tournament setups? They got $8000 on a boat and that’s doesn’t include the motor lol
@@AliexFolgueira if someone is disabled then I think boat tournies are more suitable for them. To me kayak tournment should be human powered, otherwise it's the same as a jon boat tourney, it just loses its kayak vibe.
Im sure a motor would be nice but Im ok with my pedal driven Native Slayer 10 that I got brand new for $1000. Also dont have to worry about charging any batteries or dealing with registering my yak for a motor.
Sweet damn deal! Congratulations
Registration is not a big deal in most states in Wisc its 22 bucks for 3 years and it literally takes a second to plug in a charger.
@@BassManStrikes you may as well just get you a jonboat if you are going to do all that
@@cappyjpadgett no room for something like that right now 👍🤣
I have found there are different types of kayakers (paddlers, peddlers, motorized) and many of those will not try nor want to try the other options. I think a lot of it depends on how and where they use their kayaks. So I don’t think any of those categories will ever die completely. One may be more popular at certain times (partly driven by the industry and once again uses). I will say for me if I were to motorize one it would still have the pedal drive. Motors break down, batteries die and I would hate to be stuck trying to only paddle larger fishing rigs back to the takeout. Plus I just like the functionality of the peddle drive overall and the control I get from being the motor. Haha I say do what works for you and your needs. Good video.
you are spot on! thanks for the thoughtful comment!
You’re rocking it Aliex. Amazing 32,000 subscribers. Keep being you. Well done brother.
Thanks brother, and closing in on 14m views
You rock Andy!!!
I was putting trolling motors on kayaks before they had pedals,,if there was pedal kayaks before 2003 I did know about it,,I can build my own trolling motor and motor mount for less than 300oo compared to 1000oo+ ,and it is a professional looking setup with cable steering, tilting motor, a kayak motor system is the way to go,,as far as I know I have the best setup their is for the money i have spent,,thanks for the video Alex
Next video I wanna cover some of the history of kayaks you know the evolution, if you don’t mind sending me a hit of yours via email afishingtv@gmail.com
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I think having pedals and a motor is perfect as motor can get you to the spot and then the peddles help to fish around your spot….just watch Greg Blanchard as he’s the king of kayak tournaments on TH-cam
Pedal kayak is not so safe in choppy and windy conditions. With pedal kayak, the seat is higher and in choppy condition it is easy to roll. The paddle is not only for paddling but also to prevent you from rolling. There have been many accidents with pedal kayaks rolling over because of sudden change of wind or current, some deadly. Just be aware of the pros and cons of pedal kayaks before you go out there and buy one.
I have a Hobie PA 14 and got caught in a storm on a lake that rolled in when I was fishing it handled the swells and white caps no problem wasn’t worried a bit that PA was plowing thru those white caps and swells like a big old battleship lol
Your totally making sense bro! Those light weight batteries are the bomb. Happy motoring!
Happy motoring 😎😌
THE ELECTRIC KAYACK IF THE BATTERY DEPLETES YOU HAVE TO CARRY THE HUGE LOAD OF THAT USELESS BATTERY INTO THE KAYACK.
I PREFFER THE FOOT PEDAL, THEY ARE LIGHTER AND THEY CAN GO FAR AWAY.
Ohh pls I can go 40 miles on my battery setup, you can't pedal for 10
@@AliexFolgueira An I can go 100 miles on my foot setup.
Anothet con of battery kayack is that you cannot carry it from a pond to another pond because weight about a ton.
@helenodetroyo7035 Wrong again my battery weights under 30#
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AND WHAT ABOUT A BATTERY KATCHING FIRE?
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JUST IMAGINE TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE WITH THE BOAT BURNED, OR WORST THAT THE BOAT CATCH FIRE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WATER!
@helenodetroyo7035 but the phone in your pocket has a lithium battery, arent you worry about it?
For me, the entire idea of a kayak is the minamalist, lightweight, small, close to nature aspects. As well as the exercise. The last thing I want to do is have a bunch of gadgets motors and batteries adding weight and complexity to it. If I want all that, I'd just buy a john boat.
That’s the beauty of kayaks you can have it your way, paddle pedal or power or all
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Thats explains it 🤣🤣🤣
I think more kayaks going be like the shearwater removable drives with plugs go inside. Up to the person, because you have people like me that push there kayak batteries and drain them because they forget to charge it😂. It’s a b**** just paddle with kayak with fishing gear, batteries, graphs, trolling motor, other gear for long distance.
You need a burger then rethink peddling. Motor kayaks are kind of like those electric driving shopping carts at Walmart. I’ll push my cart.
@@martins.7175 lol 😂
Pedal kayaks have some specific benefits:
1) exercise
2) you can use pedal drives in bodies of water where motors aren’t allowed
3) you can use pedal drives in tournaments where motors aren’t allowed
4) pedal drives have fewer moving parts to break
5) pedal drives don’t require hardly any maintenance
6) much easier to pull up a pedal drive than trim an engine in shallows, flats, oysters, etc.
7) pedal drives are stealthier
8) cost; your points didn’t make much sense to me because you’re talking about pedal + motor cost vs paddle + motor cost.
9) as you know, Hobie drives come completely out & there’s a cassette that goes in there. No hole. The bike style drives are much bigger, bulkier and in the way.
10) much lighter weight & easier transport/setup with a pedal drive vs motor
1- you can still paddle a motorized kayak and get a more complete exercise
2- two is true but I haven’t encountered a spot yet that don’t let me use motors
3- the tournaments that don’t allow motors are few and will be fewer soon
4- pedal drives break just like a trolling motor, the idea of zero maintenance is not really true. I have trolling motors I never serviced yet plenty of drives I had to fix or serviced or replace
5. /see 4
6- you know that there are so many motors setups for example the autopilot 120 is way easier to pull up than any any drive there is! So is the Bixpy in the shearwater..again not a valid point. I’ll cover 7-10 in the next comment
8 cost why would you pay $1000 more if in the end you gonna put an ipilot unit on it ? I think you should rewatch it get the 120 paddle only add i-Pilot instead of getting 120 pdl and add i-Pilot and never use the drive
9. Cassette does nothing really and who takes that fishing anyways no one, in the other hand a paddle kayak only won’t have that hole
10 is is not true, Bixpy weights about the same as the hobie drive for examples
Nope i looked it up. Bixpy weighs 11 lbs plus a 7 lb battery. Hobie Mirage drive weighs under 8 lbs. Hobie 360 drive weighs 9.5 lbs.
@UCIrw3uW8CpJZ3m1WODz2gFw 1300 but why pay $1000 for something you won’t use ? Again there so many motors at different budgets and capabilities you get what works for you I think you shred the auto pilots
Sticking with pedal!
I think old town should send you an autopilot! Damn I should have asked them before COVID you would be the perfect fit
@@AliexFolgueira lol! I can't imagine how many kayaks you have in your garage!
I don’t fish, but I kayak in the pacific for recreation. I like having redundant systems as a lot can happen out there. 3 forms of propulsion are better then two, which is better than one
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Hey Aliex, what kayak and motor combo you recommend? Thx
You crazy!! I am crying because it is winter and I can't get out in my pedal kayak for 4 months!
We just got our pedal kayaks in August and only used them for 2 months before winter. Everything is ice right now, and all I want to do is take my kayak out! It doesn't make a very good snow sled, though. 🤪
I agree. I bought a Grumman 17 ft canoe for $2,000 and use a 6 hp Thai longtail that cost me $584 in 2014. I never understood the point of a pedal kayak. For the money some people are putting into these pedal-yaks, then you just buy a used jest ski fir fishing.
Some places still don’t allow motors, I find myself using a motorized kayak more and more
I have to agree with you generally with this video! I never thought I'd say it, but I just started rigging my 2018 ATAK 120 to take my NK300 hp motor. I'm moving it from the Slayer Propel 13. I bought the ATAK 120 used a few years back as a backup paddle only kayak and only used it once. I loved the layout and comfortable seat, but realized that I wasn't going to paddle the distances that I cover in my pedal drive Slayer. I was unwilling to depend strictly on the NK300 and always had my propel drive as backup. Now I have the NK300 and the paddle becomes my backup once I rig up the ATAK. I hope to have it rigged soon and expect to check out how the NK300 pushes this kayak. I am really looking forward to the simplicity of my setup when I go to foot steering and have more room for all my stuff. I'll report on one of your videos the results of my speed test.
they'll never be dead. You fish a 2 or 3 day tourney 8+ hours a day on a river system or a grass lake, you use the motor to make your big runs and you pedal to stay positioned in the current or a paddle to go over thick grass. If you use your motor for everything for 8 hours, you gonna run the battery down. If you're camping or staying out the car, you have no way to charge the battery for day 2. You are forgetting something else....a lithium battery big enough to last full tourney day in the wind or current is $500 at least. Also as of right now, the best, most competitive kayak tournament series doesnt even allow motors during the tournament, only during practice. That tourney series has the most and best anglers, pro anglers, etc. because it is run very well; but word on the street is they are going to start allowing motors. A person with a motor has a huge advantage over someone that doesn't either cuz they cant afford it or whatever. Person with motor can make much longer runs without being tired when they get there. They can sit back and drink coffee while running to their area, while a pedaler or paddler runs a mile or two, they get there already worn out, sweaty, etc. And lastly, as for tournament anglers on kayaks-- a lot of us, myself included, will never switch from a pro angler 14. NO other kayak has enough horizontal rod storage where you can fit 12 rods in hull, beside you by doubling up the 6 rod holders. You can still get them in and out while on the water, you dont gotta pull open a nose and fight with them all inside the boat. When a tournament calls for potentially having that many rods, and you have to get in skinny water and up under trees and shit, you want the horizontal rod storage, you dont want to be fighting those rods up and down all day. That and the comfort and space for tackle, and stability on big water. A topwater 120 or a bonafide is super, super stable, but it doesnt have a deeper hull and bigger side walls like the hobie. The hobie Im fine with going out on champlain or a big lake with a lotta waves and some wind. I love my topwater, but it will not handle the waves and wind like the hobie, waves come crashing over the sides, I feel much more unsafe and like I'm going to flip.,
My 106mk eats white caps like they are nothing. I have given hobies away. Old town all day. #hobiekiller
I mostly troll with my Outback, and slapped a Bixpy on it to extend range. I’ll usually go to pedals to troll, pop on the motor when i get a hit so i can reel in one fish while the gear on my second rod continues to fish. Absolutely love it. But man,….that iPilot,…that is the future.
Pedal drive kayaks ARE NOT DEAD, just because of a simple fact....price! Not everyone want to spend outrageous prices for motorized kayaks!.As soon as you have a motor on a kayak it now becomes a boat!,and depending on what state you live in, now you have to register it as a boat
You have a manual 360 motor for like $250…
My thoughts as you know aliex, it's to each their own.. But if you want to reach bigger water and get to a spot faster you'll go to motor. I see pdl as a recreational kayak vs fishing. I know many like the exercise and I've thought about pdl... but then on the lake like hearsay 10mph wind, with white caps, and boats causing so much wake it was not fun.. Can't imagine doing that in a pdl. My kayak 106mk did fine.
Can't edit but I meant yesterday not hearsay
To each their own, I do just fine on 10-15mph wind with a pdl drive. That’s why I love the pdl drive so much, it’s so versatile.
Definitely trolling motor for me. Love the fact that I can go miles saving the energy for fishing.
Yup 100%
You get it!
I went from a regular kayak to a Hobie outback to a PA 14’ to a Skanu with tiller.
For me, at this point, the Skanu beats all.
The Skanu is significantly cheaper than a new PA and will get you to your destination much faster, not to mention that it will also get you back to land much quicker when the weather turns, which happens pretty regularly here in FL.
Sounds like you want a boat and not a kayak
I have a kayak that has been discontinued and I think it's because it's slow to paddle but it's also one of the most stable kayaks ever made. It's called the Freedom Hawk Pathfinder and I would love you to try to flip one, it has pontoons that you connect that makes it great for a outboard. It's as stable as a floating dock. Please make a video flipping one.
If I can find one I’ll sure will 😀
Yes, yes, yes! Exactly why I bought Sportsman 120 paddle and added an xi3 GPS for a total investment of $2400! Now I have a fishing machine baby!
That's an epic setup! Enjoy
I agree with everything you said all they way up until you got mad about motors in turnys. I would be mad about this one. I wouldn’t want everyone utilizing a motor for a turny. Not everyone can afford a motor or drive set up. I don’t think they loose money, I think they retain money by not allowing. Poor guy who just wants a shot.
You can have a nice motorized kayak for $250 extra poor guy can even the odds now! He can have manual 360 for $260 and fight the $10,000 hobie 360 setup
i put a 40lb $150 Minn Kota on my $300 canoe, battery was $170 i think. i can go 10 miles with 3 people, lock the steering and just chill, it's the best.
It doesn't mean they are dead it means pedal kayaks are going to become a less hot item and the supply will only increase and the price will drop until people who maybe don't have 2k to drop on one can afford it
Everything is getting more expensive
When they stop selling and the supply goes up the cost will drop. That's how it works
@@dmatthews2564 all those containers full of stuff not able to dock
I understand but that will end at some point
Just gotta say thank you for your rant at the end of this video. As an avid angler in a wheelchair it hit home. Gained a fan.
Thank you Jacob 🙂
Can’t wait to see your “why motor kayaks are dead: Jon Boats” video inna couple years LOL
I prefer my paddle boat. Otherwise it doesn’t feel like a kayak to me and then what’s the point of this niche?
Next week 😜
I think the point of the niche is just being able to launch nearly anywhere, and go places a big boat can't go. What power you use to get to those places is irrelevant to me.
Accessibility
Pedal kayaks are not dead. Yes, I prefer my motor guide xi3, and I don’t even use my pedal kayak anymore, but many tournaments won’t allow them. But, your points are spot on.
Sounds like for you they are 😜
@@AliexFolgueira lol. Yeah, pretty much. All the points you made are spot on.
Motorizing kayaks is cheaper. If you can work with your hands you can modify almost any kayak to take at least a trolling motor. From what I've noticed watching so many videos of people modding their yaks spend a minimum of somewhere around $150 to $200 additional to the price of their yaks maybe even less if they already have a trolling motor and some recycled building materials.
Hell look at that pelican catch power you reviewed... $200 Walmart trip has that thing up and running and it's still way cheaper than the high end Hobies
That’s right i motorized my first ever kayak for like $100 total including motor and I did a diy steering and all it was epic
Good exercise.. Inshore marsh fishing in a foot of water or less is not motor friendly. I like my hobie outback for that. I can get 4 mph with it on calm day and I am 65!! Do have a Texas Power Paddle Marlin (motor in rudder) to help get me back after long paddle in Texas heat.
You got the perfect setup!
Good points here Aliex! I'd add that modularity on being able to switch from pedalmotorized depending on the trip would be a case for some folks. Some places (especially out here in the west) have begun to restrict motorized depending on the season, water level, etc.
Agreed! That’s why the shearwater is so epic ! Can do anything
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I generally agree. I have three kayaks (all paddle no peddle). I live in Iowa after moving back from Texas (I know). An Ocean Kayak BG 2 ($899) a Topwater 106 ($699) and a Topwater 120 ($899) all on sale as 2nds from Sierra Trading Post.
I fish a lot of rivers. Any pedal would be constantly hitting the river bottom. Also, Kayaks under 13 feet don’t need to be registered, unless you put a motor on them. So, I’m inclined to put a motor on one for lake fishing. I can’t see myself getting a pedal. I know it would be nice to have my hands free at times, but I use an anchor trolley to fish an area and move on.
While I agree with your premise…unfortunately… electric motors BREAK DOWN!!! and having the pedal drive … gets you back to the launch ramp… been there!!! paddling this bigger … heavier… kayaks is prehistoric…I like the confidence of have THREE methods of powering my kayaks… MOTORS R O C K!!!
Pedal drives have never broke down...
@@lowlife7453 lol
Have never been on a motorized kayak. No that's not because I don't think they're cool. And I do understand you can cover more water easier. But a paddle or pedal kayak, is light enough to wear something goes wrong you can still manage! At least in most cases! Even when I had my Dorado, I could paddle it even if I couldn't pedal it. You add motors and batteries, now you might as well just have a Jon boat! Because you're not saving on the weight, so why not just have more room? That's just my opinion!
Bixpy with battery weights under 9 pounds, torqeedo with huge battery weights less than 15# your overdrive scaled in at least 25 pounds, there a motor that can go faster than you for a longer time and weights 10 pounds less….
@@AliexFolgueira I know Bixby in the battery pack are lightweight but aren't they really expensive?
Aliex
For a lot of us can not afford the trolling motors!
Water snake is $150 plus a cheap battery you can be on teh water with 360 manual for under $250
I agree with you Aliex. Makes more sense and economical to upgrade a paddle kayak. Maybe for people that don’t fish they may still like the pedal kayaks, but for avid anglers you need precise trolling motors.
It is so difficult to me to take anything else fishing if i know i have plenty of clearance to use the motor
I disagree. Cost is the main thing at least rigging one like he wants too. Then you have weight and inability to go places a normal kayak can go (small rivers/creeks).
They both have their niche markets in the fishing world
Ok…it will be funny seeing the “avid angler” with a dead battery on the shoreline as the “non avid” angler passes him by with his measly little paddle yak and continues to catch fish
Exactly! Why would you want a pedal instead of motor if you just want to get to your fishing spot? I rigged a trolling motor to my cheapie Lifetime kayak to get back up rivers with current instead of paddling. If I was just going out to fish, I'd go with the motors of course.
Why not just buy a boat?
Isn’t a “kayak “ a boat ?
I do wish I had a bixpy mainly for speed but having a pedal drive seems like a must for me.
Yeah, that sums it up for me as well. My Hobie gives me the option to pull out the mirage drive and drop a motor down in there and someday I will when the budget allows, but I absolutely love the pedal drive. Pedal will be my goto when out with the family or girlfriend and we are just touring a lake, spot fishing, taking our time. But the mornings when I'm by myself and want to pick up the morning bite at my favorite waypoints, get me there faster :-)
Motorized kayak? Just buy a 12-14ft boat lol
why?
Your the best!! I Enjoy every video! Keep it up 👍🏻
I love my Peddle Kayak but I'm 65 years old and love Exercise and hard work, something you younger folks wouldn't understand.
I’m not that young if I wanted to workout I just go to the gym, I wanna fish
Oh the old and almost dead thinking they know anything about the younger generation I'm a roof tiler have been since 17 I guarantee I work harder then you ever have you old fuck only thing you know about is metamucil so stick your lane old man
Dude.....I am old school. Only paddle. I love the idea of spending 2-4 hrs....taking my time. I may get peddle drive, and vibe, but I am getting a bit exercise, enjoy it much. Pescador sport!
go ahead and buy those chinese batteries and make biden rich(er).
Me, I can't afford those things, I'll keep slumping along in my $200 used yak. 🎣😊😎👍🎣
Hey I love my $300 pelican sentinel 😀
@@AliexFolgueira when's the last time you used your $300 yak in a video, hmm? 🤔 🎣😎😊👍🎣
@@johnbaker4847 Why would anybody with real kayaks would like to use cheap ass stuffs in their videos? Especially when you are trying to make a living doing TH-cam? At least i feel i`m getting an honest opinion with Aliex. Life is about starting small and upgrade anyway you can while you`re at it.
@@jettercool because "cheap ass stuffs" is all some of us can afford.
Anyone here try those lithium Batteries? YEAH they're expensive..
I'm in my late seventies. I pedal for exercise. I catch more fish trolling from my Outback than I ever did paddling and casting. Motors will not replace pedals until solar panels mounted onboard can recharge them fast enough to keep them running all day. If that happens, the only reason I might buy a motor is the maintenance of the outdrive is not something you can predict. It's hard to tell if bearings or cogs in the pedal drive are wearing until you are on the water and need them. I love the Outback's stability. If a motor compromised the VCG it would be a game killer for me.
You can get a Bixpy with 2 batteries and go all day, each battery is like 7 pounds motor is 2.7
@@AliexFolgueira I need more info. How much is the complete setup? If my drive goes out, that may be the next option.
@@jimfromm3981 Bixpy with the adapter should be around $1400 check this video out on the outback th-cam.com/video/L6vz0Ig86XM/w-d-xo.html I have several Bixpy outback videos you can also use the mirage drive adapter
@@jimfromm3981 mirage drive adapter bixpy th-cam.com/video/bEQvtkxZNQo/w-d-xo.html
Better off using human power...keeps you fit...unless you are a lazy ass fat body. Same goes for bikes vs e-bikes.
Why so much hate? I rather have the machines do the work for me, I hope you don't own a car
@@AliexFolgueira I do have a car! But i have to drive 40 miles each way to work, and about 1/2 of that is through war zone, if you catch my drift. I cycle about 200-300 miles a week for training. But I am not hating on anyone....it is what it is, and thats all it is.
I can understand if you never leave your state to fish or visit one other state, but I regularly fish 3 states and rather than registering it in every state I'll use the xi3 at home and use the pedal drive for out of state traveling. Yearly non resident fishing licenses can add up pretty quick, then adding multiple boat registration fees for a kayak on top of it? I'll pass, saves me more money for gas and other fishing crap... In about 6 years when I'm 100% vested with my union's pension I plan on quitting and doing a cross country vacation in my teardrop trailer. My xi3 will most likely stay home and I'll just be using my pedal drive. Just makes more sense to me, no point in paying to register in a state for a year when your only going to be there a week or two... Although I will admit that having a kayak with almost every state registration sticker going down the side would be an pretty cool, expensive but cool. Maybe if my fishing bait didn't say "not for human consumption" on it I could afford it... 🤪
They’re only dead for lazy people. They are still awesome for long camp trips, places where motors aren’t allowed and definitely never have to worry about range anxiety. Peddle kayaks rock!
More lazy people on this planet. Im in Florida and I'm noticing A LOT more lazy people.
They aren't dead. I just bought one. If I'm buying a $5k motor kayak or a $2k motor for my kayak, I'm buying a boat. The PDL drive is not hard to transport and is not heavy if one is carrying it right. Also keeps you in shape so you don't start looking like the people in WALL E.
Gonna have to put another $10k to buy the boat! You think that only kayak prices went up? Lol
@@AliexFolgueira You can easily get used 14fters for $6-10K. Why put 5 grand into kayak? That's absurd.
@@Comptonater asurd is that you think you can easily get that for that amount
motors maybe be the new trend and your first option but having a pedal drive is a good 2nd option/backup incase your motor has a issue out on the lake because no one really wants to paddle a load kayak.
I have caught 12 good size Stripers this year from 19-26 inch size on Old Town PDL 120 . Pedal drive system is good work out your leg s and I Also ride road bike 🚴♀️ 600 miles already this year. So if your fit stick with pedal or peddle kayak s . If you’re 60 and older yeah go with motor kayak or motor boat
The reason in my opinion is there are places where I fish you can’t have motors but I use the trolling motor on bigger lakes
What motor are you rocking
Have been kayak fishing last three years have a sea shots 130 with a pole anchor and receiver for $600 I just bought a 1542 with a trailer and 15hp 2020 for $3200 doesn’t make sense for the most part for the price but if it’s what you love then I get it.
Thing is, I went to the west marine store and picked up a 10 ft dinghy that weighs 100lbs for 600$. Its wider, more stable, solid and has a transom. Why would I get a kayak when that boat is built for fishing and ultra outfit ready? I have a couple of drop stitch yaks I love for shallows and fun paddling but, for fishing the dinghy is undefeated. Especially at 600$ brand new.
The reason I got a motor kayak is because what I do for work my body just wants to be able to relax on the water and enjoy my day 😎.
Ehhh, I kayak for the exercise and minimalism. I'm buying a boat if I ever consider dropping a trolling motor in my hobie, but I see your point. I get what you're saying. Lot of good points. Everyone has a preference.
That's why we have so many options, i love to take a little tiny kayak and one rod and go fishing but i did that one time on a bridge with crazy moving current, i titled the video "I'm never doing this again " or something like that lol a kayak with a gps trolling motor excels there a simple kayak no
Hey, thank you for spitting the truth. I mean, that is what all of us are wanting is someone to speak the truth for folks who want to fish in a kayak.
thanks matt, you are right i want to fish! not exercise lol
I have a paddle kayak. I Don’t foresee ever getting a pedal drive. I primarily fish the flats. I literally haul my yak across the yard and launch.
I also do kayak races. So I’m constantly working on my stamina and speed. Which has increased my range for fishing.
add a light weight motor just for back up, only use it when you need it, go the extra mile, see it as a personal trainer
@@AliexFolgueira I thought about getting a bixby in the past. Pretty cool setup. I fished a tournament. Quite a few competitors drives went out. On the return to the landing.
Keep it simple is how I kayak. Moter on a kayak what the hell makes no sense to me buy a Jon boat if you need a moter .I boughta Old Town PDL to keep in shape in my senior years. This year I have lowered my blood pressure and overcame bladder cancer. Keep on rocking
Read Rodrigo C comment
I have had three back surgeries and I am glad they don’t allow motors, it keeps it fair for the people that can’t afford to spend that much money on a kayak.
What are you talking about ? Seriously a pedal kayak is more money than a motorized setup !!! Motors even the odds dude, hands free fishing for under $400
@@AliexFolgueira I just figure if you are going to go motorize you might as well buy a John boat
@@Eric19781 that makes zero sense, can I paddle a Jon boat ? Can you car top it on your Corolla? Can a $150 trolling motor propel it at 3.5 mph ??? Tell me again why?
Been running a trolling motor on my Pelican sentinel 100x, would like to upgrade to something a bit more comfy but having a trolling motor is amazing
You made a very valid point to your argument. I have a pedal drive Native 12.5 and I may add a motor to the rear of it…someday.
add the motor, do it right and you will be happy you did
Aliex the 74% probably all have motor's lol. Anytime I go to a shop, that 30lb thrust, Minn-kota is always limited, or sold out. That's the 1st DIY People do. My kayak is a 120 PDL, Hybird edition, I did recieve my drive with my boat. But they make a 46lb thrust trolling motor, that weighs 20 lbs, that drops in where my PDL would sit, just like how the Native mount there drives. Plus I now have the Bixpy, with the Gravity rudder kit. So both are on my kayak, but I'll use the bixpy to get from spot to spot, and then troll around or pedal around. It's usually one or the other, but not together. A I dio like to paddle around super skinny water. Awsome video bro, be safe..🤟🙏🎣
Amazing setup brother! And you do get it the meaning of the video! Thanks
@@AliexFolgueira Lots of research I did, with a budget, but to have what's needed for me on my kayak. A $1,500.00 kayak, turns into a atleast 7,000.00 kayak when you're finished. But I'll take it over a bass or flats boat anyday. In a few year's, I'd like to add another vessel, probably the jonny bass boats 100, or the Pelican catch pwr 100. Just to throw the 2.5 Suzuki on and go. But I'll never sell my kayak, it's to sentimental now, saving, addons, research, etc. Pretty soon I think everything will be motorized. That's why you can add that bixpy to anything, lol..All kayak anglers know it's coming. 🙏🎣🤟
I have a paddle fishing kayak and have been looking at the pedal drive for convenience and easier to troll. Weight is a killer for me and my 15'x25" fiberglass sit on top is lighter than any of the pedal boats. If I need a motor I have a 12' Portabote with a 6 hp engine. It folds for transport and weighs less than most Hobies. By the way I am 82 and I cruise my kayak at 3.5-4 mph depending on conditions.
LOL!!!! Bro, I love how worked up you get... I subscribed because of that. Loved the video. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for the sub!
This is why I'm hoping some kayak series will ban use of motors. To me, if you want a motor driven vessel, just buy a boat. I got into kayak fishing for the added challenge. Limited area, need to plan better and make smarter decsions.
Kayak=boat
I added a stern motor with foot steering and it's superior to any pedal drive and handles weeds way better and is less hassle all around
thats interesting, can you show me some photos of how it is setup?
@@AliexFolgueira
Absolutely, I have done some updates since this video most notable was I ditched the wireless remote and now have a sweet wired remote mounted next to the seat with a rotary throttle 👍😎
th-cam.com/video/D2XbAIhwKmE/w-d-xo.html
I think Pedal and Motor combo is a safe bet especially if you fish alone. If that motor dies and you have to paddle back in rough water in a heavy kayak you’ll be stressing.
And you also have the paddle just in case
@@AliexFolgueira you do but paddling a fully loaded autopilot kayak in rough water and winds is going to be brutal unless you stay close to shore.
At least he's honest.
Always
One must consider where you live. In SC, if you put a trolling motor or anything else other than a manual operation you then have to register your kayak which of course includes the fees incurred with the registration. This kinda undermines the purpose of a kayak in the first place. You know, going out to enjoy wide open spaces without the need to buy a $40,000 Bass boat with all the bells and whistles which most working class Americans cannot afford anyway.
$25 dollar a year ? Come on it is not a big deal, and the purpose of a kayak is not NOT TO REGISTER in some place you have to register the kayak regardless of how it is propel
Nucanoe Unlimited. 2.5hp on the back. Foot control trolling motor in the front,. Cost me $3500 and that includes 100ah lithium battery.
You nailed it man! I have a FeelFree Lure 11.5 v2 and to purchase the pedal system for it is $1000, but what im doing is picking up a $100 minn kota, a battery and a yakgadget pod mount and ill be motorized for about $380 total. So why would i waste the money on a pedal system? Great video man and couldn't agree more!
I am 74 and can load my Hobie compass in the back of my pick up by myself easily. Loading a 140lb kayak with a trolling motor and battery would be a pain in the ass if I could do it.
Not if you add Bixpy
Pedal kayaks are fun for recreation. I live in the Bay Area, and barely any paddler knows about them.
I have an auto pulot 136 and i absolutely love it,i fish 98% of the time when im out fishing i never use a paddle, never..i have other friends fishing with me and there constantly using paddles or peddling when im hands free. Motors are the way to go
May be dead for anglers but not for people that want to just enjoy nature
There finally someone paid attention, the video opens with “they are dead …for many” lol
Wilderness systems paddle for about 9 years - then old town predator for the past 6 - Fish salt and fresh - peddle will never be dead - I can hook up trolling motor when needed for long hauls - most of the time, no need, I like the control on ponds and lakes and the ability to peddle backwards instantly - great exercise too!
I get exercise instead of sitting all day on my fat ass. Motor systems are great too - Peddle will never die
I have a small paddle yak too for tight spots and a quick toss in the back of the truck.
Fantastic intro and then re-engagement saying "Pedal Kayaks are dead...or are they?"
I'm taking notes
It did work 😃 haha
I actually sold my pedal yak and downgraded to a paddle yak because most of the waters i fish are shallow. found myself paddling 50% of the time due to weeds and rocks.. the lawn chair is the most essential part to any fishing yak IMO.
Your content is making me want to slap an electric out board on my predator 13, great content 👍🏼
Pls do it and send tag me in ig