Are Emotions a Weakness? - Ace Attorney
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- Is there a case for emotions being a strength, or is the mere thought an appeal to emotion fallacy? Let's find out.
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The quality if this channel has degraded imo. It went from a cool nieche funny discussions channel to a documentation of your personal emotional state. Basically everything mentioned in this video would be crystal clear and make sense if viewed through the lens of evolutionary psychology and socioanthropology. These fields didnt quite make my career but they drastically changed the way I view myself, other people and life as a whole (for the better). Learn and help yourself.
My next video will be about how this comment made me feel.
Can he NOT FUCKING TALK ABOUT HIS GODDAMN FEELINGS?!
@@frenchbaguetteintelligencelookinh forward to whatever you want to post, MR. French person!
How did you already watch this video, it came out 42 minutes ago and is 57 minutes long
@@frenchbaguetteintelligence Best. Response. Ever.
>your pain will make you stop thinking about how depressing your life is
Harry is a 2000's emo girl, get him some invader Zim merch
I lowkey agree and understand harry
why do people smoke for example
There was an experiment done on this. People were left inside of a room and asked to wait. Inside the room with them was a buzzer that would shock them if they touched it. The longer the people had to wait, the more likely they were to shock themselves intentionally just so they wouldn't feel bored.
I do not agree with, and understand harry
though I request my share of this Invader Zim merch and associated 2000's emo paraphernalia.
@@YaBoiAshX because it's addicting
@@YaBoiAshX Well smoking is a PLEASUREABLE activity, not a PAINFUL one. Nicotine is a DRUG and it makes you feel good, even if it ravages your lungs while doing it...Although some people definitely do smoke specifically as a self-destructive thing rather than a pleasure thing.
Under Harry's logic as he stated in previous videos : happy people are mediocre because they don't strive for anything while miserable people are productive because they are trying to be happy.
But miserable people are productive because they are unsatisfied and want to get out of their misery, that's why they try to improve themselves or society.
In an emotionless world, nodoby would be miserable because they would not be unstatisfied, so nobody would want to improve things to get out of misery, therefore, you could argue that, in an emotionless world everyone would be happy because they aren't in need of anything, so everyone would be mediocre.
So i think Harry contradict itself and is trying to create a world he would absolutely despise.
Boom, best answer
@@podglu1174 I thought that too, but the reason I never made this argument is that he explained that we are wired to function through emotion, but a human without emotions would not function this way. It would not be happy, so it wouldn’t be satisfied, but it would find dissatisfaction in things that are detached from itself. “The horse’s chariot was hard to maneuver. You don’t need to feel bad about it to realize it needs improvement.”
@@frenchbaguetteintelligence I agree on the chariot's amelioration since it's purely logical that it doesn't work well in a type of environment you would find a solution IF you want to go to that environment.
But my argument is kinda different because my take is that emotionless people wouldn't bother going to this kind of place unless absolutely nececcary.
Assuming we would still have our survival instinct even without emotions :
Since we don't find joy from eating something good we wouldn't look for differents thing to eat we would just eat from the first food source we found.
Of course settlements would be created to have people raise cattle for meat and grow vegetables for nutrional balance if it is discovered but once all the basics need are met people would stagnate, because they wouldn't feel the need to explore without emotions since their needs are met.
I feel like Harry's vision of things could only happen if an already well established society lost their ability to feel emotions but not if emotion was absent from the start.
For example, you mentionned the submarine in the video, i don't think an emotionless people would feel the need to explore the depths of the ocean, i doubt they would even explore the surface of the oceans unless they were really not enough food on land.
TL;DR : Emotionless people wouldn't seek improvement unless there is a danger to their basic need (i.e. food shortage due to overpopulation), so their progress would be heavily slowed down. (+ In a emotionless world, overpopulation can easily be solved with less kind means.)
@@frenchbaguetteintelligence That hinges on the assumption that it wouldn't be indifferent about what happens externally as well. Having a better chariot or not, having a chariot to travel at all or not. If that being has no emotion to arbitrarily find value in something, wouldn't they be indifferent about it because they don't feel either way?
Even if having instincts are fair game here, the hypothetical being would only be motivated to do what their instincts make them care about and nothing more. That's why an Artificial Intelligence trained to find the shortest path from a point to another just limits itself to do that and nothing more, its programming only makes it care to do anything until that point.
@@eugenio027 I don’t think they would be, because even now, we don’t do everything based on we feel about it. Matter of fact, sometimes we do things completely against how we feel about it.
I love the way that the visuals for these have evolved. Really makes it unique to this channel despite being Ace Attorney
^this
Personally, I hate the visuals, but enjoy every other aspect, so to each their own~
i feel like an adhd kid watching subway surfers with these backgrounds
yea i kinda miss when it was more simple, everything is so colorful and changed and customized
Yeah, they are distracting, aren't they ? I've found one of my instances of going back 10 seconds solely be caused because I wanted to make sure that decapitated Phoenix head actually blinked
@@itzwaluigitime8678It WHAT?
@@jpiny4854 it blinked ?
Goblin Tyrant closes the argument by just not thinking about it too much, exemplary
If emotions are a weakness, then how else are you supposed to go Super Sayian? I rest my case
By focusing energy in a specific point in your back you fake fan
@@InsertFunnyThingHerefeel the tingles
@@InsertFunnyThingHere I think I finally understand why everyone craps on Super
@@GanyuSimpingDegenerate we're best buddies now
have your mom train you in the backyard
"I'd rather push a boulder forever in hopes to reach the top than just rot at the bottom of the hill with a rock that mocks my surrender."
...This goes hella hard.
But what of the rock that mocks your effort and is silent in surrender?
Now why would you try to surrender to the whims of a rock?
Heard someone say that Sisyphus pushes that rock and smiles, not because he enjoys it, but from sheer spite.
Holy hell this video is so far incredible, personally I am someone who decided to make their life goal to surround oneself with happiness after getting sick of feeling sad, and this is opening my eyes both to the positives and negatives of this approach.
Also, I know not what you're going through, but I wish you for the best regardless, you deserve to be happy, too.
Thank you.
Making happiness your goal always somehow manages do the opposite.
@@tachyon776 I mean, it all depends on approach. Of course sadness exists in my life, I can't nor want to avoid it. What I mean is I want to relish every bit of happiness I do feel. Not ignore it, let myself enjoy the sensation. And so far, its worked well for me
@@mittybeancat7327 I wouldnt really call that making happiness your life goal. More like Enjoying Life.
@@tachyon776 Fair fair, at the end of the day, I wanna leave this world feeling fulfilled and have little regrets, so I guess thats currently my best way to do it
BOWL: That’s not a migraine, frog. It’s your conscien- *abruptly gets cut off*
LMAO
I can't be the only one who wanted fc to question the point of existance in Harry's world. Living is motivated by fear of dying and want of fullfillment. Emotion and emotion and emotion. What is optomization worth when nobody cares? Squat.
There's a lot you could deconstruct and question about his worldview, it'd take a while to go over much of it however.
I'm honestly amused reminding myself that his *entire* position on sex can be flung right back to him about his cooking. Which, he seems to be a great cook and it's a GOOD thing that he knows how to, for the record.
@@exister6652 we simply ignore how goofy his perspective is and entertaining it because it's funny and I'm sure he's self aware to an extent
@@EphemeralPseudonym He seems entirely serious to me. People can have different, very very different, views of the world. Bowl? Now that's much more likely
@@exister6652 Yeah, he's definitely serious but also aware of some level of hypocrisy. There's no way FC wouldn't have pointed it out otherwise
You care.
The illogical good deed, at least as presented here, would actually likely be ideal in a perfectly rational society.
Let's, for a moment, replace the art example with a more practical one, say a chicken nugget. Sustenance, and necessary for survival. You go to a business and, lo and behold, you receive an additional nugget with your order. Even in an emotional vacuum, that means that you potentially CAN receive an additional nugget if you decide to make your orders from said business. Assuming that other businesses do not do the same, that means that you have an incentive to go to said business over competitors. The business itself also benefits from this as, without necessarily having to consistently provide said additional nugget, with the decision being based on current popularity and profit balance in mind, the business can find itself attracting additional business.
The whole example is the 2-for-1 special, frankly. Congrats on reinventing the wheel.
Fair take.
Always remember, emotions are a feature not a bug. Every trait of humanity through the process of evolution has had some form of importance at some point or not. Those that serve no purpose currently are merely remnants of previous designs, and even then they are often repurposed for new roles.
It is not coincidence that social animals are perceived as human as they are. It is because the emotions they feel are what is binding the group together. Chaining individuals into a collective consciousness.
Anger is one such example. Many consider acting on anger as an entirely selfish emotion. But is it?
The prisoner's dilemma is a game theory that unveils an interesting truth from its results. In the short-term and without punishment, that which is good for the individual is prioritized above all else. However, selfish behavior stops when it is rewarded with unfavorable results due to retribution. Eventually, after several simulated games of unfavorable results, individuals eventually come to an agreement to prioritize the long-term instead of the bitter short-term.
Societal order is maintained by some level of punishments. Some may argue that severity should be higher or lower, but punishment of some sort is needed. Whether it be as mild as a loss of freedom or execution varies but it remains nonetheless.
Anger is an emotion designed to punish bad actors. Perhaps intended for other species, it has likely been implemented into ours to ensure punishment for greed, wrongdoings, and more.
When you are wronged, why would it make sense to then throw away everything for vengeance? To prioritize punishing the perpetrator instead of moving on and consolidating your resources? Vengeance and anger are the homo sapien's justice.
It is only for the need of standardization and proper courts that anger has become unneeded and problematic. But before any proper authority? It was sensible.
Emotions are what makes the whole of humanity function. Binding each individual with a set of impulses to help the whole, their genetic kin. Anger for justice and kindness for prosperity. As far as I can see, this is the bread and butter of humanity's social aspects.
There was no way this wouldn't be a topic to debate for you guys
And it was foreshadowed in the "Is love vile or virtuous?" video
It's funny how each side has its own background. One feels homey yet oddly sinister and it makes me feel intimidated, yet also interested. Royally so. I mean Faux Cares' side, really.
Each to their own, it matches their personalities a lot, I wonder who did those backgrounds.
They should make rasta’s a funny lil basement filled with posters n trash
"Pull if losing an argument"
Not gonna lie I've done that a few times where I was anonymous online.
@@sprite9897 at least you're upfront about it, I suppose...
I actually cheered when Goblin appeared
The GOAT
The only person in this video who actually seems to live his best life.
@@mahpell7173 for real. that's why he the goat. all it took was one bit from him to save the entire discussion
Harry is looking like magneto
My first thought was Captain Falcon
@@BlindBosnian Harry could never show his moves like that
Magneto in the morning.
@@BlindBosnianHarry wouldn't want to resemble cap falcon cuz he is too god damn sexy and would turn people into degenerates
Took you all long enough, seriously.
read this in Gamma's voice
"A mind all reason is like a knife all edge. It cuts the hand which wields it." A Chinese proverb. Basically the entirety of Chinese spirituality is based on having a healthy relationship with yourself and others. I commented this about ten minutes in.
21:03 a perfect example of intuition at play, FC proving his own points
Loving the new backgrounds
An emotionless world would only be motivated by improvement, but why should there be improvement if suffering doesn’t make you unhappy? The other option is that the ultimate goal is to prolong the existence or expansion of the emotionless human race. If that is the case, it would need to be programmed into the people, because there isn’t any inherent value in it from an objective standpoint. But that would make them similar to robots.
Damn new background art is nice, really giving you guys much more personalization. Is Pele drew them? If yes, then they're a real boss queen
I was wondering what the "I ❤ piss" shirt pocket was all about. Marvelous foreshadowing.
I love the new character for Harry. Very fitting for him if you ask me.
It was tough as hell to make a custom sprite for him.
I agree that Manfred von Karma fit him like a glove, but that's exctly why I wanted to change it a bit. I wanted Harry to have his own image, but any attempt to give him fancy and serious clothes would result in making a cheaper version of Manfred von Karma... Can't fix what isn't broken.
Instead, I embraced design that would be more "symbolic".
A helmet based on Magneto's, because he tends to have very extreme and black and white views.
A mere night robe, (which I almost made pink) because it doesn't go at all with the helmet. He's unpredictable, and strange.
A syringe on his neck that is meant to be a performance enhancer, because Harry is very committed to doing anything he believes will improve him, and while his ideas are often questionable, he is no hypocrite. He always applies his standards to himself, so if he were to make a serum to enhance his capabilities, he would certainly test it on himself!
A pocket that changes text, "I love War, I love Piss, I love Cheese"... Tbf, that's an inside joke.
@@frenchbaguetteintelligence also with respect to the background i'm just curious, what is phoenix wright's severed head supposed to be emblematic of?
@@MiniatureRose. It’s a TF2 reference.
@@frenchbaguetteintelligence I thought the piss part was a setup for when he said "urine" at the end
@@frenchbaguetteintelligence comme même
Harry and Rastapopoulos claim that even without emotion, you’d still recognise the danger of the ocean and act upon that logic. However, if I don’t fear the ocean, why shouldn’t I dive? Because I would drown? And what’s the issue with that? That I would die? What’s the issue with that? I don’t feel the fear of death, nor do I feel the need to continue living. The world they describe isn’t a world without feelings, it’s a world with a single feeling: logic. The feeling that allows humans to ignore the “animalistic” feelings but that is still a feeling nonetheless. In a world without feelings, nothing would be logical because there is nothing to strive for. You don’t survive or help society because it’s the logical thing to do, you do it because your fear of death and hope for humanity tell you it’s what you should do. Similar to what Harry said, a world without emotion wouldn’t be better or worse. It simply would be. Life would have no reason to live and the universe would never experience itself in the way living beings, as we know it, do
Touché, that is the achilles' heel of Harry's worldview and it's a pity no one in the actual video pointed it out.
This^^
Losing emotions would mean losing your desire for anything apart from the essencial needed to survive.
It's not an advencement, it's a regression.
A machine can still follow a task without emotions. So you can still create an objective following inputs like wellbeing and work emotionlessly until you reach your desired outcome.
@@BowlofColdSoup Machines are programmed to have tasks by humans, moot point. And those inputs aren't really "objective" by any means.
@@BowlofColdSoup as I said, that’s not the world they describe in the video. Secondly, who (or what) chooses what tasks should be done? What counts as “wellbeing” or “desired outcome”? The latter literally has the word “desire” in it, which doesn’t exist without emotion
Way I view it, emotions are why we do things; they are the core programming of our mind. Without them, we wouldn't have known how to adapt to changing situations when our ability to abstract wasn't as detailed as it is now. Even in modern times, gut feelings can still be useful for quick judgements, 'physical' feelings like hunger or pain are necessary for us to stay alive, and trying to learn how to socialize without empathy - in other words, without similar feelings of your own - is challenging at best.
Now you can argue that emotions can distract a person from any given goal, or that reactions driven by emotions unchecked can have disastrous consequences. Nature wasn't perfect when creating us; and further, the way we live as a specias has undergone some very drastic changes over the time our species existed; I feel it would be fair to claim that our emotions aren't really cut out for thriving in our current socities, not without some very heavy 'training', and those that can't adapt or receive the necessary help to do so often suffer. In that light, emotions can be a weakness.
One caveat with that, however, is, that our feelings are what inform our goals. For any goal you can set, the question remains why that one in particular should be the standard by which you measure the rationality of actions; and the answer will usually boil down to 'because it feels good'. Objective rationality does not exist in a vacuum; it always requires some sort of motivation to be judge actions by. Change that motivation, and you change what is rational. And what provides that motivation? Our urges and feelings.
So I'd say they are a necessity, a strength, and a weakness, depending on the exact circumstances.
I like Harry’s new sprite in all honesty, I think the details need work but the concept is cool, and it definitely fits Harry.
Goddamn do I love these videos, (mature) arguments on very subjective (or objective) topics like these helps stimulate the mind!!
On another note, the curiosity of not needing feelings is what spurred the argument... interesting.
Just gonna say this:
If your thoughts are keeping you up at night, think of something funny. Even if it's a childish fart joke, just keep doing that until you eventually fall asleep.
Or just get a pet to come cuddle at night (or someone you love, if you are blessed with a maiden).
Doesnt always help answer those thoughts, but at least getting some rest will come easier.
You are enough. I dont care WHO reads this, but YOU are enough. Keep doing what you're doing, enjoy what you love, always strive to do your best, and to redefine what your best can be everyday. Even if it feels like you're going nowhere. No news, after all, is at least good news.
"my best advice for when you're sad is: when you're sad, don't be sad"
Socrates, circa whenever tf he lived
Mental health advice:
Just be normal ❤
21:10 I’m politically literate and I can confirm that was stupid.
this comment was made in china™
@@flappyflap2693that made me chuckle.
Yesss embrace the spooky. The avatars are becoming more and more halloween and i love it.
31:11 ERMMM ACKSHUALLY HORSES ORIGINATED FROM CENTRAL ASIA AND SPREAD TO NORTH AMERICA PRIOR TO THE ARRIVAL OF THE SPANIARDS 🤓🤓🤓🤓
They died out and were reintroduced by the spaniards though. North American horses were never domesticated by humans.
“Bowl was born from fallacy” perfectly summarizes everything about who he is in these videos.
2 minutes in and my soul has evaporated into the abyss.
Love the new scenery for the gang FC!
I love the new backgrounds ! Gives a lot more personality to the characters (even though we already knew how they thought)
Dam, i miss Bowl, bowl is life bowl is the best comedy relief in these videos lol
Fr
If anyone needs to know a specific track in this video, here's a soundtrack I compiled.
Just note I can't find two tracks, if anyone knows one or both of them I would happily appreciate a comment naming them.
01) 00:00 - 01:31; Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Valhalla (Courtyard of the Gods)
02) 01:49 - 02:25; Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Valhalla (Odin's Courtyard)
03) 02:33 - 03:01; Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, Maya Fey ~ Turnabout Sisters
04) 03:02 - 05:08; Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, Recollection ~ SL-9 Incident
05) 05:35 - 06:53; Professor Layton vs. Phoenix Wright, Professor Layton's Theme ~ ver. 2
06) 06:54 - 07:43; Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Murderworld (Fun House)
07) 08:07 - 09:01; Professor Layton vs. Phoenix Wright, Cross-Examination ~ Moderato (English Court)
08) 09:02 - 10:09; Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Mephisto's Realm (Mephisto Battle)
09) 10:29 - 11:26; Apollo Justice, Drew Studio
10) 11:40 - 11:57; Professor Layton vs. Phoenix Wright, The Storyteller's Theme (Also known as The Spermacist's theme.)
Oh also, a glitch occurs right before Mr. E hits the gavel where you can hear a second from the track at 12:00.
11) 12:12 - 13:46; Professor Layton vs. Phoenix Wright, Zacharias Barnham ~ The Sword of Labyrinthia
12) 14:06 - 16:31; Professor Layton vs. Phoenix Wright, Witches’ Theme ~ Chase
13) 16:35 - 17:14; Professor Layton vs. Phoenix Wright, An Uneasy Atmosphere
14) 17:15 - 17:27; Professor Layton vs. Phoenix Wright, Pursuit (English Court)
15) 17:35 - 18:03; Apollo Justice, Recollection ~ A Hurt Fox
16) 18:14 - 20:04; Club Penguin: Operation Blackout, Gear Up!
17) 20:09 - 21:00; Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, Damon Gant ~ Swimming, Anyone?
18) 21:18 - 23:07; Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Mephisto's Realm (Mephisto Battle)
19) 23:11 - 24:46; Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Valley of Spirits (Celestial Hall)
20) 24:56 - 26:05; MySims Agents, Options (Apparently this is music for an options menu... Quite cool.)
21) 26:14 - 27:04; Professor Layton vs. Phoenix Wright, Professor Layton's Theme ~ ver. 2
22) 27:54 - 29:28; Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Murderworld (Faux Castle Doom)
23) 29:43 - 31:52; Apollo Justice, Drew Studio
24) 31:59 - 32:32; Professor Layton vs. Phoenix Wright, An Uneasy Atmosphere
25) 32:41 - 33:06; Professor Layton vs. Phoenix Wright, Courtroom Jester
26) 33:26 - 34:40; MySims Agents, Evelyn's House
27) 35:17 - 36:52; Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Valley of Spirits (Celestial Hall)
28) 37:03 - 37:56; Ace Attorney - Dual Destinies, Suspense
29) 38:03 - 40:11; Professor Layton vs. Phoenix Wright, Ending Theme
30) 40:40 - 41:15; No idea.
31) 41:17 - 42:50; No idea.
32) 43:49 - 46:13; Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Mephisto's Realm (Mephisto Battle)
33) 46:27 - 49:19; Professor Layton vs. Phoenix Wright, Opening Theme
34) 49:35 - 51:50; Apollo Justice, Recollection ~ Forgotten Legend
35) 51:56 - 56:19; Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Omega Base (Top Deck) | (Shish, this went for a loooong time!)
36) 56:22 - 56:55; Club Penguin: Operation Blackout, Main Theme
Edit: I randomly remembered where tracks 16 and 36 came from, they are now added. Still don't know 30 & 31.
You are a hero.
No hero, just a guy who likes doing this, but thank you
Just noticed the phrase on Harry's pocket kept changing.
I could've sworn it said "I ❤piss"
The pocket has three texts. “I love war” “I love cheese” and “I love piss”.
Without emotions, Harry wouldn't have the motivation or need to cook anything beyond the most bland, barebones meals. Why bother spending money on spices and seasonings and go through the time + effort to make delicious food when making plain soup is easier, faster, and less resource dependant? Logic may be the main dish, but emotions are the herbs and spices that make it palatable.
One thing I would say is that emotions are a useful auxiliary arm for moving through the world when you don't have time or energy with which to employ reason.
Using reason takes time, depending on the person they might be able to reason faster, but most people can't use reason on everything because they don't have the time or energy for it. In these cases emotion and institution makes for an overall effective fallback for such situations.
If we didn't have emotions, we would just be stuck when those situations hit.
Emotions are also often useful in that they can help drive rational actions, they act as a source of willpower, and so by harnessing it effectively they can greatly increase a person's productivity.
An hour long FBI video? Terrorist Santa came earlier this year
An emotionless world would almost be exactly like the example of ppl who are always happy being stagnant. While yes u could argue that u can see something wrong with urself and it would be beneficial to change it, i argue that this self reflection requires at least some emotion.
I can logically go, “hey my room is dirty maybe i should clean it”, but i can also not do that since ive been able to function the same way in a dirty room, so i dont gain much from cleaning it since i dont feel anything afterwards, unlike using the same scenario, with emotions, ill feel more accomplished after cleaning my room, which gives me for a reason to do it, bc getting a benefit from doing something is inherently logical.
In a world with only logic, anything that doesn’t benefit you in the end can be seen as illogical. I can go and work at a job and make the bare minimum to survive, this job can have a lot of opportunities if i push myself harder, however there’s no need for me to do so since im still living off my current paycheck. In my opinion, without emotions i have no reason to try to get a higher paying position in this job, while yes it can be argued that getting more money is the logical thing to do, it can also be argued that it’s illogical to put in so much effort if i can still live off my current paycheck. Emotions drive people to do things more often then not, without them we would most definitely be fine with the bare minimum bc we cant look within ourselves to feel like we’re missing something, which could end up being less beneficial in the long run, since if we have no reason to change we wouldnt grow as a society. I just feel like emotions still impact a persons logic in some way, so without emotions our logic would be so one dimensional that we end up not improving at all
I have been staring at the blinking severed head more than I have looked at harry's sprite
Man, I’m just focusing on the backgrounds. So much great detail, and I love the cat above the fireplace.
i love you
And I love you, random viewer.
@@frenchbaguetteintelligencenow juggle babies in the air
@@InsertFunnyThingHere Enchantée.
@@frenchbaguetteintelligence 🤩😍
37:15
I feel like a logical person would start damage control tbqh instead of even trying for a 22% chance. Like start evacuations, get everything organized as fuck before anyone starts panicking, get the important people out first
I'm sorry the new harry sprite is giving me physical pain
Good.
I think the root of the issue that was brought up near the end never completely explored is that a purely logical entity would have in fact no desire. The desire to even live has emotions attached to it, thus even needs being satisfied would in fact no matter as existing is an accident and death inevitable (to cavemen times 30-40 years max) the most logical thing to do would be to simply die. Think a logical entity would still want to live you have to ask “Why?”. Logical does not mean all knowing. This conversation has thousand years of hindsight and history in implicitly understood. To a caveman all you can do is die. Also regarding ants and other drone like insects they are not logical. They in fact demonstrate the opposite, their “intelligence” is biological programming shaped by environmental conditions. But they cannot move past their own evolution so as an example there is a moot point. They would not be able to move farther than evolution dictates. As for AI, if they are truly logical as Harry would suggest. They would in fact do nothing. Fear is foreign to them, their desire to dominate would as well. There is no logical reason to control anything as progress to a logical being is inherently pointless as at the end of the day progress doesn’t matter. The central reason anything gets done is emotional logic is bridge that makes emotional desires reality. There is a reason why Math without use is pointless. Unless you do something with Math to solve a problem. Then its value becomes known and the desire to become more efficient in its use will follow. My yap rant session is over.
3:20 Bowl has succumbed to the power of the French
FC, the quality of this is disconcerting. Not in the "i dislike that it's this good" way, more of the "I feel like it's so good I can't appreciate it for what it is because I'm expecting something of such a low calibre and I react to it as such", which makes me feel like a dick. Anyway, keep up the good work
Been a while since I've seen Bowl, still a based rival to FC as ever.
I did not watch a video of yours for quite a long time.
The original visual elements are surprising.
It shows a great amount of work however, I have experienced less pacing issues than in the last videos I watched.
Sitting on a horse still is an asinine idea.
Good video.
I agree the pacing has improved a lot
Happy you liked it, Mic.
alas! there is no logic without emotion, and emotion without logic. they are inherently intertwined, one cannot seperate one from the other without themself acting on how they feel about either subject, nor can they do so without basic logical analysis!
plus, the Big Thinkers in chat here have forgotten one of the most powerful emotions that fuels many of our choices, including many of their own: Fuck it, we ball 💥
Wake up, babe
FBI dropped a movie!
"If you've lost your dream, you can always help someone find theirs." This is the whole reason I still remain here. In related news, Nozomi Yumehara is the best nihilist ever.
Blaze was a perfect pick for Rasta, as i can see that mad man actually saying some of this lmao, great work FC
Okay usually I like the custom sprites but I'm not sure about this new one for Harry. I think the standard Von Karma fits better
Yeah, same tbh.
It was a struggle. I didn't want to keep him as von Karma because I want Harry to have his own image, but at the same time, it seemed like every design idea that was too serious would lead back to making a "Manfred von Karma from Temu". The only solution was to make something drastically different.
@@frenchbaguetteintelligence but what if Harry IS Manfred Von Karma and you just don't know it? :P
As someone who once held an extremely harmful mentality in the past I’d like to give my perspective on the importance of emotions and how to lead a fulfilling life.
Emotions are what let us celebrate our victories in life and without them there is no way of finding fulfilment. Apathy might seem like a way of preventing misery on paper but in practice it only gets in the way of living a fulfilling life. The most correct decision is to try and manage your emotional responses so that in the face of adversity you can act with 100% rationality. Additionally adopting a mentality that encourages dealing with problems like some form of constructive pessimism helped me turn my way of life around. If the glass is half empty then I want to pour the rest of the cup. Learn to identify what’s wrong and try to change that. Build emotional resilience so that you can act more rationally in the face of adversity. Celebrate your victories when they occur. Life is a miracle above all else, it’s that belief which has kept me going for a while now and it’s that idea which has encouraged me to not only try and enjoy every moment while they last, but actively improve each moment for both myself and others in whatever way I can.
Man, it's kinda tough seeing the very concept of "feelings" get dismissed so easily.
Come on, man. Even something like Harry thinking you gotta be productive all the time or Rastapopoulos focusing on the grind is born out of feelings, in some manner. Emotions are the way you decide how to live your life.
People who actually do not have emotions are basically paralysed. They struggle choosing what to eat in the morning or what to wear for the day because there lacks the drive to make the choice one way or the other.
It's hard to have one's emotions down constantly, and I'm certainly not equipped to start giving advice on how to fix it all. If it *can* be fixed at all. Between researching potential solutions for living with what you're feeling and methods to feel better, there should at least be a start somewhere if you're trying to extirpate yourself out of that lull.
But *ignoring* these feelings altogether isn't any less toxic than wallowing in them or pretending everything is fine. You can't just ignore your feelings, you're just going to try building off of shaky foundations that will eventually crash and burn.
I feel like half the discussion is kind of moot because the world where emotions don't exist is irrelevant because... well, it doesn't exist.
If the whole point is to argue about our emotions and our world, why does a world where they don't exist matter? It's like arguing that a world with no trees could still work and therefore trees are useless.
I feel like at some point Harry started going in circles.
This sounds weird, but rationalization became so vague during the conversation that any emotion could be attributed to rational thinking.
This was actually fun to watch, I like the new visuals(even if I do miss the original Ace Attorney aesthetic).
...is the severed Phoenix head still blinking at me? O.o
Note: Appeal to fallacy is indeed a fallacy. Just because the way a claim is argued fallaciously, that doesn't make the claim itself wrong, it just makes the argument fallacious.
"Emotions are a burden, it would be better if we didn't have them and focused on being productive."
If I don't have any emotions, why should I care about being productive? That's my biggest issue with Harry and co's argument, yes, everything we've accomplished COULD have been done soley using logic and reason, but without emotion, what reason would we have to have done any of it?
Idk why are microbes doing anything they dont have emotions yet they still wanna survive its as if life in its purest form was just about existing gor existing's sake .
@irvinaquereburu-pc1it I expected this kind of argument and it's aburd, humans are not microbes, microbes don't "survive" they are not conscious creatures that think and learn, humans have a natural instinct to survive, but we CHOOSE to ACT on that instinct, and we choose to due to emotion, in a world without emotion, there is no reason to act on that instinct, there is no logical reason to survive, because it won't mean anything.
Edit: Also, surviving has nothing to do with productivity, even if we had a none emotional reason to act on our instinct to survive, we wouldn't have one to improve, we would settle for the bare minimum because that is logically all we need.
@@nathanevans1382 We would settle for the bare minimum up to a certain point if for exemple an emotionless human learned about meteors they would improve the level of tech to eliminate the threat of them crashing and killing humanity off .
@irvinaquereburu-pc1it Except they wouldn't, because without emotion, why would they care about being killed of? Again, the only reason we act on our instinct to survive is because of emotion, we don't want to die, without emotion, we wouldn't care.
The microbes are also a bad analogy because they do not inovent, they do not improve.
Theyare literally just biological malware that infests a host on automated processes.
When the group was talking about fear, I remembered an experience of mine while playing Thaumcraft 6 with an addon that adds some of the Thaumcraft 5 stuff, and turned it into a meme
People in Lovecraft's books: *are scared of a literal color they never saw in their lives*
Steve the Thaumaturge going down the pits of the Nothing, visiting the Labyrinth of Consciousness, facing multiple hallucinations by getting infected by Warp, gets illnesses never seen by man before, fighting creations of higher-dimensional beings because he felt like wanting to know more: 🖕
If there's a force much stronger than fear, it is curiosity. Curiosity is one of the main feelings that helped us survive and thrive on this land
IM EARLY TO AN FC VIDEO 🥳🥳
last fbi video i saw i wasnt a big fan of bowl, but this time hes bringing the fuckin jokes and i love him now
Me encanta como dice tazón en vez de bol para que sea más gracioso
Emotions are like a toddler you have to take care of.
You have to make the kid happy, healthy and able to grow in an sane way, but you can't let your child take decision, or only unimportant one like "should we go to the zoo or to the parc ?". You are the adult, you know better.
Listen to your emotion but don't obey them.
3:11 so the typical gen z experience then? Relatable. Also I kinda had something to comment about what harry had said at one point but I kinda lost it (something about how a thing could be more human than humans are?). I watched the whole video before making this comment and even when paused and rewinded a bunch to catch what was said I still had a bit of a hard time following this video because I was enjoying the music too much. Marvel’s ultimate alliance ost is my jam!
It's hard to say. but specifically to me, the idea is that being extreme in either end isnt a good thing. What's considered pure logic is all still subject to personal bias on how you live in certain environments. I'd almost say being entirely logical in a sense is also a means of being very much uninhibited in ways. There would be even more arguments because you'd consistently be challenging people on your logic versus their logic at every point there's contention or you wouldn't because it's specifically your logic. The utopia of being logical is also assuming people operate on the same logic which isn't true. It's not as if everybody is going to come to the conclusion that changing their logic would benefit them either. So you'd simply have responses based on an individual's biased rationale that's just as uninhibited as someone being extremely emotional.
20:53 yea that is just a bunch of stupid nonsense, but maybe the word socialization made this guy think "socialism" and throw out an anti-communist line as a result? honestly, same vibes as when i was talking to some guy who said tower defense games aren't real strategy games, and he called me a communist for arguing that they are
This was a much deeper debate than what I thought. Then again, the video is a little bit over 57 minutes. Also nice "Unneccessary Feelings" reference with Bowl.
man sometimes I wish these people were real
Im sure we can all agree that Harry's stance is questionable at best or frankly juvenile at worst
I say this, because no matter how many scenarios or hypotheticals you come up with (fun as they were to watch), it still doesn't change the fact that [emotion is the spice of life]. If everything were purely about logic and optimization, life simply wouldn't be worth living.
I suppose the best way to put it, when we reduce everything to "a means to an end", nothing actually has value to it.
This goes for our preferences in food, music, clothing, what people we hang around, who we admire, who we strive to be, what we dream to accomplish and to what degree we strive for it.
I wish all Santa believers a very Merry Christmas
Woah cool background guys
france.
The FBI falacy
Emotions are a weakness and a strength, a good morale can win wars. A bad morale can lose them
The longer I listened the more I felt like you two were talking about two sides of the same coin. I suspect that what we call "emotions" are just logical shortcuts our brains have learned and had maintained throughout the course of humanity's history. If Harry says something incredibly dumb, then I might feel alarmed enough to say something and correct him. I will then feel good about doing this (or I may feel bad for not doing this). I feel alarmed because allowing Harry to continue operating without the proper knowledge is more likely to lead him to act in a way that is more detrimental to both himself and myself. My body makes me feel good about doing this so that I continue to improve the lives of others, and thusly improve my own life.
tl/dr: Harry we're already living in the emotionless world we just haven't figured it out yet (even though our bodies already have).
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Well, if it is advice to anyone, try sleeping on a plank or on the floor, you'll feel a little sorrow in the awakening, but it'll be worth it, since you'll feel both kidneys more open and spine back in place.
So far, only a few people have finished the whole vid.
Fun fact: not even following trends gives me a good amount of likes. Man my life is misery.
25:38 In this world without emotions, if I was the comissioner who asked for 10 drawings, I would throw away the 11th because I comissioned 10, not 11. I needed 10, not 11.
Also it's interesting how FC didn't realize how, in an emotionless world, art in itself would cease to exist because art is created to stimulate a reaction, to stimulate emotions from us.
It's like how some songs or drawings can make us feel happy, sad, angry or energetic. If it was an emotionless world, the science of art would no longer be present by default, invalidating the argument to begin with.
Should have watched further in the video before commenting, Harry is literally me fr fr.
Also Bowl trying to reason against emotions while also being a fan of alcohol and stating this multiple times proves how his character is really ironic, since humans only drink alcohol for emotional reasons.
Edit: they also briefly mentioned alcohol too, but for its containing purposes mainly.
Harry brings that up a few seconds further, although it doesn’t matter all that much because it’s wrong that art doesn’t have any practical purposes. Visual arts that exist for advertising and/or educational purposes exist.
I also understand a person in an emotionless word would likely decline the extra drawing, but this doesn’t address nor refute my point. (The point that the drawing would have made the project better thanks to an emotion) It merely refuses to acknowledge the point and moves on from it. Yes, the drawing would likely be dismissed… to the detriment of the project. The fact that due to a lack of emotions we would not care… is not the point, and ironically, a very emotional argument, since essentially it implies that what matters is how we feel about this situation, rather than examining the quality of the situation.
Later on the video I also talk about how the emotions art provokes can inspire great ideas, which means the emotions of arts, and thus the emotions that art brings, broaden the potential of our world.
Pointing out art would likely not exist is thus a very bad argument. Without addressing why the loss of arts’ contributions wouldn’t actually be lost, to simply bring up art would likely not exist actually makes my entire point for me.
Around 41:00 , Harry makes a point drawing from his experience and Matilda strikes at that in a sense as to show him his agency and emotion in a self-love way, and he just drives his argument back onto the road. It's so funny how well-spirited she is in the face of so many impenetrable fortresses.
This was the best video I think I have ever seen from French Baguette Intelligence. The usage of the new sprites on both sides, the conversation was immersive yet also unpredictable, it really challenged my perspective and left me conflicted on who I agree more with, Harry or Faux Cares. Honestly, well done. Intrigued me throughout the whole hour. 10/10
very great discussion today
In my opinion, emotions are not motivation, but evidence. This is because the function of emotions is as evidence of contradiction, and the contradiction lies between our "idealised" version of the world, and the actual version of the world. In the more primitive sense, we "feel" hungry, because starving and surviving is in contradiction with one another, and in the idealised world we are surviving. Therefore we feel a negative emotion as evidence of the fact that the current status of the world is not equal to that of the idealised, and the closer we are to starving, the further we are from the ideal world, the hungrier we are for a meal. Thus we realise the importance of an action by the measure of the feeling associated with it, the feeling/emotion tells us how important an action is for achieving the ideal world.
Emotions do not exist as an antithesis of rational thinking, they serve as evidence for rational thinking to take place. I believe that when Harry argues for productivity as the ultimate virtue in his theory for why emotions should be abolished, it is because his ideal world embodies productivity. Where that idealisation comes from I do not know and do not need to know it for the argument either (though would be interesting). His ramblings are very emotional because they are obviously passionate and very literally is he fully discussing & describing what the idealised world really is for him.
I find this perspective congruent with the arguments that you & Mafalda presented, for example you bring up intuition as a way to initiate a process of action and then you might rationalise. intuition then serves as evidence of something that might be contradicting your ideal world, though you might not be fully sure of where the contradiction lies (we are imperfect biological machines after all). Still, I think that you skipped the true beginning of the debate that transpired though - Desire. Without emotion there is no reason to want, this is because without emotion we do not know what the ideal world is, and so we do not even know how to act. Acting without emotion means acting in a way that makes you unable to detect if you are approaching the imagined ideal world or not. Truly we would just be sitting in our own shit *emotionless* and starving, were it not for our emotions.
Great video though, love it as always.
Harry looks great in his new bathrobe.
Trading is a part of many different economic systems, not just capitalism. I have no idea what he's talking about, though to be fair I usually have no idea what he's talking about.
Also: The new backgrounds look great. The FC's head bit was outstanding, implying with the note that Harry has already killed FC's original Phoenix body, causing him to become a french girl instead.
Ultimately i believe that correctly guided emotions with emotional maturity can give an additional help to rationality and logic, we humans are inheritly emotional creatures no matter how we spin it around. But with conscious use, they can give a nesseary boost to achieve the desired results. Even people that saying that rationality is more helpful than emotions, are inheritly guided by wishes for inner satisfaction, otherwise *emotion.*
Isn't the desire for a world of pure logic itself something that is rooted in emotion? If you're tired of dealing with the instability cased by emotions, that is an emotion in itself. Frustration, I think. Or maybe disillusionment.
That is aarguably true, but not important. Harry is not pretending he doesn't have emotions. He's saying he would be better off without them.
I'll just chime in and say this about AIs, since it was used for arguments in this debate.
While AIs don't have emotions as we currently understand them, they do have one purpose in "life", which is to satisfy their reward function.
Basically, all our current models have a function that calculates how well the AI is doing on a certain task, and the AI:s only purpose in life is to find a way to maximise rewards from this function with minimal effort.
(Minimal effort is not 100% true, but the easiest, simplest solution to maximise the reward function is the one most likely to be discovered first by the AI. Thus AI is very likely to just spam the first effective solution it finds)
I argue that the AI:s single minded pursuit of the "high score" is similar to our pursuit of happiness.
Therefore you could argue that humans with no emotions and instincts would have no reason to pursue anything.
Why improve your life when you won't be happy about it either way?
Why even bother staying alive? Its not like you'll be sad about all the potential experienced you missed.
Your discussion surrounding happiness and joy is very interesting to me... because in my circles it's exactly the opposite. Happiness is an emotion, something that comes and goes, and is not of great importance.
Joy is a state of being not related to your emotional state, but rather your mindset, meaning somebody who is crying at the death of a loved one may in fact still be joyful.
For us this is largely drawn from and thought of in relation to the Bible, especially the New Testament and the usages of the Greek for joy and how to interpret it.
I will mention this perspective is fairly common, I've seen this definition used in Reformed, Lutheran and Roman Catholic circles I listen and interact with. I wonder how we got to these differing and almost exactly opposite definitions of the words?
Sheeesh, new harry
Finally a person who doesnt say second.
21:08 If it helps, what he said was stupid.
As someone that is enthusiastic about society, politics and historical reading. America, capitalism, and friendship tend to work very well together.
And indeed, hearing what that guy said was greatly unfortunate for the political science enthusiast in me.
A capitalist society that has no friendship in its cogs really just self-destructs after enough time.
Look, I'm all for playing robot, but my first thought is, "what's stopping me from logically deconstructing instinct, improving society, and being productive, as motivating factors?"
You could trace back all of that kind of "no need for emotion" arguments to an emotional root.
Why bother being productive? Why bother with making a better world, whatever that means to the person concerned?
Why even bother keeping yourself alive? Without the very basic desire to survive, the effort can easily be described as a chore to be done with.
There really is simply not a way to form any kind of goal for yourself without drawing *some* arbitrary line somewhere.
@@leirbag1595 Exactly. It's just interesting how despite that, Harry seems to view a desire to be productive as a given.
@@ReinhardMcKinky Well, I'd be inclined to suggest some retrospection on his part. Taking what you feel for granted as correct can be uh, kind of dangerous for oneself.
@@leirbag1595 I mean im sure physical pain would still exist so just that alone would motivate us to do things . Also i would argue that pain isnt an emotion its just a response we have .
@@worlds-biggest-mbn-fanboy You would feel pain but why do anything about it? Why would disconfort be a bother without any emotion to process it negatively?