I know no one asks but give Tradescantia pallida A chance it doesn't quite look like a posthos. Isn't big round Leaves, but it's cheap Durable and vining
If a company refuses to show the actual product I'm immediately going to question the quality/ existence of that product. It's like all the fake products on the cheap trash sites. If your product works/ exists you would want to show it to the customer. They don't seem to understand just how sketchy their refusal to even show the plant is. They claim transparency but this is the opposite. I'll just stick to the "unreasonable" amount of plants in a room strategy. It's much cheaper and not a subscription trap. And I get more variety than just a golden pothos.
A small but important distinction -- in response to your first question, Neoplants sent a graph that shows the relationship of the bacterial population (measured in percentage?) over time, not a graph of effectiveness over time. Unless they sent another graph illustrating the relationship between the bacterial population and it's effectiveness, they've essentially sent you a meaningless piece of information while claiming it proves something it doesn't.
Seriously, do you know how much pothos I gave away last week? Golden,marble queen, scindapsis (yeah yeah, I'm still calling it pothos since pothos doesn't exist anyway), cebu blue, Baltic blue.... I also have njoy and ablo...the ablo does need a clipping but I can probably actually get someone to buy those 😂
😮💨 I’m so tired of fake plant scams. This takes it to the next level with a patent and all that. But even just photoshopped plant pictures are all over Amazon, Etsy, eBay, etc. Even today I had someone on my plant forum asking if a purple variegated monstera is real because they want to buy it. I feel so bad for beginner plant hobbyists. It’s easy for us to be like “of course not!! How could that be real??” But then I think of all the amazing variegated plants that we see all the time on rare plant socials: pink princess philodendron, orange princess, red moon philodendron, monstera devil monster, etc. And even common plants: lilac tradescantia, pink syngonium, aglaonema, croton, etc, etc. If you have limited experience with plants, no wonder they see some amazing real plants and don’t think to question if scam plants might not be real I guess the best solution I can think of is to recommend that anyone consult the internet and/or plant forums before buying an unbelievable plant. Whether it’s the color, rarity, or price that seems too good to be true, listen to the little voice of doubt and get more info before clicking buy
there was a picture of a black monstera floating around too... I had to tell a friend of mine who isn't big on indoor plants to not purchase that... it was on etsy smh
This was such a well done series Kaylee! Their concept is really cool but truly feels like what was originally a passion project turned into a money grab…
Their explanation of it as an e commerce test basically means "we made up some extra stuff to boost the numbers on said test, to inprove results, to falsely increase our valuation and get more venture capitol based off those inflated results." Or something like that. When they call something a term like "e commerce test" it basically means "we made up a bunch of BS similar enough to what we are doing, to satisfy potential investors. The whole thing was not in reality, real at all" Or at least thats how I interpretted their response about it. Anyone else with me that 100% of "asa 1" was made up and they just redirected any interest to the similar but real product once they had the funding they needed to go forward?
TL;DR because that got long. neoplants was always the product. ASA1 was just an inflated proxy to show investors real world interest in a similar product. It never existed. The product in lab they mentioned back then, was essentially what neoplants is as a product/company. Exnatura is just a made up company and ASA1 was just an imagined product.
This totally sounds like a grandiose idea of some venture capitalists to make money, the subscription model gives it away. I much highly doubt they care about what they are taking about.
I expect " venture capitol" or investors is the key here for why they did that. It's like why some companies do kickstarts but actually get most of their funding from investors -- the kickstarter is to show it's a viable product.
35:30 Maybe they didn't include the fungi because they would persist and couldn't sell a monthly subscription for it? Whereas the bacteria would die back and need a top up (well, not really, but kinda after months)
I've been waiting for this video to drop since the last one and you did not disappoint! Totally feels like they got called out with the purple pothos thing in 2021 and then used it as an opportunity to get a butt load of data for a potential customer base. Surely if the purple pothos thing was real, someone else would have figured out a way to create it by now? It's companies like these that give me trust issues!
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I've been following Kaylee since 2019, and I hate how people keep shittalking her. Kaylee keeps being transparent, showing proof, is careful in her wording, and people just keep pushing random shit and accusations out. Shoutout to Kaylee for not bending down
Regarding the absence of the two fungal strains that showed promise in the removal of toluene (i think that's the chemical you mentioned 😅) it is probably just the fact that they need to somehow get back their investment somehow and, creating a self sufficient microbiome that needs no regular replenishment doesn't seem like a fiscally smart thing to do as a company, bc it's more profitable to keep customers reliant on your power drops 🤷♂️ though this is really just my personal thoughts on this... and I understand why the 90% efficacy is important for them to maintain, bc if their results aren't reliable in room settings, they most certainly would be obsolete if the plant/ microbiome had a filter efficiency anywhere below 90%.... again just speculation from someone that works in a lab setting from a completely different sector, but the working principal remains the same...
I think the threshold for "significantly reduced" needs to be clarified upon(by them specifically, since theyre the one making the claim, obviously) If you had electricity 90% of a year, you might be upset. 90% isn't enough for a rocket launch success rate for human spaceflight. But this is also not even anywhere close to those. My opinion is with y'all. 90% is plenty for this situation. I think they're holding plants up to a standard that's just unnecessary, merely for profit.
They've taken the "US healthcare system plus food lobby and FDA" and applied it to plants. Creating a symbiosis that ensures revenue. Whereas the drops are the food lobby, the plant is the healthcare system, and the patent office is the FDA. And people fall for it.
You’re always so dramatic and dramatized 😂 and I’m HERE for it LOL. You give me my tea fill. Reminds me of the plant version of the beauty community drama a few years back 😂
I have a few pothos plants, I've seen a few purple plants that are relatively cheap, none are pothos, but sweet potato vines have a color similar to neon pothos, or a beautiful purple color. I grew them inside, the leaf shaped are beautiful, and fun to grow.
Reading the white paper now fromm the QR code... i LOL at the bit they mentioned NASA... "dozens of potter houseplants would be needed to have an impact in a single room, which is not practical" LOL ummm I do have dozens of plants in my room.
I was wondering how their outer pot is capable of sucking in the air at a constant high speed to filter enough (meaning: what creates the gradient?) and how often do you have to top off the water reservoirs to not let the plant dry out? Just some purely practical thoughts.
I've watched the two videos, and maybe I missed it if it was mentioned (there's a lot to take in), but the studies they've been doing, have any been published in peer reviewed academic journals, or are those internal product development trials (like cosmetics companies do on their products, for instance)? Maybe it's because I come from an empirical science background (nothing to do with biology, though), but to me, when a company makes claims about a product that they're either trying to sell or are trying to raise money to develop, I find it difficult to trust any of it, as long as there's no way for anyone to double check the data. This goes double for cases like these, where they seem to think that a picture of a plant is too much information to share, in which case I'm guessing they're not likely to provide enough information to have their supposed experiments properly reviewed, let alone replicated, and so I have no reason to believe any of their claims.
I found you a couple of weeks ago. I've started going back through all your videos and just wanted to say you've grown so much and i love your content ❤
Asa 1 seems to be just a typical test of the waters for a startup, when you try to sell non-existing stuff to see the feedback and use it for the real product later. Usually though it is good to release a clear open statement about that afterwards. It's quite a tricky practice on the first place in terms of trust for the brand.
I can't say anything about the plant, but the idea of an air-purifying pot is definitely over 20 years old. The first patent based on NASA research was granted in 2002, and the first pot was launched on the market in 2014 under the name "polluSan". Its inventor and others founded "airy Green Tech GmbH" in 2015, which markets the "airy" plant pot. It is a self-watering pot that is aerated from below. Sounds familiar, doesn't it?
24:38 that graph looks so designed 😂 Like, I’m not science or mathematics person… but I am an artist with graphic design experience. And that graph is too even and pretty and perfect to be from real data. Right?? It’s an illustration of the point they’re trying to make, but I doubt it was plotted from experiment data
In science, there's something called a "Test for statistical significance", and that 10% decrease would absolutely qualify as a significant decrease. So they're being honest there, and omitting the fact that there may or may not be a significant reduction in purification. My suspicion is there is an initial die-off, so I don't expect a further 10% die off after the second four weeks. If that's the case, they're 100% selling customers something they don't need.
It feels like the real issue is that if they sold ONLY the genetically modified plant (which didn't need any special drops), people would just take cuttings, resell it, propagate it, and they couldn't control the spread after a bunch of people got their hands on it, and thus keep their revenue and monopoly on it. Even if they had a legal agreement when you bought it, it would not stop a lot of people. The company's replies overall seem really sketchy, especially when it comes to the Asa 1.
Well done Kaylee! My mind would be mush trying to figure all that out.. I don't need to buy another gadget that runs on hydro (wayyyy too expensive) I have my houseplants and furnace filters. You have a fantastic day!
I'll believe it when I see it! I don't want to shell out that kind of money for a purple pothos supposedly to clean pollutants out of the air. I believe in opening windows and doors when it's doable in my house and the best part.........it's FREE and it smells so good! I love these deep dives and this was good research on your part so bravo to you, Kaylee. Your questions were excellent to boot as well.
Kaylee i love your investigative videos this is excellent. i'm not a science-y person and i don't claim to be, but it seems like the monthly application is a way to get that return on investment. 20 million dollars? they're never going to get that return unless you have to keep purchasing again and again. Just like everything else in this world, actual benefit to people and /or the environment comes second to profit. personally i'll just continue to fill my house with an "unreasonable" amount of plants lol happy pride month!
Wow, so much clearly went into you reading and investigating this, thank you. Oo a video on colorful leaved plants (like neon pothos-calathea-transcendia types) would be delightful! I have a pal that would go WILD for a real purple pothos 🤣
This is absolutely wild. 🍿You're amazing for asking them these questions and trying to get to the bottom of it. That graph supposedly showing the decrease in bacterial population looks incredibly fake. There are no actual datapoints, which is what you typically show on a graph. They do not look like lines of best fit, calculated based on real data points that they have simply chosen not to show. They look like nothing other than simple mathematically generated curves. Each top-up and degredation cycle is identical too, which is implausible - That's not how natural systems work. It's a closed system and you just keep adding something without flushing to reset, so there'd be some kind of residual residue which would build up and most-likely either increase or decrease the speed of fall-off in bacterial numbers after later top-ups. It looks like they've just used the same formula to generate each additional curve. It doesn't look like a genuine graph based on actual study data but merely an illustration to help explain the idea of a decrease in bacterial population. Refusing to show any images of Epipremnum 'Asa 1' is also hilarious. Even if we forget all the claims of air purification, a patented purple E. aureum would be pretty groundbreaking news in the houseplant word and would be very successful on its own. If it existed, they would just show a picture of it ... nothing in a mere picture of the plant could be confidential at all, especially as they've already told us what it (supposedly) is, looks like and does. It's not as if the specific shade of purple could cause copycatting because, short of injecting dye, no one has or knows how to create a purple Epipremnum and if they're worried that people might be inspired to try, well, they've already put the idea out there with their CGI picture. Just as I wouldn't buy blue Venus flytrap seeds on Wish, I wouldn't buy anything from this company either.
Thanks for covering this, and for not parroting their marketing team. I'm never going to use a plant (even if it worked) rather than an air purifier because the mechanical filtration can handle particulate AND VOCs. My gut feel is that for some reason the purple epipremnum didn't work out and they shifted to this. I don't care about the air purifier, I'd like the purple vine please!
I am still stuck on the the petunia that had ligth. And sad about the purple photos. The air cleansing is happening with 60 plant in my living room. And 40 plants in the other rooms. I just added one more today probaæly not gonna stop.
One of my biggest takeaways is that most houseplant enthusiasts would be interested in ASA 1 for its color. So, saying it was an "e-commerce test" to gauge interest in their value proposition (air purification) isn't relevant because the interest was generated by the plant's color, not the air purifying qualities. Shady.
Just re the fungi they don’t need to include that unless it’s in the patent claims (and even then not but their patent would be a bit shakier to defend then). Not defending them here. They may have stated in 2021 that the tech was patented because they were getting positive feedback from the patent offices and patents usually take years of negotiating with patent offices before grant. They would have filed for the patent at least a year before they got it. Also it seems they have patented in multiple countries which is an extremely expensive process so they either have some very rich and silly investors or they have rich investors who know they do have something worth protecting by patent. The whole thing is intriguing
I can say that I really appreciate the effort you put into this video, well done! I enjoyed watching it even tho some things were way to scientific for me :D
so sooooo shady! purple plant obviously never existed! my questions would still be, that particular plant grows crazy, so does it need more drops as It grows? what are the long term affects on the plant if any, could the plant be compostable years down the line and not release harmful GM matter. and finally as you touched on in the last video, do the drops work the same if your fertilising with other feed, or can you not feed it? theres just no clarity to any of it.
Something bugs me. They don’t mention anything about the effects of using tap water to water your plant, because most tap water contains chlorine which kills micro-organisms. So I guess their microbiome is somehow immune to this problem?
marketing isn't that good if it was originally built from a lie 🙃 you're right, i have trouble trusting any of their claims now if they can't even prove they weren't lying in the past
Oh, and for anyone interested there IS a genetically modified purple tomato that was released a little while back. It has... snapdragon? genes added to make it purple.
Why would they even bother? There are natural heirloom tomatoes with purple/blue genes from their natural nightshade ancestry. Also.......snapdragons don't come in purple/blue so....what was the gene even for?
Not really anything. A plant patent is a temporary patent (all plant patents expire after 20 years with few exceptions) if you have a new plant all you have to do is apply for a patent and describe how it is different enough from things that already exist to warrant protection. (Honestly they don't even check any of this info, which is how sometimes old cultivars are re-patented under a different name. See; linesville arborvitae vs Mr bowlingball arborvitae. They are the same plant, just rebranded)
@@taylorhillard4868 As far as checking checking the information of a new plant vs old plant, is that in certain countries? Any new plant claims, ownership, etc. wasn't always so easy especially with big Monsanto wiping out farmers claiming they own all rights to (fill in the blank with a plant) seeds, pollen, cuttings, anything and everything many farmers were sued and lost going up against trying to grow anything that is your own.
@@sonnyalvarado768 that's a different issue. So #1, you can't make a hybrid out of a patented plant unless you get permission to do so from the patent holder. You can make new hybrids out if older cultivars that do not have patents anymore. #2, doing something like saving seed or saving potatoes for next year's crop is propagation, which is prohibited for patented plants unless you pay royalties to the patent holders. You can do those things with older cultivars, but not those with patents. The laws didn't change, people were just ignorant to them, or intentionally wished to go against them.
@@taylorhillard4868 But we are talking about patent plants which was the topic of the video post Neoplants. Some plant patents have not or are fairly new people are propagating (various methods) trying to created a new plant. In this case I don't know if that's is considered a hybrid or a cultivar since that wasn't addressed. Oh and then there's the issue of claiming ownership of seeds and plants that are not "patent" but thre's the issue old family generational growers vs patent growers (claiming almost eevery good crop/plant and their pollen, seeds belong to them).
The Asa 1 looks like such a cool plant. If they really could develop a purple pothos I would possibly purchase it, but the air cleaning claims have always been a scam and this company diving deeper into it is sketchy.
I have 206ish plants in my house, some have pubs plants in my home, If they help with the air or not I would still have them because I love my plants, 30ish are in my bedroom alone. I would still just go out and buy more plants than buy this pile of hours sh*t. I call complete and utter BS for this company and its lies.
I'm sure the first person to find or create a plant that can filter particulate matter from the air is going to win the nobel prize! If you look at plant biology, plants are not made to take up particulate matter from the air, they have no reason to. They need CO2, a gas, and sunlight, electrons. Why would they take up large particles? The best they have found so far is that plants can take up microplastics, but they go with the water via the roots. Not airborne particulate matter. So you would need to vacuum or have a dyson filter to collect the dust and particulate matter and then mix it with the soil of your plant for your plant to do something with it. For people who supposedly were working with plants at that time already, it is (in my opinion) really stupid to publish on the internet that your purple pothos is going to filter particulate matter. And it's also not that we didn't know then that things posted on the internet stick around for ever. Just all over stupid, a fake plant, with fake capabilities, to test engagement. I feel it's going to bite them in the ass. Play stupid games, win stupid prices.
Lets wait another 3-5 years and see what neoplants will do with asa-1/ exnatura next .. can’t wait to see pictures 😅 and where the heck do they come up with these names?
One word - dodgy. Dodgy company with a slick PR unit. Why sell the drops TWICE as often when it's not necessary? Gosh, I wonder why... AS usual I love your investigative content!!
Seems like an obvious grift and an example of what can happen when you completely underestimate the sophistication of your audience... Did this company think that no one would do a deep dive on this? Clearly, they don't know their audience. They could have just concentrated on creating a purple Epipremnum, I could support that, lol. Thanks, Kaylee, for the research, we appreciate the protection.
Damn can we say plant "growers" gone wild? So many people/new companies naming and renaming plants & "hybrids" from pseudo new hybrids plants. All these new plant "breeders"/sellers and implying they're botanist is all craziness and an attempt to profit off of this plant trend befor the plant bubble bust. I cannot pin point which consumers are falling for these rare. new plants and paying high price for plants that 1) Plant hybrids and cultivars take a long time to create in research and establish stable hardy plants 2) A person/company simply crossing plants with hybrids, even more bogus hybrid with hybrid doesn't mean you created a new unstable or stable plant. Without the proper documentation research to show, it is not legit. And this sense of entitlement, in which "breeders" "growers" are naming old plants as if they created a new type of plant in the genus or species is freaking ridiculous but their scam is actually working because people are actually buying "rare' "new" plants is seed and tissue without knowing if they're are consuming a frankenstein plant that can potentially be weak and prone to fungal and viral diseases.
Isn't the pothos genus patented? Are you telling me Neoplex bought the Pothos patent and are now "Re-engineering" it to make the plant work better? Talk about copyright infringement & false advertisement. Also, I believe there is a law that labels must list the genus, species, and strain of bacteria if in products sort of like yogurt, or mosquito bits.
I love the merch shake. 😂 This is all very sus. The fact they couldn’t even show you a purple leaf or even part of a leaf tells me that purple pothos clearly never existed. Like you said they’re good at marketing but that means nothing when you can’t back up your claims or the product doesn’t actually exist. I commented on the first video you did about this that they’re just trying to make some money back on a failed investment and it looks like thats true. They’ve dug themselves a $20 million hole and they’re just trying to scramble their way out with snazzy ads and subscriptions. Big yikes! Thanks for the deep dive Kaylee!
I think they are trying to use an unnecessary subscription (or perhaps frequency of subscription) to make money on a product that people probably shouldn't be bothered with in the first place. Other companies will take away features if you don't continue to pay them ongoing money. Or some companies will deliberately make something stop working after a certain time so you have to buy a new one. Or some companies will say that you need to use more of a product than you actually do so you have to buy more. And some use a slim excuse to sell a subscription you don't need or at a frequency that is greater than needed. Maybe it's because I live in the United States, but this doesn't actually strike me as unusually scammy. It just seems like the same terrible crap every company pulls.
Soon if there I a purple pothos hat no one else has, I would think $179 is quite the low ball on price wouldn't it be extremely expensive ...hmm I 5hink it's obvious that 5his is a scam
A large number of rare plant TH-cam channels have come and gone, but Kaylee keeps bringing us great content.
What is the difference between getting a patent on a plant vs creating your own hybrid (in which you can name the plant) vs creating a cultivar?
This is my kind of True Crime🍿
Haha me too 😂 Just enough drama to get me hooked, but not so intense of a topic to increase my anxiety and stress 👌
A purple pothos would be dope though. Don't really care about the air purifying, I just want a purple pothos.
Fr just sell me sweet looking plants. They focused on the wrong part of it 😂
I know no one asks but give Tradescantia pallida A chance it doesn't quite look like a posthos. Isn't big round Leaves, but it's cheap Durable and vining
@@XxarnyxXx I have given them like 5 chances, the old leaves always die off and they hate indoor life.
@@goosenotmaverick1156 for real, if I cared about that stuff I wouldn't be a smoker 🤷🏼♀️ PURPLE PLANTS FOREVER
@@gypsylee333 totally understand, I vape 😂
Also tradescantia isn't for me either lol I've tried multiple times myself.
So they basically admitted that the Asa 1 was a marketing experiment and never existed 🤣
If a company refuses to show the actual product I'm immediately going to question the quality/ existence of that product. It's like all the fake products on the cheap trash sites. If your product works/ exists you would want to show it to the customer. They don't seem to understand just how sketchy their refusal to even show the plant is. They claim transparency but this is the opposite.
I'll just stick to the "unreasonable" amount of plants in a room strategy. It's much cheaper and not a subscription trap. And I get more variety than just a golden pothos.
A small but important distinction -- in response to your first question, Neoplants sent a graph that shows the relationship of the bacterial population (measured in percentage?) over time, not a graph of effectiveness over time. Unless they sent another graph illustrating the relationship between the bacterial population and it's effectiveness, they've essentially sent you a meaningless piece of information while claiming it proves something it doesn't.
Thank you so much for this!
I have cuttings for golden pothos. My treat. No
Snake oil included.
Seriously, do you know how much pothos I gave away last week? Golden,marble queen, scindapsis (yeah yeah, I'm still calling it pothos since pothos doesn't exist anyway), cebu blue, Baltic blue.... I also have njoy and ablo...the ablo does need a clipping but I can probably actually get someone to buy those 😂
😮💨 I’m so tired of fake plant scams. This takes it to the next level with a patent and all that. But even just photoshopped plant pictures are all over Amazon, Etsy, eBay, etc. Even today I had someone on my plant forum asking if a purple variegated monstera is real because they want to buy it. I feel so bad for beginner plant hobbyists. It’s easy for us to be like “of course not!! How could that be real??” But then I think of all the amazing variegated plants that we see all the time on rare plant socials: pink princess philodendron, orange princess, red moon philodendron, monstera devil monster, etc. And even common plants: lilac tradescantia, pink syngonium, aglaonema, croton, etc, etc. If you have limited experience with plants, no wonder they see some amazing real plants and don’t think to question if scam plants might not be real
I guess the best solution I can think of is to recommend that anyone consult the internet and/or plant forums before buying an unbelievable plant. Whether it’s the color, rarity, or price that seems too good to be true, listen to the little voice of doubt and get more info before clicking buy
there was a picture of a black monstera floating around too... I had to tell a friend of mine who isn't big on indoor plants to not purchase that... it was on etsy smh
This was such a well done series Kaylee! Their concept is really cool but truly feels like what was originally a passion project turned into a money grab…
This. It angers me
Their explanation of it as an e commerce test basically means "we made up some extra stuff to boost the numbers on said test, to inprove results, to falsely increase our valuation and get more venture capitol based off those inflated results." Or something like that. When they call something a term like "e commerce test" it basically means "we made up a bunch of BS similar enough to what we are doing, to satisfy potential investors. The whole thing was not in reality, real at all"
Or at least thats how I interpretted their response about it. Anyone else with me that 100% of "asa 1" was made up and they just redirected any interest to the similar but real product once they had the funding they needed to go forward?
TL;DR because that got long. neoplants was always the product. ASA1 was just an inflated proxy to show investors real world interest in a similar product. It never existed. The product in lab they mentioned back then, was essentially what neoplants is as a product/company. Exnatura is just a made up company and ASA1 was just an imagined product.
"it was an e commerce test" is corporate-ese for "it's fake" they need to make you sign an NDA before they can spell it out any further.
This totally sounds like a grandiose idea of some venture capitalists to make money, the subscription model gives it away. I much highly doubt they care about what they are taking about.
I expect " venture capitol" or investors is the key here for why they did that. It's like why some companies do kickstarts but actually get most of their funding from investors -- the kickstarter is to show it's a viable product.
35:30 Maybe they didn't include the fungi because they would persist and couldn't sell a monthly subscription for it? Whereas the bacteria would die back and need a top up (well, not really, but kinda after months)
They probably could make more money off of a purple Epipremnum than any crap that they’re trying to pedal.
That's all I could think about the entire time I was listening to this 😂
Right??? I would buy one, but i dont need this shit
I've been waiting for this video to drop since the last one and you did not disappoint! Totally feels like they got called out with the purple pothos thing in 2021 and then used it as an opportunity to get a butt load of data for a potential customer base. Surely if the purple pothos thing was real, someone else would have figured out a way to create it by now? It's companies like these that give me trust issues!
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I've been following Kaylee since 2019, and I hate how people keep shittalking her. Kaylee keeps being transparent, showing proof, is careful in her wording, and people just keep pushing random shit and accusations out. Shoutout to Kaylee for not bending down
Regarding the absence of the two fungal strains that showed promise in the removal of toluene (i think that's the chemical you mentioned 😅) it is probably just the fact that they need to somehow get back their investment somehow and, creating a self sufficient microbiome that needs no regular replenishment doesn't seem like a fiscally smart thing to do as a company, bc it's more profitable to keep customers reliant on your power drops 🤷♂️ though this is really just my personal thoughts on this... and I understand why the 90% efficacy is important for them to maintain, bc if their results aren't reliable in room settings, they most certainly would be obsolete if the plant/ microbiome had a filter efficiency anywhere below 90%.... again just speculation from someone that works in a lab setting from a completely different sector, but the working principal remains the same...
I think the threshold for "significantly reduced" needs to be clarified upon(by them specifically, since theyre the one making the claim, obviously) If you had electricity 90% of a year, you might be upset. 90% isn't enough for a rocket launch success rate for human spaceflight.
But this is also not even anywhere close to those. My opinion is with y'all. 90% is plenty for this situation. I think they're holding plants up to a standard that's just unnecessary, merely for profit.
Yes to everything you said
They've taken the "US healthcare system plus food lobby and FDA" and applied it to plants. Creating a symbiosis that ensures revenue. Whereas the drops are the food lobby, the plant is the healthcare system, and the patent office is the FDA. And people fall for it.
You’re always so dramatic and dramatized 😂 and I’m HERE for it LOL. You give me my tea fill. Reminds me of the plant version of the beauty community drama a few years back 😂
I have a few pothos plants, I've seen a few purple plants that are relatively cheap, none are pothos, but sweet potato vines have a color similar to neon pothos, or a beautiful purple color. I grew them inside, the leaf shaped are beautiful, and fun to grow.
Reading the white paper now fromm the QR code... i LOL at the bit they mentioned NASA... "dozens of potter houseplants would be needed to have an impact in a single room, which is not practical" LOL ummm I do have dozens of plants in my room.
Me sitting here with like 200 plants.... most of which are in a small area 😂 I found that so funny too
God, you are just so straight to the point with no bs. I love your content so much
THAT IS IT. PERIOD. WE LIVE FOR YOU KAYLEE 💕💕💕💕
I was wondering how their outer pot is capable of sucking in the air at a constant high speed to filter enough (meaning: what creates the gradient?) and how often do you have to top off the water reservoirs to not let the plant dry out? Just some purely practical thoughts.
I've got about 100 plants in my kitchen and it still smells like cat ass and garlic...
😂😂😂
Maybe use your exhaust canopy. If you are maybe clean it
I like your videos! Especially that you are doing research and posting videos with alternative subjects about flowers! Keep up the good work!!
Your deep dives are always so interesting! I try to make time to watch them even if it takes a little while. Excellent work as always!
I've watched the two videos, and maybe I missed it if it was mentioned (there's a lot to take in), but the studies they've been doing, have any been published in peer reviewed academic journals, or are those internal product development trials (like cosmetics companies do on their products, for instance)?
Maybe it's because I come from an empirical science background (nothing to do with biology, though), but to me, when a company makes claims about a product that they're either trying to sell or are trying to raise money to develop, I find it difficult to trust any of it, as long as there's no way for anyone to double check the data. This goes double for cases like these, where they seem to think that a picture of a plant is too much information to share, in which case I'm guessing they're not likely to provide enough information to have their supposed experiments properly reviewed, let alone replicated, and so I have no reason to believe any of their claims.
if this was real they would be able to show adequate proof without giving away trade secrets. simple as.
I found you a couple of weeks ago. I've started going back through all your videos and just wanted to say you've grown so much and i love your content ❤
Wow, that is a serious shift to put these videos together. Kudos and thank you 💚👍
Asa 1 seems to be just a typical test of the waters for a startup, when you try to sell non-existing stuff to see the feedback and use it for the real product later.
Usually though it is good to release a clear open statement about that afterwards. It's quite a tricky practice on the first place in terms of trust for the brand.
I can't say anything about the plant, but the idea of an air-purifying pot is definitely over 20 years old. The first patent based on NASA research was granted in 2002, and the first pot was launched on the market in 2014 under the name "polluSan". Its inventor and others founded "airy Green Tech GmbH" in 2015, which markets the "airy" plant pot. It is a self-watering pot that is aerated from below. Sounds familiar, doesn't it?
24:38 that graph looks so designed 😂 Like, I’m not science or mathematics person… but I am an artist with graphic design experience. And that graph is too even and pretty and perfect to be from real data. Right?? It’s an illustration of the point they’re trying to make, but I doubt it was plotted from experiment data
I know exactly what you mean! The data is completely uniform - no lumps or bumps
Shoutout to anyone who played Neopets as a kid.
In science, there's something called a "Test for statistical significance", and that 10% decrease would absolutely qualify as a significant decrease. So they're being honest there, and omitting the fact that there may or may not be a significant reduction in purification. My suspicion is there is an initial die-off, so I don't expect a further 10% die off after the second four weeks. If that's the case, they're 100% selling customers something they don't need.
great research and presentation! wish we all had that eye to analize things people claim and things people advert/sell
It feels like the real issue is that if they sold ONLY the genetically modified plant (which didn't need any special drops), people would just take cuttings, resell it, propagate it, and they couldn't control the spread after a bunch of people got their hands on it, and thus keep their revenue and monopoly on it. Even if they had a legal agreement when you bought it, it would not stop a lot of people. The company's replies overall seem really sketchy, especially when it comes to the Asa 1.
Well done Kaylee! My mind would be mush trying to figure all that out.. I don't need to buy another gadget that runs on hydro (wayyyy too expensive) I have my houseplants and furnace filters. You have a fantastic day!
Thank you Kaylee! 💚 True journalism so we can make informed decisions. 🙏🏼
I'll believe it when I see it! I don't want to shell out that kind of money for a purple pothos supposedly to clean pollutants out of the air. I believe in opening windows and doors when it's doable in my house and the best part.........it's FREE and it smells so good! I love these deep dives and this was good research on your part so bravo to you, Kaylee. Your questions were excellent to boot as well.
Kaylee i love your investigative videos this is excellent. i'm not a science-y person and i don't claim to be, but it seems like the monthly application is a way to get that return on investment. 20 million dollars? they're never going to get that return unless you have to keep purchasing again and again. Just like everything else in this world, actual benefit to people and /or the environment comes second to profit. personally i'll just continue to fill my house with an "unreasonable" amount of plants lol happy pride month!
simple... its a bright purple toluene solution C60 and color will be drained with regular watering of blank water.
Completely out of topic, but I love the yellow eyeliner!
I admire the effort you've put into it. I love the drama❤
Wow, so much clearly went into you reading and investigating this, thank you. Oo a video on colorful leaved plants (like neon pothos-calathea-transcendia types) would be delightful! I have a pal that would go WILD for a real purple pothos 🤣
“Rainbow plants for pride month!”
This is absolutely wild. 🍿You're amazing for asking them these questions and trying to get to the bottom of it.
That graph supposedly showing the decrease in bacterial population looks incredibly fake. There are no actual datapoints, which is what you typically show on a graph. They do not look like lines of best fit, calculated based on real data points that they have simply chosen not to show. They look like nothing other than simple mathematically generated curves. Each top-up and degredation cycle is identical too, which is implausible - That's not how natural systems work. It's a closed system and you just keep adding something without flushing to reset, so there'd be some kind of residual residue which would build up and most-likely either increase or decrease the speed of fall-off in bacterial numbers after later top-ups. It looks like they've just used the same formula to generate each additional curve. It doesn't look like a genuine graph based on actual study data but merely an illustration to help explain the idea of a decrease in bacterial population.
Refusing to show any images of Epipremnum 'Asa 1' is also hilarious. Even if we forget all the claims of air purification, a patented purple E. aureum would be pretty groundbreaking news in the houseplant word and would be very successful on its own. If it existed, they would just show a picture of it ... nothing in a mere picture of the plant could be confidential at all, especially as they've already told us what it (supposedly) is, looks like and does. It's not as if the specific shade of purple could cause copycatting because, short of injecting dye, no one has or knows how to create a purple Epipremnum and if they're worried that people might be inspired to try, well, they've already put the idea out there with their CGI picture.
Just as I wouldn't buy blue Venus flytrap seeds on Wish, I wouldn't buy anything from this company either.
Thanks for covering this, and for not parroting their marketing team. I'm never going to use a plant (even if it worked) rather than an air purifier because the mechanical filtration can handle particulate AND VOCs.
My gut feel is that for some reason the purple epipremnum didn't work out and they shifted to this. I don't care about the air purifier, I'd like the purple vine please!
Good work Ms. Sherlock! 😊😊😊
thanks Kaylee!
great investigative reporting!🕵🏼♀️
I am still stuck on the the petunia that had ligth. And sad about the purple photos.
The air cleansing is happening with 60 plant in my living room. And 40 plants in the other rooms. I just added one more today probaæly not gonna stop.
The research that went into this. Wow.
One of my biggest takeaways is that most houseplant enthusiasts would be interested in ASA 1 for its color. So, saying it was an "e-commerce test" to gauge interest in their value proposition (air purification) isn't relevant because the interest was generated by the plant's color, not the air purifying qualities. Shady.
Just re the fungi they don’t need to include that unless it’s in the patent claims (and even then not but their patent would be a bit shakier to defend then). Not defending them here. They may have stated in 2021 that the tech was patented because they were getting positive feedback from the patent offices and patents usually take years of negotiating with patent offices before grant. They would have filed for the patent at least a year before they got it. Also it seems they have patented in multiple countries which is an extremely expensive process so they either have some very rich and silly investors or they have rich investors who know they do have something worth protecting by patent. The whole thing is intriguing
Love the great detective work by Kaylee!
It would be nice to see them take this as constructive criticism and be more transparent about their progress
MORE of this 🫖🍵🫖
I can say that I really appreciate the effort you put into this video, well done! I enjoyed watching it even tho some things were way to scientific for me :D
so sooooo shady! purple plant obviously never existed! my questions would still be, that particular plant grows crazy, so does it need more drops as It grows? what are the long term affects on the plant if any, could the plant be compostable years down the line and not release harmful GM matter. and finally as you touched on in the last video, do the drops work the same if your fertilising with other feed, or can you not feed it? theres just no clarity to any of it.
Me laughing with my persian shield 💜
Yasssss…..that is the only one that would come close to the look of this fake purple pothos.
Kaylee Ellen always keeping it real
Something bugs me.
They don’t mention anything about the effects of using tap water to water your plant, because most tap water contains chlorine which kills micro-organisms. So I guess their microbiome is somehow immune to this problem?
marketing isn't that good if it was originally built from a lie 🙃 you're right, i have trouble trusting any of their claims now if they can't even prove they weren't lying in the past
Oh, and for anyone interested there IS a genetically modified purple tomato that was released a little while back. It has... snapdragon? genes added to make it purple.
Why would they even bother? There are natural heirloom tomatoes with purple/blue genes from their natural nightshade ancestry. Also.......snapdragons don't come in purple/blue so....what was the gene even for?
Purple passion is only Purple plant I'll ever need, it's fuzzy and has a multichrome look because it's actually green with purple fuzz
What is the difference between getting a patent on a plant vs creating your own hybrid (in which you can name the plant) vs creating a cultivar?
Not really anything. A plant patent is a temporary patent (all plant patents expire after 20 years with few exceptions) if you have a new plant all you have to do is apply for a patent and describe how it is different enough from things that already exist to warrant protection.
(Honestly they don't even check any of this info, which is how sometimes old cultivars are re-patented under a different name. See; linesville arborvitae vs Mr bowlingball arborvitae. They are the same plant, just rebranded)
@@taylorhillard4868 As far as checking checking the information of a new plant vs old plant, is that in certain countries? Any new plant claims, ownership, etc. wasn't always so easy especially with big Monsanto wiping out farmers claiming they own all rights to (fill in the blank with a plant) seeds, pollen, cuttings, anything and everything many farmers were sued and lost going up against trying to grow anything that is your own.
@@sonnyalvarado768 that's a different issue. So #1, you can't make a hybrid out of a patented plant unless you get permission to do so from the patent holder. You can make new hybrids out if older cultivars that do not have patents anymore.
#2, doing something like saving seed or saving potatoes for next year's crop is propagation, which is prohibited for patented plants unless you pay royalties to the patent holders. You can do those things with older cultivars, but not those with patents.
The laws didn't change, people were just ignorant to them, or intentionally wished to go against them.
@@taylorhillard4868 But we are talking about patent plants which was the topic of the video post Neoplants. Some plant patents have not or are fairly new people are propagating (various methods) trying to created a new plant. In this case I don't know if that's is considered a hybrid or a cultivar since that wasn't addressed. Oh and then there's the issue of claiming ownership of seeds and plants that are not "patent" but thre's the issue old family generational growers vs patent growers (claiming almost eevery good crop/plant and their pollen, seeds belong to them).
I'd love someone to get Dr. Elaine Ingham and the soil food web folks to look at this
Kaylee Ellen on the case 🧐🙌🏼 !!! 😊
Got a huge female b*oner over this. Love your ferocity and knowledge and effort to get to the truth and protect us all. What a woman 🤩
The Asa 1 looks like such a cool plant. If they really could develop a purple pothos I would possibly purchase it, but the air cleaning claims have always been a scam and this company diving deeper into it is sketchy.
Sooo, that purple epipremnum doesnt exist? Thats a bummer
I have 206ish plants in my house, some have pubs plants in my home, If they help with the air or not I would still have them because I love my plants, 30ish are in my bedroom alone. I would still just go out and buy more plants than buy this pile of hours sh*t. I call complete and utter BS for this company and its lies.
I'm sure the first person to find or create a plant that can filter particulate matter from the air is going to win the nobel prize! If you look at plant biology, plants are not made to take up particulate matter from the air, they have no reason to. They need CO2, a gas, and sunlight, electrons. Why would they take up large particles? The best they have found so far is that plants can take up microplastics, but they go with the water via the roots. Not airborne particulate matter. So you would need to vacuum or have a dyson filter to collect the dust and particulate matter and then mix it with the soil of your plant for your plant to do something with it.
For people who supposedly were working with plants at that time already, it is (in my opinion) really stupid to publish on the internet that your purple pothos is going to filter particulate matter. And it's also not that we didn't know then that things posted on the internet stick around for ever. Just all over stupid, a fake plant, with fake capabilities, to test engagement. I feel it's going to bite them in the ass. Play stupid games, win stupid prices.
Thank you
Lets wait another 3-5 years and see what neoplants will do with asa-1/ exnatura next .. can’t wait to see pictures 😅 and where the heck do they come up with these names?
One word - dodgy. Dodgy company with a slick PR unit. Why sell the drops TWICE as often when it's not necessary? Gosh, I wonder why...
AS usual I love your investigative content!!
On the next episode of Planting schemes with Kaylee Ellen...
The Chakrabarty patent has expired so they could use it FYI. This is all such interesting plant drama !
I’ve been seeing a lot of AI generated plants on Facebook lately! Purple hostas for example 🤦♀️🇨🇦
these “drops” most likely keep the plants purple lmao. that’s why we “have” to utilize it. 🤔🤣
This plant seems to be very good at removing their over claims once it was questioned
Seems like an obvious grift and an example of what can happen when you completely underestimate the sophistication of your audience... Did this company think that no one would do a deep dive on this? Clearly, they don't know their audience. They could have just concentrated on creating a purple Epipremnum, I could support that, lol. Thanks, Kaylee, for the research, we appreciate the protection.
Investigative journalism… like a boss
They have a concept of a purple plant.
Should've just focus on selling the drops
Or the cool purple Pothos.. I’d buy either independently. The plant definitely, the drops as a one off to try.
Damn can we say plant "growers" gone wild? So many people/new companies naming and renaming plants & "hybrids" from pseudo new hybrids plants. All these new plant "breeders"/sellers and implying they're botanist is all craziness and an attempt to profit off of this plant trend befor the plant bubble bust. I cannot pin point which consumers are falling for these rare. new plants and paying high price for plants that 1) Plant hybrids and cultivars take a long time to create in research and establish stable hardy plants 2) A person/company simply crossing plants with hybrids, even more bogus hybrid with hybrid doesn't mean you created a new unstable or stable plant. Without the proper documentation research to show, it is not legit. And this sense of entitlement, in which "breeders" "growers" are naming old plants as if they created a new type of plant in the genus or species is freaking ridiculous but their scam is actually working because people are actually buying "rare' "new" plants is seed and tissue without knowing if they're are consuming a frankenstein plant that can potentially be weak and prone to fungal and viral diseases.
This was amazing! 😂
Hats off for your research!! That was deep! Ever thought of being a lawyer? 😁
You have no idea how good she would be 😉
Isn't the pothos genus patented? Are you telling me Neoplex bought the Pothos patent and are now "Re-engineering" it to make the plant work better? Talk about copyright infringement & false advertisement. Also, I believe there is a law that labels must list the genus, species, and strain of bacteria if in products sort of like yogurt, or mosquito bits.
All brought to you by food coloring and wait for it coming soon the science of glow sticks in plants!
But Kaylee... e-Commerce test: We lied. Made sh!t up to see if people would even want something like that.
I love the merch shake. 😂 This is all very sus. The fact they couldn’t even show you a purple leaf or even part of a leaf tells me that purple pothos clearly never existed. Like you said they’re good at marketing but that means nothing when you can’t back up your claims or the product doesn’t actually exist. I commented on the first video you did about this that they’re just trying to make some money back on a failed investment and it looks like thats true. They’ve dug themselves a $20 million hole and they’re just trying to scramble their way out with snazzy ads and subscriptions. Big yikes! Thanks for the deep dive Kaylee!
People clearly don‘t know how pigments in plants work. There will never be a purple Epipremnum aureum or a pink variegated Monstera
Drag them, Kaylee!
Their videos dont even allow comments, so bold of them to complain that you "Deleted" theirs....
the purple pothos is straight up fake. they were so cagey about it.
I think they are trying to use an unnecessary subscription (or perhaps frequency of subscription) to make money on a product that people probably shouldn't be bothered with in the first place. Other companies will take away features if you don't continue to pay them ongoing money. Or some companies will deliberately make something stop working after a certain time so you have to buy a new one. Or some companies will say that you need to use more of a product than you actually do so you have to buy more. And some use a slim excuse to sell a subscription you don't need or at a frequency that is greater than needed.
Maybe it's because I live in the United States, but this doesn't actually strike me as unusually scammy. It just seems like the same terrible crap every company pulls.
Soon if there I a purple pothos hat no one else has, I would think $179 is quite the low ball on price wouldn't it be extremely expensive ...hmm I 5hink it's obvious that 5his is a scam
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Me waiting for NeoPlant's response 🍿
Neoplants is the Theranos of the plant market 😭
YAY