Why less is more with the Porsche 911 - The Perfect 992? | 4k
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- I get my hands on this base Porsche 992, is this the best 911 package for the road? This particular press car has the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S (N marked) tyres on it too!
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Running Order of this video;
00:00 Intro
03:59 The tyres
05:19 Interior
09:15 Launch control
10:57 On the road
21:22 It's rivals
25:28 Conclusion
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So 3.5 seconds to 60mph & 180mph top speed from the base spec model. Why would you need anything quicker?
I absolutely love the semi-retro interior. Interiors on new cars is mostly "too much" with their swooping lines to every direction and spaceship looking details everywhere
One reason I preferred the 991.2.
Heated 18 way seats, cruise control, DAB radio, and TPMS are my must haves. Every time I watch a 911 review it makes me realise how lucky I am to have one. It's all the car you need.
Did you just say '18 way seats' and 'must have' in the same sentence? 🤣
@@1993j”cruise control”
@@1993j Doctors orders 😄 lack of adjustability on the 4 way means pain after only a short period of time.
What's a dab
@@ahmadi3718 You'll know if you've had one 😃
Excellent review! Really appreciated you pointing out the nuances (lack of tire noise and being able to hear the engine and exhaust sounds better, etc.) and comparisons to M4, M2 and other Porsches. This base model would be a contender for an all around one car stable. I like that it seems to provide a pure driving experience and closer to an analog car of the past. The simplicity is a nice antidote to the complexity of today.
Quality TH-cam reviews (like this one) assisted me tremendously in optioning my 992 C2...taking me from $18K of options initially identified to about $6K final build (leather everywhere being over $4K of that)....and the remainder under $1K items like extended range fuel tank, ambient lighting, folding mirrors, dash cam pre wiring). the car offers so much the extras are not needed IMO
Quality content Joe, 4k camera work is brilliant, keep up the great work mate.
Michelins are masterful at reducing road noise and improving ride quality. I had a set of Pirelli’s on my MK7 GTI and didn’t think road noise was an issue until I switched to Michelins. The difference was staggering… like going from a Honda Fit to a Mercedes S-Class. And they (AS4’s) last a long time: My GTI has 320 hp and 350 lbs./ft of torque and after a year the fronts are still at 8/10ths. Great in the dry, wet… every condition. They’re $100-300 more for a set but totally worth it.
Just got a preowned 992 C2S ... and what a machine ... wow. Great impressions and thanks for sharing :)
Joe, I bought my 992 CARRERA in Sept 2021 (MY2022). There were only 6 registered in the UK that year. I was loaned a GTS when my car went in for an update and I was afraid I would be disappointed afterwards. I wasn’t. I love my CARRERA. It’s a truely great and excited car. There is nothing BASE about it, although I did specify quite a lot of extras, which were unnecessary but just stroking my ego. Best car I have ever owned. I just love it. Great review of a great car. Thank you.
Great review. SOOO glad you focussed on steering feel as BMW have totally forgotten about this and most reviewers sadly ignore this key aspect to give a favourable review and not get blacklisted by manufacturers.
Like many, I grew up with the 911 as my dream car. Owned a 991.2 C2 a few years back and loved it. Purchased it with 12k miles for $77k. Fast forward to 2 years ago and I purchased a 992 C2S new. Ordered it and got a $5k discount off MSRP. The dynamics of the new 911 are great but the new car prices are absolutely delusional. I was Porsche’s biggest fan 2 years ago and prior but no way would I pay $125k for a decently option base 911.
The dynamics are fantastic with the new 911 but the engine sound is just bad. The interior is nice but then again it should be at that price point! The BMW M2, M3, and M4 are way better values. I have since owned a new 2023 M3 xDrive and now an M8 which I bought used in perfect condition with warranty and a 40% discount on MSRP. The interior of the 911 does not hold a candle to the M8. The M3 interior is also just as good as good as the 911 and it will hang with a 911 C2S all day on the street as far as performance goes (my C2S was $135k which would be $150k now and my M3 was $85k).
My advice having owned these models, unless you are filthy rich and money is no object at all, avoid a 911. Get a Cayman, Boxster, or an M car. Spoken from someone who had 911 posters on his wall growing up. They are completely overrated for the price and the 4.0 in the Cayman or Boxster sounds way better than all non naturally aspirated 911’s. They are also just more fun to drive period.
Cayman gts is best p value now imo.
@@carminered funny story, the first 911 I ever drove was a 991.1 C4. At that time I was leasing a 718 Cayman base with a manual. Jumping straight from the Cayman to the 911 (a $60k MSRP vs a $120k MSRP) I was bewildered how well my Cayman stacked up to it!
@@jgway9980 And that's probably why the new Cayman will be graded down to electric. So it doesn't take away the sales numbers from the 911.
@@colla555 great point. Going to be interesting if Porsche sticks with their EV plan with Taycan prices slumping.
for a turbo charged engine, the new 992 sounds really really good.
sounds naturally aspirated. Although I do agree with the interior bit, the m3/m4 don't sound nearly as good.
Awesome video. You have a way of conveying the actual driving/ownership experience that’s just excellent - similar to your GT3 Touring vid (a must-watch for anyone interested in that car) which provided even more detail of how the car felt in your chatting and comparing impressions with Patrick.
On the options, there’s a lot of very expensive pieces of black things that one could add to the exterior that I could live without. The standard wheels are also fine. I would spend the £500 for two-tone interior, which really lifts the look compared with black-on-black-on-black and is some bargain elegance compared with the more exotic colour/material options that can add up to £20k+! If I were feeling flush, I might have the glass roof too.
Paint colour is obviously often optioned… I actually don’t mind the no-charge yellow on the press car, and something I might be alone in moaning about is that UK number plates can really spoil a look sometimes. The yellow rear plate can stand out horribly against some colours - not a problem on the yellow press car! And, interestingly, if you look at the Porsche configurator’s rear views you’ll find that they change the colour of the number plate to exactly match the paint colour you choose - so perhaps it isn’t just a me thing!
Superb review Joe of all the performance anyone could ever need surely! A stunning car, looks gorgeous in yellow too! Reduced tyre roar is always a massive bonus! Loving your content Joe, more Porsche please ! lol. Cheers. PS Sorry to say, BMW will never compete with this! Enjoy the race.
Great review Joe - you made a compelling case for 'less is more' !
2 options are a must have IMO: Pan roof and Bose. Especially for resale values. Personally I’d change the tips to quads too 👌🏼
Yep, would also add Sport exhaust..
@@jastallion45 I’d argue it’s an expensive option and still sounds a bit muted.
From factory you can't get quad tips on a base, would need to be an S. Sport exhaust is double ovals on all Carrera models.
@@MacellaioNeroou can get quad exhaust tips on the base from the factory in the U.K. they are about £560 extra
@@stevebaldwin5390 Ah, my wrong. Didn't realise you could get sport tailpipes without the exhaust system. They're £629.
Joe, it continues to impress me immensely how through your reviews are! All bases covered, from on road manners, in cabin creature comforts & worthy purchase competition - all the way to little niggles that will erk a potential owner, day to day. Thanks so much!🚗
Good honest review Joe 👍. Thanks for sharing
Brilliant Joe! I fully agree, what more?
Another positive factor for such acceleration is how light it is! Cheers, Tom.
Thank you for such an amazing video! Is amazing to see how capable the base 911 is
Another great review Joe, once again a step up on your production and content.
And I love my base (manual) 997.2 👌
Cheers Pete ❤️
As ever, great review Joe👏👏👏
Porsche. Kicking ass with tiny little flat sixes for 60 years! Beeindruckend! ;-)
Thumbs up at the end was so cool! Great vid JA
Agree with you Joe base models are often overlooked. My standard TT roadster does everything well and it is possible to have fun at legal speeds
I’ve just found your channel Joe, great review and love the new 992!! An absolute weapon 🤣👌🏽🧨
I love my base, I have had it 6 months already and I am still having tremendous fun every time I drive it.
I kept my base 992 build as simple as possible. Sport Exhaust, 20/21”Carrera classic wheels, Sport Chrono, GT wheel, 18 way seats (heated/cooled). No sunroof or driver aids (blindspot/active cruise)
Very enjoyable review Joe, thank you.
Great video Joe. Half the problem with waiting for a new 992, and it is a wait, is there are so many options to keep playing with and trying to get a test drive in the actual model you've ordered is not always possible because dealers have so few of them.... They're all on waiting lists. One day. One day the dream will come.
Yes live the dream and show patience!. It will come true!
Yes it will….I’m living proof !
After almost 2 1/2 years, I took delivery of my nicely optioned 2023 911 in April.
And WHAT A CAR !!
It is everything represented here and more….
I had never even driven a 911 before ordering this one.
I had Corvettes and a very nice BMW 330i. ( which I still have.)
This car is so far and away more satisfying in every way than anything before it.
Comfortable, fast, sounds incredible, looks even better……it’s simply fabulous.
Get on an allocation list and be prepared for the thrill of your life !!
Thanks very much for your honesty…and not just praising the „higher“ models. Instead a really differentiated view on topics not often spoken about. 👍🏼
Another great review Joe. 👍
3.5 seconds 0-60 in the base 911 Carrera is nuts. It is perfectly quick for the base model, and the traction you got was great, since that engine is slung over the rear axle to plant that car to the ground very well.
Great review Joe, I watch every 911 I can and tbh I get so sick of some of them...Its refreshing to hear someone state just how good the 911 Carrera is (I hate the word "base" there is nothing base about a 911). There are many people who buy 911 only as a resale tool and stop real enthusiasts getting them, they also go on about it having to be a manual, or a GTS "sweet spot".. so look past the Carrera... I am also happy on the review of the tyres as mine has P Zeros from factory and they are noisy, I may well change to Michelin when they are ready for change..I do however have the 20/21 set up on mine as I opted to go for a few options in the configurator. Keep up the great work from a fellow Brit in Canada.
I’m not sure what you’re on about… 99% of reviewers absolutely gush over every trim of 911. Nothing against the reviewer but he basically says the exact same thing as every other reviewer. You must be looking in a different corner of the inter webs than I….
Option no. 1 for me was the electric folding side mirrors (yes - standard on an Audi A1 but a £276 extra in this!!). With the now relatively wide 992 and so many narrow B roads I spend half the time these days folding the side mirrors in and out. Probably paranoia but helps me sleep better at night.
Good call on the folding mirrors for UK roads.
I've configured a T and a GTS.
Both must haves are bucket seats, Bose and roof rack provisions. Also the corresponding interior trim package.
Manual for the T auto with the works for the GTS. Aero kit and carbon roof for the GTS.
Thank you for such a great review, Joe! You nailed it. The base 992 C2/4 is such a brilliant piece of kit and THE daily combo for whatever you have planned. Driven the GTS & GT3 992 I have to admit that between the GTS and the base Carrera the difference is not that impressive, in fact with the GTS you always feel like you are sort of a bit too much. A bit too much tyre noise, engine etc. Everyone who is debating and out of principle refuse to look into the base 992 have never really driven the lineup. In my POV, only the GT3 makes this significant leap forward in terms of experience that is worth an investment. A side of that, you are perfectly of with the base model and invest the money better in a great spec such as sport exhaust, RS Rims and sport exterier package. You'll have a lovely combo. I am actually looking into this currently and its good to hear that someone else has the same experience. Have a great week. Cheers.
Great video thanks Joe
Fantastic video. Thanks!
Great review 💪🏻
What a great review 👍
To my opinion you ask the wrong question. “Is it worth It?
Same with a € 10.000 Louis Vuitton handbag (excuse me). The question should be are people willing to put their money on the table for it. The obvious answer is yes. The Porsche brand and the 911 Image are priceless.
I was waiting to hear your opinion of the base carrera (in my country, the base version is not with leather interior) and also about the tire noises... thanks, great vid as always, cheers mate.
Loving that you appreciate the base "Margarita" of the 911's 👌🏼
Beautiful ride.i own a racing yellow 991.1 with the glass roof and always get thumbs up here in a scottsdale, AZ. 👍👍👍. Great video
Glass sunroof, C2S wheels, Bose, sports seats (regret not getting them), extended fuel tank, sport exhaust, sport chrono (only for launch control) but could do without.
Base 992 911 Carrera: Must have Options. 1. Full Leather 2. Sports Seat Plus (4-way), Burmester HiFi, ..
3. LCA Lane Change Assist. 4. Dashcam (Front & Rear) 5. Ambient Lite Pkg. 6. Prep. Roof Transport. 7. Metallic Paint ..... Done. .. Cheers, M/S Vail, Colorado
P.S., Present P-cars: '98 Carrera S 993 & Frau's 2015 Cayman GTS 981. . Both ordered new. .. The 993 will leave me when my cold dead hands say so ....
I think the Carrera S is the best package they make for a daily driver. I know the GTS gets all of the sweet spot coverage but the S had almost as much guts and a much better ride. The GTS is better on a track but a daily driver spends almost no time there. The base 911 is awesome. Make mine a Carrera S Cabriolet with PDK - Cue the haters!
That’s what I have on order. Should now be a 992.2.
@@MoJoAssetsOrdered or allocation ? If it’s ordered, you would know if it’s a .2.
I’m doubting it’s a 992.2…..too soon.
Irrespective of that, you’ll love it.
Exactly the same engine as the s and GTS. Only difference ( besides cost ) is the size of the turbos.
If for some reason 385 hp PDK isn’t enough for you, ( it will be ) a simple turbo upgrade can put you at 500 hp overnight.
@@MoJoAssetsMy bad……2024 should be the 992.2 release.
I love my 2021 Carrera S Cabriolet with PASM, PDCC, all wheel steering, but my buddy, the 7 speed manual trans. I love to be a part of my car, not a PDK passenger.
Thanks for the video as always buddy!
Great car but the pricing is totally getting out of hand 😢 not only for Porsches though. With that said a base 911 is a really great package.
Considering the service fees etc the overall cost becomes quite high. But I guess the target buyers are not that cost sensitive 😊
I would opt for other wheels, tinted windows, nicer exhaust and better stereo
Panoramic sunroof (a must), front sport fascia, Bordeaux interior, Chalk exterior, Chalk interior dashboard/center console accents and metal plated gas cap. Manual shift if I were proficient. 😎👍
Without going on the configurator, minimum option adds (unless now included as standard) are auto-dimming mirrors, 18 way seats, led pdls headlamps, adaptive cruise (if its a pdk, which the base has to be), probably a different wheel choice, reversing camera. Axle lift would be useful.
I agree Joe. The base car is so capable, especially as a road car.
Nice review from M-Head Man )) My daily driver is 991 TTS and I'm seriously thinking about winter daily between M3 G80 and RS4...(when I was younger I drove M3 E36, M Coupe, M5 E39, and S8, S4...)
I’m picking up my new 2024 Black 911 on Tuesday
So excited
Great review Joe, bought a base 992 10 months ago, had to wait a year. Bought the base so I could drive it and rev it out. The S was just tooo fast!
I’ve always loved the base spec 911 Carreras for their purity. The 911 distilled.
Great review Joe
I had a Base 992 with 20/21 wheels which was on Goodyears. The tyre noise the UK was awful, driving smooth on European roads transformed the car and the tyre noise was much reduced ( Michelins weren't available at the time).
Option wise, after 3 euro trips, I'd go...
Glass sunroof
Noise reducing glass
Sport chrono
Bose
Camera
18 way seats.
Sports exhaust
A great car!
You covered most of the standard features of the Carrera T. So perhaps that’s the car to get?
@@jdhillon787uk dealers are saying the T was a limited run and are now unavailable
Very well Explained 👍
What a video! Maybe a carrera T with manual is the real sweet spot but in Belgium it is 10k more expensive than this version!
Great review Joe, seriously considering this car but $100k (before markup) is nuts
I just took delivery of a 2023 - it has amazing acceleration.
Very much agree with your comments about the base model, but would like a manual. Also I’m concerned the 911 is just getting to big. I’d like it to be a foot shorter and 500 pounds lighter. Or the size it was 25 years ago.
The Color is perfect 💯
Well done mate.
Love my 992C after Stage 1 APR, 490 hp makes it perfect. I put 8.5k miles on it so far this year.
Indeed, all the Porsche you'll ever need 😊
Fantastic review of a great car. Here’s a comparison for you though. If you had around £100k burning a hole, would you go base 911 992 or 911 GT3 997?
I have a base boxster 981.
Absolutely love it.2.7 flat six great little car.
i think 100k for that yellow beast is great value, one day i will have one.❤❤❤Great video joe.
Extended fuel tank and front lift are the only things I would consider on a base 911, from a driver's car perspective.
I'd go for bigger wheels but that's only because I'm vain that way. Great Video Joe.
I love the shots of the dead bugs on the bumper. Showing real driving and not wasting time cleaning the bugs off for a shot!
Very nice video....thanks...
Heya Joe! Absolutely love the content for many years now, even back to the 730d Chauffeuring days. What type of mounts do you use for the gopros?
My must-have upgrades in every car as a daily:
- wireless Apple CarPlay w/ induction charging
- keyless entry
- heated front window (somehow that’s pretty rare)
- autom. dimming mirrors
- dark rear windows
- decent audio system
- classic cruise control
… I guess that’s it. And usually I’d pick way more in the configuratior, just as you mentioned 😂
He was asking what singular option you'd want on a 911. You just listed a bunch of crap that no serious performance car driver would care about, much less someone that knows 911s.
@@glock22357 his question was indeed related to the 911, but he didn’t ask for a single option, he asked for „my“ must-have options. And I’d want these options in a daily used 911. These aren’t necessary in a track car which is quite obvious.
@@Nordheide You listed nothing that is specific to a 911. Nothing. Clearly, you don't even know what options are and are not available, or are standard, on a 911. You just listed some generic crap that has nothing to do with a 911.
Seriously, you think heated "front windows" are rare? You mean the fucking windshield? Dark rear windows? You mean tinting?
What are you, 98 years old? Want to make sure there's a hand-crank option for your 911?
What a video this is👏
T or S in MT are the sweet spot for even more driving focus feeling.
I love all of the stares of admiration coming from the school kids!
I couldn't agree more Joe, 911s are very nice but to me either you go for the very best like the GT3 and the Turbos, or you stay close to base (Namely, I would like the 911 Carrera T 🌚❤️)
Joe, I have a 2022 Cayman GTS 4.0, which I daily in Northern California.
I drove a fairly limited spec 2022 C and it left me sort of meh. The GTS 4.0 is seriously good and lots of fun.
Anyone who is thinking about a base Carrera should also test drive a GTS 4.0
Excellent review
The Cayman is no doubt the better drivers car and the GTS 4.0 has more power and you can get a full spec one for less than the 911 with nothing.
I absolutely agree. There is no point in a base 911 when you can buy a GTS 4.0 for basically the same price, except when you’re an old grandpa.
@@Nordheideexcept my kids won’t fit in a Cayman 😂
@@PetrolheadTours kids shouldn’t be transported in a 911 either, you have Panameras for that 😂
@@Nordheide my kids love our 911 😁
Theres something fabulously pure about the base 911.
Great review really enjoyed it.👍In most cases, the Base 911 model is more than one can chew unless you are going on the race track. Most people who generally criticize everything about the Base 911 Carrera can't even afford one.
I'd really like to see you now review the Carrera T, thats alot of car for not that much more than the base car. On a base car, I'd just spec 4 way Sports seats plus and a heated steering wheel.
Great review Joe! All the 911 you need. Such large price increases in such a short time period will either lead to discounts, or heavy depreciation in the future - unless they massively restrict supply.
They are seriously constrained on the manufacturing side. At least that’s what my guy at the AD says.
@@JeffJacquesmd they have actually just created more capacity by moving Cayman and Boxster production, so in theory they can ramp up 911 production - if they choose to do so.
A discount will be due once the facelift is revealed.
@@richardlabeja😂😂😂😂😂
The price rises are generally in line with inflation so don’t represent price “rises” at all.
Hi Joe great video as usual I wanted to ask a question on the the tire wall it says PS/4S and after it says NAO is that how you would identify its made especially for 911/992 ? If not could you tell me how I can as I'm in the market for a set for mine as P zero don't cut the mustard for me personally
Sports exhaust and front axle lift are must options for me.
Great review Joe! How are the standard headlights? would you upgrade it to the Matrix LED setup?
I own a 992 base Cabriolet. It's a great car. I choose the full leather interior, 18-way adjustable seats, adaptive headlights, heated seats, BOSE, sport exaust system, suround view, wider wheels (20/21) and some more. The base engine responds quicker (due to smaller turbos) to the throttle, I prefer it over the "S" model. I have the Goodyear tyres and I'm very happy with them ( we have good roads in Switzerland).
I'm in the UK and wondering whether I should spec a base Cab or C4 Cab. As the need for AWD in Switzerland is probably greater than in the UK, except the roads in the UK are bad, do you have any thoughts? The cost difference isn't really an issue; like you I want the base engine with the smaller turbos.
My must have options on a 911 are Bose sound system, moon roof, sport chrono, and PASM if available.
Such a great review! As a GTS owner, the base is the one to get. It’s a shame it doesn’t come in manual.
Get the T
Do you miss the Limited Slip?
@@HailCaesar-lm4bq Carrera T is NOT available anymore...!
@@luigirigattoni9648It is back Sir
@@luigirigattoni9648 they just came out with it this year in Usa
I'd just take nicer wheels and prob the Bose. Great work Joe.
Dear @JoeAchilles1, thanks again for such a great video. One question springs to mind, if it was your money would you go for a base M2 G87 or ditto 992?
Adaptive cruise
Jack of all trades. The perfect Sportscar.
911 is the greatest car ever made ❤❤❤
I love the 911, maybe if I had a chance to get a 964 RS or 993 turbo I would get one, but the best modern Porsche is a six cylinder Boxster/Cayman. It hurts to admit that but it’s true.
Most of the 992 goodness is baked in to the base. Great engine but hobbled by the open diff. Smaller wheels and taller tires improve comfort but reduce grip. No manual available reduces driver involvement. No sports exhaust so maybe too quiet for some. I think actually that the S is the best overall road package. More power but not crazy like the Turbo S, manual option not available on Turbo or Turbo S, sports chrono allows suspension tuning on the go. Sports package upgrades the suspension further, bigger wheels means a larger contact patch for increased grip. If you ever drive challenging roads quickly that extra $15k over a base is well spent.
You have to have a Bose system in a 992. It’s very noisy in the cabin (mine is cabriolet). The Bose is a must have.
those rear wheels are really sunkin' in man #spacers.
The thing that immediately pops up is 18 way adjustable seats. Carbon fibre ones are exquisite, but are barely adujstable. Most of the stuff that's onesize or not adjustable doesn't fit me at all. Oh and a manual, of course.
Whats your opinion on the acoustic glass? Do you reckon its worth choosing?
I would go for a T.
Manual.
Yes, I know, PDK is the faster car.
T, adaptive sportsseats, liftsystem at the frontaxale, 90l fuel tank, adaptive lights (no Matrix, automatic dimming mirros, eletrical folding mirros, GT steering wheel in alcantara (racetex), surround cams, lane changing assist, dashcam preparation, Bose.
The main question to burn money is color and interior trim.
aetnablue plus the T-Interiorpackage
And yes, the "naked" 911 is enough.
Had one of these at the very beginning of the production for a week. White, no options. And missed nothing.