The MPC Drama Continues...
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Ave does a great job of convincing people that he has no idea what he's talking about
i remember he replied to me about DACs and said it stood for "digital audio convertor" instead of analog, and said that old sampler DACs like on the Aka s900 were just software. I was stunned that a guy who uses this gear and talks about it on youtube knows so little.
@landonh3535 he's clueless, I looked through the comments on that video, so many people trying to explain to him that having the volume pots at the same clock position on two different pieces of equipment that were built 2 decades apart from each other does not mean they are outputting the same volume, but he just can't seem to wrap his head around the idea 😂 while just being straight up rude and condescending in his replies, the guy is becoming insufferable at this point
@@clrs6576finally someone other then me says it ..but ya hit the nail on the head there
@@landonh3535 Akai950 ran by software?hahahahahahahahaha..What sampler existed in Earth did that back then?
it's over after he said the reviwers need to give good reviews in order to get more paid reviews in the future. that's corruption.
Akai should send him a special MPC with the volume knob that goes to 11 to see what he will say.
Send him an MPC with a helmet lmao..
actually to 9. so he sets it at 5 which is 6.
His example is flawed off top because he didnt sample the sounds directly into each unit. He transferred files to the 3000 via floppy. If hes not sampling directly into the unit, its a waste a time.
Like a 5 db difference 😂😂 wow. When I was in school, my teacher often would play us the same song twice , each a different mix,then asked us which one sounds better, (only being a volume difference 1 is louder) , everyone always pick the one that's louder and that will always happen because in our head if its louder it's better
Yeah that's why a lot of people overcompress... fukn auto gain
This even works if you only use one clip and do it right in front of people.
Same here "louder is better" theory
If you pop the volume knob off, rotate it slightly counterclockwise and then put it back on, the 3000 will hit harder at the same volume.
“These go to 11” (Nigel Tufnel, Average McGee)
Underrated comment
He's not wrong...I compared some hi-hats from the 3000 to a hot pocket I cooked in the microwave and the hot pocket was crispier.
😂
Yeah but did it hit harder? That's what we tryna figure out
@@clrs6576well the pepperoni goes hard
I've been in the MPC community for fifteen years and the only constant is drama. It literally dates back to before the MPC 1000 and before Akai was acquired by Numark.
Nothing can match the hell scape that is MPC FORUMS.
Seriously it's so annoying when adults like us just want info on how to push this tech father and use it to its fullest capabilities. I don't come on here for MTV type drama. It's so lame and childish.
Ppl in drama over this shit meanwhile I'm just chilling with Maschine like nope dat ain't none of our business 😂 😂
Many people have spent many thousands of dollars in new outboard gear since this MPC/analog/sound quality debate came to the fore a few months ago. They're "identity-committed", now.
Dibiase and Ave Mcree are in two different categories. TH-cam gear review "producers" make uninspired music because they're not focused on making honest music, they're focused on the gear. That seemes to be Dibiase's original point. People think good gear will make good music FOR THEM.
Thelonious Monk wrote some of the greatest music in history on his upright piano in his living room. One single instrument and a piece of paper. That's only one example.
Exposing Internet/ Digital narcissists … one day at a time .
I was literally yelling at TH-cam while watching the Ave video haha. So bad! I own a MPC3000 and I can tell you that there is a difference between the older Roger Linn era units and anything from the MPC2000 on. Not just the converters etc. They also have different sequencers. The older MPC 60/ii and MPC3000 have a natural swing to them. Even with no swing added. You can hear how the snare kinda rolls on the beat vs being right on the grid. Not enough people talk about the magic Roger Linn swing. That’s another reason why the null test was far from from being null and the clips might have not lined up perfectly in the first place. Anyway, love your content!
Dudes like this will NEVER get it....smh
Man are your really going to bring back the old “Mpc swing” debate. Man you really want to set the comment section on fire. Lol
@@theprofilelost I’m only speaking on what I know. If people can’t deal with it that’s their fault haha.
A lot of people can’t hear the difference or have never owned a Roger Linn era MPC. To me the natural swing is the only real reason to buy a MPC 3000 over the newer units. It’s one of the main reasons DJ Premier still cooks’on a MPC 60 II. I still own a bunch of vintage samplers. I’m just glad most have more than tripled in value over the lasted 3years. Good luck doing that with newer machines or a daw haha.
I'm sitting here trying to listen to the difference in sound quality on a pixel with no head phones in a warehouse 😂.
This kinda feels like the hip hop producer version of the "This amp goes to 11" bit from Spinal Tap.
I unsubscribed Ave a while back, I felt each video I watched I got dumber and dumber.
"Earn your stripes" bro dibiase won a red bull beat battle judged by MF DOOM more than a decade ago
that sounds like earning your beat making stripes to me
I really used to like Ave, but after his beef with Benn Jordan, I stopped watching his shit.
If you’re referring to how Benn said the MPC Keys was not ready for market then I totally agree, all the arguments that Ave made were complete lunacy. At one point he says that of course the MPC processor isn’t as good as a PC so there’s bound to be some loading times and crashes, but if you think about it, the MPC only has to do one thing, music applications, while a PC constantly has things going on in the background and can still run music software and not crash. I just think Ave is actually just an employee of Akai.
It's funny how people who see right through Ave's BS are called haters. 😂
Ave is really a sell out at this point. he can't be trusted with product reviews.
first of all people should agree on what does "hit harder" even mean. Because level matched it would be saturation, distortion or one device is louder with volume knob on max setting.
loading samples through floppy onto the 3K should be criminal
After he did that video, it made me realize I can not take him seriously. Gain matching is basic knowledge.
Thank you Weaver for calling this out.
So, what is worse? Watching the original video or WB's stellar review of the volume comparison video (I love the sunglasses). I mean, an entire video on the comparison of a volume knob of an AKAI device! Why? Why?Favorite quote: "How do you feel about the information?" When will we get a video on the comparison of the cracking noises of the Push 1,2 and 3?
if your music is louder it means you're more talented and the gear is better 😂
LMMMAAOO
Ave vs Burial will be epic
If you can even find/get a hold of that guy! lmaoooo
should of calibrated the volumes of both units, with a sine wave signal. Volume nob positioning is not an indication of equal measure. And than , you have to consider internal clipping and other possible volume issues..
oh man, this guy...
Both mpcs have multi out. If you wanted your 808s to knock really hard you would get a good analog mixer and run the 808 hot through the mic pre or get a good saturation pedal. Maybe get a good value and punchy compressor like a RNC Really Nice Compressor. If you are fighting over which mpc is more punchy you are missing the fact that your mixers could have much more punch/dynamics if you use the individual outs. If your dropping 3 grand on a sampler than you probably have enough to get outboard gear.
Every time i just need to plug in another thingy real quick to make a machine sound fantastic, that machine is propably shit and not worth buying in the first place. /:
@@7177YT I am sorry this is sort of naïve and not really the case. Whole sounds and genres have been made out of using outboard gear. Especially in dub where someone like King Tubby or the Scientist uses a mixing desk like another instrument for example. I could rattle producers for ages in the underground that have used different techniques with outboard gear in almost every genre. I am not meaning to tell you this to annoy you or anything but software or not, your approach is going to limit you. I have been doing this for a while and have several samplers from Akai, Emu, and Roland and each has it's strengths and weaknesses. There are somethings I can never do with any of these. Oh, I have all of this because a lot of this equipment was sub 200 dollars a decade ago so it is not a money or elitism thing.
@Nicholas I concur.
The secret to old samplers is a combo of increasing internal gain settings and then driving the outputs until it soft clips. Outboard gear just makes it better from there but ave seems to be missing the point which is surprising considering his channel is mpc-centric
@@7177YTdo you think that mpc 3k are directly connected to a 2 track recorder without anything else in between?
EA Ski rubbing his hands like birdman right now
Man that dude should've just kept making tutorials because he really lost all credibility he everything Hip Hop was against. And being promoted as a clown and a sellout don't have much shelflife. I could see if he was being employed like Andy you have to do your job but doing this for a free MPC is wild to me.
yea i don't take mixing advice from ppl who make beats usually,, there are like 4 guys I like in that genre on here. You one of the only ones i trust Weaver
In Weaver We Trust.. happy Merica Day!
Weaver...... the new standard in music technology
Bro has less of a clue about electronics than my dog what even
“Dibiase” I think is a play on the million dollar man from 90’s WWF
😂drama alert for the youtube synth world, hell yeah!
lmaoooo he has 45 monthly listeners telling legends to earn their stripes. clown behavior
Ave going out sad smh
Onna serious note can we get a video with your editor on the channel breaking down his editing process, you mentioned we should take tips so i feel like this would help alot of creators such as myself
i did the same tests as you in ableton and concluded that the way you mix and the samples you choose will have way more effect on the sound than the differences between these 2 mpcs. the mpc60 now that has a sound and a real thump to it as does an sp1200 now if he had level matched and actually sampled into the units there way well be a real difference.
Get out of here with your damned logic! We wanna fetishize obsolete gear!
"I want to hear from you guys in the comment section!"
*argues with comments in the comment section*
If it’s dibia$e vs Ave in a beat battle……lol. Ave gonna be workin in the sweetwater warehouse. Dibia$e is a don. Ave is a salesman. Please please please battle dibia$e and then go pick up a guitar center application. You really really really don’t want to test D. Trust me. Thank you for calling him a legend because he is, D is a real one.
Do these people think of themselves as adults with all this voice messaging and stuff ? I'd expect a behaviour like that from 14 year old girls, but not from grown ass men like Ave. This is getting so cringe.
Thank you for making this video bro!
is anyone from the original MPC team that worked on the ASQ10/MPC60/MPC3k at Akai Pro still at InMusic Akai?
It’s just old heads arguing lol let em squabble
Weaver, do us a favor and your boy Ave. These OGs did not learn nor make their way online, and those men were the type of deal with another man in person. I mean, there's a well known MC who was known for stopping by studios for his money or to check someone for real. Sometimes people can talk themselves into a problem outside of YT, and he already got CHECKED by a REAL LIFE producer, and apologized. Now he is doing it again???
i want to beef with everybody but like i want them to not beef back and just admit defeat
I love weaver man he’s hilarious busy stay catching strays lol
the 3000 isn't technically better it just colours the sound like most old samplers, that doesn't mean the converters are 'better' the best way to test this is to play the original sample as well as the 3000 and XL, the idea of 24bit is it's mean't to be transparent as possible, there are plenty of ways to colour the sound in new MPC's if you have half a brain
Using his own voice messages as a response in a hard beat like this is genius and disrespecting on so many levels 😂 very well done
No Cap.... I've been waiting on this recap
Bro your funny... And speeching facts!!! You just earned a new subscriber, TH-cam should've been showed you in my Q. Dope vid!
Only time I spoke to Ave I had him confused with another fairly unknown producer and called him a Unison Audio shill. He protested so I checked and realized my mistake. I apologised and to be fair he didn't make a drama out of it. I felt a bit bad but now I think I should have just trolled him some more.
Weaver strikes again!… I gave up on Ave during the whole Ben Jordan debacle.
Wassup Drenolyn.. I'm not on Twitter, so I always catch the news late lol! I actually thought he was getting trolled, so I felt bad, but he's actually poking the bear again (pause)
@@lindasson I think Ave know what hes doing...controversy gets clicks!
Busy works Beats 4 president 🤣
I don’t even know why he went back to the trash pile the beef was over
Then he jumped back in the dumpster
Reigniting beef. WHY
LIVES IN HAWAII BUT STILL GETS STARBUCKS
How does he have a youtube channel about music production lol is this REALLY his profession?? I’m out of words, this is beyond incompetent. It’s arguably FRAUD levels of incompetence. This is peak levels of Dunning-Kruger
Ave had to have been trolling 😂
Hit 'control J'/'command J' on each clip, then drag them out of the current project folder's processed folder. They're going to be normalized/even as possible/as loud as can be. Probably the best way to look at transients if they're different as well (bigger transient, lower average volume here). Ableton normalizing to be loud as possible is great.
this is interesting but I didn't understand, can you explain it like I'm 6 yo? also, what a "current folder's processed folder"?
Just got off the phone with Dibi lmao this shit is HILARIOUS
Just checking the documentation of both devices. The specs for the outputs are different. Who would have thought that?
I think he was truly confused of what Loudness means or he's just trolling. When reading responses in his comment section, he truly believes himself. I'd send a 1k tone out and level at -20db. Your Normalizing idea would be perfect and so simple.
Like I always say: Being a content creator and being a person who makes money off of their music is two different things. It’s understandable that Ave is being defensive, because that’s his source of income. Just know that you will never be on the same level as some of us. If you are acting like a clown, as a content creator, then the rest of us in the music business are gonna call you on it. If “sit yo ass down” was a person
Ave McCree the type of person to give advice as a music professional, but meanwhile can't tell if a sound matches a key to a song because of a slight natural detune.
Ah yes... loudness deception isn't it? 😃
The thought of anyone 'beefing' with aphex twin! Lmao
This is insane 😂 I'm no audio engineer but maaaan. This is like 101... Damn
I'm starting to think ave is busy works father
hes just baiting u at this point lol
Weaver Wins! Thank goodness, someone has seen the light and knows that if you turn up the "loser", it will also sound the same... I had to suffer seeing that comparison too. I think I posted on that video too directly, lol.
Something told me not to watch that Ave video. And I was right.
When I watched that video, I thought... why didn't he just use a loudness meter
I'll keep saying it, this is the same shit that went down in the guitar community. People wasting time arguing about differences in gear while some kids with FL Studio, indifferent to all their "wisdom," start releasing music and actually building an audience.
For the null test: i think the timing has to align perfectly, as well as the volume and everything else. In fl studio you then reverse the polarity of one of the samples
hnnnnng, I'm about to throw all my music gear away
White sea studios is literally pulling his hair out watching this. In the words of Dan Worrall "it's time for a breath of null test"
when i watched this video when he put it out my jaw was dropped at his comparisons. AND NOT IN A GOOD WAY!
this dudes going to make me sell my 4 MPCs and buy an ableton push 3....
Superstomp + NS-2 = more dirt (if you want to go the pedal route). One of a million ways to make big louds.
This channel won't grow until you start using a sibilance enhancer
Gotta compress the ever loving shit out of it, too.
The only beatmakers i've learned stuff from are yourself, Wav Man, Mello-D beats, and Navie D. i'm sure you know these guys too, they are good youtubers
I’m unsubbing from ave. To come at dibiase like that when he’s being doing it way before ave. Anybody that’s been in the “beat” scene long enough would know this. It’s crazy to me because I’m younger than ave and I know a lot of these things lmao.
why does it look like he's not wearing pants
😂😂😂😂😂😂
He has set the president and its busy works beats 😂😂
Ave out here doing video without pants on?? PAUSE… less leg please!
@@MrKananga😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂
Yeah, the wave forms are certainly not the same... Oranges are certainly louder than apples....Roger Linn for president!!
The Street Fighter II / VI comparison was actually pretty clever, maybe if his base argument was a little more uhh.. logical, then a better analogy could have been made.
Who in there RIGHT MIND would use this Sample? Give us some HOT ISH AVE...
MAYBE HE DON't KNOW:)))
SAME ISH I SAID:((
He should have made all MPC output vol knobs max for continuity
My opinion: As a MPC owner and user of multiple units old to new and obviously by logic. If both knobs are at same level and one is louder. It is no way the other can catch up will unless the knob can go around twice. No argument here on that so correct new MPC’s get louder. Point proven if that was the point. Lol, MPC beef be done already!
Jesus christ the mpc toddlers have no chill. converters, smorverters
Wow, I grew a hater too. Now I'm going to frantically look for my subscription to his channel to cancel it quickly.
I immediately subbed Weaver and unsubbed Ave after the last beef.
Massive Hater *>* Cornball Hater
I only watched Ave bc I appreciated him calling out Bolo's endorsement of Unison Audio. I don't care about MPC's so I have no reason to follow an immature shill with boring beats.
ha, he didnt argue with my comment, damn !. he know id make a whole song about his BS. lololol.
Shoutout my man Dibiase!!! One
Idk Weaver, if the output volume of gear is the same, you should be able to hear if one is louder without tweaking anything else right?
When you gain stage, and you match the gain, now the perceived loudness changes and the actual loudness LUFS changes. Right?
In my head it makes sense, but Idk, I didn't go to school for this lol. I like your content bruh.
Next time you should try mvMeter2 vu meter for lvl matching, you can select peak, rms, vu, etc, you can adjust the dbfs and the best is the ''gain match'' button for instant matching and its free
Lol “we” did not establish the X is louder, you did
ave eating the akai dino crazy
Dan Worhall is jealous of Ave analytical precision and critic integrity
seeing your comparaison it seems that the X SE is slighty better compressed
Ave is doing like every goddamn politician these days: Every Accusation Is A Confession. They try to come down hard and it blows on their faces.