His plus point is that he knows what he's talking about. The fact that irrelevant producers and mastering engineers criticize his thinking makes me smile. Yes, then make it better! Be as successful as him!
Steven slate: they pull that same adulterous bs with their "modeling" microphone. Allegedly it's super duper flat, then software contaminates the signal with impulses that hurt the signal to imitate different microphones...
@@EmperorKamikaze studio I worked with had the slate mic. Def doesnt “hurt” the signal, just like for guitar amps, modelling software and impulse response tech has gotten pretty good. All the mic does is change the tone, which isnt hurting anything and is a great help when you record all day and dont want to spend clients studio time changing mics. Also yeah I just have airpods and reference my track there as well as the car and a mono small bt speaker. Dont listen on those and make huge changes but use them to get an idea of how they all sound diff and make smart small changes once you go back to your computer. Bt speakers are great at telling how loud or quiet your mid or side might be. Def a good idea to do ref on diff things you know well
@ people stop n stare , n I’m like yup I’m rocking this look ….McLovin in da house. down side the cable only reaches to the end of the road so can’t get on the bus.
he purposely misleads people, so they think he is the only one in the world who can do what people need to be done for their mixes and masters, so they just end up paying him due to the lack of knowledge.
This dude legit freezes his own farts so he can slice them super thin like the bean in disneys jack and the beanstalk. And he just nibbles on them while shuddering in extacy. As he rambles on about how good his gear is that nobody can afford.
The Sennheiser 600 series is so good because it is tuned to the Harman curve. Flat does NOT mean everything is a line, no!!! Flat, means close to the Harman curve.
Everybodys ears are different and thats why there cannot ever be one headphone to rule them all. We hear same headphones wildly differently. HD-600's are generally good.
@@Swiftopher755 I think the tilted diffuse field is the real way to go, Harman is an approximation especially the older versions. The 600 series was out before the Harman curve existed.
If you don't want ppl to get attention, don't talk about them And don't make whole hour long videos about them several times, you will spark someone's interest
If the finished product sounds good, then it sounds good. Just get comfortable with how your monitoring tools translate to general listening. What I took from his rambling, is get as expensive and flat as you can, and then use tools to flatten the frequency response.
Flat freq response is doing a disservice for a mixing or mastering engineer. Yes the headphones should be CALIBRATED as flat as possible, but seasoned engineers apply the harman curve on top of it , exactly because the average listener is not gonna listen in a perfectly flat environment, heck the human hearing curve is not flat , it is logarithmic, hence not “linear “………Fetcher Munson curve etc…..
I have HD-800's that are pretty huge, but are super comfortable. Very good side, but downside is that you can't use them by night if someone tries to sleep behind the wall. Those are LOUD!
I think this video of his does mark an interesting evolution in his content, from "everything the big business is shoveling at you is a scam and I’m better because i built my own" to "unfortunately nothing is perfect, so here is the closest thing "
Everything is subjective like really when it comes down to anything in like it’s all about preference especially when people don’t have the means of cost for certain items 😊
I have a bunch of headphones I've collected over 20 years. I bought the Slate VSX when they first came out due to Covid lockdown as I couldn't get to the studio and had to work from home. I still split my time between my main monitors and these and they're really excellent. Mixes translate really well and they're comfortable and fun to use. Yes, I was marketed to, but they work for me and they're good for the price. I've tried mixing on all kinds of headphones and my mixes always come out trash compared to VSX, the first headphones that got me most of the way there. Are they perfect? No. But what headphones are.. they're worth the money entirely for what they promise and what they deliver. Whatever you use, you have to "learn" it.. monitors or headphones, nothing is perfect and everything has its quirks. Even the flattest speakers, if they have very flat midrange, it sounds un-natural a lot of the time. Referencing tracks and checking mixes on as many different systems as you have is always the way to go. I check my mixes on at least 3 systems I have and I make notes about what sticks out, then go back to the mix and adjust it. That's actually where the VSX is useful because you can check on different systems including hi-fi, boombox and phones, which can be very revealing for things like low-mids where you need the harmonics in the bass to hear it on tiny speakers. The auratone mono is a useful tool for this too and VSX has an emulation of that too. I'll never trust anyone else's opinion on monitors or headphones but my own. Firstly, I know what I like and second I believe that companies market to the lowest common denominator and to what people think sounds good.. Popular brands like Beats absolutely SUCK for the price, the bass is SO heavy and unbalanced. Have you seen the HEDDPhones? They use the same technology in Adam tweeters and it takes a while to get used to them, but many people say they sound amazing. Totally different design to any other headphone. I have HD650's and they're clean, but I can't mix on them for shit. They just sound so soft. I can't explain it, but they're not for me when it comes to mixing. I also use an external DAC with headphone amp which makes any headphones sound so much better than a regular headphone output. So, yeah. This guy has his opinions, I have mine
@@johndoe_1984 They're not mentioned usually amongst headphones and people that have never used them long term shouldn't really have an opinion on them. They're just a tool like anything else. I wanted to bash the SubPac, but people that have one say that it's really good. I've never tried one though.
O Weaver your the best !! Calling this muppet out. I did try a few (from audeze lcd x to senheiser amd AKG and ended up with a nice pair of ollo (open) and focal (close). The ollo sounded even better then the audeze which kinda disappointed me. My budget partner (wife was happy though)
I have KRK KNS 8400 . All you have to do is have reference songs to do A/B comparisons between your song and the reference songs on same 🎧 you can then criticism your own levels panning bass vocals etc compared to your reference songs.
Thats how you should be mixing all the time with any speaker or headphone. The point of references is to hear how other songs sound in your environment
I'm a big fan of the Slate VSX. My mixes on them translate very well. They don't have the level of detail that a good planar magnetic design does. But for broad, tonal balance decisions they are excellent, especially if your room and speakers are less than ideal. I use them alongside my HS8's in a semi-treated room. It's interesting that if I do a mix completely in VSX and then reference through my monitors, it always translates. But if I mix through the speakers and reference through VSX, the same doesn't always apply.
I mean even if you don't like the Harman curve I don't know of any company that's actively pursuing for complete flat. There's always some kind of curved frequency response that's being attempted. Harmon curve has become fashionable lately
Some input from an hifi enthusiast whose also done some audio production work in college when it comes to working with headphones: Find a well reviewed hifi headphone (preferably one with low distortion) within your budget and use oratory1990’s library of eqs to get them to the harmon target. This should be good enough. Tho it is important to keep in mind that most things people will listen to your work on will not be tonally perfect as the EQ’d headphone. So listen back to your work without the eq to see how it would sound with a different tuning.
Once he said “I had 2 grand in my hand, ready to buy” when talking about the Sennheiser headphones I knew that he all about flexing on himself. All he talks about is how he’s a professional, and he knows more than everyone else. He’s discouraging to new people trying to get in the game.
22:44 is not that they are less accurate but more like overtime there is progressively hearing loss And the hearing loss usually goes high to lower frequencies that doesn't mean you have to stop producing tho you can still produce.
Everyone hears things slightly differently, and the unique shape of our ears plays a significant role in how we perceive sound. Other factors, like our brain’s auditory processing, age, and sensitivity to frequencies, also contribute. As you become a more experienced engineer or listener over time, your critical listening skills will improve, and so will your preferences in headphones. So, it’s best to just buy what you like and can afford. And just like with monitors, the more you use a pair of headphones, the better you’ll get at mixing on them. You just do the best you can with what you have, and if you put in the work, it will pay off. My current headphones are the ATH R70Xs. I’ve always enjoyed the way they sounded, but a few years ago, I came across an ear pad modification that took them to a whole new level. That only happened because I was curious and having fun learning about headphone design. It’s fascinating how the sound of headphones isn’t just about the speakers-things like ear pads, the shape of the cups, and even the materials used all play a part. Also, keep in mind that AP Mastering is coming at this from a mastering engineer’s perspective. That profession places a strong emphasis on perfection and attention to detail, which explains why some of his takes might feel overly picky, even about headphones that many people think are great. A lot of what he critiques has to do with the level of precision required in mastering. That said, about 50% of what he puts down in his videos works perfectly fine for general mixing. So, when you listen to his thoughts, keep that context in mind.
I've used ATH-M50x for several years and then chose to use the HD 560S so that I could appreciate the flatter response and the wider stereo field. All of a sudden, my subsequent creations were a boomy, muddy bassy mess. I think that what is most important is that you use your chosen pair of headphones for absolutely everything that requires listening to stuff on your computer/phone/TV etc. You'll learn how they interpret sound and you can use that knowledge in your own creations. I think that Scheps is on to something as he has chosen one pair and stuck with them. (This is typed in the TH-cam search bar and copy+pasted because dark mode doesn't let me see what I'm typing in the comment section anymore).
This video was funny. For him to end up on the Sennheisers was crazy. I don't like them at all which surprised me when I used them because I really love Sennheiser mics. Way too brash. Not enough low mid and lows.
I feel like this guy (not Weaver) would hate me when he learns that I do all my mixing with my crappy Bluetooth headsets, crappy gaming headsets, and crappy desktop speakers. Why? Because I can't afford anything else, and also because those are the things I use to listen to music (mostly the Bluetooth headsets) so it just makes sense to me
I just bought some hifiman anando nannos and eq'd them to harman and i love them. Gone off sonarworks as it seems to make all my headphones dull. This guy does love a bit of controversy doesnt he though.
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Hey Weaver, just popped in to say: the headphone fr curves you’re referencing should NOT be perfectly flat. Look in to HRTF and psychoacoustics for more info on why headphones are tuned the way they are and how they are measured.
it is weird to end on the HD600 line~ I think most people would classify those closer to "fun" headphones for their lush midrange which I would argue is actually inaccurate since most other neutral headphones [or any for that matter] do not even come close to that level of lushness, not to mention they are not as detailed as other headphones and so if there are mistakes in your mix you will not hear them which kind of defeats the purpose....
Andrew Scheps’ point was that 7506s are cheap and have been around for 20+ years. If they get old he’ll just get new ones. He also just got used to how they sound. Side note that VSX are highly reviewed and people without the experience of someone like Scheps get translatable mixes easily.
Contextually, it def matters WHAT ur making too. Live instruments, room audio and microphones have alot more variables than 100% Stock vst assets Which, in my experience, reproduce the same sound pretty fuckin consistently (car, tv, headphones) I could imagine a buncha live performance shit messing that up
I don’t think headphones are scams. I had some Yamahas and bought some Neumanns and my mix immediately sounded bad on the Neumann but it was way more accurate and I could hear details I never heard with reg headphones. Better equipment makes it so easy to perform and makes u feel good and there’s a saying in sports that if u feel good u play good. My main goal is recording so even tho so many “improvements” that I make are just to give me a more enjoyable experience recording and that’s what music is about. It’s only a scam if u don’t value it. Some say equipment doesn’t matter but it honestly does make a difference for ur avg bedroom artist if ur home studio makes u feel like a rockstar then keep using it lol
yeah "look at how small your ears are compared to the size of the waveform, bro, you'll need to make them bigger so you can hear the low end properly, bro... and btw you can get my plans for implants for 20k$"
Really can't argue with facts and charts but how about quality control not every headphone is going to be exactly the same and could actually vary a lot. What I would say is to get some good audio compensation software instead of driving your audiophile head nuts Yeah to a point his opinion matters but I live in the real audio world😁
I use ATH-MX50s and they're absolutely fine. The same can be said for my M-Audio BX5 bookshelf monitors. Neither products are top-end, or new, but they work well and have a flat enough response to trust when mixing. You should also be mixing with a variety of commonplace outputs. Listen to it in your cans, in your car, with your monitors, and with in-ears. You can strike a balance using multiple devices, on a budget, and end up with a tight mix. Also, how does such a knowledgable guy completely gloss over the importance of isolation with closed-back headphones AND the fact that you're also listening through something that's more in-line with regular consumer products? He's got some good points, but approaches things in a really weird and pretentious way. I'd describe his arguments as lossy.
This guy is stating the obvious and pull the shit right out of his ass to make him look smart... Closed is used for recording only so they do not need to be accurate. Freq response is not that big of a thing impulse response and overall speed is more usefull to make good mixing decisions. I never mix on headphones I use them for production only. I do not need to compare the mix on headphones either or check low end. My room is pretty tight and the focals have very low distortion and have a 30-40000hz range. This guy just want to show of while he essentialy gives ZERO usefull information
I literally can’t stand Sennheiser headphones because of their “neutral” sound and vastly prefer Audeze for transient and detail resolution. Use whatever works best for you.
And you shouldn't forget that Audize headphones are very expensive. If I buy something that expensive, then it has to be good. That's the psychology behind it. expensive = good. Marketing works.
I bought a pair of HD 660s and within 12 hours of owning them, I completely fried one of the drivers lol. They are too fragile IMO especially working with bass heavy stuff.
@samshephard7164 There’s truth to that, however - in the case of Audeze, between their support and the quality of the work I’m able to accomplish (I do commercial audio in great part) their cost is a well justified investment. Some good things are expensive because they are good.
I'm so confused by this guy, it's like he knows a little bit about a lot but not enough for me to fully trust what he says. Valid points and key information backed up by bs that makes little to no sense but then a buzz word comes in and it leads you to think maybe he has a point. I get a "Sometimes I like to use big words to make myself sound more photosynthesis" vibe".
I have been writing music in the uk since the 90s and music snobbery is the rule here not the exception, i am 100 % elitest about the finer points of my craft, as im sure most of you are , if im at the club/rave/festival me and my fellow music snob friends will be bitching about how the djs has his mixer clipping in the red or how this or that track is lame (unless it's actually a great trak) whilst getting waisted and actually having a great time so this guys snobby persona is not unusual within music circles people just don't admit they are a snob often
Your barber is a scam! Most barbers telling you look good in that haircut is only to maximize their profits. You can just buy a cheap pair of scissors and do it yourself! You’re welcome!
Going for a closer listening distance in a bad room (to get a higher ratio of direct vs ambient sound) isn’t a myth tho and that’s only really possible on smaller speakers
@ That is a myth that you can easily bust with REW and measurement mic. You cannot avoid room problems by putting head near the speakers. If u measure that positition it will be really bad. If you use speakers with no low end then you will not have low end problems. But then you also cannot hear the music correctly.
*Next AP Mastering video* "DAWs are a scam here's how I built my own"
😂
His plus point is that he knows what he's talking about. The fact that irrelevant producers and mastering engineers criticize his thinking makes me smile. Yes, then make it better! Be as successful as him!
So... Reaper in essence
The whole world is a scam. Go and build your own!
Thats literally what reaper is 🤓🤓
you’re supposed to mix on perfect monitors so that 99% of your fans can listen on $12 Temu Airpod copies.
You're supposed to mix on perfect monitors so your mix SURVIVES the translation to $12 Temu Airpod copies
Huh? Perfect monitors? Yall what are you talking about?
Steven slate: they pull that same adulterous bs with their "modeling" microphone. Allegedly it's super duper flat, then software contaminates the signal with impulses that hurt the signal to imitate different microphones...
@@djvoid1then check your mix on those airpods too
@@EmperorKamikaze studio I worked with had the slate mic. Def doesnt “hurt” the signal, just like for guitar amps, modelling software and impulse response tech has gotten pretty good. All the mic does is change the tone, which isnt hurting anything and is a great help when you record all day and dont want to spend clients studio time changing mics. Also yeah I just have airpods and reference my track there as well as the car and a mono small bt speaker. Dont listen on those and make huge changes but use them to get an idea of how they all sound diff and make smart small changes once you go back to your computer. Bt speakers are great at telling how loud or quiet your mid or side might be. Def a good idea to do ref on diff things you know well
I couldn’t make my own monitors but I made my own headphones, I took my speakers and duct taped them to my head
🤣🤣🤣🤣👌👌👌👌
Must be pretty stylish and super lightweight
@ people stop n stare , n I’m like yup I’m rocking this look ….McLovin in da house. down side the cable only reaches to the end of the road so can’t get on the bus.
Studio headphones dont matter, export that shit and do the ol car speaker test, thats the only true method!
Easy, just mix with absolutely nothing. Duh
he purposely misleads people, so they think he is the only one in the world who can do what people need to be done for their mixes and masters, so they just end up paying him due to the lack of knowledge.
This dude legit freezes his own farts so he can slice them super thin like the bean in disneys jack and the beanstalk. And he just nibbles on them while shuddering in extacy. As he rambles on about how good his gear is that nobody can afford.
very interesting picture u jus painted
You need to speak to Meat Canyon
i had a friend like him once . for real . we arte no longer friends its so hard to hear that 24 7
that friend is now better off
He is the scam,never to see his studio,never to see monitor he supposedly build.
The Sennheiser 600 series is so good because it is tuned to the Harman curve. Flat does NOT mean everything is a line, no!!! Flat, means close to the Harman curve.
Everybodys ears are different and thats why there cannot ever be one headphone to rule them all. We hear same headphones wildly differently. HD-600's are generally good.
The 600 doesnt follow the harman curve at all.. in the bass.
Otherwise they're pretty good but others definitely do bass better.
The harman curve is the way to go! I use it on all my headphones
@@Swiftopher755 I think the tilted diffuse field is the real way to go, Harman is an approximation especially the older versions. The 600 series was out before the Harman curve existed.
@mikafoxx2717 titled diffuse field? I'll try some headphones on it tomorrow, can you get that curve on the auto eq site if u know it? Cheers
my headphones are literally the absolute best, how dare you, "AP MASTERING"!
I came here cause Busy was hating, I ended up following Weaver and unsubscribing Busy
They should join forces as Beaverbusy.
@@jibberism9910 beaver bussy 😳
Fack Busy !
I hope that wasn’t weavers goal because he loved this comment why are we trying to separate? U all do music wtf
If you don't want ppl to get attention, don't talk about them
And don't make whole hour long videos about them several times, you will spark someone's interest
Would we want them all to be flat and a perfect world? I don't think any of the audio engineers are attempting to design their headphones that way.
If the finished product sounds good, then it sounds good. Just get comfortable with how your monitoring tools translate to general listening.
What I took from his rambling, is get as expensive and flat as you can, and then use tools to flatten the frequency response.
Flat freq response is doing a disservice for a mixing or mastering engineer. Yes the headphones should be CALIBRATED as flat as possible, but seasoned engineers apply the harman curve on top of it , exactly because the average listener is not gonna listen in a perfectly flat environment, heck the human hearing curve is not flat , it is logarithmic, hence not “linear “………Fetcher Munson curve etc…..
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So he spent $100,000 on scam headphones
I have HD-800's that are pretty huge, but are super comfortable. Very good side, but downside is that you can't use them by night if someone tries to sleep behind the wall. Those are LOUD!
He definitely has a Zorg from 5th Element vibe happening.....
I think this video of his does mark an interesting evolution in his content, from "everything the big business is shoveling at you is a scam and I’m better because i built my own" to "unfortunately nothing is perfect, so here is the closest thing "
This guy must be the biggest buzz killer during sessions
I love my hd 650s personally
Everything is subjective like really when it comes down to anything in like it’s all about preference especially when people don’t have the means of cost for certain items 😊
I have a bunch of headphones I've collected over 20 years. I bought the Slate VSX when they first came out due to Covid lockdown as I couldn't get to the studio and had to work from home.
I still split my time between my main monitors and these and they're really excellent. Mixes translate really well and they're comfortable and fun to use.
Yes, I was marketed to, but they work for me and they're good for the price.
I've tried mixing on all kinds of headphones and my mixes always come out trash compared to VSX, the first headphones that got me most of the way there.
Are they perfect? No. But what headphones are.. they're worth the money entirely for what they promise and what they deliver.
Whatever you use, you have to "learn" it.. monitors or headphones, nothing is perfect and everything has its quirks. Even the flattest speakers, if they have very flat midrange, it sounds un-natural a lot of the time. Referencing tracks and checking mixes on as many different systems as you have is always the way to go. I check my mixes on at least 3 systems I have and I make notes about what sticks out, then go back to the mix and adjust it. That's actually where the VSX is useful because you can check on different systems including hi-fi, boombox and phones, which can be very revealing for things like low-mids where you need the harmonics in the bass to hear it on tiny speakers. The auratone mono is a useful tool for this too and VSX has an emulation of that too.
I'll never trust anyone else's opinion on monitors or headphones but my own. Firstly, I know what I like and second I believe that companies market to the lowest common denominator and to what people think sounds good.. Popular brands like Beats absolutely SUCK for the price, the bass is SO heavy and unbalanced.
Have you seen the HEDDPhones? They use the same technology in Adam tweeters and it takes a while to get used to them, but many people say they sound amazing. Totally different design to any other headphone.
I have HD650's and they're clean, but I can't mix on them for shit. They just sound so soft. I can't explain it, but they're not for me when it comes to mixing.
I also use an external DAC with headphone amp which makes any headphones sound so much better than a regular headphone output.
So, yeah. This guy has his opinions, I have mine
Here come the vsx chills… 🙄
@@johndoe_1984 They're not mentioned usually amongst headphones and people that have never used them long term shouldn't really have an opinion on them. They're just a tool like anything else. I wanted to bash the SubPac, but people that have one say that it's really good. I've never tried one though.
"This dude needs to learn how to edit, he just occasionally zooms in" like thats also not exactly what youre doing
AP Mastering "Eardrums are a scam. Gouge them out with a turkey baster and build your own!"
Everytime I see your thumbnail reacting to this dude I laugh hard😂😂😂😂
Why does the guy look like Listener but he didn't grow out of his skrillex phase 😭😂🤣
Yes, you could overspend on cans that cost $50,000 but the joy of the theif that will steal them from you: priceless
My day isn't complete without hearing weaver slurping down another coffee
O Weaver your the best !! Calling this muppet out. I did try a few (from audeze lcd x to senheiser amd AKG and ended up with a nice pair of ollo (open) and focal (close). The ollo sounded even better then the audeze which kinda disappointed me. My budget partner (wife was happy though)
LCD-X is pretty much a scam though… you know, headphones over a grand with attached pads…. lol
I have KRK KNS 8400 . All you have to do is have reference songs to do A/B comparisons between your song and the reference songs on same 🎧 you can then criticism your own levels panning bass vocals etc compared to your reference songs.
Thats how you should be mixing all the time with any speaker or headphone. The point of references is to hear how other songs sound in your environment
Thoses Sennheisers at 15:00 look like hockey equipment.
But ima get some 770 and 990 this year
I'm a big fan of the Slate VSX. My mixes on them translate very well. They don't have the level of detail that a good planar magnetic design does. But for broad, tonal balance decisions they are excellent, especially if your room and speakers are less than ideal. I use them alongside my HS8's in a semi-treated room. It's interesting that if I do a mix completely in VSX and then reference through my monitors, it always translates. But if I mix through the speakers and reference through VSX, the same doesn't always apply.
Frequency response grifter is a thing tho 😂
The lcd-x's are just incredible for mixing after making a few small adjustments. I have the 600s... they are good but not as good.
It’s not about being flat. It’s about following the Harman Curve
I mean even if you don't like the Harman curve I don't know of any company that's actively pursuing for complete flat. There's always some kind of curved frequency response that's being attempted. Harmon curve has become fashionable lately
"the perfect pair of headphones is me imagining the music in my head; perfectly flat response"
Some input from an hifi enthusiast whose also done some audio production work in college when it comes to working with headphones: Find a well reviewed hifi headphone (preferably one with low distortion) within your budget and use oratory1990’s library of eqs to get them to the harmon target. This should be good enough.
Tho it is important to keep in mind that most things people will listen to your work on will not be tonally perfect as the EQ’d headphone. So listen back to your work without the eq to see how it would sound with a different tuning.
He’s always out here with the bold claims! And then you watch the video and realize its all bait
Once he said “I had 2 grand in my hand, ready to buy” when talking about the Sennheiser headphones I knew that he all about flexing on himself. All he talks about is how he’s a professional, and he knows more than everyone else. He’s discouraging to new people trying to get in the game.
22:44 is not that they are less accurate but more like overtime there is progressively hearing loss
And the hearing loss usually goes high to lower frequencies that doesn't mean you have to stop producing tho you can still produce.
BTW what happened to the live? it just stopped and then ended??
Everyone hears things slightly differently, and the unique shape of our ears plays a significant role in how we perceive sound. Other factors, like our brain’s auditory processing, age, and sensitivity to frequencies, also contribute. As you become a more experienced engineer or listener over time, your critical listening skills will improve, and so will your preferences in headphones. So, it’s best to just buy what you like and can afford. And just like with monitors, the more you use a pair of headphones, the better you’ll get at mixing on them. You just do the best you can with what you have, and if you put in the work, it will pay off.
My current headphones are the ATH R70Xs. I’ve always enjoyed the way they sounded, but a few years ago, I came across an ear pad modification that took them to a whole new level. That only happened because I was curious and having fun learning about headphone design. It’s fascinating how the sound of headphones isn’t just about the speakers-things like ear pads, the shape of the cups, and even the materials used all play a part.
Also, keep in mind that AP Mastering is coming at this from a mastering engineer’s perspective. That profession places a strong emphasis on perfection and attention to detail, which explains why some of his takes might feel overly picky, even about headphones that many people think are great. A lot of what he critiques has to do with the level of precision required in mastering. That said, about 50% of what he puts down in his videos works perfectly fine for general mixing. So, when you listen to his thoughts, keep that context in mind.
LOL I knew even before I logged in that you would be all over this one.
I've used ATH-M50x for several years and then chose to use the HD 560S so that I could appreciate the flatter response and the wider stereo field. All of a sudden, my subsequent creations were a boomy, muddy bassy mess. I think that what is most important is that you use your chosen pair of headphones for absolutely everything that requires listening to stuff on your computer/phone/TV etc. You'll learn how they interpret sound and you can use that knowledge in your own creations. I think that Scheps is on to something as he has chosen one pair and stuck with them. (This is typed in the TH-cam search bar and copy+pasted because dark mode doesn't let me see what I'm typing in the comment section anymore).
This video was funny. For him to end up on the Sennheisers was crazy. I don't like them at all which surprised me when I used them because I really love Sennheiser mics. Way too brash. Not enough low mid and lows.
Andrew is very well used to his speaker and headphone. The big value is in how you good you know your room, speaker or pair of headphones.
Sorry for spamming the comments Weaver you said enough but this guy makes me bang my head on the table.
the headphones are one thing but the DAC/Amp are really important as well to get the most out of them.
Someone please tell that dude his haircut is a scam.
I feel like this guy (not Weaver) would hate me when he learns that I do all my mixing with my crappy Bluetooth headsets, crappy gaming headsets, and crappy desktop speakers. Why? Because I can't afford anything else, and also because those are the things I use to listen to music (mostly the Bluetooth headsets) so it just makes sense to me
I just bought some hifiman anando nannos and eq'd them to harman and i love them. Gone off sonarworks as it seems to make all my headphones dull. This guy does love a bit of controversy doesnt he though.
Hey Weaver, just popped in to say: the headphone fr curves you’re referencing should NOT be perfectly flat. Look in to HRTF and psychoacoustics for more info on why headphones are tuned the way they are and how they are measured.
25:28
why is he holding his iPhone in the whole video
Backup audio recording probably
@ not a great look. i figure you could figure out something better.
@@johnviera3884 I agree, wouldn't have been my choice
I guess this is where his notes are
Probably notes I'm guessing...
it is weird to end on the HD600 line~ I think most people would classify those closer to "fun" headphones for their lush midrange which I would argue is actually inaccurate since most other neutral headphones [or any for that matter] do not even come close to that level of lushness, not to mention they are not as detailed as other headphones and so if there are mistakes in your mix you will not hear them which kind of defeats the purpose....
I'd rather buy the new DT 900 Pro X instead of HD 600.
Sennheiser HD600 series is the best. That I agree.
11:33 😂😂😂 drinking crack like true mad man
The best headphones are the ones I can afford
you're allowed to think that (in your head)
Andrew Scheps’ point was that 7506s are cheap and have been around for 20+ years. If they get old he’ll just get new ones. He also just got used to how they sound.
Side note that VSX are highly reviewed and people without the experience of someone like Scheps get translatable mixes easily.
Contextually, it def matters WHAT ur making too.
Live instruments, room audio and microphones have alot more variables than
100% Stock vst assets
Which, in my experience, reproduce the same sound pretty fuckin consistently (car, tv, headphones)
I could imagine a buncha live performance shit messing that up
8 dollar apple headphones with the wire is the best mixing headphones ever.
Quit The Business
This guy had his first time with some Neumanns
1:30 great Plastikman immpersonation.
Pro engineer...holding his phone to record his voice?....
I don’t think headphones are scams. I had some Yamahas and bought some Neumanns and my mix immediately sounded bad on the Neumann but it was way more accurate and I could hear details I never heard with reg headphones. Better equipment makes it so easy to perform and makes u feel good and there’s a saying in sports that if u feel good u play good. My main goal is recording so even tho so many “improvements” that I make are just to give me a more enjoyable experience recording and that’s what music is about. It’s only a scam if u don’t value it. Some say equipment doesn’t matter but it honestly does make a difference for ur avg bedroom artist if ur home studio makes u feel like a rockstar then keep using it lol
He should make a video on
the types of women he likes 😂😂😂😂😂
I use Slate VSX and they are fantastc
Ok chill
He uses the world allowed in really weird places. Kinda offputting getting told im allowed to enjoy my headphones. Like what if he said i cant 😅
10:27 Someone has to tell him Sonarworks exists
Haven't watched yet, but I am not going to make my own headphones
Two words: Harman Curve 👍
Hes The scotty kilmer of the audio world hahaha
"Your ears are a scam" is next
yeah "look at how small your ears are compared to the size of the waveform, bro, you'll need to make them bigger so you can hear the low end properly, bro... and btw you can get my plans for implants for 20k$"
@@smellyblueberry 😂
Most of these headphones look like they're made for hipsters with too much money.
So ,according to him we should produce out of thin air?
Happy Birthday.
most midi gear and plugins are marketed to hobbyists. It's a gimmick.
for a guy who seems to know a lot about audio its weird hes using an iphone mic in a super reverberating room for this video
Really can't argue with facts and charts but how about quality control not every headphone is going to be exactly the same and could actually vary a lot.
What I would say is to get some good audio compensation software instead of driving your audiophile head nuts
Yeah to a point his opinion matters but I live in the real audio world😁
EVERYTHINGS IS A SCAM!!!!! However!!!, If you go with me, I can record and Master your music for you HAHAHAHAH
I use ATH-MX50s and they're absolutely fine. The same can be said for my M-Audio BX5 bookshelf monitors. Neither products are top-end, or new, but they work well and have a flat enough response to trust when mixing. You should also be mixing with a variety of commonplace outputs. Listen to it in your cans, in your car, with your monitors, and with in-ears. You can strike a balance using multiple devices, on a budget, and end up with a tight mix. Also, how does such a knowledgable guy completely gloss over the importance of isolation with closed-back headphones AND the fact that you're also listening through something that's more in-line with regular consumer products? He's got some good points, but approaches things in a really weird and pretentious way. I'd describe his arguments as lossy.
This guy is stating the obvious and pull the shit right out of his ass to make him look smart... Closed is used for recording only so they do not need to be accurate. Freq response is not that big of a thing impulse response and overall speed is more usefull to make good mixing decisions. I never mix on headphones I use them for production only. I do not need to compare the mix on headphones either or check low end. My room is pretty tight and the focals have very low distortion and have a 30-40000hz range. This guy just want to show of while he essentialy gives ZERO usefull information
I literally can’t stand Sennheiser headphones because of their “neutral” sound and vastly prefer Audeze for transient and detail resolution.
Use whatever works best for you.
And you shouldn't forget that Audize headphones are very expensive. If I buy something that expensive, then it has to be good. That's the psychology behind it. expensive = good. Marketing works.
I bought a pair of HD 660s and within 12 hours of owning them, I completely fried one of the drivers lol. They are too fragile IMO especially working with bass heavy stuff.
@samshephard7164 There’s truth to that, however - in the case of Audeze, between their support and the quality of the work I’m able to accomplish (I do commercial audio in great part) their cost is a well justified investment. Some good things are expensive because they are good.
@@serial_sequence2kget your hearing checked, my dude.
@@serial_sequence2k sennheisers are famous for lasting 15 years sometimes. You should talk to customer support
That guy reminds me of the super seducer game guy
$1800 Headphones LMAO this guys a chump
look at that dudes haircut. maybe mixbus hasnt the weirdest hair in the game.
There is a guy call hifipaywhale already did a video on this as well.
Haha, well, If you like better bass extention, go with the HD599
DT-880
hahahahah udde i saw this video and i had the same exact response . hahahahaha !!!! god
Closed Back means more bass.
i'm waiting for him to just recommend mickey mouse ears at this point
HE TOOK THE JACKET OFF
I'm so confused by this guy, it's like he knows a little bit about a lot but not enough for me to fully trust what he says. Valid points and key information backed up by bs that makes little to no sense but then a buzz word comes in and it leads you to think maybe he has a point.
I get a "Sometimes I like to use big words to make myself sound more photosynthesis" vibe".
I have been writing music in the uk since the 90s and music snobbery is the rule here not the exception, i am 100 % elitest about the finer points of my craft, as im sure most of you are , if im at the club/rave/festival me and my fellow music snob friends will be bitching about how the djs has his mixer clipping in the red or how this or that track is lame (unless it's actually a great trak) whilst getting waisted and actually having a great time so this guys snobby persona is not unusual within music circles people just don't admit they are a snob often
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This right here
i just saved all my doubloons and bought me a macbook now i make beats
Weaver deleted my comment
Your barber is a scam! Most barbers telling you look good in that haircut is only to maximize their profits. You can just buy a cheap pair of scissors and do it yourself! You’re welcome!
Small speakers in bad room is not a "fair take". It's a silly myth.
Going for a closer listening distance in a bad room (to get a higher ratio of direct vs ambient sound) isn’t a myth tho and that’s only really possible on smaller speakers
@ That is a myth that you can easily bust with REW and measurement mic. You cannot avoid room problems by putting head near the speakers. If u measure that positition it will be really bad. If you use speakers with no low end then you will not have low end problems. But then you also cannot hear the music correctly.
Subjective "audiophile" opinions are completely irrelevant.