Presbyterian Replies to Baptist Arguments about Immersion
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Believers Baptism is the Biblical Baptism. (Complete defence)
- Lord Jesus, Peter and Paul always preached First Believe, Repent and then second Baptise =
Mark 16:16
16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
Acts 2:38
38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 18:8
8 Then Crispus, the ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his household. And many of the Corinthians, hearing, believed and were baptized.
Acts 16:31-33
31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” 32 Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. 33 And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes. And immediately he and all his family were baptized.
Acts 2:41
41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.
So as you can see First is Repentance and then Baptism. And babies can't do both of those
1 Peter 3:21
21 There is also an antitype which now saves us-baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, ( notice how it says ANSWER OF GOOD CONSCIENCE, which a infant can't do)
- Paul talks in Colossians 2:11 about circumcision without hands which is by believing in Lord Jesus Christ, and then continues in Colossians 2:12 about baptism by believing. So as you can see again first came belief and then Baptisim. (And yes both circumcision and Baptisim in this verses are not not actually physical rather Spiritual)
- second reason= there is not one example is baby getting baptized (little children getting baptized yes not infant)
- third reason - babies born to Christians are Holy from the time they are born,
1 Corinthians 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband; otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy. ((Some one would say " you also get holy when believed in Lord Jesus Christ and Gospel then you don't have the need to get baptise just like you Baby. But I'm holy because of I believe in God the Father, Lord Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit . But my baby is holy because I'm a Believer. Even a unbelieving wife is sanctified because of her Christian husband and a unbelieving husband is sanctified because of her Christian wife.
And don't compare circumcision with baptism, it's like comparing hand with legs those are two very different things. And Bible does talk about circumcision of heart.
And also circumcision was not give to girls.
- in Samuel 12:18 David's son died on the 7th day (circumcision is made on 8th day), without circumcision. But in 2 Samuel 12:22 David said that "he will go to the child the child will not come to him" meaning he will meet the child in Heaven.
- one of the most important text is Hebrew.
Hebrews 11:6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
Without faith it is impossible to please God & if someone is coming to must believe that He is. And babies can't do that they can believe because their brain is not developed yet.
(There no such pratice as infant Baptisim in Judaism. John the Baptist Baptisim adults "Saying believe the One coming after me" which is Lord JESUS, and most importantly Lord Jesus Christ Himself was Baptised at 30).
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Difference between Receiving the Holy Spirit, and being filled with the Holy Spirit, and Baptisim of Holy Spirit and Baptisim of water
Acts 1:5
5 for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” (difference between Baptism of Holy Spirit and water)
In John 20:22 apostles received the Holy Spirit (John 20:22
22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.), In Acts 2:4 they were filled with Holy Spirit (Acts 2:4
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.) You can see the difference
Paul first was filled with Holy Spirit and then got baptised with water Acts 9:17-18.
In Acts 19 paul found some disciples in Ephesus. Who believed in Lord Jesus and baptised in John's Baptisim (water), paul explained that John preached the baptisim of repentance that is to believe in the one who is coming after him that is Lord Jesus Christ. Then they were baptized in the Name of Lord Jesus Christ and then paul laid hands on them and then Holy Spirit came on them and they spoke in tongues and prophesied.
In Acts 10:44 as Peter was speaking the word of God Holy Spirit fell on those who heard the word. And then after receiving the Holy Spirit they got Baptised Acts 10:47-48.
Acts 8:14-17
14 Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, 15 who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. 16 For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.
Having spent years in both reformed and Baptistic churches, my experience was the latter often lacked theological context, rarely cross referencing the Hebrew and Greek text, while taking a particular translation at face value. Often one verse alone was pointed to for justification, omitting the context of the surrounding verses or parallels to other scripture - akin to judging a book by its cover. Heartfelt indeed, however immature in wisdom. Rather than looking at scripture as a series of individual verses, reformed theology has enlightened me to see more fully all scripture as interrelated and connected.
There are only five Christian Doctrines that are worthy of defending;: deity of Christ, salvation by grace and not of works, resurrection of Christ, The Gospel , and monotheism. Two secondary doctrines are the virgin birth and the trinity. All other doctrine is up for discussion and not to be used for dissention and causing splits. I would stay away from topics that can do nothing short of raising people's hackles. I don't care one way or the other. I believe in emersion. If someone, like my mom and dad, believe in sprinkling, great. To tell you the truth, I don't even think Jesus cares. As long as we believe in God and the seven doctrines, i think Jesus is OK with us. I grew up in a Baptist church. I've been to a lot of others since. As long as the church believes in and teaches from the Bible, no matter the version, I'm golden. Very good msg.
@@MrWarrenjc denying the virgin birth and the trinity are heresies..
I'm neither Baptist nor Presbyteruan. A question: How is baptism by immersion related to the Jewish custom of the Mikvah? This would be immersion....but not becessarily the same meaning.
It was very interesting...thanks for sharing....
@@ritawood3799 i think mikvah is a ceremonial cleansing for coming of age, and before marriage i think. Imersion is for baptising into the kingdom. I think this is true but don't quote me.
Question regarding the household baptism argument: if I had a butler that lives in my house, if I get baptized after conversion, should he be baptized too since he’s a part of my household?
Thanks to anyone who replies
If he is part of the household, yes. I don't think that includes a mere business relationship, like say if they were renting a room or the room was merely part of a compensation package, but otherwise it was just a business relationship. But if he is part of the family for all intents and purposes, yes. Gen 17 says they should receive the sign of the covenant.
A simple test I would apply is iwhether the head of house has authority to make them go to church with the family. If not, they aren't part of the household.
In biblical days, he would have been a servant and you could have required it... in today's society he is simply an employee, so no...
However, this doesn't negate the federal head/covenant relationship with your family...
This strawman is used often...
I agree definitely with infant baptism. A question: in case of credo baptism , what is the main interpretation diference of batism in case of an adult in the presbiterian church vs the baptist church?
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I, growing up in Evangelical America, never saw any beauty in baptism as, according to Baptist theology, it is simply a profession of faith and an act of obedience. It wasn't until I grasped the truth of Paedobaptism that I finally saw the remarkable beauty of the Lord, as He did with Abraham, giving us the seal of his perfect covenant!
Praise God!
@@nonameguy4441Believers Baptism is the Biblical Baptism. (Complete defence)
- Lord Jesus, Peter and Paul always preached First Believe, Repent and then second Baptise =
Mark 16:16
16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
Acts 2:38
38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 18:8
8 Then Crispus, the ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his household. And many of the Corinthians, hearing, believed and were baptized.
Acts 16:31-33
31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” 32 Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. 33 And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes. And immediately he and all his family were baptized.
Acts 2:41
41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.
So as you can see First is Repentance and then Baptism. And babies can't do both of those
1 Peter 3:21
21 There is also an antitype which now saves us-baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, ( notice how it says ANSWER OF GOOD CONSCIENCE, which a infant can't do)
- Paul talks in Colossians 2:11 about circumcision without hands which is by believing in Lord Jesus Christ, and then continues in Colossians 2:12 about baptism by believing. So as you can see again first came belief and then Baptisim. (And yes both circumcision and Baptisim in this verses are not not actually physical rather Spiritual)
- second reason= there is not one example is baby getting baptized (little children getting baptized yes not infant)
- third reason - babies born to Christians are Holy from the time they are born,
1 Corinthians 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband; otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy. ((Some one would say " you also get holy when believed in Lord Jesus Christ and Gospel then you don't have the need to get baptise just like you Baby. But I'm holy because of I believe in God the Father, Lord Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit . But my baby is holy because I'm a Believer. Even a unbelieving wife is sanctified because of her Christian husband and a unbelieving husband is sanctified because of her Christian wife.
And don't compare circumcision with baptism, it's like comparing hand with legs those are two very different things. And Bible does talk about circumcision of heart.
And also circumcision was not give to girls.
- in Samuel 12:18 David's son died on the 7th day (circumcision is made on 8th day), without circumcision. But in 2 Samuel 12:22 David said that "he will go to the child the child will not come to him" meaning he will meet the child in Heaven.
- one of the most important text is Hebrew.
Hebrews 11:6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
Without faith it is impossible to please God & if someone is coming to must believe that He is. And babies can't do that they can believe because their brain is not developed yet.
(There no such pratice as infant Baptisim in Judaism. John the Baptist Baptisim adults "Saying believe the One coming after me" which is Lord JESUS, and most importantly Lord Jesus Christ Himself was Baptised at 30).
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Difference between Receiving the Holy Spirit, and being filled with the Holy Spirit, and Baptisim of Holy Spirit and Baptisim of water
Acts 1:5
5 for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” (difference between Baptism of Holy Spirit and water)
In John 20:22 apostles received the Holy Spirit (John 20:22
22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.), In Acts 2:4 they were filled with Holy Spirit (Acts 2:4
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.) You can see the difference
Paul first was filled with Holy Spirit and then got baptised with water Acts 9:17-18.
In Acts 19 paul found some disciples in Ephesus. Who believed in Lord Jesus and baptised in John's Baptisim (water), paul explained that John preached the baptisim of repentance that is to believe in the one who is coming after him that is Lord Jesus Christ. Then they were baptized in the Name of Lord Jesus Christ and then paul laid hands on them and then Holy Spirit came on them and they spoke in tongues and prophesied.
In Acts 10:44 as Peter was speaking the word of God Holy Spirit fell on those who heard the word. And then after receiving the Holy Spirit they got Baptised Acts 10:47-48.
Acts 8:14-17
14 Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, 15 who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. 16 For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.
I getting more conviction to become Presbyterian. However, the closest (and only church) in my area is PCUSA, and I’m not brave enough for that.
Yes, that is one to avoid. many good presbyterian churches have their services on you tube. That MAY help some.
Avoid PCUSA altogether. Vaguely, what is your area you are in? Perhaps I could recommend a church? Blessings brother.
@@bransonstoddard3310 I’m in the PCA, I found a church not far from me.
Your explanation was definitely immersed in Scripture :) thank you for making this video and God bless.
And sprinkled with grace. :)
I remember RC Sproul one time saying that over 50% of the baptisms in the New Testament, were “family” baptisms… Great Exposition brother
3,000 on the day of Pentecost. I think that fudges your percentage a smidge. Lol
@@dylanwagoner9768 No, it matters not.
When Peter repeated the OIKOS covenant ??
@@dylanwagoner9768how many of those 3000 were families?
@@gumbyshrimp2606unknown
I met a Baptist preacher who would in some circumstances pour. A paralyzed person who could not get into a creek, pool, river, tank in a church. He preferred immersion, but said some people couldn’t be dunked
A man coming from Mormonism…who also had a medical port in his upper arm for almost daily kidney dialysis-this can’t get wet…an immersion only church wouldn’t baptized him any other way…I baptized him (pouring) - he joined our PCA church
As someone who has grown up nondenominational/Baptist, I’m realizing that the credobaptist view seems to be more based in evangelical tradition than it is in Scripture. It fits the Me-centered mold of Christianity.
Amen!
lol, I love it!: “I won’t try to baptize your kids when you’re not looking.”
6:22
John Lightfoot's Commentary on Mark, Chapter 7 actually suggests the washing of these utensils and "tables" are done after they are purchased in the market. A jewish community would have a mikvah bath for these circumstances. I believe you may find more details in Tractate Yadayim and other places of the Talmud dealing with this topic.
I also find it very curious how at 7:16 you fail to mention the possibility of these mikvah baths that every community had, along with many individual house holds.
7:35
"and the living water" you kind of gave this answer away. It was slain over living water, and so the blood was mixed with the water and that would provide enough substance to dip it in.
Even the Targum Jonathan says it very cleary it is in both water and blood.
9:10
water isnt the main idea of "baptism" in every place. Its the idea of immersion. They were immersed in the immersion of Moses aka: the Torah (acts 15:21) you can also be baptized into figurative fire (judgment/trials Matthew 3:11) and enduring punishment (Mark 10:38 ) all the same idea is being conveyed that baptism is immersion into something. Yeshua wasnt sprinkled with punishment of our sins, he was immersed.
10:34
Strong's G911 - baptō this word if given a defintion as such and paints a different picture than G908. baptisma
"βάπτω báptō, bap'-to; a primary verb; to whelm, i.e. cover wholly with a fluid; in the New Testament only in a qualified or special sense, i.e. (literally) to moisten (a part of one's person), or (by implication) to stain (as with dye):-dip."
11:00
Same rule applies as above but to further support this
"Not to be confused with 907, baptizo. The clearest example that shows the meaning of baptizo is a text from the Greek poet and physician Nicander, who lived about 200 B.C. It is a recipe for making pickles and is helpful because it uses both words. Nicander says that in order to make a pickle, the vegetable should first be 'dipped' (bapto) into boiling water and then 'baptised' (baptizo) in the vinegar solution. Both verbs concern the immersing of vegetables in a solution. But the first is temporary. The second, the act of baptising the vegetable, produces a permanent change."
There is a differentiation between 907 and 908 and 911...
11:46
same as above.
12:49
the spirit is said to both dwell on and within (Daniel 5:14, Acts 1:8, Luke 1:35) and is compared to filling up of water (John 7:38)
Ie: you are both filled up with and covered with (pslams 91:4 reference)
15:38
4472. rhantizó is the word for sprinkling in the Hebrews 9 passages. The idea that His blood clenases us all, so much so that we only need a drop. Baptism is different yet that it identifies us with his death and resurrection.
16:31
John didnt invent baptism, as this was also being done majorly by the Essene community with their dogma attached to daily life away from the Jerusalem system they opposed.
free.messianicbible.com/feature/mikvah-baptism-the-connection-between-immersion-conversion-and-being-born-again/
This article will real with the majority of what I dont have time to re-write.
There is also evidence in the Talmud that when you went under the head of a Rabbi you were also immersed into him by symbolism of water baptism (sadly I don't have that verse the Talmud is huge, but check it for history and youll learn alot)
Furthermore in the jewish wedding model the bride and the groom are baptized in water. John was the best man of Yeshua and this is why He was also baptized.
18:40
Given the fact that the talmud, the old testament, the Customs at the time, the Essene community the language in the descriptive passages in the New testament and the Didache all points towards actual water submersion (with the exeption of in rare circumstances mentioned in the Didache) thats a really weak argument. Also the Jordan River is a very deep River not to mention that there's descriptive passages of it overflowing in the Bible (Joshua 3:15)
20:19
Art is symbolic and thematic but not always literal. Going on from that I think we can get a pretty clear idea by all the above examples.
21:04
Paul is talking about keeping Passover not some man made ritualistic doctrine of a weekly or monthly Eucharist.
21:45
www.google.com/amp/s/aleteia.org/2017/07/25/how-the-scallop-shell-became-a-symbol-of-pilgrimage/amp
22:34
It seem like your projecting a spirit of legalism onto something that doesnt need to be complicated.
26:05
If you want to mention artistic renditions check out "Baptism of St. Paul by Anania, Cappella Palatina"
Beyond that this has already been mentioned but many houses had a Mikvah in them.
26:25
Saul become Paul? He had two names, one for the Romans and one as his hebrew name Shaul. This was common place
27:27
There were mikvah baths all over the temple grounds. Not only that but this was Pentecost a pilgrimage feast. I'm sure there would have been lots of preparation at the time for people to cleanse themselves before the temple services.
28:46
All things are possible through God.
And even if you're two above statements we're about sprinkling, very unlikely, you've made the exception the rule.
29:40
I see no issue here. Especially since women and children can eat the passover meal.
34:34
Circumcision is about covenantal relationship Genesis 17:13 and obedience to the commandments. There is also a commandment to circumcise the child on an 8th day, but there is no NT command for a child to be submerged in water. Why? The command is an individuals response.
Thank you for your time.
Excellent video! I was getting unsettled whether or not my infant son should be immersed in water (which really isn’t ideal for an 8 day old) but your exposition made it clear that pouring and sprinkling are valid. Thanks for this!
The Eastern Orthodox church dunk infants
Though I remain a convinced Baptist I do have to say that was probably the strongest presentation against credo-baptism I’ve heard, particularly regarding the semantic domain of baptizo.
I think this debate is not against credo baptism, this debate, and every debate on this subject will be credo baptism vs credo baptism AND infant baptism.
Mikvahs were a lot more common than you would think, so it's *possible* Paul could have stood up, gone over to a mikvah, gone down into it and been immersed. But I do think it makes a little more sense of the text if he was baptized standing by pouring or sprinkling. Even if there were enough mikvahs in Jerusalem to baptize the 3,000 in a day, it's hard to figure out how the logistics of administration of those baptisms would have worked.
Thank you! As a former Southern Baptist who has recently come to affirm the Presbyterian perspective on baptism, your insights have been most helpful and encouraging!
Households may have implied members, but there are no exclusions mentioned. Infants are not excluded. Just as “all have sinned”. No exclusions mentioned as well. As far as “believers baptism”. Psalm 22: 9-10 (which Jesus also referenced on the cross) is pretty straight forward. Babies can believe and therefore would & should be included in “believer’s baptism”
Good video. Thanks
Wow . What a great text. Thank you for sharing it
Some Baptist/Evangelical churches do baby dedications. They recognize the need to bring children in the fairh but miss the point of the covenant.
PCA pastor here who agrees with you regarding pouring over sprinkling. I'm fine with either however.
Lig Duncan points out that the only "baptism" that is ever specifically described is on the day of Pentecost. It explicitly says Jesus would baptize them and then it's described as a "pouring" out of the Spirit.
Thank you Brother for your respectful approach to such a "delicate" subject. My question would be if we should give any credence to the Didache in the process of baptism (e.g. the use of living water where possible). I realize that the Didache was not accepted as canon even though it was in consideration. However, it does seem to be a very reasonable operation manual for a congregation and I do believe many of the "technical" disputations would be resolved if this manual was considered seriously.
Presbyterianism is like a last stand on some aspects / traditions of "traditional church" (and I mean that in the most respectful way) before you entering the realm of evangelical non denominational/ baptist churches.
Examples: creeds and baptism.
Really enjoy your channel, love how you you respectfully explain everything
That is true, which is why it is the ultimate slippery slope (which I mean in the most respectful way as well).
@@brigadierharsh1948 my wife and I attend an Anglican church and we really do enjoy every Sunday we're able to go. I really appreciate the multiple scripture readings and the shorter (my attention span is so short) sermons that tie them together. The diocese does a good job at keeping the churches Relevant and respectful.
Well for me I started out Baptistic and became Presbyterian so rather than a last stand it was more of an arrival. :D
You got a shepherds heart. This is very helpful to me because we are visiting a Presbyterian Church again this Sunday. It is in OPC church, so I’m getting to know a little bit more about that as well. There’s not many theologically sound churches around me. The few that are around me are either letting wokeness creep in or still haven’t recovered from COVID and are still in fear.
This is really good - it's changing my perspective on Baptism! I may currently favor Presbyterianism already, but I hand't realized their method of baptism was also well supported biblically and historically.
Thank you for the wonderful teaching on baptism. Your wisdom is a beautiful gift from God!
"I might baptize your child while your not looking". Archie bunker did that on an episode of all in the family. I think he was Presbyterian but not sure.
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New subscriber and I was raised baptist. Love you brother.
Them long finger nails women wear is so gross
that’s false. hugs
Hi Pastor Matt. Paraphrasing the Didache, it says to baptize in running water, if none is available to baptize in "other" water, and if all else fails to pour water on the head three times. It seems like the pouring method was choice C not choice A. It also says both parties should fast before the baptism which would speak of an adult. Curious about your take on that. Your videos have been so helpful and informative..thank you so much!
Baptist here: appreciate the kind and thoughtful content of the video. One of the aspects that came to mind that wasn’t addressed was the Biblical Theology behind the ordinance itself. Meaning, we lose the image of the death, burial, and resurrection with Christ as we partake in baptism; and, a major image of Jesus’ baptism is that he enters dirty water after everyone else, symbolizing Him taking the sin of the world onto Himself to which He carries to the cross. I’d love your input on this. And just for fun, nearly every Baptist I know prefers the ESV, NASB, and NKJV. But we all love the KJV as well haha. Really, great and kind video. My response is in the same spirit if that hasn’t been communicated thus far. Blessings to you and your family.
They entombed people back then
I appreciate your time on this brother Matt. Thank you and God bless
I’ve always imagined that you the Israelites might have gotten sprinkled a bit at the Red Sea, like standing near a waterfall. Obviously not an immersion, though.
As a Baptist, the main reason I believe in baptism by immersion is because it is a picture of, and is how we identify with, the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus. I would reference Romans 6, and Colossians 2:12 "buried with Him in baptism" (NKJV). Being laid in the water pictures the death and burial, and raising up out of the water pictures the Christ rising up out of the grave. It's an outward showing of what happened spiritually in the new believer. Just offering my perspective. God bless you brother. I enjoy your channel
I often looked at it that way myself .. but consider Jesus was laid in a tomb and not buried as we know burial in the western understanding . Also when you see baptism as it’s shown in types in the Old Testament as an “ordeal by water” such as the Red Sea crossing (1 Corinthians 10) we begin to identify it as salvation and judgement through water . So our baptism into Christ is identifying with His death as our judgement of sin and our salvation and newness of life in His resurrection..
We sometimes joke in the OPC that the ones immersed in the Red Sea crossing were the Egyptians being judged by water as the Israelites were saved and sprinkled on their way through lol .
I was immersed btw when I came to faith but have since become reformed and Presbyterian in my understanding of baptism and covenant .
Anyway have a blessed Lords Day
Baptism is actually meant to be a picture of the giving of the Holy Spirit as water is often used as an image of the Spirit. It’s the Lord’s table or communion that is a picture of the death and resurrection of our Lord Jesus.
While I also think that is a beautiful picture, baptism can't be primarily a burial and resurrection ritual. Otherwise, it would've used dirt or something else. The use of water is indicative of cleansing (and maybe the spirit because of the fluidity of water).
Colossians 2 is talking about our union with Christ in all things, including death, burial, and resurrection. This is the reason it gives why we need not be circumcised. Our union with Christ being called "the circumcision of Christ" ... And that union being signified in baptism.
This is one reference paedobaptizers use to show the connection between the Old Testament covenant sign of circumcision with the New Testament sign of baptism. Both signs signify mortification of sin and marking membership among the visible community of the people of God.
Herman Ridderbos deals with that symbolism of inmersion (death&resurrection) in a chapter of his book entitiled " Paul: An Outline of His Theology" Check it out! Blessings
They entombed people back then 😅😅😅
I have been listening to his Gospel Fellowship series on Isaiah.
The primitive Christian church taught that baptism is how we access the blood of Christ and receive the remission of our sins.
Jesus said that if one is not born of water and the spirit, he in no way can enter into the kingdom of God.
It truly is sad that baptism is not properly taught in most churches.
Furthermore, if you are baptized as an outward sign of an inward change, that is nowhere supported biblically.
If you do not have a truly repentant heart, ready and willing to turn from your sins, baptism will do nothing for you and you will not be converted. Once you have been cleansed, and the slavery to sin is broken, you must then go and sin no more.
Transgressions committed in ignorance are yet forgivable, but you must never defy God after you have been converted.
To willfully commit sin after you have been converted is an act of defiance against God and is a form of idolatry.
Romans 6:4-6
Correction Pastor Matt, it's Mark 7:4, not 7:14.
You are right! Thank you sir.
@@MatthewEverhard you're most welcome. Thoroughly enjoyed your videos. Thank you for your great work. I'm from Far East, Malaysia.
Thank you for winsomely bringing up what can be a contentious issue. What we need is Jesus’ blood to cleanse us from our sins (Romans 3:25, 5;9, 1 John 1:7, Revelation 1:5).
Scripture is clear that Jesus made preaching the gospel his priority.
And he said unto them, Let us go into the next towns, that I may preach there also; for there came I forth. Mark 1:38
The same with Paul.
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel. 1 Corinthians 1:17a
Jn 20:21, "As the Father has sent Me, I also send you."
Jn 17:18, "Even as thou hast sent Me into the world, so I have sent them into the world."
Jn 17:22-23, "And the glory that thou hast given Me, I have given to
Matt. 28, 18-20: And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye, therefore. and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Mark 16:16 - Jesus says to the crowd, "He who believes and is baptized will be saved." But in reference to the same people, Jesus immediately follows with "He who does not believe will be condemned👏👏👏
Water baptism is a public declaration of faith for true believers as evidenced in the baptism of the Ethiopian. And little children belong to the Kingdom.
{At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?” Then Jesus called a little child to Him, set him in the midst of them, and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. Whoever receives one little child like this in My name receives Me. “But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Woe to the world because of offenses! For offenses must come, but woe to that man by whom the offense comes! “If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the everlasting fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire. “Take heed that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that in heaven their angels always see the face of My Father who is in heaven. For the Son of Man has come to save that which was lost. “What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying? And if he should find it, assuredly, I say to you, he rejoices more over that sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray. Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish. - Matthew 18:1-14, NKJV}
The children in this scenario were covenant children...
Or are you asserting an age of accountability ??
The dual profession is a new innovation...
Does your church permit baptism by immersion if the person wants that?
The WCF explicitly accepts immersion and every PCA I've been to will baptized by immersion if the member has objections to other modes.
As a pastor, by providence, currently serving in Reformed Baptist Churches, but having been examined and ordained in the Orthodox Presbyterian Church, I contend all submersions are immersions but not all immersions are submersions 😀Immersion means to be made one with, for two properties to become one with each other - yes, when one is submerged in water, they are becoming one with the water, but so is a person having water being poured on them. For my evangelical, credo-baptistic brethren to insist upon submersion as the only mode of water baptism is a misunderstanding of the Greek language, and of God's word. I agree, submerging a professing believer in the water, and bringing them up out of the water, is a beautiful sign of being buried with Christ and raised with Christ, but this is a man made practice and not a biblically directed practice. Blessings to all😊
Excellent exposition pastor!!
Jesus Christ’s Death, Burial & Resurrection Offers Forgiveness & Justification To All Men By Grace Through Faith Alone.
Loved this video, very interesting and great information. I’ll hold back my further comments but I agree with the information here.
Just thanking God for the learning. Watching from the Philippines
Reading Genesis 17 again, I wonder off the faith required for circumcision, and therefore of baptism about the faith of the child, or is it about the faith of the parents that God is faithful and will be with their child?
OIKOS covenant
@@bigtobacco1098 please help me understand. I don’t know what you’re trying to say. Could you give me some more detail?
@@troysgt what are you having trouble with ??
@troysgt over half the baptisms in the new testament are household baptisms... zero exclusions
@@bigtobacco1098 you said, “OIKOS covenant”, I have no idea what an okios covenant is, therefore no idea how it helps, or how it contributes to the video or my question. Thanks.
I am a Baptist and I love you.
Very good video. Thank you for your work here. I've learned much.
Thank you Pastor Matt. Very informative 👍🏽
I'm in the middle on the issue. My wife is more passionate about believer's baptism so we are attending a Baptist church. From what I understand scripture doesn't explicitly say which side is correct.
Believers Baptism is the Biblical Baptism. (Complete defence)
- Lord Jesus, Peter and Paul always preached First Believe, Repent and then second Baptise =
Mark 16:16
16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
Acts 2:38
38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 18:8
8 Then Crispus, the ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his household. And many of the Corinthians, hearing, believed and were baptized.
Acts 16:31-33
31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” 32 Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. 33 And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes. And immediately he and all his family were baptized.
Acts 2:41
41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.
So as you can see First is Repentance and then Baptism. And babies can't do both of those
1 Peter 3:21
21 There is also an antitype which now saves us-baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, ( notice how it says ANSWER OF GOOD CONSCIENCE, which a infant can't do)
- Paul talks in Colossians 2:11 about circumcision without hands which is by believing in Lord Jesus Christ, and then continues in Colossians 2:12 about baptism by believing. So as you can see again first came belief and then Baptisim. (And yes both circumcision and Baptisim in this verses are not not actually physical rather Spiritual)
- second reason= there is not one example is baby getting baptized (little children getting baptized yes not infant)
- third reason - babies born to Christians are Holy from the time they are born,
1 Corinthians 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband; otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy. ((Some one would say " you also get holy when believed in Lord Jesus Christ and Gospel then you don't have the need to get baptise just like you Baby. But I'm holy because of I believe in God the Father, Lord Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit . But my baby is holy because I'm a Believer. Even a unbelieving wife is sanctified because of her Christian husband and a unbelieving husband is sanctified because of her Christian wife.
And don't compare circumcision with baptism, it's like comparing hand with legs those are two very different things. And Bible does talk about circumcision of heart.
And also circumcision was not give to girls.
- in Samuel 12:18 David's son died on the 7th day (circumcision is made on 8th day), without circumcision. But in 2 Samuel 12:22 David said that "he will go to the child the child will not come to him" meaning he will meet the child in Heaven.
- one of the most important text is Hebrew.
Hebrews 11:6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
Without faith it is impossible to please God & if someone is coming to must believe that He is. And babies can't do that they can believe because their brain is not developed yet.
(There no such pratice as infant Baptisim in Judaism. John the Baptist Baptisim adults "Saying believe the One coming after me" which is Lord JESUS, and most importantly Lord Jesus Christ Himself was Baptised at 30).
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Difference between Receiving the Holy Spirit, and being filled with the Holy Spirit, and Baptisim of Holy Spirit and Baptisim of water
Acts 1:5
5 for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” (difference between Baptism of Holy Spirit and water)
In John 20:22 apostles received the Holy Spirit (John 20:22
22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.), In Acts 2:4 they were filled with Holy Spirit (Acts 2:4
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.) You can see the difference
Paul first was filled with Holy Spirit and then got baptised with water Acts 9:17-18.
In Acts 19 paul found some disciples in Ephesus. Who believed in Lord Jesus and baptised in John's Baptisim (water), paul explained that John preached the baptisim of repentance that is to believe in the one who is coming after him that is Lord Jesus Christ. Then they were baptized in the Name of Lord Jesus Christ and then paul laid hands on them and then Holy Spirit came on them and they spoke in tongues and prophesied.
In Acts 10:44 as Peter was speaking the word of God Holy Spirit fell on those who heard the word. And then after receiving the Holy Spirit they got Baptised Acts 10:47-48.
Acts 8:14-17
14 Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, 15 who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. 16 For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.
If you asked someone to buy milk and eggs and you later found out that they bought eggs and milk, do you get upset at them, or do you realize that "and" doesn't demand an order to the items in the set, just that both happen?
Professors ... we don't know who is truly believing...
Over half the baptisms in scripture are OIKOS covenant baptism
Great video!
Your video has made me think that perhaps there is nothing wrong with sprinkling/pouring baptism even though I prefer the idea of immersion because it’s what I was taught and how I picture what I read in the bible, even if the picture in my mind’s eye is not accurate.
It doesn’t seem like you have an objection to immersion baptism though and I wonder if the pouring method is a stumbling block for some people and if you are of the opinion that it can be done both ways might be better as immersion as everyone can agree (I think) that immersion is either THE way or A way that is acceptable.
Immersion, pouring, and sprinkling are all acceptable forms of baptism. God is more concerned with the symbol and the thing being symbolized than he is with the religious mode.
In the earliest Christian writing, the Didache, it says to baptize in running water, if none is available to baptize in "other" water, and if all else fails to pour water on the head three times. It seems like the pouring method was choice C not choice A. It also says both parties should fast before the baptism which would speak of an adult. It also draws a clear distinction between baptism and pouring since both are mentioned.
Didache 7:1-7 But concerning baptism, thus shall ye baptize. Having first recited all these things, baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost in living water. But if thou hast not living water, then baptize in other water; and if thou art not able in cold, then in warm. But if thou hast neither, then pour water on the head thrice in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. But before the baptism let him that baptizeth and him that is baptized fast, and any others also who are able; and thou shalt order him that is baptized to fast a day or two before.
@@DrGero15 The way that reads seems like it has more to do with using fresh water that won't make people sick and use stagnant water sources only when you have to. And even then, prefer cold sources rather than warm water where it is more likely for dangerous algae blooms and other bad things to grow. Flowing water would include streams and brooks that aren't deep enough to immerse.
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Saul doesn't become Paul. He is both. He has two names. :)
Love your content and will continue to watch. But is “You can’t show me a woman receiving the supper so I don’t have to show a baby being baptized” a sound argument? The command to take the supper is given to the church as the church. What else needs to be said?
Would you baptize the child of a believer that was an unbelieving 10 year old? If not, on what grounds? I would assume it’s because they don’t profess the faith. But why don’t they profess the faith? Because they’re dead in their sins and need to be regenerated. But that would be true of an infant as well. This looks like a lot of reaching to me.
Lutherans seem a lot more consistent on this subject than Presbyterians are.
The women/communion argument is a reductio ad absurdim, so yes, it is supposed to be a bit silly. The point is that just as we don't disqualify women from taking the Supper because we cannot identify a sure instance by name, location etc., neither then do we disqualify infants by the same measure. In both cases, we have the force of command for the whole church. See Acts 2:39-41 for children and baptism.
@@MatthewEverhard Thanks for the response. But it wouldn’t be by ‘the same measure’. Ones a direct command and ones not. That would be why women in communion would be practiced and infant baptism not.
I would have loved an interaction with my other point about baptizing older unbelieving children, but hey, maybe a good video in the future. Would enjoy your interaction with the question. Thanks for responding and for your wonderful ministry. God bless.
OIKOS covenant baptism is the standard for all new testament baptisms
@dylanwagoner9768 the federal head decides who gets baptisms in their house
Very informative video, thank you. I realize I'm a year late to this party but I'm curious what your response would be to the following:
"Nowhere does the New Testament indicate that water baptism is the sign of the New Covenant. Rather, following salvation, it is a witness to one's salvational faith (Acts 18:8). The cup of the Lord's Supper is the sign of the New Covenant" (Luke 22:20; 1 Corinthians 10:25)
Quote is from Floyd H. Barackman's Practical Christian Theology
I am a liberal (on baptism ) baptist who accepts all trinity baptism
For the edification of others: Didache
Chapter 7. Concerning Baptism
And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, Matthew 28:19 in living water. But if you have not living water, baptize into other water; and if you can not in cold, in warm. But if you have not either, pour out water thrice upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit. But before the baptism let the baptizer fast, and the baptized, and whatever others can; but you shall order the baptized to fast one or two days before.
Jerusalem: “there are not rivers and pools of water….”
Au contraire……. The area around the Temple is filled with Mikveh bath structures for the purification of those going up to the temple, these were “tanks” carved into the rock with one staircase going down, another stone staircase coming out in order to effect purification before aliyah to the Temple. I am Baptist, though with significant presbyterian influence. The people in 1st century Israel did not speak Greek (though as a second language, was not uncommon), but Aramaic, far more closely related to Hebrew, which many also were familiar with. The 1st century would have understood it as submerge C’s. Why go to the Jordan? There were jugs of water, skins of water, multiple springs, why take a very very long 2 or 3-day hike to the Jordan in the wilderness? Because John would would have been denied access to the mikveh facilities, because they were controlled by the Jewish authorities. To this day, there are “ baptistries” in most synagogues. Conversion to Orthodox Judaism requires immersive baptism, before the wedding, immersion (a symbol of purification) is required. Some more wealthy people had baptismal facilities in their homes ( please check your archeology)
So baptism is for purification
I quite recently wrote a short paper on infant baptism for seminary last trimester. I’ll email it to you and maybe you could give me some comments. It has already been submitted and graded so don’t worry that I might just be getting some ideas from you. Thanks!
Matthew, what convinced me (formerly a Baptist) wasn’t what you said, sorry, but was when Scripture opened my eyes to the unity of the Bible. Whether in so-called (a human division) OT or NT, salvation was by faith. What bothers me now, is, tell me, what about people like Esau and Ishmael. We can be sure they were circumcised but how can that be a sign of righteousness by faith in those 2 cases? Esau had the sign (of faith through circumcision) but God rejected him! Surely, neither circumcision nor baptism saves. Are you saying that infant baptism saves? As a sign of faith? No way, I see lots of apostates who deny Christ, telling me they are non-religious & have no faith in any God but such had been baptised as infants. What’s yr take on this?
The sign and the thing signified are not the same.
Mark Chapter 7 verse 4?
Lutherans do it best :)
You would agree however that words have meaning in their context.None of your examples was speaking of baptism in context.
Acts 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how HE said. John indeed baptized with water, but ye shall be baptized by the Holy Spirit. Ephesians 1:13-14. Water baptism is an outward expression of ones faith in Jesus as our only hope of heaven. The death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus.
John 3:16-18. For God so loved the world, First John 2:2, that HE gave His only begotten Son, Jesus, That WHOSOEVER, anyone, believeth on Him, should not perish, but HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE. For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world, but through Him we might be saved.
Believers are no longer condemned to hell, but UNBELIEVERS are condemned already because they have not believed on the name of the Son of God.
The gospel. First Corinthians 15:1-4. Galatians 1:6-9. Though we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel unto you than that we have preached unto you, LET HIM BE ACCURSED. As we said before, so say I again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received from us, LET HIM BE ACCURSED.
A false message produces false converts. Matthew 7:15-23. Those that trust in their own works are told, depart from me, I never KNEW YOU. They never did the will of His Father in Heaven. John 6:40, and John 6:29. They trusted in what they did, not what Jesus did for us.
Hello Pastor Matt!
I am extremely convinced and very much heavily leaning towards a pouring paedo-baptist position. However, I have one question that keeps me from diving in (pun partially intended!)
The New Covenant is initiated by the death of Christ on the cross (shout out to the Book of Hebrews). The question is then: how can baptism be the new covenant sign+seal “replacement” of circumcision if it in of itself is an OLD COVENANT sacrament? Remember John The Baptist baptized the alive and well, non-crucified Jesus. This was still the Old Covenant. I consider myself Covenantal in my theology, but I think the dispensationalist would be right to point out the very clear distinction between the Old and New Covenant here. Of course, baptism IS practiced in the New Covenant. This is really a question regarding the continuity of baptism and circumcision. From my understanding, they were both Old Covenant ordinances that point to the Work of the Holy Spirit.
I appreciate your work, Pastor Matt! God bless your ministry!
- J.C.
I don't know, but doesn't everyone wash their hands and cups and plates and tables before a meal? Gee, I wonder where that idea originated from. Better not get mommy angry right?
Acts 8:26-39(especially 36-39) refutes any defense of pouring/sprinkling. Three minutes in, you have not mentioned anything in Scripture. Earlier you threw out the Westminster Standards. Sola Scriptura my friend, Sola Scripture. Micah 6:8
On the contrary, it seems to refute the Baptist position. Since both Philip and the Eunuch went down to and up from the water, if this is immersion, then the Baptist is in error if the pastor isn't being immersed at the same time. But that isn't how they practice immersion. So either the language isn't about immersion and the Baptist case is not yet established, or the Baptist is violating the clear precedence of this scripture.
I thing there is an easier and more natural explanation. Consider: You find a natural body of water while walking outside. What direction do you go to move nearer to the water? Down. What direction do you go to move away from the water and to dry ground? Up. Why? Because gravity. Water collects in natural basins. It doesn't float in liquid form in the air. A naturally occurring stream or pond is going to be lower in elevation than the dry path.
I appreciate your christian spirit, but in some cases you are not using complete information or current scholorship in your conclusions - for example the cleansing procedures that were employed and the way baptizo was used in 2TJ.
Your thoughts on Paedocommunion. The typical response that I come across regarding this topic seems to only bring up federal vision for the new perspective on Paul. I’m very much a student of theology and have recently come across this theological doctrine. so if you can separate FV from Paedocommunion.
I am not interested in FV or new perspective on Paul, strictly Paedocommunion. Personally wrestling through the theology and the history currently and would just simply like your perspective please. I find this doctrine interesting.
(member of the OPC)
This isn’t Mark 7:14
It's Mark 7:4, NOT Mark 7:14. Good video as usual.
I would argue we do know how they would have done it. We know that John and Jesus were first century Jews and they didn't make up the concept of baptism, it was already being practiced in Judaism as the mikva. Immersion in water. We know from archeology and from their own history how they did it.
With that said though I would argue that it doesn't really matter. God does know your heart and there is no exact way to do it and if you don't do it that way you are not baptized correctly.
This is one place where we, Wesleyans, are on the same page with our Presbyterian sisters and brothers. Thorough video! - Sharing.
I was baptized when I was a newborn in a Lutheran Church. Then I was on a deployment and went to the Jordan river and was baptized with full immersion by a Baptist Chaplain. I figured it wouldn’t hurt or take hardly any extra time to cover both ways and the second time was uplifting.
No rebaptisms in scripture
You meant Mark 7:4, not 7:14. I’m surprised that nobody caught this after 2 years and 7,200 views
I believe you went way too far off course you at around 23:oo about In a River .. in the Jordan River .. guy with a Camel 🐪 hair coat .. outside etc being 30 .. etc 😮
I'm currently looking into the paedobaptist views, this video was very helpful. I've ordered a couple books, but one question I have is, in NT Greek, is there a word that indicates water immersion other than baptizo? If so, what is it? If not, and baptizo is the only one, then the meaning is always left to context, and at times may be ambiguous, i.e., a baptist may agree a "table" or "couch" does not get immersed, but he may argue a person is immersed, as the many immersion baths in ancient synagogues and the fact that "much water" was needed (John 3:23) for the baptism by John would indicate.
I would say the table and couch have the water applied where they are dirty, that is what cleansing means. Where do you have the dirt of sin on you? I had it all over me before it was washed away.
Almost all the reformed teachers are of the same system of infants Baptism. We, classical Pentecostals, Baptist and the Brothern teachers very clearly condemned as nonscriptural and was not early believers practice of it.
Church has it's beginning at the times of apostles. Dark history of Church and reformation are not we, true believers should continue.
I'm also having concerns about Holy Spirit that baptize every one is a key element of fellowship to experience the real joy, peace and strength in Christianity.
Pastor. HABEL JOSEPH.
affusion
The same Greek word for "table" is the same Greek word for when Jesus heals the lame man to pick up his mat and walk. If it's small enough to roll up and carry it's small enough to submerge. To assume they were using tables the size of our days is anachronistic. Look up baptizo in BDAG or any modern lexicon.
True enough! But in that case the task is all the more arduous given that either (a) the whole family sat on one mat as they ate (pretty large!), or (b) they had to bring them all separately (five, six, seven, eight of these things?) down to the river for ceremonial dunking! That's a lot of mat washing for every meal!
@@MatthewEverhard You would have to study first-century Judaism to understand in context what was meant by washing. I'm not an expert on that, but I can tell you that today's orthodox Judaism does require cooking vessels and utensils to be ceremonially immersed _once_ after purchase. It's not done before every meal! Google "Tevilat Kelim" for more information. It is possible that the Pharisees extended this requirement to other items. But you are making assumptions without providing any supporting evidence. I also note that Mark 7:14 contains a textual variant in regard to "tables", so it is not really valid to draw inferences from this verse. I am actually neutral on the subject of baptism, as I have belonged to churches of both persuasions, but I do think you are reading the text from a biased viewpoint, but then credobaptists do exactly the same thing to support their position.
My buddy and i attended a PCA church, loved the focus on doctrine. When Baptism came up, we yawned and endured it because our kids are grown.
I hear what you're saying, but the beauty of the blessings of God in baptism are for all of us, even those who are already baptized!
A certain pastor was electrocuted
When performing baptism by immersion
Apparently the microphone cord
Short circuits in the water
Play it safe with infant baptism
Not immersion
The thief on the cross never had it!
the thief died before Christ and the Great Commission to go out and Baptize😁😁
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Mt28v19
Baptising all nations
Obviously infant baptism!
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"Peter said to them;...'be Baptized everyone of you in the Name of Jesus Christ...and you shall receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost...For the promise is to you, AND TO YOUR CHILDREN and to all'..." The Acts 2:38-39😁😁 - "As for me and my house, we will serve
the LORD"
- servant healed because of centurion's faith
- daughter healed because of the Canaanite woman's faith
- (It is not the will of God that children be damned.)
- "Let the children come to me"
- let the children come, for such is the kingdom of Heaven
- just say the word, and let my servant be healed
- people were bringing even infants to him ... whoever
does not accept the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it."
- (No one enters heaven without baptism of water
and spirit)
- (Paul and Silas baptize Lydia and her whole household)
- (Paul and Silas baptize a prison guard and his whole
family)
- (Crispus, his family, and other Corinthians are baptized)
- all are born with Adam's sin and need baptism
- "I baptized the household of Stephanas"
- baptism has replaced circumcision
- Mark 10:13-16, Luke 18:15, Acts 2:39, 1 Corinthians 15:22
Simon the sorcerer believed and was baptised but didn't
Receive the Holy Spirit!
Jesus was dunked
Can't be proven
Don’t really have a pony in this race, but your exegesis of Ro 4:11 doesn’t make your point. Abraham received circumcision as a sign of his faith when he was 99, after a quarter century of trusting God without circumcision. He is the father of the uncircumcised only if they live by the faith he had while he was uncircumcised (v 12). Also, if baptism is a continuation of circumcision, then 50% of the people don’t need to be baptized (women). Enjoyed your talk and your irenic tone.
Not a sign of faith, a sign of the "righteousness had by faith." Key difference. This sign then is to be placed on 8-day old infants!
Hi Dave, as a former baptist, I never understood why reformed people always referenced Rom 4:11 either. However, like Matt said, the key difference is: 1) Is baptism a sign of my profession of faith? Or 2) is baptism a sign of righteousness?
If Rom 4:11 is the latter view, then it supports the reformed view of infant baptism.
However you might say "But this righteous is based on faith, wouldnt the faith element exclude infants?" My response would be why was circumcision, a sign of a faith-based righteous, applied to infants? As I see it, any objection raised against infant baptism can be raised against infant circumcision.
Hope that clarifies!
There are more sea monsters [Leviathans] in the Bible than there are infant baptisms.
That’s just not true.
Or 21 year old baptisms
Or 40 year old baptisms
But over half the baptisms in scripture are OIKOS covenant baptism
Credobaptist here. To me is biblical. No more arguments.
I like all kinds of conservative Reformed Christians. On several issues, I'm with Presbyterian and Episcopalian Reformed. On the issue of when to baptize, I became convinced of the Credobaptist position. As for mode, I truly believe the ordinary mode is immersion. However, in extraordinary situations, pouring or sprinkling.
The Didache is not canonical scripture since at least the 4th Century. However, many early Christian centers considered the Didache to be scripture. I think its one of two documents of the Apostolic Fathers, along with 1st Clement, as almost holy writ, but not quite. The Didache gives the ordinary mode of Baptism as immersion. However, it gives other modes for extraordinary circumstances.
I think the historical records shows infant baptism not practiced until after the 1st century.
However, even though Paedobaptists are wrong on when to baptize 😁 in my opinion, that doesn't mean Paedobaptists are not good believers.
So, my opinion is just that, an opinion.
OIKOS covenant baptism is the standard for all new testament baptisms
Love your teachings and thought I could be a part of this denomination. Until this video. Very disturbing
may I know what about the video exactly thar disturbs u?
Yes, Having been on both sides of the issue I am not sure what could have been disturbing about that presentation.
The traditions of men.
Eveyone go look up the Didache
You know what they say about assumptions.
It seems to me you are taking a defensive stand, understandable. Try not to prove one right or one wrong. I don't think you would argue that the picture of professed/submersion is a better picture of what happens to one spiritually when they become part of God's family then what you are supporting.
You like pouring, cool. Where on the body do you pour water? The Heart, as it says in Romans?
Baptizo does not mean to dip in water
It has a broad array of meanings (like many words) including immerse, saturate, dip, sprinkle, and pour. Anyone that tells you otherwise is not being honest with the lexical data.
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No. According to the lexical data it means to stain or die.
The abridged versions of some lexicons have changed their definitions. But in the koine the term always meant to stain or die or to have a permanent effect on what was covered.
I'm positive I've read more on it than you have.
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