@@metrowireless3381 Google James Blunt's Twitter responses. He is notorious for posting outrageous replies to when people criticize him on Twitter (and people love to hate him). He is very good at laughing at himself, but he can dish out some savagely funny lines as well.
This comment made me laugh loudest today Thanks for that What other shit music is on Spotify I mean technically you can access music a thousand ways without Spotify World Party Party for global restoration C-Anon
I like Joe Rogan. He has a wide range of guests with interesting and controversial things to say. What I don’t do is base my medical decisions on the opinions of a mixed martial artist, TV celebrity and podcaster because I’m not an idiot. For the record, Rogan isn’t anti-vax.
This is disingenuous at best. Rogan has a habit of giving people with antivax messaging a huge platform, much larger than they ever would have had, to get their talk out. The best you can say is Joe just lets them be, or he’s high and having a laugh at their expense. He’s enabling the message.
It's not a matter of the "opinions of a mixed martial artist, TV celebrity and podcaster", but those of the people he gives a platform to, a hugely diverse range but including some who, despite being heavy hitters in medical science, are spreading "misinformation", apparently. This "cancel" campaign is squarely aimed at stopping you, me and everyone else getting to hear them. If it's not censorship, what is?
@@Mudder1310 have you listened to the podcast with Robert Malone? If you haven’t, you can’t comment on Rogan’s position. I’m half way through it, because I wanted to hear exactly what was said. I was surprised to find Malone is vaccinated himself, as am I x2 and boosted. I also caught covid after I was vaccinated. It’s interesting to think that a while ago, saying that the vaccine wouldn’t protect you from covid would have put you at risk of being deplatformed. What I mostly support is free speech. Malone was a respected virologist. If he has something to say, I want to hear it... then I can make my own mind up.
Incidentally, the misinformation in question is because he interviewed the inventor of MRNA vaccine technology, who is critical of these specific vaccines. He is also vaccinated himself. Agree with him or not, he's more than qualified to give his opinion, being that he is an expert in the field. Not that anyone is unqualified to give their opinion. That's what free speech and open discourse is all about.
It was a senior member of a large team who invented MRNA vaccines who wasn't involved in the more recent developments of the technology so although he is better educated than you or I he isn't the ultimate authority on the subject
mRNA technology was also discovered 20 yrs prior to Robert Malones "discovery" and also first used in vaccine experiments 15yrs prior to Malones discovery. I'm not denying he knows his shit when it comes to immunology or vaccines but I feel he is exaggerated his claim a fair bit.
@@stevec6427 Neither are you or Neil Young for that matter. Point is people can say what they want and listen to what they want without the approval of anyone. And aging "rockers" trying to censor someone is absolute irony.
@@neuralmute one should educate themselves on both sides of the story before commenting at all. Maybe watch the episodes in question, familiarise yourself with the podcast, the data, and the subject at hand in general, critically think about it then make a statement.
@@neuralmute the real subject is about whether Joe Rogan is giving misinformation. To suddenly care about Spotify when you don't know about that subject is just muddying the waters.
I love the fact that you are able to express your opinion without discounting other perspectives and that you don't seem to feel the need to try to edit out the possibility of other view points. Respect. Too bad we don't see more of that these days. Keep rocking Brother!
But justin did say what side he was on, and did rubbish spotify (as much as his contract would allow, presumably) and come down on NY's side, which is wrong, because NY was wrong, and basically used a false vaccine narrative to push some left-wing spite. Labelling JR's output as false news, or anti vax or 'dangerous' is clearly wrong, and is both out of context and exaggeration. What a pathetic way to try and manipulate people. Let's just say that some of the people who worked with NY do not speak very highly of him, including Steven Stills, who I like very much.
JRE podcast isn't an anti-vax podcast. I've been vaccinated. I don't really care for the political discussion on TH-cam. But I've watched JRE for years and I find it utterly absurd to hear people describing the podcast as anti-vax. Imagine I respond to this absurdity by demanding everyone be cancelled 🤦♂️
People who describe it that way have never watched the podcast, Rogan wasn’t telling anyone not to get vaccinated, rather questioning why certain viral drugs were not being implemented as early treatment, and also championing people to get off their couches and do some exercise, God forbid we should have people telling the general public to stop being so obese, I doubt Neil young has ever actually sat down and watched a Rogan podcast in his life, he’s just carefully picking out the words that outrage him without understanding context
I feel like the people who are boycotting Joe Rogan have never listened to a Joe Rogan podcast, they've only been provided clips through the bias of their 3rd party sources.
I used to watch Rogan before the tidal wave of anti-vax nonsense and the crap tonne of psuedo-scientists he invites on now. I used to appreciate getting a different perspective, but since he's moved to Texas it feels like he's gone off the deep end. I can only watch so much bloody Brett Weinstein and Jordan Peterson word salads.
It’s not anti-vaxx nonsense though. A lot of claims from these other drs and scientists are later being backed up with evidence. I keep seeing this repeatedly. TH-cam we’re literally banning videos quoting the cdc calling their videos misinformation because actual factual data was going against the narrative! Dr fauci and the uk government have shared misinformation. The mainstream media have done so repeatedly but as long as they stick to the current BS narrative it’s considered okay. This is political and not remotely about covid. Not everyone will be correct or honest every time in either side, but open conversation and consideration is essential. It’s now proven that covid spreads the same whether vaccinated or unvaccinated. They admitted they were over reporting deaths. The alternative media was reporting this 2 years ago and had evidence and the mainstream called that misinformation for 2 years. It’s a game of admit everything 2 years later, so I guess in 2 years the penny will drop regarding the lies they’re telling now.
@@staylor8935 you dont really gasp the concept of how science works, do you? science isnt about taking a stance, it is about learning how things work and how can we improve etc etc.. it's only dumbasses who stick to one side and say scientists are wrong.. guess what, scientists will never deny they were wrong once new evidence is found.. you can never win over a scientist.. either they (scientists around the world) have looked at what is currently available and concluded something to be true.. and IF you were to come up with a new theory that breaks the old one, well they will just be happy about it and keep on working. all famous scientists and inventors have been wrong plenty of times.. guess what, pluto was a planet when i went to school.. that was the correct term at the time.
He's not anti-vax. He's simply in favour of informed consent, which implies a person by person evaluation of their own risk/benefit analysis. He has quite explicitly said that people who are at higher risk of getting seriously ill or dying from covid should probably take the vaccine, and younger, healthier people probably don't need to, but it's not one size fits all.
Spotify is now a podcast and music platform, if censorship of debate and discussion is tolerable, then it’s also tolerable to censor music. Seeing as Mr Young wrote many protest songs and famously sang about rocking the free world, I find this very hypocritical.
Neil Young needs to worry about his own self it seems like he follows the communist government closely and he is very selfish because he thinks everybody's got to get the needle to go to his concerts he's not worried about other people's beliefs and he doesn't care if people think the vaccine will kill them. Neil Young is an idiot and disrespectful for who people are
@@georgebarry8640 well, i think its that Neil is calling for Rogan to BE censored. He obviously has the right to take his music off of Spotify but it was only at the cost of Joe Rogan not getting deplatformed / censored. All at the same time, neil's totally fine working with apple, youtube, facebook etc ? as if those companies are SOOOO much more ethical than Joe Rogan's podcast haha it's absolutely ridiculous.
The best reaction to this situation so far is James Blunt's threat to release new music if Joe Rogan isn't removed. Whether you like James Blunt's music or not, you have to love his sense of humour.
Niel young is from a beautiful generation who spoke for freedom but sadly alot of these musicians who held the standard of anti establishment are really just Larping. Rage against the machine have jumped because the government has told them how high.
Great stuff. I always thought Justin seemed like an interesting dude, but the Darkness doesn't really fall into the sweet spot of my music tastes. Sure enough, after watching these pods, my inklings are confirmed... total legend and more importantly, someone capable of expressing thoughtful nuanced opinions. Love it 🤘
Hey Tim, you rock! Neil is getting a lot of hate at the moment - can you comment on his guitar playing? I for one think he is one of the true greats...for example the imagery in Cortez the Killer as his solo takes you dancing across the water... like boats on the journey...is fantastic and visionary. As a true master of the instrument yourself I'd love to hear you opine on Neil's guitar work :)
@@wattage2007 compositionally it's a novel approach though...and illustrative. FYI I'm actually pretty hard to impress...I've been playing myself for 30 years so have listened to a lot of guitar.
@@badgasaurus4211 arf arf ...it's the first line: "He came dancing across the water with his galleons and guns...searching for the new world and a palace in the sun"...
@@pez--- Neil is a wonderfully expressive guitar player, probably not ever going to be listed with the "greats" but he's also a lot more interesting to hear than some of the ones that would make the list, IMO. But I'm not cool with this move he's making. Since when did the old hippies become part of the establishment? Lol.
In January 2021., Neil Young sold 50% of his songs to Hipgnosis Songs Fund. Hipgnosis Songs Fund is now owned by The Blackstone Group which "has invested in companies with links to the commercialization and deforestation of the Amazon rainforest", and according to a UN report, after the 2008 financial crisis "abused [their] tenants [in single family homes] with exorbitant fees, rent hikes, and aggressive eviction practices, and that Blackstone's real estate practices had a disproportionate impact on communities of color, in part because the company targeted foreclosures resulting from subprime loans." Neil seemingly has no issue with this. He allegedly made something in the neighborhood of 50 mil. Joe Rogan having an open conversation though.... *that* must not be tolerated.
It's not an open conversation, it's the calculated selection of guests with outlying opinions on a public health issue and allowing them to promote dangerous misinformation on a show that is given huge promotion by Spotify.
@@rocketqueen232 You mean how your president said if you get the vaccine you won't get covid and it will stop the spread? Rogan didn't make any claims about vaccines like that. You are the problem. You are duped so keep rockin in the FREE world 😆
Neil Young has effectively said he has absolutely no problem with the thousands of songs that are aggressively misogynistic and homophobic, but he really can't stand Joe Rogan talking to doctors. This isn't a stance that really stands up to any level of scrutiny. Either you believe in free speech or you don't, and Neil has told us he does not.
What a load of crap. Ignorant comment. If he doesn't like Rogan and his views or guests, does he not have the "Freedom" & "Rights" to remove his music? He also has "Free Speech" to state his opinion, doesn't he? I won't comment on your use of the "misogynistic and homophobic" statement other than, what exactly are YOU doing to help stop the airing of these type of songs? Smoke another bowl, chew some CBD gummies and try to get out of the basement more.
You can still play Neil Young's music on Spotify, seeing as he flogged off most of his catalogue last year. Thanks to Neil, Joe Rogan is now also worth 3 times more than he was last week. The only people who stand to lose from this are smaller indie artists who are earning an income from Spotify.
I find James Blunt's threat to release new music far more problematic 😂 But also, Joe Rogan isn't anti vax. He has come to his own conclusion and decided that he would prefer to opt out, but does not try to push this onto his listeners. CNN would suggest the opposite however.
I used to listen to Joe Rogan a few years ago, I understand that his pod cast is more popular than a lot of mainstream media outlets now which is what’s driving there desire to sabotage him somewhat. At the same time tho Rogan is given massive amounts of air time to these alternative medicine quacks who should absolutely not be listened to regarding public health. I think the problem is that podcasts don’t have the same regulations that mainstream media has so this kind of dangerous programming really goes unchecked. Rogan always had this kooky outside perspective on conspiracy theories and it’s entertaining to listen to. I just think this very real global pandemic is a bit more serious and so he should be more careful with what he says.
@@thomasharris7881 So the doctor who helped create mRNA treatment is an alternative medicine quack? Would love to see a citation for that. Sounds like you're spreading misinformation.
I can vouch for Tidal. It was at least started by artists (I guess someone else owns it now? Not sure), it allows 48k 24bit (better than CD quality) streaming, and they are moving toward a user-centric payment system for artists (basically if a listener only listens to 3 or 4 bands, the user's subscription money goes to those bands only.
It is not better than cd quality, you have been sold a lie and should maybe do some research on that claim - MQA is lossy, go watch a video by GoldenSounds exposing their bull Sh1t claims, with all the technical evidence to support his claim. Or watch Paul @ PS Audio refute the claims of MQA, amongst a host of others…
I do both. There is no income from spotify, but it is kinda like a radio, I find, I am long past needing money from music and treat it as a semi-pro's hobby. Good luck.
@@everyinchtheanimal i mean,it didn't work wonders for my first release,coz i had bad marketing, didn't even try,but made some hype for my second one,and pretty pleased, financially maybe not,got more money from itunes and apple store But most people go there to listen or TH-cam
I am a fan of Joni Mitchell and Neil Young's music but I was so surprised and disappointed they decided to pick this fight. I think it's so condescending for them to think the average person is incapable of thinking for themselves. I'm sure Joe Rogan would jump at the chance to have the two of them come on the podcast and debate the issue. I always thought JM and NY were proper old school liberals who would stand up for freedom! I was wrong.
I'm not sure NY and JM see this as anything to do with anybody other than themselves and their wish not to share a platform with somebody they believe is spreading falsehoods, and that surely is their right, regardless of what "the average person" thinks?...FWIW I personally think EVERY artist should boycott Spotify for a multitude of reasons...But then I listen to all my music on a Dansette in the parlour.
Exactly! Censoring people based on their beliefs is just the thing that the counterculture was fighting against and now JM and NY are doing it. My views are very left wing but I would never agree to blocking those on the right to have a voice/platform to express their views.
Joe Rogan never gave misleading statements about vaccines. He had a Dr who was for vaccines, he ended up knowing more than her, which is scary. Then he had a Dr who was against them, he always discusses both sides of the subject. He has some top specialists in a chosen subject as guests.
I respect his right to boycott Spotify. Although lets face it, we've known for years that Spotify is corrupt (or at very least that it doesn't give artists what they deserve), and Neil's music is still on much more corrupt platforms, so it's difficult to take such boycotts seriously at this point. I also find it to be a strange reason to boycott Spotify, especially given the fact that Joe Rogan has also had numerous pro-vaccine scientists on his show (including "Celebrity Scientists" such as Professor Brian Cox and Neil deGrasse Tyson). So it's not as if Rogan only pushes one side of these discussions and debates. Which is one of the main reasons he's so successful. The diversity of guests, information and opinions on his show is undeniably refreshing, regardless of our personal opinions and feelings on certain "controversial" issues that may be discussed. I've been watching Joe's podcast on and off for over 10 years now. Is he a so-called "anti-vaxxer"? I honestly have no idea (and nor do I really care either way tbh), as his opinions seem to change quite radically depending on which guest he's talking to at the time. But for me that's not a problem because I see Joe for what he is (an entertainer), and I watch or listen to the show for the interesting guests he has on, and because he asks genuinely interesting questions and engages in such a wide variety of different topics and discussions...without trying to censor his guests. And I will always respect people who don't buy into the regressive trend of censorship. So I'm glad Joe has a platform on which to interview his wide variety of guests with different opinions, whether it be the likes of Professor Brian Cox. Rob Zombie, Russell Brand, Billy Corgan of 'The Smashing Pumpkins', Peter Joseph of 'The Zeitgeist Movement', or even the comical conspiracy buff, Alex Jones. Because I think it's very healthy to hear different opinions, regardless of how wacky some of them may be. And besides, the more controversial figures are censored, the stronger and more popular they're likely to become. Especially if they're pushing a proclaimed "anti-establishment" narrative (whether they be so-called "right-wing" or "left-wing" or anything in-between and beyond). To censor popular controversial figures is to inadvertently feed - and further popularise - whatever narrative they're pushing. I doubt the walk-out will have a long-term impact on Spotify. It's most likely just a temporary blip. I may be wrong but I suspect most of those artists will be back as soon as this sensationalist socially divisive story has blown over. I would support a boycott of Spotify if it were for the right reasons (ie: the way they rip-off artists, and their general Corporate-Capitalist corruption). But that's not what this is. I will never support this misguided and counter-productive longing for censorship.
Did you know that a corporate hedge fund owns the rights to the Neil Young material in question (because they gave him $150 million)? Did you know that this company is owned by Black Rock, which has a top executive who recently left a top position at Pfizer? How do we even know Young had anything to do with this? Has he been interviewed in person about it, or do we just have press statements? And either way, only the holder of the actual copyrights, which Young does not possess, could make these demands successfully. Something stinks about this whole thing. Here is Jimmy Dore to fill in some further detail: th-cam.com/video/dTn9cHGPmUw/w-d-xo.html
@@spiderkitty7643 I’ve been trying to figure out if hipgnosis bought both the publishing and the sound recordings. As far as I can tell, they only purchased the publishing. If I’m correct about this, hipgnosis have no say about the licensing of Neil’s recordings as they do not own these. His recordings are owned by Warner, so Neil had to ask Warner to remove his stuff from Spotify.
I think Neil Young used this as an excuse, if you Google him vs Spotify he's been hinting at it for years. Media have blown it up as per usual. There's a definite agenda to keep people in opposition to each other which I find sad.
i find it odd Neil and Joni didnt say anything about ripping off the artists from the jump. They're serving their own interests and trying to stay relevant.
Young may think he is more special, important and influencial than he actually is. He has always had a bit of infamy in that way. ...and Rogan isn't "antivax" or "antiscience."
Here’s some of my thoughts. Spotify has the market dominance on the streaming market. Also, it’s an app and service company, and like with any company, I don’t have to like it. I don’t have to like the UI’s color, the sound quality or anything. Just like when I need to make a decision between Taco Bell and Del Taco. Most of my decisions factors doest really take into account the actual tacos. I go to taco bell for their hot sauce, and that’s my decision. Tidal, Apple Music and even Amazon Music all offer an alternative to the basic services that Spotify offers. If Spotify has something I don’t like about it, I can question why I’m paying Spotify and go somewhere else. If anything, this whole situation is forcing people to ask great questions about tech companies and how they affect society and individuals.
I'm a fan of Neil Young. The first concert I paid to see was Neil Young backed by Booker T. & The MG's. His opening acts that night were Blind Melon and Pearl Jam. It was a pretty darned good show and well worth the $35 or so it cost me. So what? you ask. Fair point, I'm just establishing that I'm not a Neil Young hater, never have been and won't become one now even though I think Neil is being somewhat hypocritical. He says, "I am doing this because Spotify is spreading fake information about vaccines - potentially causing death to those who believe the disinformation being spread by them." He doesn't say what exactly Joe Rogan has said that he objects to. What specific thing is Joe saying that Neil objects to? Is he upset about Joe saying that CNN was lying about Ivermectin? Is he upset that Joe invited the doctor from CNN onto his podcast and that Joe got the doctor to admit that he and CNN had lied about Ivermectin? He's speaking in such vague terms that it's difficult to have a discussion about the issue. What exactly is the deadly disinformation he objects to? What is the lie he's accusing Joe and Spotify of spreading? So in response to this nebulous accusation, Neil had his music removed from Spotify and is encouraging other artists to do the same. That's fine, it's his music, he can do what he wants with it. Except that it's only 50% his. Neil cashed out a few weeks back to the tune of $150 million or thereabouts. Other sources say the deal was *only* worth $50 million but hey, what's a hundred million between chums? Either way, Neil just cashed a cheque for $50 to $150 million and now he's demanding other artists join him? I mean, dude, I'm sure everyone would be right there with you if they'd just sold their catalogue to an evil monster corporation. To my mind the move runs contrary to the guy who wrote the lyrics, "Ain't singin' for Pepsi/ Ain't singin' for Coke/ I don't sing for nobody/ Makes me look like a joke". I'm unsure what Neil thinks his songs will be used for, but people probably plan to put them to work so that they can recoup the millions they paid him. Who am I to judge though? Gotta feed the monkey somehow. So Neil sells half his catalogue to this Hipgnosis company which is registered in Gurnsey (Justin will likely understand the tax reasons behind this, not that I'm saying Justin avoids paying taxes, just that he's erudite). That company name makes me laugh. It's a bit on the nose. Hip gnosis. Get it? Hip knowledge or hip awareness, or some translation similar to that. It was foudned by this British-Canadian music industry dude Merck Mercuriadis (who looks suspiciously like Dr. Evil in some of his photos, I'm dead serious, check out that photo with the pursed lips. All he's missing is the pinkie) and Nile Rodgers. Yes, the same super cool he-who-can-do-no-wrong Nile Rodgers. These cats own partially own Baby by Bieber, Umbrella by Rihanna, Single Ladies (Put A Ring On It) by Beyonce as well as some 57,000 other songs including Neil's stuff. Seems like an odd set of songs to get into bed with but whatever, money talks, sticking it to *The MAN* can fuck right off. That's not so bad you say. Right, on the face of it, it's not, but there's more. In October last year, The Blackstone Group announced they were going to partner with the Dr. Evil looking dude with the intention of buying up song catalogues and music rights and to that end invest *one BILLION dollars*! Nn-ha-ha-hah, nnnha-ha-haHAhah, nnnNhAHAAHAHhahah! Not only were they partnering with Merck, they were going to take an ownership stake in Hipgnosis Song Management. Are these Blackstone dudes bad? Well, yeah, pretty bad. In 2019 a United Nations report found that Blackstone's massive purchasing of single-family homes following the 2008-2009 financial crisis had "devastating consequences". The report alleged that Blackstone had abused tenants with exorbitant fees, rent hikes, and aggressive eviction practices, and that Blackstone's real estate practices had a disproportionate impact on communities of colour, in part because the company targeted foreclosures resulting from subprime loans. So, Neil says he's looking out for the little guy, trying to protect him from death due to nebulous misinformation but he's totally cool about hopping into bed with a company that ensures people live in grinding poverty with no hope for a reasonable future. There's an awful lot of negative health effects tied to poverty and housing insecurity but yeah, that doesn't matter quite as much as making a lot of noise about being this counter-culture voice of the little man. Remember, Joe Rogan bad, Blackstone group totally fine (just in case we've strayed from the original point). Targeting foreclosures. It's a pretty gross way to make a buck. Is Blackstone so bad? Well they spent at least $6.2 million to defeat California's proposition 10. What's that? Well Prop. 10 would have allowed cities in California to enact rent control. They spend millions every year lobbying politicians as part of The Realestate Roundtable. If you're thinking this is anything like the roundtable Art had back there in England a few years ago, you'd be wrong. Unless you're down with Blackstone's vision of The Holy Grail--fucking the poor as mercilessly as the law will allow. There's a global housing crisis and I don't think that these mega corporations getting involved in owning tens of thousands of properties has zero connection to the fact that housing prices have skyrocketed in recent years. Remember, Neil is on your side and Joe Rogan is bad. But, O. T. you're not being fair, Neil is a good guy. Isn't he? Welllll, I mean, this is the guy who blamed gay people for AIDS. He did not! Yeah, he did. This is the guy who, back in the 1985, when asked about the AIDS crisis said to Melody Maker "You go to a supermarket and you see a f___ot behind the fuckin' cash register, you don't want him to handle your potatoes." In case you're lost on the Wheel of Fortune word there, buy a G for your consonant and an A for your vowel. Neil used to be very right wing but at some point in the 80s or perhaps 90s he flip-flopped and moved hard to the left, probably in some part to distance himself from the sorts of vile things he used to say. This gets us to a question people have long wrestled with. Can the art be separated from the artist? In Neil's case, you'd better hope so. I don't think you should be taking political advice, or health advice or any advice about major life decisions from any celebrity. Not Joe Rogan, not Nile Rodgers, not Neil Young. Don't do it. Just don't take any health advice from any of these people. Ask your primary care physician. Ask them about everything health related. Who cares which celebrity is saying to do what. Talk to your doctor. Anyhow, this is too long already. Apologies as it's a first draft. Cheers to anyone who read it all and remember, keep on rockin' in the free world, unless your opinion is different to Neil's, in which case, don't rock in the free world, don't rock at all, get back to work. You'll take what you're given and you'll be grateful for it.
RIGHT ON! …that dude has been living in the US since the 60’s, but has remained a Canadian citizen and went back home to 🇨🇦 during the pandemic to hide out. Same with Joni. They’ve used us. Now they are attacking Joe, a homegrown, self-made, upstanding American citizen. We, the people of the US, are all “southerners” to Neil Young and Joni Mitchell, and in the immortal words of Lynyrd Skynyrd: Well I hope Neil Young will remember A southern man don't need him around anyhow OBViOUSLY, neither of them have bothered to listen to Joe Rogan’s show, or they wouldn’t be in such a huff. Shame on them. Shame on anyone joining in on this bullying who hasn’t bothered to tune in & inform themselves…just because you are a Neil Young or Joni Mitchell fan doesn’t give you the right to stop thinking for yourself and just do as they say…what is wrong with everyone? They are loudmouthed, money grubbing celebrities. I have more faith in what Dr. Robert Malone (internationally recognized scientist/physician and the original inventor of mRNA vaccination as a technology, DNA vaccination, and multiple non-viral DNA and RNA/mRNA platform delivery technologies) has to say about the vaccine than those two yodelers. Joe had Dr. Malone on his show on 12/31/21 and the s*8t hit the fan…big time. The truth hurts. Here’s the link…Go see for yourself: open.spotify.com/episode/3SCsueX2bZdbEzRtKOCEyT?si=L4O1N2MGR7Wi2Ese04VMwQ Super BIG THANKS to you for writing this! Keep up the good work, STAY STRONG, and keep spreading the word!
I used Tidal for about a year and just switched back to Spotify. Tidal was fine overall, but there were too many issues that were easily fixable, that they wouldn't fix. The whole time I had it there was only 1 app update. Plus there's not alot of integration with devices and other apps. That's the biggest win for Spotify to me. The main reasons I left Spotify for Tidal was because they pay more to artists (I thought), and because of the way podcasts have taken over the platform and are being constantly shoved down your throat and there's no way to avoid it. I like my music separate from my podcasts. I just feel like they should have kept it as it's own app like it used to be. Or give premium users an option to hide it. I respect anyone taking a stand on something they truly believe in, but I don't know what they each were honestly expecting to happen. Spotify has invested alot of money into podcasts (especially exclusive ones) and have said that's their main focus as a company now. Music has definitely taken the backseat. Taylor Swift, Beyonce, and Adele each didn't have their music on Spotify for the longest time. Garth Brooks still doesn't have his on there. The service was still doing great. Also, I know his podcast is the biggest on the platform, but surely he isn't the only with a podcast on there spewing vaccine and covid misinformation.
fwiw: Spotify is getting out of music and into podcasts, exclusively...hence their attachment to Joe. Their CEO has said this. He is taking all the money from the musicians ( at .003 cents per live stream) and getting out of music. He has "great ambitions"..including investing heavily in military contracting. This is where the money will be going from Spotify. For alot of people Tidal, Bandcamp and others make so much better sense.
The problem I have is, who decides what the 'facts' are ultimately? When it comes to a health issue it becomes more complicated but asking questions and having people call out for censorship when they don't agree is such a bad way to head. As with all media, if you don't agree to the point it upsets you, stop consuming it. There'll be plenty of echochambers out there to feel all warm and cosy in to calm Neil's old soul, I dont think it comes from a bad place, but a bad place is where censorship leads.
my rule of thumb is always check whom pays for the "fact checkers". Do they get finical and political strength for paying for something. Sad times but from climate change and even in this "current situation" there are some very dark and shady people/companies. Even sadder in this current time every healthy company helping this situtation has the worst company track record in human history. So to censor someone, right or wrong, in this current time only makes matter worse. Free speech and free debates are critical. Hissy fits rarely are!!
to your point, Dr Malone, the man who's interview caused this contention with Rogan, helped develop mrna vaccine technology. Dr Malone was banned from Twitter and LinkedIn because he revealed the CEO of Reuters (who does the fact checking for Facebook, Instagram and Twitter) also sits on Pfizer's board of directors and is chairman of their Compensation and Audit committees... That's a pretty critical conflict of interest if you ask me... one the media and social media outlets do not want people to know
@@mugwart99 Read my comment for more detail. Reuters does the fact checking for Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. their c.e.o/c.o.o James Smith sits on Pfizer's board of directors... Dr Malone was banned for pointing that fact out, and this cancelation attempt on Joe Rogan stems from having Dr Malone on his show where he pointed that fact out. Any confirmation of Malone's claim can be found on Pfizer and Thompson-Reuters' own websites...
here are some facts: Neil Young's catalog is owned by Hipgnosis which is owned by Blackstone who appointed Jeffrey Kindler , former Chariman and CEO of Pfizer, as their senior advisor.
It's obvious that Neil Young didn't expect Spotify to remove Joe Rogan's podcast, I mean there's not ground for that. It was about removing his music from a platform which he disagrees about the content, which is fair. At the end of the day, all parties did what was expected, Spotify has the right to publish any content they like (their moral obligations are not enforced by law, whether you agree or not, that's the way it is), and artists can choose the platforms they want to appear on based on whatever criteria they deem important.
While I completely agree with your argument, it bothers me that the whole situation seems to completely skip over the fact that there was never any kind of honest appraisal over the actual content of the podcast. Which is what is so common in cancel culture, that as soon as people are told someone holds 'dangerous' views, people's knee jerk reaction is to jump on the bandwagon without even seeing what those views are for themselves. I just wished we lived in a more adult society where people could openly express their views and other people could actually engage with them if they disagree, and then let people make up their own minds on who has the most convincing arguments. Censoring people ia taken as a sign of weakness, i think. It only convinces people that you think your arguments won't hold up, so you're resorting to dirty tactics. I'm not saying that's true, but people interpret it that way, and probably actually contributes more to the prominence in belief of misinformation, if that's in fact what it is. But how do people really know it's misinformation, when the only counter argument is atempted censorship?
@@jaylinsa Honest appraisal? Are you serious? Do you know what facts are? Because neither does Rogan. He’s a conspiracy theorist and a loon. If he wants to have people on with different viewpoints, then bring people on the make cogent arguments based in reality. Not whatever makey uppy “science” and woo woo BS he wallows in. It’s properly f**king dangerous to present something that’s utter bull crap with a veneer of respectability.
@@Dreyno yes I'm serious. Honest appraisal, as in, explain what the guest got wrong and what they got right. I read a great article recently that did exactly that. It is possible... all it takes is to be a grown up. But, of course, I'm just a dumb sheep, like all the other Joe Rogan fans, right? So I don't think for myself...
@@jaylinsa When you grow up, you’ll realise that you cannot debate with a liar. And yes, if you think Joe Rogan is any more than a failed comedian who flirts with some very dangerous and stupid sh1t, then yes, you’re a sheep.
Fair play to Joe Rogan I say - he's entitled to his opinions and to hold open debate on the covid virus and the efficacy of the so called vaccines. I like some of Neil Young's and Joni Mitchell's music but I think they're wrong on the Joe Rogan being banned from Spotify thing but they are entitled to their opinions and integrity too. I think they would be better off campaigning for better returns to music people on Spotify rather than getting high and mighty about social/political values.
Young and Mitchell may have been part of the Laurel Canyon hippie artist culture, back in the day, but they both failed to ask themselves the most important question they should have learned from it... "What Would Zappa Do?"
@@mikethebloodthirsty that's not even alleged. It's straight up fact. There's a channel that's called, I think, ConspiracyJAC and he does a great presentation about it.
I appreciate the balanced analysis. However, if you haven't listened to the actual "controversial conversations" I'm afraid you're doing nothing more than adding to the noise. Not to mention if Neil Young actually stood for what he believed, he would have to have himself removed from several other platforms, including TH-cam/TH-cam music. Since not only Joe Rogan is on their, but so are the "dangerous" doctors, who by simply sharing their professional opinions on the matter, started this whole thing.
You’ve made the fatal flaw of using the wrong ‘their’ in a argument you made online thus opening yourself up to a devastating counter attack. Be careful out there!
@@leviathan76 that's true, but I thought his argument was about stranding for principals? Neil Young shouldn't support any platform that spreads (what he sees as) misinformation. Why just focus on Joe Rogan and Spotify, unless..? Perhaps there are other things at play
@@trashmanzero7827 Oh, there is. Old ass Neil Young is trying to stay relevant, politically, and solvent, financially. But he's not gonna kill is entire online presence.
Wow had no idea this channel existed.. huge fan! Can't wait to see you in edmonton next month.. wooo! I use Tidal, always have.. I love it because I can listen to full albums of the darkness, and its the actual albums unlike Spotify.. also they will let me listen to the album in song order and not auto shuffle it all unlike Spotify.. sure I pay 10/month.. but I dont mind.. I can download anything I want to listen while I'm offline and traveling through areas with no cell service and just save data.
I love Neil and I love Joe. Joe is not anti-vax by any means. I feel that most people that say that don't actually watch his podcast. He gets top people in the field with opposing views and just has dicussions. Some of these individuals are pro vaccine and some are not. I feel in todays times with censorship and canceling we need individuals like Joe to actually have conversations with people with all types of views. People need to be more open minded and willing to listen to all types of opinions whether you agree with them or not.
Ugh no. No, no, no. You're talking about being fair and balanced in a situation where you cannot be fair and balanced. You cannot teach "all sides" of the evolution "debate" in public schools because there is no debate. One side is just wrong. And more importantly, one side is NOT AN OPINION. One side is supported by science. The other side is not.
@@851852093114208513 he had an expert in the field of vaccinations come in and give his opinion, he isn’t some random bloke off the street. What is painted as fact one day is changed the next, if you had said the vaccine doesn’t stop you spreading or catching Covid you’d be dumped from every platform. Fast forward a few month and it’s now a common fact, likewise young athletes should stay away from vaccines and boosters as is now supported by data and science. I’m fully jabbed by the way, but I see both sides.
Jo Rogan was never an antivaxer, he simply interviews different people and sometimes they have different views. This whole thing started because he made the mistake of interviewing a controversial doctor who was saying some B.S. about the pandemic & Joe publicly apologised afterwards. But I suspect most of the people angry about Joe's podcast never actually listened to it since he addressed the issue multiple times but people were still jumping on the cancel bandwagon🤷♀️ Anyway- it's 2023 now & although attempting to find alternatives at the time, I'm still a fan of Spotify because the app is actually the best. I've been okay with not listening to Neil Young since I never did to begin with😅 I wish Spotify would pay artists more, but other than that gripe it's the most popular app for a reason actually😅😅
i remember a time when both Neil Young and Joni Mitchell used to stand up and protest about the removal of freedom of speech..........so much for standing by your beliefs.
There is a difference between free speech and actively spreading incorrect information that can lead to the illness and/or death of young people by claiming they will be fine if they are fit and healthy, which just isn't true.
@@nikkipope5363 it pretty much is true though. I don’t know if that’s what was said on Joe’s interview specifically but if you’re young with no health problems, you might get sick from Covid but the chances of dying from it are practically zero.
I'm listening to my friends who are doctors, among them a GP and an anaesthetist (who has to put those in ICU on the ventilators), who are seeing it with their own eyes. I trust their medical knowledge. Yes, the young are less likely to die but they are still able to take up a vital hospital bed that could be used for someone else. You don't have to trust your governments, they are not experts in science. However, I respect your opinion and I am not trying to cause an argument.
I respect Neil & Joni for their actions but in the end it's: censorship. Is it any different than removing books from our libraries that are perceived as harmful? I believe that these actions are traveling in the wrong direction in uniting our society as a whole. There's enough polarization as it is.
Watch the podcasts to have an informed and balanced point of view. He gets all kinds of people from both sides of a subject and has a conversation about it. They do check data and if he gets something wrong he admits it. A lot of people jumping on the bandwagon without listening to his podcasts. #watchitfirst
A brilliant analysis as always, Justin ~ I really admire your eloquence, and the way you’ll often pause to find the right word. You always present yourself as a very intelligent and thoughtful person, especially when it comes to contentious issues. More people (including, most disappointingly, politicians) need to learn to express themselves like you. Before I watched your video, I’d just seen an article entitled something along the lines of “what’s gonna happen to my music library when Spotify is no more”, which isn’t *just* an issue in relation to the Neil Young news, because I doubt any streaming platform will last forever. As for my music collection, it’ll still be nonchalantly sitting on my shelves, completely oblivious to what’s going on in the turbulent world of the internet. I only buy physical CD’s, which can be cheap if you get them second hand online ~ aside from anything, it’s nice to have my music as a physical object that fully belongs to me, and the album artwork is often a pleasant and inspiring bonus. Considering I’m in my mid 30’s, collecting physical CD’s probably makes me quite an anomaly, but I 100% recommend it. That is, until the CD gets scratched, lost, p*ssed on by the cat, or someone borrows it, and either returns it in horrifying condition or not at all. I think my copy of “Permission to Land” is still in my dad’s midlife crisis sports car, which my mum still can’t bear to part with after he tragically and unexpectedly died last year. We shared a love of loud rock guitar music, and I didn’t object to him permanently borrowing it, because I could see how happy it made him driving around broadcasting it to the neighbourhood at maximum volume, roof down on his convertible and aviator shades on, just being the true legendary dad rocker he always was. So yeah, for me it’s physical CD’s all the way! Anything by Apple is especially to be avoided because they overdo the equaliser within tracks, flattening the sound. Then again, I guess a lot of their clientele listen to the countless bands who sound like Coldplay, which practically has all traces of life flattened out of it anyway.
I too have a huge cd collection. But as a songwriter, musician, performer, producer and MOST IMPORTANTLY: as an ARTIST...it is essential my recordings be taped on analog & played on analog equipment. I'm not a snob. But as canvas & paint, pen & paper, clay, etc...analog, is essential to the artist, digital does not do the art itself justice representing it virtually through numbers, squares & code. It simply can't DUPLICATE the art itself. It is but a cold, misrepresented VIRTUAL copy...perhaps CLOSE ENOUGH to the layman observer, but still just a faked illusion of the reality in it's true form. Nobody can OWN a Picasso...or an ORIGINAL Neil Young. But the analog recordings can be the real deal that Neil created. Digital transferrance LITERALLY destroys chunks of the art, removing, cutting & edging the round pegs to make them square to fit in the square hole. Like Minecraft, if you will. If ears & eyes & sensibilities have been adapted to ACCEPT it as the REAL THING then what OTHER forms of such censorship, trimming of facts, edging of details, conversion of TRUTH has the human mind, sense & awareness been altered & devolved to? Isn't the digitalizing & computerizing of our conciousness done exactly that? We wouldn't eat square apples. Or make square love to our partners. Or see a squared off version of the beach or Grand Canyon & say "I'm satisfied with that because I don't have the time, will, desire or money to visit such places." We'd simply just be disappointed & work towards such goals. It's not anything but an illusion of false convenience & a lie we tell ourselves, that even "cds" are cool, or cooler than the current medium. The truth is, even vinyl isn't REALLY Neil Young. But it's what Neil approves of as the chef, artist & creator of his art. The closest. Not a butchered, squared off facsimile of the closest. Man...leave it to lazy, delusional humans to accept 6 degrees removed McDonald's and call it "backyard bbq". We really are lowering our expectations & standards in a futile effort to pretend to be happy. I waited 30 years to finally hear someone talk about cds like they are filet mignon, or better than something else, which they're not. I told my friends & audiences so 30 years ago. Now I get to show them this comment & win my bets. Thanks, buddy. (No need to reply, I already cashed in. But if you want to make me MORE money, please do. We made bets on what your rebuttal would be. Double or nothing!) Computers HAVE applications, like a calculator, and to about that extent. They grew into giant toys & possess a lot of human existence & conciousness now. I don't use the word "possess" lightly, either. I DO mean it THAT way. Check your own conciousness & awareness. Where do YOU get it since 1990? I am ashamed to admit it too. So I keep myself in check & vigilant. But I too am an addict & possessed to some degree. We all are who are HERE right now. Scary, but true. Cold turkey is the only way out for good. Gotta get away...or we'll be back. Like drugs. There's no "just a little taste" or "in moderation" with lies & illusions. It's either/or with this thing. You can fool yourself but you can't fool me. I'm honest with myself about it. And don't try to make it sound "ok". You'll just double my bets & make me richer. And yes, it goes that deep. Look around. See them all on their toys?
Neil Young himself started out in music doing this very same thing: Getting together with friends & having conversations, music, etc...and it led to something bigger...totally innocent. Neil Young isn't an expert on anything but his own music, maybe model trains, a few other health related issues involving his family, and perhaps some other things not everybody knows about. Same with Joe. Same with me. Same with others. Joe is not using his power or knowledge as leverage. He is doing the most innocent thing: talking with many different people with differing views, transparently allowing everyone who wants to hear it to listen in on it in real time & voice THEIR opinion about it. It doesn't GET more innocent than that. Your own government people, the president, etc...does NOT let you listen in on THEIR conversations. No president or government lets YOU do THAT...and form your own opinion on the things discussed. Obviously, Neil & Joni are using this platform as political leverage. And anyone who does too is doing that as well. They've done this their whole careers. They aren't just innocent artists in a state of being. They are activists using their "art" to convey a message & incite, inspire & encourage public & political action. Nothing wrong with THAT. Just own it & accept it when others do it and when you may not LIKE what THEY have to say. Spotify says "No skin off our noses" to Neil & Joni. They aren't starting a Spotify revolution, but the weed might tell them so. It's ok with me what they do, cuz I don't use Spotify. But even if I did, and I couldn't listen to Neil anymore, I'd deal with it...like I did with Jimi Hendrix who has no interweb source. I have cds, cassettes & vinyl...and always have. It's the illusion some have that the interweb platform is all that there is. That's THEIR illusion. Thanks Joe for what you do. Thanks Neil for your songs & music. Joe should thank Neil for the free press (which he does, trust me). And Neil created some for himself & Spotify too. Good business move, Neil. Win-win, for all involved!
Apple Music is what I use, and it has a great catalogue of music just like Spotify. And I believe that Apple pay the artists better royalties than Spotify do
I really love your videos because you watch something and then analyse it. It doesn't sound like you've watched or listened to the podcast you're discussing but still giving an opinion. It's like me giving an opinion on your music without actually listening to it but just basing my opinion on stats. It's still fairly balanced considering.
Listen to compact discs aka CDs - we used to do it… when I pay money for something, I want to own it. One can pay thousands of dollars to Spotify and never own anything. SUPPORT ARTISTS IN ANY WAY YOU CAN! I bought your CD (Motorheart and tshirt) and it was one of the best decisions I made in 2021. Keep up the great posts and give the other band members my regards, Justin! Looking forward to seeing you in Toronto again this spring!
So let me get the gist: Neil Young doesn’t agree with Joe telling people how he handled his bout with Covid? Joe isn’t forcing or even telling people what decisions they should make, he’s clear. He’s speaking about his personal experience. And he was prescribed the Ivermectin by DOCTORS.
@@enjek5654Care to point out this "known medical misinformation"? - Joe has hosted the pioneer of the MRNA vaccine technology, and the foremost expert on Covd19, is there a point of fact you'd like to discuss with them?
@@sgk9369 Rogan had a doctor on who was a known proponent of spreading pretty heinous misinformation (to the extent twitter had banned him) - threre has also been a number (>1000) of doctors, who have pointed out a number of really damaging points he has made, and called for him to stop peddling bullshit. Its all good and well to say oh he did x,y, z but he puts out 3 podcasts a week, and interviews people with irrefutable false claims without challenging them. (while presenting them as "Experts" on a subject) - any argument even a bad one will start to make sense if you are exposed to it regularly. He has on a number of occassions called people who wear masks pussys, he has hyped ivermectin, a drug that has no benefit to the treating of covid. and has also been pretty vocal about the origins of the virus (which if you are still believing a lab leak in 2022, youre a fairly lost cause. ) Its pretty damn damaging, and honestly I think its quickly ruining his reputation.
@@TheSinkingGuitar Big tech banning one does not determine whether what one stated was based in fact, silly goose. Is there a point of fact you'd like to discuss that said doctor got wrong?
I would do the outro as " Justin Hawkins rode again". I would also insert my name but that's not applicable here. I look forward to this show, it's cheering me up a little bit.
imagine missing out on the incredibly obvious sarcasm in that song's chorus that only a moron could not pick up on. truly an astonishing accomplishment.
Just listened to "heart of gold", "Rockin etc" and (love the irony) "the needle and the damage done".. on Spotify. Am I the only one that actually checks? Oh, and now playing BYT by Joni.
Thank you for such a balanced video. It is really hard in life to avoid companies that have iffy ethics. The difficulty is increased when some companies pretty much have a monopoly, for example I was only able to get certain albums from amazon as they were only available in the USA. Trying to stick to your personal ethical code can be difficult. I don't subscribe to Spotify because they don't pay artists enough. I'm happy to check a band out using Spotify then buy the physical CD (which I did before seeing you in Exeter in November, learned the songs from Spotify then asked for Motorheart for Christmas). That way, I hope, more money goes to the artists.
How about Bandcamp?? Im not much user of any of those platforms like Spotify, Deezer...becouse there are bands that i love that are not to find there or sometimes they dont have all the albums or songs missing ...plus im not paying and if u dont pay you cant listen what u want without they putting you songs from other bands ....with Bandcamp you get all the Lps the band put there and is for free , thing is i havent use it much to see if there are bands that i like and May not be there, specially couse i've use it for bands that are still on the road so im not sure, have to check out. Im pretty glad with YT couse here there are lot of bands that i dont find in those other platforms and even rare songs
Spotify just needs to tell Neil "eat a peach" exactly as Neil did to Stephen Stills when he bailed out on him halfway through a tour in 1976. “Dear Stephen, Funny how some things that start spontaneously end that way. Eat a peach, Neil.”
@@ROOKTABULA Are you okay? I mean that genuinely stranger. Personally attacking and insulting people in comments sections on TH-cam is quite low brow, especially unprovoked. Perhaps working on yourself or speaking to a Friend or Therapist could help? There is no need for any more hate and spite in this world. That kind of behaviour will eat at your very being, a pox and poison that does yourself, nor anyone else any good.
Nobody seems to remember now but for the longest time Neil Young wasn't on Spotify. He only allowed his music to be on that weird device he invented/invested in: Pono. So, for the longest time, we didn't have him there. So, if he's not, I do not care. I still have my Neil Young CDs, AND I still have Joe Rogan on Spotify. So I will enjoy them both. Just two more notes: Joe's "antivaccine attitude" happened in May 2021 and he already apologized, calling himself an idiot who can't be trusted as a source of information. So that's old news, really (although Neil Young's move has to do with a more recent episode with a doctor). And second, Neil Young wrote "Rocking in the free world". Now he wants to censor people himself. A weird paradox: censoring is bad... unless it's for my own reasons, which are the really good ones. Just a thought. Peace out.
It's not about censorship. It's a statement of intent, that he was unwilling to share a platform and indirectly support someone who promotes dangerous misinformation and panders to conspiracy theorists.
@@tentringer4065 That just doesn't hold. Not your comment, but Neil Young's move. I'm vaccinated myself, I do think it's the best we can do and I don't believe for one second conspiracy theorists. Hence the cause-effect of 'listening to Joe Rogan equals believing vaccines are devil' is just not true. I can form my own opinion about things and don't have to follow whatever Joe Rogan says. Neil Young is just insulting the intellect of all of us who listen to him. However, it's healthy to doubt things and pose questions, which is all Joe Rogan does, on this and many other matters. What I mean is, even if Joe Rogan was against vaccines, I still can listen to him, see what he and his guests have to say and then make up my own mind about it, which in this case is disagreeing. Lastly, if Joe Rogan was so stupid and close-minded, he wouldn't have such cool, brilliant, progressive guests as Jamie Foxx or Miley Cyrus. Seems like critics haven't really listen to the podcast for a sustained period of time. As for you and me, I don't like at all this polarization we "need" to take part of. I'm not interested in being "right" or having to agree with you. I'm interested in knowing why you think the way you think, to understand you better, to understand everything better. Like what you said about the statement of intent. I hadn't looked at it that way. Makes me think although I probably don't see it like that. And that's cool.
If every artist left a platform that large based entirely on disagreement with the views of another artist on the same platform, there wouldn't be any artists left on said platform.
I was watching this thinking, this is better to watch, not as many long pauses and slower talking as the other shows. Then I realised I had the speed on 1.5 some reason. I love your videos Justin but I really enjoyed it slightly faster as I have problems with concentration haha. Keep up the great vids mate.
What bothers me most about the issues Neil Young and others have with Spotify and Joe's comments, which are opinions and free speech, is that the "artists" didn't seem to have any problem being on the media platform for years given the fact that Spotify has plenty of music content promoting cop killing and drug peddling.
That's like saying Scorcese films promote crime. There is a clear delineation between fact and fiction. There is a difference between free expression and opinion and blatant disinformation being promoted during a health crisis.
Come on, Justin. You're about the same age as me and you even alluded to it. Want to hear Neil Young? Buy the record and put it on! Better for the artist, better for the listener, win-win. I'm not even talking about vinyl, necessarily, because it's ridiculously expensive. Get the CD and whack it up, job done.
Tidal is the best choice imo because it pays out about 3 times the amount Spotify does to artists (still not much, but at least 3 times not much) and you get full CD-quality stream (1411 kb/s) for the same price. The library is about the same size than Spotify's. Their streaming apps had several issues at the time but everything's working great now.
Does it matter? If you care about frees speech it does. For someone who was so "anti-establishment" 50 years ago, Young sure sounds very "establishment" this past week. Funny how these "artists" all seem to reading from the same script.
I've watched Joe for years. He's not anti vax nor does he promote it. I think a lot who think that have formed their opinion of him from headlines that are incorrect sound bites. Joe liked open discussion, for and against, and will pitch in with his opinions. It has been blown out of proportion massively, in favour of the narrative that isn't allowing the ebb and flow of discourse.
Yeah but 12 months ago any musician who said anything about Covid was told to “stick to music”. Now we are all listening to musicians because some of them are going with the mainstream. It’s absolutely incredible.
Yep. Rock is dead. It hurts to see how much some people sell out to the establishment for fear of being cancelled or labeled 'right wing'. Cowards the lot of 'em.
I still buy CDs. I take very good care of my cd collection. I still like supporting bands by purchasing units. I stream music on Spotify when I’m in my car but other than that, I don’t give a shit about one side or the other. I got vaccinated but I don’t care if the guy next to me at a show is or isn’t.
Spotify did make the right business call. But I don't necessarily agree with it. But I am thinking of this more as a musician than a businessman. It's really a shame Neil Young and Joni Mitchell took their stuff down because I enjoy their material and I would often click on their music. But yeah, Spotify made the right business call.
Spotify should absolutely not yield to this, it would set a terrible precedent. This could degenerate into a purity spiral; artists with the highest play counts dictating which artists they are willing to share a platform with on the basis of ideology. It’s easy to imagine mentions of firearms, lyrics deemed to be sexist, violent or satanic being in the next wave of censorship.
I don’t think that presents much of a danger for smaller users though. The podcast brings in over ten million listeners per episode; it’s fair to assume that the objections to it aren’t merely content-based, but also reach-based.
It matters because one side is trying to silence the other side. Throughout history the people pushing censorship have never been the good guys. But these people tell themselves that they're different, because they are virtuous. They're not.
Justin, love what you're doing here. JHRA brings me quite a bit of joy weekly. What's the deal with the DJ controller? I've always associated you as a guitar purist. Streaming DJ set soon? With Love, Justen.
I DJ in actual venues! And sometimes I do live stream DJ-ing on my Patreon here: www.patreon.com/jushawk but usually my Sunday 9pm livestream is what happens on there, it's a lot of fun, I've been doing it for 18 months now!
When ‘ethics’ comes into it, surely Tidel is leading the wave. Artist owned. However, all pay literally pennies for someone’s hard craft. Makes me think that Music isn’t meant to make money, rather made to sell other ‘technologies’; CD players, Walkman’s, phones, streaming services and now cars. The artist will always lose. The tech will always win.
Spotify alternative. What I do is buy music and then put the mp3s onto my NAS (Network Attached Storage) . Then I can stream it to my phone or stereo. It's like having your own streaming service. But one where the artistes don't get so fucked. You can make playlists and all that and also give other people logins too.
I watched Joe Rogan for the first time a couple days ago and he fact-checks the claims of his guests live on air. I don't see how that can possibly be constituted as "entertainment" or "false information". He's much more objective and committed to facts than any late-night host on mainstream news networks. MSM has lost its credibility in the recent years, so people naturally gravitate to alternate sources that actually have integrity.
I use Apple Music. It integrates well with the Apple ecosystem. I can use the lossless files for reference tracks when mixing and mastering. I use the iDAM connection from my iPad to my MacBook, where I can print reference tracks right into Logic.
To me artists getting their fair share is the most obvious thing a streaming service can do right. How can we the consumers use this type of pressure to enable that sort of change?
Streaming services are paying music artists way less than they should. How much. should an artist be payed monthly tell me? How come the person who wrote "Hey Jude" gets payed less than the people who wrote "Somebody I used to Know"? There is nothing "fair" about the streaming services.
I'm saddened and a bit frightened by how many people are advocating for what I consider censorship and violation of free speech (not legally, but effectively).
I’m saddened and a bit frightened by how many people are defending bullshit propagation as well intentioned rational debate and a bulwark of human rights.
@@TimeWolf26 Think what you want about Rogan, but this will come back to bite you when corporations decide that something you believe in is misinformation that must be silenced.
@@Marklar3 lmao, corporations are already silencing what I care about. Censorship is bad; bad faith exploitation of ignorance and fear under the guise of “rational debate” against the run of scientific evidence for material gain is also bad.
@@TimeWolf26 Who decides what is bad faith exploitation of ignorance and fear? If this kind of logic is accepted, there's nothing stopping powerful people from labeling anything they want to censor as misinformation.
@@Marklar3 powerful people’s ability to censor comes from their power, not from their justification. And while I do appreciate that most people will have to take someone’s word in blind faith when it comes to complex technical issues, and I sympathise with the skepticism that arises from having every possible conflicting viewpoint angrily shouted at you 24/7, facts are still facts, and good science does exist. There is a truth out there.
Neil Young just sold his publishing rights for $150 million..wonder how he will feel if his songs are used to advertise on Spotify..can’t have it both ways Mr Young
I like it when you look like a Caravaggio painting, or a Hockney (green cravat) .. today you look like an Anthony van Dyck Charles 1 before the armour goes on. Thank you for your painterly posts 🧑🏼🎨
I'm a music industry ignoramus...know zilch about it.... I do miss the days of vinyl, cassettes and CDs though....where you went to an actual shop and parted with your saved up Saturday job money for something you could physically hold and look at as well as play... Am vaguely aware that musicians seem to feel ripped off by Spotify and their ilk. I'd gladly cancel my Spotify subscription and subscribe instead to a streaming service that treated musicians decently, even if it was more expensive to subscribe... Maybe it's time that musicians worked together to get such a service up and running (if there isn't one already)..is there such a thing as a musicians' union?!
From a very scientific sample of one, I can tell you what Neil Young fans are like. There was this guy I knew in the army who used to listen to Neil Young all the time. He disagreed over some matter of principle with the Company Sergeant Major. Instead of putting him up against the wall of the base and forcing the rest of us to shoot him, he decided to "make him come to his senses", and sent him outside to go and live near the rubbish tip. The idea would've been that if he survived the first night the experience would scare him enough to make him come home all lonely and meek and contrite. But he was a Neil Young fan. He found a home somewhere in the bush, and would pitch up to collect rations from the drivers who did rubbish removals every day. Eventually they must've decided it would be more trouble than it was worth if he was killed or taken prisoner out there, so they made him come back into the base, eventually. (They had to make him come back, because he was a Neil Young fan.) So I'm not surprised Spotify has taken a hit from the Neil Young fans out there. Some of the directors of Spotify probably have Neil Young Fan daughters who have already moved out of home to go and live on the beaches of Cartagena (the one downhill from Bogota). And they're probably kommuniste. A Neil Young fan is a kommunis. Someone told me that once.
So... Neil Young fans are tough and resourceful "kommunistes". Maybe the US needed more of them to win whatever war you're talking about. The US military has only lost wars and created humiliating adventures since 1952. Surrendering to rag-tag communists right & left, and paying off terrorists to please not fight them. The US is a global laughing stock now. Let's blame Neil Young fans.
@@carlodave9 It goes deeper than just war. It goes right down the the competitive impulse, and how so much of what we do is narrowed down to the drive to "win" something. That is: to make something/someone else "Lose". To do enough harm. (In war, kill, maim, destroy. In milder situations, milder versions of those.) Maybe in some situations this whole "war of life" is just how "Nature" works, but not in all situations. But we have an unfortunate tendency to make little "wars" out of everything - out of arguments, for instance. Definitely out of politics. Most of the time the "war" approach in such matters is counter-productive (for everyone - so in "war terms" you have a case where "everyone loses"). The Americans have done all sorts of war and stuff in the previous century, but the finer qualities of what it all might *mean* one day are probably not going to be determined by trial by combat. ("Fighting" over it isn't going to award the "winner" with a better kind of truth than the kind of truth that was the casualty of the "little war"). Our CSM would've just reduced it to something simple like the "kommuniste" are trying to put Satan on the throne of the One World Government. He was a simple man. That's how simple men think. Most of us are at least to some extent more simple than would be needed for us to be able to properly judge what is the truth, the whole truth and ... something else ... who cares. He had his virtues. For instance he was no coward. He tried to lead a bunch of my comrades into a veritable hail of copper jacketed lead one day, actually. They decided to turn down his invitation, and all just lay there on the ground watching the trees get stripped of all their leaves and some branches, so he ended up all alone out front of them. Back in the day I might have even thought him a fool, but time has proven that it's probably my sort that were the fools. So I've given up on being my sort as a result.
I Love Neil, Love Joe. It’s shame but they’re their own men and they can make their own decisions and should be able to speak their minds freely. As for Spotify not paying musicians enough, they have the power, that’s not going to change, as a musician you need to be smart and look at other ways of making money with in the industry.
James Blunt has stated that in protest to Joe Rogan, he will continue to release new music on Spotify until Rogan is removed. That man is hilarious.
I dont find it funny.
@@metrowireless3381 Google James Blunt's Twitter responses. He is notorious for posting outrageous replies to when people criticize him on Twitter (and people love to hate him). He is very good at laughing at himself, but he can dish out some savagely funny lines as well.
@@metrowireless3381 I don't find you funny either 🤷🏻♂️
Blunt’s music is pretty dire I wouldn’t worry about him. He’s lucky people actually listen to him.
This comment made me laugh loudest today
Thanks for that
What other shit music is on Spotify
I mean technically you can access music a thousand ways without Spotify
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I like Joe Rogan. He has a wide range of guests with interesting and controversial things to say. What I don’t do is base my medical decisions on the opinions of a mixed martial artist, TV celebrity and podcaster because I’m not an idiot. For the record, Rogan isn’t anti-vax.
Well said.
Yeah think that needs to be said, he isn't anti-vax himself. He's had loads of people with pretty outlandish opinions on before.
This is disingenuous at best. Rogan has a habit of giving people with antivax messaging a huge platform, much larger than they ever would have had, to get their talk out. The best you can say is Joe just lets them be, or he’s high and having a laugh at their expense. He’s enabling the message.
It's not a matter of the "opinions of a mixed martial artist, TV celebrity and podcaster", but those of the people he gives a platform to, a hugely diverse range but including some who, despite being heavy hitters in medical science, are spreading "misinformation", apparently. This "cancel" campaign is squarely aimed at stopping you, me and everyone else getting to hear them. If it's not censorship, what is?
@@Mudder1310 have you listened to the podcast with Robert Malone? If you haven’t, you can’t comment on Rogan’s position. I’m half way through it, because I wanted to hear exactly what was said. I was surprised to find Malone is vaccinated himself, as am I x2 and boosted. I also caught covid after I was vaccinated. It’s interesting to think that a while ago, saying that the vaccine wouldn’t protect you from covid would have put you at risk of being deplatformed. What I mostly support is free speech. Malone was a respected virologist. If he has something to say, I want to hear it... then I can make my own mind up.
Incidentally, the misinformation in question is because he interviewed the inventor of MRNA vaccine technology, who is critical of these specific vaccines. He is also vaccinated himself. Agree with him or not, he's more than qualified to give his opinion, being that he is an expert in the field. Not that anyone is unqualified to give their opinion. That's what free speech and open discourse is all about.
It was a senior member of a large team who invented MRNA vaccines who wasn't involved in the more recent developments of the technology so although he is better educated than you or I he isn't the ultimate authority on the subject
mRNA technology was also discovered 20 yrs prior to Robert Malones "discovery" and also first used in vaccine experiments 15yrs prior to Malones discovery. I'm not denying he knows his shit when it comes to immunology or vaccines but I feel he is exaggerated his claim a fair bit.
@@stevec6427
He is a lot more qualified than Neil Young that's for sure.
And yet we worship criminals like Bill Gates as “experts” in virology…
@@stevec6427 Neither are you or Neil Young for that matter. Point is people can say what they want and listen to what they want without the approval of anyone. And aging "rockers" trying to censor someone is absolute irony.
Probably the most level headed, controversy free handling of this subject I’ve seen! Well done mate
@@submarineUK He didn't say "good for Rogan" - he doesn't even know anything about Joe Rogan!
@@neuralmute one should educate themselves on both sides of the story before commenting at all. Maybe watch the episodes in question, familiarise yourself with the podcast, the data, and the subject at hand in general, critically think about it then make a statement.
Level headed? He knows nothing about the subject.
@@nosson77 What do you mean, he knows a whole lot about streaming services and how they work!
@@neuralmute the real subject is about whether Joe Rogan is giving misinformation. To suddenly care about Spotify when you don't know about that subject is just muddying the waters.
I love the fact that you are able to express your opinion without discounting other perspectives and that you don't seem to feel the need to try to edit out the possibility of other view points. Respect. Too bad we don't see more of that these days. Keep rocking Brother!
Yeah he expressed his opinions but at the same time the Darkness is butt hurt
😖🍑🌶 😭 crying boycott!!!
Spotify 🤘🏻😅
But justin did say what side he was on, and did rubbish spotify (as much as his contract would allow, presumably) and come down on NY's side, which is wrong, because NY was wrong, and basically used a false vaccine narrative to push some left-wing spite. Labelling JR's output as false news, or anti vax or 'dangerous' is clearly wrong, and is both out of context and exaggeration. What a pathetic way to try and manipulate people. Let's just say that some of the people who worked with NY do not speak very highly of him, including Steven Stills, who I like very much.
JRE podcast isn't an anti-vax podcast.
I've been vaccinated. I don't really care for the political discussion on TH-cam. But I've watched JRE for years and I find it utterly absurd to hear people describing the podcast as anti-vax.
Imagine I respond to this absurdity by demanding everyone be cancelled 🤦♂️
Yeah I didn't get the impression its an anti vax podcast either. Joe Rogan questions everything in fairness to him.
People who describe it that way have never watched the podcast, Rogan wasn’t telling anyone not to get vaccinated, rather questioning why certain viral drugs were not being implemented as early treatment, and also championing people to get off their couches and do some exercise, God forbid we should have people telling the general public to stop being so obese, I doubt Neil young has ever actually sat down and watched a Rogan podcast in his life, he’s just carefully picking out the words that outrage him without understanding context
Everyone must only listen to what I like, and if they disagree I shall tantrum. Be warned.
I feel like the people who are boycotting Joe Rogan have never listened to a Joe Rogan podcast, they've only been provided clips through the bias of their 3rd party sources.
I used to watch Rogan before the tidal wave of anti-vax nonsense and the crap tonne of psuedo-scientists he invites on now. I used to appreciate getting a different perspective, but since he's moved to Texas it feels like he's gone off the deep end. I can only watch so much bloody Brett Weinstein and Jordan Peterson word salads.
It’s not anti-vaxx nonsense though. A lot of claims from these other drs and scientists are later being backed up with evidence. I keep seeing this repeatedly. TH-cam we’re literally banning videos quoting the cdc calling their videos misinformation because actual factual data was going against the narrative! Dr fauci and the uk government have shared misinformation. The mainstream media have done so repeatedly but as long as they stick to the current BS narrative it’s considered okay. This is political and not remotely about covid. Not everyone will be correct or honest every time in either side, but open conversation and consideration is essential. It’s now proven that covid spreads the same whether vaccinated or unvaccinated. They admitted they were over reporting deaths. The alternative media was reporting this 2 years ago and had evidence and the mainstream called that misinformation for 2 years. It’s a game of admit everything 2 years later, so I guess in 2 years the penny will drop regarding the lies they’re telling now.
@@staylor8935 you dont really gasp the concept of how science works, do you?
science isnt about taking a stance, it is about learning how things work and how can we improve etc etc..
it's only dumbasses who stick to one side and say scientists are wrong.. guess what, scientists will never deny they were wrong once new evidence is found..
you can never win over a scientist.. either they (scientists around the world) have looked at what is currently available and concluded something to be true.. and IF you were to come up with a new theory that breaks the old one, well they will just be happy about it and keep on working.
all famous scientists and inventors have been wrong plenty of times.. guess what, pluto was a planet when i went to school.. that was the correct term at the time.
I loved Rogan but literally can’t listen to him anymore even on his MMA podcasts guy needs to stop smoking weed. His brain is mush.
He doesn’t know what an N95 mask is.
I listen to Rogan quite regularly, is he 'anti-vax'? I'm not so sure he is.
He's pro freedom, not anti-anything, besides bullshit.
Joe Rogan has a big mouth. He is the type of guy who thinks out loud and thinks this makes him smart. I am not sure he is anti-vax.
@@scottmatznick3140 as a Rogan fan, if you don't think Joe Rogan isnt heaps full of bullshit, you need to take a break from watching joe rogan
He's not anti-vax. He's simply in favour of informed consent, which implies a person by person evaluation of their own risk/benefit analysis. He has quite explicitly said that people who are at higher risk of getting seriously ill or dying from covid should probably take the vaccine, and younger, healthier people probably don't need to, but it's not one size fits all.
He’s not anti vax. Most commenting negatively on this towards Rogan actually haven’t listened to his views on it.
Spotify is now a podcast and music platform, if censorship of debate and discussion is tolerable, then it’s also tolerable to censor music. Seeing as Mr Young wrote many protest songs and famously sang about rocking the free world, I find this very hypocritical.
Indeed, Neil forgot the "free world" part of that song.
@@vincevirtua the song is ironic. Read the lyrics.
Neil Young needs to worry about his own self it seems like he follows the communist government closely and he is very selfish because he thinks everybody's got to get the needle to go to his concerts he's not worried about other people's beliefs and he doesn't care if people think the vaccine will kill them. Neil Young is an idiot and disrespectful for who people are
If Neil pulls out of Spotify and goes to XM, wjhch he has....it isnt censorship. It's the free market. You think that's censorship??
@@georgebarry8640 well, i think its that Neil is calling for Rogan to BE censored. He obviously has the right to take his music off of Spotify but it was only at the cost of Joe Rogan not getting deplatformed / censored. All at the same time, neil's totally fine working with apple, youtube, facebook etc ? as if those companies are SOOOO much more ethical than Joe Rogan's podcast haha it's absolutely ridiculous.
The best reaction to this situation so far is James Blunt's threat to release new music if Joe Rogan isn't removed.
Whether you like James Blunt's music or not, you have to love his sense of humour.
Niel young is from a beautiful generation who spoke for freedom but sadly alot of these musicians who held the standard of anti establishment are really just Larping. Rage against the machine have jumped because the government has told them how high.
Great stuff. I always thought Justin seemed like an interesting dude, but the Darkness doesn't really fall into the sweet spot of my music tastes. Sure enough, after watching these pods, my inklings are confirmed... total legend and more importantly, someone capable of expressing thoughtful nuanced opinions. Love it 🤘
Excellent.... This is a hard one... Thanks for the perspective...
Hey Tim, you rock! Neil is getting a lot of hate at the moment - can you comment on his guitar playing? I for one think he is one of the true greats...for example the imagery in Cortez the Killer as his solo takes you dancing across the water... like boats on the journey...is fantastic and visionary.
As a true master of the instrument yourself I'd love to hear you opine on Neil's guitar work :)
@@pez--- "his solo takes you dancing across the water... like boats on the journey..."
You're easily impressed.
@@wattage2007 compositionally it's a novel approach though...and illustrative.
FYI I'm actually pretty hard to impress...I've been playing myself for 30 years so have listened to a lot of guitar.
@@badgasaurus4211 arf arf ...it's the first line: "He came dancing across the water with his galleons and guns...searching for the new world and a palace in the sun"...
@@pez--- Neil is a wonderfully expressive guitar player, probably not ever going to be listed with the "greats" but he's also a lot more interesting to hear than some of the ones that would make the list, IMO. But I'm not cool with this move he's making. Since when did the old hippies become part of the establishment? Lol.
In January 2021., Neil Young sold 50% of his songs to Hipgnosis Songs Fund. Hipgnosis Songs Fund is now owned by The Blackstone Group which "has invested in companies with links to the commercialization and deforestation of the Amazon rainforest", and according to a UN report, after the 2008 financial crisis "abused [their] tenants [in single family homes] with exorbitant fees, rent hikes, and aggressive eviction practices, and that Blackstone's real estate practices had a disproportionate impact on communities of color, in part because the company targeted foreclosures resulting from subprime loans."
Neil seemingly has no issue with this. He allegedly made something in the neighborhood of 50 mil.
Joe Rogan having an open conversation though.... *that* must not be tolerated.
Well said. Young is just a typical showbiz hypocrite and a bit of a corporate authoritarion by the looks of it.
@@wattage2007 I agree. And I'm a huge fan of his music.
Well spoken. But I believe the neighborhood was more like $150 million. He's now worth $400 million.
It's not an open conversation, it's the calculated selection of guests with outlying opinions on a public health issue and allowing them to promote dangerous misinformation on a show that is given huge promotion by Spotify.
@@tentringer4065 That’s how it would appear to someone brainwashed into a single narrative.
Imagine if Neil Young and other huge stars had made this stance over the pittance that artist are paid. Food for thought
The amount that artists get paid doesn't kill people, unlike the crap that Joe Rogan spouts about vaccines.
@@rocketqueen232 You mean how your president said if you get the vaccine you won't get covid and it will stop the spread? Rogan didn't make any claims about vaccines like that. You are the problem. You are duped so keep rockin in the FREE world 😆
@@rocketqueen232 please quote me the "crap" Joe rogan has said about the vaccines.. I'm very interested in hearing what he's said thats untrue?
@@blackbeansmatter1280 Not American, but keep making assumptions.
@@tiberiusclaudiusnerogermanicis I thought you people were big on doing your own research?
For once I'm proud to be a part of a TH-cam comment section. Good on you all, boys and girls and ladies and gentlemen etc, for seeing the bullshit.
Neil Young has effectively said he has absolutely no problem with the thousands of songs that are aggressively misogynistic and homophobic, but he really can't stand Joe Rogan talking to doctors. This isn't a stance that really stands up to any level of scrutiny. Either you believe in free speech or you don't, and Neil has told us he does not.
What a load of crap. Ignorant comment. If he doesn't like Rogan and his views or guests, does he not have the "Freedom" & "Rights" to remove his music? He also has "Free Speech" to state his opinion, doesn't he? I won't comment on your use of the "misogynistic and homophobic" statement other than, what exactly are YOU doing to help stop the airing of these type of songs? Smoke another bowl, chew some CBD gummies and try to get out of the basement more.
You can still play Neil Young's music on Spotify, seeing as he flogged off most of his catalogue last year. Thanks to Neil, Joe Rogan is now also worth 3 times more than he was last week. The only people who stand to lose from this are smaller indie artists who are earning an income from Spotify.
I find James Blunt's threat to release new music far more problematic 😂
But also, Joe Rogan isn't anti vax. He has come to his own conclusion and decided that he would prefer to opt out, but does not try to push this onto his listeners. CNN would suggest the opposite however.
I used to listen to Joe Rogan a few years ago, I understand that his pod cast is more popular than a lot of mainstream media outlets now which is what’s driving there desire to sabotage him somewhat. At the same time tho Rogan is given massive amounts of air time to these alternative medicine quacks who should absolutely not be listened to regarding public health. I think the problem is that podcasts don’t have the same regulations that mainstream media has so this kind of dangerous programming really goes unchecked. Rogan always had this kooky outside perspective on conspiracy theories and it’s entertaining to listen to. I just think this very real global pandemic is a bit more serious and so he should be more careful with what he says.
Censorship sucks.
Moreover, Rogan was infected by Covid a few months ago, so won’t need the jab anyway - now has natural immunity stronger than any jab
@@thomasharris7881 So the doctor who helped create mRNA treatment is an alternative medicine quack? Would love to see a citation for that. Sounds like you're spreading misinformation.
@@MightyJonE Your logical carousel is so interesting to see.
I can vouch for Tidal. It was at least started by artists (I guess someone else owns it now? Not sure), it allows 48k 24bit (better than CD quality) streaming, and they are moving toward a user-centric payment system for artists (basically if a listener only listens to 3 or 4 bands, the user's subscription money goes to those bands only.
Apple Music sounds better and is cheaper.
To me artists getting their fair share is the most obvious thing a streaming service can do right
Does tidal have nearly as much music as Spotify and Apple though?
It is not better than cd quality, you have been sold a lie and should maybe do some research on that claim - MQA is lossy, go watch a video by GoldenSounds exposing their bull Sh1t claims, with all the technical evidence to support his claim. Or watch Paul @ PS Audio refute the claims of MQA, amongst a host of others…
@@SatanDynastyKiller interesting stuff, thank you
As an independent musician albeit a poor one, I chose many years ago to ditch Spotify and move to band camp. There has been zero negatives
I do both. There is no income from spotify, but it is kinda like a radio, I find, I am long past needing money from music and treat it as a semi-pro's hobby. Good luck.
Band camp could make you some cash,but Spotify could make you more accessible and maybe popular,i use em all for my music
@@mrbungle3310 Exactly how I use it.
@@mrbungle3310 it didn’t for me. The trade off between time spent trawling and posting far outweighed any following I may have generate
@@everyinchtheanimal i mean,it didn't work wonders for my first release,coz i had bad marketing, didn't even try,but made some hype for my second one,and pretty pleased, financially maybe not,got more money from itunes and apple store
But most people go there to listen or TH-cam
I am a fan of Joni Mitchell and Neil Young's music but I was so surprised and disappointed they decided to pick this fight. I think it's so condescending for them to think the average person is incapable of thinking for themselves. I'm sure Joe Rogan would jump at the chance to have the two of them come on the podcast and debate the issue. I always thought JM and NY were proper old school liberals who would stand up for freedom! I was wrong.
I'm not sure NY and JM see this as anything to do with anybody other than themselves and their wish not to share a platform with somebody they believe is spreading falsehoods, and that surely is their right, regardless of what "the average person" thinks?...FWIW I personally think EVERY artist should boycott Spotify for a multitude of reasons...But then I listen to all my music on a Dansette in the parlour.
Exactly! Censoring people based on their beliefs is just the thing that the counterculture was fighting against and now JM and NY are doing it. My views are very left wing but I would never agree to blocking those on the right to have a voice/platform to express their views.
Joe Rogan never gave misleading statements about vaccines. He had a Dr who was for vaccines, he ended up knowing more than her, which is scary. Then he had a Dr who was against them, he always discusses both sides of the subject. He has some top specialists in a chosen subject as guests.
I respect his right to boycott Spotify. Although lets face it, we've known for years that Spotify is corrupt (or at very least that it doesn't give artists what they deserve), and Neil's music is still on much more corrupt platforms, so it's difficult to take such boycotts seriously at this point. I also find it to be a strange reason to boycott Spotify, especially given the fact that Joe Rogan has also had numerous pro-vaccine scientists on his show (including "Celebrity Scientists" such as Professor Brian Cox and Neil deGrasse Tyson). So it's not as if Rogan only pushes one side of these discussions and debates. Which is one of the main reasons he's so successful. The diversity of guests, information and opinions on his show is undeniably refreshing, regardless of our personal opinions and feelings on certain "controversial" issues that may be discussed.
I've been watching Joe's podcast on and off for over 10 years now. Is he a so-called "anti-vaxxer"? I honestly have no idea (and nor do I really care either way tbh), as his opinions seem to change quite radically depending on which guest he's talking to at the time. But for me that's not a problem because I see Joe for what he is (an entertainer), and I watch or listen to the show for the interesting guests he has on, and because he asks genuinely interesting questions and engages in such a wide variety of different topics and discussions...without trying to censor his guests. And I will always respect people who don't buy into the regressive trend of censorship.
So I'm glad Joe has a platform on which to interview his wide variety of guests with different opinions, whether it be the likes of Professor Brian Cox. Rob Zombie, Russell Brand, Billy Corgan of 'The Smashing Pumpkins', Peter Joseph of 'The Zeitgeist Movement', or even the comical conspiracy buff, Alex Jones. Because I think it's very healthy to hear different opinions, regardless of how wacky some of them may be.
And besides, the more controversial figures are censored, the stronger and more popular they're likely to become. Especially if they're pushing a proclaimed "anti-establishment" narrative (whether they be so-called "right-wing" or "left-wing" or anything in-between and beyond). To censor popular controversial figures is to inadvertently feed - and further popularise - whatever narrative they're pushing.
I doubt the walk-out will have a long-term impact on Spotify. It's most likely just a temporary blip. I may be wrong but I suspect most of those artists will be back as soon as this sensationalist socially divisive story has blown over.
I would support a boycott of Spotify if it were for the right reasons (ie: the way they rip-off artists, and their general Corporate-Capitalist corruption). But that's not what this is. I will never support this misguided and counter-productive longing for censorship.
Did you know that a corporate hedge fund owns the rights to the Neil Young material in question (because they gave him $150 million)? Did you know that this company is owned by Black Rock, which has a top executive who recently left a top position at Pfizer? How do we even know Young had anything to do with this? Has he been interviewed in person about it, or do we just have press statements? And either way, only the holder of the actual copyrights, which Young does not possess, could make these demands successfully. Something stinks about this whole thing. Here is Jimmy Dore to fill in some further detail:
th-cam.com/video/dTn9cHGPmUw/w-d-xo.html
@@spiderkitty7643 I’ve been trying to figure out if hipgnosis bought both the publishing and the sound recordings. As far as I can tell, they only purchased the publishing. If I’m correct about this, hipgnosis have no say about the licensing of Neil’s recordings as they do not own these. His recordings are owned by Warner, so Neil had to ask Warner to remove his stuff from Spotify.
I've waded in!! What do you think about the situation though? Honestly?
I think Neil Young used this as an excuse, if you Google him vs Spotify he's been hinting at it for years. Media have blown it up as per usual. There's a definite agenda to keep people in opposition to each other which I find sad.
i find it odd Neil and Joni didnt say anything about ripping off the artists from the jump. They're serving their own interests and trying to stay relevant.
Joe is 100% NOT anti-vaxx. He is anti-mandate. Freedom of choice and freedom of speech. He has said it many times, make your own informed decision.
He's cranky.
Young may think he is more special, important and influencial than he actually is. He has always had a bit of infamy in that way.
...and Rogan isn't "antivax" or "antiscience."
Here’s some of my thoughts. Spotify has the market dominance on the streaming market. Also, it’s an app and service company, and like with any company, I don’t have to like it. I don’t have to like the UI’s color, the sound quality or anything. Just like when I need to make a decision between Taco Bell and Del Taco. Most of my decisions factors doest really take into account the actual tacos. I go to taco bell for their hot sauce, and that’s my decision.
Tidal, Apple Music and even Amazon Music all offer an alternative to the basic services that Spotify offers. If Spotify has something I don’t like about it, I can question why I’m paying Spotify and go somewhere else. If anything, this whole situation is forcing people to ask great questions about tech companies and how they affect society and individuals.
I'm a fan of Neil Young. The first concert I paid to see was Neil Young backed by Booker T. & The MG's. His opening acts that night were Blind Melon and Pearl Jam. It was a pretty darned good show and well worth the $35 or so it cost me. So what? you ask. Fair point, I'm just establishing that I'm not a Neil Young hater, never have been and won't become one now even though I think Neil is being somewhat hypocritical.
He says, "I am doing this because Spotify is spreading fake information about vaccines - potentially causing death to those who believe the disinformation being spread by them." He doesn't say what exactly Joe Rogan has said that he objects to. What specific thing is Joe saying that Neil objects to? Is he upset about Joe saying that CNN was lying about Ivermectin? Is he upset that Joe invited the doctor from CNN onto his podcast and that Joe got the doctor to admit that he and CNN had lied about Ivermectin? He's speaking in such vague terms that it's difficult to have a discussion about the issue. What exactly is the deadly disinformation he objects to? What is the lie he's accusing Joe and Spotify of spreading?
So in response to this nebulous accusation, Neil had his music removed from Spotify and is encouraging other artists to do the same. That's fine, it's his music, he can do what he wants with it. Except that it's only 50% his. Neil cashed out a few weeks back to the tune of $150 million or thereabouts. Other sources say the deal was *only* worth $50 million but hey, what's a hundred million between chums? Either way, Neil just cashed a cheque for $50 to $150 million and now he's demanding other artists join him? I mean, dude, I'm sure everyone would be right there with you if they'd just sold their catalogue to an evil monster corporation. To my mind the move runs contrary to the guy who wrote the lyrics, "Ain't singin' for Pepsi/ Ain't singin' for Coke/ I don't sing for nobody/ Makes me look like a joke". I'm unsure what Neil thinks his songs will be used for, but people probably plan to put them to work so that they can recoup the millions they paid him. Who am I to judge though? Gotta feed the monkey somehow.
So Neil sells half his catalogue to this Hipgnosis company which is registered in Gurnsey (Justin will likely understand the tax reasons behind this, not that I'm saying Justin avoids paying taxes, just that he's erudite). That company name makes me laugh. It's a bit on the nose. Hip gnosis. Get it? Hip knowledge or hip awareness, or some translation similar to that. It was foudned by this British-Canadian music industry dude Merck Mercuriadis (who looks suspiciously like Dr. Evil in some of his photos, I'm dead serious, check out that photo with the pursed lips. All he's missing is the pinkie) and Nile Rodgers. Yes, the same super cool he-who-can-do-no-wrong Nile Rodgers. These cats own partially own Baby by Bieber, Umbrella by Rihanna, Single Ladies (Put A Ring On It) by Beyonce as well as some 57,000 other songs including Neil's stuff. Seems like an odd set of songs to get into bed with but whatever, money talks, sticking it to *The MAN* can fuck right off. That's not so bad you say. Right, on the face of it, it's not, but there's more.
In October last year, The Blackstone Group announced they were going to partner with the Dr. Evil looking dude with the intention of buying up song catalogues and music rights and to that end invest *one BILLION dollars*! Nn-ha-ha-hah, nnnha-ha-haHAhah, nnnNhAHAAHAHhahah! Not only were they partnering with Merck, they were going to take an ownership stake in Hipgnosis Song Management. Are these Blackstone dudes bad? Well, yeah, pretty bad. In 2019 a United Nations report found that Blackstone's massive purchasing of single-family homes following the 2008-2009 financial crisis had "devastating consequences". The report alleged that Blackstone had abused tenants with exorbitant fees, rent hikes, and aggressive eviction practices, and that Blackstone's real estate practices had a disproportionate impact on communities of colour, in part because the company targeted foreclosures resulting from subprime loans. So, Neil says he's looking out for the little guy, trying to protect him from death due to nebulous misinformation but he's totally cool about hopping into bed with a company that ensures people live in grinding poverty with no hope for a reasonable future. There's an awful lot of negative health effects tied to poverty and housing insecurity but yeah, that doesn't matter quite as much as making a lot of noise about being this counter-culture voice of the little man. Remember, Joe Rogan bad, Blackstone group totally fine (just in case we've strayed from the original point). Targeting foreclosures. It's a pretty gross way to make a buck. Is Blackstone so bad? Well they spent at least $6.2 million to defeat California's proposition 10. What's that? Well Prop. 10 would have allowed cities in California to enact rent control. They spend millions every year lobbying politicians as part of The Realestate Roundtable. If you're thinking this is anything like the roundtable Art had back there in England a few years ago, you'd be wrong. Unless you're down with Blackstone's vision of The Holy Grail--fucking the poor as mercilessly as the law will allow. There's a global housing crisis and I don't think that these mega corporations getting involved in owning tens of thousands of properties has zero connection to the fact that housing prices have skyrocketed in recent years. Remember, Neil is on your side and Joe Rogan is bad.
But, O. T. you're not being fair, Neil is a good guy. Isn't he? Welllll, I mean, this is the guy who blamed gay people for AIDS. He did not! Yeah, he did. This is the guy who, back in the 1985, when asked about the AIDS crisis said to Melody Maker "You go to a supermarket and you see a f___ot behind the fuckin' cash register, you don't want him to handle your potatoes." In case you're lost on the Wheel of Fortune word there, buy a G for your consonant and an A for your vowel. Neil used to be very right wing but at some point in the 80s or perhaps 90s he flip-flopped and moved hard to the left, probably in some part to distance himself from the sorts of vile things he used to say.
This gets us to a question people have long wrestled with. Can the art be separated from the artist? In Neil's case, you'd better hope so. I don't think you should be taking political advice, or health advice or any advice about major life decisions from any celebrity. Not Joe Rogan, not Nile Rodgers, not Neil Young. Don't do it. Just don't take any health advice from any of these people. Ask your primary care physician. Ask them about everything health related. Who cares which celebrity is saying to do what. Talk to your doctor. Anyhow, this is too long already. Apologies as it's a first draft. Cheers to anyone who read it all and remember, keep on rockin' in the free world, unless your opinion is different to Neil's, in which case, don't rock in the free world, don't rock at all, get back to work. You'll take what you're given and you'll be grateful for it.
Great comment! :)
Well said, it's been alleged that Neil has shares in Pfizer
RIGHT ON! …that dude has been living in the US since the 60’s, but has remained a Canadian citizen and went back home to 🇨🇦 during the pandemic to hide out. Same with Joni. They’ve used us. Now they are attacking Joe, a homegrown, self-made, upstanding American citizen. We, the people of the US, are all “southerners” to Neil Young and Joni Mitchell, and in the immortal words of Lynyrd Skynyrd:
Well I hope Neil Young will remember
A southern man don't need him around anyhow
OBViOUSLY, neither of them have bothered to listen to Joe Rogan’s show, or they wouldn’t be in such a huff. Shame on them. Shame on anyone joining in on this bullying who hasn’t bothered to tune in & inform themselves…just because you are a Neil Young or Joni Mitchell fan doesn’t give you the right to stop thinking for yourself and just do as they say…what is wrong with everyone? They are loudmouthed, money grubbing celebrities. I have more faith in what Dr. Robert Malone (internationally recognized scientist/physician and the original inventor of mRNA vaccination as a technology, DNA vaccination, and multiple non-viral DNA and RNA/mRNA platform delivery technologies) has to say about the vaccine than those two yodelers. Joe had Dr. Malone on his show on 12/31/21 and the s*8t hit the fan…big time. The truth hurts. Here’s the link…Go see for yourself: open.spotify.com/episode/3SCsueX2bZdbEzRtKOCEyT?si=L4O1N2MGR7Wi2Ese04VMwQ
Super BIG THANKS to you for writing this! Keep up the good work, STAY STRONG, and keep spreading the word!
I used Tidal for about a year and just switched back to Spotify. Tidal was fine overall, but there were too many issues that were easily fixable, that they wouldn't fix. The whole time I had it there was only 1 app update. Plus there's not alot of integration with devices and other apps. That's the biggest win for Spotify to me. The main reasons I left Spotify for Tidal was because they pay more to artists (I thought), and because of the way podcasts have taken over the platform and are being constantly shoved down your throat and there's no way to avoid it. I like my music separate from my podcasts. I just feel like they should have kept it as it's own app like it used to be. Or give premium users an option to hide it. I respect anyone taking a stand on something they truly believe in, but I don't know what they each were honestly expecting to happen. Spotify has invested alot of money into podcasts (especially exclusive ones) and have said that's their main focus as a company now. Music has definitely taken the backseat. Taylor Swift, Beyonce, and Adele each didn't have their music on Spotify for the longest time. Garth Brooks still doesn't have his on there. The service was still doing great. Also, I know his podcast is the biggest on the platform, but surely he isn't the only with a podcast on there spewing vaccine and covid misinformation.
So it's ok to lie as long as you're making them $$$$$$!
The Shadow of Truth It’s ok to do anything you like as long as it brings n the cash.
fwiw: Spotify is getting out of music and into podcasts, exclusively...hence their attachment to Joe. Their CEO has said this. He is taking all the money from the musicians ( at .003 cents per live stream) and getting out of music. He has "great ambitions"..including investing heavily in military contracting. This is where the money will be going from Spotify. For alot of people Tidal, Bandcamp and others make so much better sense.
The problem I have is, who decides what the 'facts' are ultimately? When it comes to a health issue it becomes more complicated but asking questions and having people call out for censorship when they don't agree is such a bad way to head. As with all media, if you don't agree to the point it upsets you, stop consuming it. There'll be plenty of echochambers out there to feel all warm and cosy in to calm Neil's old soul, I dont think it comes from a bad place, but a bad place is where censorship leads.
Nazis are 'for' Free Speech... until...they get control themselves
my rule of thumb is always check whom pays for the "fact checkers". Do they get finical and political strength for paying for something. Sad times but from climate change and even in this "current situation" there are some very dark and shady people/companies. Even sadder in this current time every healthy company helping this situtation has the worst company track record in human history. So to censor someone, right or wrong, in this current time only makes matter worse.
Free speech and free debates are critical. Hissy fits rarely are!!
to your point, Dr Malone, the man who's interview caused this contention with Rogan, helped develop mrna vaccine technology.
Dr Malone was banned from Twitter and LinkedIn because he revealed the CEO of Reuters (who does the fact checking for Facebook, Instagram and Twitter) also sits on Pfizer's board of directors and is chairman of their Compensation and Audit committees...
That's a pretty critical conflict of interest if you ask me... one the media and social media outlets do not want people to know
@@mugwart99 Read my comment for more detail. Reuters does the fact checking for Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. their c.e.o/c.o.o James Smith sits on Pfizer's board of directors... Dr Malone was banned for pointing that fact out, and this cancelation attempt on Joe Rogan stems from having Dr Malone on his show where he pointed that fact out. Any confirmation of Malone's claim can be found on Pfizer and Thompson-Reuters' own websites...
here are some facts: Neil Young's catalog is owned by Hipgnosis which is owned by Blackstone who appointed Jeffrey Kindler , former Chariman and CEO of Pfizer, as their senior advisor.
It's obvious that Neil Young didn't expect Spotify to remove Joe Rogan's podcast, I mean there's not ground for that. It was about removing his music from a platform which he disagrees about the content, which is fair. At the end of the day, all parties did what was expected, Spotify has the right to publish any content they like (their moral obligations are not enforced by law, whether you agree or not, that's the way it is), and artists can choose the platforms they want to appear on based on whatever criteria they deem important.
While I completely agree with your argument, it bothers me that the whole situation seems to completely skip over the fact that there was never any kind of honest appraisal over the actual content of the podcast. Which is what is so common in cancel culture, that as soon as people are told someone holds 'dangerous' views, people's knee jerk reaction is to jump on the bandwagon without even seeing what those views are for themselves. I just wished we lived in a more adult society where people could openly express their views and other people could actually engage with them if they disagree, and then let people make up their own minds on who has the most convincing arguments. Censoring people ia taken as a sign of weakness, i think. It only convinces people that you think your arguments won't hold up, so you're resorting to dirty tactics. I'm not saying that's true, but people interpret it that way, and probably actually contributes more to the prominence in belief of misinformation, if that's in fact what it is. But how do people really know it's misinformation, when the only counter argument is atempted censorship?
@@jaylinsa Honest appraisal? Are you serious? Do you know what facts are? Because neither does Rogan. He’s a conspiracy theorist and a loon. If he wants to have people on with different viewpoints, then bring people on the make cogent arguments based in reality. Not whatever makey uppy “science” and woo woo BS he wallows in. It’s properly f**king dangerous to present something that’s utter bull crap with a veneer of respectability.
Spotify already caved
@@Dreyno yes I'm serious. Honest appraisal, as in, explain what the guest got wrong and what they got right. I read a great article recently that did exactly that. It is possible... all it takes is to be a grown up. But, of course, I'm just a dumb sheep, like all the other Joe Rogan fans, right? So I don't think for myself...
@@jaylinsa When you grow up, you’ll realise that you cannot debate with a liar.
And yes, if you think Joe Rogan is any more than a failed comedian who flirts with some very dangerous and stupid sh1t, then yes, you’re a sheep.
Fair play to Joe Rogan I say - he's entitled to his opinions and to hold open debate on the covid virus and the efficacy of the so called vaccines. I like some of Neil Young's and Joni Mitchell's music but I think they're wrong on the Joe Rogan being banned from Spotify thing but they are entitled to their opinions and integrity too. I think they would be better off campaigning for better returns to music people on Spotify rather than getting high and mighty about social/political values.
Young and Mitchell may have been part of the Laurel Canyon hippie artist culture, back in the day, but they both failed to ask themselves the most important question they should have learned from it...
"What Would Zappa Do?"
Allegedly there was covert CIA operation in the area, it aimed to influence people through certain bands. Nice to see Young is continuing their work.
Actually Neil used the mantra "WWDD?" in his early career - "What Would Dylan Do?"
He learned from the best.
@@mikethebloodthirsty that's not even alleged. It's straight up fact. There's a channel that's called, I think, ConspiracyJAC and he does a great presentation about it.
@@mikethebloodthirsty definitely true. People should look up Zappa and Jim Morrison's fathers, too.
@@mikethebloodthirsty Mike Moron allegedly.
It's not an anti vax pod. He expressed some opinions, but then has also said he might well be wrong. He wasn't claiming to have the answers.
Doubt is denial adjacent and a popular propaganda weapon precisely because it removes accountability. See also: tobacco, CFCs, climate change.
Questions are heresy.
th-cam.com/video/yKQ_sQKBASM/w-d-xo.html
@@TimeWolf26 "Denial adjacent" You people are hilarious 🤣
@@rhysknight8681 sorry I’ll use shorter words and throw in a few emojis next time xoxo
@@TimeWolf26 Don't bother, I've already asked TH-cam to delete you via a public tantrum
I appreciate the balanced analysis. However, if you haven't listened to the actual "controversial conversations" I'm afraid you're doing nothing more than adding to the noise. Not to mention if Neil Young actually stood for what he believed, he would have to have himself removed from several other platforms, including TH-cam/TH-cam music. Since not only Joe Rogan is on their, but so are the "dangerous" doctors, who by simply sharing their professional opinions on the matter, started this whole thing.
TH-cam isn’t paying Rogan $100 million dollars to host his podcast on their platform.
You’ve made the fatal flaw of using the wrong ‘their’ in a argument you made online thus opening yourself up to a devastating counter attack. Be careful out there!
@@leviathan76 that's true, but I thought his argument was about stranding for principals? Neil Young shouldn't support any platform that spreads (what he sees as) misinformation. Why just focus on Joe Rogan and Spotify, unless..? Perhaps there are other things at play
@@trashmanzero7827 Oh, there is. Old ass Neil Young is trying to stay relevant, politically, and solvent, financially. But he's not gonna kill is entire online presence.
@@trashmanzero7827 Over 200 doctors disagreed with Joe Rogan, not just Neil. So there's that. Neil's reasoning is pretty sound..as it refers to Rogan.
Wow had no idea this channel existed.. huge fan! Can't wait to see you in edmonton next month.. wooo!
I use Tidal, always have.. I love it because I can listen to full albums of the darkness, and its the actual albums unlike Spotify.. also they will let me listen to the album in song order and not auto shuffle it all unlike Spotify.. sure I pay 10/month.. but I dont mind.. I can download anything I want to listen while I'm offline and traveling through areas with no cell service and just save data.
I love Neil and I love Joe. Joe is not anti-vax by any means. I feel that most people that say that don't actually watch his podcast. He gets top people in the field with opposing views and just has dicussions. Some of these individuals are pro vaccine and some are not. I feel in todays times with censorship and canceling we need individuals like Joe to actually have conversations with people with all types of views. People need to be more open minded and willing to listen to all types of opinions whether you agree with them or not.
Ugh no. No, no, no. You're talking about being fair and balanced in a situation where you cannot be fair and balanced. You cannot teach "all sides" of the evolution "debate" in public schools because there is no debate. One side is just wrong. And more importantly, one side is NOT AN OPINION. One side is supported by science. The other side is not.
@@851852093114208513 what are your top 5 scientists?
@@truthseeker9692 - Oh well you know, I like the classics. Newton, Einstein, Pasteur, Curie, and Mordin Solus from Mass Effect 2
Is it cancel culture when people use the free market to unplug from something they don't like? Isn't it the free market at its best?
@@851852093114208513 he had an expert in the field of vaccinations come in and give his opinion, he isn’t some random bloke off the street.
What is painted as fact one day is changed the next, if you had said the vaccine doesn’t stop you spreading or catching Covid you’d be dumped from every platform. Fast forward a few month and it’s now a common fact, likewise young athletes should stay away from vaccines and boosters as is now supported by data and science. I’m fully jabbed by the way, but I see both sides.
Jo Rogan was never an antivaxer, he simply interviews different people and sometimes they have different views. This whole thing started because he made the mistake of interviewing a controversial doctor who was saying some B.S. about the pandemic & Joe publicly apologised afterwards. But I suspect most of the people angry about Joe's podcast never actually listened to it since he addressed the issue multiple times but people were still jumping on the cancel bandwagon🤷♀️
Anyway- it's 2023 now & although attempting to find alternatives at the time, I'm still a fan of Spotify because the app is actually the best.
I've been okay with not listening to Neil Young since I never did to begin with😅
I wish Spotify would pay artists more, but other than that gripe it's the most popular app for a reason actually😅😅
i remember a time when both Neil Young and Joni Mitchell used to stand up and protest about the removal of freedom of speech..........so much for standing by your beliefs.
Just angry, aging boomers glued to MSNBC all day imagining they could articulate specifically what harmful disinformation is being shared
There is a difference between free speech and actively spreading incorrect information that can lead to the illness and/or death of young people by claiming they will be fine if they are fit and healthy, which just isn't true.
@@nikkipope5363 it pretty much is true though. I don’t know if that’s what was said on Joe’s interview specifically but if you’re young with no health problems, you might get sick from Covid but the chances of dying from it are practically zero.
@@nikkipope5363 Actually, No there isn't. Our government lies to us everyday. No one is calling them to the carpet.
I'm listening to my friends who are doctors, among them a GP and an anaesthetist (who has to put those in ICU on the ventilators), who are seeing it with their own eyes. I trust their medical knowledge. Yes, the young are less likely to die but they are still able to take up a vital hospital bed that could be used for someone else. You don't have to trust your governments, they are not experts in science. However, I respect your opinion and I am not trying to cause an argument.
I respect Neil & Joni for their actions but in the end it's: censorship. Is it any different than removing books from our libraries that are perceived as harmful? I believe that these actions are traveling in the wrong direction in uniting our society as a whole. There's enough polarization as it is.
@@JacowateHamaeran Neil’s worth 200 million pretty sure it’s not affecting him…lmao
100% either way it’s division and we all know from history that, that, never ends well
Watch the podcasts to have an informed and balanced point of view. He gets all kinds of people from both sides of a subject and has a conversation about it. They do check data and if he gets something wrong he admits it. A lot of people jumping on the bandwagon without listening to his podcasts. #watchitfirst
The emotional intelligence is high with this one! Such a great, balanced discussion on a pretty complicated matter. 💜
Oh cool, it's "Justin Hawkins Rides Again Again"! Long awaited sequel to "Justin Hawkins Rides again"!
A brilliant analysis as always, Justin ~ I really admire your eloquence, and the way you’ll often pause to find the right word. You always present yourself as a very intelligent and thoughtful person, especially when it comes to contentious issues. More people (including, most disappointingly, politicians) need to learn to express themselves like you.
Before I watched your video, I’d just seen an article entitled something along the lines of “what’s gonna happen to my music library when Spotify is no more”, which isn’t *just* an issue in relation to the Neil Young news, because I doubt any streaming platform will last forever.
As for my music collection, it’ll still be nonchalantly sitting on my shelves, completely oblivious to what’s going on in the turbulent world of the internet. I only buy physical CD’s, which can be cheap if you get them second hand online ~ aside from anything, it’s nice to have my music as a physical object that fully belongs to me, and the album artwork is often a pleasant and inspiring bonus. Considering I’m in my mid 30’s, collecting physical CD’s probably makes me quite an anomaly, but I 100% recommend it. That is, until the CD gets scratched, lost, p*ssed on by the cat, or someone borrows it, and either returns it in horrifying condition or not at all. I think my copy of “Permission to Land” is still in my dad’s midlife crisis sports car, which my mum still can’t bear to part with after he tragically and unexpectedly died last year. We shared a love of loud rock guitar music, and I didn’t object to him permanently borrowing it, because I could see how happy it made him driving around broadcasting it to the neighbourhood at maximum volume, roof down on his convertible and aviator shades on, just being the true legendary dad rocker he always was.
So yeah, for me it’s physical CD’s all the way! Anything by Apple is especially to be avoided because they overdo the equaliser within tracks, flattening the sound. Then again, I guess a lot of their clientele listen to the countless bands who sound like Coldplay, which practically has all traces of life flattened out of it anyway.
I too have a huge cd collection. But as a songwriter, musician, performer, producer and MOST IMPORTANTLY: as an ARTIST...it is essential my recordings be taped on analog & played on analog equipment. I'm not a snob. But as canvas & paint, pen & paper, clay, etc...analog, is essential to the artist, digital does not do the art itself justice representing it virtually through numbers, squares & code. It simply can't DUPLICATE the art itself. It is but a cold, misrepresented VIRTUAL copy...perhaps CLOSE ENOUGH to the layman observer, but still just a faked illusion of the reality in it's true form. Nobody can OWN a Picasso...or an ORIGINAL Neil Young. But the analog recordings can be the real deal that Neil created. Digital transferrance LITERALLY destroys chunks of the art, removing, cutting & edging the round pegs to make them square to fit in the square hole. Like Minecraft, if you will. If ears & eyes & sensibilities have been adapted to ACCEPT it as the REAL THING then what OTHER forms of such censorship, trimming of facts, edging of details, conversion of TRUTH has the human mind, sense & awareness been altered & devolved to? Isn't the digitalizing & computerizing of our conciousness done exactly that? We wouldn't eat square apples. Or make square love to our partners. Or see a squared off version of the beach or Grand Canyon & say "I'm satisfied with that because I don't have the time, will, desire or money to visit such places." We'd simply just be disappointed & work towards such goals. It's not anything but an illusion of false convenience & a lie we tell ourselves, that even "cds" are cool, or cooler than the current medium. The truth is, even vinyl isn't REALLY Neil Young. But it's what Neil approves of as the chef, artist & creator of his art. The closest. Not a butchered, squared off facsimile of the closest. Man...leave it to lazy, delusional humans to accept 6 degrees removed McDonald's and call it "backyard bbq". We really are lowering our expectations & standards in a futile effort to pretend to be happy. I waited 30 years to finally hear someone talk about cds like they are filet mignon, or better than something else, which they're not. I told my friends & audiences so 30 years ago. Now I get to show them this comment & win my bets. Thanks, buddy. (No need to reply, I already cashed in. But if you want to make me MORE money, please do. We made bets on what your rebuttal would be. Double or nothing!)
Computers HAVE applications, like a calculator, and to about that extent. They grew into giant toys & possess a lot of human existence & conciousness now. I don't use the word "possess" lightly, either. I DO mean it THAT way. Check your own conciousness & awareness. Where do YOU get it since 1990? I am ashamed to admit it too. So I keep myself in check & vigilant. But I too am an addict & possessed to some degree. We all are who are HERE right now. Scary, but true. Cold turkey is the only way out for good. Gotta get away...or we'll be back. Like drugs. There's no "just a little taste" or "in moderation" with lies & illusions. It's either/or with this thing. You can fool yourself but you can't fool me. I'm honest with myself about it. And don't try to make it sound "ok". You'll just double my bets & make me richer. And yes, it goes that deep. Look around. See them all on their toys?
Neil Young himself started out in music doing this very same thing: Getting together with friends & having conversations, music, etc...and it led to something bigger...totally innocent. Neil Young isn't an expert on anything but his own music, maybe model trains, a few other health related issues involving his family, and perhaps some other things not everybody knows about. Same with Joe. Same with me. Same with others.
Joe is not using his power or knowledge as leverage. He is doing the most innocent thing: talking with many different people with differing views, transparently allowing everyone who wants to hear it to listen in on it in real time & voice THEIR opinion about it. It doesn't GET more innocent than that. Your own government people, the president, etc...does NOT let you listen in on THEIR conversations. No president or government lets YOU do THAT...and form your own opinion on the things discussed. Obviously, Neil & Joni are using this platform as political leverage. And anyone who does too is doing that as well. They've done this their whole careers. They aren't just innocent artists in a state of being. They are activists using their "art" to convey a message & incite, inspire & encourage public & political action. Nothing wrong with THAT. Just own it & accept it when others do it and when you may not LIKE what THEY have to say.
Spotify says "No skin off our noses" to Neil & Joni. They aren't starting a Spotify revolution, but the weed might tell them so. It's ok with me what they do, cuz I don't use Spotify. But even if I did, and I couldn't listen to Neil anymore, I'd deal with it...like I did with Jimi Hendrix who has no interweb source. I have cds, cassettes & vinyl...and always have. It's the illusion some have that the interweb platform is all that there is. That's THEIR illusion.
Thanks Joe for what you do. Thanks Neil for your songs & music. Joe should thank Neil for the free press (which he does, trust me). And Neil created some for himself & Spotify too. Good business move, Neil. Win-win, for all involved!
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I can't believe this incoherent response is getting likes...
@@yourlocalcryptid9553 incoherent TO YOU. My goldfish doesn't understand it either.
Apple Music is what I use, and it has a great catalogue of music just like Spotify. And I believe that Apple pay the artists better royalties than Spotify do
I really love your videos because you watch something and then analyse it. It doesn't sound like you've watched or listened to the podcast you're discussing but still giving an opinion. It's like me giving an opinion on your music without actually listening to it but just basing my opinion on stats. It's still fairly balanced considering.
Listen to compact discs aka CDs - we used to do it… when I pay money for something, I want to own it. One can pay thousands of dollars to Spotify and never own anything. SUPPORT ARTISTS IN ANY WAY YOU CAN! I bought your CD (Motorheart and tshirt) and it was one of the best decisions I made in 2021. Keep up the great posts and give the other band members my regards, Justin! Looking forward to seeing you in Toronto again this spring!
Hey, Justin!~ I think the drop in valuation was not "affected" by the Joni and Neil combo attack. Tech's been down this year thus far.
Short-term perception dip.
“Not even engaging with the reason” quite, that’s the frustration that people who have major concerns about Covid mandates etc have had with MSM
So let me get the gist: Neil Young doesn’t agree with Joe telling people how he handled his bout with Covid? Joe isn’t forcing or even telling people what decisions they should make, he’s clear. He’s speaking about his personal experience. And he was prescribed the Ivermectin by DOCTORS.
Joe is promoting known medical misinformation. Whether he’s forcing anything isn’t relevant. He has the ear of millions.
@@enjek5654Care to point out this "known medical misinformation"? - Joe has hosted the pioneer of the MRNA vaccine technology, and the foremost expert on Covd19, is there a point of fact you'd like to discuss with them?
@@enjek5654 Misinformation according to whom? CDC? CNN? Fox? Lol. Give examples or shut your gob.
@@sgk9369 Rogan had a doctor on who was a known proponent of spreading pretty heinous misinformation (to the extent twitter had banned him) - threre has also been a number (>1000) of doctors, who have pointed out a number of really damaging points he has made, and called for him to stop peddling bullshit.
Its all good and well to say oh he did x,y, z but he puts out 3 podcasts a week, and interviews people with irrefutable false claims without challenging them. (while presenting them as "Experts" on a subject) - any argument even a bad one will start to make sense if you are exposed to it regularly.
He has on a number of occassions called people who wear masks pussys, he has hyped ivermectin, a drug that has no benefit to the treating of covid. and has also been pretty vocal about the origins of the virus (which if you are still believing a lab leak in 2022, youre a fairly lost cause. )
Its pretty damn damaging, and honestly I think its quickly ruining his reputation.
@@TheSinkingGuitar Big tech banning one does not determine whether what one stated was based in fact, silly goose. Is there a point of fact you'd like to discuss that said doctor got wrong?
I would do the outro as " Justin Hawkins rode again". I would also insert my name but that's not applicable here. I look forward to this show, it's cheering me up a little bit.
"Keep on Rockin in the free world": This message is brought to you by the Ministry of Truth.
imagine missing out on the incredibly obvious sarcasm in that song's chorus that only a moron could not pick up on. truly an astonishing accomplishment.
Just listened to "heart of gold", "Rockin etc" and (love the irony) "the needle and the damage done".. on Spotify. Am I the only one that actually checks? Oh, and now playing BYT by Joni.
Thank you for such a balanced video. It is really hard in life to avoid companies that have iffy ethics. The difficulty is increased when some companies pretty much have a monopoly, for example I was only able to get certain albums from amazon as they were only available in the USA. Trying to stick to your personal ethical code can be difficult. I don't subscribe to Spotify because they don't pay artists enough. I'm happy to check a band out using Spotify then buy the physical CD (which I did before seeing you in Exeter in November, learned the songs from Spotify then asked for Motorheart for Christmas). That way, I hope, more money goes to the artists.
How about Bandcamp?? Im not much user of any of those platforms like Spotify, Deezer...becouse there are bands that i love that are not to find there or sometimes they dont have all the albums or songs missing ...plus im not paying and if u dont pay you cant listen what u want without they putting you songs from other bands ....with Bandcamp you get all the Lps the band put there and is for free , thing is i havent use it much to see if there are bands that i like and May not be there, specially couse i've use it for bands that are still on the road so im not sure, have to check out. Im pretty glad with YT couse here there are lot of bands that i dont find in those other platforms and even rare songs
Still buying cds, never used Spotify or any music streaming. Listened to one of Mr Rogan's podcasts and I ain't getting that time back again 🤣
I still buy DVDs for the same reason.
Spotify just needs to tell Neil "eat a peach" exactly as Neil did to Stephen Stills when he bailed out on him halfway through a tour in 1976. “Dear Stephen, Funny how some things that start spontaneously end that way. Eat a peach, Neil.”
You need to go lick more door knobs and kiss more strangers at the next anti-vax rally.
@@ROOKTABULA Are you okay? I mean that genuinely stranger. Personally attacking and insulting people in comments sections on TH-cam is quite low brow, especially unprovoked. Perhaps working on yourself or speaking to a Friend or Therapist could help?
There is no need for any more hate and spite in this world. That kind of behaviour will eat at your very being, a pox and poison that does yourself, nor anyone else any good.
New intro gives me Queen- You Take My Breath Away vibe. Sweet 👍
Nobody seems to remember now but for the longest time Neil Young wasn't on Spotify. He only allowed his music to be on that weird device he invented/invested in: Pono. So, for the longest time, we didn't have him there. So, if he's not, I do not care. I still have my Neil Young CDs, AND I still have Joe Rogan on Spotify. So I will enjoy them both.
Just two more notes: Joe's "antivaccine attitude" happened in May 2021 and he already apologized, calling himself an idiot who can't be trusted as a source of information. So that's old news, really (although Neil Young's move has to do with a more recent episode with a doctor).
And second, Neil Young wrote "Rocking in the free world". Now he wants to censor people himself. A weird paradox: censoring is bad... unless it's for my own reasons, which are the really good ones.
Just a thought. Peace out.
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It's not about censorship. It's a statement of intent, that he was unwilling to share a platform and indirectly support someone who promotes dangerous misinformation and panders to conspiracy theorists.
@@tentringer4065 That just doesn't hold. Not your comment, but Neil Young's move. I'm vaccinated myself, I do think it's the best we can do and I don't believe for one second conspiracy theorists. Hence the cause-effect of 'listening to Joe Rogan equals believing vaccines are devil' is just not true. I can form my own opinion about things and don't have to follow whatever Joe Rogan says. Neil Young is just insulting the intellect of all of us who listen to him. However, it's healthy to doubt things and pose questions, which is all Joe Rogan does, on this and many other matters. What I mean is, even if Joe Rogan was against vaccines, I still can listen to him, see what he and his guests have to say and then make up my own mind about it, which in this case is disagreeing. Lastly, if Joe Rogan was so stupid and close-minded, he wouldn't have such cool, brilliant, progressive guests as Jamie Foxx or Miley Cyrus. Seems like critics haven't really listen to the podcast for a sustained period of time.
As for you and me, I don't like at all this polarization we "need" to take part of. I'm not interested in being "right" or having to agree with you. I'm interested in knowing why you think the way you think, to understand you better, to understand everything better. Like what you said about the statement of intent. I hadn't looked at it that way. Makes me think although I probably don't see it like that. And that's cool.
Possibly my favourite rendition of the outro jingle thus far. Well done mate!
If every artist left a platform that large based entirely on disagreement with the views of another artist on the same platform, there wouldn't be any artists left on said platform.
It's not about opinions really. It's about giving those opinions a platform.
@@WonderWaageRadio where's the line?
I was watching this thinking, this is better to watch, not as many long pauses and slower talking as the other shows. Then I realised I had the speed on 1.5 some reason. I love your videos Justin but I really enjoyed it slightly faster as I have problems with concentration haha.
Keep up the great vids mate.
Neil Young is a 'Champion of Empire' (as are most rock stars). Pro Government/Pro Big Pharma/Pro Censorship. Sad. We were all duped.
You were right first time, 'affected'. Peace and love
What bothers me most about the issues Neil Young and others have with Spotify and Joe's comments, which are opinions and free speech, is that the "artists" didn't seem to have any problem being on the media platform for years given the fact that Spotify has plenty of music content promoting cop killing and drug peddling.
That's like saying Scorcese films promote crime. There is a clear delineation between fact and fiction. There is a difference between free expression and opinion and blatant disinformation being promoted during a health crisis.
Apple Music
Come on, Justin. You're about the same age as me and you even alluded to it. Want to hear Neil Young? Buy the record and put it on! Better for the artist, better for the listener, win-win. I'm not even talking about vinyl, necessarily, because it's ridiculously expensive. Get the CD and whack it up, job done.
Tidal is the best choice imo because it pays out about 3 times the amount Spotify does to artists (still not much, but at least 3 times not much) and you get full CD-quality stream (1411 kb/s) for the same price. The library is about the same size than Spotify's. Their streaming apps had several issues at the time but everything's working great now.
Does it matter? If you care about frees speech it does. For someone who was so "anti-establishment" 50 years ago, Young sure sounds very "establishment" this past week. Funny how these "artists" all seem to reading from the same script.
If you feel strongly about something, act strongly! Conviction in the public domain and commerce takes some stones these days.
I've watched Joe for years. He's not anti vax nor does he promote it. I think a lot who think that have formed their opinion of him from headlines that are incorrect sound bites. Joe liked open discussion, for and against, and will pitch in with his opinions. It has been blown out of proportion massively, in favour of the narrative that isn't allowing the ebb and flow of discourse.
Don't expect old hippies to think rationally.
Amazon music is great for me. It's even got obscure stuff from my grunge years that I thought had completely disappeared. I swear by it.
Yeah but 12 months ago any musician who said anything about Covid was told to “stick to music”. Now we are all listening to musicians because some of them are going with the mainstream. It’s absolutely incredible.
Yep. Rock is dead. It hurts to see how much some people sell out to the establishment for fear of being cancelled or labeled 'right wing'. Cowards the lot of 'em.
I use TH-cam music, and have for about a decade (it was Google Play Music prior to that). If it's an artist I love, I'm inclined to buy merch.
I still buy CDs. I take very good care of my cd collection. I still like supporting bands by purchasing units. I stream music on Spotify when I’m in my car but other than that, I don’t give a shit about one side or the other. I got vaccinated but I don’t care if the guy next to me at a show is or isn’t.
Right on man. Same here.
Call me old school but I like to buy CDs and listen to them while reading through the cd booklet included.
Keep on rockin’ in the free world Neil! I bet he’s really gonna miss that $11 he makes streaming his music on Spotify
Spotify did make the right business call. But I don't necessarily agree with it. But I am thinking of this more as a musician than a businessman. It's really a shame Neil Young and Joni Mitchell took their stuff down because I enjoy their material and I would often click on their music. But yeah, Spotify made the right business call.
It wasn't wrong information.. Rogan was correct..
Spotify should absolutely not yield to this, it would set a terrible precedent.
This could degenerate into a purity spiral; artists with the highest play counts dictating which artists they are willing to share a platform with on the basis of ideology.
It’s easy to imagine mentions of firearms, lyrics deemed to be
sexist, violent or satanic being in the next wave of censorship.
I don’t think that presents much of a danger for smaller users though. The podcast brings in over ten million listeners per episode; it’s fair to assume that the objections to it aren’t merely content-based, but also reach-based.
It matters because one side is trying to silence the other side.
Throughout history the people pushing censorship have never been the good guys. But these people tell themselves that they're different, because they are virtuous. They're not.
Who burned the books and the records ?
@@StratsRUs The same kind that want Rogan hushed. When the counter culture becomes the censor is pretty sad to see.
@@StratsRUs The people pushing censorship?
@@Pystdammit H K thinks he's being virtuous.
Justin, love what you're doing here. JHRA brings me quite a bit of joy weekly.
What's the deal with the DJ controller? I've always associated you as a guitar purist. Streaming DJ set soon?
With Love,
Justen.
I DJ in actual venues! And sometimes I do live stream DJ-ing on my Patreon here: www.patreon.com/jushawk but usually my Sunday 9pm livestream is what happens on there, it's a lot of fun, I've been doing it for 18 months now!
@@JustinHawkinsRidesAgain well you've sold me on the Patreon! Looking forward to joining your next party!
When ‘ethics’ comes into it, surely Tidel is leading the wave. Artist owned. However, all pay literally pennies for someone’s hard craft. Makes me think that Music isn’t meant to make money, rather made to sell other ‘technologies’; CD players, Walkman’s, phones, streaming services and now cars. The artist will always lose. The tech will always win.
Tidal ethical? Bwhahahahahahahaaa
Spotify alternative. What I do is buy music and then put the mp3s onto my NAS (Network Attached Storage) . Then I can stream it to my phone or stereo. It's like having your own streaming service. But one where the artistes don't get so fucked. You can make playlists and all that and also give other people logins too.
That’s the problem. People are confusing sources of entertainment with sources of information.
I watched Joe Rogan for the first time a couple days ago and he fact-checks the claims of his guests live on air. I don't see how that can possibly be constituted as "entertainment" or "false information". He's much more objective and committed to facts than any late-night host on mainstream news networks. MSM has lost its credibility in the recent years, so people naturally gravitate to alternate sources that actually have integrity.
I use Apple Music. It integrates well with the Apple ecosystem. I can use the lossless files for reference tracks when mixing and mastering. I use the iDAM connection from my iPad to my MacBook, where I can print reference tracks right into Logic.
To me artists getting their fair share is the most obvious thing a streaming service can do right. How can we the consumers use this type of pressure to enable that sort of change?
Streaming services are paying music artists way less than they should.
How much. should an artist be payed monthly tell me?
How come the person who wrote "Hey Jude" gets payed less than the people who wrote "Somebody I used to Know"?
There is nothing "fair" about the streaming services.
Oddly enough I used amazon to listen to The Darkness albums whilst I worked away outside today. Made my day!
I'm saddened and a bit frightened by how many people are advocating for what I consider censorship and violation of free speech (not legally, but effectively).
I’m saddened and a bit frightened by how many people are defending bullshit propagation as well intentioned rational debate and a bulwark of human rights.
@@TimeWolf26 Think what you want about Rogan, but this will come back to bite you when corporations decide that something you believe in is misinformation that must be silenced.
@@Marklar3 lmao, corporations are already silencing what I care about. Censorship is bad; bad faith exploitation of ignorance and fear under the guise of “rational debate” against the run of scientific evidence for material gain is also bad.
@@TimeWolf26 Who decides what is bad faith exploitation of ignorance and fear? If this kind of logic is accepted, there's nothing stopping powerful people from labeling anything they want to censor as misinformation.
@@Marklar3 powerful people’s ability to censor comes from their power, not from their justification. And while I do appreciate that most people will have to take someone’s word in blind faith when it comes to complex technical issues, and I sympathise with the skepticism that arises from having every possible conflicting viewpoint angrily shouted at you 24/7, facts are still facts, and good science does exist. There is a truth out there.
Good thing Young’s catalogs can be found at almost any random estate sale on vinyl.
Well I hope Neil Young will remember,
a podcasting man don’t need him around anyhow
Thats mean....😁
@@mikaelsjoberg1894 it's also unoriginal.
Screw Spotify, screw ALL streaming services. Buy the damn product from the artists, and don't depend on someone else to make it available to you.
Neil Young just sold his publishing rights for $150 million..wonder how he will feel if his songs are used to advertise on Spotify..can’t have it both ways Mr Young
I like it when you look like a Caravaggio painting, or a Hockney (green cravat) .. today you look like an Anthony van Dyck Charles 1 before the armour goes on. Thank you for your painterly posts 🧑🏼🎨
I thought we were rocking in the freedom of speech world Neil
I'm a music industry ignoramus...know zilch about it....
I do miss the days of vinyl, cassettes and CDs though....where you went to an actual shop and parted with your saved up Saturday job money for something you could physically hold and look at as well as play...
Am vaguely aware that musicians seem to feel ripped off by Spotify and their ilk.
I'd gladly cancel my Spotify subscription and subscribe instead to a streaming service that treated musicians decently, even if it was more expensive to subscribe...
Maybe it's time that musicians worked together to get such a service up and running (if there isn't one already)..is there such a thing as a musicians' union?!
From a very scientific sample of one, I can tell you what Neil Young fans are like.
There was this guy I knew in the army who used to listen to Neil Young all the time. He disagreed over some matter of principle with the Company Sergeant Major. Instead of putting him up against the wall of the base and forcing the rest of us to shoot him, he decided to "make him come to his senses", and sent him outside to go and live near the rubbish tip.
The idea would've been that if he survived the first night the experience would scare him enough to make him come home all lonely and meek and contrite. But he was a Neil Young fan. He found a home somewhere in the bush, and would pitch up to collect rations from the drivers who did rubbish removals every day. Eventually they must've decided it would be more trouble than it was worth if he was killed or taken prisoner out there, so they made him come back into the base, eventually. (They had to make him come back, because he was a Neil Young fan.)
So I'm not surprised Spotify has taken a hit from the Neil Young fans out there. Some of the directors of Spotify probably have Neil Young Fan daughters who have already moved out of home to go and live on the beaches of Cartagena (the one downhill from Bogota).
And they're probably kommuniste. A Neil Young fan is a kommunis. Someone told me that once.
So... Neil Young fans are tough and resourceful "kommunistes". Maybe the US needed more of them to win whatever war you're talking about.
The US military has only lost wars and created humiliating adventures since 1952. Surrendering to rag-tag communists right & left, and paying off terrorists to please not fight them. The US is a global laughing stock now. Let's blame Neil Young fans.
@@carlodave9 It goes deeper than just war. It goes right down the the competitive impulse, and how so much of what we do is narrowed down to the drive to "win" something. That is: to make something/someone else "Lose". To do enough harm. (In war, kill, maim, destroy. In milder situations, milder versions of those.)
Maybe in some situations this whole "war of life" is just how "Nature" works, but not in all situations. But we have an unfortunate tendency to make little "wars" out of everything - out of arguments, for instance. Definitely out of politics. Most of the time the "war" approach in such matters is counter-productive (for everyone - so in "war terms" you have a case where "everyone loses").
The Americans have done all sorts of war and stuff in the previous century, but the finer qualities of what it all might *mean* one day are probably not going to be determined by trial by combat. ("Fighting" over it isn't going to award the "winner" with a better kind of truth than the kind of truth that was the casualty of the "little war").
Our CSM would've just reduced it to something simple like the "kommuniste" are trying to put Satan on the throne of the One World Government. He was a simple man. That's how simple men think. Most of us are at least to some extent more simple than would be needed for us to be able to properly judge what is the truth, the whole truth and ... something else ... who cares.
He had his virtues. For instance he was no coward. He tried to lead a bunch of my comrades into a veritable hail of copper jacketed lead one day, actually. They decided to turn down his invitation, and all just lay there on the ground watching the trees get stripped of all their leaves and some branches, so he ended up all alone out front of them.
Back in the day I might have even thought him a fool, but time has proven that it's probably my sort that were the fools. So I've given up on being my sort as a result.
sounds like something that 100% never happened.
@@adamjones6252 It does, doesn't it? But even though it sounds that way, it actually did - not that I can offer any convincing evidence of the facts.
I loved James Blunt's response, threatening to release new music onto Spotify if they keep Joe Rogan :)
I Love Neil, Love Joe. It’s shame but they’re their own men and they can make their own decisions and should be able to speak their minds freely. As for Spotify not paying musicians enough, they have the power, that’s not going to change, as a musician you need to be smart and look at other ways of making money with in the industry.
Cant believe 'Justin Hawkins riiiiides.... again...' is now a part of my daily routine, I woke up early today and have been waiting for this.