UA1176 vs WA76 Shoot Out
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This video does a pretty exact match, from the original ua 1176, one of the best compressors on the planet, faced up against the shocking similar recreate from warm audio, we matched levels and did a proper shoot out. You decide ...
do a blind test with the same settings and all these so called experts will be silent
They were really close on the drums. The Warm unit left more top end on the guitars. I ordered the WA76 and a WA73 EQ a couple of hours ago.
That's about to be my vocal chain as well. I already have the WA-73 Eq.
Warm audio make awesome equipment! Really good hardware. I think I noticed a bit of a difference on THD and response from both of them. The WA76 sounded a bit more trebly plus easier to distort and the UA sounded with fuller low and low mid frequencies and cleaner at higher input levels, specially on distorted guitars. I guess that it depends on what you are after. WA comes pretty close though. Thanks for the video!
Azael Buendia Revive Audio!!! I bought my unit from them, and it is a much more solid buy. I am OVER ECSTATIC ABOUT MY WA76, especially coming from them with the mod. You van push it hard, and it is AMAZING, and doesn't loose bottom like the stock versions.
Sounds like Warm Audio recreated the WA76 after the UAD 1176, not the UA 1176 version. What a great misunderstanding. Hm, I'd prefer the plugin then, it's more convenient.
That's actually f***ing close!
The Warm Audio people took a lot of shortcuts with this thing, give it to the people straight. I ended up buying one only because it was modified from the start. The stock versions loose bottom end when cranked. Point Blank. I guess it's ok if you don't push it, but you need to have these modified when you get them. I didn't know they were that bad until everybody I talked to said the same thing. The guys at Revive Audio straightened me out though. They gutted the whole inside and did what they needed to to get my unit right. They even modded the power supply. I'm impressed. Warm is a good company, but they fell short with these because of cutting corners. The guys at Revive Audio left the Cinemag Transformers, but replaced just about everything else. They bypassed certain things in the signal path as well to get a better performance. I have the Warm Audio Tone Beast mic preamp and it is a sheer work of art!!!! They are even calling it the Avalon Killer because it really is that impressive. Can't believe they fell short on the 76'. It's all good. With guys like the dudes I went to you don't have to worry about it. LOL.
I think the 1176 is quality wise a notch above the Warm because it attributes more to variables like opulent, deep, etc. But the Warm can be very useful, especially on vocals due to it's strong harmonics and aggressive nature. You can here the internal components clipping. But the fundamentals are weak relative to the harmonics which excludes it from specific tasks. The context will decide. Thank you very much for the comparison !
Unfortunately, judging from the needle responses, you didn't match the attack and release times between the two units :) you set the knobs to the same number values however, each unit seems to respond totally differently at the same settings. Still, the WA76 *IS* an amazing unit and well worth its price!
its not the same piece of gear. its not gonna react the same even if they were set to the exact same settings
@@carsoncoffee7888 exactly, it's what you hear not what you see.
Why didn't you match the input,output,attack,release and ratio that way would be more fair test!
The WA76 is WAY louder, so they approximated.
Yeah this is actually far more accurate than any other shoot out where they are at the same ratio. I have a wa-76 and the studio I work at has a couple 1176's and I can definitely say that the WA76 has much more drive that the original 1176. I actually suprisingly like the WA76 better!
There are small differences in the tolerances of most of the parts in these units, especially in potentiometers. Even if you look two units from the same year and same company there would be slight variances in how you set each of them unless their a factory matched pair. That’s just one of the many idiosyncrasies of analogue gear.
The WA sounded better, more crisp and more present in the high end on all sources except the kick drum. It had plenty of low end but sounded muddled like a big 808 drum. The guitar and vocal turned on and came to life each time the WA76 switched on. Very impressed. I do think some tweaks could account for the muddled kicks on the WA. And for the presence on the UA. Im poor so Warm Audio it is.
The question is 599 vs 1999, does it sound 1400 better? Probably not. We have one and we love it. Just get it the wa76.
quicksilvercaddy I have one modded by Revive Audio. Sweet!!!
quicksilvercaddy Do what I did and have it modified by the guys at Revive Audio. No stock version can touch it!!!!
@@aarona.dubzperson8245 hey aaron, do you have one modded by revive audio? and is it sweet?
exactly, and the warm audio stuff is built with quality components many of the same as the more expensive units
This Vid has been out for a while now. Nobody notice that the output settings aren't matched?
UA is Set higher
He just told us the truth @
0:25 - 0:30
Gotta say I like the tonal character of the WA76 a little more. the UA1176 is nice and a bit smoother, but I just like the extra grit that the WA76 adds to the signal.
Al's House Productions You should hear it AFTER the guys at Revive Audio mods it!!! OMG!!! I have that version!!! Sweet!!!
the difference on vocals is quite evident, Warm Audio seems less 3D, more colored like it's trying to act like a colored compressor on purpose. I actually find UAs to always sound cleaner than clones, maybe because the clones always desperately want to sound "vintage"
DanielSilvestriProd Two words. Revive Audio!!!! I got my Wa76 from them modified, and WOW!!!! TRUST ME!!!!
I’m hearing the same characteristics that you describe, before reading your comment. Colored/noisy on purpose, shine hiding what sounds like a "safer", more wide range constant, compression than the original 1176. But i find the envelopes very good on the wa76!
I'd buy an 1176 from AudioScape before Warm Audio. Might as well save three to four hundred more bucks and get something that'll actually sound like a vintage unit. Why cheap out. The only thing I like about Warm is their mic preamps.
just received my WA87 today..Hooked it up to my TB12 and WA76 and put it threw a few test, and it is a very nice Mic. You just have to try it for yourself. I was amazed of the tones that you can get from it. I did another test with the Rode K2 and the AT 2035. The WA87 Topped them both, but this is my ears and my Producers Ears... if you get a chance, just to into a Music Store and see if they will let you try one out, you will be amazed. Remember, anyone can say good and bad things about the mic, but you have to try it out for yourself and see if it fits into your locker, right..... JOJO
jojogirandi we actually have two and totally agree thanks for sharing this new video coming soon shooting out verse the real thing! Thanks for sharing
Warm Audio attack and release are spongy. Not the snappy sound of an 1176.
Exactly, that's what I heard too! 1176 got more air around it too.
Hmm maybe you have to clean your ears?
@@MrJinusean90 LOL, that's not the problem. If you're happy with the Warm, more power to ya.
I think that UA is a much better on electric guitar and kick. Thank you for this video!
Damn, that WA76 sounded really good.
I suggest doing review of 76 first n your own promo after
i had 2 ua reissues and sold them, nothing like the original. now rocking a hairball and a purple mc77, couldn't be happier!!
The 1176 sounds a little more round in the bottom end while the wa76 sounds a little more open in the higher freq. so similar though its crazy.
There is a mid range bump in the WA76 compared to the UA1176 giving the UA more depth and openess. Whereas the bump in the WA gives it more presence. EQ could/might change either, depending on what you want. It could be a good test, to try to EQ the WA to match the UA and see if that's the only issue.
1176 sounded fuller the WA76 sounded thinner comparetively and had more high mid presence, before this video I checked your Teletronix vs WA2A comparison was very impressed with WA2A but here WA76 sounds different than a 1176.
I have a WA76 here and feel the same way about the audio files in this video as I do about my WA76. On most resources, I end up not liking the final product due to the strange high-end frequency/ artifacts this box imparts on it. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE how this box compresses a signal, I just don't like the high-end. To me, the UA-1176 was perfect. Some people may think the subtleties are minor while I think they are a major part of the final sound or the decision to keep that final sound. The UA handled the low end much better as well. There was a definite weight to the audio that I couldn't find from the WA-76.
Elliot Johnston I got mines modded from the get go by Revive Audio, and mannnn, you wouldn't say what you're saying if you would have gotten your unit from them. Trust me!!!
FFS man. How much are Revive paying you? Seriously??? That's about the 16th name drop you've made.
@@aarona.dubzperson8245 What company did your mod?
After listening both units and comparing other audios on my studio with the WA76 I agree with your conclusions.
The WA sounded great! More top end for sure, however the 1176 definitely had a bit more body. Over all I'd say both are great products, but would each shine more in different applications!
I bet many would fail in a random blind test. Myself included. Listening on my Amphions the difference is completely negligible given the price difference. And it is all amatter of preference. What worries me the most in this price bracket is the actual reliability of the hdw.
compression on electric guitar? that signal has no dynamics whatsoever, solid block, why use compresor on it?
it brings out some more aggression and evens pick attack out - if you want that
I liked the WARM Audio better. More of an open sound and more of the tone and frequencies made it through
I feel like all signals passing through the WA76 sound enclosed but when it hits the 1176 everything just opens up and has a smoothness to it. But for what it's worth, you can't beat that price point.
The U/A 1176 has a bit more low-end punch and grit to my ear in almost every example. The warm piece sounds a bit thin but its still pretty close
they didnt gain match the Warm Audio, so we didn’t get a good representation
Biggest difference were the release times ;) But other than that the WA76 sound a bit more upfront
The point of buying an expensive compressor is not only for sound, because most copies and clones are able to “compress”. You pay for build quality, you pay for good components, and good quality control. Which I don’t feel warm audio has, they spend so much in advertisement so where do they save money where others don’t? Buy what you want, but buy gear you’ll never have to service and will arrive perfect, not unlike all the horror stories of Warm Audio where things arrive broken and with bad quality control.
Sounds like alot of UA fanboys is in the comments. I got both and whe WA been getting more usage lately.
I use what makes my creativity sound good!
i actually found the wa76 to sound a bit more open then the UA1176, would have thought itd be the other way around
a fool and their money is soon parted
wow they do sound remarkably close
nope :p It's just a good copy, for an emulation its remarkably close. whats wrong with that?
The lead guitar was literally the only one that I thought /maybe/ I'd prefer the UA over the WA but only because, since the WA just has more of a bite in the tone, it felt a bit harsh. But then again, that's in solo. In a track the WA might sound better ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
If it is still a little harsh, a simple lowpass is a hell of a lot cheaper than buying the UA over the WA.
Analog heaven.
Hi guys, I'm from Russia! Some say it is better for WA as well? This compressor is simply different, there is a clear equalization of the middle and upper middle, while the original 1176 focuses on the lower middle and bass. On the barrel you can hear it, the guitar is perfectly audible, the vocals not really - I think just the song unsuccessful. (I wrote in Russian, thanks to the translator)))
In my humble opinion, the WA sounds a little brighter but the UA sounds a little smoother. Impressive clone though! Great shootout guys, very helpful.
jedirocker8 thanks for watching I am convinced it is the best gear for the money
WA76 changes the tone completely, and UA doesn't as much.
Absolutely.
It's dramatical in the Gtr Lead @ 3:55
Very similar! I think I liked the Warm better for everything BUT vocals and solo electric guitar.
One critique. Please don't use heavy distortion instrument to test a compressor. Distortion already naturally compresses a signal. I do appreciate the shoot out and thanks for the video!
The WA is a very nice unit, but the 1176 sounds like the records we love the most. So it's better.
They sound pretty darn close - the 1176 actually seemed to compress less aggressively! A bit more punch than the WA76, but then again, the settings may not have been perfectly matched.
The 1176 create more taste and is a bit more dense (more quality), but surprisingly close.
so for the sake of chimmin in... I actually thought that the fact the settings weren't the same was a cool thing, talking about the input and output more so than attack and release. Seems like you guys were going more for the sound vs matching settings. Matching settings never seems to work between different manufacturers...with that said they were really close and I'm sure with a tad more tweakage might be almost undiscernibly close, I did hear the warm sort of brighten up a hair and that may be a good thing or maybe its because the warm is brand spanking new and the UA stuff has been truckin along for a bit. I've heard from all the big boys how these things go "out of spec" with time and Andrew Scheps likes it on his gear..I don't know if that's what's up here, but it would make sense if it was or maybe the Warm is just brighter. anyway, I thought the wa76 was awesome and I dig warm...I have the wa2a and wa87 and am stoked! thanks guys
dirty fingers is a gibson humbucker lol..just got one actually...
Hum .. seems that warm brightens the sound a little bit
You can sell the Classics in my opinion. ;)
Personally, I hear the high end ring in the WA76 which I think would grate across a mix. The 1176 cuts but also rounds out that top end. Now with time would some of those resistors break in a bit more and soften? Maybe.
I've maybe use the WA76 for vocals. I feel the sound comes more dry with it to apply any effects later. (I'm an amateur)
You've got to like the fact that they labeled the attack and release so you know that fast is to the right.
How do you like the bellari?
It seems that release times do not match... I think release time in UA is longer. But anyway WA sounds more open, clear, transparently and 'warmer'. :-) Of course the price is really important. I think I'll buy a pair of these in the near future. )
what is that fuzzy gain sound on the WA on the elec gtr? UA is cleaner and better quality
The 1176 still sounds better, it sounds bigger in the bottom it retains more info down there and wa76 kinda shaves off some of it, but still a very great compressor.
its literally the exact same circuit that was patented for years before UA’s patent expired. they sound identical, as identical as every 1176 is to another 1176, which is not very fuckin identical
I would get both compressors. Use one for one song and another for a different song. Mix things up for fun.
You guys spent half of this video hocking services... nice!
1176 adds very pleasant harmonics.
hey man a question, what is the ratio you use for kick and snare on the wa76? thanks
No brainer. If you got $2400 get the 1176. Me since they are so close would buy the WA76 for $600. The only reason the 1176 costs so much is because they want to make you believe its the holt grail. They would sell a shit ton more if they sold them for $1000.
Does anybody know what you're paying for with the extra thousands of dollars? Is it just the name or are there actually better parts in the UA? Sound wise it's pretty hard for me to tell over youtube but I'm wondering if it's worth it to spend that extra couple grand.
on snare and solo guitar i liked the warm better but rhythm guitar, kicks, and vocals the UA blows the warm out of the water
Warm is kinda straight sounding and the 1176 feels smoother. I guess you pay for quality.
Nah. You pay for the name. Maybe an extra $100 in actual quality. not worth being taken for.. unless you have money to burn
No one is mentioning that attack and release times weren't matched. Hard to compare otherwise.
As is usually the difference, the UA has a fuller, more defined low end than the Warm version. Owning both, i’ve come to also feel like the UA just sounds better the longer I have it, while the Warm version has become a bit sterile sounding to me after a couple years. At one time, when I was less experienced, I would have preferred the sound of the WA, but now I would favor the UA, without question, if money wasn’t a consideration. To me, improvements are very subtle, and most probably wouldn’t notice much of it, but there’s a cumulative effect i’ve found with using the more ‘high end’ piece that seems to work best for me, although that surely would not apply to everyone, so make sure you properly formulate your expectations to suit yourself, first and foremost.
Trae Richthofen Got my Wa76 from Revive Audio. Modified right from the start, so I never had to worry about a thin sounding unit that looses bottom when you push it. My unit is GREAT!!!!! And it was only an extra 250 for the mod. Well worth it!!!
Muy buenas a todos desgraciadamente no sé inglés soy Pedro de España que recientemente se está montando sus primeros estudios de grabación, y ahora estoy en la parte de equipo analógico estos dos tertulianos estos dos muchachos hablan a favor o en contra del W a 76, gracias agradecería una respuesta en español un saludo a todos
goddamn that snare is bright
ua76 is cleaner, but i liked the wa76 for that lofi vibe.
WA-76 Vs Black Lion Bluey?
UA is bit warmer and sound is just a bit more full imo
so what would be better between a UA 1176 PLUG IN vs a WARM AUDIO WA76 hardware?
this is the question i want to know!!!!
im a professional apparently...i have grammys. I could BARELY hear the difference....I can only imagine in a mix. for the cost differential ill take the warm Audio please. For the snob in me, ill take the originals.
The King Try getting a Wa76 modified by Revive Audio. Thats what I did for an extra 250 bucks. You'll really lose your mind when you hear THAT!!!! TRUST ME!!!!
The King I have the Wa76, and its great. I dont have the stock version though, I have one that I purchased from Revive Audio, fully modified!!! The stock version can't touch a modded one with a ten foot pole!!!
Exactly
What are these folks complaining about? It's a great test I think. Totally impressed by the WA76, sounds as good if not better than the UA 1176. Listening through UA 2192 converters and Genelec 8040s monitors here, I think the WA76 has a tad more sparkle to the sound and I really like that.
The alternative would be to find a original 1176 in good shape, good luck with that. Just saw one on the Vintage King website and it was almost $ 6000, unbelievable!!
An off topic question, how come for every single one of these high-end gear shoot-out video, the drum audio examples used always sound like shit? lmao snare: poorly-tuned ringing trash can, kick: literal cardboard,
Great video!
But sorry kids, nothing sounds like the original 1176!
There's just more meat to it!
Sounds much beefier, fuller!
Ok, not that much, but noticeable.
Again, for the price, the WA76 sounds awesome.
Soundwise though, UA1176 wins.
DrumsJulz My Wa76 was modded from the start by a company called Revive Audio. It has as much beef as the 1176, TRUST ME!!!! Warm did cut corners on the 76's, but when modded by Revive, SMH... PURE BLISS!!! I LOVE MYYYY UNIT!!!
Tune that snair. WTF
Doug is it worth the extra money to get the wa76 modded with Revive Audio
Brian G Yep!!!!! Thats where I got my unit from!!!! You can push it HARD, and it stays in tact and does its job WELLLLL!!!
I like the UA 1176 better. The WA76 is thinner, there is a little more umph with the UA version.
dude on the right is mixing TONIGHT IN THE CAGE!!!!
go cavs
No one's saying what the mystery example is. I think it's the WA
The WA is a little beefier. I like the UA on vocals and WA on the drums
1176 is something else 😂🔥🔥
Love Warm Audio!!!
tenisha ann stuff is fantastic!
Would've helped if the passages sung through each were the same ...
Anyway, this UA > this WA, but the WA is still really good ...
the warm is a little hotter for sure. more up front.
I don’t hear a $2,000 difference, maybe $500 max
In my opinion, this kind of comparision is ridiculous... "I can't hear the difference...It's better then the classic...whoooo wow."
But the big suprise is when you work with them, and in context they sound nothing to the real thing. (Every pro knows that, and thats why they don't sell the classic gear, and fill up their rack with WA)
The classic, always a classic, and no compromise.
Btw! I don't say that you can't go with this gear, just don't get fooled by the marketing. The two gears are NOT the same! And they are so far frome each other... And the results will be dissapointing if you are searching for the classic sound.
Same when you would like to buy a mic. Hear the results in context. Then choose.
I bet you, no one can identify them if it was blind test, you my be able to hear subtle differences but not fully identify it, overall this is sunjective at the end the average listener dont care what element they used in a Mix they just hear a record that's it. they are not going to Listen the Low end, or the mids, neither high end... Peace!
@doug jenkins trying to set my warm audio as a hardware insert with my 003 and no luck
run the out of say 3 to the in of warm piece then back out to input 3 on interface... corresponding inputs and outputs on the interface
1176 sounds fuller
I'd rather get an 1176 from AudioScape.
Using the WA76 vs the 1176 isn't going to lose you any customers. The average person won't know the difference
Doug. Are you selling your SSL summing box?
TJ Mack yes man word gets round quick :)
Doug Jenkins how many inputs and outputs or better yet can you send me a pic of the back of it. interested in buying it.
Doug Jenkins if you are getting an SSL board , you might as well sell the symphony io and go straight avid along with copping a prism.
I had a symphony but sold mine. my uad apollo sounded better in my opinion especially when clocked.
TJ Mack buying summing its 8 in 8 out with 4 insert points for gear and it sounds great
UA is much better than warm. we dont want do have sizzly guitars in the mix. Try the klarkteknik 1176, its much better.
Looks and sounds just like Johnny demarco, that eccentric boss pedal guy. Are they related lol
WARM AUDIO kind of sounds better actually!!!!!!
Shawn Waters thanks for the warm audio turn on Fam !!!!!! We are on a mission to build a full rack
Now thats what im talking about!!! & Thats no SNAKE OIL!!!!!!
Shawn Waters saaaahnake oil.
Rotflmao
love it it shaa nayk oy ya that's how dude was. LOLO
COOL
a little off subject but is a dbx 160xt worth buying to use within the vocal chain for $199
dbx is really good on bass and kick the dbx 160 a, give it a try for 199
I've got 3 DBX 160's and a WA76. I prefer the 160's on kicks and floor tom, the WA76 on the snare. Love them both but they act different to certain things.
I just went to get 160xt
I'm gonna run it in my vocal chain
st69 > UA m610 > dbx 160xt into the Apollo twin
I also will have unison 610 preamp on the in
should be nice
Cool. Any compressor will technically do what its supposed to.
KillahVolt Beats if you can find a vintage 160.
Sorry, they do not sound the same at all, my opinion, WA is completely saturating, it makes the high end so arsh, you can hear it clearly on the guitar, but on other sources it’s still there. This kind of saturation does not sound coming from transformers but i guess is all the signal path low quality... UA is cleaner, does not color at all. Much, much better. These differences to me remain also in a mix. A bad sounding source is always bad. Settings were not matchad.