The Ultimate 1176 Shootout | Vintage Originals | Klark Teknik 76-KT | Clones | Plugins
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- We've had great fun in this video comparing various revisions of classic 1176 compressor with a few modern-day clones, and two of the most popular plugins.
Many thanks to FX Rentals - www.fxgroup.net for providing us with:
2 Urei 1776 revision H silverface
2 Universal Audio 1176 revision D blackface
1 Universal Audio 1176 LN reissue
1 Purple Audio MC76
And to Doug Hunt - www.doughunt.co.uk for providing us with 2 Klark Teknik 76-KT units, and to Sam Russel for the Hairball revision D kit version.
A huge thank you also to the superb musicians who provided their ample talents specifically for this project:
Andy Platts (vocals) - www.mamasgun.co.uk and younggunsilverfox
Chris Boot (drums) - www.notparamount.com
James Maltby (guitar) - jamesmaltbyguitarist
Andrew Blowers (bass) - andyblowers
MIchael Horner (rhodes) - michael.horner.77
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Music Credits:
Intro Sequence - Mark Ashfield
History Section - Michael Horner Trio
Shootout - Michael Horner/Andy Platts/Chris Boot/Andrew Blowers/James Maltby
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1:30 Intro
3:14 History lesson on Bill Putnam and the 1176
8:37 Different 1176 revisions
10:27 Explanation of the shootout procedure
14:19 All the elements through all the models processed individually and then mixed together with moderate settings.
15:46 Bass drum: Settings as used in the mix (ratio 4, slow attack, fast release). Some devices are shown with different values on the attack and release.
17:03 Bass drum: Compressor bypassed, audio running through the amplification stage
20:59 Bass drum: Windscreen wiper mode (all buttons in)
22:13 Snare drum: Settings as used in the mix
23:18 Snare drum: Compressor bypassed, audio running through the amplification stage
24:23 Snare drum: All buttons in
25:31 Bass guitar: Settings as used in the mix
27:05 Bass guitar: Compressor bypassed, audio running through the amplification stage
28:36 Bass guitar: All buttons in
29:42 Elec. guitar: Settings as used in the mix
30:48 Elec. guitar: All buttons in
32:13 Rhodes: Settings as used in the mix
33:20 Rhodes: All buttons in
34:22 Vocal: Settings as used in the mix
35:18 Vocal: All buttons in
35:47 Conclusion and outro.
Thanks for that, that's super helpful!
MVP!
This is probably the best "sound video" on TH-cam!
Awesome musicians, good gain matching of the examples, no inaccurate or misunderstood information, a good signal path, an interesting history lesson and no craving for e-mail addresses :D
It's perfect! Thank you for making this!
Hey Lennart, thanks so much for your comment, that really means a lot. We put a lot of time into that video, so it’s nice when someone picks up on the details. Thanks very much!
I can only second that....what a great video....again
Ur right the sound is pristine.
facts
Ill 3rd that!!!
Wow, the Klark really sounds amazing.
That Klark was easily one of the best sounding, what a bargain!
That Rev H is just perfect
Anyone thinking about buying an 1176 type compressor really needs to see this wonderful video.
Finally, an audio channel that doesn't take itself so seriously, and isn't so drenched in suggested marketing/advertising that I want to execute myself (let's hope I haven't spoken too soon, only seen a few vids). Subbed.
Thanks Alex! No marketing here!
The OG silver face hands down sounds the best. The purple audio is a close second.
The drums really showed that; silver face smashed that. I liked it on the guitar and bass too. Though on the guitar I thought the black face had a thicker, smoother more pleasing sound. But, I think mostly that was just the effect it had on tone shaping, than the compression.
Awesome review. This channel deserves more exposure.
Thanks for watching, Rick!
That Urei Silverface Rev H on the Kick with the input all the way up sounds DOPE!!!!!
WONDERFUL JOB. I can’t imagine the amount of thought and hours that went into this. Thank you so very much for doing what I always wanted someone to do...line up a bunch of dif units and switch between them w the same material. So freakin simple in idea...SO complicated and consuming to actually execute. THANK YOU and congrats on a job WELL DONE.
Really well done! We live in a golden age of clones. The first mix demonstrations were so useful.... and awesome mixes on top of that. Very functional demo of all these. Glad I copped the Klarks and didn’t spend way more money on an original..
Hey, thanks so much for the kind words! Glad you’ve got some KTs, they’re so good for the money. Thanks again for taking the time to comment and watching our vids, much appreciated 😎
A Huge Thanks to you, my guy! That kind of comparison was extremely, very much appreciated! My favorite was the KT-76. And for plug ins, I was impressed with the MC-76.
For me the silverface and the purple audio. Slate sounds least to my ears. Thank you for this great one!
Best compressor review I've ever heard. Thanks for this great resource!
We are glad you enjoyed it! We are going to keep the great videos coming!
Legendary shootout. Thanks ever so much for doing this!
I know this is an old video, but, EXCELLENT INTRO :D
I had been looking for an 1176 for months but after this video I was convinced to buy the Klark Teknik 76-kt. It really sounded as good as the far more expensive units.
Great video! Thank you.
Thanks for watching! We loved the KT too
Thank you for your Great ShootOUt !! Love how Upfront the MC76 sounds !
Urei and specially UA Classic killed it imo.
love that intro!!!! the saints are marchin' in 🙂
Great vid- can't imagine all the work that went into make those 40 minutes!
If I remember correctly, it was around 2 weeks of production. Thank you for watching our videos, we appreciate it!
This video is a blessing. What a true privilege to have access to content like this. Thank you so very much!
Best shootout video in all of the internet! Thank You!
Not even Universal Audio can replicate they own hardware!!! That silver face is awesome. I think the purple one the closest.
Agreed - the reissue sounds dull.
Seems like, if you want the hardware it's really hard not to take a look at the Klark Teknik. Especially on snare or vocals. Great job guys!
They’re great for the price range. They do lack a little of the transient quality of their expensive counterparts, but they definitely do the job!
it seems the KTs don't have quite the same exact parameters for attack speed as the higher priced boys. It seems like its just not able to go quite as fast
Owen Murphy The attack time is variable from 20-800 microseconds, so on paper it certainly stacks up, but it does sound slightly behind the original units on grabbing those transients.
Excellent shoutout! Silverface as some character, I never thought the Purple Audio could be that gritty when pushed to the limits. And putting the price aside, the KT is an excellent one I really liked it on the snare with a very good overall frequency balance. Can't wait for the LA2A shoutout. thanks
Thanks for watching and for taking the time to comment. LA2A coming soon... the vintage original is broken, so just trying to get that sorted. Damn analogue gear! 😝
@@PresentDayProduction Those are capricious. Keep up the good work. Love your videos
Very well done comparison. Most people will find a way to mess it up. You obviously spent a lot of time trying to get it right. Well done!
Thank you Jeff!
awesome video I always wondered how the Purple Audio sounded. I ended up getting a Black Lion Audio Bluey... never been happier.
I don't know if anyone brought this up or not, but you can bypass the compression on the Slate 76 by shift-clicking the Attack button.
Yep - I should have read the manual! You can bypass the KT unit by not having any ratio buttons pushed in as well. You can’t get the staff...
immaculate job mate! my only wish was for revision F and A to be added in the shootout. can't wait for more reviews! Subscribed!
Thanks Nate! We’ve got some more interesting shootouts coming up, so thanks for subscribing!
No denying the Klark is really good. Considering how expensive the vintage units have gotten I’ll gladly take the KT76
Really appreciate your time guys! Amazing video!
Hey 🌞
The waffling is the only reason I come to watch ♥️. Pls keep doing this videos it is so much knowledge for us who are really digging into this with a jounger age.
The value of this content is incredible 🌿🙏🏻
Cheers form Germany
After listening to these comparisons, i think im going to try the Klark Teknik. Its the only one i can afford. Lol. But it sounds really good, as long as u dont get a defective product. From all the reviews ive seen on any of the Klark Teknik products they are hit or miss due to bad quality control, but im willing to take the risk. They sound fantastic when its a properly functioning unit.
PHWOAR! Probably the best comparison video we've ever seen. There's a reason we get Mark to master our tracks... All the gear, and all the ideas!
I was expecting based on other videos that the KT-76 would be an obvious loser. But actually I preferred it to most except for the silverface...which is incredible.
Yep, agreed. The bass especially showed this off.
KT 76 was great. I'd probably get the Hairball Audio for psychological reasons that its handmade even though it may not necessarily sound better
that's what i thought! silverface was gorgeous but kt76 was 85% as good
the low end is really good, but it has some not so pretty artifacts up above. It's a helluva unit for the price but how it sounds is what will cost you if you don't really listen.
Is it me or did the Slate comp sound terrible on many of these examples? I listened to this on a tv with a decent soundbar first then checked it on my KRKs. I don't mean to slam on Slate--I have never tried their plugins. Overall very interesting shoot-out I'm really liking PresentDayProductions! Keep up the good work!
I agree, it's a terrible emu, but I think it actually has its own really nice sound
Their version of the SSL G Bus comp
Is actually pretty damn good
I’m a die hard UAD guy here too.
Maybe they shouldn't have used the Slate's Monster for this, but their actual 1176 emulation. Slate might have taken their freedom with the Monster, deviating more from a faithful emulation than they might otherwise have done.
Especially on the lead vocal (all-in mode is the worst)
Yeah odd, the first thing I thought to comment on is ‘what’s up with Slate?’, then saw this comment immediately at the top…
…maybe he dialed the exact settings between clones when Slate is setup differently for some reason…? (Sounded ‘whack’ in a bad way, but volume sometimes was off as well as tonality).
& To be fair, I’ve never tried Slate plugins either.
My personal all around favourite is the purple audio. Not only is it relatively affordable, it sounds great, distorts properly amd musically, and is easily available compares to the original units. Would be my go to for high end analog 1176 sounds. If I could find a pair though, the Rev D were to die for as a great all around choice
Great video)))
Maybe LA 2A next))
The Purple Audio shines in high mid stuff like vocals and guitars. The Hairball was the most balanced with the Urei D version. The Urei H was the most mojo of them all. KT was quite tasteless, but surprisingly it felt better than the UA. The Waves distortion was nice in parts but was lacking high end definition. The Slate was just not good.
In the mix comparison I had a liking for the Hairball over all the others for some reason I couldn't quite put my finger on. Then on the isolated track with the gain all the way up I figured it out; the ratio of coloration seems to be perfect for my preferences compared to the others. Except for bass, I liked the purple best. Very interesting differences overall. Great work guys!
Glad I clicked. Top notch video here .. subbing!
Thank you!
This review has been outstanding. Thank you so much!
Thank you, Roger! Glad you enjoyed it. Please share it with any like-minded friends! Thanks again 😎
Thanks for taking on the Herculean task of doing this shoot out. It should've gotten about 10 times the views. Interesting how different the various revisions reacted to each instrument. Obviously, it would be nice to have a silverface (was offered by a friend to buy one at the going rate, but declined), but for overall compression tasks, I was happy with the UA reissue - it retained a nice amount of headroom in all tests.
Ehm, why you only have 12+K followers? This channel is so underrated. Seen a few vids already, and they are great, PS the Purple Audio is my favorite limiter. It is dirtier than the others, the plugin, because, because the hardware is too expensive.
We’re growing thanks to our subscribers! We had 3,000 subs 2 weeks ago so it’s growing, thanks for subscribing!
I have 4 v.H 76s and a same vintage stereo 78. I purchased all five units for $800 from two sources. The 76s are nicely consistent, sound great with zero effort. They are so-so reliable, but a breeze to maintain on my own. To me, they are for vocal and guitar, period, where they are truly magic. Drums and bass love the LA-4 and 5, almost laughable how perfect they sound on kick and snare with 5 seconds of setup. They are becoming so valuable I will probably sell them as I now work strictly in the box. I will miss them for sure. They are the first things visitors see, such is their rep. That is very valuable, but not $16K valuable to me. Some buyer will treasure them, perfectly restored as they are.
how the UA 1176 LN is so renowned remains a mistery
That thing stank to high heaven. Only the slate plugin sounded worse. Maybe.
But, it costs a lot, so it's "good".
@@MaggieKeizai probably it's just the UA brand heritage that brings the people think to buy something good. But here the differences are pretty remarkable. I don't think it is acceptable for a vintage hardware replica don't produce almost any kind of distortion, peculiar of the original units. There's definitely something wrong
@@gianlorenzo.mungiovino exactly. It sounds totally dead and lifeless, but it's a UA and it's expensive, so people tell themselves it's good.
HA! Best thumbnail EVER!!
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Amazing review. All reviews need to be done like this. Brilliant.
fantastic video, went above and beyond with the amount of gear + found myself wanting to listen to the history and not skip ahead to the shootout. instant subscribe, cheers!
I am SO happy that I have found your channel.
Amazing videos, even better personalities from you guys!
A true gem on youtube. - Thank you!
Best Regards Thomas
Thomas Pedersen That’s very kind of you, thank you Thomas!
Brilliant video !!!
The Intros are so Amazing by you guys , the only channel where i love the intro´s
It's crazy just how good the Klark-Teknik sounds! Is it the best of them all? It doesn't even matter: for 300$, that thing's a steal!!!
it sounds super neutral, not 1176 ish?
@@leonard.c Certainly not like a Rev A, as those are very colored being that they are the only version with a FET gain stage. V impressed by how close the KT sounds for a quarter or fifth the cost of the more reasonable priced modern clones (though the Purple Audio does includes a SC input and front panel link control).
The KT doesn't have the off mode to work solely as a preamp. Other than that its great. It still has the super fast attack of the original, and while some say its too transparent that makes it ideal to sit between a mic pre and DAW input as a limiter to prevent clipping your inputs.
@@alunmauve yes it does, all buttons off!
This channel really is wonderful, cool people just talking about audio stuff. Laid back
Amazing video. Thank you so much!
I really appreciate these comparison videos. Very thorough and well produced. Thank you.
Thanks Matt!
AMAZING Video btw. 1 fun addition to consider for future videos, at the end include the whole mix and flip between the different mixes using each compressor across each track. Much like preamp demos, you really hear the bigger effect when you hear the entire mix with everything tracked and stacked up working together. One might have a nice mid-range clarity in solo, but cumulatively across the mix it could create an unwanted mid bump across the whole mix. Edit, after listening some more you can hear that the hairball has a bit more low mid push and different level of color/distortion, so I would love to hear hairball across all tracks vs the KT to see if the mix is more muddy or just adding subtle thickness.
Oh, the irony of the wah-inventor working on the LN rev , when wah circuits are the noisiest of the noisy with the mostly-naked inductor coil attracting any and every stray EM signal in the room!
The Silverface, the Hairball and the Klark added something really nice to the low end in the full mix, love it! Will defintely get 2 or 3 of the Klarks now :D
Awesome video! Congrats!
I'm not one for gushing comments, but this is a really fantastic video. Wonderful information and background, Incredible musicians, proper engeneering and a very effective test. You're a fantastic presenter and the editing and the general video production is excellent. Love it!
Thanks so much for the kind words, that really means a lot. Glad you enjoyed the vid! LA2A shootout coming real soon! Thanks again ❤️
Amazing quality! Thanks for the video!
Glad you enjoyed it! We’ll keep em coming!
Just got the Klark for $240. It is stunning.
you folks are awesome! thanks for doing these great videos!
Well played one and all 👏🏻 Loving all of the execution in this video. Please make more!
I have a Hairball DIY 1176 which I love, but I have to say that Klark Teknik sounds very much like it (almost identical with maybe a tiny bit less bottom end). I'm pleasantly surprised.
Dude! that intro mate 😂😂😂 it's great to see someone whack like i am. 🤣 You really made my day. 🙌😃
Just discovered your channel: love it! Super good shootouts, super level matching, realistic settings. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for watching, welcome on board!
Stellar work here! Super professional in all aspects, history intro, almost perfect level matching, pro musicians' quality, file download...thanks a lot for the hard work and hope you reach hundreds of thousands of subscribers by next year! Def deserved
It’s great to hear such awesome feedback and it’s very encouraging, it makes us really enjoy doing what we do! Thank you for your comment and we’ll keep the good stuff coming!
Excellent 😊
Urei Blackface Rev D took them all for me.
Fantastic video thanks
Impressive comparison. I would also choose different unit for different instrument.
was already excited about hearing all these 1176s and then you went and got some of Mamas Gun playing! Love it
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it
Fantastic comparison. Thank for you going through the barmy effort to put together such a video. All I can afford's the KT, but I'll say that you can bypass the compression on the KT by only lightly pressing one of the ratio buttons, switching them all off. The Rev H has a lovely attack on the snare.
Thanks for the kind words Harvey! Yeah, a few people have pointed that out with the KT... I should have read the manual... what an amateur! 😎
@@PresentDayProduction I should've checked the comments sorry!
Harvey Rothman Haha, no worries! Glad you enjoyed the video, thanks for watching!
I can’t find anything about bypassing the 76-KT in the manual? I’ll try what you suggested
Hi PresentDayProduction, grettings from Kent Uk ,I never commented in someone's video but this is my first comment on your youtube channel .which you should be proud of making me to say that I really love your videos ,You have great information regarding these analog hardware's history and the way they works, which is amazing, I subscribed to your channel and bell icon Is on so always waiting for your next videos ,you are on right track building great infomative youtube channel ,Keep up the good work my friend.
Thank you Andrea, we’re glad to have encouraged you to comment! Thanks for watching and enjoying our videos, there are many more on our channel and we’re always working on interesting new videos. More coming soon!
83rd level of CGI. Love it)
This is really really good! Thank you so much! We need more like this on TH-cam
Thank you for the feedback! Glad you enjoyed it - we’ve got lots more in the pipeline! Check out our Pultec EQ shootout as well if you haven’t already done so x
Its amazing how different they sound between cheap and expensive. To my ears, the UREI , UA LN and Purple versions are the best.
Absolutely quality content.
I ran my Softube VC76 through all the raw files then compared them to the other 1176's and to my surprise it really held its own sounding like the Rev D and hairball and silver face depending on how you set things. I was hoping to buy an 1176 clone but now I might just stick with the plugin
That's giving me some hope for plugins. The CLA76 and the Slate were really behind in this comparison. It's good to hear some developers are actually caring. :)
People gush about UAD so much, but I feel like Softube is one of the best plugin DSP designers out there. I am uninformed and totally guessing, but I'm guessing Softube helps develop plugins for other companies as well since they have the resources and skills.
Great job, guys!
Fantastic demo!
The low end and over all loudness was quite less in the plugins, compared to the hardware. Is it possible to bring the sound and perceived loudness of the plugin sound equal to the hardware by adding in the low end, using analog eqs in the the mixing and mastering stage and saturation to increase the loudness of the instrument ?
This is probably one of the best channels on TH-cam. Thank you many times over for doing this one. Without reading any comments first to avoid bias, here are my thoughts:
The slate plugin sounded the worst in every comparison to my ears. It actually made material sound quieter when level matched against the dry signal. Yikes. All buttons is abysmal on it.
The waves plugin was a bit better, but sadly not better than any hardware from any instrument pass for me. I used that plugin a lot and never super loved it, but I will likely use it less now.
The rev H, D, urei reissue D all sounded wonderful and most similar in most tests. To me, one of these won out in every test.
The hairball, purple, and klarks all took turns being the next best jn each test. For the money the Klark is very good. Especially in all buttons. I have 2 of them and have been using them a lot, but never got to properly do a comparison, so I was a bit nervous going jnto this. Feeling much better.
Thanks again!
Agree about the Slate - i'm sure I could hear it clipping on some tracks, and a nasty clip too.
very very very nice comparison! i recently bought a kt 76 however i think is possible to bypass compression stage.
To do this, i select a compression ratio and i "soft press" another ratio. In this way the original compression ratio kick out and the new isn't kicked in. I'm not a electronic engineer so i'm not sure, but i think you can bypass compression stage in this way. Normally i use this "trick" to overload input transformer and saturate sound.
Anyway, nice video and channel man! Greetings from Italy
Hi Andrea, thanks for watching! Since recording this, we found out how to bypass the compression, and you’re right, it’s done exactly like you explained. Maybe we’ll do a follow up some time!
Thanks for watching our videos. :)
Thanks for this trick! 👍
Thank you for this!
My immediate thought before reading your reply, being an electronics engineer with FCC credentials. No buttons in = no compression. Thanks for confirming that!
I'm happy I've built one Hairball. Silverface does rule on the kick, though.
Loving the Hairball! It’s a great unit
Amazing in depth video! Very interesting to hear a bit of the history of one of music's most influential compressors :) I definitely did NOT skip that bit!!
Polyv0x Thank you for watching, and taking time to comment. Glad you enjoyed it
thank you for putting in so much effort brother well done 👏
really nice vid thanks
Your videos are ACE guys thank you!
Thank you Dan! Thanks for watching!
Completely agree on the silver face; where the drums really showed it up. I preferred the black face on the guitar section though, had a pleasing thickening, but rounding off of the treble. I quite liked the purple on the snare. It almost sounded like a breakbeat sampled at low bitrate off a crunchy master on dusty old vinyl.
Fantastic content. Very useful!!
As others have mentioned thank you for all the work. An idea on these types of videos would be to add a bar of the clean signal to have a reference of the changes as well as a cleanse of palettes
After all these years 1176 is still the best..
Man I love those Rev D's personally on pretty much everything. The Silverface is noisier, but has a super cool vibe that I also really dig on the snare. The Klark Teknik sounded surprisingly good considering the price. You could literally fill an entire rack with those for the cost of one of the originals.
Hello. Just saw this video and I loved it! Thanks for it, it’s the best way to hear these things, very well done. Just one suggestion: in each cycle it would be nice to hear the dry signal also.
Nice, you can bypass the compression on the KT by depressing all ratio buttons. Thanks for the vid.
So the KT has bypass but not the All Buttons In mode?
@@Mark_Williams300why not?. Bypass is made by depressing all the buttons, and windscreen mode by pressing them. Of course it's possible.
@@borjamuro7745 How on earth are you differentiating between "pressing" and "depressing"? Surely they're the same thing.
Pressing means pushing all 4 buttons in, depressing means letting them all come out again, by slightly pushing one and they pop out
Obviously it’s impossible to pull a button, so that’s about as close as it’ll get
Wow greattt!!! Thank you