Torquemaster Plus vs Torsion - Who should CONVERT? Who should REPLACE?
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- Why do some dealer contractors HATE the Wayne Dalton Torquemaster Plus springs? Is higher cycle life enough of an advantage to convert? Is being in an garage door ecosystem worth it? We answer these questions in the video. In addition we cover some pro tips to help you determine if you should convert your Torquemaster Plus or replace it. #toquemaster #waynedalton #torsionsprings
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Torsion all day. I've always hated torquemaster with a passion mainly because homeowners Cant tell if the spring is broken, and keep running the opener until the door folds in half
Hello. This is true. It happens often. Thus it's important for homeowners to understand their garage door needs and circumstance. If they care to know then it's best they reach out to a contractor. Thanks for the feedback.
Once again you guys have come through for me and my family. Not only did my right spring come in 3 days as promised (Augusta, Ga) but your perfect video is spot on. I've been dealing with y'all since 2013 and can only brag on you. Great service! Again, thank you.
John Lifsey...Martinez, Georgia (suburb of Augusta).
Hello! So glad to hear that! Thank you for sharing your great story!
Had torque master on my door. No warning just broke. Replaced with torsion springs. Guy said I was lucky they lasted as long as they did.
I agree that some contractors may install the wrong torsion spring in a conversion, but the right one will double the lifespan over the torquemaster. I've installed plenty of new Wayne Dalton doors and would never recommend the torquemaster in any circumstance, and it's not because i'm afraid of something new, it's because they brake every 6-8 yrs!
You, sir are 100% correct.
How often do torsions break? As i understand it the wayne dalton ones are far safer. So i can replace them myself. Which even if i had to replace them 3x as often, its more economic.
Edit: I successfully replaced it myself. 80 bucks. I don't care if it breaks every 2 years. It's cheaper not to have to pay someone
My Torguemaster has been working for 20 years....lucky I guess
Good video. Personally I prefer torsion spring, but torquemaster does have some advantages
I don't think I could top this video my friend. Excellent job 👏
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Thanks for this video! My garage door opener died after 18 years and I want to replace it with a wall mount. I'm deciding between buying or making a wall mount conversation kit or replacing the torquemaster.
Thanks to you, I'm switching to torsion.
Hello! I'm so glad the video was helpful for your needs. Y'all stay safe!
You are an amazing speaker and host.
I appreciate your feedback!
Great video, I wish I would of watched it earlier. I'm removing a Torquemaster plus with an Idrive operner because it's getting old and I wanted to replace on my schedule and not when it broke. I researched the weight of my Wanye Dalton door using Google because I did'nt want to unwind the springs to weigh the door. I ordered a 16x7 door EZ set Clopay conversion kit with the lowest spring rate for a double door, and that's where my problems started. If I wound the spring per the instuctions the door would open up about a foot by it's self, if I set the winding to when the door just lifted, when you open the door the cables unwound....that was fun to lower back down. I weighed the WD door and it was around 135 lbs and my springs were for 190lbs. I had to order a 133 to 155 spring for a 8X7 door... Thanks again, new subsciber
Hello. Could you perhaps email me a picture of your garage door? You can also DM me thru FB or IG. I would like to look at your garage door from the inside of the garage door please.
Just an FYI, torquemaster was designed to work with the Wayne Dalton IDrive GArage Door Opener, not Genie. Other than that you’re right on.
Hello Jason! You are correct! RIP iDrive.
Garage door repair guy told me spring is not available for v torque master and wanted me to upgrade to torsion springs.
Came here to check if I was guided properly
Hello. I'm glad you did. Honestly you can go with a torsion spring system on any door but it's not as easy to go with the torque Master system on every door. Thus you want to make sure you know what type of door you have, specifically if it's a Wayne Dalton 9100 model Garage door.
@@sosgds he already changed it, couldn’t find door model. All I see was safety warning labels.
its been 10 years since we bought our house and the spring didnt break yet on our door. Surprised that it didnt break yet after 10 years
That's great to hear!
I've been in the garage door industry for over 40 years. Go with the torsion spring system if you have the headroom. You won't be disappointed. In my honest opinion and in my experience, WD Torque-master is the biggest piece of garbage in the door industry, with its undersized cables to the cheap plastic gears and drums. Expecting a piece or two of wire four foot long with a one inch diameter with the wire gauge not much bigger than a coat hanger with almost 16-17 turns to last more than 10 years is ridiculous. The other spring system I believe is a total waste is the Clopay easy-set torsion spring system. A crazy amount of extra steps to counter balance a door with another proprietary spring. I do like the easy-set extension spring system, though.
For a time I also felt the same way about the Wayne Dalton product. But I respect Wayne Dalton's mentality behind the Torquemaster Plus spring system to work as an ecosystem with their 9100 model door. I agree that they are not the best systems in the industry. But they do offer a nice value proposition for someone who simply wants an entry level insulated garage door with a end-user safe spring mechanism.
I always tell my customers, "You get what you pay for"
Pay a bit more but get a better, more reliable product.
My 9100 door with torquemaster has been working for 20 years, Thanks for your video, very informative@@sosgds
@@pj361 Thank you for sharing your experience!
Good points. My 2 cents. Torquemaster is just a cheaper counter balance to make. And Wayne Dalton offers this set up with all there models. Wayne Dalton has made this proprietary. Your forced to buy a Wayne Dalton spring from them. Same with Clopay and Amarr with there box store set up.
The problem with torquemaster is. (1) 2 trips are required to know what balance you need. (2) you can't control the cycle life of the spring(s). (3) Wayne Dalton only sells Gen 2 springs.
(4) If the door opens a locking device is activated preventing the door from closing. (5) you have to wait forever to receive the springs. (6) You can be stuck with the same company, because no one else works on it. (7) This adds up to be very expensive. over and over.
Hello Andrew! Thank you for this fantastic feedback. You bring up great points. I believe some of what you mention could also apply to torsion springs, especially if the customer passes on high cycle springs. A pair of 192 or 207 just won't give you many miles. Higher cycle springs should be offered as a better value proposition. Of course some dealer installers will take advantage and price gouge for higher cycle springs.
The reality is our industry greatly needs an update to spring technology. The current spring shortage is a clear example of that need. I know there's no easy answer, but I don't seen efforts from the manufactures to think outside the box.
Torque master is the way to go. I have one, spring broke after 4 years. Replaced it myself in under 2 hours and that was ny first time doing it.
Regular spring change is like 30 min man
Like i said… first time, by myself with no ladders and no garage door experience. Go for it superman, keep doing your 30 minute spring changes. I don’t really give a shit.
Yeah torque master is home owner stuff imo. Traditional torsion springs can be clamped if they break so you can continue to operate your door without damaging anything while you wait for the new spring to come in unlike torque master where you don’t even realize if a spring breaks and possibly damage your door to find out when you hit your wall control button.
My opinion as someone with experience with both. Different strokes.
Garbage systems, but if you're cool with the half life, it's fine. And I really mean that, not being snarky.
I have a crappy Dalton I-Drive that stopped working over 13 years ago. I think it worked for about five years. My decision to buy an I-Drive was one of the worse decisions I made.
Wow! Yes and those idrives were notorious for their faulty logic boards and poor design implementation. Yet the idea behind them was groundbreaking.
Thanks for sharing your feedback!
My spring just broke. Our home was built 5 years ago and I’ve reached out for a couple quotes and everyone wants to convert me over to a spring and I’m having a hard time deciding. I’ve been told the torquemaster is diy and while I can’t do it now I could maybe do it later and if I switch to a torsion spring I have to hire it out. I take kids to and from school so I use it at least 4 times a day and thought I’d get more than 5 years but I’m struggling to pull the trigger and convert.
I found the tolerances to large. My left side spring kept tripping and flipping over at 10 turns. So my 440 lbs door weights to much for the spring.
Hello. Yes I could completely agree. I would stay with high cycle torsion springs.
Thank you!!!
You're welcome!
I was told the Wayne dalton tube is not availkable anymore as it was bought by Genie.
Hello. No, that is not true. Genie and Wayne Dalton are all under the Overhead Door Corp.
@@sosgds Thank You
I had to replace my Wayne Dalton door a few years ago. Now my torquemaster is not functioning. I dont anticipate getting a Wayne Dalton garage door again. I would probably buy a replacement door from a local subcontractor, Costco, or Home Depot. From this video, it seems I should just convert to Torsion. I would appreciate any feedback. .
Hello. Great question. What model of the Wayne Dalton garage door do you own?
@@sosgds Hello. Th door itself is no longer Wayne Dalton. That door had broken. I replaced it with an older/ used door. This one is heavier than the Wayne Dalton I used to have.
Interesting.
What type of springs do you have on this new door?
@sosgds The Torquemaster. Not sure exactly what model. Sticker says TM1. I left the original Torquemaster when I replaced thr door.
@@sombraobscura1 fascinating! In this case I would highly recommend converting to a torsion spring system. Of course I would like to encourage you to get as much information on the garage door so they can install the right spring.
I am building a new home and the builder is using the torque master plus system on their builds. Is this compatible with the side mount garage door openers?
Great question!
There is an adapter that you can apply to a Wayne Dalton Torquemaster Springs that will allow for a wall mount installation.
Good to watch this video. I am in Canada, and my torquemaster plus spring just broken today. I contacted some contractors and they all asked me to convert to torsion. I am still deciding. I am also interested in replacing by myself. What do you recommond? Thanks
Great question. What can you tell me about your garage door?
When it comes to this spring system, I believe it works best on the Wayne Dalton 9100 model door.
@@sosgds It's a single garage door, I believe it's 9100 model. I decided to order a new spring and replace bymyself. I am waiting for the shipment and may pick up next week. Hope I can replace it by myself
@@bo3186 Have the confidence that you can do it!
@@sosgds thank you for your encouragement. I am still waiting for the shippment of the spring. I have to assist the opener to open and close the garage door everytime. Do you think this will cause any damages to the opener?
Yes it can. I would refrain from operating the garage door opener with a broken spring.
So my Wayne Dalton Torquemaster Original (2004) has what I assume is a broken spring. The cables on both sides are slack and even after disengaging the manual lever overhead the door is almost impossible to lift. The door is 9x7 and 75 lbs. I was thinking of upgrading it to the Torquemaster Plus or should I just convert to a torsion spring?
Hello! I believe you are at a crossroad. The new Torquemaster plus will be easier to find online thru Amazon, etc. Yet if you are in a state that will allow you to purchase parts to convert to torsion springs; that might be a better long term route. A high cycle torsion springs can offer a longer cycle life. Thus if you plan on staying forever at your current property then converting the springs would be a good choice. If you don't plan on staying at the property for a long time, stick with Torquemaster.
I used to have Chamberlain brand on my old house and swore by it but my current house had a genie/torque master installed and I don’t like their products.
My question ?? I have a torquemaster set up, but I want to install a wall mount garage door opener; is it possible or do I need to have a torsion spring ?
Great question. You can use a Torquemaster Plus adapter for a Genie wall mount opener.
@@sosgds do you have a video for this, and if not would you consider doing one? Thank you for what you do!
I will try. I can find a customer willing enough to make the expense.
can a wall mounted garage door opener be installed on a wayne dalton plus spring?
Hello. Yes it can, but it will require an adapter. You can DM me if you want further details.
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can torque master systems be easily balanced like a torsion spring systems? I noticed my door was not balanced when I had to manually open it the other day.
Hello. Yes you can adjust tension to Torquemaster springs. The newer style Torquemaster can be adjusted with a 5/8 socket wrench.
I’m looking to convert my ceiling garage door opener to an wall mount drive system, are they compatible with Wayne dalton tension systems and if so which drive system would you recommend?
Nope. These systems are garbage. Convert then get the nice wall mount Liftmaster.
Hello friend, what are the principal garage door suppliers you can recommend on Texas?
Hello Friend! Yes, what area of Texas are you located? Houston? Dallas?
@@sosgds Houston, thank you
The torque master and 9100 are at their best 100% trash. I convert the springs on homes less that 5 years old all the time. And have to replace panels that are ripped all thing time. The door is made out of foam.
Correct! It's a polyurethane foam compacted door. And it's not the best garage door yet it offers a better R-Value than a non insulated garage door.
What are your favorite types or brands of garage doors?
@@sosgds Haas and CHI
The moment one of these crap systems break, I'm getting the real deal. Tiny springs, plastic parts, garbage.
But new home developers love them because they are cheaper and quicker to install by about 30 minutes.
Builder doors get a bad rep for sure.
Who should convert? 100% of people owning it...
It's not for everyone but I do they are prime for the WD 9100 model.