Common Mistakes Determining Garage Door Torsion Springs Size
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- There are a number of mistakes that can happen if you're not sure what type of torsion springs your garage door needs. This video will cover 3 common mistakes that are made when determining your next garage door torsion spring configuration. At the same rate it will provide some Pro-Tip to avoid and mitigate these mistakes for your next garage door spring repair replacement.
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I don't know jack for garage doors as I'm researching to replace my spring with an alternative, and after 12seconds I figured .250x32! Still a little off yet think I'm learning a lot! Bless this man and him sharing his knowledge!!
This was extremely informative. There are probably a lot of guys, just like me, here not willing to pay the local shop +$800 to replace a broken torsion spring, but are also know if they're going to do it themselves, you've got to get it right. I greatly appreciate the existence of this video. Liked and sub'd.
Agreed Oil tempered for sure . Galvanized just loses its tension too quickly
Thank you very much for the video mon torsion springs.I did not know about all the different springs.The reason i watched this today is because one of my springs broke today.It is a overhead door that was installed 13 years ago.Guess is was due to break.Will be calling overhead door tomorrow.Thanks again for the valuable info and excellent video.
Hello Wayne! I'm glad the video was help for your needs. Than you for the feedback!
Great tips.
As a garage door tech I've gotten in the habit of when working on garage doors I'll put a tag on the spring mount that identifies what the springs are and when they where installed. This saves both me and the customer time and gives a better understanding on how long the springs last.
The problem I have is that the door was 18'x8' clopay and weighed 269 lbs, I reduced it to 10'x8' with 166 lbs. the previous springs do not work they were very old and too big for this door, I appreciate all your help
I see. Were you able to reach out to Clopay? Did they provide you any information on the modifications you did to the door? If the door is true 10 by 8 at 166 in weight a pair of .218 1.75 by 29"s should work.
So my spring has red paint on the spring so I think I now know which spring to order. My door (1974) has only one spring on the left side and i think by getting two springs, left and right will help keep the door more balanced? Hopefully the pair can be bought in oil tempered? My new 3/4 hp opener should work perfectly after new springs are installed!
Love it.
Yesterday I got to change a door because a customer had 2 218x2x27 he didn't know it was 218 he thought he was only concerned about length so he got 2 262x2x27 hahaha he did it the door flew up he couldn't get the door down so he engaged it to the opener. And overrides the downforce through the wallswitch. He tore the top panel up . It was great for me for him not so much.
Hey Cody! I just saw this. Wow. Poor guy. But yes this happens all too often. Did you have to replace a whole new door or just the top section?
@@sosgds New door! I should pay wow ever sold him the springs a referral bonus! Lol
😂😂😂 ... I don't think those guys deserve it.
Great information, thank you!
Love all your videos. Ended up buying 2 Wayne dalton 8000’s today at lowes. They looked a little cheap so I might return and get the insulated 8300 or 8500 if available. My question to you is instead of using the torque master spring system can I delete that and just use the old school extension springs not a torsion system? I will be installing new genie openers too.
Hello. Thank you for the question. You can definitely put extension springs on the Wayne Dalton 8000 model garage door. But the heavy polyurethane insulated 8300 and 8500 would need torsion springs. The 8000 model door is definitely an entry level door. And even though it's their cheapest door they don't last as long as an insulated garage door.
good information , thanks
Man you're the smartest person on youtube in regards to garage door. I am currently having issues obtaining a replacement torsion spring 225x2x28 size. I have the exact door in your video but its a 7 ft high door non insulated with a buttom strut. What other spring size can I use as a replacement
Hello. Thank you for your kind words but I assure you, I'm nobody. I just want to do my best to help with the gifts I've been given.
Thus, to answer your question, it's possible you can find a pair of 225 wire by 1 3/4" diameter by 31 to 33" length. You could get higher cycle lift with a 234 wire by 1 3/4" by 38" long. But that spring might not be as easily accessible. Hope this helps!
@@sosgds thank you, I will look around and see whats available
Hi great video and explanation. Thank you!
I had a question-my current broken spring is a single side Gold 0.25 x 2 x 29. Garage door is estimated 150lbs.
Can I upgrade to two springs and what size would you suggest?
Hello! Yes indeed. You can use a pair of .207 by 1 3/4" by 25 garage door springs. Hope this helps.
I have a side lift wall mount opener and they put springs 26 and 30 x 225. not problems but had first spring fail on the 26" and wondering if that is common to have different springs on the door.. I have 4 more doors to watch out for breaking now after this one.
Thanks
Wayne
Hello. Not usually. But I would have chosen a pair 225 by 30 long springs. It also depends on the type of door you have. Additionally, if you have a high lift track assembly then they would have also gone with a mixed configuration. There are several variables to account for.
VERY INFORMATIVE AND WELL PRESEN
Thank you kindly!
Great video!
This I a Perfect VIdeo. I enjoyed it. I have two 8x7 garage doors that I want to Convert into One DOuble 17x7 I already measured the span. One option Im thinking about is to Build A Garage door out of 2x4s Im wondering if I do that and the total Weight is 400 lbs what Torsion spring setup would you recommend.
That's a big task but attainable. Springs for a 400 lbs door will be based on drums and track assembly. I don't care for heavy doors. But if your goal is have an insulated door with high R value, then you want at least a 250 or 262 wire. As for the length you need more information on the door configuration.
I'm having to replace a spring on a 9ft wide insulated door. Spring had the yellow paint on it. No info on the spring or door so by measuring i came up with a 207 x 20" x 2". I hope it works it should be here by Friday.
Really good spoke person, and presented with clarity and concise knowledge. Thanks for the information.
Hello! Thank you for your feedback!
Great video and so so helpful in many ways. I had one 250-2-32 tortion spring break. I am now going to replace both I have easy access to a pair of 250-2-33. do you think that extra inch from 32 to 33 will matter?
Hello. No the inch difference should not matter too much.
Is your door insulated? Is it 7x16? I live in FL and I have the added hurricane bars, whatever they are called, I think that adds a lot more weight. If your door is not insulated, no windows and is 7x16 can you please let me know?
Hi, what happens when a garage door spring breaks? Does the garage door come crashing down? Thanks for answering. Best regards, Nancy
Hello. I like how informative you are! I had someone install a new garage door opener and told me i need to go up a size on my springs. He said i have 1 3/4" and need to go up to 2. My garage is 16x7' with Styrofoam insulation. No windows. 2 springs. What size would be good for this door?
Hello! Thank you for your question. For that type of garage door I usually apply a pair of .225 1.75 by 33 torsion springs.
Thanks.
Great informative video Santiago! I have a 7' x 16' stanley wooden garage door with a pair of .25 x 1.75 x 39" galvanized springs. They're a bit old and seem to be losing strength so I had bumped them up to 30 winds from 28. However, it is no longer correctly balanced as it takes a lot of force to close the door when it is fully open. Shall I just replace with same springs or do you recommend something different? Thanks in advance!!
Hello. Just to be sure I am understanding you, ... you have a 16 by 7 wood door that has a pair of .250 by 1.75 by 39 long springs?
@@sosgds yes correct
Hey Santiago, thank you for such a great and informative video. I have a Martin RA 16'-2 X 7'0 NON insulated door which had .218-2-25 dual springs. I ordered the same from a distributor but was sent (2) .234-2-36. When I try to install the left side of my garage door lifts up about 1". Can I assume that those springs are too strong/large for my garage door? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Sorry I forgot to add that the top panel of the garage door has windows. I'm sure that makes a difference.
Hello Nick. Thanks for the question. So based on the configuration you mentioned the pair of .234 2" 36" long should balance that door nicely. Now, some factors that could affect the balance of your door is the radius of your track assembly. If you have a 10" radius track or 3.5" low head track then it would bit a strong for your garage door.
It also important to make sure your garage door is leveled. If one side of the door is lifting higher than then is possible you floor might be unleveled. And lastly, ensure your cables are not frayed and thus properly wrapped around the drum. This could also be a factor is the 1" lift that you are describing. Hope this helps.
A great primer on this topic. Is there a chart available which explains which type of door would need what size spring. Thanks.
I'm working on it!
Good post keep them coming.
You didn't elaborate on why you like the "oil" springs. But there was a comment 6 months ago about galvanized loosing tension early. So can I assume oil tempered will last longer? Are they the "higher cycle" spring recommended by others? Thanks for the wisdom.
Hello. Oil tempered springs lose their tension over time also. Galvanized spring are treated for hotter conditions. Oil tempered springs are treated for humid conditions. What you want to accomplish is a properly balanced door. If you know the weight of your garage door, the drum size, and track configuration, then you can get a high cycle spring that will properly balance your door.
I haven't read the comments so I don't know if this has been addressed already My spring ruler has an edge on it and you snap it between a pair of coils on the spring so you don't have to hold it up at all just snaps in there and then you count 20 of course. If there's a pair springs then always measure the broken spring if you measure the spring is still attention on it that's spring's going to be longer because of the attention and you'll get an inaccurate measurement but you already know that. But then also any garage door guy worth his salt should just know offhand what size door takes what size spring. Unless you're dealing with custom wood doors. And even then. I really like this video I did enjoy it and I'm going to subscribe to you for more I think you're doing a good thing. Don't forget to mention to any homeowners out there trying to do this by yourself. If you play with torsion springs and the cables attached You will lose whatever part of your body gets hit by that cable if one of them comes loose so be careful. You can and will get hurt. I've seen it too many times. Some homeowner with a pair of long screwdrivers trying to wind his springs or trying to pop off that cable on a crooked door he finally gets that cable off or the bottom bracket on and it shoots straight up at Mach 2 speeds and it smacks him in the face and rips half his face off or hits him in the eye he loses his eye seen it too many times.. torsion springs are no joke I happen to live in California and I'm a firm supporter of not selling them to the general public.
Hello! Thank you for the great feedback. These are some great points. Stay safe out there.
@@sosgdsNo problem and thank you for the good service you're providing right now
I have a single torsion spring and it lasted 8 yrs 10 months. It snapped while closed and not in use. We heard a loud bang as though something hit the house and we discovered the garage door would not go up. Do I need to upgrade my spring?
This is a great video. Quick question. Does the color of the ends matter if I have the right size? My existing (broken) spring has the size stenciled, and the ends are green. I found the right size, but in brown. Does it matter? The stenciled size reads .243 x 2 x 28. Thanks
Great question. You want to stay with the Green color springs. This is the 243 wire spring. The Brown colored spring is the 234. I know that sounds confusing but in essence you will be going a size down with Brown spring.
Great. What kind of springs do u think my door needs. It’s a 9 by 7 Garaga door traditional raised panel stealback door with polyurethane insulation with insulated windows. I have had people tell me I need a pair of 207 wire and a single 243 wire which kinda confuses me since there’s so much to choose from
Yikes! Well the 207 springs would not best for an insulated door. Do you know how thick the door is? Do you know if the door has additional struts? Do you know if the manufacture of the door? What springs does the door have now?
@@sosgds it currently has extension springs and I want to convert it to torsion as I hear it’s much better. The door brand is garaga and it’s a Canadian manufacturer that they sell in MA. There’s only one strut at the top
@@bostonelevatorsaviation wow. Well if you have a 2 in thick steel back insulated door polyurethane a pair of 243 37s might work. Usually on polyurethane doors I install 243 and 250. A pair of 250 39s are common for steel back.
I have two newly installed .207 tension springs newly installed. The previous springs were longer, maybe 30 inches? Door works great. Is there a concern with the two shorter 24 inch springs? Can I add insulation panels to my Dalton Door? If so, any recommendations?
Great videos. Just subscribed to your channel. Heard a crazy noise that I thought was from outside but turned out one of my torsion springs just snapped. I will see if I can find door detail and measure in the morning and possibly weigh the door. I'm certain the springs have been replaced many times by previous owners so not sure the current springs are even correct. Can you briefly explain the spring diameter vs ID vs length? Is a thicker diameter (.250 vs .218) a stronger spring for heavier doors? But what about ID and Length? How do you alter the ID and Length if wanting to upgrade to a more durable spring but keep the same spring rate?
Hello! Thank you so much for this great question. So the simple version is the thicker the diameter the shorter your spring length will be. A thicker spring diameter can offer a stronger torque. Yet this will all depend if the door weight is not too heavy. Thus you want to determine the door size, make, and weight. Now spring gauge will vary to achieve higher cycle life. So a .250 wire spring will offer a higher cycle count than a 218 wire gauge spring. Additionally, you can play with diameter and length to achieve better balance. Thus a pair of .218 gauge wire springs at 2" diameter, with a 26 inch length can convert to a pair of .250 gauge wire springs by 1 3/4" diameter by 55.25 long springs. That is a huge difference in length but potentially it can offer over 50K cycles.
@@sosgds Wow thanks for your reply! I found an online calculator that allows you to enter the spring specs and calculates the spring rate and door weight. It's very interesting to enter various numbers to see how to increase the life cycle of a spring but keep the same rate.
Thank you for your video.
I have to replace the broken spring in my garage. The broken spring was installed by the house builder and only installed one spring, which measures .243" x 2" x 28".
What size spring would you recommend for my garage door which is a simple 16' x 7' without insulation or windows.
I bought a pair of .250" x 1.75" x 33" but seems to be the the wrong size. Too much power once I adjusted with 31 quater turns on each spring.
Thanks for any future replies.
Hello. If the garage door is too strong opening then the springs are overpowered. A literal conversion of your 243 wire spring would translate to a 250 x 1.75 x 36. Do you happen to have a Wayne Dalton door?
@@sosgds
Hello,
I do have a Wayne Dalton garage door. I could not find lable in the garage that gives the information of the door. I ended up returning the springs I ordered and now I am waiting for a new set with measurements. 243" x 2" x 28". I hope these new set is the right choice. What do you think?
The Service Spring app will give you the amount of winds and cycles...really cool.
good information
Broke a torsion spring today after 22 yrs. Have a builders grade Amarr 16x7 2 car door w/ windows and insulation. Have 2 springs .207x2x20. Would like a recommendation on an up grade or equivalent pair of springs.
Hello. I think we spoke earlier. Hope the springs I suggested work out. Stay safe.
Thanks for your recommendation I will try to get the .218, these are not available by now I have to order them outside, I'm very grateful for your help, see you later my friend
My pleasure. Stay safe party person.
I can' t get the 218X1-3/4x29, dura lift co. Have 28" and 31" wich one you recommend my garage door weigh exactly 165 lbs
@@tellomalave9823 Does your garage door have windows?
You're a good educator dude.
You're too kind!
I have 23" springs on my Clopay non-insulated 16x7 garage door. The person who installed it damaged the tube (bending it out of round) by over tightening.
Is it okay to use a 25" replacement spring (.218 wire thickness and 2" ID) to avoid the damaged area of the tube??
Hello. Yes you'd be ok doing that. Torsion tubes are resilient. But if I may, I would recommend going with a .218 wire 1 3/4" diameter 29 long if your garage door has windows. If your garage door does not have windows go with a 218 1 3/4" 31 springs.
Hi, I liked your video too much which draw my attention than other videos. I am trying to understand torsion spring size vs door weight rule. Please correct me if I am wrong: In a particular case, a double door weight 293.9 lb. the 2 torsion springs installed are .250x2x32 #2 Gold RW & .234x2x28 #2 brown LW. Based on DIY site calculator, this spring pulls 260 lb only which means the springs are 34 lb. deficit from the door weight!! My understanding the springs are under size, and 1/2 HP motor under stress and expected to burn out s
very soon. Please explain if I am wright or wrong? Thanks
Hello Hazem. Thanks for the support on the channel.
So it looks like the original installer decided to go with a smaller spring to counterbalance the door weight when closing. This is perfectly normal and common. Yet the spring I would have chosen is the 243x2x28.
If you feel that your door balance is too off after making adjustments or hiring someone to make adjustments then it might make sense to stick with 2 springs of the same size. I would consider a pair of .250x1 3/4" by 36".
I have a Wayne Dalton insulated double door spring broke only had a single spring operation .250×1.75×35 is this the correct setup? Thanks
Hello! Yes, that is a common spring size on their 8500 model garage door. You should be ok going with the same size. Hope this helps.
Currently having trouble in finding torsion spring for 7 x 16 door , 255 lbs insulated garage door. Previous owner !I think has a 207x2x20. I felt this was not strong enough to hold at half open. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks
Hello. For that weight of door, the springs might be underpowered. Can you tell me if your garage door is insulated? Does it have windows?
I want to upgrade my torsion springs. I have a Wayne Dalton 9100 (4 panel - 16' wide). The "Torquemaster" system that came with the door...was replaced about 4 years ago (8 years old when it broke). It was replaced with dual torsion springs .218 wire, 1.75 ID and 26" length. Now...one spring broke after 4 years. I am not sure these were the correct springs to begin with...as it is a VERY Heavy door...but I definitely want to upgrade to a proper, more durable spring. Can you tell me what sizes you would suggest?
Hello! Wow that is strange. A pair of 218 by 1 3/4" by 26 should have worked fine. Normally I would have used a pair of 207 aby 1.75 by 33s. Yet it might be possible you have the 9600 or 9605 door which is steel back. Does you door have windows?
Question if I may (I installed, and have original tags from springs).. I have a Home Depot Clopay uninsulated 10x10, 12" radius track (2 springs first - orange 2" 0192 x 2" x 24" and 2nd yelloow .207 x 2" x 31") Door weight from Clopay is 148lbs. Looking to add approx.18-24lbs of insulation materials to the door, and not change both springs if possible. What 2" spring could I add to the yellow 31" .207 to allow the extra weight? Been trying to get information from Clopay without much luck. Thank you.
Hello. Thanks for the question. You could simply with a 207 2" 31" on the other side. But if you wanted high cycles then a .218 2" by 40 long might a spring to consider.
Thanks for such informative video. I have a question. I have the same garage door thats on your video, it came with 207x1 3/4 x 23. Can I use 225x2x27? Thank you.
Hello. So just to be 100% clear. You have a non insulated garage door with no windows? And you have that exact door it has a pair of .207 1 3/4" 23" springs?
@@sosgds hi. Yes, same door, no windows, no insulation. Thank you for responding.
@@israela8667 Excellent. So based on your comments about your specific garage door I believe the the 225 by 2 by 27 spring is two strong. I would look for a 225 by 2 by 30 or 225 by 1 3/4 by 34" long. Hope this helps.
I have an 18 x 7 foot Overhead Door brand, not sure of model or age or if original springs. The left wound spring is broken with markings, 225 x 2 x 26. The right wound spring looks like (red) 225 x 1 7/8 x 28. I weighed garage and got 101 lbs. So would I double weight to 202 lbs to get accurate weight? Also has 12 inch track radius. What 10k option and higher cycle options do you reccomend. Thanks Santiago!
Great info. What springs do you usually use for a torque master conversion?
Hello. Which model of Wayne Dalton door do you have?
Just in general. I'm a contractor also and don't convert very often and just want to know what sizes you use for the more common wayne dalton doors
@@LM-fi3dy Usually for a 9100 with no windows I use a pair of 207 1.75 33's. For a higher cycle 218 1.75 43.
We have a spring that broke and measured it to be a 250 x 2 x 30, but we are wondering if the length really matters that much? We found a 250 x 2 x 35 on Amazon for much much cheaper, as well as a 250 x 2 x 33 at Lowe's, for also cheaper. We could just wind it a turn more (or less) or so to balance it... right? Just trying to save as much $$ as possible since our fence also blew down same month and we are working on single income at the moment.
Hello! Thank you for the great question! The length won't make if it's an inch or two. But one your 3 to 5 inches, well that difference could throw off the balance. Personally I would go with the 250 x 2 x 33. But if you could find a 250 x 1 3/4" 35 that might balance out your door a little better. That's simply a suggestion. Hope this helps!
I had a job where the customer said that the opener refused to close the door, unless the closed force was maxed out. They also noticed the top panel would bend down as the opener strained to close the door. Ended up having the wrong springs. Door was a 9x8 Wayne Dalton steel back, and it had a pair of .273x2x30. I’m thought to my self, how on earth is this opener able to push this door down??? So, I weighed the door, and got the right springs for it, and now everything works perfectly
That's awesome Jason! I think Wayne Dalton is the most misconfigured door when it comes to springs.
I am educating myself on torsion spring system design by reverse engineering my never-did-work-quite-right, now 'improved' with a broken spring door. It is a 7 foot high, by 8 foot wide, steel-both-sides, insulated door with glass windows that stylishly fuse the top two panels together. The top rollers are on 'Super Sneaky' brackets and the track is a single 14" radius. Even when first installed, it was heavy and the system has always been noisy despite a belt drive opener. The garage is only 10 feet wide, so the right track is only one inch from the wall, necessitating a 'custom' mounting bracket by the installer, which has now sagged about an inch and a half (due to the short strapping and single mounting bolt improvisation). Due to the low ceiling and narrowness of the garage, the solid torsion shaft is split and joined with a cast flange keyed to the shaft, and this is off centre to accommodate the opener rail. asa result, the installer torched off about 3" of the left spring to make it fit. The springs installed were .273, 2 5/8 id, 36"R (33"L). To add a little flavour, the left fixed cone bearing plate is attached to a piece of 2x6 nailed to the garage wall with generously sized nails, which split the 2x6 giving it a 'character' wobble when the spring expands, pushing the set screws and bolts on the split-shaft flanges into interesting-sounding contact with the opener rail or the fixed cone fastening bolts. Once the right spring broke, this interference actually jams the door once it's opened about 14".
The replacement springs available to me only came with a 2" id so I bought a pair of .273, 2"id 39" springs. As I a write this I am waiting for business hours to call the rep from the torsion spring supplier to enquire about the cause (and resolution) of both of my new springs slipping on the fixed and winding cones when I get about 28 quarter turns into them.
For anyone still awake and reading, my question is this: Since I am about to rebuild this whole thing, and install components that actually work, how do I determine the specifications for the springs I need to work properly, since the ones I had (and have) aren't going to do the job?
Wow! This does seem very intricate. And it's clear that the configuration your garage requires is for a low head track assembly. I believe the door that you're describing though may not require such a Big spring. You said it first that it was an 8 ft wide door by 7 ft tall door. But then you said it was a 10 ft wide door by 7 ft tall door. Do you know the exact dimensions of the door? Perhaps you could send pictures of your door system from the inside of the garage? Feel free to email me any pictures to sosgdoservice@gmail.com.
@@sosgds , the garage inside dimensions ore 8' ceiling height and under 10' wide, wall to wall. The door, despite it's size is very hefty and even took effort to open when the original springs were intact and new.
Question. Can I put 2 .207x2x25 springs to replace a single .250x2x28 setup on a plain shell 7x16 door?
Hello. They should work but you might have to apply a turn or two for proper balance. I would suggest the 207 1 3/4 25.
@SOS Garage Doors what is the right size of torsion springs for a garage door, it is 16’ by 7’ , model T12.
Hello. Is this door insulated? Does it have windows?
Excellent one, its rear to find a video combine all tips in one place.
I need your experienced opinion on the correct torsion springs size to replace existing, they are old, I couldn't do a proper balance. Also, I found out the installed springs length are 27" which different from the one specified by Colbey:
I have 2011 house bought recently has; "Clopay garage door (Model: OD5S) 16x7' classic steel sectional (4 sections), no insulation, no windows.
At present, the galvanized springs installed 27" long! (One is red coded, the left from the garage inside) and the other has no color code.
Today, after I watched you video; I called Clopay customer services. Provided them with the door S/N to find the door weight. Found out its 330 bounds door and origin door springs size are LW .225-2-23.5 and the RW.218-2-22. Thanks
Hello. I am glad the video served as a resource for your garage door needs. Were they willing to sell you the springs? The current 27" springs you have, what wire size are they?
@@sosgdsHi, thanks for your quick response to my concern. Yesterday,weighted double garage door found Ib.190. by using the bathroom scale. Also, unwound springs and found the size written on the red and black is same .218 x 2 x 24.
May question, which size of springs I should buy, same as the installed (218 x 2 x 24) or the one specified originally by Clopay (LW .225-2-23.5 and the RW.218-2-22) or your suggestion.
Please note, from DIY site I found the following:
-P springs each pulls 101.7 lbs on 7FT Door, the two (LW& RW) pulls together total of 203.4 Ib.
- Clopay Spring LW .225-2-23.5 pulls 116.3 Ibs and RW .218-2-22 pulls 107.4 Ibs. Total Clopay sprigs pulls 223.7 Ibs.
Thanks
@@hazemqamhiyeh775 stay with Clopay if you can find them. Or go with a pair of .225 1 3/4" 30s.
Good video have question. My door is 18 x 7 wayne dalton no insulated no windows .which spring is for this one ?thanks.
Sorry is 16 x 7
Hello! You should be good with a pair of 207 by 1 3/4" by 25 or 26 long springs. If a pair is not available, then a single 250 by 1 3/4" by 33 long should also work.
According to my understanding from this video, if one decides to insulate their garage door, they have to change their torsion spring as well? how much do these foam insulations really weight to lead to changing the spring? I have two garage doors that I insulated both are 16x8 I did not replace the springs and I didn't see a difference in how the garage doors operate (7 years to date)
Hello! Thanks for the feedback. So the insulation foam pieces are not heavy in itself. In fact, each piece might seem weightless. But once applied to the garage door it does alter its composition. Any alteration or structural additions to the door sections will add to its density. Think of adding ice to a glass of water. The cubes floats and seem lite, yet the composition of the water has become more dense, full, and heavier due to the additional liquid of the cubes.
When a polystyrene or polyurethane foam is applied to a garage door it alters it density. The balance will naturally be off. Perhaps not by much, but there's still a variance. Thus the point of this video is simply be mindful that any alteration to a garage door such as adding insulation, supports struts, glass windows, etc, will affect the balance a garage door. Hope this helps!
I was hoping you would provide a method to calculate what torsion spring size you need if the existing springs on your door are incorrect, as was the case in your double door example. Do you have another video on how to do that?
Not sure he wants to do that since most of his video's exclude that information. However one can infer that a standard non insulated 16x7 door would need two 207x1.75x25 springs or two 218x1.75x31 springs...if I have my info correct from his video's
@@cryhavoc38 i got a pair of 205/2/25, they are not right for it, I think I have to go higher, my problem is that my old torsion springs that were there when au moved were two different once, one seems to be 250/2/30 and the other one seems to be 243/2/30 and I’m not sure which one to pick, and this video seems to have confused me even more, it’s saying that the 243/2/30 are not the right ones..
Thanks for all of your great info here! I’m replacing my torsion springs and the ones I have on there are .207x1.75x27. The door is a McKee Door model 1000 16’x7’ non insulated steel door. The cable drum says dns 4x-8. Can you recommend a replacement spring size? Maybe something with a thicker wire size for a longer life cycle? I’m having a hard time finding a direct replacement of the size I have on there. Any help would be appreciated!
Just weighed my door at 176lbs and did the balance test. With the current springs, the door just falls down so I’m guessing I need some stronger springs. Just don’t know what size would be best?
Try and pair of .218 by 1.75 by 30 long springs. If you can't find that size try a pair of 207 1.75 23 long.
I went with a pair of .207 by 2 by 20. Installed in about a half hour. 29 turns and the door was a little hot so I backed it off about 2 quarter turns and the door was balanced perfectly and now my garage door actually works :) you’re videos have been a big help!
I'm glad I was able to help.
Hi Santiago. I have an issue with my garage door springs. We have two Ceco / Windsor doors. One is a 16' long x 7' high uninsulated, single sided metal door with no windows.
The two original springs are not available for measurement since they were replaced in 2012 with a single spring that broke today.
That replacement spring measures 33 3/4" long, with a 1 11/16 diameter, the 20 coil count is 5", and has 136 coils.
I wasn't happy to see this spring installed since there were two originally. Plus the original springs lasted 22 years thru three different owners.
The single car door spring is original and has been in service since 1990.
The single car door is the same design as the larger one but measures 8' long x 7' high and has the original spring which measures
23 1/8" long, The 20 coil count is 4 1/8". I can't measure the diameter because its still under tension.
I'm hopeful you can shed some light on what springs to buy for the double size door, and if I should replace the single spring on the smaller single car door for good measure?😢
I have a 16' × 7 that i addad polystyrene insulation in (Styrofoam) no windows. I don't know the brand. The current springs are 218 x24 with 2 in. One of the springs broke after 7 months. Should i make any changes
Hello. Yes the added weight did affect the cycle life to your torsion springs. I would suggest going with a .225 wire springs with a 1 3/4" diameter and 33" long for higher cycles. Hope this helps.
I have a 18x7 garage insulated heavy door. A spring broke so I am replacing both. They currently are 30x225x2. What upgraded size can I use. I don't think they are original. No label on the door. Has windows and styrofoam insulation. What do you recommend . Ty
Hello. A pair of .243x2x44 might be worth considering. Consult your local dealer installer to be sure.
I have an 18x8 standard non-insulated door with single pane windows on the top panel. There in not a manufacturer sticker anywhere on this door. The spring on the left side of the center bracket is broken. Is the left side spring a right-hand wind? The size printed on it is .225x2"x27", is that the right size?
Hello Justin! Yes the left side, red cone spring, is the right wound spring. If your springs are original to this door, then a new pair of .225 by 2 by 27 is perfectly fine. Or you could go for a pair of .225 by 1 3/4¨ by 30" long should work nicely.
Then there is no way to use the # 250, or I can put a litle weigh on the door and use the ones I have, what is your final recommendation. And thank you again for your help.
Unfortunately based on the information you have provided me those springs were not designed for the extensive modifications that have been done to your door. I can not recommend the use of those springs. You will need to reconfigure your springs. In addition, I highly suggest seeking a professional in your area to provide you a thorough assessment of your garage door circumstances. In the end, you want a functional garage door but you want it to perform at the highest level of safety. I hope this helps.
Is there a chart/calculator that shows all spring configurations thay would be compatible with an existing spring?
Hello! Yes there is!
www.servicespring.com/dasma-color-codes-for-garage-door-springs/
this is what I did when replacing my springs and it took me a while to figure out what the heck. basically in order to have them rotated enough time that they dont start counter rotating towards the end of the cycle (when the door is up) and making the cables fall off I have to have it so tight that the thing wants to just rocket up. I went from 24" to 31 inch and a thicker gauge coil, I thought this would be appropriate because my door is shockingly heavy like I can not lift it at all without the spring tension, it is old school steel door with insulation yet those springs , a pair of them is way too much. I will be replacing with something closer to what I had before.
Exactly the same problem I had. I bought springs that are too heavy and the door rocketed up (knocked me off the ladder, not hurt). I backed off a little on the tension and the door was balanced halfway, but when fully opened, the shaft rolled back and dumped the cables off the drums. Talk about frustrating. I also had worn rollers and a frayed cable, so I called a garage door company to make it all right. Costly, but lesson learned.
Got same length torsion spring and followed the steps; but issue I see is garage door only lift up till 1 foot , stay stuck and does not move up regardless how much manual lift force I put in (in manual mode). please guide. I tried going up to 33 quarter turns (16.5 half turns) as 31 or 30 turns was not helping, rotation was clock wise for 33 quarter turns.. my old part was 218 wire x 29 long spring and new one is 225 wire and 29 long spring.
Hello. I don't think the new springs (.225 - 29's) are rated for your garage door. Do you the diameter size of the springs?
We have a Wayne Dalton 16 by 8 and by 8 insulated roll up door the torsion Springs broke and my son through the originals away.. How can I order new Springs without the originals. thank you
Hello! Do you know the model of your Wayne Dalton 16 by 8 door? Is it insulated? Does it have windows? Do you know if it's the model 8000? Or perhaps it's the 9100?
Great video Santiago! Great video man keep up the good work!!
Thank you for the support! Stay safe!
@@sosgds Your welcome
@@sosgds stay safe Santiago
@@sosgds how are you doing
Doing ok. Trying my best to help out this community.
Hey I have a Wayne Dalton 16x8 Mtl door and the balance weight is 276.05. It has two springs and one broke. I purchased 0.250x2x28 springs as replacements. Is that going to work and how many quarter turns do you suggest? Thanks!
Hello! Thank you for your question.
What garage door model did you say you own?
What other info do you have on the Wayne Dalton Mtl door?
How long are the springs you currently have on this garage door?
could you compensate by taking a couple 1/4 turns off the spring making the force weaker?
Yes you could. But the balance of the garage door will suffer over time. Poor door balance can also cause problems to your garage door opener motor.
Any advise for a car trailer Ramp door? This thing needs a beefier spring as it’s pretty heavy to lift for a woman. If the guys are out riding and the girls need to close stuff up for a storm they need 2 of them to lift.
Hello! Great question. Do you happen to know if the ramp has been modified in any way? Do you have one spring or two currently lifting the ramp?
What I want to know is based on my door size 208" x 8 ft, how long should the coils be and what size wire? I have gotten quotes from a variety of different sizes. I guess whatever coil they needed to get rid of at the time. I'm thinking there should be some kind of formula or idea of door size to coil size.
Great question. Based on the width and height of the garage door it will require a thicker wire gauge. Do you happen to know the door weight? Is it an insulated garage door? Does it have windows?
Can’t find any 207x2x22 springs is there anything else I can use? I have a 16x7 non insolated
Hello. Yes there is a spring shortage currently. If you have a garage door without windows I would try looking for a single .250 1 3/4" 33 spring. You will only need one spring. One spring can lift the door as two springs. Here's a video where I highlight protips when there are no springs.
th-cam.com/video/r2PpRt9CRyM/w-d-xo.html
Had my broken single torsion spring replaced (by professional) with recommended 2 separate torsion springs several years ago. Power outage forced me to pull emergence cord to open door. Discovered door not balanced upon lifting it up. I'm handy & had right tools to "add" tension to both springs (left-side, right-side) to re-balance door. To my surprise, I could only "add" tension to left-side spring. Right-side spring would not rotate (either direction) when 2 bracket screws were loosen & using hand-bars for twisting action.
I ended up adding tension to left-side spring only for door to open 1/2 way & remain stable.
Why did right-side spring not twist?.... Installation error or other?
Appreciate your opinion & advisement..... good day sammy
Wondering if you could give this homeowner / builder some guidance. Have 2 16x8 T50s Clopay classics. Had a company, who's number i lost, raise the tracks on one a few years ago. We lifted them from 9' feet, to just a foot below the 14' ceiling. They went from the original 18" orange (left side looking out garage, and 24" right side looking out garage, to 36" White springs on both sides. I've contacted 9 different people to do the same on the 1 door I didn't already do. Most were no shows, 2 came and gave crazy prices ($3,300, and $2,600) to change the springs, drums, cables and lift tracks. I'm very handy, and I'm sure I can do it, providing I have the parts. My question is, on the door already done, it's still a tad heavy to lift up with the new white springs. Can I just order green or yellow springs of same(36") length to help it up easier?
Hello! Wow! Thank you for all this great feedback. So I believe I understand what your situation is. Of course the solution is not always easy when you're having to lift the track assembly to a garage door system. The springs should be configured according to the height of the door and the actual drums and of course track assembly. I do have a series of questions for you but perhaps maybe I can provide you my email address and you can send me some pictures of your door system. My email is sosgdoservice@gmail.com. let me know if this helps because in essence I would need to know what type of drums were utilized, and other aspects of the high lift. Also you had mentioned you had an orange spring which could be the 192 wire or perhaps the 273 wire. At any event we would want to nail that as well. So email me when you get a chance, because I would love to see if I can be assistance to you.
Hey Santiago, I have a single car garage door that is 30 years old. No windows but it is insulated and the back is not steel. It’s a foam material. The right wound spring snapped and I need to replace it. From what I can read on the spring I have one .225x2x27. Is that the correct spring to use on this door? The other question I have is if I cannot find a right wound spring but can easily find a left would spring, can I just replace the spring and move the new one the the right side? Thanks for your help!
Hello Pete. Thanks for the question. You can definitely go with a new .225 2" by 27. Or you can also go with a .225 1 3/4" by 30. Now to be completely clear, you only have one springs on this garage door correct? It's a single car door correct?
@@sosgds Yes that’s correct, sir. That being said if I can’t find a left wound spring at the big box store but they do have a right wound, am I able just to switch the spring to the other side as long as it’s the correct spring? Thanks for your help!
Yes correct. A right wound spring should do the trick! Hope it all works out. Stay safe!
Hi! Great video! I need a little help determining the springs (pair) I need. One side just broke. I’m the second owner of my house and I don’t want to assume the springs installed are appropriate because I’m not sure they are original. My door was originally installed in 2006 and is 7’x18’, 18 gauge steel, no windows, no insulation, no locks or custom add-on features, the 4 panels are 21” tall. Not sure of the curve but it is pretty large, maybe 14”. When unwound the current spring size (pair, black color metal) is .224 1.75” 28” according to the information painted on the coils. The closest I have been able to find is .225 1.75” 28” but they seem to be out of stock. Any help is greatly appreciated!
Hello! Thank you for reaching out. It's possible you have a Mesa garage door. They offer odd size springs sometimes. But based on the information you provided I would go with the .225 wire by 1.75 by 28. Yet, if you want to get a little more cycle life you can go with a pair of .234 by 1.75 by 33 long springs. Hope this helps.
@@sosgdsYes, this helps a lot! Thank you for sharing your expertise!
Hi good information I want to know my garage door spring brook so I measured its 225x2x28, so my garage door size is 16x7 steel insulated 8300, my question is is this right size off spring? And what other size I can use?
Great info brother! I love your video direction and style.
I've been grabbing content for heavy doors and how to use a counterbalance arm with a scale. A video geared towards door guys that are new and need help understanding how to use one. Counterbalance arm ranks up there with my laser level! 😂😎🤘🏼
Richard! So glad to hear from you. Thank you for your kind words. It means alot coming from you. I can't wait to see your next video my friend. I use to have a counterbalance arm but I have no idea what I did with it. 🤣 Let us know when you post it!
@@sosgds your so welcome and thank you. Since the winter blast the door business has been off the chain busy. Haven't had much time to do anything other than the daily grind. Not enough time in a day to get things done. Although, I do have a couple videos that should be useful and entertaining coming very soon. Actually on Sunday I'll have one ready to rock! Can't wait to get feedback. It can go 1 of 2 ways. Either, man that's to good or Dude that really sux. We'll see!
No seriously, keep it up my man. You're doing some good work. 💯🤘🏼
I have a single .234 I want to add a 2nd spring. Can I go down one size? I have a 16x7 non insulated door
My door spring broke and I could only find a spring that is around 3" longer. The inner diameter is correct and the gauge is correct but the springs overall length is a little longer, how will this affect my door ? I had the original spring and it was 24 years old so I got my money le worth from the original and it must have been a good size for it ?
Hello Edward. The spring length will require that you add a turn or two when winding. The longer your spring is the more IPT (inch per turn) it will require. Thus they might not balance your door perfectly but they should be close to perfect with a little tweaking.
I have a Clopay, model 4050, 16 x 8 , 1& 38", insulated steel back garage door. One panel has eight 10" x 18" single pane windows. It has a 234-2-28 spring on the right, and a 218-2-24.5 on the left. The smaller spring has broken twice in the last 5 years. Is my installer installing the correct springs. Thanks
Hello. Based on what you mentioned I would say your installer should offer you a higher cycle spring. I would actually apply two .234 wire by 1 3/4" diameter by 31" long springs on your door.
@@sosgds Thanks for responding.
I have a Northwest Door 12x14 vinyl back insulated and don't know exactly what size spring/springs I need. How do I determine that. It is a standard door with 12 inch radius.
Hello. I'm not too familiar with Northwest Doors. Do you know the model of your garage door?
Great, informative video. I have a 16’ x 9’ insulated, steel backed garage door. There is no label so I am unsure of the manufacturer or model number. What springs would you recommend for this door given the limited information?
I would really appreciate some help. It has proven extremely difficult to find accurate information for this door size and have already been led astray.
I'm not sure my garage door has the correct spring size, one side just broke and I'm trying to determine what size I should purchase. My garage door is a 7' x 18' non-insulated with a row of windows and 3 horizontal supports, What would be your recommendation?
Hello. Thank you for your question.
How much does your garage door weigh?
What is the gauge of your garage door?
What brand of garage door do you own?
Thanks for the info. This is a Great video. I have a 16x7 wood door. probably water logged but still straight. One spring broke (a .225 x 2" x 26") and I was considering installing slightly larger springs. Perhaps a .234 x 2" x 28". Would this be wise or should I just replace with the same size?
Thanks for the feedback! And thank you for your question.
Do you happen to know the weight of the garage door?
Are the current .225 wire springs original to the garage door?
Can you confirm the size of the non broken torsion spring?
@sosgds thank you for responding. No I don't know the weight. And yes this is the size of the original springs. About 40 years old. Door always seemed heavy to lift. Again thank you.
Also, with just one spring I can hardly lift it by myself and I am a strong guy.
Thank you.
If the door is heavy as you say then it should be seen by a garage door professional. Even with the strongest opener, a garage door system will fail if the door is not properly maintained.
Additionally, the openers in the video all have metal and plastic materials. Yet they provide a similar level of reliability.
@@sosgds Thank You🙂
@@sosgds Thank you so much for all the info on your videos. I went ahead and took a chance on the heavier springs. I started with 7 full turns and it worked fine but still a little heavy for my wife. So I added one more full turn and it is really smooth. For the first time in years the opener isn't screaming when it opens. I also replaced all the rollers. Thanks again.
Years ago I replaced a torsion spring that was a single spring on my garage door with a pair of springs. I picked up at a hardware store. Unclear as to what I was putting on it seem to work well for about the last 10 years. Now that I watch all these videos, I’d like to make sure that I am getting in fact the right springs now for the garage door since one has already broken. The video does not address How to choose a proper spring if you don’t have the proper spring on the door. What is your advice on that?
Thank you for sharing your experience. What can you tell me about the garage door? What brand or company of door is it?
When I am looking for springs on a new door I am specifically looking for the following:
Make
Model
Composition
Size
Weight
Track Configuration
And any added support struts to the door.
So for context here's how I would apply this guide:
Make: Wayne Dalton Door
Model: 9100
Composition: Insulated door with no windows
Size: 16 wide by 7 tall
Weight: 127 lbs
Track configuration: Standard 12" track
Now as for the last part, any added strut supports, can be a bit tricky. Mainly because this door will come with a standard 3" strut for the top section. Thus you want to factor any additional struts when that could add extra weight. If there are no additional supports then this step can be omitted.
So for the garage door just mentioned above, a pair of 207 by 1 3/4" by 33 long springs would work perfectly.
Hi Santiago, thanks for this very clear and straightforward video. I'd like to install springs that will last a little longer. I currently have a set of .207x1.75x 23 on an uninsulated 7x16 door. It appears to be a plain Wayne Dalton door without windows. I don't know the weight because there is still tension on one of the springs. I'm waiting to order the springs with the bars. I'm thinking that a pair of .218x1.75x25 would work. What do you recommend?
Hello! Yes a pair of 207 25's should work for a 16 by 7 non insulated Wayne Dalton door. Keep in mind that you want to check the balance of the door at the 3' and 5' level. Hope it works out!
So you reccomend a pair of 207x25 as an upgrade rather than 218x25? Basically an extra 2 inches in length is all I need rather than a thicker gauge for longevity? Thanks
@@Juggernautyb In your case I would go with a pair of 218 31
@@Juggernautyb Or you could go with a pair of 218 29. Are your sure the diameter of the 207 23 are 1.75? That is 1 3/4"?
I'm almost certain of the diameter. Stamped on it is P175S*4
Good video sir. I was hoping you can help me find the right size. My old one snap in the left side, size diameter is .207x2x21. The right side is bigger 243x2x32. I did replaced it w/ 2pair of .218x2x34, didn't work. I went to 243x2x32 but the tensions is too strong. I have 7x16 door. What should you think shall I used. Thank n advance.
Hello. Thank you for your question. What can you tell me about your garage door?
What brand of garage door do you own?
Is your garage door insulated or does it have windows?
Insulated. The yellow tags show Northwest Door.
7foot high and weight between 210-217 lbs. Radius is 12inch and drum size was 4inch. Hope this will help. Thanks for reply.
I would consider a pair of 234 by 1.75 diameter by 33" long. Did the 243 by 32 work for you?
I have a 7x16 uninsulated door and I'm not sure if the old torsion springs are correct they are 218x1.75x25 pair. Are these the right spring? And is there other that would work better for this configuration? Thx
Hello. Great question. It will depend if you have a steelback insulated door or a vinyl back (aka. polyback) insulated garage door. The vinyl back insulated door will have visible insulation. In fact, it will have the look of styrofoam. The steelback insulated garage door is concealed thus the insulation is not visible. Additionally, the steelback insulated door will seem solid.
The 218 by 1 3/4" 25 can be applied to a steelback door depending on the thickness of the door. Yet you can consider a high cycle spring in the .234 or .243 wire size. The length will depend again of the thickness of the door and the type of insulation. Hope this helps!
@@sosgds apologize but after I sent the original text I realized that it auto corrected I actually have an uninsulated door would you be able to give me instructions for that please
Ah! Of course. The springs might be a bit strong. How's the balance to your garage door? Does it seem light? Does it seem heavy?
One of my springs broke. I have two .207 x 1 3/4 x 20 on it now. Its a 16 x 7 non-insulated aluminum door. Its seems to struggle a bit to open. If I went up to a 25 from a 20 would it help?
Hello. Thank you for your question. Does your door have windows. If so perhaps a pair of .218 by 1 3/4" by 29 might offer better balance.
@@sosgds Thats what I bought and it worked great
Here's a curve ball for you....I have 7x9 insulated door that weighs 130 pounds and want to add an 18" high lift as the ceilings are over 9 1/2' tall....with a single torsion spring....what do you reckon would be the best size in this situation? And for an 18" rise, do I need to convert 400-8 to a 400-54 drum?
Hello. That's definitely a curveball. The App I use can engineer the door size and weight. Yet it does not give me an option for 18" high lift. But I can tell you what spring could work for a 15" radius track: 234 2" by 27 long. That is a single spring.
@@sosgds Thanks for your feedback, my intuition tells me 250x2x37 will do the trick...should get to where I need to be under 9 winds. In any case, at the prices I have been quoted, I can afford to make 3 or 4 mistakes and it would still cost me less.
what would you suggest for this same door, but if it were insulated?
Hello. Can you elaborate on your particular door? Is it a Wayne Dalton door?
@@sosgds thanks for your reply. I had some pro's come out. Went w/ a single spring to save some money knowing I'll be replacing the door in a few years.
I’ve got a 16x7 non insulated Wayne Dalton with no windows... The sheet attached to the door is barely visible but states .243 x 2 x 30 (I think it’s 30)..
I can’t find the exact replacement.
Any suggestions would be amazing!
Hello. If you find a pair of .207 1 3/4" diameter by 30 to 33 inche long springs that should balance out fine. If not then go with a single .243 1 3/4" diameter by 34"long spring or a single .250 1 3/4" diameter by 39" long. Hope these suggestions help.
@@sosgds Man thanks!!!!!
I found a pair of .243 x 2 x 31 springs immediately after reading this.
Thanks again!
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I have 16x7 8000 series Wayne Dalton no windows also. It weights 179 lbs. Which of the two single springs mentioned would be longer lasting. The .243 or the .250? Converting from torquemaster one system. Thanks for any information.
Hi I have a pair of spring 207 x 2 x 22 can install 207 x 2 x 24 or 25 on the length? The door 15 feet by 7 non insulated no windows, cant believe is so heavy without the spring brand United door technologies.
Hello Francisco. Yes you should be able to apply those springs. You might apply an additional turn to achieve better balance. Start with 28 quarter turns. Check your balance, then apply any additional quarter turns for optimal performance.
Thank you for answering my question.
My house is 6 years old. I have a 16' x 8' steel uninsulated garage door that weighs 293.9#. It has 2 torsion springs; .250x2x32 #2 Gold RW & .234x2x28 #2 brown LW. It is lifted by a 1/2 HP operator.
I am in the process of insulating the door. When complete, the door will weigh in at 310.67#.
Will I be able to lift the 310.67# door with the current springs and operator?
Hello. You should be able to utilize the same spring with that additional weight to the door. You're roughly looking about a 10 to 12 lb difference. Nevertheless it will lower the cycle life of your springs. Any added or extra weight to the door will always affect cycle life. So you might see yourself replacing those springs in the near future. Hope this helps.
@@sosgds Hi, I liked your video too much which draw my attention than other videos. I am trying to understand torsion spring size vs door weight rule. Please correct me if I am wrong: In this particular case, the door weight 293.9 lb. while springs installed pulls up 260 lb, (based on DIY site calculator) which means the springs are 34 lb. deficit from the door weight!! My understanding the springs installed are under size and motor is struggling to pull the door up. Please explain if I am wright or wrong? Thanks
Awesome information! My 12'X8' Amarr steel insulated door, 15" radius track with 4" drums was installed with non matched springs. One is 36" long and the other is 28". I am looking to put matched springs on it, same length and same wire size. The door weights 250lbs+. I am in a remote area on the East Coast and can do the repair myself. Just want to have a matched set of springs to help with longevity and wear on my garage opener. Any recommendations for proper matched set would be greatly appreciated! Thank you for your time!
Hello. Based on the details of your garage door you might want to look for a pair of .225 wire springs. As for the diameter and length ... you could look at the 1 3/4"by 30 to 33 long.
@@sosgds Thank you!
@@sosgds Can you recommend a supplier that would have them in stock?
@@MrSurfnc There are not many that I know outside my area. But you could try this distributor:
www.national-hardware.com/sc/garage-door-springs-cables
@@sosgds Thank you so much!
I measured and weighed my door. 16x7 @ 225 lbs. Non-insulated with upper strut. Currently have dual springs .225 x 1-3/4 x 29. The right one snapped last night. These seem to be the correct spring rated at 115 lbs each x 2 = 230 lbs. I did have trouble balancing the door a few years ago. When it was balanced at 3' and 5' the garage door opener couldn't close it. I then realized that the door has to be heavy enough to wind the spring as it goes down. Is there a better spring rate? Should I go up or down? I'm considering 110 lbs .225 x 2 x 27. Thanks.
207-2-24 Pair 👌 do 32 quarter turn on one spring 28 on the other. Or you can also do 8 full turns on one and 7 full turns on the second spring
@@Wlgfande Thanks for the reply. I used an online spring calculator and ended up ordering 234-2-31 which has the same spring rate as the original 225-1.75-29. I read the spring rate should match the door weight. Hopefully this is correct and I can get the door properly balanced.
Hello. Please let me know if the 234's balance your door.
@@sosgds I will report back after I get them installed. I found information regarding "stretching" the spring before you tighten the cone set screws. I guess it kind of makes sense that as you wind the spring, it maybe shortens very slightly. If you lock it down at that length, then the spring may not unwind properly to its original length? I watched a guy tap on the winding rod to "stretch" the spring before tightening the cone set screws. Not sure this is standard practice in the industry and I don't see anyone else doing this.
@@sosgds Well I finally got the door balanced and working after much effort. The 234-2-31 are working at 7 turns (replacing 225-1.75-29) but only after I did some work to my door. I replaced the quick turn low headroom top hinges for standard adjustable top bracket hinges. I believe my trouble was caused by the quick turn hinges. It seems the door would not close properly because the top section of the door was laying too flat due to the quick turn hinges and not providing enough weight on the door during its last 1-2 feet of movement. My garage door opener would bind and go into reverse. After replacing the quick turn hinges with standard adjustable top brackets I was able to better balance my door and it now closes. I believe the standard top brackets allow the top section of the door to be in a more vertical position allowing it to apply more weight on the door. Never thought it would be this difficult to solve the balancing issue.
Chinno, I have a question about garage door motor. Currently the motor is a 1/2 HP.
Is a double car door. Two torsion springs 16x7 Wayne Dalton foamcore model 37 has 7 cross braces.
The motor was installed 2005 ad still works. I sence a little strain when operating both open and close.
Question, when I do replace the motor, should I get the same 1/2 or should I get a 3/4 hp?
Hello! Yes I would definitely go with a stronger motor. Are you in an area where there's high winds or hurricanes?
@@sosgds thanks for ur reply. You guest right. I live in Florida. 🤣😂😁
Great! I would confidently suggest going with a 3/4 hp AC motor. It should have the guts to get your heavy door up.
The best garage door video I've ever seen. Thanks. I have a door in a house we just bought that obviously has the wrong torsion springs. It's a Pioneer Garage Door (which is out of business), model 2150. It's a 16 x 8, steel backed, 1.5" door, weight = 250 lbs. The current springs are 2, 207x2x26. They're wound 9.5 turns which makes the door barely able to be lifted but hot at the top. Can you suggest the correct springs?
Hello! Thank you for the kind feedback. Oh WOW! Those springs are definitely not right for your garage door. You said your garage door is 1 3/8" thick? It's not 2" thick correct? If it is a 1 3/8" thick door and it has windows then I would consider some .228 1 3/4" 28" or perhaps some .234 1 3/4" 33". If you don't have windows then try a pair of .225 1 3/4" 30"s. Hope this helps!
If it’s 8 ft tall it will need to be wound 8 full turns…. Assuming standard 400-8 drums I’d say a pair of .234 x 2 x 29 on 12 inch track radius and .234 x 2 x 30 for 15 inch track radius 👍
@@chasegeissler4964 I'd have to agree. Spot on spring configuration.