BEST?? ...or bust? FIIO K19 FLAGSHIP HEADPHONE DAC/AMP

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  • BEST?? ...or bust? FIIO K19 FLAGSHIP HEADPHONE DAC/AMP
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  • @GoufinAround_
    @GoufinAround_ หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I have the k9 pro ess on my desk and it's amazing. Fiio makes great products and spending the 800 bucks to make sure I'll never need another unit again was perfect for me

    • @Alinho295
      @Alinho295 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I also paired my Fiio K9 Pro ess with Wiim Pro through coaxial input, so I stream lossless audio without a cable connected to the iPhone. What a great combination ❤️

    • @user-nu9kn5su5m
      @user-nu9kn5su5m หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Better than iFi Zen Signature Set?

    • @dragonsbreath8653
      @dragonsbreath8653 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      FiiO K9 Pro ESS is a great product, and it was my second amplifier after THX Onyx. FiiO K9 Pro ESS gave me the emotions of listening to music, games and movies, but FiiO K19 is already a new level of sound, and after FiiO K19 you don't want to listen to FiiO K9 Pro ESS anymore. The FiiO K9 Pro ESS after the FiiO K19 has loud and synthetic low and high frequencies, while the mid frequencies are distant. There is no energy, powerful, balanced bass. FiiO K19 sounds natural, balanced, powerful, beautiful, and there are no loud frequencies. The high resolution of sounds provides high intelligibility of sounds, sounds have become closer to the ear, and you can listen to music, games at a low volume, and the sounds will be perfectly heard clearly and clearly, which the FiiO K9 Pro ESS could not provide.

    • @Alinho295
      @Alinho295 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yep, maybe.
      There is always something just around the corner.
      I am happy with my FiiO K9 Pro ESS. ;)

    • @audie-cashstack-uk4881
      @audie-cashstack-uk4881 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​Il blind test you k19 vs k11 if you know il give you 20k in gold bullion ​@@dragonsbreath8653

  • @JAG3RmanJENSON
    @JAG3RmanJENSON หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Review of the ONIX Alpha XL1 coming anytime soon?

  • @topandrun126
    @topandrun126 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thanks for reviewing this k19 i really enjoy your reviews. Now waiting for the m23 review.

    • @Gizaudio
      @Gizaudio  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Still trying to get my hands on that. Hopefully soon! Thanks for watching!

  • @radiofreealbemuth
    @radiofreealbemuth หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I'm guessing sound quality wise, this is probably equivalent to a $1K Topping/SMSL stack, but you're paying a premium for the PEQ function and multimedia connections in the back 😊

    • @audie-cashstack-uk4881
      @audie-cashstack-uk4881 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes sound qaulity is in deed same as a 120£$ k11 and thise media connections like usb and optical come in at 120£$ with a k11

    • @ALEX-WTF-ds4pe
      @ALEX-WTF-ds4pe หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@audie-cashstack-uk4881 ты глуп как табуретка

    • @ALEX-WTF-ds4pe
      @ALEX-WTF-ds4pe หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@audie-cashstack-uk4881 вы идиот? хватит рекламировать свой k11 это дешевка, купите нормальные наушники чтобы понять это

    • @minimustang2197
      @minimustang2197 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@audie-cashstack-uk4881 Same as K11? Wtf

    • @ipodguy123g
      @ipodguy123g 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@audie-cashstack-uk4881 You dont listen to music

  • @dragonsbreath8653
    @dragonsbreath8653 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I will add information about why the GND/LIFT switch is needed, which was not mentioned in the video. GND / LIFT is used to switch the ground connection of the printed circuit board and the external enclosure. When switching to GND, the PCB is connected to the external enclosure. When switching to LIFT, the printed circuit board and the external enclosure are disconnected. Used to optimize the connection between two devices due to common ground loop interference. This is very important if you have spurious interference in the electrical circuit with a frequency of 50/100 Hz, which can negatively affect the sound of the FiiO K19, you will hear noises. If you hear noises instead of dead silence, then there is an earth loop in the electrical circuit or some device emits parasitic signals, switch to the LIFT position. It is also not recommended to connect FiiO K19 to a linear interactive UPS with an approximated sinusoid output, but only to a UPS with a pure sine output. The line-interactive UPS also introduces noise if GND is enabled. C Online UPS with double conversion and pure sine, the FiiO K19 has no noise in the GND position.

  • @Pictus_Invictus
    @Pictus_Invictus หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks for the review! It would be an interesting experiment to use the Aune S17 Pro as an amplifier for the FIIO K19 to see how the ES9039PRO performs with a better and warmer AMP.

    • @ALEX-WTF-ds4pe
      @ALEX-WTF-ds4pe หลายเดือนก่อน

      Глупая идея, купите цап к s17 pro

  • @jhuneclarino
    @jhuneclarino หลายเดือนก่อน

    How about its sound in balance XLR and single ended RCA of course with resolving amp and speaker

  • @aaronfriedman8201
    @aaronfriedman8201 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I had the S17Pro. Yes it was lush but dirty. The soundstage on the S17pro was not coherent. I am currently using the Gustard A26 and Gustard H26.

    • @Cuthbert80
      @Cuthbert80 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hey Aaron, how would you describe your Gustard H26 amp?

    • @aaronfriedman8201
      @aaronfriedman8201 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I have both the A26 DAC and the matching H26 head Amp.
      Both are smooth and clean sounding. Together they cover one for all headphones. The DAC has analog attenuation as well as HeadAmp which has a low and high setting.
      For IEMs I use the attenuation on the Dac and use the headamp on the Low setting. For over ears headphones on the Dac attenuation is off. On the head amp Low setting will provide least distortion. So far I have not needed to use high.
      The one thing I love about the K19 is the 31 band PEQ. I use a separate box minidsp studio where I do EQ for the different headphones. The studio has a 10 channel PEQ. However a 31 Eq sounds amazing. If it works in 32 bit 96khz domain as the minidsp studio it can be of high quality too.
      I did AB it compared to the S17 Pro the reviewer uses. I found the S17 Pro to sound lush but really dirty compared to the H26. I also found the S17 to sound big in the expense of staging. Also you can fry an egg on the S17 Pro. It gets crazy Hot. Hence I sold the S17 and kept the H26. I figured it is easier to live with it in the long run.
      Everything is always a balancing act.

    • @Cuthbert80
      @Cuthbert80 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@aaronfriedman8201 thanks a lot for sharing Aaron. I guess your A26 may influence your H26 for the overall solid staging capabilities. I also have a H26 amp and just wanted to hear other peoples opinions as there are hardly any reviews of it.
      I can echo your thoughts about your H26, except for my DAC...I have a "mid tier" Gustard X18. I have great staging/smoothness with these 2 when listening to my XTC2 Open and Meze 109 Pro headphones.

  • @JPC326
    @JPC326 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Is the FiiO K9 AKM better value ?

  • @syanhc
    @syanhc หลายเดือนก่อน

    Killer review. I'm going to sing a song about Dave at the London CanJam 2024...❤

    • @Gizaudio
      @Gizaudio  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      lol, I would love to see that! London's just so far away unfortunately. I will be at CanJam SoCal though! Thanks for checking out the review!

    • @syanhc
      @syanhc หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Gizaudio Used to live in LA when a child. Still miss it. If ever you are on the UK, I'll treat you to some fish and chips if you are up for living dangerously

  • @bezchlebalukas1779
    @bezchlebalukas1779 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the video. Can you compare it with Topping DX9 please?

    • @ALEX-WTF-ds4pe
      @ALEX-WTF-ds4pe หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      K19 best

    • @dragonsbreath8653
      @dragonsbreath8653 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      In terms of versatility, the Topping DX9 cannot provide the listener with flexible audio settings in the same way as the FiiO K19 does, and the Topping DX9 also lacks a GND/LIFT switch, which is an extremely stupid decision for Topping at this level, although other Topping models have such a GND/LIFT switch. Let's say you buy a Topping DX9, and if the ground circuit has a stray ground loop or ground loops that create a 50 Hz pickup (this can be generated by a computer, a line-interactive UPS, an air conditioner, or any device that is plugged into an outlet), you can hear noise. You will not be able to eliminate this noise and will listen to music with noise in an expensive amplifier - very cool. The FiiO K19 has such a GND/LIFT switch, and I appreciated it when I heard the noise myself. I just flipped the GND/LIFT switch to the LIFT position and the noise disappeared. Topping DX9 has a rich, musical sound that is not close to the studio sound, and does not make the sound as close as possible to the source. Topping DX9, because of its musicality, limits the choice of headphones, and not all headphones will work. Topping DX9 is not suitable for games where you need accurate sound and neutral sound, and such a musical sound can be tedious. The FiiO K19 has a smooth, neutral sound, no coloring in the sounds. Sound as close as possible to recording studios, and you will hear the headphones as intended by the manufacturer of headphones, and listen to music as intended by the music artist. If you find the sound of the FiiO K19 boring, then the built-in hardware equalizer DSP PEQ. Yes, we adjust the volume of frequencies through the program, but the frequency processing takes place at the hardware level, and not at the output and programmatically, as with others, and so the sound changed through the equalizer is not distorted, it will be clear. If you run the sound through the Aqua Equalizer APO software equalizer, the sound will be distorted and will be muddy, indistinct, and if through the built-in DSP PEQ, the sound will be clear and clear. You can, for example, not touch the frequency in the equalizer, but adjust the dynamic range (DRCDRE) or limiter (Limiter THR) or compression( Comp THR), as well as attack and attenuation, these are also very important elements for adjusting the sound, there is a lot of information about this on TH-cam-look for the topics "Basics of mixing","Compression", "Dynamic processing". DRCDRE is DRC and DRE, namely (DRC) dynamic range compression and (DRE) dynamic range expansion. For example, in DRCDRE THR, we set -40 dB so that the filter starts working, and in DRCDRE Depth, we set +2 dB, so that you can hear sounds moving to the foreground, add a little volume in the sound, or you can set -4 dB and move the sounds away from you. Very interesting experience. If you want emotionality, then turn on DSP PEQ and color the sound as you see fit, and if you need a smooth sound, without saturation, you need to hear accurate and detailed sound in games, then just turn off the equalizer or resort to adjusting the dynamic range and make the sound as accurate, clear and detailed as possible. Unfortunately, Topping DX9 will not be able to provide you with this, and you will only listen to music and rich sound. If you choose the right headphones for the FiiO K19, you will get a synergistic effect. What is a synergistic effect? A synergistic effect is the interaction of two devices in such a way that they complement each other, creating a harmonious sound. The amplifier has the ability to transmit all the nuances and details of the sound, keeping them unchanged. Headphones, in turn, transmit this sound without distortion or loss of quality. When these two components are perfectly combined, they work together to provide the listener with unsurpassed audio quality. Thus, the synergistic effect allows you to achieve maximum efficiency and sound quality, turning simple audio playback into a fun musical experience.

  • @JohnMSantos
    @JohnMSantos หลายเดือนก่อน

    what are those speakers for the desktop

  • @ronenbuium7699
    @ronenbuium7699 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi,
    I will be happy to know if the iBasso D16 TAIPAN DAC/AMP worth buying! (Compered to a much cheeper products).
    Thanks

  • @dragonsbreath8653
    @dragonsbreath8653 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Why doesn't anyone talk about Fast, Slow, Apodizing, Mini, Mini Slow, Hybrid Fast, Brick Wall filters? I get the feeling that bloggers don't know about these filters or don't hear the difference. The difference is very clearly audible with different filters. I can hear this difference in HiFiMan Arya Organic through the 4.4 mm balanced connection.
    Fast - The sound is brighter and richer. Suitable for genres where energy and dynamism are important, such as rock, pop, and electronic music.
    Slow - The sound is comfortable, less detailed and with increased bass. Suitable for those who prefer a warmer and softer sound.
    Apodizing - The sound is balanced, natural and detailed. Suitable for those who prefer clarity and precision of sound.
    Mini - The sound is soft and less saturated. It is suitable for listening to calm music or movies, where the overall mood is more important than small details.
    Mini Slow - The sound is soft, less saturated, but with rich low frequencies. It is suitable for lovers of relaxation or those who prefer music with a rich bass, but without excessive aggressiveness.
    Hybrid Fast - The sound is brighter, richer with increased detail. Suitable for genres that require high detail and energy, such as hip-hop, R&B, or modern electronica.
    Brick Wall - Detailed sound with rich high frequencies. It is suitable for genres where clarity and detail in vocals and instrumental parts are important, such as pop, rock, or some types of electronic music.

    • @Lead_Foot
      @Lead_Foot หลายเดือนก่อน

      Because only a couple of them accurately reproduce the source's waveform.

    • @dragonsbreath8653
      @dragonsbreath8653 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Lead_Foot - Which filter pair are we talking about? Could you share your opinion? By the way, in the technical documentation of ESS9039PRO in the "Filters" section there are characteristics. Total of 7 filters: Minimum Phase, Linear Phase Apodizing, Linear Phase Fast Roll-off, Linear Phase Slow Roll-off, Minimum Phase Fast Roll-off, Minimum Phase Slow Roll-off, Minimum Phase Slow Roll-off Low Dispersion. FiiO named these filters in its own way. We look at the Stop Band parameter and the indicators.
      1) The Minimum Phase Stop Band filter has the value (- 97dB)
      2) The Linear Phase Apodizing Stop Band Filter has the value (-107dB)
      3) The Linear Phase Fast Roll-off Stop Band Filter has the value (-118dB)
      4) The Linear Phase Slow Roll-off Stop Band filter has the value (-84dB)
      5) The Minimum Phase Fast Roll-off Stop Band Filter has the value (-99dB)
      6) The Minimum Phase Slow Roll-off Stop Band filter has the value (-84dB)
      7) The Minimum Phase Filter Slow Roll-off Low Dispersion Stop Band is set to (-84dB)
      The Stop Band determines which frequencies will be filtered out or allowed to pass through the filter. This parameter is measured in decibels (dB) and indicates the depth of suppression of unwanted frequencies outside the filter's operating range. The depth of suppression, expressed in decibels, allows you to evaluate the effectiveness of the filter in reflecting unwanted noise and distortion. The level of suppression in Stop Band directly affects the nature of the sound we hear. Filters with a higher level of suppression in Stop Band are able to effectively eliminate high-frequency components that can give the sound aggressiveness or rigidity. This results in a softer and smoother sound, especially in the higher frequencies, making the acoustics more pleasant and comfortable for the listener. On the other hand, low-level filters in the Stop Band have less impact on frequency transmission, which can lead to the preservation of some high frequencies, despite their potential undesirability. This may add some brightness or sharpness to the sound, but it also increases the likelihood of unwanted distortion and noise.

  • @fiddlix
    @fiddlix หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great review Dave, I prefer something more musical, I currently use the FiiO Q15 and it has AKM dac/amp and love it. Is FiiO going to make a product like the the K19 with AKM dac/amp implementation..?

    • @or1on89
      @or1on89 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Not this year. Apparently in 2025 they're going to release a successor for the K7 and that one might have AKM processors. The K19 is the "successor" of the K9 while the K11 was successor to the K5 Pro.
      Apparently there is a K11 R2R in the works because they aim to move to produce R2R units in the future and they want to start from affordable units to test the waters.

    • @Gizaudio
      @Gizaudio  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The Q15 is great! I don't know for sure about an AKM version. I think @or1on89 is right. Thanks for watching!

    • @aaronfriedman8201
      @aaronfriedman8201 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I love the sound of the Q15.

    • @dragonsbreath8653
      @dragonsbreath8653 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I listened to devices with AKM and ESS. I prefer ESS. It seems to me that the FiiO is not put in the FiiO K19 AKM DAC for the reason that the ESS is more versatile and better suited for games, movies and music because of the balanced and even sound that the AKM does not have. AKM has a bias towards musical sound and is poorly suited for computer games. FiiO K19 is aimed at a wide range, needs for different content and a wide range of headphones. I don't like the sound of AKM. The sound of the AK4499EQ (Topping DX9) is muted, but bright and sharp. There is a lack of clarity. The sound is unbalanced. It seems to be a high resolution sound, but the sounds are not heard close and clearly. The sound is given in width, not in depth. I really like the ESS9039Pro. The sound of the ESS9039Pro is clear, clear, soft, detailed and deep. Thanks to the high resolution, the sounds are heard closer, clearer and more legible. The sound is heard more in depth than in width.

    • @aaronfriedman8201
      @aaronfriedman8201 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@dragonsbreath8653 AKM tends to sound more like a R2R DAC and ESS has a topping sound more clinical and not as natural.

  • @ronenbuium7699
    @ronenbuium7699 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi,
    Compered to FiiO M15S (Sound wise)?
    * It's very important to know if there's a difference and why between a DAC /Amp Combo and a DAP or DAC / Amp Stack and a DAP (Sound wise)?
    Thanks 🙏

    • @ALEX-WTF-ds4pe
      @ALEX-WTF-ds4pe หลายเดือนก่อน

      Seriously? M17 = k9 pro ESS
      /////
      K19 > k9 pro ess

    • @ronenbuium7699
      @ronenbuium7699 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ALEX-WTF-ds4pe
      A. I have 0 experience with DAPs, therefore I asked a legit question!
      B. According to a respectable reviewer, the FiiO K19 is not neutral because of the THX Amp, and to me that's important!
      C. It's the last time I'm writing to you! Seriously?

    • @ALEX-WTF-ds4pe
      @ALEX-WTF-ds4pe หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ronenbuium7699 мог бы задать вопросы так как я слушал всё это, но идёшь отдыхать, так как решил выебнуться

    • @dragonsbreath8653
      @dragonsbreath8653 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I completely agree with Alex-WTF-ds4pe and will add my opinion. I had two devices: FiiO K9 Pro ESS and FiiO K19. I did not immediately sell the FiiO K9 Pro ESS and spent several hours comparing the FiiO K9 Pro ESS with the FiiO K19. I listened to them through HiFiMan Arya Organic headphones. I am writing my subjective opinion. After the FiiO K19, the FiiO K9 Pro ESS has a darker sound, in which the low and medium frequencies sound louder than the high ones, and the high frequencies are smoothed out for comfortable listening. The sound of the FiiO K9 Pro ESS is colored, not studio, assertive, with powerful bass and high detail, while the FiiO K19 has a completely different sound. The sound is neutral, smooth, without dominant frequencies, which allows you to hear all sounds equally well and not get hung up on certain frequencies. This sound is closer to the studio sound. When you listen to FiiO K9 Pro ESS in HiFiMan Arya Organic, the bass sounds stronger, and because of the weakened treble, the lightness, space, gamma is weaker, the brightness is weak, and when you listen through FiiO K19, the bass is clear, beautiful, scale, lightness, space appears, the sound is realistic, and it seems that I I am on stage with the artists and without headphones. The FiiO K19 has many settings. Filters, built-in equalizer, which allows you to flexibly adjust the sound according to your preferences. The equalizer here is hardware, not software, as in FiiO M15S, FiiO M17, FiiO K7, FiiO K9, FiiO K9 Pro ESS, and this is very important. Yes, we adjust the frequency volume through the program, but frequency processing is performed at the hardware level, and not at the output and programmatically like others, and thanks to this, the sound changed through the equalizer is not distorted, it will be clear. If you run the sound through the Aqua Equalizer APO, the sound will be distorted and will be cloudy, indistinct, and if through the built-in DSP PEQ, the sound will be clear, legible. For example, you can not touch the frequency equalizer, but adjust the dynamic range (DRCDRE) or limiter (Limiter THR) or compression (Comp THR), as well as attacks and attenuation, these are also very important elements for sound tuning, there is a lot of information about this on Google and TH-cam - look for the topic "Fundamentals of processing information", "Compression", "Dynamic processing". DRCDRE is DRC and DRE, namely dynamic range compression (DRC) and dynamic range expansion (DRE). For example, in DRCDRE THR mode, we set the value to -40 dB so that the filter starts working, and in DRCDRE Depth mode, we set the value to +2 dB, and you will hear sounds coming to the foreground by slightly increasing the volume of the sound, or you can set the value to -4 dB and move the sounds away from the screen. myself. A very interesting experience. If you are interested in listening to how FiiO K19 sounds, then find the video under my nickname, and you can hear with your own ears how FiiO K19 sounds. It is also important to choose the right headphones. When two devices are perfectly combined, they are able to create a synergistic effect when one element complements the other, forming a harmonious sound. The amplifier has the ability to transmit all the nuances and details of sound, and headphones transmit this sound without distortion and loss of quality, providing the listener with an unsurpassed sound quality.
      I will add a very important detail. The FiiO M15S has an ES9038PRO DAC with a Hyperstream II modulator and without support for Hardware Mode and TDM Mode, while the FiiO K19 has an ES9039PRO DAC with Hyperstream IV and has support for Hardware Mode and TDM Mode, which allows you to achieve a sound that is as close as possible to the source, to studio recording.

  • @marcswinnen9100
    @marcswinnen9100 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have the q7 is it as good as the k19 or just better than the q15?

    • @Lead_Foot
      @Lead_Foot หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They're not even comparable. The k19 has more than double the output power and many more i/o options.

    • @marcswinnen9100
      @marcswinnen9100 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Lead_Foot i mean soundquality🙂

    • @dragonsbreath8653
      @dragonsbreath8653 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Which is better, mobile or desktop video card Nvidia 4080 (Nvidia 4080 mobile vs 4080 laptop)? Also with audio equipment. The FiiO Q7 mobile player has a different task-to provide high-quality sound on the road, but it is not intended for critical listening or professional use. On the road, you won't have to listen to the analytical quality and detail of the sound. The FiiO K19 is designed for home use and offers higher sound quality through the use of more advanced components. FiiO K19 is able to reveal all the details of sound and provide powerful sound reproduction even when using complex headphones. The FiiO website has Frequency response curve graphs for FiiO K19 and FiiO Q7, and the FiiO Q7 has a worse signal, but the FiiO K19 has a flat one. The FiiO Q7 will not be able to deliver powerful, energetic and very clear sound in the way that the FiiO K19 does, for the reason that the FiiO Q7 does not have as many capacitors, does not have as many op amps, does not have a built-in power supply as the FiiO K19, and the FiiO Q7 costs ESS9038Pro, while the FiiO K19 - ESS9039Pro. Since the FiiO Q7 is a replacement for the FiiO M17, it sounds at the level of the FiiO K9, but it doesn't reach the level of the FiiO K19. These are completely different devices with different sound levels.

    • @marcswinnen9100
      @marcswinnen9100 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@dragonsbreath8653thx the q7 has an external psu and delivers double watt power with ext psu than with battery power true the dac is an older model but with the 3watt power i can drive my 600 ohm dt880😊

    • @ALEX-WTF-ds4pe
      @ALEX-WTF-ds4pe หลายเดือนก่อน

      q7 = k9 pro ESS
      K9 pro ESS < k19

  • @bourjuva
    @bourjuva หลายเดือนก่อน

    goat

  • @audie-cashstack-uk4881
    @audie-cashstack-uk4881 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do your selves a favor and just get a k11 😂😂😂 unless serious power is required

    • @ALEX-WTF-ds4pe
      @ALEX-WTF-ds4pe หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      чушь, к11 звучит хуже чем m15s , а проще чем m15s это уже совсем любительский уровень