Good to see another review of this item from you. You are probably the most consistent reviewer I know for dac dongles. I was looking into buying this but you're precious review made me take a step back. Hopefully it's better now.
Hello Andy, I recently updated the KA11 to newest firmware, and it works perfectly! No issues at all...! When I put it in my phone with headphones the volume goes up and down perfectly not having to go to app too loud volume. I was afraid to update firmware but I just did the update. When update in program you have to follow instructions EXACTLY, incl changing the item codes when updating, and don't forget to take out usb and put it in again, then it starts updating..) Now on 0.08 version I love the fiio ka11! I really like your reviews, being now your subscriber!❤ (Ps: it doesn't get so hot anymore when just idle)
Paired with the amazingly cheap FIIO JD1 IEM this little dongle has been my entry into quality sound through my phone. I was absolutely blown away with the sound of a $75 (Aus) rig and a tidal subscription. So rich and detailed, music bought to life and a joy to listen to. This little dongle will now stay in my car ( which has never sounded so engaging ) connected to AUX as I and am patiently waiting for my new FIIO Q11 dac to arrive. I am pretty sure the FIIO FH 3 will be IEMS that I will purchase soon so that I can emerse myself in sub bass. Love your channel Andy !!
Thanks for your thoughtful review. I enjoy the KA11 and bought a second one because I enjoyed it so much. It’s not very expensive. I feel it sounds similar to the JCally JM10 (not sure you reviewed this dongle). They sound similar but not exactly the same. To me the JM10 is a little darker sounding. I also feel it sounds similar to the Moondrop Dawn (which I feel is a little brighter than both the KA11 and JM10). I find the Dawn too bright for my taste. All excellent dongles. It’s wonderful to have so many options! It’s all about finding the sound you like. As always, thank you for your time and reviews!
My pleasure. And you are absolutely right, JM10 does appear warmer sounding with overall timbre, and the DAWN a bit more edgy bright (crisper) than KA11. Which makes KA11 something of a dongle to bridge the gap between those two. And of course, the only thing that matters is what you hear, what pleases you the most and having options to switch depending on the moods. 🤘🙏
⭐Hey Mr. Andy, I own the Fiio Ka11 and luving it. Lots of power to run magnetic planar IEM's and headphones, brilliant sound quality. I am getting loud music volume using a Motorola phone volume at 4. I have had zero issues with the amp/dac, running perfectly smooth. Its power output is equal to the Fiio E10K Olympus 2. 😎👍💕
As for myself,KA11 was firstly incredible but after used a while and when use usb only or asio mode,the sound itself becomes a little bit harsh in high frequency part which made my ear itching and uncomfortable,meanwhile I found the vocal part seems lower than other parts.Anyway，I finally decide to return it due to the issues I met.AND ALSO thank you for collecting these dongles and give them a fair judge.
Hi Andy, got my KA11 today and am very happy with it. It drives the aux input in my audi fine. In fact it plays plenty loud with vol at just halfway point. Sound is good too straight out of the box. Just that it now shows up limit of my audi audio setup ... rattling, distortion (had to adjust volume)... Maybe need to upgrade soeakers LOL... On my almost 2 hr commute i think it got better (burn in effect?)... Tried it on my hifi setup in the study (old chinese Dared MP5 tube amp + mordaunt short speakers + target stands) using a QED 3.5mm to phono plugs and hiby app as controller linked to my Tidal acc and it sounds even better ....im a happy camper. Thanks liads bro!
KA11 drives the KZ PR2 v1 with a bit of headroom to spare, (Sonata HP Pro with extra power "cheat" couldn't). It drives the DC Drop X Aeon Closed just enough, would like more volume but it's more than listenable. (observations via Samsung S20FE Android phone)
I did mention a few times, normally I use my Tanchjim ZERO 32 Ohm on 4.4mm BAL cable (a recabled Tanchjim ZERO). But I have also used any other IEMs that offers 32 Ohm of impedance or sensitivity lower than 98 dB (something like Etymotic ER2XR on 4.4mm BAL). When there is no 4.4mm BAL, I will of course use the same IEMs with 3.5mm cable or adapter
Good day. Thank you for so many great videos. I purchased the Fiio Ka11 it sounds great for such a minimal dongle. It does get a little warm and the lack of mic support which you mention on your video. I use it with Sennheiser ie200 with a mic it.I will definitely keeping the Ka11 and use with my Ipad. Do you know of another dongle similar to the Fiio Ka11 with mic support. The Ka11 sound great. Thank you!
Nice review, this dongle seems really nice. I wonder if I should get one but I have a VE ODO on the way. I'm only using LetShuoer S12 and Takstar 82 at the moment. Do you know anything about Reiyin DACs, especially the DA-Super? Apparently it uses Cirrus Logic CS8416, has a knob and 3 to 5V power. I'm interested but I can't detailed reviews anywhere.
Thanks. Just to give you a bit of perspective, aside from absolute supremacy with power versus ODO, KA11 would also appear less bright than ODO. ODO has a bit of that brightness due to being analytical with the upper frequency (so you may need to EQ down witt Treble on ODO). KA11 on the other hand would probably not need to EQ
Hi Andy, I've watched both your reviews on KA13 and Ibasso Dc04 pro and I have to say, your videos were excellent. However there's no topic that compares their sound quality side by side, you said the Fiio KA13 is neutral whereas the Ibasso Dc04 pro is a little more analog sounding. My question is: What would be a better choice for the Beyerdynamic DT 880 250 Ohm (It has a 3.5mm non-detachable cable) the KA13 or Dc04 pro? From Aliexpress, I can find the DC04 pro for 10$ more than KA13. The KA11 would provide more power than both of these as it is only 3.5mm but I am concerned about the sound quality when I will push it to max. For this specific headphone, the max volume from these dongles would be: Dt880 (250) & Fiio KA13: 108.9dB Dt880 (250) & Ibasso Dc04 pro:108dB Dt880 (250) & Fiio KA11:110.77dB I know you get alot of these suggestion questions but I couldn't find an answer to this online. Thankyou!
Thanks. My only experience with DT880 was the 600 Ohm version which I used to tests dongles. The biggest issue with these DT series they come only in SE termination of 6.3mm and 3.5mm, so if you run them on any dongles that have 4.4mm BAL, and use only the 3.5mm side, you are getting only 50% of the power they are capable of (please watch my video on this 4.4mm BAL topic). So, if you want to use DT series with dongles, you would fare better with either HIBY FC6, Questyle M12i or FiiO KA11 or Ovidius B1 all of which are dedicated 3.5mm SE dongles with amazing driving capabilities tested with headphones more demanding than 250 Ohm DT250. Dongles like DC04Pro or KA13 will only be most applicable for headphones which can run 4.4mm BAL
@@donglemadness Thanks, but the Ibasso Dc04 pro can produce 108 dB on these headphones. I will check that video to see the difference in power but even with the SE output, these dongles that I listed can produce close to 110dB. The KA11 is only a bit higher in max decibel output capacity acc to my calculations. My question is that 1. Is 108-110dB loud enough? 2. Does 1dB or more difference make a huge difference in this loudness range? 3. Do I need more power or loudness capacity for EQ purposes?
If enough what you looking for yes, but I don't recommend these dongles for what they offer on 3.5mm SE, I recommend them for what they can do on the 4.4mm BAL side. Their 3.5mm SE is suited best for highly efficient IEMs. It is like buying a car that can do 4 wheel drive but you choose to use only 2WD for situations what fare better with 4WD
@@donglemadness Yes I agree. Unfortunately the DT 880 does not come with a detachable cable so that is why I am in this dilemma. Is there a significant difference in overall sound quality of dc04 pro and KA13 or just a subtle difference. I saw that dc04 pro was higher up in your Dongle tier list. Also the KA11 is not in your list so it can be updated. Thanks once again.
Hi Andy, thanks for the review. I purchased Fiio KA11. Could you please give brief information about the sound filters in the application? Which one would you recommend using?
My pleasure, the tricky thing about this filters, they don't always work and when they do, it depends on how receptive the connected IEMs or headphones are to filters, something which you need to try because the results can vary from one device to another
i bought this because of its size/power ratio. tho it sounds good, it's too bright for my liking. also it gets very warm. good thing is i can carry around my planar headphones attached to my smartphone like regular person wearing easy-to-drive 32ohm dynamic driver. no need for desktop dac or bulky dongle.
@@krzysztofobodzinski2529 i'm not sure. i've tried all the filters they seem doesn't do much. last i was on min phase slow roll off. it's the combination of fiio's tuning and cs43131, the sound signature was expected.
that is some insane power output. the ibasso dc03 pro is around 98mW and I only need to put my Artti R1 at 8-10 windows volume, so using a low impedance device with the KA11 would destroy your ears XD
Ironically, that's maybe why i think i actually prefer relatively lower powered dongle as simple IEM user? The strong power output seems irrelevant to me or sometimes may even be detrimental as it can actually affect sound signature the same way cables or impedance adapter does the same due to impedance curve swing of IEM esp hybrids with BAs 4/100 to 8/100 max via computer is personally not my ideal way to fine tune the ideal volume as well. The minimum starting point is too large swing into the power input. It might sound strong and 'interesting' but i suspect it not as neutral or transparent as those that output lower power per impedance and therefore less impedance curve swing which can affect sound signature It really helps to at least have independent volume control of maybe 60 to 100 steps, so its not dependent on phone apps and can also be used via Android or Mac, and gives headroom for minimum starting point and for the huge power output swing to be controlled better, otherwise i believe it becomes detrimental for simple IEM user?
Thank you for adding mic support info for dongles. I have put an order for VE ODO based on your review and mic support. How can we compare power of a dongle given in mW to Vrms?
No worries. I don't have the means to measure power numbers, so I only depend on what the manufacturer publishes on the spec sheets. On my own end, the most practical way to test power is to spend time listening to them with different headphones and IEMs and observe how the published numbers pit against the actual results, that's the essence of #donglemadness
Thanks, ODO actually a bit more resolving with micro details but also brighter and less analog. KA11 of course seemingly double the power of what ODO capable of
Hello Uncle Andy, Thanks for a very informative and useful review (as always). I'm thinking of getting this KA11 dongle. The issue is I'm worried about the battery drain on my phone. By the time i get home from work and have time for listening to music, my phone battery is already 5%. Any suggestion to solve this? Is there a USB adapter that I can charge my phone while listening to music using the KA11 on my phone? Is there good sounding dongle that allows you to charge your phone while listening to music using a USB dongle? Thanks in advance!
Don't call me uncle, I don't feel like dying yet hahahaha. If you are concerned about battery drain, then I would recommend get Venture Electronics ODO instead, slightly better sounding, cheaper, does not drain battery a lot and support MIC, lighter too, go for KA11 only if you need more power to drive more demanding stuffs, for efficient IEMs, ODO is a better choice
Hello Andy, in a few days im going to buy kiwi ears cadenza, and i have small budget (around 20 dollars) for a dongle, what would u recommend, and is there any better iems than cadenza in its budget(40-50 dollars) ?
Thanks for the review. I just got one myself. Mine arrived by with the 0.8 FW already installed. Honestly, I don't really have any headphones with the impedance to require it, so for me it's overkill for my Truthear Hola's, Phillips SHP900's and my Audiotechnica M40x's, and honestly I'd probably have been better off getting something a bit weaker, with maybe mic support, which was a bit of an oversight in the KA11 I think - or maybe I should just buy higher end headphones. :) As you say, it gets pretty hot, which indicates maybe some inefficiency, so I'm hoping a newer FW is released to address that, maybe by throttling the output power a bit, or at least giving us the option of doing so when required. That said, honestly, it sounds so good and is so compact, being basically the same size as my Baseus USB C to 3.5 mm adapter that doesn't even have any chips in it at all, that it is hard to complain. Having all that power has a quality all its own in the presentation of the music. It's not just the power, but how it delivers it.
Hi Mr. Andy, I recently got the FiiO FD3 Pro IEMs, I want to use it with both my android phone and my desktop computer Should I get the FiiO KA13 for the 4.4mm BAL or is the KA11 enough? do you suggest any other options?
Hi Andy . Im using iPhone 15 and Apple Music . Planning for truthear gate IEM . Confused between ifi go link vs fiio KA11 .. what’s your pick if u need a great sound richness
If you want sound richness alone it's GO Link, but GO Link is not as resolving as KA11. In the long run, for Truthear Gate, better pair it with KA11, Gate could use the help from KA11 with resolution
Right now my planar iem ARTTI T10 I'm using audiocular d07 50% volume is good enough for most of my FLAC flies do you think ka11 would add anything more Andy?
Hi Andy, will the KA11 drive the aux input in my car. I primarily enjoy my music in the car streamed through Tidal (wired connection via 3.5mm aux in) and don't see myself getting headphones. Just wondering if this would be an improvement over my standard setup
Yes it can, you connect the KA11 using 3.5mm interconnect to the AUX and you get to enjoy your Tidal streaming on your car speakers. How good is it? It depends on what you comparing it to, if your car system is Harman Kardon or Bowers & Wilkin of course KA11 can't compete with those, but I guess it is better than most stock car systems
My Audi has stock hifi set up... Its decent enough for my 1-2 hour commutes (each way)... So audio enjoyment is pretty much critical (and a tumbler of coffee)... hoping the KA11 will enhance the experience. Will purchase and report back my experience 😊
i have a side question since you live in KL, is it more or less expensive to live in Johr Baru or Penang ? which city/district would you prefer besides KL city. since i am planning to move to Malayasia soon. Also any recommendations for good place to demo and buy headphones and iems in KLCC ? P.S. any plans on Dunu Davinci, new Dusk or Meze Alba for review ?
The cost of living in KL is more or less the same to Penang or JB, the three of them considered as major cities. Not sure about KLCC, but you can easily demo IEMs and headphones at Stars Picker and Red Ape in Selangor (same region as KL)
For the full comprehensive table, I am still working on it. The link in the description is just a summary overview. With over 170 dongles it will take a while for me to complete the spreadsheet like what I did on the IEMs list
Yes I did, #donglemadness practically with the first CX31993 when it first appeared unbranded 3 years ago, I was the one that made that dongle so popular to a point that all budget dongles after that were build on CX31993 until today
Hello Andy , is there a huge difference btween the QTX and the MP 145 , I mean..is it worth upgrading. I can sell my MP145 to my friend and get the QTX if it makes a huge difference, the QTX is 250 USD here
Huge difference? not really. The main differences starts with the tuning. MP145 is a traditional V sound curve with prominent emphasis on Lows and Highs, a bit more transient speed and energy, QTX is tuned to edge closer to neutral target, would appear flatter sounding than the colored MP145, QTX is also more transparent like a monitoring headphone. QTX also offers less energy to the PRAT (dynamic transients) but it is still very fast and agile. I love both equally really, when I want that immersive vibrant sound that is smooth and crispy and airy, I use MP145. When I am in the mood for something more relaxed yet resolving, something more transparent, QTX is what I use. Hope this helps
Yes my 2nd unit is already updated to the latest FW. I would assume that FiiO has fixed many issues and it is a good idea to update them as soon as possible
@@donglemadness is there any customer support present for fiio product like the process of update firmware, is this present in your channel , process of fiio firmware update?
Good day sir, i already have tansio mirai X. I want to buy elysium pilgrim. Is that wise to sell my mirai x and replace it with pilgrim? Or should i keep my mirai x if its like side grade upgrade? Thanks in advance sir 🙏
If I want warm super smooth sound, iFi GO Link is what I want, if I want more resolution and details, KA11 is the one to go for, also KA11 has a LOT more power. Two different dongles for different preferences
@@MuhammadYasir-2526 I feel that Golink has a wide soundstage and good amplification. KA11 is a super amp device. You will get maximum output from even any cheap earphones. I used to hear 60% Volume with Wavelet, at the same time with K11 you need 8% Volume only. That much loud with clear sound output. I have both and am so happy with it.
@@krishnaprasad9571 Thank you for the quick reply. I have CX31993 dac amp from KZ. I'll buy ifi golink from your review. I need wide sound stage not loud volume.
It is still limited by Android SRC even after you set the volume in FiiO app, so it makes no difference unless it offers true independent volume adjustment of hardcoded volume adjustment like Ovidius B1 which allows for fine steps even with Android SRC is active
No worries, the warmth is still there, but it does not cause for worry too much especially if you are not driving the dongle at high volume with heavy load. But even so it will still be warmer than other ultra compact dongles, part of a trade off with getting more power inside in such a small form factor
@@donglemadness thanks for the answer.I buyed moon drop dawn pro because of the reviews talk about of the heat..I don't know if its to much worse...but the form factory really it's... Thanks and salute! Pd: sorry again for my terrible English!😅
Not really, unless it touches your skin directly for 1-2 hours then you will get uncomfortable. Class A amps generate more heat and is still pocketable (DACPort HD or Apogee Groove)
@@donglemadness im trying to find a 30-50$ budget dongle and prices on ur list would help allot or maybe you can suggest something? i listen to hip and post rock mostly, so instrumental seperation sound stage wideness is a big thing for me
Care to measure the part with the 3.5mm output? I want to put it in my small IEM case and afraid it won't fit so I would be happy if you could measure it.
@@donglemadness Thank you! That was the only thing stopping me from buying the KA11 but now that I know, I'll be sure to buy it. Unless you know of a similar DAC\AMP dongle without a box (so for example, the HIBY FC6 won't do) you can recommend like Venture ODO \ Moondrop Click \ JCally \ MEIZU Lifeme. I saw the rank list, but since there's no picture, I don't really know which could fit the style I want like those I mentioned. Also, Since you don't have a special rank system, which ones were you most impressed with out of every similar dongle in the 4 stars and up categories? And finally, a suggestion. You should add some extra pointers to the tables like ones you were impressed with, expensive \ cheap (or just the price at the time you check it), form factor, style or any others you can think about.
For the smallest form factor now I like VE ODO the most, it is highly resolving and synergize well with many IEMs especially. But it can also a bit brighter if you connect it to an already bright sounding IEMs. Otherwise KA11 is a surefire choice which is actually shorter in length to ODO overall (just that the 3.5mm barrel is longer). Also, if you want even more compact form factor, the Hidizs SD2 is one very solid option
@@donglemadness Thanks for the reply. The total length is not that important as I can just wrap it around my fingers and put it in the case. I saw the SD2, wasn't a fan of the design. What do you think about the DDHIFI dongles? They're solid and really compact but haven't saw any review on them on your channel
@@donglemadness Thanks for everything. Decided on the VE ODO (cost me 7.5$) and the FIIO JA11 (cost me 11$) just for a comparison sake. Since I have the IFI GO BLU, which you can also use it as a dongle (as well as a wireless DAC & AMP combo), I realized I don't really have a need for a dongle with high driving force and just keeping it simple (for when I just wanna plug my IEMs \ HPs to my phone and be done with it).
Hi Andy, I’m getting the HD600. Will this KA11 be powerful enough for it? I guess it is cause in this video you only need 28/100 when using it. And have you get rid of the problems you encountered before in previous video?
Yes for proper listening loudness, I only needed 28/100 for my HD600. If that's not powerful I don't what else is, lol. No more issues with the replaced KA11
KA5 and KA13 tuned similarly with the sound, technically and quality wise. What you need to decide now, the features beside sound which KA5 has a bit more than KA13. That's why I recommend you watch the video, so that you can get the idea the strength and offerings of each dongles. It is not always about which one the best, it is all about fulfilling your needs based on your requirements and preferences
Good to see another review of this item from you.
You are probably the most consistent reviewer I know for dac dongles.
I was looking into buying this but you're precious review made me take a step back. Hopefully it's better now.
My pleasure
@@donglemadness do u plug it into the usb3.0 or the lighting port? i bought a usb 3.0 to usb c adaptor so can plug it into my PC
Hello Andy,
I recently updated the KA11 to newest firmware, and it works perfectly!
No issues at all...! When I put it in my phone with headphones the volume goes up and down perfectly not having to go to app too loud volume. I was afraid to update firmware but I just did the update. When update in program you have to follow instructions EXACTLY, incl changing the item codes when updating, and don't forget to take out usb and put it in again, then it starts updating..)
Now on 0.08 version
I love the fiio ka11! I really like your reviews, being now your subscriber!❤
(Ps: it doesn't get so hot anymore when just idle)
Glad to hear that and thanks so much for the support!
FiiO JA 11 more budget dongle coming soon cant wait for your review
JA11 is geared for more options with MIC and also a bit more, but it may be not as powerful as KA11
@@donglemadnessit isn't, Mr Andy.
@@donglemadnessIt has also peq integrated, a very interesting feature
Paired with the amazingly cheap FIIO JD1 IEM this little dongle has been my entry into quality sound through my phone. I was absolutely blown away with the sound of a $75 (Aus) rig and a tidal subscription. So rich and detailed, music bought to life and a joy to listen to. This little dongle will now stay in my car ( which has never sounded so engaging ) connected to AUX as I and am patiently waiting for my new FIIO Q11 dac to arrive. I am pretty sure the FIIO FH 3 will be IEMS that I will purchase soon so that I can emerse myself in sub bass.
Love your channel Andy !!
Hey thanks Mate. Cheers! and enjoy the music! 🍻
I love the size and power of the KA11! I am adding it to my wishlist. Fantastic review, Andy!
Thanks!
As usual detailed commanding review
Thanks again!
Thanks for your thoughtful review. I enjoy the KA11 and bought a second one because I enjoyed it so much. It’s not very expensive. I feel it sounds similar to the JCally JM10 (not sure you reviewed this dongle). They sound similar but not exactly the same. To me the JM10 is a little darker sounding. I also feel it sounds similar to the Moondrop Dawn (which I feel is a little brighter than both the KA11 and JM10). I find the Dawn too bright for my taste. All excellent dongles. It’s wonderful to have so many options! It’s all about finding the sound you like. As always, thank you for your time and reviews!
My pleasure. And you are absolutely right, JM10 does appear warmer sounding with overall timbre, and the DAWN a bit more edgy bright (crisper) than KA11. Which makes KA11 something of a dongle to bridge the gap between those two. And of course, the only thing that matters is what you hear, what pleases you the most and having options to switch depending on the moods. 🤘🙏
⭐Hey Mr. Andy, I own the Fiio Ka11 and luving it. Lots of power to run magnetic planar IEM's and headphones, brilliant sound quality. I am getting loud music volume using a Motorola phone volume at 4. I have had zero issues with the amp/dac, running perfectly smooth. Its power output is equal to the Fiio E10K Olympus 2. 😎👍💕
Impressive right? 😁😁
So you updated latest firmware update?
Proud Fiio KA11 owner here. Worth every penny
Wow very nice improvement from fa1 to fa11
As for myself,KA11 was firstly incredible but after used a while and when use usb only or asio mode,the sound itself becomes a little bit harsh in high frequency part which made my ear itching and uncomfortable,meanwhile I found the vocal part seems lower than other parts.Anyway，I finally decide to return it due to the issues I met.AND ALSO thank you for collecting these dongles and give them a fair judge.
My pleasure, and thanks!
Muy buena reseña mi estimado Andy, siempre examinando a fondo los equipos, iría bien con KZ ZS 10 Pro, abrazos.
Gracias, sí, de hecho, KA11 irá bien con KZ ZS10
Day 40 of asking for Fiio ka11 review video.......... Wait what?, it finally happened ♥️♥️♥️ Nice video Andy!!!!
Hi Andy, got my KA11 today and am very happy with it. It drives the aux input in my audi fine. In fact it plays plenty loud with vol at just halfway point. Sound is good too straight out of the box. Just that it now shows up limit of my audi audio setup ... rattling, distortion (had to adjust volume)... Maybe need to upgrade soeakers LOL... On my almost 2 hr commute i think it got better (burn in effect?)... Tried it on my hifi setup in the study (old chinese Dared MP5 tube amp + mordaunt short speakers + target stands) using a QED 3.5mm to phono plugs and hiby app as controller linked to my Tidal acc and it sounds even better ....im a happy camper. Thanks liads bro!
No worries, my pleasure! 🙏
Gonna soon receive mine in a few days and will be pairing it with "ThieAudio Ghost" from Linsoul headphone
Letsssss go!!!!
leeeegs goooo
KA11 drives the KZ PR2 v1 with a bit of headroom to spare, (Sonata HP Pro with extra power "cheat" couldn't). It drives the DC Drop X Aeon Closed just enough, would like more volume but it's more than listenable. (observations via Samsung S20FE Android phone)
Mine came with ver. 0.0.8 out of the box and works fine
I order from aliexpress fio ka11, from seeing your review
Your reviews are next level. Please review the fiio x jade ja11.
I look forward to JA11 too, cheers
Hi Andy, not sure if you've mentioned it before, but I'm wondering what IEM/headphone is used for the Power Drain test throughout your review series?
I did mention a few times, normally I use my Tanchjim ZERO 32 Ohm on 4.4mm BAL cable (a recabled Tanchjim ZERO). But I have also used any other IEMs that offers 32 Ohm of impedance or sensitivity lower than 98 dB (something like Etymotic ER2XR on 4.4mm BAL). When there is no 4.4mm BAL, I will of course use the same IEMs with 3.5mm cable or adapter
Now it's available with 0.08 firmware and it's working fine
Good day. Thank you for so many great videos. I purchased the Fiio Ka11 it sounds great for such a minimal dongle. It does get a little warm and the lack of mic support which you mention on your video. I use it with Sennheiser ie200 with a mic it.I will definitely keeping the Ka11 and use with my Ipad. Do you know of another dongle similar to the Fiio Ka11 with mic support. The Ka11 sound great. Thank you!
With MIC support and actually more resolving than KA11 would be the Venture Electronics ODO, just $5 for that dongle
Great video. Any chance to compare to the Moondrop Dawn pro?
Thanks! DAWN Pro offers a bit more open soundstage and transparency, a little less energetic but both are very powerful in their own rights
seems alot better after the last firmware update
Nice review, this dongle seems really nice. I wonder if I should get one but I have a VE ODO on the way. I'm only using LetShuoer S12 and Takstar 82 at the moment.
Do you know anything about Reiyin DACs, especially the DA-Super? Apparently it uses Cirrus Logic CS8416, has a knob and 3 to 5V power. I'm interested but I can't detailed reviews anywhere.
Thanks. Just to give you a bit of perspective, aside from absolute supremacy with power versus ODO, KA11 would also appear less bright than ODO. ODO has a bit of that brightness due to being analytical with the upper frequency (so you may need to EQ down witt Treble on ODO). KA11 on the other hand would probably not need to EQ
Hi Andy, I've watched both your reviews on KA13 and Ibasso Dc04 pro and I have to say, your videos were excellent. However there's no topic that compares their sound quality side by side, you said the Fiio KA13 is neutral whereas the Ibasso Dc04 pro is a little more analog sounding. My question is: What would be a better choice for the Beyerdynamic DT 880 250 Ohm (It has a 3.5mm non-detachable cable) the KA13 or Dc04 pro?
From Aliexpress, I can find the DC04 pro for 10$ more than KA13.
The KA11 would provide more power than both of these as it is only 3.5mm but I am concerned about the sound quality when I will push it to max.
For this specific headphone, the max volume from these dongles would be:
Dt880 (250) & Fiio KA13: 108.9dB
Dt880 (250) & Ibasso Dc04 pro:108dB
Dt880 (250) & Fiio KA11:110.77dB
I know you get alot of these suggestion questions but I couldn't find an answer to this online. Thankyou!
Thanks. My only experience with DT880 was the 600 Ohm version which I used to tests dongles. The biggest issue with these DT series they come only in SE termination of 6.3mm and 3.5mm, so if you run them on any dongles that have 4.4mm BAL, and use only the 3.5mm side, you are getting only 50% of the power they are capable of (please watch my video on this 4.4mm BAL topic). So, if you want to use DT series with dongles, you would fare better with either HIBY FC6, Questyle M12i or FiiO KA11 or Ovidius B1 all of which are dedicated 3.5mm SE dongles with amazing driving capabilities tested with headphones more demanding than 250 Ohm DT250. Dongles like DC04Pro or KA13 will only be most applicable for headphones which can run 4.4mm BAL
@@donglemadness Thanks, but the Ibasso Dc04 pro can produce 108 dB on these headphones. I will check that video to see the difference in power but even with the SE output, these dongles that I listed can produce close to 110dB. The KA11 is only a bit higher in max decibel output capacity acc to my calculations.
My question is that
1. Is 108-110dB loud enough?
2. Does 1dB or more difference make a huge difference in this loudness range?
3. Do I need more power or loudness capacity for EQ purposes?
If enough what you looking for yes, but I don't recommend these dongles for what they offer on 3.5mm SE, I recommend them for what they can do on the 4.4mm BAL side. Their 3.5mm SE is suited best for highly efficient IEMs. It is like buying a car that can do 4 wheel drive but you choose to use only 2WD for situations what fare better with 4WD
@@donglemadness Yes I agree. Unfortunately the DT 880 does not come with a detachable cable so that is why I am in this dilemma.
Is there a significant difference in overall sound quality of dc04 pro and KA13 or just a subtle difference. I saw that dc04 pro was higher up in your Dongle tier list.
Also the KA11 is not in your list so it can be updated. Thanks once again.
Yes, DC04Pro to me is a better tuned dongle, wide open airy sound and a little better with dynamic articulation
Hi Andy, thanks for the review. I purchased Fiio KA11. Could you please give brief information about the sound filters in the application? Which one would you recommend using?
My pleasure, the tricky thing about this filters, they don't always work and when they do, it depends on how receptive the connected IEMs or headphones are to filters, something which you need to try because the results can vary from one device to another
@@donglemadness Thanks for the response. I hope I will find the suitable one after 500 tries :)
i bought this because of its size/power ratio. tho it sounds good, it's too bright for my liking. also it gets very warm. good thing is i can carry around my planar headphones attached to my smartphone like regular person wearing easy-to-drive 32ohm dynamic driver. no need for desktop dac or bulky dongle.
Have you tried playing with filters? I found the default one to be terrible, but the non oversampling one is perfect for me.
@@krzysztofobodzinski2529 i'm not sure. i've tried all the filters they seem doesn't do much. last i was on min phase slow roll off. it's the combination of fiio's tuning and cs43131, the sound signature was expected.
Hi Andy good review!
what happen if i accidentally max volume on my phone while using KA11,
would my iem broken?
Thanks!. You could blow the drivers if they are super sensitive or low impedance. Be careful!
Good afternoon Dongle Madness, will a review of the Ibasso DC07 PRO be published in the near future?? 😁. Thank youu
Yes already working on it. Thanks
that is some insane power output. the ibasso dc03 pro is around 98mW and I only need to put my Artti R1 at 8-10 windows volume, so using a low impedance device with the KA11 would destroy your ears XD
lol, you get the idea
Ironically, that's maybe why i think i actually prefer relatively lower powered dongle as simple IEM user?
The strong power output seems irrelevant to me or sometimes may even be detrimental as it can actually affect sound signature the same way cables or impedance adapter does the same due to impedance curve swing of IEM esp hybrids with BAs
4/100 to 8/100 max via computer is personally not my ideal way to fine tune the ideal volume as well. The minimum starting point is too large swing into the power input. It might sound strong and 'interesting' but i suspect it not as neutral or transparent as those that output lower power per impedance and therefore less impedance curve swing which can affect sound signature
It really helps to at least have independent volume control of maybe 60 to 100 steps, so its not dependent on phone apps and can also be used via Android or Mac, and gives headroom for minimum starting point and for the huge power output swing to be controlled better, otherwise i believe it becomes detrimental for simple IEM user?
Thank you for adding mic support info for dongles. I have put an order for VE ODO based on your review and mic support.
How can we compare power of a dongle given in mW to Vrms?
No worries. I don't have the means to measure power numbers, so I only depend on what the manufacturer publishes on the spec sheets. On my own end, the most practical way to test power is to spend time listening to them with different headphones and IEMs and observe how the published numbers pit against the actual results, that's the essence of #donglemadness
@@donglemadness i see, thank you!
hi Andy, great review.....as always. just a question how does the KA11 with your beloved VE Odo? i didn't saw it in the comparisson
Thanks, ODO actually a bit more resolving with micro details but also brighter and less analog. KA11 of course seemingly double the power of what ODO capable of
@@donglemadness then the two are going to the wish list. Thanks Andy
I think the VE Odo has enough driving power for me as a small profile solution ;) I do need to pair it with darker buds though or equalize it a bit.
Hello Uncle Andy,
Thanks for a very informative and useful review (as always). I'm thinking of getting this KA11 dongle. The issue is I'm worried about the battery drain on my phone. By the time i get home from work and have time for listening to music, my phone battery is already 5%. Any suggestion to solve this? Is there a USB adapter that I can charge my phone while listening to music using the KA11 on my phone? Is there good sounding dongle that allows you to charge your phone while listening to music using a USB dongle? Thanks in advance!
Don't call me uncle, I don't feel like dying yet hahahaha. If you are concerned about battery drain, then I would recommend get Venture Electronics ODO instead, slightly better sounding, cheaper, does not drain battery a lot and support MIC, lighter too, go for KA11 only if you need more power to drive more demanding stuffs, for efficient IEMs, ODO is a better choice
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How good will Fiio KA11 be Pairing with KZ Castor Bass Version?
They will pair very nicely both of them
@@donglemadness Thank You sooo Much
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Hello Andy, in a few days im going to buy kiwi ears cadenza, and i have small budget (around 20 dollars) for a dongle, what would u recommend, and is there any better iems than cadenza in its budget(40-50 dollars) ?
VE ODO at just $5
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HI Andy
Which media player do you recommend for listing high-quality/lossless audio in Windows?
Foobar2000
@@donglemadness thanks a lot
According to soundstage which will best moondrop dawn pro vs fiio ka11 ❤❤
Soundstage wise, DAWN Pro is wider than KA11
@@donglemadness 😊
Thanks for the review.
I just got one myself.
Mine arrived by with the 0.8 FW already installed.
Honestly, I don't really have any headphones with the impedance to require it, so for me it's overkill for my Truthear Hola's, Phillips SHP900's and my Audiotechnica M40x's, and honestly I'd probably have been better off getting something a bit weaker, with maybe mic support, which was a bit of an oversight in the KA11 I think - or maybe I should just buy higher end headphones. :)
As you say, it gets pretty hot, which indicates maybe some inefficiency, so I'm hoping a newer FW is released to address that, maybe by throttling the output power a bit, or at least giving us the option of doing so when required.
That said, honestly, it sounds so good and is so compact, being basically the same size as my Baseus USB C to 3.5 mm adapter that doesn't even have any chips in it at all, that it is hard to complain. Having all that power has a quality all its own in the presentation of the music. It's not just the power, but how it delivers it.
My pleasure. Enjoy your music!
How come you never got to review Artti T10 planar iems ?
Also Meze Alba Iem is out now
I ma in the process of getting T10
Meze would be a funny review because it comes with a little dongle dac,and knowing this,we got another Messenger type of dongle dac.
Hi Mr. Andy,
I recently got the FiiO FD3 Pro IEMs, I want to use it with both my android phone and my desktop computer
Should I get the FiiO KA13 for the 4.4mm BAL or is the KA11 enough? do you suggest any other options?
KA11 is already more than enough really. Other options? I personally use Venture Electronics ODO over both KA11 or KA13 now
Hi Andy, how does it compare to other budget dongles like Jcally JM6 Pro in terms of sound quality?
KA11 offers better resolved dynamics vs JM6Pro
Hi Andy . Im using iPhone 15 and Apple Music . Planning for truthear gate IEM . Confused between ifi go link vs fiio KA11 .. what’s your pick if u need a great sound richness
If you want sound richness alone it's GO Link, but GO Link is not as resolving as KA11. In the long run, for Truthear Gate, better pair it with KA11, Gate could use the help from KA11 with resolution
Right now my planar iem ARTTI T10 I'm using audiocular d07 50% volume is good enough for most of my FLAC flies do you think ka11 would add anything more Andy?
You are happy and that's what matters the most
@@donglemadness hahahaha 😂
Mr. Andy, Can you compare it with the kiwi ears allegro? Both look quite promising, I am quite confused which one to go with...
Kiwi Ears Allegro is more powerful and denser/richer sounding, and more analog too. In short, Allegro is warmer sounding than KA11 and smoother
@@donglemadness thank you Mr. Andy, You're the Man ❤️
Hi Andy, will the KA11 drive the aux input in my car. I primarily enjoy my music in the car streamed through Tidal (wired connection via 3.5mm aux in) and don't see myself getting headphones. Just wondering if this would be an improvement over my standard setup
Yes it can, you connect the KA11 using 3.5mm interconnect to the AUX and you get to enjoy your Tidal streaming on your car speakers. How good is it? It depends on what you comparing it to, if your car system is Harman Kardon or Bowers & Wilkin of course KA11 can't compete with those, but I guess it is better than most stock car systems
My Audi has stock hifi set up... Its decent enough for my 1-2 hour commutes (each way)... So audio enjoyment is pretty much critical (and a tumbler of coffee)... hoping the KA11 will enhance the experience. Will purchase and report back my experience 😊
i have a side question since you live in KL, is it more or less expensive to live in Johr Baru or Penang ? which city/district would you prefer besides KL city. since i am planning to move to Malayasia soon. Also any recommendations for good place to demo and buy headphones and iems in KLCC ?
P.S. any plans on Dunu Davinci, new Dusk or Meze Alba for review ?
The cost of living in KL is more or less the same to Penang or JB, the three of them considered as major cities. Not sure about KLCC, but you can easily demo IEMs and headphones at Stars Picker and Red Ape in Selangor (same region as KL)
@@donglemadness thanks for the input, i will keep it in mind 😌
Hello Andy @donglemadness where can I see the updated tables, rated & compared and sound tuning and tonality of the 4 and 5 star dacs ?
For the full comprehensive table, I am still working on it. The link in the description is just a summary overview. With over 170 dongles it will take a while for me to complete the spreadsheet like what I did on the IEMs list
Have you ever reviewed those OEM USB Dongle without brand which usually comes with CX31993/CS43131..?
Or.. do you have any opinion on them..?
Yes I did, #donglemadness practically with the first CX31993 when it first appeared unbranded 3 years ago, I was the one that made that dongle so popular to a point that all budget dongles after that were build on CX31993 until today
Hello Andy , is there a huge difference btween the QTX and the MP 145 , I mean..is it worth upgrading. I can sell my MP145 to my friend and get the QTX if it makes a huge difference, the QTX is 250 USD here
Huge difference? not really. The main differences starts with the tuning. MP145 is a traditional V sound curve with prominent emphasis on Lows and Highs, a bit more transient speed and energy, QTX is tuned to edge closer to neutral target, would appear flatter sounding than the colored MP145, QTX is also more transparent like a monitoring headphone. QTX also offers less energy to the PRAT (dynamic transients) but it is still very fast and agile. I love both equally really, when I want that immersive vibrant sound that is smooth and crispy and airy, I use MP145. When I am in the mood for something more relaxed yet resolving, something more transparent, QTX is what I use. Hope this helps
@@donglemadness Thank you so much
Hi Andy, I want to know if KA11 is suitable for flat signature for bit perfect mode playback.
Yes it does, KA11 just like many well tuned CS43131 dongles offer relatively uncolored output
@@donglemadness Thanks Andy! 👍🏻
Andy. I ordered a Fiio KA 11 LT by mistake. If I use a lightning - USB-C adapter and connect it to a mobile phone, will it affect the sound quality?
For as long as it connects properly and you can use it, I don't think the adapter would impart any quality change to the output
Thanks.
Hello sir now you have updated to latest firmware or not?
What is the recommendation to us for updating latest firmware?
Yes my 2nd unit is already updated to the latest FW. I would assume that FiiO has fixed many issues and it is a good idea to update them as soon as possible
@@donglemadness is there any customer support present for fiio product like the process of update firmware, is this present in your channel , process of fiio firmware update?
Did you try jcally jm30 ?
If yeah, how is it compared to this?
JM39 not yet
Good day sir, i already have tansio mirai X. I want to buy elysium pilgrim. Is that wise to sell my mirai x and replace it with pilgrim? Or should i keep my mirai x if its like side grade upgrade? Thanks in advance sir 🙏
I wish I can help, unfortunately I haven't tried neither Mirai X nor Pilgrim, so I have no idea really
Hey Andy IFI AUDIO GO LINK or FIIO KA11 which one would you prefer?
If I want warm super smooth sound, iFi GO Link is what I want, if I want more resolution and details, KA11 is the one to go for, also KA11 has a LOT more power. Two different dongles for different preferences
@@donglemadness its clear now. Thanks for that. I have combo packs in front of me. which are Fiio JT1+ KA11=$98 AND Fiio JT1 + IFI Go LINK =$ 111.
@@krishnaprasad9571bro what do you ended up with? I have same confusion between ifi golink and ka11.
@@MuhammadYasir-2526 I feel that Golink has a wide soundstage and good amplification. KA11 is a super amp device. You will get maximum output from even any cheap earphones. I used to hear 60% Volume with Wavelet, at the same time with K11 you need 8% Volume only. That much loud with clear sound output. I have both and am so happy with it.
@@krishnaprasad9571 Thank you for the quick reply. I have CX31993 dac amp from KZ. I'll buy ifi golink from your review. I need wide sound stage not loud volume.
have u ever tried the new tempotec sonata bhd with the two outputs 3.5mm & 4.4mm? and which one do u prefer between sonata bhd or ka11? thanks
I haven't tried Tempotec Sonata BHD so I have no idea how it would compare to KA11
Volume management is only 6? It can be changed (60 steps) in the Fiio app. Much better option than nothing like many other dongles like this.
It is still limited by Android SRC even after you set the volume in FiiO app, so it makes no difference unless it offers true independent volume adjustment of hardcoded volume adjustment like Ovidius B1 which allows for fine steps even with Android SRC is active
How does it compare to Shanling UA1+ for CCA PLA 13? :)
KA11 is not as bright sounding as UA1
@@donglemadness which one would you recommend?
What about the heat?,I saw the first review and you where really disappointed.
Thanks!
Pd: sorry for my English!
No worries, the warmth is still there, but it does not cause for worry too much especially if you are not driving the dongle at high volume with heavy load. But even so it will still be warmer than other ultra compact dongles, part of a trade off with getting more power inside in such a small form factor
@@donglemadness thanks for the answer.I buyed moon drop dawn pro because of the reviews talk about of the heat..I don't know if its to much worse...but the form factory really it's...
Thanks and salute!
Pd: sorry again for my terrible English!😅
Is ka11 too powerful for sensitive IEM?
It's okay. KA11 don't have any shouty issues with very sensitive IEMs
Does it generate heat to the point of being uncomfortable if using it on your pocket for example?
Not really, unless it touches your skin directly for 1-2 hours then you will get uncomfortable. Class A amps generate more heat and is still pocketable (DACPort HD or Apogee Groove)
@@donglemadness thank you
Fiio ka13 or ka 11? Which is better in sound quality & loudness?
Outright loudness is KA13 on 4.4mm BAL and sound quality about similar
How do you think about ka11 vs shanling ua1s?
KA11 has more power and better tuned and UA1s
FiiO KA11 vs FiiO KA13
How do they differ in terms of sound only?
KA13 offers more natural timbre
Not as good as the Letshuoer DT03!! Lets go! :)
Can you please add the prices as well on your donglemadness sheet!
I'll work on it. Thanks
@@donglemadness thank you boss for your service!
@@donglemadness im trying to find a 30-50$ budget dongle and prices on ur list would help allot or maybe you can suggest something? i listen to hip and post rock mostly, so instrumental seperation sound stage wideness is a big thing for me
Care to measure the part with the 3.5mm output? I want to put it in my small IEM case and afraid it won't fit so I would be happy if you could measure it.
I measured the 3.5mm side and the dimension is 44mm long with 8mm diameter
@@donglemadness Thank you! That was the only thing stopping me from buying the KA11 but now that I know, I'll be sure to buy it.
Unless you know of a similar DAC\AMP dongle without a box (so for example, the HIBY FC6 won't do) you can recommend like Venture ODO \ Moondrop Click \ JCally \ MEIZU Lifeme.
I saw the rank list, but since there's no picture, I don't really know which could fit the style I want like those I mentioned.
Also, Since you don't have a special rank system, which ones were you most impressed with out of every similar dongle in the 4 stars and up categories?
And finally, a suggestion. You should add some extra pointers to the tables like ones you were impressed with, expensive \ cheap (or just the price at the time you check it), form factor, style or any others you can think about.
For the smallest form factor now I like VE ODO the most, it is highly resolving and synergize well with many IEMs especially. But it can also a bit brighter if you connect it to an already bright sounding IEMs. Otherwise KA11 is a surefire choice which is actually shorter in length to ODO overall (just that the 3.5mm barrel is longer). Also, if you want even more compact form factor, the Hidizs SD2 is one very solid option
@@donglemadness Thanks for the reply.
The total length is not that important as I can just wrap it around my fingers and put it in the case.
I saw the SD2, wasn't a fan of the design.
What do you think about the DDHIFI dongles? They're solid and really compact but haven't saw any review on them on your channel
@@donglemadness Thanks for everything. Decided on the VE ODO (cost me 7.5$) and the FIIO JA11 (cost me 11$) just for a comparison sake. Since I have the IFI GO BLU, which you can also use it as a dongle (as well as a wireless DAC & AMP combo), I realized I don't really have a need for a dongle with high driving force and just keeping it simple (for when I just wanna plug my IEMs \ HPs to my phone and be done with it).
Hi Andy, I’m getting the HD600. Will this KA11 be powerful enough for it? I guess it is cause in this video you only need 28/100 when using it.
And have you get rid of the problems you encountered before in previous video?
Yes for proper listening loudness, I only needed 28/100 for my HD600. If that's not powerful I don't what else is, lol. No more issues with the replaced KA11
@@donglemadness Thank you Mr.Andy. Going to buy one right away! Love your channel so much from Thailand! Keep up your good contents!
Fiio KA11 vs VE ODO for IEMS while gaming?
ODO is more holographic, more suited for gaming
Apart from power, does ka11 come close to the smoothness of 7hz 71?? Or it's too analytical?
KA11 actually has smoother transient than 71 which is focused more on being crispy edged. And it is not overly analytical
@@donglemadnessno, i mean in comparison with the natural akm smoothness across all frequencies?
@@donglemadnessI finally bought fiio ka11 today, it ended up having too much floor noise, ig its a faulty unit. I have applied for a replacement
How is it compared to Penon dongle ( I'm currently using)
Sorry I don't have a Penon dongle to compare
1st
Mine drains my battery alot faster. I use op12. Could this be due to firmware or faulty unit?
Hard to say, could be faulty
"dolphin or whale" xD
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Fiio Ka13 vs fiio ka5 best dac suggest please
May I suggest that you watch my review on KA13? the comparison section does cover on this topic and hopefully will help you to make a decision
@@donglemadness You can't tell which one will be best.
KA5 and KA13 tuned similarly with the sound, technically and quality wise. What you need to decide now, the features beside sound which KA5 has a bit more than KA13. That's why I recommend you watch the video, so that you can get the idea the strength and offerings of each dongles. It is not always about which one the best, it is all about fulfilling your needs based on your requirements and preferences
is it an upgrade compared to apple dongle?
Miles ahead of Apple dongle
I used apple music app only, so i cannot maximize the power of this dongle? 😢
You can still use it without USB exclusive mode, should not be an issue and still have enough power still
@@donglemadness since i cant fully maximize the power of k11, i would stick to my jcally jm6 pro. Btw thanks sir Andy.
Maximum how much ohms does it support
Tested with my Sennheiser HD600 300 Ohm, drives like a charm
ea500 + fiio ka11 is it good?
Yes, they both works great with each other
I'm new at this but will this enhance the sound from my s24 ultra to my ATH -m50x's ?
Yes it will
@donglemadness sounds awesome thanks for getting back to fast! I was worried they wouldn't enhance anything or not do anything
Connects to iPhone with maximum power of 245mW ??
Someone with iPhone should test this