Gear Farewell - Moog Subsequent 37 (Sub37)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- Third episode of my good bye (or see you!...) to very-good gear I've owned but I realized is not for me at this moment.
Today is my monophonic partner during pandemic, mi Moog Subsequent 37 (or Sub37).
It's an incredible machine with lots of features for a "simple" mono(para)phonic synth, but I love to play with two hands and chords. For that I've changed it by his big mother: Matriarch.
In this video I played some arpeggios, slow pads and some noises, all well together with Hologram Microcosm ambient pedal and Strymon Volante delay and, later in the video, Meet Maude Delay and some reverb from Valhalla.
I'm going to miss it for sure, but it's time to make some room.
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I could listen to that for hours. I bought mine yesterday and cant wait to explore that sonic universe
Good luck! It’s an amazing synth
I've almost sold my Sub 37 about 1,001 times... but when I hear that Duo Mode, and hear it dominate a bassline... I just can't let it go. I bought a Minimoog Model D to "upgrade" from my Sub 37... many years later, I still have both. There's just something about the Sub 37.. no matter how many fancy new synths come out, it just has this powerful and fat sound that fits certain contexts perfectly.
I own a Moog Voyager XL and I know what you mean, there's just something about the Sub 37 that stands apart from so many other synths, including so many other Moogs. I love my Voyager, but I definitely have a bit of jealousy (perhaps not the right word, it's not a resentful feeling, just a "this is much fatter than my Voyager" feeling) when I hear the Subsequent 37.
It truly is a fantastic synth. It also looks gorgeous. I'm a huge "I'd own it just for the looks" lover of synths, as well. The Sub 37 has that "just run your fingers over me, click all my buttons, turn my smooth knobs, look at me over and over and gleefully exclaim 'Holy @#$%, this is MY synth!'" aesthetic to it.
It's just an all-around stellar work of craftsmanship.
@@CaidicusProductions The Duo Mode alone is enough to make this synth a legend. Nothing sounds like it. The way the oscillators force their way into the filter is very different than any other (i think because there are overdrive stages caked into the mixer, and then you ALSO have the multidrive available).. it's just the richest sound i ever heard.
Every time I ever consider selling it, I play Duo Mode and then say "oops, never mind!" :P
A model D is a downgrade right? The sub37 is a modern super mono. Well ok, that was a bit daring… model D is top quality. But it’s very limited.
@@oscarvanderburgh9915 Model D is probably the best sounding I have, or ever will, played. It has such an "alive" sound in so many ways. There's nothing like it for sure. It's like the perfect mono synth, except it doesn't have complex modulation options or PWM. (Would be amazing if it had PWM). Plus, you don't have duo-mode or full envelopes.
But when you play it in person, you just forget about all the limitations. Such a great sound.
Just bought one and also scared I’ll never be able to let it go 😂
As a synth player for 40 plus years,I beseech you.DONT SELL YOUR MOOG.PLEASE. 🥲👍🏿
What is the best way to start out learning how to play?
Use just white keys, the arppegiator and filter!
@@music4screensNow that Moog has been bought out, layoffs and firings have taken place manufacturing surely will move over seas.
Long story short quality will surely tank. Making OG Moogs in demand and valuable imo.
I hope I'm able too afford one or two of the nicer Moogs before all that happens.
I sold mine, but two years later I still missed it and bought another one. Nothing sounds like the subsequent
It is something could happen... It happened to me with other gear, I don't discard with sub37 too.
Should I get this one or keep saving and get the mini moog? Help in very conflicted
@@ItalianStalianish Minimoog: iconic instrument, vintage sound, raw power, less modulation, no presets
Subsequent 37: more modern sound, presets, lots of modulation, arp and sequencer
Except for the Sub 37.. 😊
I highly doubt I will figure this out wit the mininova that just arrived. All I intended to make was synthesizer noises like toward the 13:30 mark..... is that possible??
I think all is about hard modulation (high rates) and uses of ring modulation.
The difference here could be how strong are the oscillators. Mininova is wonderful, I’m sure you can get some interesting things.
You do a far better job of demoing and shooting(filming) a synth you're letting go of than I do of synths I've just gotten and have no intention of letting go of.
What an amazing video, brotherman. Thank you for this presentation.
A demonstration of how important is something when you feel it is leaving.
Probably the nicest demo for this synth I've heard so far 🤩 Love all the high end (not just "sub" sounds) and the cool way of using the arpeggiator at the end 😊
Thank you! I think I found some sweet settings for each kind of interpretation. Its arpegiator is one of the most versatile and musical arps I’ve tried out there. Nice to play.
...one of the few synths that are going to stay in my collection. Which is very tiny to be honest🙂Very nice demo!
Thanks! Lovely synth.
How did you get that sound at 5.22? It's amazing!
Just an arp with short decay and Strymon Volante + Hologram Microcosm effect pedals. Thanks!
Audially (Is that a word? LOL!) and visually, this is a great piece of synth kit! I'd make love to it if there was an extra input...HA! Good post!
Sonically?? 😂 Nah, I love audially 😂😂
Nice sounds. It's always a bad idea to sell synths. You will regret selling it, trust me.
Still the best sounding synth I own. Fat subs a filthy leads. easy to fit in any mix.
Agree. It’s still an amazing synth.
i sold my subsequent 37 recently. because i got a vintage 70s model d in mint condition…
both are old and new classics
No synth is perfect to everyone… in a way they are always compromised. For the sub it’s the digital lfo’s that sound horrible at audio rate.., but anything else it does like no other synth. Never sell it.
Sub 37 is a state of the art analog mono synth, but once you hooked up the Hologram Microcosm is another level. Period
Have you bought one again yet?
Not yet. Very happy with my Matriarch. But Sub37 was very pleasant for experimenting with its easy modulation and built quality. Nothing best like it.
I’m thinking to buy another synth, poly this time, but full of modulation, which is the most important feature just after the tone and before the ease of use (interface).
I use the Eventide Space with my Sub 37. It’s quite nice too.
Lovely, lovely piece. I have one, and dont think I could let it go, I have a timeline, it is a great partner for it. How do you feel one year on?
I never should sell it. It was great and even with my beloved Matriarch… this Sub37 is the best built synth I’ve had.
Fantastico, belle ambientazioni, complimenti, 👍🎶
Isn't this more versatile than the Matriarch?
Maybe I need to take another look. With Moog being sold and all, these Moogs might become the "pre-CBS Fenders" of our day....
how the freak did you manage the sublime soundscape at 0800?
Hologram Microcosm and Strymon Volante over the Sub37… really good machines.
I don't get it... you share a fantastic video with wonderful music and sounds... to say you don't want that synth anymore. Of course the Matriarch is a very good synth, but this one sounds gorgeous in your hands.
Oh man… yeah… I needed to close the decision to go further with Matriarch or keep that duophonic synth and the knowledge I got.
Finally I preferred to learn another device and make this video as homenaje for this Moog.
Thanks!
@@music4screens I'm just waiting for your new discoveries and creations then. Great sound, great music. Have a nice trip!!
@M. G. Krøger I’ll do it, specially for Matriarch which is vast in vintage tones, noises, pulses and drones.
I actually get the desire to sell it.. there is something so un-"sexy" about it. That horrible little LCD display and menu straight out of the 90s, the basic sound of one oscillator can be a bit uninspiring, the continuous/variable waveshape makes it really annoying to try to just get a simple PWM (you have to work it out in the like 30% of the knob range.. and likely will still touch the sawtooth a bit.. it's actually a nightmare)... the knob-per-function is amazing, but all the fun modulation stuff takes a lot of "unsexy" work.. routing and futzing with knobs (of questionable resolution)...
When I played the Grandmother in a store.. everything felt LIGHT.. IMMEDIATE.. and it automatically sounded great. I could crank up the mixer levels and get an amazing sound, or bring it down and it was just as good.. whereas the Sub 37 you have to find sweet spots even on just the mixer level (too much and it's overdriven, too little and it's quiety/noisy)... also, when you create a complex patch on the Grandmother it's very satisfying. It feels RAW and almost wildly experimental even when it's a pretty straight-forward patch.. pulling off a cable or pushing a knob by accident leaves you with a feeling like "I wonder what it will sound like" and almost always rewards you..
By contrast, setting up a patch on the Sub 37 gives you a foreboding feeling of 'Don't touch it!!" because you worked so hard to navigate to these microscopic sweet spots to get the sound you got. Only satisfaction comes when you save it... then maybe you go a little nuts with it.
I also find that on the Mother-32 or Grandmother/Matriarch, the sound design exploration feels open and natural, leading you to new ideas each time.. whereas on the Sub 37, the interface sort of leads you to the same kinds of sounds. Despite it being CAPABLE of making many of the same (if not even more complex) sounds.. you just don't tend to explore past the usual muscle memory patches.
But, at the end of the day.... when you're about to sell it for that flashier, sexier new synth.. you just make that one or two go-to patches and then suddenly you realize nothing will ever sound like it. That clumsy old Sub 37 may not feel very modern (like a Pro-3 does) or very fun/exciting (like a Matriarch does) but it's when you make those typical Sub 37 sounds you know and love.. suddenly you realize that nothing will ever sound like that. And it's easy to change your mind and keep it. At least for me anyway.
There will always be the used market... 5-10 years from now, when the dust has settled, you're going to come back to it and say "Why did I ever sell this?!!!" But for now.. I imagine tons are gonna go up for sale.
@@auxorion spot on and relatable.
Volante or Capistan?
Volante.
For me one of the best recreations of tape delays.
I have 6 mono synths but would never ever let my S37 go.
For both-handed chords there are poly synths; a 4-voice paraphonic Matriarch isn‘t ideal in this respect.
Yeah. Agree.
I’m thinking to get a Prophet even after have one in the past.
I wish I hadn’t sole mine TBH. I think I’ll get another one.
Try others, spend time knowing how they work, and, who knows, finally could take another 37...
Amazing - I think you might have just convinced me to get one
Hehehe. Probably the best built Moog. Solid and powerful. I may have it again in the future.
Sounds lovely!
One synth I will not be very likely to let go of.
(Subsequent 37)
It has everything I need in a monophonic synth and I really need the presets too for live performing.
It's not perfect, but brings a smile to my face every time I play it.
Like no other synth I have.
I did some multitake polyphonic stuff with it. So yes, I'd better get 4 and chain them for polyphonic usage ;P
But that would get huge and expensive too, so I got the Peak instead (to complement the S37)
:)
Thanks! Nice complement. Peak was one of my option but I’m looking for a Prophet instead.
@@music4screens No problem!
Yeah, that’s a nice one too.
I had my eyes set on a Peak, but I think we are blessed with so many good synths these days.
Absolutely agree.
Learn and focus on your current machines is a challenge. GAS is always watching us!
@@music4screens Dive deep, not far!
That's absolutely magnificent.
Thanks!
Incredible sound creation
beautiful sounds and patterns
Thank you!!
Stunning demo of this synth man. 👏👏👏🎶🎶
Thank you!
It soundslike an awesone synth, I bet you miss it a lot! Of course the Matriarch is a cool synth too, but it's just a whole different ballgame, I imagine.One can't really replace the other.
Anyway enjoy the matriarch!
Thanks for your words.
Matriarch will be a new episode!
que maravilla de sonidos 💓💖💞❣❤
Gracias!
How do you like your Matriarch now? I have a Sub 37 too but debating selling it for a Matriarch
It’s difficult to answer…. I miss Sub37 in a way I had never though. Wood, digital control, cutoff knob resistance, the angles control panel… and the most important factor: the limitations. That’s the most inspiring way to get more from your gear.
But, yeah, Matriarch is Moog sound with that whole of possibilities from Modular, including integration with your rack.
Spend the time with Sub37 and enjoy it while you have it. Tomorrow will be another day.
@@music4screens Just save up and buy the sub 37 again, bro. What’s really important in this short life we have? Enjoy your time to the fullest!
A wise man once said: “Life moves pretty fast. If you don’t stop and look around every once in a while, you’ll miss it.”
@@79Glitch to each his own.
@@music4screens it’s all about maximizing limitations. Our favourite music and art was created within the confines of set parameters because of the technology that was available at the time. The Subsequent37 is the Moog I always wanted and it drivers, despite its set backs.
Great Jam!
Is there a 4, any CV out expansion for the Subsequent 37
The silver subsequent 37 cv has the outs but there’s not many out there
nice. well done!
Thank you!
pure dripper !
brilliant
Thank you!
this combo, with the Microcosm... is stunning............
Microcosm is amazing. I thought to sell it but after some opportunities it shines on 90% of audio sources. The ambient fx machine.
I hear you......I've uploaded quite a few Microcosm vids myself.......
@@willswitchcraft yeah! I’ve just watched! Great review!!!
cool.....thanks for taking the time (to watch and comment)
@@willswitchcraft great channel, just subscribed :)
I regret selling mine emotionally. It’s beautiful and characterful. But I haven’t the space for such limitations. It was replaced with a pro 3 SE.
That Pro 3 is a beast!
Interesting. I always wonder if I could get a Pro 3 to do all that the Subsequent can do.
fantastic ! point
but very important to know the effects coming from powerfull external end also software support. great vid !!