I don’t understand how the people “with the broadest shoulders” turns out to be pensioners and the disabled claiming benefits? I am genuinely bewildered.
@@KidsMachinesI would make a guess that you are not one of the pensioners who will be making a choice between heating and food, or a disabled person totally dependant on the state?
You'll need to wait for the budget to see how those with the very broadest shoulders get on, bear in mind the ones with the very broadest shoulders won't be hit as for all there bluster on "make the rich pay more" they know that the top 1% of tax payers can't be made to pay more for 2 x reasons, firstly they pay circa 30% of all income tax collected already thus they are paying there way, secondly you put there tax up for every 5 that pay it 1 x will simply move to a different territory and you'll lose all the tax they pay which will more than offset the extra you collect from the ones that remain thus a false economy. Ref the pensioners being means tested (in effect) ref winter fuel allowance, its a bit like the nurses who were having to visit food banks because they couldn't afford to go shopping, lots of media about it but try finding someone who actually knew a nurse who went to a food bank....you'll struggle as there is no reason for anyone in nursing to visit a food bank, there pay is more than sufficient to live even at basic levels and frankly the nurses I know (and I know a few, my ex partner worked in the NHS in Manchester as an STR worker) generally are pretty flush given the money they get for being a band 6 and above plus the seemingly inexhaustible amount of overtime they have available to them if they want it to bolster there incomes. So the pensioners who won't get the winter fuel allowance, I'm not saying there aren't some edge cases of folk who will struggle but by and large if they don't qualify for pension credits there not going to miss a few hundred quid, my Mum is 72 and doesn't qualify for pension credits and she is apoplectic about missing the winter fuel allowance, but as I stated to her does she really feel she needs the fuel allowance? Is she really going to not put her heating on when it get's cold? And the answer was no, because much as she feels she should get it it makes no real difference to her life or her ability to put the heating on. In truth this is more about principle than about practicality as to why people are outraged, for me labour should have left the fuel allowance in situ this year and taken this next year after they've demonstrated in the next budget (or two) that the better off are the ones who are going to carry the bulk of the burden ref the heavy lifting of paying for the rectification they are promising to the country and its public services, I'm a 40% tax payer, I fully expect to be hit at that level and will be pleased if it only get's put up by 1% (I'm expecting 2%), of course i'm not in the top 1% of tax payers and I can't simply pack up my bags and sod off to another non UK territory to protect my income from the tax rise (can't afford it and can't afford to retire either..!). Not saying labour have gone about this the right way but I think they are simply getting all of the bad stuff out of the way first, think they should have spread the pain about a bit more and started somewhere else before hitting the pensioners for there contribution.
@@neils1952 The random, baseless, argument that if they're taxed more they'll simply leave has been debunked, multiple times. Most of them don't have a huge amount of liquid assets. So them leaving would entail them needing to sell everything, at market price. Since your first paragraph is based on a lie, tldr, the rest.
Mick Lynch is worth his weight in gold as far as I´m concerned ! He never ducks the chance to tell the media how it really is ! The issue of progressive and fair taxation is the only thing that matters ! The right wing press will only put up with a left wing govt as long as they don´t mess with their tax advantages.
Mick Lynch and his like are propularist dreamers who left to them would have the country bankrupt and stagnating, 10% plus pay rises every year and when the country's bankrupt he'd blame the government saying its there fault for not promoting Britain correctly in the world marketplace. Holding us all to ransom with his overpaid train drivers demanding silly pay rises (despite the train drivers getting a 39.4% pay rise between 2012 and 2022, that's 13% above the average for the country and around 17% more than public sector workers over the same period). You'll note that they've accepted the pay deal now that was on the table from the Tories, the difference being that Labour have just given them a pay rise and not dealt with the issue of the Train driver contracts which currently mean all weekend train services are subject to overtime working at drivers discretion, the Tories had asked that the pay deal include discussions about addressing that ridiculous situation and changing contracts such that some drivers would be rota'd to work weekends to secure services but no chance of course, Mick isn't going to let his members lose there guaranteed overtime and his unions ability to cause disruption at the drop of a hat by simply applying a work to rule when they don't get there own way. Saying that you think he's worth his weight in gold, look forward to more strike action next year when they ask for more than the government can afford and disrupt the train services again (by quite simply not volunteering for overtime) or worse with actual industrial strike action...
I wouldn't be at all surprised if corporate interests would be waiting in the wings to fill that gap left by the unions if the unions ditched Labour. Then we'd be even more screwed!
If this turns out to be Austerity Labour under a different name God help those who are already struggling. Growth and an Austerity package do not work together. If it turns out they avoid those with the most broadest shoulders and target the ordinary, god help this country and god help the Labour party. We have heard from Reeve and Starmer at the Labour party conference and frankly I am non the wiser apart from Reeves reminds us again she is the first female chancellor and Starmer's sister is a carer !
It will go through as the Unions are looking for pay rises for their members. Lisa Nandy stands by the Labour Government with the 5.5% pay increase for the Nurses. She mentioned this in an interview with one of the media groups. Train drivers are looked at better than people who are Nurses who save and treat our illnesses. Whereas a train driver sits in his cab and watches his computerized train.
@@robertdavies8305 Lisa Nandy is the Secretary of State for Culture, Media & Sport. Why is she talking about nurses’ pay? That’s Wes Streeting’s job. She should get on with her own job.
@markmac9515 Enough to give them a majority of 167 .You lot would not be complaining if the boot was on the other foot if Farage or the Tories had won with a similar majority with 30 plus per cent of the vote .It's a winner takes all first past the post system so please turn down the volume from 11 to 2 and deal with it .
We need to stop calling them "pay rises", in the context of the high inflation we've seen recently, how long wages have lagged inflation, how well corporate profits are doing. They're not pay rises, they're reversing pay cuts.
@@johnwright9372 The Tories were never going to get back in. I'm a traditional labour voter and this iteration of the labour party doesn't represent traditional labour values. I didn't want Blair back in power that's for sure.
I disgusted in Labour, they dont represent the working class, just because Kier Starmer harps on about hw hard he had it as a kid, does not mean he has the heart or mind of the working class......Nadine Dorries or Cherie Blair both from my neck of the woods, oe has dropped the accent, the other is a Borris Johnson fan boy.......he's worse as pretends to be our representative but action speak louder than works, he will go down as a weak priminster, dont get be started on the new Chancellor of the Exchequer OMG a nutcase!
So I'm not against increasing income tax, the most collectable tax, and the fairest mechanism for getting money into the coffers when you need it, and for goodness sake, put up NI back to 12%. I paid 12% all my life, O don't see why other people coming in behind me are getting away with just 8%. It's not rocket science.
No, they didn't. However, under Tory austerity many thousands of people died unnecessarily, many of them elderly. It was so abhorrent, the UN rapporteur issued a report stating UK austerity was an "ideological project causing much pain and misery" calling it "punitive, mean-spirited and often callous". Neoliberalism is the ideology and this Labour government, under the "fiscal rules" boondoggle is continuing the same practice. There's a reason George Osborne called Reeves "mini-me".
@headgirlblues Absolutely well said!!! Thousands of disabled people died and alot of suffering caused by the tories and now the red tories want to to it again. They are both disgusting!!
My great grandparents voted in the first Labour government 100 years ago. I’ve voted my last time for them unless something radically changes over the next 5 years.
@@jonnobloggs8642 You obviously have no knowledge of the history of the British left, particularly the working class socialist left. They have always been opposed to Britain’s membership of the neoliberal EEC/EU from the very start. Mick Lynch’s legendary predecessor at the RMT the late Bob Crow used to refer to the EU as a “neoliberal capitalist nightmare”. O’Brien is well aware of this, but of course he rarely mentions it as it wouldn’t suit his bourgeois liberal left audience.
@@jonnobloggs8642You obviously know very little about the history of the British left, particularly the working class left, and their attitude to the EEC/EU.
@davidpryle3935 I know a wee bit comrade .Sir Anthony Wedgewood Benn ,Michael Foot , Peter Shore and some young bloke called Jeremy were fervent Brexiteers and part of the NO phalange in the 1975 Common Market referendum .The sensible YES alliance of Wilson ,Jenkins , Heath and Healey made a more persuasive argument to Remain and won with a resounding victory .The left of the Labour party are great bedfellows along with Farage and the alt Tory right when it comes to suspicion of centralised control from Brussels . Now do I get a gold star on my jotter for that answer
Chancellor Rachel Reeves earns around £160,000 a year as a Government Minister. I survive on a state pension of £12,000 a year ... and she says SHE had to make difficult decisions. Well, now I have difficult decisions to make: FEED and FREEZE or keep the heating on and STARVE this WINTER! I am really NOT looking forward to the next few months ... if I make it. I SHALL NEVER VOTE FOR LABOUR AGAIN!
Isn't this a tad preemptive? Even my dad is waiting to see what comes out in the budget. I hope they pull a flanker and you've all been watching the left hand when you should have been watching the right hand
Come on, how can you think that you wouldn't be getting more austerity. Labour or Tories, it wouldn't matter what party is in power. Britain shot itself in both feet, both hands, and in the torso, and if you're not going to bleed out, you're going to feel austerity. I don't even live there and I knew that. I wish the British people luck. You all deserve better
I have been reading the comments and amazed at some of the negative comments particularly those refering to pensioners. Just how broad do reckon there shoulders are? Yes there are pensioners who dont need the allowence but there are a lot more who need it and no matter at what point you set the level there will always be a number greater than number of millionairs. A huge number live in their own properties an asset that does not pay the bills. Raises the question why start with pensioners what about tax avoidance. in offshore banks. Companies regiteres in other countries so they dont pay any tax. Or, make huge profits from investements but dont pay the same level of the normal wage owner pays. Yes sort out pensioners later butin the list for BROAD SHOULDERS they are not top of the list.
What a wasted opportunity when the presenter could have asked serious policy related questions instead of flogging a dead sandwich joke to death. Very poor.
Labour used water industry analysis to argue against nationalisation ‘Economically illiterate’ Defra letter sent to anti-sewage groups cites 2018 report commissioned by water companies
What a mealy mouthed hypocrite is Mick Lynch. Everyone observant and with a brain knew what a Starmer government would be, but Mick "I'm for a general strike but it's up to the TUC (who never will) to call one" Lynch told the electorate to "grow up a bit" and vote for Starmer. So much for Lynch's "realism," now we've rgot a tory government under a Labour cover.
I suppose Mick had no choice but to publicly believe what Labour was saying prior to the elections, but dod he teally think they would be much different if any at all? The Labour Party does not represent the interests of labor; quite the opposite.
Overpaying your union cronies is hardly taking the moral high ground though is it Mick? Who cares about freezing grannies so long as the train drivers get overpaid.
Just the same party again. The working classes need to rise up against the political establishment, as we continue to support the richest in society whilst we are second class citizens.
The wealth of billionaires in the UK has risen by 1,000% since 1990. The richest 1% possess more wealth than the poorest 70%. 2 per cent wealth tax on assets over £10 million could raise up to £24 billion annually. Equalising capital gains and income tax rates would generate an additional £17bn. Ending subsidies to fossil fuel companies and closing loopholes in the oil and gas windfall tax could raise another £4bn. Altogether, these measures would generate £45bn
Starmer said it on your radio channel.He is kissing Tories, he said ..but now on their butts too. She is not well versed.Showing everyone has their price. Otherwise she would run a mile from Times !!
I see red the same as blue, The same as red, or blue to blue. I see no yellow, orange, green, independent is neither heard nor seen. They’re all the same, these reds, them blue, I’ll leave the voting up to you.
Austerity is a choice as the government owns the Bank of England and any need for day to day spending can always be financed. Britain owns £680 billion of US debt (they owe us £680. Billion) so there is no black hole. Austerity means less money for people to spend in the economy which means lower growth.
Tories didn't touch this policy for a over a decade. A question that begs to be answered is why now? To run the party into the ground? Make way to reform and or a Tory/Reform hybrid?
@takethebread794 that's like saying if Corbyn had served that plate of fish and chips instead of Farage I might have eaten it . There were several industries which were nationalised ( shipping / aviation) when we were in the Common Market.
Didn't the Labour government give the rail workers their pay rise ,straight away ,after getting nowhere for years during when the tories were in government NOW here you are condemning labour Please shut up my good man
Whether we have austerity all depends on how you define it. If you mean public sector spending falls then we have not really had austerity since 2000. If you public sector spending after adjustment for inflation then again there has barely been austerity since 2000 (2011-20 inflation average about 1% pa and spending rose by about a similar level) It is only when you look at public spending per capita adjusted for inflation - a measure that I personally agree with but virtually no one ever quotes - do you see austerity but the issue here is that increase in UK population is almost totally driven by net immigration and whilst I believe that immigration is good for the economy I am pretty sure I am in a minority on that one
Starmer is funded by billionaires endorsed by the people with the wealth he is not going to tax them. Workers already pay far too much tax, wealth owners pay virtually nothing. This incredibly unfair tax system is in need of a total overhaul. If those with the most wealth or earn through passive income from their assets rather than those of us who work and earn a salary start to contribute to the tax system we could overhaul our public services completely
They are basically the same thing, only Labour are slightly nicer and won't suggest conscripting your kids or forcing them to be free labour in the NHS. That's pretty much the only difference. Both Labour and Conservatives run on the principle model of "Capitalist Conservatism" which basically means being a Conservative until the act of being more liberal about something would be a financial advantage. For example, we see the Tory party championing (or virtue signalling) their "diverse" selection of PM's and high-ranking officials, which is not a typical conservative value. However the Tories know that by "accepting" (tolerating) more types of people, there are then more people to make money off by pandering to them.
@@stephenmurray2851 that's how governance and government work mate, money only exists so those in power have something to collect under the premise of protection and law and order, same as a mafia
"I don't know why they aren't using these levers" It's all down to whose interest you serve and presently, wealthy businesses are those paying the piper. While the media were banging on about clothes, glasses and gigs, a £4m donation from a hedge fund registered the Cayman Islands to Labour emerged. This week, a woman from said hedge fund found herself in a plum position as "climate envoy" with Labour. Triples all round as they say...
Maybe Mr Lynch could hand back some of those pay rises for his members…no? I don’t believe he should, but I do know many Pensioners don’t need the WFA. I also know many young families need extra help.
@@eckie4679 where’s the whataboutery? Did the new government just help to settle several industrial disputes with the unions, his included? I respect Lynch but this sounds like someone making the right sound bites.
@@M2Mil7er less than 100 days, yet nothing but condemnation! I expect it from the right, they’re bitter, I expect it from the left, I hope the centre win, we’re the true logic!
@@M2Mil7er I agree, to a degree, but the national debt must be addressed. We accrue £89B at present, if we bring the debt down, we can concentrate on those who truly need it, the most vulnerable in our society, many many pensioners are not vulnerable, many many children are.
A significant change in the UK is unlikely in the near future. Here's why: The two-party dominance and first-past-the-post voting system resist meaningful reform. Powerful lobbies and wealthy individuals benefit from the status quo and resist change. British society continues to cling to tradition, making radical changes difficult. Dealing with the consequences of Brexit will continue to dominate political attention and resources. Polarized media outlets reinforce existing divisions rather than promoting unity for change. Many talented individuals leave the UK, reducing the pool of potential change-makers. The national debt and ongoing economic challenges limit the government's ability to invest in major reforms. Both Conservative and Labour administrations have made short-sighted decisions prioritizing short-term political gains over long-term national interests. Without a major crisis or significant shift in public consciousness, the UK is likely to continue muddling through its current problems rather than implementing transformative change. The issues are deeply rooted and systemic, making quick or easy solutions improbable.
Mick is showing the standard policy of the Labour Party. Tax and spend. Take YOUR money and spend it on something else. Now hopefully that is something you agree with and see value in, but when you give £10 billion overseas to combat climate change then you have to question things. What we saw when proper labour was in during the 70s was that high taxation dosnt mean high collection. What it did mean was lots of the rich buggered off, lots of the well paid high skilled people buggered off and we sat in a Country that had strike after strike. When New Labour brought in the minimum wage it was paid for out of the median wages. So you start out higher but as you climb up the money isn’t there. You arnt going to get into the board room generally so people have gotten poorer. It’s a slow decline for the UK. Even rejoining the EU wouldn’t stop it but accelerate it. Labour won’t do anything to make anything better, just move more money out of your pocket into the hands of the public sector.
I don’t understand how the people “with the broadest shoulders” turns out to be pensioners and the disabled claiming benefits? I am genuinely bewildered.
So well said Linda!!!
They are the only people with anything left after 14 years of austerity
@@KidsMachinesI would make a guess that you are not one of the pensioners who will be making a choice between heating and food, or a disabled person totally dependant on the state?
You'll need to wait for the budget to see how those with the very broadest shoulders get on, bear in mind the ones with the very broadest shoulders won't be hit as for all there bluster on "make the rich pay more" they know that the top 1% of tax payers can't be made to pay more for 2 x reasons, firstly they pay circa 30% of all income tax collected already thus they are paying there way, secondly you put there tax up for every 5 that pay it 1 x will simply move to a different territory and you'll lose all the tax they pay which will more than offset the extra you collect from the ones that remain thus a false economy.
Ref the pensioners being means tested (in effect) ref winter fuel allowance, its a bit like the nurses who were having to visit food banks because they couldn't afford to go shopping, lots of media about it but try finding someone who actually knew a nurse who went to a food bank....you'll struggle as there is no reason for anyone in nursing to visit a food bank, there pay is more than sufficient to live even at basic levels and frankly the nurses I know (and I know a few, my ex partner worked in the NHS in Manchester as an STR worker) generally are pretty flush given the money they get for being a band 6 and above plus the seemingly inexhaustible amount of overtime they have available to them if they want it to bolster there incomes.
So the pensioners who won't get the winter fuel allowance, I'm not saying there aren't some edge cases of folk who will struggle but by and large if they don't qualify for pension credits there not going to miss a few hundred quid, my Mum is 72 and doesn't qualify for pension credits and she is apoplectic about missing the winter fuel allowance, but as I stated to her does she really feel she needs the fuel allowance? Is she really going to not put her heating on when it get's cold? And the answer was no, because much as she feels she should get it it makes no real difference to her life or her ability to put the heating on.
In truth this is more about principle than about practicality as to why people are outraged, for me labour should have left the fuel allowance in situ this year and taken this next year after they've demonstrated in the next budget (or two) that the better off are the ones who are going to carry the bulk of the burden ref the heavy lifting of paying for the rectification they are promising to the country and its public services, I'm a 40% tax payer, I fully expect to be hit at that level and will be pleased if it only get's put up by 1% (I'm expecting 2%), of course i'm not in the top 1% of tax payers and I can't simply pack up my bags and sod off to another non UK territory to protect my income from the tax rise (can't afford it and can't afford to retire either..!).
Not saying labour have gone about this the right way but I think they are simply getting all of the bad stuff out of the way first, think they should have spread the pain about a bit more and started somewhere else before hitting the pensioners for there contribution.
@@neils1952 The random, baseless, argument that if they're taxed more they'll simply leave has been debunked, multiple times.
Most of them don't have a huge amount of liquid assets. So them leaving would entail them needing to sell everything, at market price.
Since your first paragraph is based on a lie, tldr, the rest.
Always good to listen to Mr Lynch. Sensible, measured, focused and seems a very decent bloke.
Reeves is going in the wrong direction just like she did in 2015 she really does not have a clue
Moreover, she has the most awful sounding voice. Ugh !
Attacking the sick and disabled again
Yes... They said those with broad shoulders should be hit first, instead they hit the pensioners... Absolutely despicable....
Following in Tory footsteps, continuation of Tory, pro billionaire, pro corporate, anti-working class policies
Excellent as always Mick 👏👏👏
Solidarity ✊️
Mick Lynch is worth his weight in gold as far as I´m concerned ! He never ducks the chance to tell the media how it really is ! The issue of progressive and fair taxation is the only thing that matters ! The right wing press will only put up with a left wing govt as long as they don´t mess with their tax advantages.
@@johnxxx5085 I agree
Mick Lynch and his like are propularist dreamers who left to them would have the country bankrupt and stagnating, 10% plus pay rises every year and when the country's bankrupt he'd blame the government saying its there fault for not promoting Britain correctly in the world marketplace. Holding us all to ransom with his overpaid train drivers demanding silly pay rises (despite the train drivers getting a 39.4% pay rise between 2012 and 2022, that's 13% above the average for the country and around 17% more than public sector workers over the same period).
You'll note that they've accepted the pay deal now that was on the table from the Tories, the difference being that Labour have just given them a pay rise and not dealt with the issue of the Train driver contracts which currently mean all weekend train services are subject to overtime working at drivers discretion, the Tories had asked that the pay deal include discussions about addressing that ridiculous situation and changing contracts such that some drivers would be rota'd to work weekends to secure services but no chance of course, Mick isn't going to let his members lose there guaranteed overtime and his unions ability to cause disruption at the drop of a hat by simply applying a work to rule when they don't get there own way.
Saying that you think he's worth his weight in gold, look forward to more strike action next year when they ask for more than the government can afford and disrupt the train services again (by quite simply not volunteering for overtime) or worse with actual industrial strike action...
So true!!
He talks but never acts.
Thats why many people don’t like him. He tells like it is.
We have been shouting about liebour being tories for ages
The Unions need to threaten to abandon Labour or be dragged into the downward spiral Starmer is fast leading the party!
Unions are turn coats, hypocrites.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if corporate interests would be waiting in the wings to fill that gap left by the unions if the unions ditched Labour. Then we'd be even more screwed!
The corporations already are the biggest contributors to Starver’s labour
@@Tulkash01 quite right, they attend government meetings to scheme with them and give the ministers free benefits...
Or form a separate party.
Seems like the 200 billionaires can sleep soundly, doesnt it!.
We got the Tories out of govt; now we need to get the Tories out of Labour!
Don’t stand up and shout Mick you will get manhandled out 😵
If this turns out to be Austerity Labour under a different name God help those who are already struggling. Growth and an Austerity package do not work together. If it turns out they avoid those with the most broadest shoulders and target the ordinary, god help this country and god help the Labour party. We have heard from Reeve and Starmer at the Labour party conference and frankly I am non the wiser apart from Reeves reminds us again she is the first female chancellor and Starmer's sister is a carer !
God help us indeed under continued Tory policies and lies. How much more can we take??!!
The Trade Unions have the power to force the Government to U turn on WFP and I hope they do.
no they actually don't. But its endearing you think so.
It will go through as the Unions are looking for pay rises for their members. Lisa Nandy stands by the Labour Government with the 5.5% pay increase for the Nurses. She mentioned this in an interview with one of the media groups. Train drivers are looked at better than people who are Nurses who save and treat our illnesses. Whereas a train driver sits in his cab and watches his computerized train.
@@robertdavies8305 Lisa Nandy is the Secretary of State for Culture, Media & Sport. Why is she talking about nurses’ pay? That’s Wes Streeting’s job. She should get on with her own job.
The Unions are dangerously close to being fork tongued. Shouting loud and then meekly accepting the attack on the less well off.
@@Ghengiskhansmum That is their role under capitalism: to act as the wages police, preventing action by their members.
Labour has already fallen out with perfectly good loyal members and MPs Mick and what happened about the democratic broad church?
The right of the Labour Party are authoritarians who fundamentally don't believe in democracy
It never has been democratic or Broadchurch these are soumdbotes to indoctrinate people
Labour need to remember that only about 22% of the electorate voted for them! More like the conservatives lost because of reform.
Regress, not Reform?!
@markmac9515 Give Mark another 6 comments and it will be down to 5% .
@@jonnobloggs8642 How many of the electorate do you think voted for Liebour? it was a really small turnout.
@markmac9515 Enough to give them a majority of 167 .You lot would not be complaining if the boot was on the other foot if Farage or the Tories had won with a similar majority with 30 plus per cent of the vote .It's a winner takes all first past the post system so please turn down the volume from 11 to 2 and deal with it .
@markmac9515
Labour Party doesn't care about the 41 % that didn't even vote,
They're irrelevant unless needed in a war as cannon fodder
I never thought that I would agree with this man.
What have you disagreed before about him ?
Mick always answers the question put to him clearly- never dodged an it- great bloke
We need to stop calling them "pay rises", in the context of the high inflation we've seen recently, how long wages have lagged inflation, how well corporate profits are doing. They're not pay rises, they're reversing pay cuts.
Starmer is a WEF stooge ! What did everyone expect? Change?! Forget it !!
Sorry to say I told you so Mick. You was pushing for Labour and Starver to get into power this is the Labour party you advocated for. 🤷🏻♀️
WHY do we have another party WHO represent workers and the working class?
@@paulbird3235 Yeah it's called the Workers Party of Britain.
@@mysterymaverick1982 Yeah good luck getting them into power, we will be lucky to keep Labour at this rate!.
You wanted to keep tbe Tories? 😂😂
@@johnwright9372 The Tories were never going to get back in. I'm a traditional labour voter and this iteration of the labour party doesn't represent traditional labour values. I didn't want Blair back in power that's for sure.
Mick “ the man”. 👍🏴✊
Labour are being fiscally conservative on day to day spending, but not on capital spending for investment.
I disgusted in Labour, they dont represent the working class, just because Kier Starmer harps on about hw hard he had it as a kid, does not mean he has the heart or mind of the working class......Nadine Dorries or Cherie Blair both from my neck of the woods, oe has dropped the accent, the other is a Borris Johnson fan boy.......he's worse as pretends to be our representative but action speak louder than works, he will go down as a weak priminster, dont get be started on the new Chancellor of the Exchequer OMG a nutcase!
So I'm not against increasing income tax, the most collectable tax, and the fairest mechanism for getting money into the coffers when you need it, and for goodness sake, put up NI back to 12%. I paid 12% all my life, O don't see why other people coming in behind me are getting away with just 8%.
It's not rocket science.
Speak up, all those who have influence, it’s time to come together, bury our differences, and form a solid alternative to this system. Arb
Mick, please, please, please start a party. We need somebody of your character to help us.
Well said Mick
It's not tax in order to spend. It's spend in order to tax.
Mick Lynch is brilliant.
The voice of reason
The unions chose Keir Starmer as Leader of the Labour Party. Did he lie at the interview?
Yes
Starmer had ten pledges when he stood for election as labour leader. He reneged on them all
The establishment chose Starmer as did Arch Tory Rupert Murdoch in the end. If he chooses him it says everything about Starmer and his cronies!
Who chose Michael Foot !! Who chose JC ? Who rejected Michael Foot ? Who rejected JC ? The voters who count….the electorate.
@@californiadreamin8423 The Murdoch Press were behind it
Reeves should listen to the patriotic millionaires and the Mile End Road economists. Tax wealth, black holes closed; growth fostered.
Keep up Mick, most of us knew this stuff before the election.
I like Mick Lynch, but he was a big proponent in supporting this Labour Party, which the real left kept saying was Red Tories before the elections
Shot himself in the foot again. Love his wit and capacity to argue, but he's not on the right side of history again, for that.
As soon as he mentioned Rupert Murdoch and paying more tax her demeanor changed - she turned more jokey and couldn't wrap it up quick enough
That's UK MSM for you.
Took 'em long enough to realise 🙄
Why don't they ever attack the rich Mick why don't they ever go after the rich
but Mick was telling everyone to vote for Labour before the election !
Workers will most likely do better under Labour they usually do. Not under Tories.
nice try acrook. haha
Starmer and his government are a disgrace turned there back on their own. Well I turn my back on you Starmer and co.
We’ve been telling you he is a Tory for the last few years, this is no surprise!!
Mick Lynch as leader of the Labour Party and PM… now there’s a thought!
That's a bit unfair Mick.
The Tories did not cut the winter fuel payments.
They were not that stupid!!
You are correct...
No, they didn't. However, under Tory austerity many thousands of people died unnecessarily, many of them elderly. It was so abhorrent, the UN rapporteur issued a report stating UK austerity was an "ideological project causing much pain and misery" calling it "punitive, mean-spirited and often callous". Neoliberalism is the ideology and this Labour government, under the "fiscal rules" boondoggle is continuing the same practice. There's a reason George Osborne called Reeves "mini-me".
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Tories found a thousand other ways to nick money from the working class.
@headgirlblues Absolutely well said!!! Thousands of disabled people died and alot of suffering caused by the tories and now the red tories want to to it again. They are both disgusting!!
Shocking the New Tory party, the Labour party. Shameful Kier Starmer. 😢
tory policys by tory boy showing his true colours
From a man who supported Sir Apartheid Keith being PM.
To quote The Who; ‘Meet the new boss, same as the old boss’.
My great grandparents voted in the first Labour government 100 years ago. I’ve voted my last time for them unless something radically changes over the next 5 years.
Need to see how the whole lot of things they are doing pans out. No good throwing the baby out with the bath water. Too early days.
But was a big fan of the Tory Brexit.
No, Mick was a Left wing Brexiteer, old school Labour man.
@davidpryle3935 I think that's the worst excuse for voting Brexit I've ever heard .Why don't you phone James O'brien with that whopper .
@@jonnobloggs8642 You obviously have no knowledge of the history of the British left, particularly the working class socialist left. They have always been opposed to Britain’s membership of the neoliberal EEC/EU from the very start. Mick Lynch’s legendary predecessor at the RMT the late Bob Crow used to refer to the EU as a “neoliberal capitalist nightmare”. O’Brien is well aware of this, but of course he rarely mentions it as it wouldn’t suit his bourgeois liberal left audience.
@@jonnobloggs8642You obviously know very little about the history of the British left, particularly the working class left, and their attitude to the EEC/EU.
@davidpryle3935 I know a wee bit comrade .Sir Anthony Wedgewood Benn ,Michael Foot , Peter Shore and some young bloke called Jeremy were fervent Brexiteers and part of the NO phalange in the 1975 Common Market referendum .The sensible YES alliance of Wilson ,Jenkins , Heath and Healey made a more persuasive argument to Remain and won with a resounding victory .The left of the Labour party are great bedfellows along with Farage and the alt Tory right when it comes to suspicion of centralised control from Brussels .
Now do I get a gold star on my jotter for that answer
There's no reasoning with Rachael Reeves because she is a Cyborg
Chancellor Rachel Reeves earns around £160,000 a year as a Government Minister. I survive on a state pension of £12,000 a year ... and she says SHE had to make difficult decisions. Well, now I have difficult decisions to make: FEED and FREEZE or keep the heating on and STARVE this WINTER! I am really NOT looking forward to the next few months ... if I make it.
I SHALL NEVER VOTE FOR LABOUR AGAIN!
Tories never stopped the winter fuel payment so how is this more like tories. Labour are having a mare.
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Tories were a continuous mare. A whole bunch of them!
At what point do we abandon the 'labour' party and start again?
The level of this journalist questions.. honestly, I thought she was a sun reporter
It's a lot of money Mick when the politicians are on 169000 a year plus all this freebies and all this expenses
Mick too late you encouraged the public to vote Labour and you knew what they stood for .Now they have such a lge majority they won't listen
Isn't this a tad preemptive? Even my dad is waiting to see what comes out in the budget. I hope they pull a flanker and you've all been watching the left hand when you should have been watching the right hand
The hamster wheel goes round and round and round….
Come on, how can you think that you wouldn't be getting more austerity. Labour or Tories, it wouldn't matter what party is in power. Britain shot itself in both feet, both hands, and in the torso, and if you're not going to bleed out, you're going to feel austerity. I don't even live there and I knew that. I wish the British people luck. You all deserve better
Mick Lynch for PM
I’ve no time for this Brexiteer.
He’s not coming clean about the mess he voted for is he.
Mick Lynch is an old school Labour man. They have always been opposed to Britain’s membership of the neoliberal European Union.
I have been reading the comments and amazed at some of the negative comments particularly those refering to pensioners. Just how broad do reckon there shoulders are? Yes there are pensioners who dont need the allowence but there are a lot more who need it and no matter at what point you set the level there will always be a number greater than number of millionairs. A huge number live in their own properties an asset that does not pay the bills. Raises the question why start with pensioners what about tax avoidance. in offshore banks. Companies regiteres in other countries so they dont pay any tax. Or, make huge profits from investements but dont pay the same level of the normal wage owner pays. Yes sort out pensioners later butin the list for BROAD SHOULDERS they are not top of the list.
Surprise surprise, Starmer lied again.
What a wasted opportunity when the presenter could have asked serious policy related questions instead of flogging a dead sandwich joke to death. Very poor.
The Times are not a huge Labour supporter! Have to get that Tory angle in.
Labour used water industry analysis to argue against nationalisation
‘Economically illiterate’ Defra letter sent to anti-sewage groups cites 2018 report commissioned by water companies
What a mealy mouthed hypocrite is Mick Lynch. Everyone observant and with a brain knew what a Starmer government would be, but Mick "I'm for a general strike but it's up to the TUC (who never will) to call one" Lynch told the electorate to "grow up a bit" and vote for Starmer. So much for Lynch's "realism," now we've rgot a tory government under a Labour cover.
I suppose Mick had no choice but to publicly believe what Labour was saying prior to the elections, but dod he teally think they would be much different if any at all? The Labour Party does not represent the interests of labor; quite the opposite.
Overpaying your union cronies is hardly taking the moral high ground though is it Mick? Who cares about freezing grannies so long as the train drivers get overpaid.
Just the same party again. The working classes need to rise up against the political establishment, as we continue to support the richest in society whilst we are second class citizens.
Sir Kier promised to not rock the boat.
What did you think that meant ?
The wealth of billionaires in the UK has risen by 1,000% since 1990. The richest 1% possess more wealth than the poorest 70%.
2 per cent wealth tax on assets over £10 million could raise up to £24 billion annually.
Equalising capital gains and income tax rates would generate an additional £17bn.
Ending subsidies to fossil fuel companies and closing loopholes in the oil and gas windfall tax could raise another £4bn.
Altogether, these measures would generate £45bn
Starmer said it on your radio channel.He is kissing Tories, he said ..but now on their butts too.
She is not well versed.Showing everyone has their price.
Otherwise she would run a mile from Times !!
I see red the same as blue,
The same as red, or blue to blue.
I see no yellow, orange, green,
independent is neither heard nor seen.
They’re all the same, these reds, them blue,
I’ll leave the voting up to you.
Austerity is a choice as the government owns the Bank of England and any need for day to day spending can always be financed. Britain owns £680 billion of US debt (they owe us £680. Billion) so there is no black hole. Austerity means less money for people to spend in the economy which means lower growth.
Tories didn't touch this policy for a over a decade. A question that begs to be answered is why now? To run the party into the ground? Make way to reform and or a Tory/Reform hybrid?
Lynch, your union for Labour..or was it for the pay rise?
Otherwise known as plastic toryblairism.
Can I slam Big Mick for voting along with Nigel Farage to leave the EU .
Would have made it easier to nationalise industries outside the EU tho, if Corbyn would have taken us out I'd have voted leave. Not under the Tories
@takethebread794 that's like saying if Corbyn had served that plate of fish and chips instead of Farage I might have eaten it .
There were several industries which were nationalised ( shipping / aviation) when we were in the Common Market.
Both parties are the same,they get rid of anyone in the party who doesn’t want to serve the real masters
Didn't the Labour government give the rail workers their pay rise ,straight away ,after getting nowhere for years during when the tories were in government
NOW here you are condemning labour
Please shut up my good man
Most people on the left saw this coming at least 3 years ago...so Mick Lynch where the f**k have you been.
Whether we have austerity all depends on how you define it.
If you mean public sector spending falls then we have not really had austerity since 2000.
If you public sector spending after adjustment for inflation then again there has barely been austerity since 2000 (2011-20 inflation average about 1% pa and spending rose by about a similar level)
It is only when you look at public spending per capita adjusted for inflation - a measure that I personally agree with but virtually no one ever quotes - do you see austerity but the issue here is that increase in UK population is almost totally driven by net immigration and whilst I believe that immigration is good for the economy I am pretty sure I am in a minority on that one
LINO party (Labour in name only).
No wealth tax, of course not that's what the freebies are for he who pays the piper calls the tune that Starmer dances to
Wasn't Mick the one who told us to grow up and vote "labour" ??
Well they were possibly the best of a bad job.
The Party of FALSE PROMISES labour
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Starmer is funded by billionaires endorsed by the people with the wealth he is not going to tax them. Workers already pay far too much tax, wealth owners pay virtually nothing. This incredibly unfair tax system is in need of a total overhaul. If those with the most wealth or earn through passive income from their assets rather than those of us who work and earn a salary start to contribute to the tax system we could overhaul our public services completely
The media gobs seem to have learnt not to try bodying Lynch any more but still quite a high level of psychosis on display from the presenter.
How muh does the presenter earn? bit of a cheek asking Mick that question i thought, leave our Mick alone
The Conservatives for the last 10 years. Just been socialism with blue rosette
They are basically the same thing, only Labour are slightly nicer and won't suggest conscripting your kids or forcing them to be free labour in the NHS. That's pretty much the only difference.
Both Labour and Conservatives run on the principle model of "Capitalist Conservatism" which basically means being a Conservative until the act of being more liberal about something would be a financial advantage.
For example, we see the Tory party championing (or virtue signalling) their "diverse" selection of PM's and high-ranking officials, which is not a typical conservative value. However the Tories know that by "accepting" (tolerating) more types of people, there are then more people to make money off by pandering to them.
If you support Ukraine don’t complain about funding cuts and the winter fuel allowance. That money has gone to Kyiv
You are never entitled to another persons money. This narcissist premise needs to end.
everyone at the top is there because of everyone else's money, one way or another.
@M2Mil7er that's not true.
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@@stephenmurray2851 that's how governance and government work mate, money only exists so those in power have something to collect under the premise of protection and law and order, same as a mafia
"I don't know why they aren't using these levers" It's all down to whose interest you serve and presently, wealthy businesses are those paying the piper. While the media were banging on about clothes, glasses and gigs, a £4m donation from a hedge fund registered the Cayman Islands to Labour emerged. This week, a woman from said hedge fund found herself in a plum position as "climate envoy" with Labour. Triples all round as they say...
Mick was the one pushing tory economics with Brexit
No, Mick was a Lexiteer. They have never liked Mrs Thatcher’s EU single market.
@@davidpryle3935 Wrong then and wrong in 2016.
@@thecheesefactor Its strange how some people who regard themselves as left wing have become neoliberals.
@@davidpryle3935 Doesn't make sense. If you want to shrink the state you are neoliberal. That is the antithesis of left wing.
Maybe Mr Lynch could hand back some of those pay rises for his members…no? I don’t believe he should, but I do know many Pensioners don’t need the WFA. I also know many young families need extra help.
Stupid whataboutery nonsense
@@eckie4679 where’s the whataboutery? Did the new government just help to settle several industrial disputes with the unions, his included? I respect Lynch but this sounds like someone making the right sound bites.
and they should get help too. It's possible, but some make political capital out of pitching people against each other. Don't fall for it.
@@M2Mil7er less than 100 days, yet nothing but condemnation! I expect it from the right, they’re bitter, I expect it from the left, I hope the centre win, we’re the true logic!
@@M2Mil7er I agree, to a degree, but the national debt must be addressed. We accrue £89B at present, if we bring the debt down, we can concentrate on those who truly need it, the most vulnerable in our society, many many pensioners are not vulnerable, many many children are.
A significant change in the UK is unlikely in the near future.
Here's why:
The two-party dominance and first-past-the-post voting system resist meaningful reform.
Powerful lobbies and wealthy individuals benefit from the status quo and resist change.
British society continues to cling to tradition, making radical changes difficult.
Dealing with the consequences of Brexit will continue to dominate political attention and resources.
Polarized media outlets reinforce existing divisions rather than promoting unity for change.
Many talented individuals leave the UK, reducing the pool of potential change-makers.
The national debt and ongoing economic challenges limit the government's ability to invest in major reforms.
Both Conservative and Labour administrations have made short-sighted decisions prioritizing short-term political gains over long-term national interests.
Without a major crisis or significant shift in public consciousness, the UK is likely to continue muddling through its current problems rather than implementing transformative change.
The issues are deeply rooted and systemic, making quick or easy solutions improbable.
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Brexit Mick.
Mick is showing the standard policy of the Labour Party. Tax and spend. Take YOUR money and spend it on something else.
Now hopefully that is something you agree with and see value in, but when you give £10 billion overseas to combat climate change then you have to question things.
What we saw when proper labour was in during the 70s was that high taxation dosnt mean high collection. What it did mean was lots of the rich buggered off, lots of the well paid high skilled people buggered off and we sat in a Country that had strike after strike.
When New Labour brought in the minimum wage it was paid for out of the median wages. So you start out higher but as you climb up the money isn’t there. You arnt going to get into the board room generally so people have gotten poorer.
It’s a slow decline for the UK. Even rejoining the EU wouldn’t stop it but accelerate it.
Labour won’t do anything to make anything better, just move more money out of your pocket into the hands of the public sector.
tax doesn't cover spending. Borrowing does. Investing wisely in housing stock, infrastructure makes the country asset rich. Selling it off doesn't.
Just remind us again of the 70s would you...power cuts,strikes,suicides,3 day weeks....all down to Labour and it's commie henchmen.