Armin and Connie stopped Jean from beating up Reiner...who has healing powers. But nobody stops Maggot from breaking Yelena's arm...who doesn't have healing powers and is a skinny young woman.
@@JohnCena-um5uo Reiner didnt die but people actually held him accountable for his actions. Annie never was even yelled at lol. They talk about Marco with reiner but levi doesnt bring up his annie murdered the levi squad like come on
I hate how i saw reactions of this episode of people cheering for Annie when She killed Yaegerists like she did with the Survey Corps but they are against Eren's genocide.Hipocrites
It’s crazy, cause Samuel and Daz just wanted to protect them. They didn’t want to fight or even kill them. Ending defenders DEMONIZE the Yeagerists so much but look at the fear on Daz face as he holds the gun to Armin’s face. He hesitates. No one cares about these guys story cause they’re the “eNeMy”. But I blame the writer for making it that way
yeah its the writer's fault for not only forcing the rumbling as the only option but then forcing the evil yeagerist narrative and write Floch like a disney villain
they call them yeagerists but in reality they are the same people that armin and the scouts fought so hard to free from titans. But now they are ok with annie and reiner blowing through them.
But Isayama actually didn't demonize them in this scene, he made us feel, sympathize for Samuel and Daz who are characters who had almost no screentime.
Gotta love how Magath tells Yelena "I'll keep breaking your arm until you tell me" while he's covering her mouth and she can't talk. Also why would Yelena know where Eren is going? She was blindsided by the rumbling and wasn't really an ally to Erens plan, she was in on Zeke's plan.
She told eren where military bases are in marley so that eren would target them first when he did the partial rumbling. She was on board with the partial rumbling
From start to finish I absolutely hated this episode. If Connie was friends with Samuel and Daz, he would've shot them once. But no he put 2 bullets in Daz and 3 bullets in Samuel. What about there Daz and Sam's parents? Connie has to tell them he killed them. What then? And Levi has nothing to say to Annie after she killed his whole squad? Really? I am legitimately sad, because this was my favorite anime, and now I have to hate it.
exactly, it's this shows strength (formerly), levi at least reacting to seeing annie back or mentioning the levi squad is essential to realism, which this show used to do, now it's hyper focused on moving the plot in a certain direction which hinders these scenes from happening and it ruins the immersion, the one thing that should never be ruined
I loved this episode. But it's also the same ep where I started to hate Annie. She really doesn't care about anything, but herself. And personally it makes you kinda side with the Yeagerists, because it's hard to justify anything Annie's done. She starts off the story killing the scouts and then comes back years later to do the same thing. All those people the main cast killed helped Annie when she was literally killing them and enjoying it.. Now we're supposed to side with her because her Dad may get crushed..FOH with that logic.
Yeah I felt the same way watching, way too hard to justify main cast actions when they turn around and betrayed their main friend and all those who died for no reason lol. They sided with the same people who invaded the walls and killed all their families only to side them in the very end.
Im so glad Im not the only one who felt that. What Eren is doing is wrong, but he’s doing it for good reasons, but it’s ironic how many people who cheer for the alliance are talk about Eren killing civilians forgive Annie for all the death that she’s caused, and said she would do it again, killing their friends and their comrades, just to see her father. Which is fine for her, but it makes her selfish, and not much different from Eren.
@Isaiah Wood67 It's no excuse for poor story telling and subversion for the sake of subversion. It makes no sense for the cast to back Eren into saving Eldia and his friends from the entire world only to change their minds on a whim to further the plots sake. You could actually just skip the first 3 seasons and be back to square one with this shitty writing.
@Isaiah Wood67 Why is this even a debate? Most people agree 139 was one of the worst chapters in all of AOT but you are somehow defending a nonsensical conclusion and I could give a dozen reasons as to why none of these characters motivations line up with their goals in the past 80 or so episodes.
@@MrZulgen You're wrong in your second comment. Not a single one of them ever wanted a rumbling of the entire world. Show me where they ever said they wanted that, I dare you. Armin SPECIFICALLY said he only wanted a mini rumbling of MARLEY their ENEMY! That's why he even freaks out when he sees eren used all of the walls titans instead of just one small section of the wall. Nobody has ever flip flopped about this. You're free to feel however you want to feel but if you start giving reasons that are factually untrue you're just going to look dumb. At least think of an actual argument man. It's not everyone else's fault or problem that you cant keep up or follow along with a story that's been explained every step of the way 😆 Are there issues with some parts of the writing? Absolutely! But what you named is not one of them. Nobody ever wanted a mass genocide of the ENTIRE WORLDS population, like you cant actually be this dumb. You're probably just an eren simp that thinks theres nothing wrong with a mass genocide of the entire planet & nothing wrong with killing billions of innocent people. Eren shouldve just wiped out marley with a mini rumbling. His friends wouldnt have even tried to stop him if he did that
It's funny how Yelena talked about the idea of saving the world allowed them all to justify terrible actions in the last episode. And they spend this episode killing and betraying their friends with the same justification.
Right, except what they're doing is morally justified in the name of fighting genocide. A lot of what they do is terrible as Yelena highlighted but that's kinda the fucking point
Also, this episode was like the very definition of heavy plot armor ptotecting all your main characters. Plot armor thicker than the armor titan, dare I say.
The entire rumbling arc is pure plot armor: LITERALLY NO ONE dies except Hange, and she only died out of her own violation, implying she would still be alive if she continued with them. How do you fight hundreds of past titan shifters and NO ONE dies??? 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
It doesn’t feel realistic why kill your person that’s protecting your home place yet you’re teaming up against the enemy while killing your own people and the execution was ugly
For me it's the other way around. I first look at a story from a writing standpoint, which DOES have an objective merit (miss me with that "art is subjective" argument, psuedo intellectuals). If the writing is objectively bad, which in the case of AoT's final arc, it is, my suspension of disbelief gets broken, and as a result I can't get emotionally attached at all. But I've realized that most people don't view stories in such a way, which makes it easier for them to accept anything no matter how bullshit it is.
Just like psycho Annie Simpkasa also doesn't care for anyone and is even more mad that Floch was much more closer to Eren than her and trash Armong 😂and if she she knew Historia also knew Erens plan and was much closer to him then she would've killed her aswell 🙄😂😂
Queue Connie back to the first episode of this season saying how he's tired of being betrayed by his friends. The Alliance are clowns, but Connie is the whole circus.
Also remember when he got angry after finding out what happened to his village and swore vengeance on whoever did it at the end of Season 2? Then the mf never interacts with Zeke 🤡🤡
So Armin the genius could forsee the supposed importance of saving Falco, but couldn't understand how his actions make it fundamentally impossible for them to defeat the yeagerists without killing?? 🤡🤡🤡🤡
he knows that he probably has to kill them but he doesn't want too. armin has known these guys since boot camp from years ago. imagine having to kill your friends that you grew up with having shared trauma with trying to save the world from titans and losing countless friends along the way. to decide to kill your friends for the good of all mankind is a harder choice to make then we could ever possibly understand
Noone goes to war wanting to kill. This goes especially for Civil Wars, wars between your brothers. Just look at how Ukranians view the war with Russia; a tragedy. Ukranians don't want to not only see their kin die, but for their brothers to die as well. But they know they must because of their state. And the same goes for many Russians who were sent into war while being told they were heroes only to find out that they're not
@@aaronezzo3846 ofc Armin doesn't want to but if it had been some nameless soldier, then no one would care becos at this point in the story, while millions are dying in the rumbling, there's no time to waste. Yet, the protagonists, who are supposedly desperate to stop Eren, also want to take their time to do things "the right way". Once again, Isayama wants to have it both ways, like he did for this entire final arc. The gang all know what it means to stop Eren. It's not the sort of thing you'd do on a whim. Except, the story makes it seem that way & I'm not buying it becos I've read 100+ chapters of this shit & I know they're not fools. Fair enough if this moment added to later scenes. Like, if it immediately forced them to realise that they wouldn't be able to reason with Eren or if it gave them the resolve to kill Eren without hesitation... But no, instead they keep hesitating & pondering every hard choice. Just so Isayama can tell us obvious shit like "Racism is bad kids!". Or, in this case, to repeat well established ideas, e.g. the world is cruel. Fair enough if it were executed well but this was just terrible. This confrontation should've happened after the coup started & before Marley's assault. Imagine how much more impactful this would be if Daz & Samuel were in the restaurant scene with Eren & Floch. They'd be no need for half an episode debating morality, again. Armin & Co would've acted on a better plan and while they killed their friends, they could briefly hesitated. Or reflect on it after they got away. Something similar to when Hanes got killed. But no, Isayama was too focused on making sure the reader knows genocide is bad... Despite putting on his efforts into make this scenario in the first place 😑. Which is probably why the strategies & battle logic goes to ass.
@@freewyvern707 no one? The Greek were fucking hyped up to fuck up Persia in Alexander conquest they just got tired because fucking Alexander want to go beyond what was promised and also the fact that they literally wage war between city states. The Romans were hyped up and even cried when Caesar said he want to conquer Gaul and retake Rome.
Lol floch released that shit they will go with plane next ep how they gonna shot at the boat they need it for there future of paradise ...why would theu destroy it
@@Uncle-Ruckus. i am saying floch didn't know about they would use flying boat to get away from their and stop eren he is gonna calculate that in next ep then they all will try yo destroy the boat or plane . They just capture the boat on this ep
@@pirate8085 the yaegerist literally installed bombs on the flying boat , just in case this happens , thats why armin had to convince the 2 to defuse the bombs ... floch clearlly took this posibility in consideration ... so no it makes no sens they didnt destroy it ....
I’m not even watching the show cuz I know where it will lead. Only watching a few clips.The one good thing. They didn’t make Floch look like a whiny crying baby in that shitty Floch Kiyomi sequence. Props to Mappa there.
I was the same but now I believe there will be an AOE!! And I'm really enjoying it, I guess I have too much hopium! but if it ends the same, I'll be ok. It can't get any worseXD
@Isaiah Wood67 ass kicked where? No its boring coz we know what's happening, aot is no longer complex, the alliance are clearly painted as the "good guys" with mikasas avengers level fighting and blowing up dead bodies! Ot was better in the manga coz u could see every page in detail, here it's quick cuts with badass music booming lmfao BTW have the alliance come with a plan yet or or is it still "geNoCiDe BaD" 🤣 ffs this arc is so dumb!
They also didn’t put the little flashback of Sasha showing the scouts the meat she stole when Samuel said “we were supposed to expand land and eat meat together.” It’s a little thing but it woulda put a little more emotion to the scene.
I was so disappointed they didn’t put that in honestly it would’ve made so much more impact to the audience since samuel was only in that one scene pretty much lol
This whole idea of going out and proving to your oppressors you’re good by killing your own kind is pretty stupid. It was stupid when the warriors believed it and it’s stupid now that everyone in the show believes it. Garbage.
That’s not what’s happening. The warriors did it for propaganda. The alliance is doing it because Eren has gone batshit insane and is committing global genocide 💀
They aren't trying to prove anything to anyone, they all know that everything would be better for them if they just let Eren do what he is doing. They are doing this because they have a basic sense of morality, something many fans of this series seem to lack.
@@apemayor3046 oh....hmmm....then why armong thanking eren for killing 80% of population lol........"wow eren you did that for us ...wow.... we're thankful......🤡"
These comments…this is exactly how I felt last year as a manga reader. But if you all think this is bad, Isayama hasn’t even gotten started. I’ve got to say though, Mappa’s animation quality is really inconsistent.
Since when did they ever say the whole world destroying paradis was understandable? Only ones who have shown thinking that was the royal family. They just wanted the rumbling strong enough to deter them from attacking instead of wiping them out entirely jesus people.
@@johanfrere1461 its not dumb its based on their own views not your selfish POV which I actually would want if I was them I would let Eren destroy the world because its the easy choice.
Just for a example: The whole world = 100.000.000 people / paradise Island = 10.000 people. Form the whole world 99.000.000 people are innocent and have nothing to do with it while from paradise island round about 8.000 are soldiers, militaries, politicians or potentially a danger cuz of the turn into a titan. If u see there NO diffrence, i cant help u.. than u are lost. and thats not even the alliance logic. Everything the scouts where fighting for, was to find the outside world. And NOT to destroy everything. Conny wants to get a soldiers to protect kids and innocent people. Armin is just smart and uses his brain. What would change this, killing the whole world ? Right, a short period of peace. Not more. Do u think this is worth it ? Chosing erens idea of the world is the dumbest idea ever by floch and the jeagerist... and the fanboys to. How naive people are to believe this would change the everything for ALL time.
@@JT-yl9yt when you say, “deter them from attacking”, who’s “them”? Because the whole world is Paradis’ enemy, so if the Rumbling never happens, then Paradis is getting invaded by every country’s army. Are you suggesting they make the Rumbling strong enough to take out Marley’s military force? Well if that’s the case, then they just proved Marley right: Paradis is bad we must destroy them, then they still got to worry about the rest of the world destroying them.
@@Nead_Dill_Dickersons_jr so now they kill the world and now have to worry about themselves destroying each other.....same fate only you wiped out 90% of the people lmao that's not better.
Connie killing his friends without any hesitation and then Connie's crying is so out of character at least they can show Connie laughing that would be so in his character 🤣🤣
without any hesitation?? both sides were hesitant, idiot. it’s just the guy had pointing his gun right on armins skull what did u want him to do? sit there and wait for the guy to pull the trigger?? & the whole “laughing during hard times” is just a dumb fan theory. the real reason he laughed at annie was bc of the dumb way she was eating.
How’d an old lady manage to defeat an armed soldier? Also the Ackermans ain’t shit anymore, none of their fights are as legendary. I mean mikasa’s fights were never all that but Levi’s fights were iconic, I miss wit * when I say Ackermans I’m referring to mikasa and levi
@@Prime_MLG “levi is disabled” yeah sure tell that to the same guy who fought hundreds of titan shifters and protected Connie WHILE his leg and eyes are broken 🤡🤡🤡
I liked Annie and Reiners part that was pretty nice. To be honest I like the warriors more than the soldiers I hate the way they’re all “good friends” now💀💀💀
@@goratuti1098 except for jean The rest are literally cardboard cutouts. Even his reasoning for joining is just because he thinks Marco would've done so and just wants to honor his death which is still dumb but all it does is make Marco just an armin clone in every aspect
I don't think the idea of the alliance is bad at all but Isayama could have handled some things better, like Annie's story. In the end the alliance logic is basically Eren's logic and that's what Isayama wanted to portray in my opinion: characters that have a goal in their mind thinking it's the right thing to do but they also have to do terrible things to accomplish it. So basically everyone wants the end of this cycle of hatred: Zeke and Eren think that it's only possible if one the sides perish. Zeke wants it to be the Eldians while Eren the rest of the world, and they do terrible things to accomplish their goal, because they think it's for the best. Armin and the others think that there could be a third option which would be possible without killing a ton of people even though it's a far more difficult route (the partial rumbling), and they do terrible things to accomplish it, like killing their comrades, because they think it's for the best. It's the same thing.
Not trying to be agressive; The reason the alliance is straight up stupid, is because of them trying to halt the Rumbling. Once it began, there is no stopping it without even worse consequences than if it kept going until 100%. The extra manga pages prove it. If you stop the Rumbling after it already reached the coast (which is inevitable, stated by the show itself), then the whole world would hate all of them even more than they already did, team up against them, and ambush Paradis. (Going by the Manga's) 20% has enough force and resources (and more people) to win a war against the Island, because the power of titans has been taken from the eldians. Also nobody is going to suddenly be friendly with Eldians (after their homes got destroyed) because of Armin claiming that he and the other cringevengers killed Eren Yeager. If Eren completes the Rumbling, than he can free Ymir and safely get rid of the Power of Titans (so there would be no fighting over titan powers and children eating their own parents anymore) Honestly the alliance getting so much love from the audience sickens me. I wish Isayama went with AnR, took down their Plot-Armour, and made the choice to choose the realistic ending, which would have been the cherry-on-top for an amazing show. It is pretty sad how the whole 'Eremika shipping' fanservice thing ruined the whole ending.
@Manvëru If they were going for an AoE, I think the writing would have been improved. Think about it, are we expecting the same man who wrote this to write an original ending that is coherent and true to the characters? After portraying the alliance as the undisputed good guys and the jaegerists as evil stormtroopers? Making Connie out to be sympathetic after killing his friends in cold blood when he didn't have to? I don't trust isayama to write an original ending after writing the alliance the way he did with no changes. He clearly wants you to root for the alliance and for them to defeat big bad eren
@@jaredroy7315 I don’t take this useless excuse anymore, after S4P1 they could’ve ask for more time but they didn’t refuse the offer 😐 All i have to say is RESPECT to the animators.
@@Tazq8p but so far the fighting scenes have been on point ? Because of the time deadline I thought it was gonna look ass but it’s exceeded my expectations
Annie is easily one of the most unlikable characters in this series, and her generic sob story background isn’t even that sad or compelling relative to many of the other characters. I don’t understand at all what Armin sees in her... that hook-nosed psychopath isn’t even particularly hot lol Also, 11:58 to 12:53 is the correct reaction to the end of the manga lol
I am so glad I am not the only one who felt that the recent episode were trash not only animation wise but also story and the character development. How does Reiner and Annie know how to use the odm gear so well without practice for years. And the two yeargist who Connie killed were so stupid. This is such trash writing as the mangaka rushed the whole ending.
Well the best comparison i could give you for Annie and Renier using Odm gear is like getting on a bike for the first time in years. You already know how to ride it
@@whatthedogdoin133 This is called storyboard bruh, that literally has fluid animation and him "teleporting" is an abrupt transition because Floch will say immediately about Armin and Connie
I shouldn’t say the animation is ass that’s my bad, but it just looks so boring and unoriginal look at any other anime each of them look some what original but this just feels boring now I hope and believe it will change in later episodes tho
God the plot armour was embarrassing these chapters. In the manga next chapter / episode . Connie 1 v 8 jaegerists and kills all of them with 1 swing of his sword . It’s absolutely embarrassing
Stop acting like other shows don't have plot armour as well. When aot has some plot armour, Mfs like u complain without hesitation. But its so irrelevant when u look at the bigger picture of aot and the message it's trying to show.
Ngl, the animation is kinda lacking. It looks too plain to watch compared how it look in the beginning of S4 Part 2. It looks like their out of budget now for this show. It was watchable at AOT S4-S4 Part 2 beginning part. The rest just made me sleep. It’s fine, since I already read the manga. I know how it going to end.
Ahh yes, they should have just stood around for a few days instead before coming together... Oh wait- it's almost like they had a shared goal, and spent an entire episode working through their issues together... 🤔
Argh! My friends and I could not stop laughing the moment the plan failed. What got me going “wut?” Was the moment when asumabito lady pinned down flock. The beginning with Annie taking the lead for some reason while everyone else just stands there also felt off.
This is a bit stupid logic but when they say it's flying boat they are thinking it's a boat with flies. So what they thought they have to do to make sure is just to detach the plane to safe space and fly to collect the others or something. Which is ofcourse ridiculous to hear for some who knows how planes work. What makes it much more stupid is that people like azumabito engineers and onyakopon is are the critical role players in making boat fly. Yeah engineers didn't get to meet scouts but atleast onyankopon should have made scouts aware on how plane works and need fitting and inspection before flying🤦♂️. So, from the start they never had chance to sneek out the plane, the best they can do is to reach the plane without getting suspected and protect the plane till the opposing party is wiped out which is what happened.
And I like magath asked where Eren is going while covering Yelena's mouth and breaking her arm. Unecessary. He already knew where he is going. Everyone does. In fact why did he even ask the question at all???
AniSins joked that Season 1 was 'Sit Around and Contemplate About Life for 20 Minutes...on Titan'. In the final arc, about a world-destroying threat, this has become the reality!
9:15 music choice is trash in theses scene and this not something heroic moment friends and comrades are killing each other it's not heroic it's tragic and horrifying. At least they had basic sense for these scene.
Agree the comments absolutel y nit pick everything, they feel like the would be able to make a show, They completely loose the point that its something u watch if u dont like it then dont watch it
Give him a break bro, he didn't get the ending he was looking for in the manga, favorite ship=sunk, the side he supported=defeated. He went through a lot of mental stress already, give him a break.
@@Nead_Dill_Dickersons_jr I think the kids trying to justify genocide and still crying after a whole year over an ending that didn't follow their fanfic headcanons are the ones on copium.
I honestly don't care that they kill the Yaegerists. It's consistant with their plan of stopping Eren. What makes no sense for me is that hesitate to kill Eren. I don't get the shows fetish to sympathize with mass murderers lol we can understand how they came to be but it goes too far to redeeming them.
I don't think you are a griefter, you probably are genuinely having a bad moment watching the show. But it's clear that someone who build a small notoriety hating on a popular serie is bound to have heavy bias against it and this reaction only seem to confirm this. Most of the reaction is "this character is not doing what I want him to do, it's trash writting and everyone who disagree, simply doesn't want to admit it".
@@yoush3599 Great advice ! I will do that ! Was killing poor Sam the only possible option ? Certainly not, but it made sense to do it in context, still a brutal thing to do tho. This was a situation of intense emotional stress for Connie, he also needed to act fast because a battle is going on and the stakes are absurdly high, litteraly the fate of humanity, we also know the guy is very emotional and not a rocket scientist, so it's likely he will go for the fastest and easyer solution, he could also be impulsive because of his current mental state. But even leaving that out, what other options can you actually think of ? They can tell Samuel to run, but there is no reason to think he will stop figthing, so he would likely turn against them or get flattened by a titan anyway. They can knock him out, but what next ? They can't move him because they are surrounded by Yeagerists, so they would have to leave him next to the plane they need to protect and a bunch of explosives . They can try to capture him , but can they afford to watch a prisonner when there is a battle going on and both Armin and Connie will be needed ? Saying "they didn't have to kill him" is factual, but it's really implying "it make no sense to kill him, it's dumb", which is wrong.
Argh! Only 2 episodes left and they said that the anime will only go until chapter 130 of the manga. Which means 9 chapters will be either animated into a movie, or they’ll rush the ending like the promised neverland season 2. Either way, it’s not looking good in the next 2 weeks.
This was all pre-planned.....im not sure how the 9 chapter would fit into a movie and I also think there are gonna be some changes in the ending .....don't hate just my opinion
So glad I dropped the show after episode 21, that was the perfect sendoff for this once great series imo. Not to mention, that was the last episode where MAPPA actually gave a flying fuck about doing the source material justice. This horribly written cringevengers arc has a fittingly horrible adaptation, don't know whether to shit on MAPPA for being incompetent once again in how they treat their staff and their production overall, or to call them based for not bothering in wasting effort and talent for this trash and wisely focusing more on Chainsaw Man 😂
@@kabe6927 ep animation was fine ... I said if you guys are manga reader and already knows the story why are you getting angry ?? And saying its trash ep
Thats what i thought. The way titans are animated by WIT hit different and they actually feel big. Here in S4 the titans just feel like normal people who just got sized up. Mappa still doing a great ass job though
It was still somewhat good until the grisha manipulation scene.........but after that it's not even watchable anymore...... anytime I see cringe alliance I just get enraged lol
??? But Saint’s even said the story was amazing even after the ocean scene and the timeskip. How is Season 4 Part 1 garbage, outside of it just being your personal opinion? It’s only until after Eren unleashed the Rumbling that things started going downhill.
@@richurro20 Fair, I don’t agree with some of his opinions either but I like hearing his insight on the show. I do personally like the series up until after Eren started the Rumbling tho. I’m anime-only but heard about some of what the ending did a year ago, so I’m just along for the ride at this point.
It is so crazy, to see peoples’ vociferous support of the genocide in this story. The reactions to the show, have become a meta commentary. This is exactly what Isayama is warning us about, which is why everyone is so angry, because they see themselves exposed and critiqued. Really wild stuff.
But both sides are trying to genocide eachother? If eldia doesn’t genocide the world, the world will genocide them. This isn’t about doing the right thing, it’s about survival, the alliance is literally fighting for the genocide of their own people, you’ll understand once you see the ending of the manga.
Isayama is an idiot. He wrote a story where genocide is literally the only option your heroes have. One mishap in terms of passing the Titan powers forward and the Eldians are under the forced peace of the first king. Unable to protect themselves from the world that's trying to genocide them. He writers a totally unrealistic situation where its either be genocided or commit genocide. No in between. And when readers go "I mean its literally their only option" that's supposed to be some sort of commentarty?
@@onepiecefan74 To say that the author is an idiot is not fair. I believe there could be a peaceful alternative to what's happening in the latest episodes, but both sides have been hurt so much that they can't forgive the other. I find it quite realistic, because that's how traumatized people operate after being oppressed for so long. They might get defensive and destructive in order to persevere themselves. And I think the extreme situation AoT's characters are put in allows us to understand this concept better.
@@littlejarofhopes It's not realistic at all, every character in the Alliance helped Eren with the 80/20 plan until it actually occured and then all of a sudden they regret their decision. Unless you are thinking that they knew that Eren had a plan to peacefully end the war which to me sounds unrealistic given the themes and nature of the show.
@@wallstreetzoomer yeah. Idk why. I remember a time where Eren and Reiner were my two favorite. After the fumbling, Erwin and Floch are the best characters
10:10 it was not done well the VA are doing a good job BUT they cut out a flashback which not only shows who Daz and Samuel are (for all the people who dont remember shit) but also shows how close they all were - the flashback was the scene on top the wall, when sasha stole some meat, that was also cut in the manga he says something like this "didnt we make a promise to take back the land and eat meat together" but the meat and sasha somehow was cut from this episode... obviously to make connie look less like a fk asshole
@@saintitchief yes I agree, it was made clear that Daz and Samuel were hesitating to kill their freinds, and the VAs and shots conveyed that. (love your work btw. stay well)
The promise was actually in the episode, but i think its either a mistranslation or slightly edited dialogue as i dont think i read meat but i remember lands is there
@@drakephysecron6775 yes the promise about getting land was in - but no flashback, no meat - which is key to connect this moment to sasha and underline the comradery - they were supposed to have.
@@saintitchief feels like the pacing is off in this episode and lacking enough movement.. like that Mikasa attack- I visualized that to be instantaneous when I read the Mangaka
Trust me next episode is even trash bruh and I hated it so much ! The yeagrist defeated both Annie and Reiner in there freaking titan forms ! That’s just straight bs ! They plan on defeating eren but cant even beat the yergrist lol 😆
@@viewer8734 Connie getting an Ackerman boost out of nowhere was some of the funniest shit that happened in the last arc 😂 Isayama completely fucked the inner logic of his own series in the ass
@@pipusmaximus189 but hey who cares about character development and storyline........cheer for the alliance because they are the "good" guys yay..............lol
@@pipusmaximus189 Are you dumb? There was 6 yeagerists rushing at Connie and from what we are shown he kills 3 of them and then fled away. How is that unrealistic when Connie is miles more experienced than these yeagerists.
I understand that you didn't like the episode and I think it's totally normal but I also noticed that because you didn't like it, you even complained about things that had no reason to be criticized.
I’m just gonna hope that this man is joking, he honestly sounds like child complaining. The manga didn’t get bad, it was honestly good all the way up to the end
@@Casso2611 they can't. They want a badass unrealistic protagonist. So on first place they didn't even understand his character. How will they give examples? They know only to scream.
Samuel shot armin 3 f time and you expect to not shot if he was in their place? What’s your thought process. While saying “that’s trash” all the time 🤦 Chill and enjoy the episode bro.
@@donovantucker5166 doesn’t matter. and now come the think of it, the fact that he shot the mouth makes him even more re tarded bc he didn’t even give armin a chance to speak and say he would join their side
You had no prob enjoying Floch executing someone for badmouthing him, but have a problem with Connie shooting Samuel for shooting first??? Make it make sense
Annie had such good development, she went from a selfish psychopath killing Paradisian soldiers to a selfish psychopath killing Paradisian soldiers
Yes just let her sit on the sidelines instead of helping
Well apparently sharing a piece of bread with people you tried kill is character development
@@_Antijosh_ I am just addressing the emptiness of the whole "alliance" thing
You are sooo right
Sometimes violence is only way they can't save the world if they can't kill paradise soilders
And eren can't save paradise without killing the World
Armin and Connie stopped Jean from beating up Reiner...who has healing powers. But nobody stops Maggot from breaking Yelena's arm...who doesn't have healing powers and is a skinny young woman.
Respect Samuel for shooting Armin in his weakness point: his mouth = no more talk no jutsu
Fr LOL, shut the dude up before he made another speech about seeing the ocean
😂
Annie gets such a huge pass from everyone on the show, she could probably just walk past the Yeagerists and they wouldn't even mind.
Come on bro. She has a vagina. She’s supposed to get off scot free. Come on man.
Isayama couldn't kill her because she is Armong's waifu, shippers must be satisfied
@@JohnCena-um5uo facts. Even if she had to get lobotomized to become the ‘waifu.’ Trash ass writing with dumbass shippers = Complete disaster. 😂
I don't hate Annie, I think she is like Eren in a way but I kind of wanted to see Levi say something. Then again, war is war and now they are allies.
@@JohnCena-um5uo Reiner didnt die but people actually held him accountable for his actions. Annie never was even yelled at lol. They talk about Marco with reiner but levi doesnt bring up his annie murdered the levi squad like come on
finally I found someone with brains
and can criticize plot holes
and how lame writing is done here
I hate how i saw reactions of this episode of people cheering for Annie when She killed Yaegerists like she did with the Survey Corps but they are against Eren's genocide.Hipocrites
@Femi Oke the reactors
The Yeagerists deserved it
genocide = killing soldiers in war?
you have lost me man.
@@krit_j162 Worse than genocide, actually. Treason, and murder of your fellow countrymen.
reactors need to give a popular reaction and in 2022 stockholm syndrome is straight hippity hoppin' with the youngins
It’s crazy, cause Samuel and Daz just wanted to protect them. They didn’t want to fight or even kill them. Ending defenders DEMONIZE the Yeagerists so much but look at the fear on Daz face as he holds the gun to Armin’s face. He hesitates. No one cares about these guys story cause they’re the “eNeMy”. But I blame the writer for making it that way
yeah its the writer's fault for not only forcing the rumbling as the only option but then forcing the evil yeagerist narrative and write Floch like a disney villain
they call them yeagerists but in reality they are the same people that armin and the scouts fought so hard to free from titans. But now they are ok with annie and reiner blowing through them.
@@babuskarashuka8651 "thEy aRe RacIsT NaZiS! WhY FlOck ShoT thAt bLoNde GuY?"
Armin just got shot.... The incentive is there,but one didn't hesitate
But Isayama actually didn't demonize them in this scene, he made us feel, sympathize for Samuel and Daz who are characters who had almost no screentime.
Gotta love how Magath tells Yelena "I'll keep breaking your arm until you tell me" while he's covering her mouth and she can't talk. Also why would Yelena know where Eren is going? She was blindsided by the rumbling and wasn't really an ally to Erens plan, she was in on Zeke's plan.
She told eren where military bases are in marley so that eren would target them first when he did the partial rumbling. She was on board with the partial rumbling
@@seancarroll5803 true, but Magath or anyone else there doesnt know that...
“TELL ME WHERE EREN IS!!”
“But you just shut my mouth with your hand how can I speak” 🤡🤡🤡🤡
@Milk man The gamer OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Wasn’t he covering her mouth so that the yeagerists wouldn’t hear her scream?
I had the same reaction like why kill him then scream like a maniac🤦🏽♂️
BECAUSE he didn’t want to 😭 are y’all stupid? it was the only option. it’s like y’all all running off the same half a brain cell
@Incandescent he wasn’t sorry he’s a hypocrite
@@jjan2383 stop making excuses for him you allow clown behavior only if it’s your favorite characters
@Incandescent I’m talking about Connie not eren
From start to finish I absolutely hated this episode. If Connie was friends with Samuel and Daz, he would've shot them once. But no he put 2 bullets in Daz and 3 bullets in Samuel. What about there Daz and Sam's parents? Connie has to tell them he killed them. What then? And Levi has nothing to say to Annie after she killed his whole squad? Really? I am legitimately sad, because this was my favorite anime, and now I have to hate it.
What makes you think one bullet alone ends a threat?
Levi talks shit to annie what’s gonna happen ? Bro can’t fight rn 😭 + talking about it is gonna make the alliance not trust each other even more
Actually Connie's mother would be very proud of him as a good soldier.
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Oh sorry, SHE DIED
@@levilatte869 okay levi brings up what happened to his squad then what ?
exactly, it's this shows strength (formerly), levi at least reacting to seeing annie back or mentioning the levi squad is essential to realism, which this show used to do, now it's hyper focused on moving the plot in a certain direction which hinders these scenes from happening and it ruins the immersion, the one thing that should never be ruined
Don’t you just love how the supposed “bringers of peace” stand there and watch a grown man suffocate and break a girl’s arm?
Yelena’s huge with military experience. How the hell did she not handle him lol
Why tf would they care, she did so much shit to all of them and they still need to know where eren is going from her
@@James-ft2bh Eren’s destination is the whole world
@@superexclusive452 Well obviously but we are talking about his titan, not all the ct....
@@James-ft2bh ok but how do they know that killing his titan will stop the rumbling
Iseyama lost the plot.
No u Did…isayama writing is genius not his fault your brain is too little to comprehend lmao
@@ChaposShoota "only ymir knows" is a genius idea.
No hajime isayama he was inspired by muvluv alternative story and AOE or ANR ending it's coming soon in the movie in the next year in 2023
@@justbeingarationalperson.228 Only Chapos Shoota knows apparently.
@@tareksumayatarekmuhammadya1402 who give a fk about aoe, aot become even worst after the rumbling.
All I can say is that Eren and Zeke were carrying this series. The alliance is the stupidest thing isayama could've create.
Question what's 1.5 + 0.9 + 0.8 as a percentage?
Plz help
@@BackBeater 3.2
@@BackBeater %150 + %90 + %80
@@BackBeater i love how random this is
@@roman108 All together added up?
I loved this episode. But it's also the same ep where I started to hate Annie. She really doesn't care about anything, but herself. And personally it makes you kinda side with the Yeagerists, because it's hard to justify anything Annie's done. She starts off the story killing the scouts and then comes back years later to do the same thing. All those people the main cast killed helped Annie when she was literally killing them and enjoying it.. Now we're supposed to side with her because her Dad may get crushed..FOH with that logic.
Yeah I felt the same way watching, way too hard to justify main cast actions when they turn around and betrayed their main friend and all those who died for no reason lol. They sided with the same people who invaded the walls and killed all their families only to side them in the very end.
Im so glad Im not the only one who felt that. What Eren is doing is wrong, but he’s doing it for good reasons, but it’s ironic how many people who cheer for the alliance are talk about Eren killing civilians forgive Annie for all the death that she’s caused, and said she would do it again, killing their friends and their comrades, just to see her father. Which is fine for her, but it makes her selfish, and not much different from Eren.
@Isaiah Wood67 It's no excuse for poor story telling and subversion for the sake of subversion. It makes no sense for the cast to back Eren into saving Eldia and his friends from the entire world only to change their minds on a whim to further the plots sake. You could actually just skip the first 3 seasons and be back to square one with this shitty writing.
@Isaiah Wood67 Why is this even a debate? Most people agree 139 was one of the worst chapters in all of AOT but you are somehow defending a nonsensical conclusion and I could give a dozen reasons as to why none of these characters motivations line up with their goals in the past 80 or so episodes.
@@MrZulgen You're wrong in your second comment. Not a single one of them ever wanted a rumbling of the entire world. Show me where they ever said they wanted that, I dare you. Armin SPECIFICALLY said he only wanted a mini rumbling of MARLEY their ENEMY! That's why he even freaks out when he sees eren used all of the walls titans instead of just one small section of the wall. Nobody has ever flip flopped about this. You're free to feel however you want to feel but if you start giving reasons that are factually untrue you're just going to look dumb. At least think of an actual argument man. It's not everyone else's fault or problem that you cant keep up or follow along with a story that's been explained every step of the way 😆
Are there issues with some parts of the writing? Absolutely! But what you named is not one of them. Nobody ever wanted a mass genocide of the ENTIRE WORLDS population, like you cant actually be this dumb. You're probably just an eren simp that thinks theres nothing wrong with a mass genocide of the entire planet & nothing wrong with killing billions of innocent people. Eren shouldve just wiped out marley with a mini rumbling. His friends wouldnt have even tried to stop him if he did that
It's funny how Yelena talked about the idea of saving the world allowed them all to justify terrible actions in the last episode.
And they spend this episode killing and betraying their friends with the same justification.
Right, except what they're doing is morally justified in the name of fighting genocide. A lot of what they do is terrible as Yelena highlighted but that's kinda the fucking point
@@DazzerHgnZ3004yet what are the yeageeistvfighting to prevent.
The genocide of their own people. Funny that.
this episode just feels so childish. if I didn't already know, I would think that it was some sort of insane fanfic.
Also, this episode was like the very definition of heavy plot armor ptotecting all your main characters.
Plot armor thicker than the armor titan, dare I say.
Nah that's next episode. We get to see Connie 1v7 Yeagerist that nearly killed Annie and Reiner. Basically implies Connie can 1v2 Annie and Reiner
@@mentorio8135 next episode is dam dumb hey look where going to stop eren in he’s new titan form but they get defeated by yeregareust like wow
The entire rumbling arc is pure plot armor: LITERALLY NO ONE dies except Hange, and she only died out of her own violation, implying she would still be alive if she continued with them.
How do you fight hundreds of past titan shifters and NO ONE dies??? 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@roman108 only ymir knows
10/10 writing, mastahpeece
bringing levi back was so pointless, he barely did anything notable in the final arc
The fans are so emotionally attached to the story they can't look at things from a objective point of view.
It doesn’t feel realistic why kill your person that’s protecting your home place yet you’re teaming up against the enemy while killing your own people and the execution was ugly
For me it's the other way around. I first look at a story from a writing standpoint, which DOES have an objective merit (miss me with that "art is subjective" argument, psuedo intellectuals). If the writing is objectively bad, which in the case of AoT's final arc, it is, my suspension of disbelief gets broken, and as a result I can't get emotionally attached at all. But I've realized that most people don't view stories in such a way, which makes it easier for them to accept anything no matter how bullshit it is.
@@pipusmaximus189 most people just consume product and don't complain, they are literally cattle
@@JohnCena-um5uo you can't be that stupid to call people cattle.
@@JohnCena-um5uo or MAYBE, MAYBE, they watch it for fun.
Just like psycho Annie Simpkasa also doesn't care for anyone and is even more mad that Floch was much more closer to Eren than her and trash Armong 😂and if she she knew Historia also knew Erens plan and was much closer to him then she would've killed her aswell 🙄😂😂
Nice to see that you're still kicking and laughing with us at this peak comedy 😂
Literally what tf are you talking about?
Bro sounds like a Mikasa hater and EH shipper XD.
@@michaeldesanta7746 dogkasa cope
@@historiareiss8750 But you are the one mad about the ending tho, cry
Queue Connie back to the first episode of this season saying how he's tired of being betrayed by his friends. The Alliance are clowns, but Connie is the whole circus.
Also remember when he got angry after finding out what happened to his village and swore vengeance on whoever did it at the end of Season 2? Then the mf never interacts with Zeke 🤡🤡
Now he betray his former friends from 104.
I'm tired of connie's presence in the story
they were trying to kill him lol
@@aaronezzo3846 Guess who the traitor is here
So Armin the genius could forsee the supposed importance of saving Falco, but couldn't understand how his actions make it fundamentally impossible for them to defeat the yeagerists without killing?? 🤡🤡🤡🤡
Its his naruto phase, UMI Da power
he knows that he probably has to kill them but he doesn't want too. armin has known these guys since boot camp from years ago. imagine having to kill your friends that you grew up with having shared trauma with trying to save the world from titans and losing countless friends along the way. to decide to kill your friends for the good of all mankind is a harder choice to make then we could ever possibly understand
Noone goes to war wanting to kill. This goes especially for Civil Wars, wars between your brothers.
Just look at how Ukranians view the war with Russia; a tragedy. Ukranians don't want to not only see their kin die, but for their brothers to die as well. But they know they must because of their state. And the same goes for many Russians who were sent into war while being told they were heroes only to find out that they're not
@@aaronezzo3846 ofc Armin doesn't want to but if it had been some nameless soldier, then no one would care becos at this point in the story, while millions are dying in the rumbling, there's no time to waste. Yet, the protagonists, who are supposedly desperate to stop Eren, also want to take their time to do things "the right way". Once again, Isayama wants to have it both ways, like he did for this entire final arc.
The gang all know what it means to stop Eren. It's not the sort of thing you'd do on a whim. Except, the story makes it seem that way & I'm not buying it becos I've read 100+ chapters of this shit & I know they're not fools.
Fair enough if this moment added to later scenes. Like, if it immediately forced them to realise that they wouldn't be able to reason with Eren or if it gave them the resolve to kill Eren without hesitation... But no, instead they keep hesitating & pondering every hard choice. Just so Isayama can tell us obvious shit like "Racism is bad kids!". Or, in this case, to repeat well established ideas, e.g. the world is cruel.
Fair enough if it were executed well but this was just terrible. This confrontation should've happened after the coup started & before Marley's assault. Imagine how much more impactful this would be if Daz & Samuel were in the restaurant scene with Eren & Floch. They'd be no need for half an episode debating morality, again. Armin & Co would've acted on a better plan and while they killed their friends, they could briefly hesitated. Or reflect on it after they got away. Something similar to when Hanes got killed.
But no, Isayama was too focused on making sure the reader knows genocide is bad... Despite putting on his efforts into make this scenario in the first place 😑. Which is probably why the strategies & battle logic goes to ass.
@@freewyvern707 no one? The Greek were fucking hyped up to fuck up Persia in Alexander conquest they just got tired because fucking Alexander want to go beyond what was promised and also the fact that they literally wage war between city states. The Romans were hyped up and even cried when Caesar said he want to conquer Gaul and retake Rome.
why Yeagerist didn't just shot one Thunder spear to the boat and destroy it?
the plot said no
Lol floch released that shit they will go with plane next ep how they gonna shot at the boat they need it for there future of paradise ...why would theu destroy it
@@pirate8085 ???? U dont make any sense
@@Uncle-Ruckus. i am saying floch didn't know about they would use flying boat to get away from their and stop eren he is gonna calculate that in next ep then they all will try yo destroy the boat or plane .
They just capture the boat on this ep
@@pirate8085 the yaegerist literally installed bombs on the flying boat , just in case this happens , thats why armin had to convince the 2 to defuse the bombs ... floch clearlly took this posibility in consideration ... so no it makes no sens they didnt destroy it ....
I’m not even watching the show cuz I know where it will lead. Only watching a few clips.The one good thing. They didn’t make Floch look like a whiny crying baby in that shitty Floch Kiyomi sequence. Props to Mappa there.
Same. I'll Watch again only If i see aoe clips
Same here, it pains me to watch it even through reactions... lmfao
Same
I was the same but now I believe there will be an AOE!! And I'm really enjoying it, I guess I have too much hopium! but if it ends the same, I'll be ok. It can't get any worseXD
@Isaiah Wood67 ass kicked where? No its boring coz we know what's happening, aot is no longer complex, the alliance are clearly painted as the "good guys" with mikasas avengers level fighting and blowing up dead bodies! Ot was better in the manga coz u could see every page in detail, here it's quick cuts with badass music booming lmfao
BTW have the alliance come with a plan yet or or is it still "geNoCiDe BaD" 🤣 ffs this arc is so dumb!
They also didn’t put the little flashback of Sasha showing the scouts the meat she stole when Samuel said “we were supposed to expand land and eat meat together.” It’s a little thing but it woulda put a little more emotion to the scene.
I was so disappointed they didn’t put that in honestly it would’ve made so much more impact to the audience since samuel was only in that one scene pretty much lol
@Andre Massena We are but we are allowed to have criticisms
thhey don't want you rooting for the yeagerist so they do these kinda things.
@Andre Massena we will not lower our standards like you.
@@roman108 oh cmon that was not weebing at all give him a pass
Here Mikasa like robot doesn't think or say her opinion
Just boring character without development
Because she is slave
@@historiareiss8750 It is ok, i am sure you can relate.
god i love scrolling through the comments on a new saint reaction lol, pure seething from ending defenders is peak hilarity
Fr😂
True lol
I love your pfp, gamer Makima.
This whole idea of going out and proving to your oppressors you’re good by killing your own kind is pretty stupid. It was stupid when the warriors believed it and it’s stupid now that everyone in the show believes it. Garbage.
That’s not what’s happening. The warriors did it for propaganda. The alliance is doing it because Eren has gone batshit insane and is committing global genocide 💀
@@shahwarbasith2295 nah, Eren has gone batshit sleeping, he will only wake up when it's time to cry over mikasa and another man
They aren't trying to prove anything to anyone, they all know that everything would be better for them if they just let Eren do what he is doing. They are doing this because they have a basic sense of morality, something many fans of this series seem to lack.
@@apemayor3046 oh....hmmm....then why armong thanking eren for killing 80% of population lol........"wow eren you did that for us ...wow.... we're thankful......🤡"
@@user-74856 only ymir knows
These comments…this is exactly how I felt last year as a manga reader. But if you all think this is bad, Isayama hasn’t even gotten started. I’ve got to say though, Mappa’s animation quality is really inconsistent.
I felt way better when i saw the comments and how people are reacting to the story 😎
Animation was good lol
Everything involving the cringevengers is boiling poop
Hange is so sorry ! She literally talked Mikasa and Jean etc to go against eren cuz they sorry asf
Yeah, I lost all the love for Hanges character after this
@@memonson5586 don't worry she's going to die soon
Not gonna lie if AOE is real, I'll only feel sad for falco's death, but everyone else needs to get bodied
I think most AOE theories have it so Falco still lives so that would be neat
Not gonna lie.. i would love to see this hipocrites flattened, except for Falco, Falco's my boy
@@rei-do-acre4551 me too, really hope we get a good AOE
Yeah, I am waiting for AOE. I want whole alliance to get destroyed.
@@dogecoin9562 nah Erenbhas to die like a loser again
alliance logic:
eren destroying the rest of the world = wrong
the whole world destroying paradis island = understandable
Since when did they ever say the whole world destroying paradis was understandable? Only ones who have shown thinking that was the royal family. They just wanted the rumbling strong enough to deter them from attacking instead of wiping them out entirely jesus people.
@@johanfrere1461 its not dumb its based on their own views not your selfish POV which I actually would want if I was them I would let Eren destroy the world because its the easy choice.
Just for a example: The whole world = 100.000.000 people / paradise Island = 10.000 people. Form the whole world 99.000.000 people are innocent and have nothing to do with it while from paradise island round about 8.000 are soldiers, militaries, politicians or potentially a danger cuz of the turn into a titan. If u see there NO diffrence, i cant help u.. than u are lost.
and thats not even the alliance logic. Everything the scouts where fighting for, was to find the outside world. And NOT to destroy everything. Conny wants to get a soldiers to protect kids and innocent people. Armin is just smart and uses his brain. What would change this, killing the whole world ? Right, a short period of peace. Not more. Do u think this is worth it ?
Chosing erens idea of the world is the dumbest idea ever by floch and the jeagerist... and the fanboys to. How naive people are to believe this would change the everything for ALL time.
@@JT-yl9yt when you say, “deter them from attacking”, who’s “them”? Because the whole world is Paradis’ enemy, so if the Rumbling never happens, then Paradis is getting invaded by every country’s army. Are you suggesting they make the Rumbling strong enough to take out Marley’s military force? Well if that’s the case, then they just proved Marley right: Paradis is bad we must destroy them, then they still got to worry about the rest of the world destroying them.
@@Nead_Dill_Dickersons_jr so now they kill the world and now have to worry about themselves destroying each other.....same fate only you wiped out 90% of the people lmao that's not better.
Connie killing his friends without any hesitation and then Connie's crying is so out of character at least they can show Connie laughing that would be so in his character 🤣🤣
without any hesitation?? both sides were hesitant, idiot. it’s just the guy had pointing his gun right on armins skull what did u want him to do? sit there and wait for the guy to pull the trigger?? & the whole “laughing during hard times” is just a dumb fan theory. the real reason he laughed at annie was bc of the dumb way she was eating.
Connie murdered his friends
as he should it’s either kill or get killed. we’re all eren fans on this channel right? i thought we all understood that message
@@jjan2383 Samuel was likely trying to capture them despite them being traitors
11:57 me after reading the last chapter
How’d an old lady manage to defeat an armed soldier? Also the Ackermans ain’t shit anymore, none of their fights are as legendary. I mean mikasa’s fights were never all that but Levi’s fights were iconic, I miss wit
* when I say Ackermans I’m referring to mikasa and levi
Azumabito are not Ackermans so its even more stupid
@@berikkalimz4195 I wasn’t referring to them I was referring to mikasa and Levi, hence why I said “ALSO”
@@cyndixx dude r u dum levi is disabled basically and mikasa was strong af like 3 ep ago
@@Prime_MLG “levi is disabled” yeah sure tell that to the same guy who fought hundreds of titan shifters and protected Connie WHILE his leg and eyes are broken 🤡🤡🤡
Complaining asf
I liked Annie and Reiners part that was pretty nice. To be honest I like the warriors more than the soldiers I hate the way they’re all “good friends” now💀💀💀
Same, army and connor make me cringe whenever they’re on screen
At least the warriors have a good reason to fight (for their homeland)
@@mohamedelhediissa289 and they’re much better written and much more interesting than the Scouts
@@goratuti1098 except for jean
The rest are literally cardboard cutouts.
Even his reasoning for joining is just because he thinks Marco would've done so and just wants to honor his death which is still dumb but all it does is make Marco just an armin clone in every aspect
@Isaiah Wood67 alliance hypocrisy
I don't think the idea of the alliance is bad at all but Isayama could have handled some things better, like Annie's story.
In the end the alliance logic is basically Eren's logic and that's what Isayama wanted to portray in my opinion: characters that have a goal in their mind thinking it's the right thing to do but they also have to do terrible things to accomplish it. So basically everyone wants the end of this cycle of hatred: Zeke and Eren think that it's only possible if one the sides perish. Zeke wants it to be the Eldians while Eren the rest of the world, and they do terrible things to accomplish their goal, because they think it's for the best.
Armin and the others think that there could be a third option which would be possible without killing a ton of people even though it's a far more difficult route (the partial rumbling), and they do terrible things to accomplish it, like killing their comrades, because they think it's for the best.
It's the same thing.
Not trying to be agressive;
The reason the alliance is straight up stupid, is because of them trying to halt the Rumbling. Once it began, there is no stopping it without even worse consequences than if it kept going until 100%. The extra manga pages prove it.
If you stop the Rumbling after it already reached the coast (which is inevitable, stated by the show itself), then the whole world would hate all of them even more than they already did, team up against them, and ambush Paradis. (Going by the Manga's) 20% has enough force and resources (and more people) to win a war against the Island, because the power of titans has been taken from the eldians. Also nobody is going to suddenly be friendly with Eldians (after their homes got destroyed) because of Armin claiming that he and the other cringevengers killed Eren Yeager.
If Eren completes the Rumbling, than he can free Ymir and safely get rid of the Power of Titans (so there would be no fighting over titan powers and children eating their own parents anymore)
Honestly the alliance getting so much love from the audience sickens me. I wish Isayama went with AnR, took down their Plot-Armour, and made the choice to choose the realistic ending, which would have been the cherry-on-top for an amazing show. It is pretty sad how the whole 'Eremika shipping' fanservice thing ruined the whole ending.
So anyone still think we're getting an AoE after animating this garbage? If they didn't improve the writing here, when would they start?
Eren succeeded the Rumbling and killed avengers
@Manvëru If they were going for an AoE, I think the writing would have been improved. Think about it, are we expecting the same man who wrote this to write an original ending that is coherent and true to the characters? After portraying the alliance as the undisputed good guys and the jaegerists as evil stormtroopers? Making Connie out to be sympathetic after killing his friends in cold blood when he didn't have to? I don't trust isayama to write an original ending after writing the alliance the way he did with no changes. He clearly wants you to root for the alliance and for them to defeat big bad eren
I was scrolling in the comments section and when i saw your comment i was like ay yo don't remember i commented on this video lol
@@rains-zi4ey bro he might have changed the ending only as this is not even related to the ending. We can blame ISAYAMA
@@starplatinum9726 The way the alliance is written is reflective of the author's intent and can clue you in on how the rest of the story will go.
would love to see one of the 800 ppl disliking argue these points
IF there is an anime only ending. EVERY one better die, especially the so called “alliance”.
11:18 Mappa desperately trying to recreate wits famous animation style.
I can’t take Mappa seriously when they’re using CGI ☠️
@@Tazq8p fr not that they had a choice
@@Tazq8p I mean they had to with the time deadline they had and it still looks good
@@jaredroy7315 I don’t take this useless excuse anymore, after S4P1 they could’ve ask for more time but they didn’t refuse the offer 😐
All i have to say is RESPECT to the animators.
@@Tazq8p but so far the fighting scenes have been on point ? Because of the time deadline I thought it was gonna look ass but it’s exceeded my expectations
Annie is easily one of the most unlikable characters in this series, and her generic sob story background isn’t even that sad or compelling relative to many of the other characters. I don’t understand at all what Armin sees in her... that hook-nosed psychopath isn’t even particularly hot lol
Also, 11:58 to 12:53 is the correct reaction to the end of the manga lol
Idk chief i like the bad girl vibes idk about you tho
@@kabe6927 what bad girl vibes ???
She has been despicable ever since she came back
@@khotunkhan3950 again, it's just my preference, I find her good looking but yes she is a despicable selfish Paradisians murderer
idk man, i am with armin on this one
@@kabe6927 bad girl? She sociopaths not bad girl
I am so glad I am not the only one who felt that the recent episode were trash not only animation wise but also story and the character development. How does Reiner and Annie know how to use the odm gear so well without practice for years. And the two yeargist who Connie killed were so stupid. This is such trash writing as the mangaka rushed the whole ending.
Well the best comparison i could give you for Annie and Renier using Odm gear is like getting on a bike for the first time in years. You already know how to ride it
Annie and Reiner were top 5 best in their class + they're child soldiers from Marley so its really not that surprising.
The ODM gear is a nitpick. Everything in your comment though is spot on.
@@EdwardTheMedievalist it’s not even a nitpick . My comparison already debunks it 😂😂
The animation was one of the best of S4 part 2, you're literally blind
with the power of friendship nothing will stands in our way, even millions of titans
12:42 He's taking he's daily amount of copium
Ngl I normally disagree with you but I’m 100% on your side with these past 3 episodes the animation is ass and barely anything happens
the trash animation part in this ep is when floch teleport to the sky that's all cgi is good
@@whatthedogdoin133 This is called storyboard bruh, that literally has fluid animation and him "teleporting" is an abrupt transition because Floch will say immediately about Armin and Connie
I shouldn’t say the animation is ass that’s my bad, but it just looks so boring and unoriginal look at any other anime each of them look some what original but this just feels boring now I hope and believe it will change in later episodes tho
God the plot armour was embarrassing these chapters. In the manga next chapter / episode . Connie 1 v 8 jaegerists and kills all of them with 1 swing of his sword . It’s absolutely embarrassing
Stop acting like other shows don't have plot armour as well. When aot has some plot armour, Mfs like u complain without hesitation. But its so irrelevant when u look at the bigger picture of aot and the message it's trying to show.
@@AJ-ry8qd Why are you like this?
@@elitismautumn8245
Wdym
Oh god the plot armour doesn't exist in shonen type animes. What kind of a shonen is that
@AJ bro, aot doesn't use such plot armour on people except the mc and ackermanns. This is an embarrassment for the show and author.
Annie: To us they are enemies who attacked our homeland
Me: who?
The Rumbling arc is ass
I.ve never seen so many people thinking their smart at the same place
Ngl, the animation is kinda lacking. It looks too plain to watch compared how it look in the beginning of S4 Part 2. It looks like their out of budget now for this show. It was watchable at AOT S4-S4 Part 2 beginning part. The rest just made me sleep. It’s fine, since I already read the manga. I know how it going to end.
ok
Floch still look good though. And Armin
No
It does make me sad just how rushed the avengers coming together was. The show ended when Eren started the rumbling.
I m still waiting for that episode with Eren and Ramzi
That chapter was one of the best
@@khotunkhan3950 130 as well
Ahh yes, they should have just stood around for a few days instead before coming together...
Oh wait- it's almost like they had a shared goal, and spent an entire episode working through their issues together... 🤔
Argh! My friends and I could not stop laughing the moment the plan failed.
What got me going “wut?” Was the moment when asumabito lady pinned down flock.
The beginning with Annie taking the lead for some reason while everyone else just stands there also felt off.
This is a bit stupid logic but when they say it's flying boat they are thinking it's a boat with flies. So what they thought they have to do to make sure is just to detach the plane to safe space and fly to collect the others or something. Which is ofcourse ridiculous to hear for some who knows how planes work. What makes it much more stupid is that people like azumabito engineers and onyakopon is are the critical role players in making boat fly. Yeah engineers didn't get to meet scouts but atleast onyankopon should have made scouts aware on how plane works and need fitting and inspection before flying🤦♂️.
So, from the start they never had chance to sneek out the plane, the best they can do is to reach the plane without getting suspected and protect the plane till the opposing party is wiped out which is what happened.
The show is already giving us hints of the power of friendship thats about the come....
Power of friendship, power of true love and power of retcons. Big trio
and power of love between Eren and Mikasa, basically the final nail in the coffin of the entire Attack on Titan manga
Eren became a simp ;(
And I like magath asked where Eren is going while covering Yelena's mouth and breaking her arm. Unecessary. He already knew where he is going. Everyone does. In fact why did he even ask the question at all???
Exactly! Lol like his destination is the whole world.
This episode was wasting a lot of time to me and could’ve had more action than it did but maybe that’s just me
This is what happens when even if you have the most skilled animators, it can easily turn to shit because of time crunching at unforgiving deadlines
@@aurorapaisley7453 That was not the case for this ep
Rumbling began like 5 episodes ago but you would never know had you missed that episode and kept watching the show weekly lol
I mean the titans were walking in the backgrounds and in Ep 6 they showed it happening. 😐
AniSins joked that Season 1 was 'Sit Around and Contemplate About Life for 20 Minutes...on Titan'.
In the final arc, about a world-destroying threat, this has become the reality!
9:15 music choice is trash in theses scene and this not something heroic moment friends and comrades are killing each other it's not heroic it's tragic and horrifying. At least they had basic sense for these scene.
this dude just looking to complain
Gotta stand out somehow in a site full of superior reactors with brains.
Agree the comments absolutel y nit pick everything, they feel like the would be able to make a show, They completely loose the point that its something u watch if u dont like it then dont watch it
Give him a break bro, he didn't get the ending he was looking for in the manga, favorite ship=sunk, the side he supported=defeated.
He went through a lot of mental stress already, give him a break.
You guys got hella high dosages of copium
@@Nead_Dill_Dickersons_jr I think the kids trying to justify genocide and still crying after a whole year over an ending that didn't follow their fanfic headcanons are the ones on copium.
I honestly don't care that they kill the Yaegerists. It's consistant with their plan of stopping Eren. What makes no sense for me is that hesitate to kill Eren. I don't get the shows fetish to sympathize with mass murderers lol we can understand how they came to be but it goes too far to redeeming them.
Dude earns all money from the show then calls it dogshit... And also uses the haters to gain more money.. Absolute Genius ( or is he?)
This show is now complete shit..
saint doesn’t care. he says it if its bad and praise it if its good
someone is making money by criticizing a show....wow. holy shit.
@@centurymemes1208 then why is he watching kid?explain if someone hates this much they shld move on with their life
This dude isn't making much money from these videos, trust me
sir i have a question. how are you so based?
another common W from Saintitchief
All my favourite characters fell into the trash can and never managed to get out of it again :(
I don't think you are a griefter, you probably are genuinely having a bad moment watching the show.
But it's clear that someone who build a small notoriety hating on a popular serie is bound to have heavy bias against it and this reaction only seem to confirm this.
Most of the reaction is "this character is not doing what I want him to do, it's trash writting and everyone who disagree, simply doesn't want to admit it".
nah its got nothing to do with a character not doing what i want them to do
Shows trash now, and they fucked it worse than tokyo ghoul somehow.
Think harder before commenting. Why would Connie possibly kill Sam? Think about it.
@@yoush3599 Great advice ! I will do that !
Was killing poor Sam the only possible option ? Certainly not, but it made sense to do it in context, still a brutal thing to do tho.
This was a situation of intense emotional stress for Connie, he also needed to act fast because a battle is going on and the stakes are absurdly high, litteraly the fate of humanity, we also know the guy is very emotional and not a rocket scientist, so it's likely he will go for the fastest and easyer solution, he could also be impulsive because of his current mental state.
But even leaving that out, what other options can you actually think of ?
They can tell Samuel to run, but there is no reason to think he will stop figthing, so he would likely turn against them or get flattened by a titan anyway.
They can knock him out, but what next ? They can't move him because they are surrounded by Yeagerists, so they would have to leave him next to the plane they need to protect and a bunch of explosives .
They can try to capture him , but can they afford to watch a prisonner when there is a battle going on and both Armin and Connie will be needed ?
Saying "they didn't have to kill him" is factual, but it's really implying "it make no sense to kill him, it's dumb", which is wrong.
@@yoush3599 because they're obstacles
This is the worst episode
u exaggerating
I highly recommend berserk. I’d even say it’s better then aot.
Respect berserk
It is better on all levels.
*sad berserk ost* aot's writer needs therapy
BRUH... How can I block a youtube channel, I never want to see this guy face again
With the rate this is going, I don’t think the anime will make it to the ending even with a movie.
Argh! Only 2 episodes left and they said that the anime will only go until chapter 130 of the manga.
Which means 9 chapters will be either animated into a movie, or they’ll rush the ending like the promised neverland season 2.
Either way, it’s not looking good in the next 2 weeks.
This was all pre-planned.....im not sure how the 9 chapter would fit into a movie and I also think there are gonna be some changes in the ending .....don't hate just my opinion
Im an anime only watcher, can u guys sY when eren will appear? This show is getting boring when no yeager appearance
Episode 12
Both Yeager brothers will appear
The last episode 👍
Last episode is gonna be bangin 👍🏻 so chad
Comment section:🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂asf
So glad I dropped the show after episode 21, that was the perfect sendoff for this once great series imo. Not to mention, that was the last episode where MAPPA actually gave a flying fuck about doing the source material justice. This horribly written cringevengers arc has a fittingly horrible adaptation, don't know whether to shit on MAPPA for being incompetent once again in how they treat their staff and their production overall, or to call them based for not bothering in wasting effort and talent for this trash and wisely focusing more on Chainsaw Man 😂
Same bro ............ stopped watching after erens paths message to all eldians.
Wow I'm not the only one that stop watching ❤️
Well ep animation was good atleast better thsn ep 7 8 animation why he so angry you already knows the story !?
@@pirate8085 you should be like eren and pursue something, like better grammar ya know
@@kabe6927 ep animation was fine ... I said if you guys are manga reader and already knows the story why are you getting angry ?? And saying its trash ep
Sometimes violence is only way they can't save the world if they can't kill paradise soilders
And eren can't save paradise without killing the World
Why would You try to save the world ? The same world that would came back to You and kill You ?
@@ssppooppcristi6734 dude my point is eren is doing right thing
@@ssppooppcristi6734 cause there morons they think making peace with the world will make things better 😂😂😂🤣🤣
@Manvëru not entirely but yea
and yet snowflakes try and say what isayama was trying to say was that there’s always gonna be hatred and that eren is wrong for the rumbling
I hate this episode to so I feel u
Finally someone with a brain
I miss Annie's lethal kicks from WIT.
The CG ain't doing it for me.
Thats what i thought. The way titans are animated by WIT hit different and they actually feel big. Here in S4 the titans just feel like normal people who just got sized up. Mappa still doing a great ass job though
I always said that the story turned garbage once the basement reveal became about humans vs humans and the story changed into a ww2 allegory.
Yeah anything after the ocean scene isn't really the same story anymore. Not in a good way in my opinion unfortunately.
It was still somewhat good until the grisha manipulation scene.........but after that it's not even watchable anymore...... anytime I see cringe alliance I just get enraged lol
??? But Saint’s even said the story was amazing even after the ocean scene and the timeskip. How is Season 4 Part 1 garbage, outside of it just being your personal opinion? It’s only until after Eren unleashed the Rumbling that things started going downhill.
@@komarunaegi7460 This is just my opinion. Saint of course has his own.
@@richurro20 Fair, I don’t agree with some of his opinions either but I like hearing his insight on the show. I do personally like the series up until after Eren started the Rumbling tho. I’m anime-only but heard about some of what the ending did a year ago, so I’m just along for the ride at this point.
It is so crazy, to see peoples’ vociferous support of the genocide in this story. The reactions to the show, have become a meta commentary. This is exactly what Isayama is warning us about, which is why everyone is so angry, because they see themselves exposed and critiqued. Really wild stuff.
Pretty sure everyone except the Yagerist is against the genocide in the story. As for the fandom - yeha they are a bunch of psycholaths
But both sides are trying to genocide eachother? If eldia doesn’t genocide the world, the world will genocide them. This isn’t about doing the right thing, it’s about survival, the alliance is literally fighting for the genocide of their own people, you’ll understand once you see the ending of the manga.
Isayama is an idiot. He wrote a story where genocide is literally the only option your heroes have. One mishap in terms of passing the Titan powers forward and the Eldians are under the forced peace of the first king. Unable to protect themselves from the world that's trying to genocide them. He writers a totally unrealistic situation where its either be genocided or commit genocide. No in between. And when readers go "I mean its literally their only option" that's supposed to be some sort of commentarty?
@@onepiecefan74 To say that the author is an idiot is not fair. I believe there could be a peaceful alternative to what's happening in the latest episodes, but both sides have been hurt so much that they can't forgive the other. I find it quite realistic, because that's how traumatized people operate after being oppressed for so long. They might get defensive and destructive in order to persevere themselves. And I think the extreme situation AoT's characters are put in allows us to understand this concept better.
@@littlejarofhopes It's not realistic at all, every character in the Alliance helped Eren with the 80/20 plan until it actually occured and then all of a sudden they regret their decision. Unless you are thinking that they knew that Eren had a plan to peacefully end the war which to me sounds unrealistic given the themes and nature of the show.
3:39 wym? All he did was officially apologize and admit he was wrong. I don’t see anything wrong with that..,
waste of time and pointless for the story, and time is of the essence
@@saintitchief it’s definitely not pointless but yeah they could’ve made it shorter
@@saintitchief completely out of character too, they really have to retcon everyone except Floch in the final arc.
Way too fast change of character
@@wallstreetzoomer yeah. Idk why. I remember a time where Eren and Reiner were my two favorite. After the fumbling, Erwin and Floch are the best characters
10:10
it was not done well
the VA are doing a good job
BUT
they cut out a flashback which not only shows who Daz and Samuel are (for all the people who dont remember shit)
but also shows how close they all were -
the flashback was the scene on top the wall, when sasha stole some meat, that was also cut
in the manga he says something like this "didnt we make a promise to take back the land and eat meat together"
but the meat and sasha somehow was cut from this episode... obviously to make connie look less like a fk asshole
yeah I had forgotten that flashback but other than that I will say that scene was done well
@@saintitchief yes I agree, it was made clear that Daz and Samuel were hesitating to kill their freinds, and the VAs and shots conveyed that. (love your work btw. stay well)
The promise was actually in the episode, but i think its either a mistranslation or slightly edited dialogue as i dont think i read meat but i remember lands is there
@@drakephysecron6775 yes the promise about getting land was in - but no flashback, no meat - which is key to connect this moment to sasha and underline the comradery - they were supposed to have.
I don’t really get why the Daz and Samuel part is so emotional for them as I don’t know anything about daz or Samuel or care about them
I mean they did spend a few years with them but Yeah we don’t know much about them
They were best friends 🤦🏽♂️
Sasha saves Samuel from the Colossol titan in season 1
And I think Daz has a daughter
So that eds can say the world is cruel but beautiful even tho no one they really care about died in the final arc
ofc you don't know anything about them cuz you don't pay attention to the character in season 1
this is the average aot fan, speedruns trough anime or manga, and consumes shit writing
Look... heres chief enjoying the intro compared on its first release he didnt like it.. now hes banging lol 😂😂😂
i always liked it
@@saintitchief feels like the pacing is off in this episode and lacking enough movement.. like that Mikasa attack- I visualized that to be instantaneous when I read the Mangaka
Trust me next episode is even trash bruh and I hated it so much ! The yeagrist defeated both Annie and Reiner in there freaking titan forms ! That’s just straight bs ! They plan on defeating eren but cant even beat the yergrist lol 😆
Nah Connie gonna 1 Vs 7 yeagerist with guns and bombs
@@viewer8734 Connie getting an Ackerman boost out of nowhere was some of the funniest shit that happened in the last arc 😂 Isayama completely fucked the inner logic of his own series in the ass
@@pipusmaximus189 but hey who cares about character development and storyline........cheer for the alliance because they are the "good" guys yay..............lol
@@pipusmaximus189 Are you dumb? There was 6 yeagerists rushing at Connie and from what we are shown he kills 3 of them and then fled away. How is that unrealistic when Connie is miles more experienced than these yeagerists.
What a dumb pacing 😂 they should've just packed this episode with two chapters instead of one chapter 🙄
You're joking right???
Rushed is none existent in your vocabulary i guess
I understand that you didn't like the episode and I think it's totally normal but I also noticed that because you didn't like it, you even complained about things that had no reason to be criticized.
yeah, thats true. if u hate it from the beginning, u will nitpick everything that is bad
Season 4 is trash anyways… go watch something better. There are anime and manga leagues above AOT.
like what?
@@moisesvirgen7711 I just like FMAB, Death Note, Monster and AoT so I don't care for the rest of the animes.
@@CorruptionManX Demon Slayer??
I’m just gonna hope that this man is joking, he honestly sounds like child complaining. The manga didn’t get bad, it was honestly good all the way up to the end
Good joke
@@BlackHawk2b explain how it got bad
@@Casso2611 Characters being out of character. En masse
@@BlackHawk2b instead of making general statements give specific examples
@@Casso2611 they can't. They want a badass unrealistic protagonist. So on first place they didn't even understand his character. How will they give examples? They know only to scream.
To think it has been OVER a year since this episode came out and guest what, IT'S STILL in 7 letters...
GARBAGE!!!
Samuel shot armin 3 f time and you expect to not shot if he was in their place? What’s your thought process. While saying “that’s trash” all the time 🤦 Chill and enjoy the episode bro.
Armin has a healing factor the whole island knows about, he wasn't shooting to kill.
@@donovantucker5166 doesn’t matter. and now come the think of it, the fact that he shot the mouth makes him even more re tarded bc he didn’t even give armin a chance to speak and say he would join their side
20% of humanity launched nuclear weapons on Paradis for bloody revenge! Lmfao 🤣🤣😂 Floch was right!
POV: u make a thumbnail to anger aot fans for more views
Yea more view = more cash hell yea this complaining nigga is pumpin in the vid
I hope you don’t actually un ironically think this is the worst out of 85 episodes…
why not? are you one of the fanboys?
@@johnsoapmactavish9921 he's just saying that this one's not the worst, there are even worse ones
You had no prob enjoying Floch executing someone for badmouthing him, but have a problem with Connie shooting Samuel for shooting first??? Make it make sense
already did check the qrt for the tweet
Executing an outsider threat =/= shooting your old friends
you mean samuel for shooting Armin first even tho not even a single shot is lethal for a titan shifter?
@saintitchief what 💀
@Yosua Sitepu doesn’t matter
The collective IQ of this reactor and half the commenters has to be in single digits. Just LOL
exactly like did they pay attention to the show😭. just hating to hate
Single digits?? Damn! That's too much for them.
@@slayer6225 I was perhaps a little generous
@@davidemmert7234 your grammar is god-awful for calling others idiots.
I think most of his channel fans came from an oprhanage
If you search "Attack on Titan" on TH-cam, this video is one of the first results.
Tf no it isn’t.
The only good thing about this episode is your reaction that's it.
I'm with you, one of the worst chapters of all SNK...
As a manga reader, I liked this episode.
Chad
as an manga reader , i disliked this episode
"As a degenerate I liked this episode" you mean
Viewer Lmao
Worst episode YET.
I enjoy episode 😎👌🏻👍🏻 so kewl shots and animations very very much much kool kool 😉🤡👍🏻👌🏻👏🏻
I enjoy episode 😎👌🏻👍🏻 so kewl shots and animations very very much much kool kool 😉🤡👍🏻👌🏻👏🏻