Very good way to show us how to. A trck for the users: I had a Rekluse on my wr450f and you can engage engine breaking if you give a little gas to reach the required rpm and then let it rev down the hill.
Hey John! You put that wider internal friction disc back wrong after you took the pressure plate off to adjust. 27:25. The teeth of the disc didn’t go into the basket sleeves. Really enjoy all your videos!
I'm enjoying watching you take your bike down your path while I, much more slowly, take mine down a different path. I've been considering getting a Rekluse eventually though so I'm glad to see you got one
The engineering of these things is pretty impressive. I'm amazed specifically by the adjustment methods they've come up with for each style of clutch you find on different bikes.
Hi John - great video and very helpful for a non-mechanic like me to see that it's easier than the manual leads on. One thing of note: I believe the center clutch nut is 27mm - not 28mm as you mentioned in the video. I tried a 28mm and started to strip the nut so I went back to the HW store to grab a 27mm (after measuring it to make sure) and that was the right fit. I have the 2020 450L... Also - I used an impact wrench as my wrenching with a breaker bar wasn't getting it!
I did this a while back on mine and became lazy on the clutch in technical stuff. That led to a couple of whiskey throttle episodes. I still have very good engine braking. In real sketchy tech stuff, I’ll use second gear to help with the on off throttle issue. You have done a lot to your bike. Thanks for all the videos.
I ordered this for a 19 crf450l, the gap between 2nd and 3rd is too big for single track riding.....I am revving 2nd to no end or putting\stalling in 3rd. I am told this will do wonders for m bike. I know the rekluse exp pro that I put in the hyrbrid trx250r/crf450r quad did wonders and make the quad much easier to ride on mx tracks, almost eliminated stalls and made it so I can go into a turn on 3rd......power out and shift to 4th. Before I would have to go to 2nd, shift to 3rd, then to 4th to not stall out.
In regard to one of the negatives mentioned for the Rekluse: bump starting. Bump starting a bike should be a rarity and often the need to bump start it has been caused by stalling the bike too many times in difficult terrain. With the Rekluse stalling is greatly reduced thus reducing the chances of flattening a battery anyway.
I'll tell you what John, my starter on my 450L failed. I had to have a bring in a Honda tech from out of town to come and trouble shoot the problem, as my local honda dealer couldnt figure it out. It was a C clip on the starter that had fallen off internally. Honda tech nailed the problem with in ten minutes, he figured it was not installed properly at the factory. Another thing, the 450L was hard to jump start. took me numerous attempts. If your stuck some where with no decent to help assist in the rolling jump, good luck is all I can say. Though now I have the ECU and full exhaust, so maybe that will help it fire easier if this ever happened again.
@@JohnTYoung LoL, I'm sure your fine. I had around 1200KM on when I had an issue, blew out a fork seal as well. Was all covered under warranty. Where did you get those air release plugs for your front forks John? they look a lot easier to remove than the stock ones.
Hey John - another solid video! Best looking 450l out there right now. That being said, who did the graphics for it? Looking to get some custom ones made for my 250l rally. Thanks!
John: I have a 450L with similar mods to yours: I put on a 1.85"x21 front rim in place of the 1.6". this allows me to run a wide assortment of 90/90/21 tires.
Thanks for your video It was very helpful for me while installing this clutch. I see you have a steering damper on the bike. Which one is it and do you like it? I'm working on setting the bike up to handle better in signal track.
Thank you for the video ... can I ask what spring you've used in the EXP plate (according to the manual, the default is 6x BLUE springs for a 'medium' setting; for a LOW engagement the suggestion is 3x RED + 3x BLUE) and wondered what you found works for you? How many miles have you done with the original Rekluse?
Thanks for the review! Cool that you can install these clutches and still bump start if needed. OFF TOPIC QUESTION... I've heard mixed reviews on the Stegpegz. I haven't seen you review them yet but how do you like them so far?
I know I commented on them somewhere, but just for you... I sort of sometimes like them. Standing up going uphill leaning forward on them they are alright. Downhill not so much. They take a good bit of getting used to and you HAVE to ride on the balls of your feet, not the center, or you feel off balance. On your toes it works really well.
I'm 53, and I road a little as a child. I caught the bug hard in 2022. I ride 4/5 times a week and have progressed pretty fast, but with that being said, I still make a lot of mistakes and have a lot of hard offs. Especially on steep terrain. I have arthritis really bad, and I have to put in a Rekluse. After watching a bunch of videos, I have a few concerns. My biggest is throttle control and getting back on the bike on steep terrain. Is this something that I should worry about, or is it pretty easy to get a custom to?
Yes. These guys www.amazon.com/Design-Engineering-010496-Shield-Stainless/dp/B019QGMMMC/ref=sr_1_15?keywords=dei+heat+shield&qid=1580500591&sr=8-15 . They are OK, but look meh. I may replace them. with a wrap.
So far I like it a lot. Just been doing some slow speed figure eights and whatnot in the back yard with it so far. As soon as the snow melts or the Rona goes away, whichever comes first, I'll get out on some trails and do a proper review.
I want to put one on my 450rl but I’m hesitant on losing engine braking. I’ve heard that it still has engine braking but I see your comment saying it doesn’t so I’m not sure about it anymore.
@@jdavishornet There is still engine breaking until low RPM when the clutch will start to slip again allowing freewheeling. The clutch engages/disengages at certain RPMs. There are different weight springs that you can install to set it where you would like .
Internal vs External gap for Rekluse Radius CX. I am installing my new Rekluse Radius CX and am having a tough time choosing the internal vs External gap. I like having some free play at the clutch with using the internal gap, but do not like having to remove the clutch cover to adjust Free Play Gain. I have Rekluse on some other bikes and I seem to adjust every few tanks of fuel. The ease of adjusting at the clutch cable is a big plus, but do not know the clutch lever position when over riding. How often do you have to adjust the Free Play Gain?
Hey John. Just wanted to say you do awesome informational videos. You've helped me out a lot with the build of my 2020 CRF450L. Had a question, where did you pick up those frame covers? Thanks in advance.
Ok. Yea, I can’t find any for the CRF450L. I don’t think they make them. I was going to see if the RX ones would fit on the L. Thanks again buddy. Keep up the videos!
You're the first to notice. Thank you. My wife and I bought them in Moab, UT for our "2nd wedding". Don't tell her I was wearing while working on the bike.
Dude! when that outside fiber disc stuck to the pressure plate you put it back in on the notches without the steel liner! Probably not a major issue but surprised nobody else caught that
@@JohnTYoung Awesome! Im about to pull the trigger on a rekluse but unsure because of the loss of engine braking at low rpm but I can always just hit the high idle switch on steep descents . Arthritis makes long rides hell but Ive just been weighing out the pros an cons, lots of tight technical trails with hillclimbs/descents that can be over 600+ ft in elevation change. How have you liked yours in the last year of using it?
I installed one of these but now have massive slack in the clutch cable. Even after pulling it all the way in with both adjusters...any ideas? I basically can't engage the clutch lever at all
Hi John, Thank you for all your videos! When ever I think about doing a new mod to my bike I look through your videos (multiple times)to see what manufacturer you use.and your truthful opinions! So 2 Questions What is your opinion on the recluse clutch?After riding the BDR’s Looking to up grade my clutch Also a different (more current)video you tried a rear hand brake lever that didn’t look like it worked that great. Have you tried the Recluse brake lever that is hydraulic? Again thank you for all the time you put in your videos it really helps out riders like me.
I'm loving the Rekluse. Makes life almost too easy. LOL. I looked at their brake and I didn't like the way it integrated into the system. Having said that, if Rekluse wants to send me one to try out.....
Thanks for the informative video John. Installing my Rekluse CX in the next couple of days and this video will certainly help. On another note, where do I get a skid plate like yours?
Another great video! I am curious if after installing the auto clutch if you changed your vortex settings? Mainly, the vortex trail map is smoother than the power map and wonder if the clutch influences what your preferred setting is? Thanks.
I've been using, and like, the torque / sand / traction map. I have the switch to swap between that and the power map #1, but always seem to be on the torque map.
Hi John, this might have been mentioned already in other comments, but it appeared to me that your last friction got put into the wrong groove. This happened when you reinstalled the friction after it stuck to the pressure plate (post setup). I hope this helps you. Thanks for the video.
Hi John, it looks like your bike responded nicely when you demonstrated takeoff and stopping. I’m just about to install a Radius X. I was wondering which springs and wedges you settled on. Also, did you ever find a LHRB set up you were happy with? My bike (Yamaha) also has a cable operated clutch as standard.
I'm sorry, I don't remember the specifics of springs and weight, other than they were the ones Rekluse recommended. As for the brake, so far nada. There are more out there to try, but I haven't yet.
Hey does your rekluse make some noise when it's cold? Like a little grinding? I picked up a used bike that had a dealer installed rekluse and had to adjust the clutch cable so it wouldn't pull forward. The free play gain is good. Once it's warmed up it's perfect so I'm not that worried about it. Just when it's cold it chatters and grinds a little.
"Wingman" The Rekluse will be here on Friday! Hopefully, the install goes smoothly, I don't consider myself a mechanic by any means, any tips or suggestions other than the video? Looks pretty straight forward tho. Keep up the great vids!
Thanks! It is pretty straight forward. Thew hard part is getting the clutch plate tabs in the right slot, as you can see. LOL. You're going to love it.
@@stefanhaffner3210 In theory it would. A little at least. Other factors are compression ratio, wear parts, clutch materials, etc.... Light aluminum engine parts wear faster and produce more gunk in the oil than steel ones.
Is there any engine braking with the rekluse auto clutch? Cause that’s a big deal for me, I love the no stalling in complex terrain but if there is no engine braking... it’s probably not worth it to me?
As long as your RPMs are high enough to engage the clutch, then yes, there is engine braking. If your RPMs fall below, say 2000 then it releases and no, there is none. It takes some getting used to.
Hey John. I just purchased a 2022 CRF450RL and found your channel. What’s your long term thoughts on the Rekluse clutch? Is it fiddly and are you having to adjust it every other week or is pretty much plug n play? Thank you.
I've heard a bunch of mixed reviews on what oil to use after auto clutch install. I use ams oil dirt 10w-40 now but I'm going to be installing auto clutch should I keep the same oil.
@@JohnTYoung thanks for your input people say other brands cause slipping blah blah. I believe as long as you use a quality filter and oil brand you'll be fine.
Excellent video, between this or updated V ecu / power comm. type accessory, which improves on/off power in 1st better? Or does neither. I'm used to it stock but soon as I jump on another bike for period of time its back to 450l training 101. Thanks.
The Vortex ECU is by far the better upgrade because it fixes SOOOOOOO many things. In the mean time cover the clutch with a little pressure and the twitch gets better.
Any regret on this clutch? I ride a smaller wr250r and I'm a pretty new & shorter rider. Have difficulty with things like pivot turns, wheelies, stuff like that. I assume the recluse would make a lot of this stuff easier but a number of riders say just work at using the standard clutch. Did you get this because the bike has quirks, you just wanted to ride and have fun w/o the endless hrs of work, injury that makes clutching difficult, something else??? Would you buy it again? Thanks.
No regrets, just some learning curves. I got the clutch to make adv life easier. The CRF’s clutch is OK, but when the bike is loaded down it can be a hassle trying to keep from stalling. The Rekluse fixed that, for certain. If you’re a newer riding working on improving your skills, don’t get the auto clutch. If you just want to ride , it works well.
Hey John! Love your videos! I was hoping you can give me some advice/help!? I have recently taken the plunge and bought a floor model 2020 450l after seeing how much fun you have had on yours! I live in Africa, which means that unfortunately, I get a EURO4 constrained version of the bike, which only chucks out 25hp :( I have been looking around and I know you have put in the vortex ECU and new pipe on your bike. I have a feeling part of the constraints process is that they restrict the air intake inlet on the bike. Does that mean I will have to somehow swap that out as well if I am going to try and uncork the bike? if I put in the vortex system and a new pipe will the restricted air intake mess with the mapping on the ECU? I have been trawling forums and have seen lots of people hint at the fact honda has uncorking kits available but so far haven't actually found anywhere you can get one :(
Yes and yes. Lol. Short answer. You will need the American OEM rubber carb mount. Double check the part number on that. The EU one has only a 1 inch hole in it. 😬
I don't see a comment about it, but did anyone else notice the last friction disc was reinstalled in the wrong notches? It's not where the steel guides are installed. When the pressure plate was removed and it brought the friction/steel with it, the friction was reinstalled 1 notch out. Kinda wonder how that is wearing, if it wasn't ever corrected
@@JohnTYoung I just want to add: Love your content! I just picked up a CRF450L and your videos were a huge factor in my decision to go with this bike vs a KTM 500. I did Engineer Pass on my R1200GS Adventure last year and it was miserable, hard work. The ride from Austin to CO on the thing was amazing, but once I tried to do some off-road the weight killed the fun, though there is a sense of accomplishment taking such a large bike places it doesn't really belong. Looking forward to my next trip up there with the 450, but I think I'll truck it up to CO Spring to avoid the long highway slog in the pan handle of TX
@@motarded4214 Thank you! I've ridden the CRF450L 500 miles on the road across Arizona once. It was slightly painful. But trading off road all the way back was amazing.
@@5001craig I rode without one for the first 5000 miles and while I'm glad I have it now, for high speed street riding, I don't know that you NEED one. LOL. Ask me again after I get some rocky trail miles with the damper on so I can compare that side of it.
Hi John, thanks for another video! Is this rekluse install at all related to trying to address the gas-in-the-oil issue? I'd heard that stalling could lead to gas-in-the-oil, but not sure if that's at all true.
@@JohnTYoung Got it. I have both the gas-in-the-oil and stalling issue, and was wondering if they were related. I've been faithfully following your mod videos and copying some of them. I see a rekluse in my future! :)
@@jose-tube No pressure there... For my next oil sample I'm going to do 600 miles worth of starts and stops but change the oil out at 400 or so miles. After all the research and comments I'm thinking this is just the way it is and we'll have to live with it by using quality oils and regular changes.
John, I know it's been awhile since you installed it, but I'm curious if the taking the plastic case covers off made a noticeable difference in engine noise. I'm leaning toward the Radius X over the CX since the plastics don't fit on the CX lid. Less noise and $431 vs benefits from the CX core parts, adjustability. Any comment on choosing between the two?
Great vid thanks 👍 Ps new to dual sports and bikes in general... I ride a 2019 WR450F and they are very similar to the crf450l in Australia... just curious what tire pressures you run on road? Roughly... Cheers 😊👍
Yes. Me too. But I'm cheap. And as long as they are heavily coated in oil so they can absorb it everything ought to be fine. But mostly I was being cheap.
what is the point of installing the recluse clutches?? I understand what it does and how it works but why are you installing this clutch? is it just the ease of riding? I don't think you do any tight single track. that's the only place I would see this useful. great video btw.
Thanks. The places I get into the most trouble are rocky single track, which is most of the trails around me. Baby heads slow you down and the bowling balls take you out. I swear they see me coming and rub their little evil stone hands together.
i'm an ex motocrosser/supercrosser and i'll tell you straight out, this bike is a detuned race bike with blinkers on. You could take the road legal shit off this bike and fit a set of dunlop knobblies and race this thing. It sucks as a "Duel sport". It is a detuned crf450r that you can ride on the road. Thank you to honda for giving us ex moto guys what we wanted... the trouble is, that when we got it, we realised we should have just taken our mx bikes to the track/trail and ridden a dr650 on the road...
ngfarmer..........I don’t know where you’re from but I would have to disagree completely. I guess it depends on what you consider to be a dual sport bike or what degree of off road you riding you do. A DR 650 is a horrible dirt bike. Just because you can ride it on a dirt road does not make it dirt worthy. Dual sport in my opinion means street to trail not dirt road. Which is why the Crf450L is a good dual sport bike. Here in California where the liberal tree hugging socialist leaning fun Nazis have limited our access to ride you need the PLATE to go from one trail to the next or risk a fine for operating a non licensed vehicle on a forest road. Anyway happy Trails to you .
@@MrBluesmeister yes, if that is the definition of duel sport - trail to trail, this bike rips! it is very good for that. I'm from NZ and we have a lot of gravel roads and fairly low quality pot hole ridden tarmac that leads to a lot of beaches etc. Down here thats whats considered duel sport, not so much pure off road with a plate! happy trails to you too
You should be a spokesperson for every part you put on your bike. These videos are no nonsense and no music and very well explained.
Thanks Metal!
I like how you did it with tools that non-pro shops own.
Just the tools out of my kit…
Yes. I did fix that disc that went in wrong. Thank you all for pointing it out! Ya'll are the best.
Very good way to show us how to. A trck for the users: I had a Rekluse on my wr450f and you can engage engine breaking if you give a little gas to reach the required rpm and then let it rev down the hill.
Good tip!
Hey John! You put that wider internal friction disc back wrong after you took the pressure plate off to adjust. 27:25. The teeth of the disc didn’t go into the basket sleeves.
Really enjoy all your videos!
Gah! I think you are 100% right! I'll go fishing ASAP. Thanks for spotting that.
I'm enjoying watching you take your bike down your path while I, much more slowly, take mine down a different path. I've been considering getting a Rekluse eventually though so I'm glad to see you got one
I'll try to keep you updated on how amazing it is. Or not. LOL.
The engineering of these things is pretty impressive. I'm amazed specifically by the adjustment methods they've come up with for each style of clutch you find on different bikes.
So far so good. I'm digging mine.
@@JohnTYoung I'll be installing the Radius CX on my KTM 350 on Saturday. I hope that I have as good of luck as you've had with yours.
Hi John - great video and very helpful for a non-mechanic like me to see that it's easier than the manual leads on. One thing of note: I believe the center clutch nut is 27mm - not 28mm as you mentioned in the video. I tried a 28mm and started to strip the nut so I went back to the HW store to grab a 27mm (after measuring it to make sure) and that was the right fit. I have the 2020 450L...
Also - I used an impact wrench as my wrenching with a breaker bar wasn't getting it!
Oh no! I wonder why I used a 28 then? Not enough coffee maybe?
I did this a while back on mine and became lazy on the clutch in technical stuff. That led to a couple of whiskey throttle episodes.
I still have very good engine braking. In real sketchy tech stuff, I’ll use second gear to help with the on off throttle issue.
You have done a lot to your bike. Thanks for all the videos.
I'll try not to get lazy on the clutch and oh crap too late stalled it again. LOL. Thank you for watching and thank you for the advice.
Thanks for sharing, John. Appreciate the step-by-step detail!
You’re welcome. And thank you.
I ordered this for a 19 crf450l, the gap between 2nd and 3rd is too big for single track riding.....I am revving 2nd to no end or putting\stalling in 3rd. I am told this will do wonders for m bike. I know the rekluse exp pro that I put in the hyrbrid trx250r/crf450r quad did wonders and make the quad much easier to ride on mx tracks, almost eliminated stalls and made it so I can go into a turn on 3rd......power out and shift to 4th. Before I would have to go to 2nd, shift to 3rd, then to 4th to not stall out.
I'm still very happy with mine.
when they release a bike with the mod's you have done John, we might have the perfect bike. Respect!
Thank you. To be honest, if they released a bike just like mine, I'd probably mod it. LOL. Thanks again for watching!
Another solid video. You slayed it again. 🎥
Thanks again!
Thanks for the video lot of good info I always hurd about them but never understood exactly. Ride safe 🕷
Hi john!
Is the clutch cover bigger than the OEM one? Do you or can you add more oil with the Rekluse cover ?
That's what they say, but it's only like an ounce or two. Still, every little bit helps.
Thank you for posting this. I am going to be installing the same hopefully soon. Stay safe
Thanks for watching and good luck!
Thanks John! Great tutorial.
Thank you
In regard to one of the negatives mentioned for the Rekluse: bump starting. Bump starting a bike should be a rarity and often the need to bump start it has been caused by stalling the bike too many times in difficult terrain. With the Rekluse stalling is greatly reduced thus reducing the chances of flattening a battery anyway.
Yup
I'll tell you what John, my starter on my 450L failed.
I had to have a bring in a Honda tech from out of town to come and trouble shoot the problem, as my local honda dealer couldnt figure it out.
It was a C clip on the starter that had fallen off internally.
Honda tech nailed the problem with in ten minutes, he figured it was not installed properly at the factory.
Another thing, the 450L was hard to jump start. took me numerous attempts.
If your stuck some where with no decent to help assist in the rolling jump, good luck is all I can say.
Though now I have the ECU and full exhaust, so maybe that will help it fire easier if this ever happened again.
I am hoping anything that would have shaken loose has done so in the last 6000. But you never know. Here's to Plan C!
@@JohnTYoung LoL, I'm sure your fine. I had around 1200KM on when I had an issue, blew out a fork seal as well. Was all covered under warranty.
Where did you get those air release plugs for your front forks John? they look a lot easier to remove than the stock ones.
@@fragpants Errrr, I don't remember where I got them.
this would be perfect for single trail riding. really thinking about investing in one!
With the Rekluse it rocks on technical terain.
@@JohnTYoung good info.
Hey John - another solid video! Best looking 450l out there right now. That being said, who did the graphics for it? Looking to get some custom ones made for my 250l rally. Thanks!
Wow. Thank you! Attack Graphics though Rocky Mountain ATC/MC.
John: I have a 450L with similar mods to yours: I put on a 1.85"x21 front rim in place of the 1.6". this allows me to run a wide assortment of 90/90/21 tires.
@@brucepowell5228 Nice! I have a 90 90 tire on the front now. Seems to ride and track very well.
Thanks for your video It was very helpful for me while installing this clutch.
I see you have a steering damper on the bike. Which one is it and do you like it? I'm working on setting the bike up to handle better in signal track.
I have the Scotts. Can't got wrong.
Thank you for the video ... can I ask what spring you've used in the EXP plate (according to the manual, the default is 6x BLUE springs for a 'medium' setting; for a LOW engagement the suggestion is 3x RED + 3x BLUE) and wondered what you found works for you? How many miles have you done with the original Rekluse?
I used the default springs and the Rekluse now has 19,000 miles on it.
Great video John 👍
Thank you!
27:33 that friction plate that came out with the pressure plate went back in the wrong slot without steel guides.
Yup. I fixed it off camera. Thank you.
Thanks for the review!
Cool that you can install these clutches and still bump start if needed.
OFF TOPIC QUESTION...
I've heard mixed reviews on the Stegpegz. I haven't seen you review them yet but how do you like them so far?
I know I commented on them somewhere, but just for you... I sort of sometimes like them. Standing up going uphill leaning forward on them they are alright. Downhill not so much. They take a good bit of getting used to and you HAVE to ride on the balls of your feet, not the center, or you feel off balance. On your toes it works really well.
I'm 53, and I road a little as a child. I caught the bug hard in 2022. I ride 4/5 times a week and have progressed pretty fast, but with that being said, I still make a lot of mistakes and have a lot of hard offs. Especially on steep terrain. I have arthritis really bad, and I have to put in a Rekluse. After watching a bunch of videos, I have a few concerns. My biggest is throttle control and getting back on the bike on steep terrain. Is this something that I should worry about, or is it pretty easy to get a custom to?
I got used to it tho it can be tricky. Once you develop a steady throttle hand life is easy with the Rekluse.
Good vid as always.
What have you put in exhaust collector? Look like some heat protector cloth?
Yes. These guys www.amazon.com/Design-Engineering-010496-Shield-Stainless/dp/B019QGMMMC/ref=sr_1_15?keywords=dei+heat+shield&qid=1580500591&sr=8-15 . They are OK, but look meh. I may replace them. with a wrap.
Curious how you're liking the clutch, any chance on a video showing how it works in different conditions? Pros and cons? Just a thought.
So far I like it a lot. Just been doing some slow speed figure eights and whatnot in the back yard with it so far. As soon as the snow melts or the Rona goes away, whichever comes first, I'll get out on some trails and do a proper review.
@@JohnTYoung love to see long-term clutch review.
@@chiptaxfree SO far it's been great, other than freewheeling downhills where I'd rather be engine braking.
I want to put one on my 450rl but I’m hesitant on losing engine braking. I’ve heard that it still has engine braking but I see your comment saying it doesn’t so I’m not sure about it anymore.
@@jdavishornet There is still engine breaking until low RPM when the clutch will start to slip again allowing freewheeling. The clutch engages/disengages at certain RPMs. There are different weight springs that you can install to set it where you would like .
Internal vs External gap for Rekluse Radius CX. I am installing my new Rekluse Radius CX and am having a tough time choosing the internal vs External gap. I like having some free play at the clutch with using the internal gap, but do not like having to remove the clutch cover to adjust Free Play Gain. I have Rekluse on some other bikes and I seem to adjust every few tanks of fuel. The ease of adjusting at the clutch cable is a big plus, but do not know the clutch lever position when over riding.
How often do you have to adjust the Free Play Gain?
Hmmm. I've adjusted it twice in 10,000 miles. The last time because I had to pull the clutch lever part and re-install it.
Hey John. Just wanted to say you do awesome informational videos. You've helped me out a lot with the build of my 2020 CRF450L. Had a question, where did you pick up those frame covers? Thanks in advance.
Thank you! The covers are for an RX. I don't remember where I ordered them from anymore. Sorry.
Ok. Yea, I can’t find any for the CRF450L. I don’t think they make them. I was going to see if the RX ones would fit on the L. Thanks again buddy. Keep up the videos!
Your ring is AWESOME
You're the first to notice. Thank you. My wife and I bought them in Moab, UT for our "2nd wedding". Don't tell her I was wearing while working on the bike.
2nd wedding? Hey you have to explain now... lol never heard of a second wedding. Did you just redo your “valves” (put intended)
Dude! when that outside fiber disc stuck to the pressure plate you put it back in on the notches without the steel liner! Probably not a major issue but surprised nobody else caught that
They did, and I went back in and fixed it. Thanks for the double check!
@@JohnTYoung Awesome! Im about to pull the trigger on a rekluse but unsure because of the loss of engine braking at low rpm but I can always just hit the high idle switch on steep descents . Arthritis makes long rides hell but Ive just been weighing out the pros an cons, lots of tight technical trails with hillclimbs/descents that can be over 600+ ft in elevation change.
How have you liked yours in the last year of using it?
So far I love it. No issues. For engine braking you’re just going to go a little faster and blip the throttle to re-engage the clutch. Easy Peasy.
@@JohnTYoung Thanks that sounds perfect, Gonna be stoked to try it out
Nice add on... you built my TAT bike
I installed one of these but now have massive slack in the clutch cable. Even after pulling it all the way in with both adjusters...any ideas? I basically can't engage the clutch lever at all
Sounds like something internal is not set up right. Check in with Rekluse.
Hi John,
Thank you for all your videos!
When ever I think about doing a new mod to my bike I look through your videos (multiple times)to see what manufacturer you use.and your truthful opinions!
So 2 Questions
What is your opinion on the recluse clutch?After riding the BDR’s
Looking to up grade my clutch
Also a different (more current)video you tried a rear hand brake lever that didn’t look like it worked that great.
Have you tried the Recluse brake lever that is hydraulic?
Again thank you for all the time you put in your videos it really helps out riders like me.
I'm loving the Rekluse. Makes life almost too easy. LOL.
I looked at their brake and I didn't like the way it integrated into the system. Having said that, if Rekluse wants to send me one to try out.....
Nice boots. Red and black!
Thanks for the informative video John. Installing my Rekluse CX in the next couple of days and this video will certainly help. On another note, where do I get a skid plate like yours?
Thank you! The skid plate is an AXP Racing plastic one. Love it!
Another great video! I am curious if after installing the auto clutch if you changed your vortex settings? Mainly, the vortex trail map is smoother than the power map and wonder if the clutch influences what your preferred setting is? Thanks.
I've been using, and like, the torque / sand / traction map. I have the switch to swap between that and the power map #1, but always seem to be on the torque map.
Hi John, this might have been mentioned already in other comments, but it appeared to me that your last friction got put into the wrong groove. This happened when you reinstalled the friction after it stuck to the pressure plate (post setup). I hope this helps you. Thanks for the video.
Yup. Thank you for letting me know, and yes, everyone mentions that. I'd fix the video but I'm lazy. LOL
Hi John, it looks like your bike responded nicely when you demonstrated takeoff and stopping. I’m just about to install a Radius X. I was wondering which springs and wedges you settled on.
Also, did you ever find a LHRB set up you were happy with? My bike (Yamaha) also has a cable operated clutch as standard.
I'm sorry, I don't remember the specifics of springs and weight, other than they were the ones Rekluse recommended. As for the brake, so far nada. There are more out there to try, but I haven't yet.
@@JohnTYoung thanks, guess I’ll stick with the springs they recommend
Hey does your rekluse make some noise when it's cold? Like a little grinding? I picked up a used bike that had a dealer installed rekluse and had to adjust the clutch cable so it wouldn't pull forward. The free play gain is good. Once it's warmed up it's perfect so I'm not that worried about it. Just when it's cold it chatters and grinds a little.
Not that I've noticed, but my hearing is pretty bad.
Nice!!!! Did you drain the oil prior to replacing the clutch?
Thanks, and no. Just lay the bike on its side.
Another great vid!
Thank you!
"Wingman" The Rekluse will be here on Friday! Hopefully, the install goes smoothly, I don't consider myself a mechanic by any means, any tips or suggestions other than the video? Looks pretty straight forward tho. Keep up the great vids!
Thanks! It is pretty straight forward. Thew hard part is getting the clutch plate tabs in the right slot, as you can see. LOL. You're going to love it.
Great video, John, thanks a lot. One question: How much bigger is the oil volume after the "surgery"? Does it lenghten the oil change intervalls?
It only adds .1 liter, so...? I feel better about going 1000 miles between, tho
Do you know another method to get the oil volume bigger? Cause I think, that lenghtens the change intervals, doesn't it?
@@stefanhaffner3210 In theory it would. A little at least. Other factors are compression ratio, wear parts, clutch materials, etc.... Light aluminum engine parts wear faster and produce more gunk in the oil than steel ones.
Thx A lot
Is there any engine braking with the rekluse auto clutch? Cause that’s a big deal for me, I love the no stalling in complex terrain but if there is no engine braking... it’s probably not worth it to me?
As long as your RPMs are high enough to engage the clutch, then yes, there is engine braking. If your RPMs fall below, say 2000 then it releases and no, there is none. It takes some getting used to.
Hey John. I just purchased a 2022 CRF450RL and found your channel. What’s your long term thoughts on the Rekluse clutch? Is it fiddly and are you having to adjust it every other week or is pretty much plug n play? Thank you.
I fiddled for a few days when I first got it but haven't had to touch it since. Seems pretty bombproof considering what I am asking it to haul around.
I've heard a bunch of mixed reviews on what oil to use after auto clutch install. I use ams oil dirt 10w-40 now but I'm going to be installing auto clutch should I keep the same oil.
I’ve tried a bunch. I still prefer motul 7100
@@JohnTYoung thanks for your input people say other brands cause slipping blah blah. I believe as long as you use a quality filter and oil brand you'll be fine.
I’ve never had a problem with any of them. But that’s me
Excellent video, between this or updated V ecu / power comm. type accessory, which improves on/off power in 1st better? Or does neither. I'm used to it stock but soon as I jump on another bike for period of time its back to 450l training 101. Thanks.
The Vortex ECU is by far the better upgrade because it fixes SOOOOOOO many things. In the mean time cover the clutch with a little pressure and the twitch gets better.
Thanks very helpful.
Any regret on this clutch? I ride a smaller wr250r and I'm a pretty new & shorter rider. Have difficulty with things like pivot turns, wheelies, stuff like that. I assume the recluse would make a lot of this stuff easier but a number of riders say just work at using the standard clutch. Did you get this because the bike has quirks, you just wanted to ride and have fun w/o the endless hrs of work, injury that makes clutching difficult, something else??? Would you buy it again? Thanks.
No regrets, just some learning curves. I got the clutch to make adv life easier. The CRF’s clutch is OK, but when the bike is loaded down it can be a hassle trying to keep from stalling. The Rekluse fixed that, for certain. If you’re a newer riding working on improving your skills, don’t get the auto clutch. If you just want to ride , it works well.
Hey John! Love your videos! I was hoping you can give me some advice/help!? I have recently taken the plunge and bought a floor model 2020 450l after seeing how much fun you have had on yours! I live in Africa, which means that unfortunately, I get a EURO4 constrained version of the bike, which only chucks out 25hp :( I have been looking around and I know you have put in the vortex ECU and new pipe on your bike. I have a feeling part of the constraints process is that they restrict the air intake inlet on the bike. Does that mean I will have to somehow swap that out as well if I am going to try and uncork the bike? if I put in the vortex system and a new pipe will the restricted air intake mess with the mapping on the ECU? I have been trawling forums and have seen lots of people hint at the fact honda has uncorking kits available but so far haven't actually found anywhere you can get one :(
Yes and yes. Lol. Short answer. You will need the American OEM rubber carb mount. Double check the part number on that. The EU one has only a 1 inch hole in it. 😬
I don't see a comment about it, but did anyone else notice the last friction disc was reinstalled in the wrong notches? It's not where the steel guides are installed. When the pressure plate was removed and it brought the friction/steel with it, the friction was reinstalled 1 notch out.
Kinda wonder how that is wearing, if it wasn't ever corrected
If you scroll down you may see it was mentioned a time or two. And yes, it was corrected in the real world. Thanks for catching that tho!
@@JohnTYoung Glad it was caught! Did you ride it much before fixing it?
@@motarded4214 Nope. It's all good.
@@JohnTYoung I just want to add: Love your content! I just picked up a CRF450L and your videos were a huge factor in my decision to go with this bike vs a KTM 500. I did Engineer Pass on my R1200GS Adventure last year and it was miserable, hard work. The ride from Austin to CO on the thing was amazing, but once I tried to do some off-road the weight killed the fun, though there is a sense of accomplishment taking such a large bike places it doesn't really belong.
Looking forward to my next trip up there with the 450, but I think I'll truck it up to CO Spring to avoid the long highway slog in the pan handle of TX
@@motarded4214 Thank you! I've ridden the CRF450L 500 miles on the road across Arizona once. It was slightly painful. But trading off road all the way back was amazing.
Great videos John! Did you do one on the steering damper?
Thanks!
Thank you. Not yet but I’ve had a couple of requests so I will. On the mean time, I like it. Especially on the street.
@@JohnTYoung Looking forward to it. I'm thinking I NEED one but have never had one...
@@5001craig I rode without one for the first 5000 miles and while I'm glad I have it now, for high speed street riding, I don't know that you NEED one. LOL. Ask me again after I get some rocky trail miles with the damper on so I can compare that side of it.
Hi John, thanks for another video! Is this rekluse install at all related to trying to address the gas-in-the-oil issue? I'd heard that stalling could lead to gas-in-the-oil, but not sure if that's at all true.
This is directly related to stalling, yes, but not about the gas in the oil issue. Just me, stalling the bike in super steep or rocky areas.
@@JohnTYoung Got it. I have both the gas-in-the-oil and stalling issue, and was wondering if they were related. I've been faithfully following your mod videos and copying some of them. I see a rekluse in my future! :)
@@jose-tube No pressure there... For my next oil sample I'm going to do 600 miles worth of starts and stops but change the oil out at 400 or so miles. After all the research and comments I'm thinking this is just the way it is and we'll have to live with it by using quality oils and regular changes.
Would you say this is a huge improvement on the quality of life with the bike? I'm thinking I'll really like this.
For me, yes. No more clutching. Wheelies are harder tho...
John, I know it's been awhile since you installed it, but I'm curious if the taking the plastic case covers off made a noticeable difference in engine noise. I'm leaning toward the Radius X over the CX since the plastics don't fit on the CX lid. Less noise and $431 vs benefits from the CX core parts, adjustability. Any comment on choosing between the two?
It did get louder… or more noise does get thru, but I always ride with ear plugs so….
Great vid thanks 👍
Ps new to dual sports and bikes in general... I ride a 2019 WR450F and they are very similar to the crf450l in Australia... just curious what tire pressures you run on road? Roughly...
Cheers 😊👍
23 psi. Thanks for watching!
How many miles did that stock clutch have on it?
A couple thousand? Not many.
@@JohnTYoung i was just wondering because it looked brand new lol
Mind blowing. I had never seen anything like that. Are you still able to lift the front wheel by dropping the clutch? Ciao, Marco.
Yes. As long as the rpms are north of 2200 rpm the clutch is engaged like normal
@@JohnTYoung Very cool then. I’d say a must have for tight technical trails then.
ive seen peoples put that exp disks under oil in 5 min fully dumpped oil in pucket
Yes. Me too. But I'm cheap. And as long as they are heavily coated in oil so they can absorb it everything ought to be fine. But mostly I was being cheap.
Nice work
Thank you
what is the point of installing the recluse clutches?? I understand what it does and how it works but why are you installing this clutch? is it just the ease of riding? I don't think you do any tight single track. that's the only place I would see this useful. great video btw.
Thanks. The places I get into the most trouble are rocky single track, which is most of the trails around me. Baby heads slow you down and the bowling balls take you out. I swear they see me coming and rub their little evil stone hands together.
@@JohnTYoung bahahaha. that's funny "little evil stone hands" makes sense.
i'm an ex motocrosser/supercrosser and i'll tell you straight out, this bike is a detuned race bike with blinkers on. You could take the road legal shit off this bike and fit a set of dunlop knobblies and race this thing. It sucks as a "Duel sport". It is a detuned crf450r that you can ride on the road. Thank you to honda for giving us ex moto guys what we wanted... the trouble is, that when we got it, we realised we should have just taken our mx bikes to the track/trail and ridden a dr650 on the road...
ngfarmer..........I don’t know where you’re from but I would have to disagree completely. I guess it depends on what you consider to be a dual sport bike or what degree of off road you riding you do. A DR 650 is a horrible dirt bike. Just because you can ride it on a dirt road does not make it dirt worthy. Dual sport in my opinion means street to trail not dirt road. Which is why the Crf450L is a good dual sport bike. Here in California where the liberal tree hugging socialist leaning fun Nazis have limited our access to ride you need the PLATE to go from one trail to the next or risk a fine for operating a non licensed vehicle on a forest road. Anyway happy Trails to you .
@@MrBluesmeister yes, if that is the definition of duel sport - trail to trail, this bike rips! it is very good for that. I'm from NZ and we have a lot of gravel roads and fairly low quality pot hole ridden tarmac that leads to a lot of beaches etc. Down here thats whats considered duel sport, not so much pure off road with a plate! happy trails to you too
great channel
Thank you!
and YES I own one of these crf450l's so I do have a right to my opinion, lol
Everyone has a right to their opinion... Yours happens to be an informed opinion. Thanks.
U da MAN !
LOL. Thanks!
Oddly enough, my Supercub has a centrifugal clutch and I can bump start it in third.
In third, it's probably spinning fast enough to lock up. But more importantly... you gota cub!?! Nice man.
Gracias por la información 😁👍
De nada.
I’d just use the OEM cover
Why?
1000.00 for that clutch . Everytime we need a part they cost over the moon.
Yup. It's insane. I could see it if it was made from titanium.
What is the bike madal name please
It’s a CRF450L