Slightly tuned her difficulty from the original to the remake version, but the time limit is a ton of damage before your hit with 9999 dmg with no way to survive so that’s nice at least.
The fact that Pixie is the one Elizabeth uses to intakill you speaks MOUNTAINS of just how much free time she has At least Margareth used the King of Fairies, her? Nah Pixie is more than you deserve
its a reference to SMT Nocturne, that game started the trend (running gag?) of having a Pixie with super-beefed up stats and Megidolaon + other high level skills
>Makoto accidentally triggers high-counter Elizabeth: “……..” Makoto: “…….. I’m sorry. I made a momentary lapse in judgment and hope you can forgi-“ Elizabeth: “Megidolaon”
They nerfed Almighty magic HARD. Since they can't apply the nerfs to P5R and Izanagi-No-Okami, they went for P3R, their newest game. Also, no Almighty Amp exists either. It's sad. Also, Lucifer Blade looks fugly. The original had a beautiful crystal blade with white wings as the hilt. Also it gave +10 all stats. So even that blade got nerfed. Both aesthetically and by ability.
Orpheus Telos is based on a Prime Persona in the 2 series. Prime Personas are basically the Mid Tier upgrades of an initial Persona. Also, I was pointed out that Orpheus Telos has a similar color scheme to Aigis.
Yeah would have been cool if the answer did have a movie adaption makoto and aigis persona would fuse to have Orpheus telos the red is the blood from makoto body and a nice grave scene to end the movie
@@axell15thewispmaster79 something like that. Though not in this case. I said that Orpheus Telos is a reference to Persona 2’s Prime Personas. What Orpheus Telos acts as is heavily variant from game to game. He’s the Ultimate Persona of the Male Protagonist in Q2, while his female counterpart uses Messiah. And Messiah is one of Telos’ fusion Materials. So it’s complicated.
So the Megidolaon that's part of Elizabeth's standard rotation doesn't instakill anymore? Makes sense since the "Infinity" fusion spell isn't available anymore so you'd have no way to avoid it.
The instakill still exist. But the difference is you need a ton of homunculus or an Enduring Soul and Endure skill to survive. OT didn't break any rules, Just Elizabeth became a bit more harder than her old she has like 2 phases to fight her and two turns. One is the typical old elizabeth with the rotation and the 2nd shits get real with ultimate spells like Nifelhein, Ragnarok etc and Megidoloan now involve. What makes it more difficult, she can "heal" not because you break the rules cuz you reached the quota of her health around... 10k I think? the half of it. Fail to reach 10k quickly will also result a megidoloan but with endure skills it shouldn't be a problem.
@@mytylbluebird7696 Homunculus doesn't block the Megidolaon, it only blocks Instant Death ailment infliction, Lizzy's Megidolaon that she did in her attack rotation would do 9999 previously, now it does normal damage so that you can play the fight without access to the invincibility skill they got rid of
Friendly reminder that this is the only way to get Victory Cry in this game. So yeah, have fun trying to find the optimal way to get everyone's social links maxed out in a single run! ...That was sarcasm btw.
This is the one thing i liked about 3, even though I never earned it, I really wich they had kept this concept of getting a Persona for maxing all out. In 4 and 5 it feel more like a "good job" sort of thing then any sort of reward
Well this persona is about ten years old, where shiny is popular back then so that probably also why they only recolored Orpheus lol, but to me Messiah will always be the ultimate Persona for this MC
@@rickyxiak1704 Orpheus Telos is an extra addition gameplay wise much like Super/Ex Dante unlocked after beating the DMC game depending on bonus conditions. Makoto’s ultimate persona will canonically always be Messiah, atleast according to Original/Ps2 version’s credits where you can see his silhouette behind the persona.
it is cool because in a way we can use orpheus at the final lineup easier than leveling him up all the way, also because it is orpheus reborn by all the protagonist's bonds, messiah is still his ultimate persona, while orpheus telos is a way to counter the secret boss and also to show the limitless potential of the fool arcana (has no afinity restrictions for inherited skills)
I beg to differ, the main character main persona are always awesome, so having the og have this power to be on par/better than most of the late game is sick. Sad it didn't continue, izangi picaro was P5 thing yet it only appearance. I love that Orpheus here only start with one skill cause of what the Fool represents, Zero but endless potential
The fact that a high counter hecking triggered her like, instantly, not even the next turn since it was her 2nd move already before it. Savagery at its finest.
In my opinion, pairing Enduring Soul with Firm Stance might've been a good way to reduce damage taken and then maybe have Regenerate 3 to replenish what little damage you actually do take but to each their own. Everybody has their own style of persona builds and if it works for them; that's good enough.
i managed to pull this fusion off the day before the final battle, had to sell some bloody buttons to make it happen but it was worth it; also i went the harem route with no negative consequences
Yes, she is buffed and nerfed in the same time. She now only does 9999 Megidolaon once(because there is no Invulnerable protection spell) if you manage to skip her 13000 to 10000 stage, and her attack does less damage. But her "die for me!" can not be avoided by using homunculus.
I just wanna know, does the Colorless Mask carry over to New Game+ in Reload? I know it doesn't in the older ones but I fucked up on Ken's link episodes and missed out on Michael which I need to make Metatron. EDIT: I started my New Game+ and it carries over. Thank God, I would've been pissed if I had to do every social link again just because I missed out on one persona to be able to fuse it.
It looks fine to me, I see that the camera work is more dynamic than usual but honestly i don't see it being that much of a difference from p5 apart from the colors simply being more vibrant
I failed to complete all social links, only Aigis was left with rank 5 by the end of the game. I started a new game plus and my social links don't carry over bruhhh, not playing a 100 hour game again just for a achievement
It's so weird listening to this new Igor, it'll definitely take awhile to get used to And I'm glad that they kept Telos and it's absurd requirements to get in Reload Edit: it seems like the Elizabeth fight is just as hard as I remembered good, let the new players suffer
I like it. Let’s say someone plays this as their first persona game and then goes to 4, they’ll think “ok so Igor has a different voice in every game I guess” then when they get to 5 they won’t immediately realise fake Igor is fake
I don’t think I’m gonna finish all of the social links in time I’m on 1/16 and still have 4 ranks left for Bebe 3 ranks left for Mitsuru and 8 ranks left for Aigis.
Kinda. You have to max out every social link in one playthrough to get it, but that playthrough can be ng+. I maxed out all but aigis and came up short, so I'll try again another time
Its most likely akin to tier 2 ultimate personas like in P4G and P5R. Interestingly Orpheus Telos is most likely the starter for Atlus to make tier 2 ultimate personas since its first debut was in P3F predating Royal and even Golden. The only reason why I'm not sure if Orpheus Telos is indeed the first instance is because of Eriko having 2 different ultimate personas (one for P1 and one for P2EP).
Messiah is his ultimate. Orpheus Telos is mostly just a bonus reward for getting all social links maxed out while also being a reference to Prime Personas from P2 (its Japanese name is Orpheus Modified, which is the naming scheme for Prime Personas in the original P2s in Japan).
Telos is the ultimate Perona in terms of gameplay. It resists everything which doesn't trigger Elizabeth's insta kills and can inherit any skill in the game. It exists to fight the toughest boss so it's going to be a gameplay beast.
The BGM music dlc’s, it was a preorder bonus but others can pay for one, either by getting it separately or picking up the digital premium deluxe version of the game now…but that BGM music dlc you can buy adds music from the persona 5. Where the persona 4 was exclusive for preorder. But getting extra music dlc unlocks the ability to change music.
@@zaqareemalcolmi would imagine that huge maybe would turn into a yes, considering social stats aren't an issue anymore and that you should know all of the best options to say in each sl
Should also add that you need to have viewed all of Kens link episodes as well, as that unlocks Michael, which is needed for Metatron, which is needed for Telos
@@alamdiaz5550 Todas en un solo año En la primera run es un poco complicado si no se administra bien el tiempo Ya en Nueva Partida+ es más fácil subir los vínculos sociales
It is the 101st request available, you have to have completed 90% or so of every request, and have finished the kill quest for the reaper and final monad door. Then it appears and forces you to fight her solo if you bother to try.
![Persona 3 Reload: The Reaper Level 16/Single Persona/No NG+ (Merciless) [No DLC]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/sy7-Hgi47eM/mqdefault.jpg)
But but It was just a high counter! I swear I didn't reflect phys.
Elizabeth: Die.
Even a High Counter reflect can now net you an overkilling Megidolaon?
Yep@@mrsuzan533
@@mrsuzan533yes
@@mrsuzan533 yes
Is that what happened to me!
Elizabeth keeping her title as hardest BOSS in all of persona series
Just like reaper haha Elizabeth most hardest one
@@WindLucas-k7hizanagi no okami picaro
Slightly tuned her difficulty from the original to the remake version, but the time limit is a ton of damage before your hit with 9999 dmg with no way to survive so that’s nice at least.
Nah Lavenza is harder
It's boring is what it is. Its more a puzzle than a boss fight. I don't care for it
I love how the Ultimate Megidolaon's animation is different from standard Megidolaon
it is really cool
I didnt expect it and i love it! ... I sorta wanna know what shes saying before she executes the MC with it too tho!
It sounds like she says "I bring you Megidolaon"@@elioalbertopereyra4702
The fact that Pixie is the one Elizabeth uses to intakill you speaks MOUNTAINS of just how much free time she has
At least Margareth used the King of Fairies, her? Nah Pixie is more than you deserve
its a reference to SMT Nocturne, that game started the trend (running gag?) of having a Pixie with super-beefed up stats and Megidolaon + other high level skills
@@zaqareemalcolm I did know about that, but of the 4 known attendants, she is the only one to have done that
The twins use diahrahn with pixie@@Hc2p3n4t4rp
5:25 It seems High Counter is no longer viable for this fight.
>Makoto accidentally triggers high-counter
Elizabeth: “……..”
Makoto: “…….. I’m sorry. I made a momentary lapse in judgment and hope you can forgi-“
Elizabeth: “Megidolaon”
Magic Ability: strengthens non-almighty magic skills
the only magic skill he's got is an Almighty skill
I would've done the same
In other games it does boost so me too
They nerfed Almighty magic HARD. Since they can't apply the nerfs to P5R and Izanagi-No-Okami, they went for P3R, their newest game. Also, no Almighty Amp exists either. It's sad. Also, Lucifer Blade looks fugly. The original had a beautiful crystal blade with white wings as the hilt. Also it gave +10 all stats. So even that blade got nerfed. Both aesthetically and by ability.
Yeah I think Shift Amp would’ve been better here.
@@nicholastaylor5354Elizabeth 9999 Megidolaons you if you null *anything*, so that's not an option.
Bro put charge on him
Orpheus Telos is based on a Prime Persona in the 2 series. Prime Personas are basically the Mid Tier upgrades of an initial Persona.
Also, I was pointed out that Orpheus Telos has a similar color scheme to Aigis.
Yeah would have been cool if the answer did have a movie adaption makoto and aigis persona would fuse to have Orpheus telos the red is the blood from makoto body and a nice grave scene to end the movie
That or Orpheus' eyes and body switched color while getting a gold color scheme like some of the Prime Personas before.
So basically we have normal Persona -> Prime Persona -> Ultimate Persona, correct?
@@axell15thewispmaster79 something like that. Though not in this case. I said that Orpheus Telos is a reference to Persona 2’s Prime Personas.
What Orpheus Telos acts as is heavily variant from game to game. He’s the Ultimate Persona of the Male Protagonist in Q2, while his female counterpart uses Messiah.
And Messiah is one of Telos’ fusion Materials. So it’s complicated.
@@TheJaredPunch I know, just asked for the "evolution line" of personas
So the Megidolaon that's part of Elizabeth's standard rotation doesn't instakill anymore? Makes sense since the "Infinity" fusion spell isn't available anymore so you'd have no way to avoid it.
The instakill still exist. But the difference is you need a ton of homunculus or an Enduring Soul and Endure skill to survive. OT didn't break any rules, Just Elizabeth became a bit more harder than her old she has like 2 phases to fight her and two turns. One is the typical old elizabeth with the rotation and the 2nd shits get real with ultimate spells like Nifelhein, Ragnarok etc and Megidoloan now involve. What makes it more difficult, she can "heal" not because you break the rules cuz you reached the quota of her health around... 10k I think? the half of it. Fail to reach 10k quickly will also result a megidoloan but with endure skills it shouldn't be a problem.
@@mytylbluebird7696 Homunculus doesn't block the Megidolaon, it only blocks Instant Death ailment infliction, Lizzy's Megidolaon that she did in her attack rotation would do 9999 previously, now it does normal damage so that you can play the fight without access to the invincibility skill they got rid of
You need to do enough damage
Then you go to one health
Friendly reminder that this is the only way to get Victory Cry in this game. So yeah, have fun trying to find the optimal way to get everyone's social links maxed out in a single run!
...That was sarcasm btw.
NG+ ftw baby, no worrying about social stats, access to all the arcana personas you need, while also knowing what not to say in SLs
Yeahhhh tbh not doing this on my first run through... lol, though I do understand if there are people who want to absolutely min-max everything.
I have ptsd of maxing social links in a single run in FES, back then you couldn't waste a single day lol it was insane
It's actually super easy and forgiving in reload, I got everyone but bebe's link maxed out on my first run@@Kumire_921
and that was without a guide
Not him making the worst possible build for Orpheus Telos.
Nice to see the other Persona games getting recognised
This is the one thing i liked about 3, even though I never earned it, I really wich they had kept this concept of getting a Persona for maxing all out. In 4 and 5 it feel more like a "good job" sort of thing then any sort of reward
Wish it looked better than re-colored Orpheus 😭
Well this persona is about ten years old, where shiny is popular back then so that probably also why they only recolored Orpheus lol, but to me Messiah will always be the ultimate Persona for this MC
@@rickyxiak1704 Orpheus Telos is an extra addition gameplay wise much like Super/Ex Dante unlocked after beating the DMC game depending on bonus conditions.
Makoto’s ultimate persona will canonically always be Messiah, atleast according to Original/Ps2 version’s credits where you can see his silhouette behind the persona.
@@rickyxiak1704 17 years and a bit to be precise
it is cool because in a way we can use orpheus at the final lineup easier than leveling him up all the way, also because it is orpheus reborn by all the protagonist's bonds, messiah is still his ultimate persona, while orpheus telos is a way to counter the secret boss and also to show the limitless potential of the fool arcana (has no afinity restrictions for inherited skills)
I beg to differ, the main character main persona are always awesome, so having the og have this power to be on par/better than most of the late game is sick. Sad it didn't continue, izangi picaro was P5 thing yet it only appearance. I love that Orpheus here only start with one skill cause of what the Fool represents, Zero but endless potential
The fact that a high counter hecking triggered her like, instantly, not even the next turn since it was her 2nd move already before it.
Savagery at its finest.
In my opinion, pairing Enduring Soul with Firm Stance might've been a good way to reduce damage taken and then maybe have Regenerate 3 to replenish what little damage you actually do take but to each their own. Everybody has their own style of persona builds and if it works for them; that's good enough.
i managed to pull this fusion off the day before the final battle, had to sell some bloody buttons to make it happen but it was worth it; also i went the harem route with no negative consequences
"Automatically enhances all non-Almighty magic skills by 25%"
*Only active skill is morning star*
🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
don't forget putting Charge instead of Concentrate on Telos
nvm i'm blind
Did elizabeth just hit you with the uber pixie??
Oh that's really cool, having a recompense for all the social links
There wasn’t a reward back in Persona 3 (not FES), FES added Orpheus Telos.
Well at least now we know this persona is in the game
idk why it wouldnt be tho
Fair point
Oh. Does she now Uber Pixie if you High Counter?
Yes
Yes, she is buffed and nerfed in the same time. She now only does 9999 Megidolaon once(because there is no Invulnerable protection spell) if you manage to skip her 13000 to 10000 stage, and her attack does less damage. But her "die for me!" can not be avoided by using homunculus.
Rivers in the desert!
Its the way you can finally have the colorless mask forever instead of doing EVERY SOCIAL LINK AGAIN *:)*
Ah yes, shiny Orpheus
✨✨✨✨✨✨
charge and magic ability... on a persona with zero phys skills and no non-almighty magic skills...
"nah this persona is mid"
The same guy doing this goofy aah build
I just wanna know, does the Colorless Mask carry over to New Game+ in Reload? I know it doesn't in the older ones but I fucked up on Ken's link episodes and missed out on Michael which I need to make Metatron.
EDIT: I started my New Game+ and it carries over. Thank God, I would've been pissed if I had to do every social link again just because I missed out on one persona to be able to fuse it.
thank you for this, i literally missed the same Ken link for michael and i stopped playing at 30\1 for the same reason lmfaooo
You know, p3r is the only persona game that gives me headache with the constant zooming, shaking, and many flashing white light.
Yeah I don’t get why they did all that. It’s irritating.
It looks fine to me, I see that the camera work is more dynamic than usual but honestly i don't see it being that much of a difference from p5 apart from the colors simply being more vibrant
Weak genetics issue
That magic ability triggers my ocd so bad.
I failed to complete all social links, only Aigis was left with rank 5 by the end of the game. I started a new game plus and my social links don't carry over bruhhh, not playing a 100 hour game again just for a achievement
It's so weird listening to this new Igor, it'll definitely take awhile to get used to
And I'm glad that they kept Telos and it's absurd requirements to get in Reload
Edit: it seems like the Elizabeth fight is just as hard as I remembered good, let the new players suffer
It's the same VA as Igor from persona 5. It's the real ignor, not the fake pretending to be him
@@FumeRunner Yep. Kirk Thornton
I like it. Let’s say someone plays this as their first persona game and then goes to 4, they’ll think “ok so Igor has a different voice in every game I guess” then when they get to 5 they won’t immediately realise fake Igor is fake
It’s still the same VA just sounds different for some reason
It seems harder in some ways but easier in some ways too
Why tf you need Magic Ability skill when you don't have magic in your persona skill??
For other personas
I missed Ken’s second epistle I’m locked out of using telos. :’(
Charge on almighty Orpheus telos NAH. Makoto yuki fuses worst persona ever. Asked to leave the Velvet room.
I see you changed it later for concentrate in the fight
Does Telos get logged in the compendium?
I don’t think I’m gonna finish all of the social links in time I’m on 1/16 and still have 4 ranks left for Bebe 3 ranks left for Mitsuru and 8 ranks left for Aigis.
Hey in new game plus can you summon Orpheus telos from the compendium
I missed 3 social link..
2:50 How did you change the battle theme to Rivers in the Desert?
Buy dlc then you can see it in config
@@tranlewlinign9592so theoritically you can set it to the og Mass Destruction if the song being released as DLC? Good news
Does it count if you max out the bonds in multiple new game plus
My question is does the NG+ count towards this goal because if not oh geez this is going to be a problem
Kinda. You have to max out every social link in one playthrough to get it, but that playthrough can be ng+. I maxed out all but aigis and came up short, so I'll try again another time
How did you fuse asura? Or what day does triangle fusion come?
In my opinion Orpheus Picaro looks better, i wish we could get those dlc personas here
orpheus picaro is orpheus made in the image of p5's protagonist and school. why would we get him as dlc for persona 3?
Will a homunculus help you with Elizabeth's Megidoloan that does 9999 damage or the Endure skill?
No. Those only work against instant death skills, ie hama or mudo not her overkill almighty which is just her personally being a villain
Wait, Orpheus telos is the ultimate persona? Wasn't he Messiah?
Its most likely akin to tier 2 ultimate personas like in P4G and P5R. Interestingly Orpheus Telos is most likely the starter for Atlus to make tier 2 ultimate personas since its first debut was in P3F predating Royal and even Golden. The only reason why I'm not sure if Orpheus Telos is indeed the first instance is because of Eriko having 2 different ultimate personas (one for P1 and one for P2EP).
Messiah is still Makoto's/Minato's ultimate persona. Orpheus Telos is just Orpheus reborn from the bonds he created
Messiah is his ultimate. Orpheus Telos is mostly just a bonus reward for getting all social links maxed out while also being a reference to Prime Personas from P2 (its Japanese name is Orpheus Modified, which is the naming scheme for Prime Personas in the original P2s in Japan).
Telos is the ultimate Perona in terms of gameplay. It resists everything which doesn't trigger Elizabeth's insta kills and can inherit any skill in the game. It exists to fight the toughest boss so it's going to be a gameplay beast.
Telos was a reward for players for maxing out all bonds. Makoto's ultimate persona is messiah.
It's a shame they haven't done this since P3.
I haven't finished all social link i will play second time take Orpheus telos
the requirement makes this not worth it
When you do the persona
Yo brother do you know how to fuse micheal ?
You need to have spent time with Ken every time he asked you to... that's literally the only way
@@wrongtree4975I found it out the hard way... Need to go through another playthrough, just to be able to fuse Michael...
I don't get the strategy with just giving him one Attack with all of option you had but I won't argue you do you
You don’t really need anymore than on attack tbh
He has an almighty skill... no other attack is needed because it ignores all resistances.
Why would you need more than one almighty attack on a single Persona?
dummy
Having passives is good
how you can change the song? i have been looking for that since games release
The BGM music dlc’s, it was a preorder bonus but others can pay for one, either by getting it separately or picking up the digital premium deluxe version of the game now…but that BGM music dlc you can buy adds music from the persona 5. Where the persona 4 was exclusive for preorder. But getting extra music dlc unlocks the ability to change music.
Does cadenza animation change???
...no.
Chat is this possible without a guide? (Maxing out all SL)
prolly not 💀
very strict if you're starting from scratch so no, its huge maybe if on a new game plus
@@zaqareemalcolmi would imagine that huge maybe would turn into a yes, considering social stats aren't an issue anymore and that you should know all of the best options to say in each sl
Cool
Messiah not ?😢
how do you fuse Lucifer ;-: i can’t find him in the special fuse
You need the Star Arcana for Helel and other one same...
You have to complete enough quests to bring Elizabeth to your room, then she'll give you the item you need
How hard was it to get
Max every social link in one run
Should also add that you need to have viewed all of Kens link episodes as well, as that unlocks Michael, which is needed for Metatron, which is needed for Telos
@@wrongtree4975 yea somehow google is not keen on giving out that info part
Solo se necesita todos esos personas? No hay nada más que hacer?
Para fusionar a Orfeo Telos tienes que desbloquear todos los vínculos sociales y subirlos al máximo
@@layunaru1666 debe ser individualmente partida o o todas en un año? :0
@@alamdiaz5550 Todas en un solo año
En la primera run es un poco complicado si no se administra bien el tiempo
Ya en Nueva Partida+ es más fácil subir los vínculos sociales
@@layunaru1666 Entiendo muchas gracias por tu tiempo
wait how we fight with elizabeth
It is the 101st request available, you have to have completed 90% or so of every request, and have finished the kill quest for the reaper and final monad door. Then it appears and forces you to fight her solo if you bother to try.
How to fuse Michael????
You have to view all 5 of Ken's linked episodes(which takes the whole run, including true end)
I dont like the new morning star animation 🥲
Imagine if it failed
Your choices of spells were pretty terrible bro
Why the yell does she get more than 1 turn? Also just use izanagi no okami
no izanagi no okami in this game's dlc, only standard one and without myriad truths either
Bro how do u LOSE TO ELIZABETH but it was your first try. I suggest getting some good stuff for Orpheus telos and Armageddon
Wow
I know how to beat the boss i can give you a few good strats for him. I also have proof i have the raidant orb as well.
He already beat it
idk why i said radiant i meant omnipotent but yes I see he beat it.
@@thehomie3676 lol