E3D`s Revo™ Upgrade meets Anycubic Vyper/Kobra Max 3D-Printer! Review, Tutorial and PLA-Giveaway
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Hello guys!
After encountering a few issues with multiple nozzlechanges and strange issues with a few filaments, i wanted to get rid of those issues by an upgrade - since dozens of hours of tweaking settings didn`t lead to desired results.
Then i came across this Revo-hotend with its unique feature i will show in the video very closely and i was very surprised how much this thing was worth the try!
Showing the BIG advantages, testing different filaments, presenting testprints and guiding you through the simple installation process are the topics i wanted to share with you in my first youtube-project!
One of my subscribers gets the chance to win 1KG free PLA and more giveaways are on my list for future videos to appreciate your support!
This is my first ever recorded video and also my first time trying to record myself speaking english - would be super happy about your feedback in the comment section!
THANK YOU for being here!
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Links
Hotendadapter STL:
www.printables.com/de/model/1...
Revo™ bei E3D: e3d-online.com/?aff=28
Stecker-Set von Amazon: amzn.to/3tGuBHd
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STLs:
Revo-Nozzleholder: www.printables.com/de/model/9...
Hand with mushroom (SuperMario): www.printables.com/cs/model/3...
Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson Pokemon: cults3d.com/de/modell-3d/vers...
Articulated octopus and bunny: www.myminifactory.com/users/d... - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
Youre english is great! Dont doubt yourself. This guide was perfect. Your explanation on everything including crimping was very detailed.
Definitely sold me on putting a revo on my vyper. Thank you!
I am so very glad that I found your video. It's going to be a big help not only for me, but a friend who just started printing. Thank you!
Thank YOU for your comment :) I am also working on an tipps and tricks video esp for beginners to troubleshoot issues and make big improvements in printquality - might also be interesting then😊 If there are any questions feel free to reach out!
Thank you for your Video. It was super helpful. I changed things up a tad. and sacrificed the Thermistor and Heater Cartridge cut off their wires and soldered them onto the wires of the Revo. Shrink wrapped them. Then I took the screws from the heater block and used them to connect the two pieces of the hotend adapter. screwed right into the holes and were the perfect size. then. I just screwed the screws from the hot end holder into the top of the adapter and it held about as tight as possible.
Its an absolutely great improvment. I'd been having problems with the stock hot end.
What a great video. I'm so glad you posted this in the kobra max group on facebook. I've had so many issues with my stock hotends and I didn't even think I could pull this off but your English is fantastic and the instructions are clear and very helpful. Thank you for making this. I'm autolevelling my revo as I write this!
Thank you very much!! :) Wasnt sure if sharing would get enough attention haha Feels gr8 that ppl find their ways in here :) Yeah stock ones can be awesome or a nightmare -Or both at the same time 😆 Thank you very much again for your kind words! How does it work? :)
@@tombeardy4833 Still lots to do! PEI sheet on the way to help with my adhesion issues and still need to tune my settings but I'm impressed so far. It's inspired me to look at more upgrades :)
@@tombeardy4833 Just watching you swap the nozzles out has convinced me I need to do this upgrade to both my Kobra Max and Plus
Glad it helped 😊 Hope everything works smooth! If i can help, let me know :)
Your video just sold me on two revo units today! Thank you.
Haha nice! Where did you get it? :) I shared a link under the video :D
Thank you! I normally don't comment on people's English but wanted to let you know that I didn't even think anything about your English until you mentioned it. You speak very well.
Thank you SO much! Sorry for that late reply, i dont get a notification for every comment :/ Huge thanks again! Hope you come by for my next video which should launch soon 😊
Great workTom! I’m not gonna lie, I’ve been waiting for this video after seeing your results on FB. I need to upgrade my Vyper now.
Thank you very much! Yeah sadly it took a bit longer but we have flu-season 😆 Enjoy it! And if you need any assistance let me know!
It was very helpful. I bought the Kobra Max because I wanted to have a printer that worked great out of the box and didn't need upgrades... Now you have me wanting to make upgrades....
Thank you and sorry :D But why not improving? ;)
if it aint broke...dont fix it'
This is an amazing step by step video! Thank you so much!! I just used it to install it on my Kobra Max today. Your english is perfect and you speak english better than a lot of people I know and they are born in the USA! LOL! Thanks again!
What exact settings are you using for your Kobra max. I cannot seem to get mine working
This was wonderful. Thank you so much for your time and effort. Your English is awesome by the way. Substantially better than my German
look at that mini benchy! who does that!
Awesome video, with great information… I hope to upgrade my vyper very soon.
Thank you eric! :-)
Thank you for this very detailed and informative video. I didn't mind your accent at all. I really like how you went through every step and made it easy to follow. Thank you also for adding the parts in the description. I recently purchased a Anycubic Kobra Max and am brand new to 3D printing and look forward to seeing more of your videos.
Thank you for your comment :) Glad i was able to provide infos ppl might need😊 Awesome! Hope you enjoy the hobby :) My next printer review is in the making -in the meantime i will post a bunch of "Shorts" here on youtube so you may see some cool prints! If you have any questions about our hobby feel free to reach out😊
@@tombeardy4833 Thank you, I will
Finally got this mod done after months of procrastinating and leaving things unfinished. Only issue I had was that Pronterface would not let me send M500 or M503, but Octoprint's terminal did. Your English is excellent btw, at least as good as most Americans!
Ordering a Vyper and Revo Six now. Got the Revo Hemera XS running on my SX1 (V1) and it is really worth the money :) Nice video, well done :)
Thank you VERY much! Hope everything runs smooth :)
Wow, perfect video. The Max community needed this... idk how i have not found it earlier
Thank you very much! I know how that feels haha Soon i will release a video about an entire upgraded - printhead with new fans and so on. Super interesting to make and print :) Happy you think my video is "needed" - feel free to share :P If you need some help let me know!
@@tombeardy4833 Will do, looking forward to the upgrade videos, you would be a godsend hahah.
I had been searching for something like this for a while now.
Very informative video. You have provided a complete step by step illustration that really helps users new to 3d printing feel comfortable doing the revo hot end mod. P.S. your grasp and execution of the English language is very good and easy to understand. Thanks so much for taking the time to produce your video and I hope to see more in the future.
Thank you very much for your awesome and objective feedback jeff! I will upload the next - even larger video - this week in german and hopefully next week in english :) Also first time talking a bit in front of the camera haha Hope to see you there as well! And rly thanks again for your comment! Sometimes when my shorts struggle to get views its abit frustrating but such comments help a lot! Highly apprechiated😊
Excellent video. Thanks, and upgrade will happen for my Vyper.
Thank you very much!
Awesome! Theres a link in the description leading you to E3D - they have their stuff discounted 😊
Thank you for the awesome video Tom, you certainly inspired me to chose my next Vyper upgrade :)
One question: did you notice flow rate reduction compared to the stock Volcano hotend? What maximum speed you were comfortable printing PLA with?
It needs a bit more tweaking beacause the volcano is pretty "leaking" due the high melting capability which is a bit too high imo. Thats why many ppl encoubter stringing and oozing and unclear seems. If you raise the temp a bit printing up to 120mm/s for bottom layers works pretty good still with the Revo :-) At least you wont loose speed while increasing quality - at least thats what happend in my case😊
Small parts i normally print with 30mm/s outer and 45mm/s inner walls and 60mm/s infill :) Very small things smaller for sure and big parts...like REALY big parts 60 outer, 75 inner and 80-90 infill. But since thats a bit noisy with the steppers i keep a bit under those values mostly :) Otherwise my girlfriend hates me👀😄
awsome work brother !!!!! great video very pro !!!
Oooooh here he is haha Thank you very much my friend!
1. Your English is Great!
2. I'm looking for a large build volume option for being able to print high-temperature plastics, glass/carbon nylon etc. For engine intake components is this printer with this upgrade a good option for that? It seems like a very cheap option at least!
right now i use a duplicator 4 printing in ABS and don't have the hot end temperature or build volume for what i'm looking for :/
3. What Programs do you use for slicing for this? The least experience i have in 3d printing is in the software end of things
First of all, Thank you so much for your video. It was really helpful! I was wondering how much percentage infill you used for printing the REVO_SIX_Adapter for auto bed leveling. I think i will use abs for this adapter. Huge Thanks :)
Hey there! Glad it helped you 😄
I just went for 100% grid infill to be safe :) Abs will work just as fine
Ahh PID Tuning, reminds me of my control engineering module in university. Gold times
Great video & explanation, the STL isn't listed for the hotend adaptor anymore, can you please share the link again
Thanks :)
Great video Tom!
Thank you very much😊😊
Awesome! Gonna do this!
Enjoy it! If you need any assistance let me know :)
Great video tom i wanna do this to my vyper and my kobra max but cutting wires always makes me back away lol
Thank you very much!
Well if shipping wouldnt cost much from Austria i am happy to help :-)
@@tombeardy4833 thats ok i gotta learn how to do it i appreciate the offer though :)
Thumbs up from me. Awesome content. Thank you!
Thank you VERY much 😊😊
Hi awesome video!
I have 2 question!
Why we have to add some new cable the one from the Revo are no enough long? What type of cable we have to use??
And is the new link for the adapter work as the one it was previously ? Thx
Thx!
Those cables are includes in every Revo-Six unit. They are simply adapters to be used if you need them way longer to connect them all the way down to the mainboard for example. In the Video - like i mentioned -they should just be cutted at around 5cm or so and then used :) The reason for not cutting and adapting the JSTs to the Revos maincable is 1st Warranty and also some ppl got issues with those cables getting crimped :) Yeah looks absolutely the same to me :) Maybe a bit less space for the cables to be installed but should still work fine
Hello, At 15:24 where you are holding a short black cable, what is the longer black connector on top? I do not see that part referenced earlier in the video. Thank you.
i got a full stock kobra max looking to do this upgrade. Did you notice any reduced speeds with this upgrade, i have things set at default (still new) at 80mm, will i still be able to keep speeds or with this not being a volcano will it slow everything down? Other thing i was curious bout they got a 60w high flow hotside which im guessing increases flow rate. Idk much bout it, and advice on both these be appreciated.
Thanks for this video I really love this. What filament did you use for the adapter ? PLA or PEtg
Thank you very much! :) I went with PETG so theres less risk to crack it when you screw it together since that needs some torque :)
Would be great to test Biqu H2 Revo and high flow nozzle. I have Kobra Max adapter for H2 Lite and H2.
Great explanation a question that I have is why can’t you put the jst plugs and metal piece right onto the thermistor and heater
Hey! Thanks :) You mean on their cables? Somehow ppl had errors when doing so (i know it doesnt make a lot of sense lol) and also a warranty issue imo since you loose that if you cut the direct cables instead of the extensions :)
Hi and thank you for this tutorial. Do we have to adjust retraction, flow etc? Second: What filament did you used for the adapter?
Hi Dimitris! Yep as always if you change anything hotend or extruderwise you should check them. I was able to lower retract to 2.5mm distance at 40mm/s when i needed around 5mm at the same speed with the stock hotend :-)
Flow was the same for me - just the temperature needs to be increased since the stock vypertermistor shows around 10-15 degrees less and the revo is pretty spot on :) Before i printed fast things (70mm/s) with 205 and now with 220 :) But nothing major - more important is the at the end of the video shown PID-tuning :)
Hope that helps!
@@tombeardy4833 Hi Tom! Thanks for your answer, it helps! ;)
Thank You!
Youre welcome :)
How does that work with the leviQ ? Doesn’t it use induction on the nozzle?
the hot end temp is running away and i don't know to regulate it. the moment i powered on my printer, the hot end temperature shot up to over 300 C. What could I have done wrong?
Good stuff! When printing in petg do u use all The nozzle sizes or do u stick with the .4?
Hey there! Thank you!
For now i just stick with 0.4 to be honest sincle i mostly print PLA atm for christmas😊 But i wouldnt expect any issues with higher/lower nozzlesizes
Would it work for the Kobra Plus? I guess it's the same architecture? isn't it?
Will this fit the plus too? Thanks loved the video
It should. The max and the plus print heads are identical.
Tom did you have any issues with Auto Bed Leveling?I I have had issues with just different brands of the J5 Hotend requiring different Z offsets, sometimes large differences. Great job I have ordered a Revo.
Hi Don!
For sure you need to re-adjust the offset - either manually which could be risky haha or simply relevel.
There are certain nozzlesizes that show a bit of an difference - E3D also showed that info on their website somewhere. I had to lower the z-offset by 0.2 if i use 0.25 or the 0.15 nozzle.
0.4 and 0.6 use the same offset :) So to jump on the safe side i just went through one quick testprint each (only firstlayer) and noted/reminded the offset :-) Hope that answeres your question!
Thank you!😊 If i can help you anymore let me know :)
@@tombeardy4833 Thanks Tom
Did you have to modify the printer firmware to properly accommodate the Revo Six hot end thermistor? The Kobra Max stock firmware with stock hot end has the wrong thermistor defined in the firmware source. This results in hot end temperature being about 18% higher than the display reading. For the Revo Six hot end sensor line number 442 of Configuration.h (in Marlin folder) needs to be changed as follows :
#define TEMP_SENSOR_0 5 //11 for stock KM hotend. 5 for Revo Six
Note that I have not yet verified this as my Revo Six is still in transit. But correcting the thermistor define in the firmware source corrected the 18% temp error with the stock hot end.
Hey, would you recommend the Revo Voron hot end? Or just get the revo six. Are there particular benefits with the six?
Hey! Its the same hotend perse. Just the heatsink looks different :-)
Did you also print ABS with this Revo six if yes how are the results
i just picked up the Hemera xs... im gonna put it on my kobra max.
Hope it works well!
Hello Tom can you please mention what app do you use to connect to the printer? thankyou so much I bought a revo for my kobra plus after watching this video.
Hey Rehan! There are a few but i used Pronterface 😊
@@tombeardy4833 Thanks Tom!
Will the new hotend go hotter than the stock 260 degrees on the kobra max? If yes, how do you get kobra max computer to allow you to go above 260 degrees? Thank you!
Would this work on the kobra 2 max?
Thank you for this video ! I just installed the Revo on my KobraMax :) I have just a question, when I set 200° on my nozzle and measure it with a meter I just have 185°. Before with the volcano it was 205° Do you have an idee ? Also how can I mod the firmware to go to 300° ?
Hi Bernard!
Have you run the auto tune shown at 16:20 with pronterface?
That is definitely required with a hot end swap.
@@ruftime Hi ! Yes I did. But meanwhile I took the temp more inside and the reading was then correct.
@Did you have to reinstall software on Printer to get Reevo to work? I am thinking about Hemera Reevo upgrade
Hola, tengo un inconveniente con la Revo Hemera, y no se como instalarla me puedes dar consejos?
Can I use this hot end on the anycubic Kobra neo
So will it work with the anycubic kobra 2 pro as well?
What software is that? I'm new to 3d printing
revo is good replacement for ur normal v6 hotends but vyper and kobra utilize volcano...in theory and with fine tuning it can do 120-180mm/s printing and whit bimetal heatbreak and for example CRT nozzle u can pump that up in theory even more and allowe printing those high temp and corrosive materials ( ofc in vyper and kobra...speed is pretty much limited by its software it has...still not opensource for its marlin files...anycubic said its in plan for future but who knows) revos easy to use its god damn nice and planning to build quick swap between both of those 2 for kobra max when its arrives for different usecases :) heating up volcano will take lot longer cause its heating area is larger making it better for fast prints that way too
Absolutely. But i came ro the conclusion (for myself lol) that this high melting capacity of Volcanos are simply too much for a slow printer esp if theres no LA/PA so printing smaller things or detailed stuff with above like 80-100 is nearly impossible to get without ringing, or detailloss or anything. If you flash with klipper thats an entire different story for sure :) But if you go like 30-50mm/s i think that early filamentmelting may be the cause why you need more retract and so on
@@tombeardy4833 for sure...and just direct drive modding can pretty much negate largest quality issue of volcano
Thanks Mate top vid and better english then me
Thank you very much! Haha I hope i can get still better over time :D
Hey, I'm looking to get the Revo and also upgrade to the Stealthburner print head with it. Do you know if the grove mount adapter of the Revo Six can be removed and then mounted with screws from the top, similar to the Rapido or Dragon hotends?
Not 100% sure but maybe it works better with the voron variant? Since you already have holes at the top? :)
@Tom Beardy Yes that's true, I just wanted to be able to also mount it on the stock mount (I'm still waiting on a PCB I need for the Stealthburner upgrade, and it might take a while to get here). But I went for the Voron edition and found an adapter for the Vyper mount. I'm currently in the process of upgrading, and it should work fine.
Fingers crossed! :)
@Tom Beardy Works great so far with the custom cooling shroud! One of the big print quality improvements I noticed are much cleaner extruded lines. With the stock hotend, the extruded lines were fuzzy and did not have clean edges, though I assume the cheap and semi-cheap nozzles I used are at fault there. And the nozzle changes are soo much more convenient. Now it's just more waiting for the PCB to arrive to upgrade to the Stealthburner with a bltouch :)
how do i find the interface like that?
How many mm/s are possible with Anycubic vyper and Revo Six?
Curious if the auto leveling function continues to work after the hot end swap? Wouldn't want to do this swap and not be able to autolevel the bed of the Kobra Max.
Theres no reason why it shouldnt. You mount the hotend using the adapter to the strain gauge which is responsible for leveling :) Works like before! Just make sure you wont damage the levelsensors cables and youre 100% good :)
@@tombeardy4833 thanks. Wasn't sure how the strain gauge worked.
@@chrisnenzel582 Youre welcome! Let me know if you need anything else :)
Hi, is there actually an increase in print quality compared to the stock? Its hard to tell without a side by side comparison.
Hey!
Absolutely!😊 - I showed quiet a few side by side comps using the temptowers :) Esp at the very beginning you see the one on the left showing the revo, and to the right the stock one :)
@@tombeardy4833 thanks. Yeah I saw that. I mean like layer lines etc on regular prints. Photos taken with a light from the top. Just wondered if there is a difference?
@@ProfessorPolygon Definetly! I think the first comparisson at the "intro" tells a good story. With the stock one you can/may always encounter a bit of rougher surfaces depending on the filament. And the mate ones showed the BIGGEST improvement i could imagine. At others line 3d-jakes Pla, the difference was less in the pure surfacequality but also in way less stringing which is also an improvement for sure.
So depending on the filament you might notice smaller improvements than at others but still improvements for sure in my opinion!
What about firmware settings for new thermistor?
I want to install a Revo™ Hemera XS on my anycubic Kobra neo printer can this be done if so help lool
I personally must say the adapter feels a bit too long especially the airflow or does it still do it nice?
I did see petg isn’t nice with the V8 hotend it leaked all over the place.
Yeah its a bit longer but you could also print some adaptive fan-shrouds to make it fit 100%. But i never had any cooling issues so far :)
Oh rly? Maybe too hot? :D
I bought the revo but one thing I'm not sure is the + and - of the wires or does that not matter, I don't want to short the board
Nope that doesnt matter :-)
Are there any upgrades to allow the kobra max to go to 300 C hot end?
Yeah this one :) Just need to enable that temp in the Firmward.
I had read about overheating problems with the revo in combination with vyper. Is this still a problem?
Neither me or many others i am in touch experienced this. I have also heard of that but it didnt depends on the printer it was used at. Maybe a production or wire issue...or a bad batch of thernistors. I have no clue but after over 500 printinghours with the revo - and others using it for even 6 months now, never had one single issue :)
Hi Tom, I did the upgrade, not to revo but a V6. Everything should be fine, but can't use the printer at all, because somehow he finds always the peviews auto level data when the hotend was shorter. I almost close to broke the heatblock. I try to save the auto level mesh data with merlin pronterface but after the autolevel data is displaying starting to send me continuous messages echo:busy paused for user... and I can't write the M500 to save the data. I'm hopeless really. Please help if you could.
Hi!
And simply autolevel via the printers screen wont work? :) I also had issues with pronterface when it came to level. But just using the screen worked wonders for me
hey guys / Tom
before i begin I just want to say this is an excellent video...
I have installed the Revo six and now trying to do the PID tuning
I have connected my VYPER to the printer interface on my Mac and I have run the first command to run my fans successfully. (M106 S255)
After I put in M303 E0 C5 S210 U1
I keep getting an unknown command error at the end
echo: Unknown command :"M10M105"
any suggestion?
im based in USA - NY
Hey Vincent! I think i have seen your facebook post shortly ago :) Do you use Pronterface or something different?
Happy trying to help!
And thank you very much for your compliment on my video🤗 I rly apprechiate every feedback, every view, like sub haha everything. Maybe some of my shorts will also show you some nice prints you may want to try :)
@@tombeardy4833 i use Pronterface..... I believe I posted a screenshot on the Facebook post..... I just don't get it... I fold your steps exactly.
When I first got this printer for my birthday, it worked so flawlessly in like a dream come true.
But for the past month, it has give me nothing but problems.
Then someone posted that I should upgrade and you have a video on TH-cam.
I followed your video and subscribed to you and it was great
You were so easy to follow along and so easy to understand you. (I don't know why you say your English is not good)
Seems good enough for me....
@@tombeardy4833 yes... I do plan on watching more of your videos..... But I need to fix my printer first
Thank you very much again! That gcode sadly makes zero sense since its not used on 3d printers lol Can you controll your temp with pronterface and also movements? Extruder and so on?
Will this effect the auto leveling capability of the printer?
Not at all :)
@@tombeardy4833 Thank you so much for your prompt reply. I only have a couple more questions: I've never messed with the firmware. Do you have a tutorial on how to access it and edit it as you did in your video?
I spent the money, installed it. And it’s printing terribly. Any help?
Does this work with the Kobra Plus?
Yep
Are the nozzles available in hardened steel?
They should be there already but E3D has some shipping delay. Currently showing January :/ Search for "E3D Obxidian" :-)
@@tombeardy4833 Thank you!
🤔 Would this be compatible with the Kobra Plus?
Yes
Is the pid tuning necessary?
Yeah i would def. Recommend it!
I am on windows,.,how do I get that printer interface app
Sooooo When I do the m500 command after pid autotune, it doesnt tell me it saved and it seems to make Pronterface stop working. wont do a m503 or really accept any command after that. I have a Kobra Max. Any Ideas whats happening?
Soo I found out on this video (th-cam.com/video/BanGpOIs5Sc/w-d-xo.html) the Kobra max locks up after a PID autotune on pronterface and the PID numbers have to be saved manually.
Good to know! Havent heard of such issues yet :/
The hotend adapter link is broken :(((((( my revo 6 just came today too
I take a look :)
The previous ones are taken down. I have found a VERY similar one and added the link in the discription 😊
Can you do an anycubic kobra max w/ a Biqu h2?
H2 especialy v2 has serious issues
where do i find extension cables
Either in one of the shops selling the hotend but theres one pair added to each package if you buy one ;)
Gibt es eine andere Möglichkeit, als wegen den 4 Steckern ein ganzes Set für 47,99€ bei Amazon zu kaufen?
Ja evtl zu einem Computergeschäft, dass auch reperaturen anbietet schauen, die machen das vermutlich für eine Spende :) Ich kanns dir aber auch "machen" wenns dir den Versand wert ist :)
@@tombeardy4833 Hallo, habe nun mein Revo Six Hotend hier liegen und wollte mal nachfragen ob das Angebot noch steht? 🙂
Are these supposed to smoke a lot when they first turn on ???
Hey! No absolutely not😶🌫️ Might be a issue with thermal runaway - thats fixed with an Firmware update as far as i know🤔
So who won the giveaway
I made a "shorts" video about the winner😊 Krajisnik if i remember correctly. Next giveaway is planned already. Next video should upload already but my entire family fell super ill so the video is on hold for a few days :)
Hey Tom,
Did you need to change the thermistor type in your printers firmware when you installed the Revo 6 ?
I watched another vid from teaching tech
th-cam.com/video/K3NnNRKdrEQ/w-d-xo.html
where he also installed the Revo 6 but had to change the thermistor type in the firmware and recompile it.
Any advice greatly appreciated 👍
Quality hotend meets junk 3d printer.
So upgrading isnt allowed? That means only high-end stuff should be upgraded thats already great?😅
@@tombeardy4833 Spending on upgrading cheap printers doesn't make much sense when you could spare yourself of those expenses by just investing in a better machine.