Having been raised in a strict fundamentalist family, I have many times experienced the emptiness of actions offered by my believing family members only because they believed it was getting them points on their celestial scorecard. It’s not true love, compassion, or empathy. It’s bereft of all substance. Religion is the antithesis of morality, not the basis.
Ahaaa-hahahaha 😂 so true, seems Hitch was wasted that night and on first gear, even so he still managed to demolished and run over the apologetic Frank. Have to give props to Turek though, I mean to debate the best orator, intellectual thinker of modern times, well, he still got Hitchslapped that day.
It was easier for theists when everyone thought the earth was 6K years old, dinosaurs had not been discovered, and the earth was the center of everything. Every time science takes us deeper into understanding, they simply concede and say God was before that and created it. When the multiverse is discovered, they will say God created it and again will be wrong.
There has never been any evidence whatsoever for a multiverse. Why do you believe it exists? It is a theory that was very popular and has since been shot down by the entire scientific community.
@@Flying_Snakes There has never been any evidence for the multiverse theory ever. It was thought up to try to explain away the fact that the design of the universe seems to be near perfect for existence of space/time/matter and life. It's much harder to believe that the blind laws of physics created life, rather than something with intelligence. It sounds like a reach of faith when you have no evidence for a multiverse.
Lol…. He gave plenty of opening facts, literally gave specifics to the thought of a Creator. Unfortunately, the problem with these types of debates, some people go in just waiting for “their guy” to tell them want they want to hear. You probably should take the time and look into the facts for Intelligent Design.
As a former Christian who argued with atheists quite a bit, I can look back now and plainly see that I was mostly being defensive of my insecurity about beliefs I had adopted. I suspect this is a common motivator in many pedestrian debates on deity. Now, it’s much easier: if I’m insecure in a belief, I can conclude that I lack knowledge and not panic. Turns out that claiming to have answers that no one is capable of having really puts you in a pickle. Especially when the authority of the source of that knowledge is contradicted by the mundane.
I really think Hitch was off his game this night. He missed a few free hits and lost his trail a couple of times. Still head and shoulders above the rest of us.
God is so real that Frank Turek has to explain this on behalf of God because God isn't there...basically if God can't be bothered to reveal himself to humanity then basically could it be that he simply can't be bothered 🤔
Exactly I've been saying this for years! Intelligent design is a giant post hoc. Why was God's creation constrained by the physical limitations of the materials he built with?
Turek dismissed Huthchins' reference to Zeus as Zeus being of the material world. However, the Greek myths regarding Zeus, son of Cronus, son of Ouranos were all very much residents of a supernatural realm.
Evil is done by man, likewise religions are constructed by corrupt man. Simple Where does the religion of Satanism come from (?) - man What is responsible for Catholic child rape and fraud (?) - man Who assembled books of fantasy (?) - man Where do religious evils come from - man….obviously@@demetriusmurch
I find it funny how Turek has a lap full of notes madly scuffling through them and then trying to yell his comments at Hitchens hoping to have some impact , he comes across as a very little man/child with very little to say and it is quite pleasing to watch him sit in silence when Hitchens replies to anything he says
Frank Turek nowadays refuses to debate Aron Ra because he knows he would be destroyed in such a debate. Smug Frank Turek refuses to debate anyone. That says it all
Even animals have morals a Gorilla has morals and shows love to other animals.This planet is billions of years old,and evaluation is still happening.Their is know magic man in the sky,were lucky to have great man like Christopher Hitchens
Hitch was just a nightmare to debate back then… Let alone debate objective facts and observable reality. A brilliant contrarian, well-informed, well-spoken, witty, experienced, and extremely passionate, etc. Among many other things.
morality is a pattern of hard learned behaviors that set tribes apart from each other in order to forward their continued survival...like pretty much every organism does on its own, because everything is shaped by reality. it doesnt take god for tribes to figure out if members of their tribe can be killed off with no punishment they become smaller than the bigger tribes whom are not killing their members off with no punishment. humans and animals are adverse to the sight of dead bodies the smell of blood and vomit or the screams of terror they all represent death and understanding death means you cannot be a productive member of the group. morality is survival my dear.
They are used to preaching at children and docile people who aren't allowed to ask questions. So it's never a true exchange with them- they have the mindset that you need to believe their story and if you don't it's because you hate God.
Actually, Wikipedia mentions Turek having a DMin (Doctor of Ministry), doesn't stipulate if earned or honorary, and the moderator stated his doctorate is in, what a shock, Apologetics 😅.
At the end of the day that's all Christians can do. It's a witchcraft based on guilting its target into belief- and when you take that away they have NOTHING.
Only the most truly insecure makes claims what someone who is dead, who obviously can’t defend themselves, believes or knows after death. Especially, implying a win. I feel bad for you.
@@shankerr484If the explicit statement of Heb 9:27 is true, how do you harmonize it with the following biblical characters who evidently died more than once?: Lazarus, the daughter of Jairus, the many saints whose bodies came out of the tombs after Jesus' purported resurrection. If those NT narratives are equally true, then it's reasonable to conclude that after their resurrection, they died a second time, which would be a contradiction of Heb 9:27 ("once to die"). Indeed, what about Enoch and Elijah, the former simply "was not, for God took him" (no mention of died) and the latter was taken up to heaven in a chariot while alive! I think these are examples, theologically speaking, of 'Houston, we have a problem', and I've never heard or read a compelling rebuttal of the contradiction. What say ye, pray tell?
@@LuisGonzalez-oy3ku Your "it's reasonable to conclude that after their resurrection, they died a second time..." You need to differentiate betw. coming back to live, and resurrection. Lazarus, Jairus daughter etc - all came back alive. They weren't resurrected like Jesus. The difference is, unlike Jesus, they came back alive into their natural bodies; Jesus didn't. He had a resurrected body - not subject to physical rot. "For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him" - Rom. 6.9. The gospel shows that post resurrection, Jesus had a different form; he could walk through doors, and yet, also eat. That's why Jesus only associates the resurrection with an eternal state: "I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. (John 11.25-26) The only problem we therefore have, Houston, is, “DO YOU BELIEVE THIS?” (John 11:26)
@@shankerr484 Nah, you're just playing semantical gymnastics and missing the point of my observation. Hebrews 9:27 unambiguously states that it's appointed for man (mankind/humans) ONCE to die and thereafter judgment. But Lazarus, Jairus' daughter and the Matt. 27 many holy ones who were raised from the dead, ie, resurrected, didn't apparently die only once...unless you believe they never died again 🤣. What supposed type of body those raised from the dead possess is hermeneutically debatable. What's unmistakeable and crystal clear is the Bible asserts that humans are appointed/designated to die ONCE (Gk. hapax, one and only time), yet the same holy scriptures give examples of individuals who 1) must have physically died more than once and 2) evidently never died at all (Enoch & Elijah), if one accepts the texts at face value. What you're left with is an unimpeachable contradiction for a book which claims to be the infallible, inerrant word of a supreme being. The 'Houston, we have a problem' assessment is not, as you claim, whether I believe it (that is, your interpretation of what's a resurrection); rather, it's whether or not the conflicting texts are irredeemably contradictory and therefore, indicative of being untrue. Any belief or dogma, Christian or otherwise, that's internally contradictory isn't rational, reasonable and consequently, isn't worthy of belief. You think about that, Amen!
I am on the Christian side of these, and I enjoy Hitchens/Craig or Hitchens/Lennox but I cannot watch Turek by himself, much less in a debate. I hope he is more likable in real life.
Why is the question always God and not Gods. The reason is that it's not about a question of a supernatural being or beings who created the world/universe but instead it's about whether the Old Testament God is a fairy tale or not. There are and have been plenty of religions with multiple gods and it makes more sense than one god, because who.created God. It's not about wanting to know the truth but about trying trying to justify what they want to believe as rational.
"The typewriter is out of existence, thankfully..." - Frankie Turnip Frankie, what did the typewriter ever do to you? It may be a little inconvenient compared to modern technology, but what a wonderful invention for a wonderful reason it was. Context being: many if not most typewriters were initially created for the purpose of helping blind people write. Mr. Turnip should not be so quick to have thankfulness for the phasing out of such a powerful invention. P.S. Yes. I am indeed aware how pointless of a complaint this is, I don't care, I love typewriters and was made angry by their defamation at the hands of a very loud and unpleasantly illogical Turnip.
Now be kind to Mr. Turek, don’t stoop down to his level nor the ad hominems heaped on by evangelicals and other fraudsters. They believe because they believe, that’s their burden.
Turek yells: “How can you trust what Christopher says of it’s just chemicals going on in the brain!” Quotes what other people say as his main debate tactic
Most of these comments are so cringe 💀. All I see are atheists with a bias towards Hitchens. I'm starting to wonder if y'all even watched the debate. Understand both of their views and points. As a christian myself, it's important to at least look into the evidence of there being a God since it is a crucial philosophical issue we must solve for sure in life.
There are alot of gobblers sadly. But don't conflate the cringe audience with the speaker, because I don't think hitchens would appreciate the way people herald his name. Now the fun part, I looked at both sides, hitchens looked like a drunk with good points and turek looked like a flustered fool with no points really besides "pfft you atheists must all think this thing you don't think". While hitchens does that exact thing alot, he's basing it off of the book Christians use, atheists don't have one of those.
1:17:33 filthy little quip by Turek. And I expected as much. anyway, turek doesn’t believe Hitchens will be annihilated at death, he believe Hitchens will be in hell for eternity. So slimy AND inaccurate.
Romans 9:17-23 [17]For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. [18]Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. [19]Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? [20]Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? [21]Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? [22]What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: [23]And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
@@ljramirez Romans 1:20 For G1063 the invisible things G517 of him G846 from G575 the creation G2937 of the world G2889 are clearly seen, G2529 being understood G3539 by the things that are made, G4161 even G5037 his G846 eternal G126 power G1411 and G2532 Godhead; G2305 so G1519 that they G846 are G1511 without excuse: G379
@ljramirez Psalms 10:4 The wicked, H7563 through the pride H1363 of his countenance, H639 will not seek H1875 after God: God H430 is not in all his thoughts. H4209
Frank Turek talks a lot and says nothing, his cacophony diatribe is nothing but faith based and affirmations based on a Bronze Age book written by Sheepherders. He brings nothing new I haven’t heard before by the apologist community, there’s no substance or a grain of truth in claims without scientific evidence and data. Much to his chagrin Frankie got a good Hitch-slap that night.
16:27 this guy smoking some strong stuff. He knows the rotation of the earth was faster in the time of the dinosaurs right? No of course he doesn't, because this fish gallop is a poor excuse for a sophomore religion paper
1:14:00 "I'm giving probablilties" You're pointing out gaps in your target audience's knowledge and presenting your god as the filler. You're pointing at the fears they have and providing your god as the solution. The simple fact is that you know nothing about this god except what is written in the bible and you very deliberately *interpret* that one source of information so that it never ever says anything bad about your god, even when the actual text is quite horrible. Science has shown that the story of creation did not happen, Noah's ark did not happen, and when you are confronted with those facts you take the words of your infallable words of god and you twist and mangle them until they sound like they agree with the science. And so you lie and deceive and pat yourself on the back for being such a good christian. There is a reason why the bible keeps repeating that we should not question god; because every time we do we find out that we've been lied to, by "people" like you.
@@bpitch1071 a living organism cant be inanimate so you dont know the words youre using. but if we skip that, what order and organization did he make? the predation ladder? things skip the prongs on the ladder or drop down prongs all the time so thats not set, animals have to progressively evolve and move to different locations so their organization isnt set in stone. and 99% of every species thats lived has died out, so the Earth obviously doesnt support life THAT good to begin with. so, wanna try another talking point? because at best its as likely, and it makes more logical sense that living organisms won a game of genetic trial and error, hence the current 1% being able to sustain itself okay
@ Animals moving to different locations? Interesting part of your argument Back to being highly organized What would you say is the cause or based on what you’ve said previously, the progression of causes for say, the nervous system in humans? The organization of the spinal column, and the nerves that innervate the body? Was this chance? Millions and billions of years of trial and error? There’s many cases of living creatures who need and have needed all that they possess in the way of biology and would not have survived if they did not possess them. Take care
OK so keeping the principal of occams razor in mind, how does the fact there is a God mean its the jewish Christian one? What proof is there for that? I can agree that a higher power of some sort is self evident but him being jewish sounds like utter b.s., because it is.
If time and space is infinite ( never ending ) then all things are possible . So God does exist some place in some form in some far off plane of extraterrestrial existence .
No. That does not follow at all. How do you get from infinite time and space to infinite reality? You just need to travel far and long enough to suddenly manifest a god?
I am an atheist and great admirer of Christopher Hitchens. Although Mr Turek had a rough ride respect to him and all others on both sides of the debate to put themselves forward. Unlike the a certain Mr Jason Lisle who only surrounds himself with his deluded followers
To me a person who does not believe in a God is a atheists simple as that Nobody is here to pick to pick favourites One person cannot decide such an important decision! Hitckens said so much on and on he goes!!! Guess what Hitckens has got to learn you talk about bad things in religion now talk about the good things in religion There is as much good as bad ok When you do that now work out who is right or wrong! YOU HAVE NO PROVE TO SAY GOD DOES NOT EXIST OK YOU HAVE TO PROVE HOW HUMANS GOT HERE!!!! AS YOU CAN'T GOD EXIST!!!! OK
Even back in the days when I was a young fervent Bible college student, had Frank Turek visited our campus and performed his loud showboating he would have been laughed off the park. If you can’t see the enormous mismatch in this debate between a shallow shouty preacher man and one of the most supremely articulate, most learned and well read and informed person that is Mr Hitchens, well that’s your blinkers doing their thing.
Religion is a giant appeal to emotion first off. Also, how much more factual can you be trying to disprove something? That's why it's called the burden of proof, hitchens doesn't have the burden in this situation
Just because Christopher's mastery of the english language is difficult for you to follow that does not invalidate anything said. Christianity and all other religions are primitive magical stories. The fact that people still cling to these ancient ideas is depressing. Religion is a cancer to humanity; the sooner we are rid, of it the better.
The Truth of our existence, simply cannot be apprehended by the intellect, however great it may be! Whether your down and out on a bench or a successful intellectual, If one is receptive to a particular frequency *science, as we know, tells us all things are vibrating at different frequencies on an atomic and sub atomic level - then they will able to realise & perceive the subtleties of the 'mystery', it may be at a certain time in their lives, or maybe they've always felt it, but it will be with an unequivocally doubtless palpable intuition. Never by over-intellectualising in self absorbed confusion will any real self realisation occur.
The only reason why hitchens is in denial is because he has his own personal wrong experiences with his beliefs to the church but everytime it comes to a logical scientific explaination turek hit and pinned point everything on spot but hitchens was hesitant and had a very weak debate on the first round
Anyone who doesn’t know that surnames start with a capital letter is not well placed to lecture others on what is a good argument and what isn’t. It just proves you don’t listen in class.
This wasn’t a debate, this was a monologue, where an audience of curious listeners had to sit and listen to a rambling man. A man whose thoughts are so scattered with half baked ideas and colloquialism that he forgets what the question was that he was trying to question…or answer…Who knows. A complete inflation of ego fueled by non contextual history and a sprinkle of cheap sarcasm. I’d like to see Turek debate someone with a measure of stature and coolness
@@nonononononono8532 it’s because he wants people who truly believe him and can understand the messages that he leaves for us to know he exists but you obviously don’t get it just like the Bible says😂
@@Jesus_is_the_addiction8960 well I used too. I was a Christian, a damn committed one. But I chose to question why I believed the things I did and saw the farce that religion was. Also just because the bible has some vague quote about why people don’t believe in God doesn’t mean it’s accurate in or prophetic toward things. Yes I’m familiar with the parable of the sower. Just because there’s a story about why someone might leave the faith doesn’t mean it’s some miracle of prediction lol. Also I would truely believe in him if he would just present himself either directly or through strong evidence. Seeing as he’s elected to hide himself from humanity and only presented himself 2000 years ago assuming that this did actually occur and wasn’t a story which was fabricated or hallucinated about, then I’d say it’s quite foolish to expect people to believe in him. In fact as he’s all powerful and all good, and believing in him is good, then he both knows what evidence would be required to believe in him and how to distribute it. Seeing as how the bible is so vague it’s interpreted in a thousand ways by thousands of denominations and even religions, he’s done precisely the opposite of giving good signs. Given that he sends non-believes (i.e rational people) to eternal torture - a pain that is so long and horrendous that not a single crime in the history of humanity throughout all the future and past could ever have earned it, he is not all powerful if he can’t prove himself to us, or not all good if he doesn’t want to. As Epicurus said: “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” Also it’s not very christ-like to laugh at others for seeking truth, and potentially coming to false conclusions. Maybe if you had some compassion for my soul - which you should given I am your neighbour on this Earth - you may want to help “educate me.” In fact my potential suffering should be of such concern to you, assuming you’re capable of compassion, that you shouldn’t be able to sleep until it’s solved. I don’t think you understand the shear infinity of infinite torture for non-belief in a God who hides himself. It’s like punishing a person for not finding someone in hide and seek who is so good they cannot be seen, heard, touched, or shown to intervene in humanity with eternal torture.
@@nonononononono8532 I don’t have the time to type as much as you just did bro💀 but the evidence has been provided so many times and your just not understanding or accepting it bc I’ve heard every atheist pov and not a single one made since or could stand once I started researching, so it’s a heart problem not a brain problem you need to ask god to reveal himself to you and open your mind bc you sound very confused and pinned down by evidence and facts when your never gonna get exactly what you want.You just have to analyze both sides and to me Christ always wins🤷🏻♂️
Christopher’s challenge to theists, name a moral action that theists can undertake that atheists cannot. Too easy. Belief in the true God is a moral action. Belief in Jesus is a moral action. They are so important they are the only two sins sins that will not be forgiven, because God has elevated these two moral actions as the only two that are necessary to inherit eternal life. You should believe in the true God because creation is evidence of a creation. Painting are evidence of a painter. And buildings are evidence of a builder. Some truths are self evident and the very nature of reality is built upon the genius glory of God in his beautiful and wonderful creation. We can know he exists, and what kind of being he is through the reflection of his creation. Jesus is the prophesied messiah, all you have to do is read the prophesies in every text of the Old Testament. Jesus is in every single book many times. Christopher Hitchens has no hope apart from repenting and becoming a Christian. Hopefully he did before he died, may God have mercy on his soul.
Believing plagiarised man made stories is NOT a moral action. The idea of humanity needing a saviour is an interesting concept that predates both Christianity and Judaism….it’s an idea created in Zoroastrianism, the same with ‘final judgement ‘ - an idea also borrowed from Zoroastrianism…..a stolen idea, a mere idea. ALL religions are man made and designed to justify control over others as an extension to the slavery it was involved in. Luckily CH never lost his autonomy and died as he lived - humanist, non deluded
Archives, do you understand why you're being asked for evidence of a god? * imagine Gary says leprechauns caused the universe * you look around and confirm that our universe exists * is that evidence of leprechauns? Because if your answer is "no" (and I think you're smart enough to know it's 'no'), then what you're saying is you know Gary can't prove Claim A (leprechauns exist) by making Claim B (leprechauns caused the universe). So when you mentioned "creation", for starters that's a ridiculously vague term. But also if you're talking about the universe (or 'all reality') then you seem to be making exactly the same mistake Gary made.
what a load of mumbo jumbo of nonsensical bullshyt of religious stupidity in a belief of god! ok now so where is the actual factual proof of evidence that your god/jesus christ exist?
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Having been raised in a strict fundamentalist family, I have many times experienced the emptiness of actions offered by my believing family members only because they believed it was getting them points on their celestial scorecard. It’s not true love, compassion, or empathy. It’s bereft of all substance. Religion is the antithesis of morality, not the basis.
I was going to listen to this via an earphone to help me fall asleep, but FT’s voice makes the tiles fall off my roof.
Same...
😂😂
Yeah, he's kind of a bombastic twit clearly out of his depths!
My goodness, this was like sending a toddler into the ring to fight Mike Tyson
If the baby had its arms tied behind its back and blindfolded, yes.
Funny thing is, you can tell Hitchens had a rough night on the Johnnie Walker but even in first gear he still trounces Turek.
😂😂😂
You need Johnnie Walker when you're debating such a whining maggot lol
Ahaaa-hahahaha 😂 so true, seems Hitch was wasted that night and on first gear, even so he still managed to demolished and run over the apologetic Frank. Have to give props to Turek though, I mean to debate the best orator, intellectual thinker of modern times, well, he still got Hitchslapped that day.
It was easier for theists when everyone thought the earth was 6K years old, dinosaurs had not been discovered, and the earth was the center of everything. Every time science takes us deeper into understanding, they simply concede and say God was before that and created it. When the multiverse is discovered, they will say God created it and again will be wrong.
Endless regression
I thought when we launched the hubble telescope we would for sure locate heaven,,,,,LOL
There has never been any evidence whatsoever for a multiverse. Why do you believe it exists? It is a theory that was very popular and has since been shot down by the entire scientific community.
@@woodytheduke You can't judge religions by their heretics or groups by their fools.
@@Flying_Snakes There has never been any evidence for the multiverse theory ever. It was thought up to try to explain away the fact that the design of the universe seems to be near perfect for existence of space/time/matter and life. It's much harder to believe that the blind laws of physics created life, rather than something with intelligence. It sounds like a reach of faith when you have no evidence for a multiverse.
I love watching Hitchins toying with people/opponents. 😂 An honest intellectual & master with words. Thanks to Dr. Turek for his courage.
“Courage”… or spectacular lack of acumen. 😂
I have never been so happy as when I heard Turek say he only had 5 minutes left for his opening argument.
Any reason why?
@@hunterhestekin7420 a debate is not to discuss faith ..... It's to discuss facts.
Lol…. He gave plenty of opening facts, literally gave specifics to the thought of a Creator. Unfortunately, the problem with these types of debates, some people go in just waiting for “their guy” to tell them want they want to hear. You probably should take the time and look into the facts for Intelligent Design.
@@silastebbitt9373 And the Big Bang is not based on faith?
Roughly as dull as a sunday sermon on this and that from a bronze age book of fairy tales.
Hitchens: How much do you want to embarass yourself?
Turek:(yelling) YES!
Why is the dude in in tan coat yelling all the time?
He's very used to standing on street corners and yelling "Sinner!" At random people.
Because hes losing bigtime
Turek lost the debate but could totally win a push-up contest
😂 😆
So would Hitchens.... Pushing up daisies.
As a former Christian who argued with atheists quite a bit, I can look back now and plainly see that I was mostly being defensive of my insecurity about beliefs I had adopted. I suspect this is a common motivator in many pedestrian debates on deity. Now, it’s much easier: if I’m insecure in a belief, I can conclude that I lack knowledge and not panic. Turns out that claiming to have answers that no one is capable of having really puts you in a pickle. Especially when the authority of the source of that knowledge is contradicted by the mundane.
There is a reason why you are a former Christian. You don't belong to us obviously. How old is the earth according to science?
I really think Hitch was off his game this night. He missed a few free hits and lost his trail a couple of times. Still head and shoulders above the rest of us.
Here we go: the "fine-tuning argument" YET AGAIN. This has been dealt with. Read: "The Fallacy of Fine-Tuning" by Victor J. Stenger.
God is so real that Frank Turek has to explain this on behalf of God because God isn't there...basically if God can't be bothered to reveal himself to humanity then basically could it be that he simply can't be bothered 🤔
That some god your worshipping,perhaps he doesn't exist
And the award for the most asinine question of the night goes to.....Frank Turek for 'how much does justice weigh?'
As much as a duck?...no wait, that is how much a witch weighs!
It rhetorical
I nearly lost my head when he said: “The theory of macro evolution”
seems like a silly thing to say given his entire point while saying that was to illustrate that a question like that has no answer.
A very profound question???
Turek: "The evidence for the big bang is good" - how would he know?! You don't get to quote the results of science WHEN IT SUITS YOU TO DO SO!
Why is the "fine tuning" evidence of God? Surely a god could just will us into being without all the diameters being in the exact right place.
Exactly I've been saying this for years! Intelligent design is a giant post hoc. Why was God's creation constrained by the physical limitations of the materials he built with?
If that is the case then we wouldn't be able to do science and maths.
If God has to follow the laws of physics then he's an architect, not a God.
"I don't have time to support it"---Frank Turek
Why is Turek yelling the entire time?
He's a preacher used to speaking in a raised voice like most
Dr. Turek got Hitch slapped this time 👋.
Dr my arse!
He should feel honored. But he's probably too thick to get it.
Turek dismissed Huthchins' reference to Zeus as Zeus being of the material world. However, the Greek myths regarding Zeus, son of Cronus, son of Ouranos were all very much residents of a supernatural realm.
Turek is the perfect theological "used car salesman". Tries to be relatable, funny, but ultimately attempts to sell junk.
Turek`s first formal debate and he goes against Hitchens
Spose you gotta credit him for that ha
@@chrispywilliams1992 yes & no. He gets paid win or lose.😆
Turek thinks he can win against Hitchens by yelling
he is like a sport team coach for teenagers.
I cant remeber who said it but it was something like.."Don't raise your voice, improve your argument."
you have to understand, its the preacher overtaking sometimes. you should be glad he did not start molesting minors like the holy spirit told him to
@@Asilaysheepless Funny enough, it was Desmond Tutu who said it.
The reason he is like that is because he is used to preaching..
Turek: Where does evil come from?
Hitchens: Religion
Game. Set. Match:
Hitchens.
Makes no sense
@@demetriusmurch I’m sure to many people it doesn’t.
@robrogers2532 I'm referring to the statement "religion". How can evil come from religion?
@@demetriusmurch the concept of “evil” Many Christians believe that evil is the result of Adam and Eve 's disobedience to God.
Evil is done by man, likewise religions are constructed by corrupt man.
Simple
Where does the religion of Satanism come from (?) - man
What is responsible for Catholic child rape and fraud (?) - man
Who assembled books of fantasy (?) - man
Where do religious evils come from - man….obviously@@demetriusmurch
I find it funny how Turek has a lap full of notes madly scuffling through them and then trying to yell his comments at Hitchens hoping to have some impact , he comes across as a very little man/child with very little to say and it is quite pleasing to watch him sit in silence when Hitchens replies to anything he says
Frank Turek nowadays refuses to debate Aron Ra because he knows he would be destroyed in such a debate. Smug Frank Turek refuses to debate anyone. That says it all
Thank fake god. Hitch still lives in these videos.
Closest turek came to a supreme being!!
More importantly God may well regret Frank's existence should the Master of the Universe be aware of it.
Even animals have morals a Gorilla has
morals and shows love to other animals.This planet is billions of years
old,and evaluation is still happening.Their is know magic man
in the sky,were lucky to have great man
like Christopher Hitchens
No reasonable human would design a murderous food chain, let alone a half decent God.
What is FrankTurek a Doctor of exactly?
Tele-Evangelism it would seem.
Apologetics, i.e…..defending a fairy tale.
Shouting.
Wishful thinking and delusions.
Conscience come from the brain so that make it phisical and chemical
He really mopped the floor with Turek that time, didn't he. Poor dude😂
He looked like every Tyson opponent just before a fight back in the day.
In what way?
You need to watch the debate😉
Mopping the floor with poor turek isn't really an achievement tbh. It helps pass the time though.
@@adriangeh6414 agreed😉
Learn so much about apologetics! thanks frank and Alain
Turek got real tilted once they had to go off-script and have discussions 😂
Hitch was just a nightmare to debate back then… Let alone debate objective facts and observable reality. A brilliant contrarian, well-informed, well-spoken, witty, experienced, and extremely passionate, etc. Among many other things.
Hitchens loves rattling Turek. He's such easy prey
morality is a pattern of hard learned behaviors that set tribes apart from each other in order to forward their continued survival...like pretty much every organism does on its own, because everything is shaped by reality. it doesnt take god for tribes to figure out if members of their tribe can be killed off with no punishment they become smaller than the bigger tribes whom are not killing their members off with no punishment. humans and animals are adverse to the sight of dead bodies the smell of blood and vomit or the screams of terror they all represent death and understanding death means you cannot be a productive member of the group. morality is survival my dear.
6:24 Turek’s best line is a retelling of a Hitchen’s line.
😂😂 The night is young 😂😂 I Love Hitch so much!
Love the description
No closing statement from Hitchens?
2+2 will not be 5, even if you shout it
They are used to preaching at children and docile people who aren't allowed to ask questions. So it's never a true exchange with them- they have the mindset that you need to believe their story and if you don't it's because you hate God.
The one lives by God is the one lives by authority, the one lives by no God is the one lives by autonomy.
Why was he referred to as "doctor" Turek? Wiki doesn't mention an education; a "doctor" in what?!
dr of rubbish
Doctor in logical fallacies
Actually, Wikipedia mentions Turek having a DMin (Doctor of Ministry), doesn't stipulate if earned or honorary, and the moderator stated his doctorate is in, what a shock, Apologetics 😅.
You can always tell when someone is selling 🐂💩 they're devotees of the Gish gallop.
This guy must have cried himself to sleep after that beating
wow, Frank is really bad at this. Just doing a god of the gaps argument and shifting the burden of proof and thinking that is clever lol.
At the end of the day that's all Christians can do. It's a witchcraft based on guilting its target into belief- and when you take that away they have NOTHING.
Turik seems out of his depth, here.
well, now that he's in eternity, Hitchens finally knows the truth...
Only the most truly insecure makes claims what someone who is dead, who obviously can’t defend themselves, believes or knows after death. Especially, implying a win. I feel bad for you.
@@SupremeSquigglyand it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this, the judgment - Hebrews 9.27
@@shankerr484If the explicit statement of Heb 9:27 is true, how do you harmonize it with the following biblical characters who evidently died more than once?: Lazarus, the daughter of Jairus, the many saints whose bodies came out of the tombs after Jesus' purported resurrection. If those NT narratives are equally true, then it's reasonable to conclude that after their resurrection, they died a second time, which would be a contradiction of Heb 9:27 ("once to die"). Indeed, what about Enoch and Elijah, the former simply "was not, for God took him" (no mention of died) and the latter was taken up to heaven in a chariot while alive!
I think these are examples, theologically speaking, of 'Houston, we have a problem', and I've never heard or read a compelling rebuttal of the contradiction. What say ye, pray tell?
@@LuisGonzalez-oy3ku Your "it's reasonable to conclude that after their resurrection, they died a second time..." You need to differentiate betw. coming back to live, and resurrection. Lazarus, Jairus daughter etc - all came back alive. They weren't resurrected like Jesus. The difference is, unlike Jesus, they came back alive into their natural bodies; Jesus didn't. He had a resurrected body - not subject to physical rot.
"For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him" - Rom. 6.9.
The gospel shows that post resurrection, Jesus had a different form; he could walk through doors, and yet, also eat.
That's why Jesus only associates the resurrection with an eternal state:
"I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. (John 11.25-26)
The only problem we therefore have, Houston, is,
“DO YOU BELIEVE THIS?” (John 11:26)
@@shankerr484 Nah, you're just playing semantical gymnastics and missing the point of my observation. Hebrews 9:27 unambiguously states that it's appointed for man (mankind/humans) ONCE to die and thereafter judgment. But Lazarus, Jairus' daughter and the Matt. 27 many holy ones who were raised from the dead, ie, resurrected, didn't apparently die only once...unless you believe they never died again 🤣. What supposed type of body those raised from the dead possess is hermeneutically debatable. What's unmistakeable and crystal clear is the Bible asserts that humans are appointed/designated to die ONCE (Gk. hapax, one and only time), yet the same holy scriptures give examples of individuals who 1) must have physically died more than once and 2) evidently never died at all (Enoch & Elijah), if one accepts the texts at face value. What you're left with is an unimpeachable contradiction for a book which claims to be the infallible, inerrant word of a supreme being. The 'Houston, we have a problem' assessment is not, as you claim, whether I believe it (that is, your interpretation of what's a resurrection); rather, it's whether or not the conflicting texts are irredeemably contradictory and therefore, indicative of being untrue. Any belief or dogma, Christian or otherwise, that's internally contradictory isn't rational, reasonable and consequently, isn't worthy of belief. You think about that, Amen!
We miss you, Hitch
22:52 "you cannot go from a state of non-existence to a state of existence without making a choice". THIS IS GIBBERISH !!
I am on the Christian side of these, and I enjoy Hitchens/Craig or Hitchens/Lennox but I cannot watch Turek by himself, much less in a debate. I hope he is more likable in real life.
The religious are so transparent in their false beliefs Have they no Shame
20:56 Fred Hoyle was a (religious) astronomer. He was NOT a biologist, so don't quote his opinion on the subject.
Its so disappointing seeing grown adults trying to pedal religion
Why is the question always God and not Gods. The reason is that it's not about a question of a supernatural being or beings who created the world/universe but instead it's about whether the Old Testament God is a fairy tale or not. There are and have been plenty of religions with multiple gods and it makes more sense than one god, because who.created God. It's not about wanting to know the truth but about trying trying to justify what they want to believe as rational.
Your comment has zero point and no one will gain anything having read it. I'm leaving this comment because I must be mean to get something out of it
Christopher is the man.
"The typewriter is out of existence, thankfully..." - Frankie Turnip
Frankie, what did the typewriter ever do to you? It may be a little inconvenient compared to modern technology, but what a wonderful invention for a wonderful reason it was. Context being: many if not most typewriters were initially created for the purpose of helping blind people write.
Mr. Turnip should not be so quick to have thankfulness for the phasing out of such a powerful invention.
P.S. Yes. I am indeed aware how pointless of a complaint this is, I don't care, I love typewriters and was made angry by their defamation at the hands of a very loud and unpleasantly illogical Turnip.
wow!!!! What a whooping on Mr turdik!!! Well done CH,,,,,way bigger than jesus!
I also like where the audience does not seem to care when turdiks mike is not working but then fixes CH mike as soon as his comes undone
Now be kind to Mr. Turek, don’t stoop down to his level nor the ad hominems heaped on by evangelicals and other fraudsters. They believe because they believe, that’s their burden.
@@4OHz what do you believe?
@@Jay-jp6zr what ever he is told to believe
See, I thought just the opposite. CH danced around all of Tureks questions. Turek did really well.
Kind of sad people aren't laughing at Turek's jokes most of the time.
theists are only funny when they preach
Turek has more hot air than a Goodyear blimp.
28:02 Hitchens opening
58:08 Hitchens rebuttal
14:29 rebuttal. nothing is just pure potential.
There is no state of non existence. Non existence cannot exist
Surely if non-existence cannot exist then it, in itself, is non existent. You refute your own point, sir.
@@davelister2961 wow, that is hilarious.
4:53 Dr Turek opens
This blonde guy is funny
A YUMAN! A YUMAN!
Turek yells:
“How can you trust what Christopher says of it’s just chemicals going on in the brain!”
Quotes what other people say as his main debate tactic
Most of these comments are so cringe 💀. All I see are atheists with a bias towards Hitchens. I'm starting to wonder if y'all even watched the debate. Understand both of their views and points. As a christian myself, it's important to at least look into the evidence of there being a God since it is a crucial philosophical issue we must solve for sure in life.
There are alot of gobblers sadly.
But don't conflate the cringe audience with the speaker, because I don't think hitchens would appreciate the way people herald his name.
Now the fun part, I looked at both sides, hitchens looked like a drunk with good points and turek looked like a flustered fool with no points really besides "pfft you atheists must all think this thing you don't think".
While hitchens does that exact thing alot, he's basing it off of the book Christians use, atheists don't have one of those.
1:17:33 filthy little quip by Turek. And I expected as much.
anyway, turek doesn’t believe Hitchens will be annihilated at death, he believe Hitchens will be in hell for eternity.
So slimy AND inaccurate.
Hitchens is just talking.... Answer the question
Proverbs 21:30
[30]There is no wisdom nor understanding nor counsel against the LORD.
There is no god.
Me 1:1
Romans 9:17-23
[17]For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
[18]Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
[19]Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
[20]Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
[21]Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
[22]What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
[23]And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
@@ljramirez Romans 1:20 For G1063 the invisible things G517 of him G846 from G575 the creation G2937 of the world G2889 are clearly seen, G2529 being understood G3539 by the things that are made, G4161 even G5037 his G846 eternal G126 power G1411 and G2532 Godhead; G2305 so G1519 that they G846 are G1511 without excuse: G379
@@johnbishop2611 still no god.
1:2
@ljramirez Psalms 10:4 The wicked, H7563 through the pride H1363 of his countenance, H639 will not seek H1875 after God: God H430 is not in all his thoughts. H4209
The cringe is strong with Turek.
Frank Turek talks a lot and says nothing, his cacophony diatribe is nothing but faith based and affirmations based on a Bronze Age book written by Sheepherders.
He brings nothing new I haven’t heard before by the apologist community, there’s no substance or a grain of truth in claims without scientific evidence and data.
Much to his chagrin Frankie got a good Hitch-slap that night.
huge props to Frank for getting into the ring with Hitchens
Then getting Hitchenslapped over and over again
16:27 this guy smoking some strong stuff. He knows the rotation of the earth was faster in the time of the dinosaurs right? No of course he doesn't, because this fish gallop is a poor excuse for a sophomore religion paper
Conscience it's elaborated perception
1:14:00 "I'm giving probablilties"
You're pointing out gaps in your target audience's knowledge and presenting your god as the filler.
You're pointing at the fears they have and providing your god as the solution.
The simple fact is that you know nothing about this god except what is written in the bible and you very deliberately *interpret* that one source of information so that it never ever says anything bad about your god, even when the actual text is quite horrible.
Science has shown that the story of creation did not happen, Noah's ark did not happen, and when you are confronted with those facts you take the words of your infallable words of god and you twist and mangle them until they sound like they agree with the science. And so you lie and deceive and pat yourself on the back for being such a good christian.
There is a reason why the bible keeps repeating that we should not question god; because every time we do we find out that we've been lied to, by "people" like you.
Turek is brilliant, Hitchens is a master of dressing up shite
Turek does a much better job of answering the questions
Hitch points out the flaws within religion
The argument is stronger for a creator
Name one way a creator makes more sense
@@alucardican9785 the order and organization of all living organisms
Animate and inanimate
@@bpitch1071 a living organism cant be inanimate so you dont know the words youre using. but if we skip that, what order and organization did he make? the predation ladder? things skip the prongs on the ladder or drop down prongs all the time so thats not set, animals have to progressively evolve and move to different locations so their organization isnt set in stone. and 99% of every species thats lived has died out, so the Earth obviously doesnt support life THAT good to begin with.
so, wanna try another talking point? because at best its as likely, and it makes more logical sense that living organisms won a game of genetic trial and error, hence the current 1% being able to sustain itself okay
@ Animals moving to different locations? Interesting part of your argument
Back to being highly organized
What would you say is the cause or based on what you’ve said previously, the progression of causes for say, the nervous system in humans? The organization of the spinal column, and the nerves that innervate the body? Was this chance? Millions and billions of years of trial and error? There’s many cases of living creatures who need and have needed all that they possess in the way of biology and would not have survived if they did not possess them.
Take care
почему они все эти набожные такие психованные и нервные?
OK so keeping the principal of occams razor in mind, how does the fact there is a God mean its the jewish Christian one? What proof is there for that? I can agree that a higher power of some sort is self evident but him being jewish sounds like utter b.s., because it is.
If time and space is infinite ( never ending ) then all things are possible . So God does exist some place in some form in some far off plane of extraterrestrial existence .
No. That does not follow at all. How do you get from infinite time and space to infinite reality? You just need to travel far and long enough to suddenly manifest a god?
I am an atheist and great admirer of Christopher Hitchens. Although Mr Turek had a rough ride respect to him and all others on both sides of the debate to put themselves forward. Unlike the a certain Mr Jason Lisle who only surrounds himself with his deluded followers
Atheist respect Turek taking on Hitchens what can l say but glad he is on my side
Respect? It was a comical slaughter,,, Turek is a knob!!
Obviously not.
wow what an embarassing performance by frank turek.
To me a person who does not believe in a God is a atheists simple as that Nobody is here to pick to pick favourites
One person cannot decide such an important decision!
Hitckens said so much on and on he goes!!!
Guess what Hitckens has got to learn you talk about bad things in religion now talk about the good things in religion There is as much good as bad ok When you do that now work out who is right or wrong! YOU HAVE NO PROVE TO SAY GOD DOES NOT EXIST OK
YOU HAVE TO PROVE HOW HUMANS GOT HERE!!!!
AS YOU CAN'T GOD EXIST!!!! OK
Hitchens once again totally demolished…. Embarrassing…
It would be interesting to hear your opinion AFTER you have watched the video.
@@GayorgVonTrapp sure. On the other hand, when someone says something patently ridiculous, one might suspect a hint of irony.
@@Landjo Pick the best example from the debate of where you think CH got demolished. And let’s talk.
Even back in the days when I was a young fervent Bible college student, had Frank Turek visited our campus and performed his loud showboating he would have been laughed off the park.
If you can’t see the enormous mismatch in this debate between a shallow shouty preacher man and one of the most supremely articulate, most learned and well read and informed person that is Mr Hitchens, well that’s your blinkers doing their thing.
@@GayorgVonTrapp True. Then again, the other take might be a slight hint of irony there.
The opening argument
Was emotional from Hitch
But not factual
In pricing whether there’s a God
He’s brilliant but this was weak
Religion is a giant appeal to emotion first off.
Also, how much more factual can you be trying to disprove something? That's why it's called the burden of proof, hitchens doesn't have the burden in this situation
No.
Hitches seem not to have enough solid grounds to even his own stands, but enough to unfounded opposition called mumble jumble
jesus christ what video were you watching? You religious people just can't grasp logic ! Just keep reading your snake talking,water walking nonsense
Just because Christopher's mastery of the english language is difficult for you to follow that does not invalidate anything said.
Christianity and all other religions are primitive magical stories. The fact that people still cling to these ancient ideas is depressing. Religion is a cancer to humanity; the sooner we are rid, of it the better.
Ham
The Truth of our existence, simply cannot be apprehended by the intellect, however great it may be!
Whether your down and out on a bench or a successful intellectual, If one is receptive to a particular frequency *science, as we know, tells us all things are vibrating at different frequencies on an atomic and sub atomic level - then they will able to realise & perceive the subtleties of the 'mystery', it may be at a certain time in their lives, or maybe they've always felt it, but it will be with an unequivocally doubtless palpable intuition. Never by over-intellectualising in self absorbed confusion will any real self realisation occur.
The only reason why hitchens is in denial is because he has his own personal wrong experiences with his beliefs to the church but everytime it comes to a logical scientific explaination turek hit and pinned point everything on spot but hitchens was hesitant and had a very weak debate on the first round
You mean Hitchens spoke the truth about the church. Don't be upset that he toyed with Turek.
you are living proof that stupid can not be repaired
The burden of God's existence is on the believer not the atheist and once again, folks like Turek comes up empty.
Anyone who doesn’t know that surnames start with a capital letter is not well placed to lecture others on what is a good argument and what isn’t. It just proves you don’t listen in class.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
This wasn’t a debate, this was a monologue, where an audience of curious listeners had to sit and listen to a rambling man. A man whose thoughts are so scattered with half baked ideas and colloquialism that he forgets what the question was that he was trying to question…or answer…Who knows. A complete inflation of ego fueled by non contextual history and a sprinkle of cheap sarcasm. I’d like to see Turek debate someone with a measure of stature and coolness
He's clearly wasted lol.
Maybe turek can find someone to debate that will take him even slightly serious
❤
Hitchens got demolished he never even tried to argue against half of what frank said poor guy wish he wasn’t in hell right now
Mmmhhhmmmm…. Suuuurrrreee. 😂 Stay ignorant.
@@garys.1415 yeah me🤣🤣 please explain how frank was wrong because Hitchens sure couldn’t do it
@@nonononononono8532 it’s because he wants people who truly believe him and can understand the messages that he leaves for us to know he exists but you obviously don’t get it just like the Bible says😂
@@Jesus_is_the_addiction8960 well I used too. I was a Christian, a damn committed one. But I chose to question why I believed the things I did and saw the farce that religion was. Also just because the bible has some vague quote about why people don’t believe in God doesn’t mean it’s accurate in or prophetic toward things. Yes I’m familiar with the parable of the sower. Just because there’s a story about why someone might leave the faith doesn’t mean it’s some miracle of prediction lol. Also I would truely believe in him if he would just present himself either directly or through strong evidence. Seeing as he’s elected to hide himself from humanity and only presented himself 2000 years ago assuming that this did actually occur and wasn’t a story which was fabricated or hallucinated about, then I’d say it’s quite foolish to expect people to believe in him. In fact as he’s all powerful and all good, and believing in him is good, then he both knows what evidence would be required to believe in him and how to distribute it. Seeing as how the bible is so vague it’s interpreted in a thousand ways by thousands of denominations and even religions, he’s done precisely the opposite of giving good signs. Given that he sends non-believes (i.e rational people) to eternal torture - a pain that is so long and horrendous that not a single crime in the history of humanity throughout all the future and past could ever have earned it, he is not all powerful if he can’t prove himself to us, or not all good if he doesn’t want to.
As Epicurus said:
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
Also it’s not very christ-like to laugh at others for seeking truth, and potentially coming to false conclusions. Maybe if you had some compassion for my soul - which you should given I am your neighbour on this Earth - you may want to help “educate me.” In fact my potential suffering should be of such concern to you, assuming you’re capable of compassion, that you shouldn’t be able to sleep until it’s solved. I don’t think you understand the shear infinity of infinite torture for non-belief in a God who hides himself. It’s like punishing a person for not finding someone in hide and seek who is so good they cannot be seen, heard, touched, or shown to intervene in humanity with eternal torture.
@@nonononononono8532 I don’t have the time to type as much as you just did bro💀 but the evidence has been provided so many times and your just not understanding or accepting it bc I’ve heard every atheist pov and not a single one made since or could stand once I started researching, so it’s a heart problem not a brain problem you need to ask god to reveal himself to you and open your mind bc you sound very confused and pinned down by evidence and facts when your never gonna get exactly what you want.You just have to analyze both sides and to me Christ always wins🤷🏻♂️
Christopher’s challenge to theists, name a moral action that theists can undertake that atheists cannot.
Too easy. Belief in the true God is a moral action. Belief in Jesus is a moral action. They are so important they are the only two sins sins that will not be forgiven, because God has elevated these two moral actions as the only two that are necessary to inherit eternal life.
You should believe in the true God because creation is evidence of a creation. Painting are evidence of a painter. And buildings are evidence of a builder. Some truths are self evident and the very nature of reality is built upon the genius glory of God in his beautiful and wonderful creation. We can know he exists, and what kind of being he is through the reflection of his creation.
Jesus is the prophesied messiah, all you have to do is read the prophesies in every text of the Old Testament. Jesus is in every single book many times.
Christopher Hitchens has no hope apart from repenting and becoming a Christian. Hopefully he did before he died, may God have mercy on his soul.
Believing plagiarised man made stories is NOT a moral action.
The idea of humanity needing a saviour is an interesting concept that predates both Christianity and Judaism….it’s an idea created in Zoroastrianism, the same with ‘final judgement ‘ - an idea also borrowed from Zoroastrianism…..a stolen idea, a mere idea.
ALL religions are man made and designed to justify control over others as an extension to the slavery it was involved in.
Luckily CH never lost his autonomy and died as he lived - humanist, non deluded
Show us the real evidence God exists. It's ok I'll wait. 😂😂
Archives, do you understand why you're being asked for evidence of a god?
* imagine Gary says leprechauns caused the universe
* you look around and confirm that our universe exists
* is that evidence of leprechauns?
Because if your answer is "no" (and I think you're smart enough to know it's 'no'), then what you're saying is you know Gary can't prove Claim A (leprechauns exist) by making Claim B (leprechauns caused the universe).
So when you mentioned "creation", for starters that's a ridiculously vague term. But also if you're talking about the universe (or 'all reality') then you seem to be making exactly the same mistake Gary made.
Belief in ANY god is not a moral action, it is a choice made in the head and in the absence of clear evidence.
what a load of mumbo jumbo of nonsensical bullshyt of religious stupidity in a belief of god! ok now so where is the actual factual proof of evidence that your god/jesus christ exist?