I'm not sure how people aren't embarrassed trying to defend this. Smh they are trying to find every reason to not pay instead of from the beginning just detail everything, have it done then charge him half. Easy peasy. Lol
@Bill: I respectfully disagree with you. They wanted the fence wood to be of high quality (Redwood lumber is available in 30 different grades, I read). They wanted to be clear on the costs of *all* materials. They wanted the fence ground posts to be installed to withstand the test of time (photos w/workers showed they weren't). They wanted a no BS job to take place (the gap in the fencing looks retarded, imho). In closing: The defendants are quality people who like quality things and are persnickety and there's nothing wrong with that; it just means that *they* don't choose to settle for what 99% of the population will settle for.
@@pchelloo @pchelloo that where you are dead wrong my friend. The defendants know that plaintiff have a deadline and they try dragging their heels over that deadline in order to avoid paying. Probably thinking the plaintiff would not sue or would lose in court. If it is as you said the evidence submit of the multiple of revision by the initial contractor would show that defendants request a,b,c item to be done and the revision weren't including those a,b and c item. Instead as the judge say each time the revision are done defendants want more things done and moreover the itemized list doesn't come up until later revision are done. The initial contractor are sick of it and bailed. So with critical thinking we can all deduce as the judge did, that the defendants just want to avoid paying and will never be satisfied.
Since the defendants were being so picky and already scared off a contractor, the plaintiff should have said to the defendants to "take the lead" and get the fence done by "X" date, when his tenants move in. And if it was not completed by "x" date, the plaintiff would just do as he saw fit. The plaintiff was more than patient with them.
These defendants are just using every tactic they can to avoid their responsibility to open their wallet. These types of people are neighbors from hell. In my opinion she should have given them half.
I was thinking he deserved half of the cost but then i put myself in the neighbours' shoes and realize that it's already bad enough for the law to force me to pay for something if i dont really want or need it. What if no one has pets and they didnt need a fence? In this case they will not benefit any from the fence that the neighbor wants for his own reasons. So one-third of the cost was a fair ruling since there is already a law in their State.
Oh my gosh the defendant are so picky! They did not agree to stuff, they changed things constantly and now they are throwing a fit. If they are unhappy then fix it yourself. I feel bad for the plaintiff, he tried time and time again to get this done. Entitled defendant.
As a homeowner it sounds like the neighbors didn’t want this guy to make money by having renters in the neighborhood. People get really petty when they feel they own the neighborhood
They really wanted the price per pound on the nails? Wtf? And the judge said it herself of you wanted everything broken down on the proposal, why not say it from the beginning, why wait until the 3rd proposal? But then the judge doesn't give him his half? Wtf? I feel for the plaintiff, even the contractor walked away.
She is absolutely horrible with being fair. The plaintiff was beyond fair and reasonable and she forced him to pay so much out of the 50/50 split because.... they are unreasonable? I really have noticed she is so biased in a lot of these cases.
My former boss, the Code Enforcement Chief for our community, decided to install a cinder block wall on the property line between him and the neighbor. A durable wall replacing a flimsy fence is a property improvement and increases the value of both properties, so it would benefit him and the neighbor. He spoke with the neighbor about splitting the cost, but the neighbor refused even though they knew it would be a huge benefit to them. So he dropped it and paid for the entire wall. When he had the installation done, he told the mason to not smooth out the mortar or in any way improve the appearance on the neighbor’s side, to not trespass on their property for any reason since they weren’t paying for the wall and therefore he had no right to trespass. So my bosses’ side of the wall was beautifully installed and smooth, a huge property value benefit. But the neighbor’s side looked like a sloppy cake that a child tried to frost: mortar passing out the bricks and dripping down the wall. It actually *decreased* their property value instead of increasing it! 🤣 They were PISSED and there wasn’t a damn thing they could do about it!
I have seen brick walls put up between houses in California. They are lucky this was just a fence and not a Wall. It was awful that they couldn't agree on the fence and now it has been done.
The defendants gave a very big vibe of choosing beggars. It was never to their expectations, not cooperating, criticizing but never wanted to participate or contribute to the cost of the fence.
I hope someone else mentions that the alternating panels are referred to as a 'Good Neighbour Fence' and this design is meant to give both sdes an equal aesthetic view. The fact that she's whinging over the space between the panels gives a clue as to how patient the plaintiff really is. IMO
Defendants are neighbors from hell. They delayed the fence building for SEVEN MONTHS, even after being aware that plaintiff needed it done so he could have tenants move in. Really, the problem wasn't how picky they are (which is bad enough; who but an insane person wants a breakdown of the cost of NAILS for God's sake??!!??), but the fact that they couldn't get their act together to let the contractor know what they needed all at once. Continuing to change the terms over and over and over with more and more and more demands for months on end would frustrate anyone. No wonder he decided he didn't want to work with them; I wouldn't have wanted to work with these miserable people either. They have some kind of mental problem, and I feel sorry for anyone who lives near them.
Plaintiff is likeable, polite and professional. Would t mind him being my neighbor or even my lawyer lol the defendants on the other hand- omg how can people be so annoying and entitled?!
Those defendants sure will be here again in 5 years, and they’ll be paying another $1033 for another poorly done fence because they wanted a masterpiece to the expense of everyone else lmfao 😂
The defendants should have been incharge of building the Noah's Ark, that way it would never get built, we all would've perished and and aliens wouldn't hate us so much.
This shouldn't have been this difficult. The defendant's are hard to please unfortunately. Fair judgement and that was nice of the plaintiff to say at the very end to Doug. Peace, Positivity and love to everyone reading this.
The defendants were concentrating to much on small details that didn’t matter, the plaintiff just had to make decisions cuz the defendants were lagging. But after everything was said and done, how could the defendants think they didn’t have to pay something towards the fence. Gosh greedy ppl these days.
I have dealt with fences being built bad twice. It is incredibly frustrating. So, on the third one, I had to be quite persnickety about it…particularly because we have a detention pond behind our house.
The contractor made the right call to back out of that one. People like this don't realize that proposals take time to put together and so does each revision and will treat you like they already hired you whilst taking your time to make multiple revisions to proposals and you don't even have the job yet. Asking for the cost of nails is absolute bs. These are the type of people that end up hiring non licensed, non bonded and uninsured people to work on their properties all the while complaining about your prices and comparing your legitimate tax paying business to the local handy person.
This just brought me anxiety... I live in CA and we need to replace two sides of our fence.... one side is a rental with a landord that doesn't respond, the other side is a passive aggresive controlling man.... ugh.
FYI Sakrete in the post isn't that big of a deal..Sakrete make multiple kinds including no mix just add water..I've been in the construction trade for over 25 years and for a basic wood fence using a non mix just add water Sakrete is absolutely fine to use..I'd be more concerned about using treated lumber..
I was thinking he deserved half of the cost but then i put myself in the neighbours' shoes and realize that it's already bad enough for the law to force me to pay for something if i dont really want or need. What if no one has pets and they didnt need a fence? In this case they will not benefit any from the fence that the neighbor wants for his own reasons. So one-third of the cost was a fair ruling in my opinion.
Maybe if they hadn't been so picky in the first place they would have got exactly what they want,the woman defendant wants alo T of stuff but wouldn't get anyone to do exactly what she wants.
Cheapskates! They were such cheapskates. Who is that detailed and doesn't pay? Like, not even a portion in good faith? They are the worst clients to have! Revision after revision and not being serious about moving forward. That's bad human being behavior.
“It doesn’t hurt to be persnickety”!!!?!???? Hell no they tried to get out of paying and get a new fence! If they were so picky they could of just got the contractor themselves! I would of made them pay more!
Many people only could wish they had a neighbor like the plaintiff. Even if he has a tenant in the house and you complain he would take care of it.the defendant are the people you never want to be near you
There was a moment it appeared the Judge had already made up her mind..before the defendants finished testifying..plaintiff doesn't deny lower quality wood and gap in fence..huh!
If they live in an Open Graze County in California- they aren't responsible for half, but they did agree to the project. In Open Graze Counties I can run cattle through your property to feed if it's not fenced.
Wow, these defendants are horrible customers. When I give estimates to my customers, I give a total cost of the job. I would never price every single piece of material out for the customer. Cost of nails, and such, I wouldn’t be surprised if they asked how many nails would be used in this fence, how many were in the case and subtracting money for each nail that was left in the case and not needed. They will never find contractors that are willing to work with them if they keep playing games like that. Every time the defendant wanted a revision, the contractor should charge that party specifically for their wasted time.
See...im petty. You dont wanna pay? Fine. I'll move the fense to my yard so now you have NO fense and now your animals and property are at risk while mine are secured
I had a nasty pair of drunks next door and wanted a fence. We lived on a lake and due to the forest on the other side of them. Their only view of the water was towards my property. They basically told me to f*ck off. So I had a 8 foot high privacy fence built from the road to the high water line. $8k later they had no view of the lake. Originally I had a 4 foot high chain link fence in mind. There was no by-law standards for fences at the time. I later sold the house and found out a year later the new owner was happy for the fence because the drunks were such a holes. "Good fences make for good neibours."
There is and the defendant said that's what they used, but she was right about the sand problem. If the fence line is affected by sand as she says, that concrete will fail in the coming years.
this is why i don't like neighbors close by. and i think that law is stupid, it's going to make a lot of people end up in court. if you want a fence and i dont, because i don't feel like spending the money right now you go on ahead and do it on your property. we dont need to share a fence.
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I want this defendant to lose not only because they are wrong but simply for her voice and how she speaks
Absolutely!! I hate her voice. 😂
I've never agreed more.
Agree! 😂😂😂
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I had to fast forward when she spoke. ANNOYING AF
The defendants wanted their choice of fence and did not pay a dime. How would that ever be right.
I'm not sure how people aren't embarrassed trying to defend this. Smh they are trying to find every reason to not pay instead of from the beginning just detail everything, have it done then charge him half. Easy peasy. Lol
I would love to have the plaintiff as a neighbor! He seems very cool and understanding. Where his neighbor is the classic neighbors from hell!
There are people in this world who you can NEVER make happy.
These defendants appear two of them!
Just look at them, two sad sacks that haven't smiled in 10 years.
@Bill: I respectfully disagree with you. They wanted the fence wood to be of high quality (Redwood lumber is available in 30 different grades, I read). They wanted to be clear on the costs of *all* materials. They wanted the fence ground posts to be installed to withstand the test of time (photos w/workers showed they weren't). They wanted a no BS job to take place (the gap in the fencing looks retarded, imho). In closing: The defendants are quality people who like quality things and are persnickety and there's nothing wrong with that; it just means that *they* don't choose to settle for what 99% of the population will settle for.
@@pchelloo They were LITERALLY trying to count the number of screws being used........lol!!!!
They're definitely picky af! 💯💯💯
@@pchelloo @pchelloo that where you are dead wrong my friend. The defendants know that plaintiff have a deadline and they try dragging their heels over that deadline in order to avoid paying. Probably thinking the plaintiff would not sue or would lose in court.
If it is as you said the evidence submit of the multiple of revision by the initial contractor would show that defendants request a,b,c item to be done and the revision weren't including those a,b and c item. Instead as the judge say each time the revision are done defendants want more things done and moreover the itemized list doesn't come up until later revision are done. The initial contractor are sick of it and bailed.
So with critical thinking we can all deduce as the judge did, that the defendants just want to avoid paying and will never be satisfied.
Since the defendants were being so picky and already scared off a contractor, the plaintiff should have said to the defendants to "take the lead" and get the fence done by "X" date, when his tenants move in. And if it was not completed by "x" date, the plaintiff would just do as he saw fit. The plaintiff was more than patient with them.
These defendants are just using every tactic they can to avoid their responsibility to open their wallet. These types of people are neighbors from hell. In my opinion she should have given them half.
Straight From the Gates of Hell.
I was thinking he deserved half of the cost but then i put myself in the neighbours' shoes and realize that it's already bad enough for the law to force me to pay for something if i dont really want or need it. What if no one has pets and they didnt need a fence? In this case they will not benefit any from the fence that the neighbor wants for his own reasons. So one-third of the cost was a fair ruling since there is already a law in their State.
As Robert Frost said, "Good fences make good neighbors."
He ain't never lied.
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These Defendants are the EXACT people I would never want to live next door to me. Terrible, terrible people.
Oh my gosh the defendant are so picky! They did not agree to stuff, they changed things constantly and now they are throwing a fit. If they are unhappy then fix it yourself. I feel bad for the plaintiff, he tried time and time again to get this done. Entitled defendant.
As a homeowner it sounds like the neighbors didn’t want this guy to make money by having renters in the neighborhood. People get really petty when they feel they own the neighborhood
They don't want to pay that's why they come up with excuses
They really wanted the price per pound on the nails? Wtf? And the judge said it herself of you wanted everything broken down on the proposal, why not say it from the beginning, why wait until the 3rd proposal? But then the judge doesn't give him his half? Wtf? I feel for the plaintiff, even the contractor walked away.
they two people were delaying him as much as possible
She is absolutely horrible with being fair. The plaintiff was beyond fair and reasonable and she forced him to pay so much out of the 50/50 split because.... they are unreasonable? I really have noticed she is so biased in a lot of these cases.
I will never share a fence with someone. I'll build a fence on my property even if the neighbors have a second fence right there
My former boss, the Code Enforcement Chief for our community, decided to install a cinder block wall on the property line between him and the neighbor. A durable wall replacing a flimsy fence is a property improvement and increases the value of both properties, so it would benefit him and the neighbor. He spoke with the neighbor about splitting the cost, but the neighbor refused even though they knew it would be a huge benefit to them. So he dropped it and paid for the entire wall. When he had the installation done, he told the mason to not smooth out the mortar or in any way improve the appearance on the neighbor’s side, to not trespass on their property for any reason since they weren’t paying for the wall and therefore he had no right to trespass. So my bosses’ side of the wall was beautifully installed and smooth, a huge property value benefit. But the neighbor’s side looked like a sloppy cake that a child tried to frost: mortar passing out the bricks and dripping down the wall. It actually *decreased* their property value instead of increasing it! 🤣 They were PISSED and there wasn’t a damn thing they could do about it!
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If I was a contractor no matter how bad I need the money, I would never work for the defendants.
The defendants are jerks, wanting a new fence for absolutely nothing.
I have seen brick walls put up between houses in California. They are lucky this was just a fence and not a Wall. It was awful that they couldn't agree on the fence and now it has been done.
The defendants are a contractors worst nightmare
The defendants gave a very big vibe of choosing beggars. It was never to their expectations, not cooperating, criticizing but never wanted to participate or contribute to the cost of the fence.
Truly the definition of bad neighbors 😂
Defendants were quite picky, but then complained about the fence costing too much. Glad I don’t live next to them.
I hope someone else mentions that the alternating panels are referred to as a 'Good Neighbour Fence' and this design is meant to give both sdes an equal aesthetic view. The fact that she's whinging over the space between the panels gives a clue as to how patient the plaintiff really is. IMO
Defendants are neighbors from hell. They delayed the fence building for SEVEN MONTHS, even after being aware that plaintiff needed it done so he could have tenants move in. Really, the problem wasn't how picky they are (which is bad enough; who but an insane person wants a breakdown of the cost of NAILS for God's sake??!!??), but the fact that they couldn't get their act together to let the contractor know what they needed all at once. Continuing to change the terms over and over and over with more and more and more demands for months on end would frustrate anyone. No wonder he decided he didn't want to work with them; I wouldn't have wanted to work with these miserable people either. They have some kind of mental problem, and I feel sorry for anyone who lives near them.
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With neighbors like these people; who needs enemies.
Boomer is a mentality; they both have it.
They are the worst kind of neighbors to have.
If you want the job done well, and almost your way or the highway, then be there work with the guy and stick around. He was so patient with you.
Mr. and Mrs. Karen seem like miserable neighbors to not pay anything after 7 months of not accepting the revisions after revisions... PAY THE MAN!
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Karens! Exactly!
These people are so damn picky!
And I hope that the the plaintiff wins
They have an excuse for everything they never intended on paying that’s why they were being so difficult
Plaintiff is likeable, polite and professional. Would t mind him being my neighbor or even my lawyer lol the defendants on the other hand- omg how can people be so annoying and entitled?!
So glad they lost !! They just didn't want to pay !!!
Those defendants sure will be here again in 5 years, and they’ll be paying another $1033 for another poorly done fence because they wanted a masterpiece to the expense of everyone else lmfao 😂
The defendants should have been incharge of building the Noah's Ark, that way it would never get built, we all would've perished and and aliens wouldn't hate us so much.
neighbors from hell. the good neighbor should rent to a huge noisy family. drive these people crazy.
Just bloody pay for your part of the fence lady. OMG. Any excuse not to pay. UNBELIEVABLE.
This shouldn't have been this difficult. The defendant's are hard to please unfortunately. Fair judgement and that was nice of the plaintiff to say at the very end to Doug. Peace,
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The defendants were concentrating to much on small details that didn’t matter, the plaintiff just had to make decisions cuz the defendants were lagging. But after everything was said and done, how could the defendants think they didn’t have to pay something towards the fence. Gosh greedy ppl these days.
They never planned on paying. They are only being this particular bc they planned on not paying.
Persnickety? Nah, just neighbors from hell. Good thing the Plaintiff was a BIGGER PERSON than the SMALL COUPLE.
SHAMEEE d defendants wants a FREE FENCE..
Cheap home owners that didn't want to pay !!! Happy they lost losers !! And the lawyer is really cute too !!!💯❤
This ruling was BS.
These defendants were hoping the plaintiff would get tired of dealing with having no fence and just pay for it himself.
Inconsiderate people. I'm glad they lost.
I'll never understand why people want to share the cost. If YOU want a fence build it on your own yard and pay the cost yourself.
Mr. Constantine is happy to be done with this case so he can get back to hunting down violent paranormal entities.
I have dealt with fences being built bad twice. It is incredibly frustrating. So, on the third one, I had to be quite persnickety about it…particularly because we have a detention pond behind our house.
The contractor made the right call to back out of that one. People like this don't realize that proposals take time to put together and so does each revision and will treat you like they already hired you whilst taking your time to make multiple revisions to proposals and you don't even have the job yet. Asking for the cost of nails is absolute bs. These are the type of people that end up hiring non licensed, non bonded and uninsured people to work on their properties all the while complaining about your prices and comparing your legitimate tax paying business to the local handy person.
and he a lawyer too
The defendants have a lot of issues about the fence for people who have NOT PAID for this fence. You can't complain if you don't pay.
They were mad he was gonna rent and have "strangers" in the neighborhood...thats what the REAL issue was.
PICTURE THE DEFENDANT NOT BEING A CONTRACTOR BUT "KNOWING" EVERYTHING ABOUT CONTACTING 😂😂😂 SMH
Morning y'all..omg the defendant's especially the wife would drive me crazy
That's exactly what my cat said. Imagine being their server at a restaraunt.
lol my cat said the same. And good morning to you as well.
Shes basically a KAREN.
Defendants just so creepy
This just brought me anxiety... I live in CA and we need to replace two sides of our fence.... one side is a rental with a landord that doesn't respond, the other side is a passive aggresive controlling man.... ugh.
Oooh…good luck with that situation! We mighty see you on the People’s Court, too! Lol
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That defendant pissed me off she the. Type of stay at home wife that just details the fk out of every job they get done
Sounds like the defendants are coming up with any excuse possible to not pay. Not a good neighbor to have.
I agree.
"I reached out to a lumber company". Yeah, I'm sure you did
FYI Sakrete in the post isn't that big of a deal..Sakrete make multiple kinds including no mix just add water..I've been in the construction trade for over 25 years and for a basic wood fence using a non mix just add water Sakrete is absolutely fine to use..I'd be more concerned about using treated lumber..
I was on the plaintiff's side until I saw the gap in the fence, and although considered 'fair', that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen...
I was thinking he deserved half of the cost but then i put myself in the neighbours' shoes and realize that it's already bad enough for the law to force me to pay for something if i dont really want or need. What if no one has pets and they didnt need a fence? In this case they will not benefit any from the fence that the neighbor wants for his own reasons. So one-third of the cost was a fair ruling in my opinion.
Maybe if they hadn't been so picky in the first place they would have got exactly what they want,the woman defendant wants alo T of stuff but wouldn't get anyone to do exactly what she wants.
Cheapskates! They were such cheapskates. Who is that detailed and doesn't pay? Like, not even a portion in good faith? They are the worst clients to have! Revision after revision and not being serious about moving forward. That's bad human being behavior.
The gap is easily corrected with a small board installed in that gap.
The gap alone I wouldn't want to pay anything for the fencing as it makes it useless to contain a pet or younger children.
I can see why the plaintiff rents out this property, who the hell would want to have people like the defendants as neighbors, not me that's for sure.
When did it become “reached out to” instead of just “talked to”. This is always said in these court shows.
Yeah it took 15 min for someone to say they just didn’t want a fence ! Omg what were they 2 like.
“It doesn’t hurt to be persnickety”!!!?!???? Hell no they tried to get out of paying and get a new fence! If they were so picky they could of just got the contractor themselves! I would of made them pay more!
Many people only could wish they had a neighbor like the plaintiff. Even if he has a tenant in the house and you complain he would take care of it.the defendant are the people you never want to be near you
He had RED FLAGS from Day 1. The cost of nails?? They're cheapskates and annoying..
There was a moment it appeared the Judge had already made up her mind..before the defendants finished testifying..plaintiff doesn't deny lower quality wood and gap in fence..huh!
Crappy decision! They should’ve been made to pay half. Defendants are abhorrent people.
If they live in an Open Graze County in California- they aren't responsible for half, but they did agree to the project.
In Open Graze Counties I can run cattle through your property to feed if it's not fenced.
The defendants have more complaints than the Kardashians have plastic surgeries😢
This couple, especially the woman takes OCD to a whole other level!😬
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Wow, these defendants are horrible customers. When I give estimates to my customers, I give a total cost of the job. I would never price every single piece of material out for the customer. Cost of nails, and such, I wouldn’t be surprised if they asked how many nails would be used in this fence, how many were in the case and subtracting money for each nail that was left in the case and not needed. They will never find contractors that are willing to work with them if they keep playing games like that. Every time the defendant wanted a revision, the contractor should charge that party specifically for their wasted time.
I'm glad I live in Michigan. Because I will not pay for my neighbor fence
They finally started adding commas in 4-digit dollar figures. I only saw them in 5-figures (at least $10,000) until today.
They should have had to had to pay half they had over 7 months
The defendants should of gotten their own contractor if it was such a big deal to them.
The judges hair colour is perfect for her skin tone.
They wanted something for nothing.
See...im petty.
You dont wanna pay?
Fine. I'll move the fense to my yard so now you have NO fense and now your animals and property are at risk while mine are secured
I had a nasty pair of drunks next door and wanted a fence. We lived on a lake and due to the forest on the other side of them. Their only view of the water was towards my property.
They basically told me to f*ck off. So I had a 8 foot high privacy fence built from the road to the high water line. $8k later they had no view of the lake. Originally I had a 4 foot high chain link fence in mind. There was no by-law standards for fences at the time. I later sold the house and found out a year later the new owner was happy for the fence because the drunks were such a holes.
"Good fences make for good neibours."
This woman is absolutely ridiculous!
The judge has big hands
All I heard was a whinny neighbor
There is concrete for fence posts that you are supposed to pour the concrete in the hole and water on top of it
There is and the defendant said that's what they used, but she was right about the sand problem. If the fence line is affected by sand as she says, that concrete will fail in the coming years.
@@heftyelf If you do the hole prep right it'll be fine.
I'm sure they r yelpers who act this way in a restaurant
Defense was stalling. They didn’t want to pay the money and were hoping he’d just go away
Defendant is utterly a jerk.
They basically refused the first contractor bc after months of revising, the neighbors wanted itemized down to the number & cost of a nail.
this is why i don't like neighbors close by. and i think that law is stupid, it's going to make a lot of people end up in court. if you want a fence and i dont, because i don't feel like spending the money right now you go on ahead and do it on your property. we dont need to share a fence.
This is kinda funny , as we speak my neighbor is paying for all materials and I'm doing the labor. It's on my property and is my fence
i find the complaint about the blank space in the middle of the fence to be funny. it can't be that hard to fill it in if they really want to.