Should Splinter Twin be banned in Modern? What about Birthing Pod? Be sure to watch our Shuffle Up & Play where Cedric Phillips and Patrick Sullivan in no way answer this question by playing Modern Splinter Twin vs Birthing Pod: th-cam.com/video/eMcJe_VWUfU/w-d-xo.html
Twin might not be overpowered for modern but it certainly homogenizes things and leads to a frustrating playstyle of "I need a clock to pressure the Twin player but if I tap out, in comes Deceiver EoT and I lose." Not to mention imagine cards like 3feri/FoN, or Veil for Tarmotwin.
Splinter Twin just isn't fast enough to dominate Modern nowadays. It will certainly see some play but it doesn't hold up to the MH2 tribal decks which make up like 80% of the metagame.
If it weren't for the personalities playing, this would have been three of the worst games I've ever seen. It's not a magic game; it's two players playing two different games racing to see who gets there first. Thank god WotC isn't stupid enough to print cards like The Rack again, but they keep trying to help Mill become a thing.
Bonus points if it's an eccentric personality, who does long video essays about over analyzing details in games. Is Brian David Gilbert available? Sidenote: Absolutely love your videos!
@@gearkiller07 o I thought they were talking about how to do muti triggers in a single turn. Or if you have a card that sends muti cards to the graveyard but I have a card that gives me those card sent to the graveyard if it is a permanent.
Spice8Rack is iconic in shuffle up and play, love to seem them in an episode. Also looking forward to April, based off the intro she already seems to be a physical manifestation of stress on the professor lol. Love shuffle up & play and the guest brought on
I know it is something weird to say in this channel, but I really appreciate seeing other formats than commander. There is already so much commander content everywhere that it is refreshing to see other stuff. I also absolutely love modern, it is my favourite format
The players, jokes/insults and pacing really did it for me here. As a returning player (unsure if this is the best time to return, lol) the card explanations and slower pace really helped me learn a lot compared to some other episodes. Thanks for the content as always :)
Dominaria United was a banger. I don't know much about later sets, but I bought a box of brothers' war. As in just bought it so I don't know how interesting it is
I want a 90 minunte video of the three of you getting daydrunk at a very fancy brunch and it's just back and forth zingers and cussing with heavy breakfast food and stiff drinks. You guys are a joy to watch. Thank you for the games.
Note on cards swapped out: "Bloodchief Ascension, yes it can hit those crabs but I really don't think i need that much creature removal" Bloodchief Ascension wouldn't be in the deck in relation to creature removal. It is a card hitting the graveyard from anywhere, not just creatures dying on the field. Meaning that discard will also trigger it and hurt alot. Not saying removal was automatically a bad idea. Just think Spice might have missread the trigger.
Can I just say, I am 45 years old and just getting into Magic the Gathering, this host and the videos he makes are so extremely helpful and entertaining. Brilliant content and keep it coming!
Love the episode! I play both 8Rack and Mill in Modern and was so happy to see this episode. Unfortunately the Prof probably should have lost game 2, both of you forgot to discard a card for Small Pox which would have allowed the double Raven's Crime next turn to force you to discard Tasha's Hideous Laughter but it allowed a third game so it was all good! :D
I think that April simply doesn't understand how good Leyline of the Void is, ESPECIALLY against discard. There are two possibilities: either it's in your opening hand, and so you get to start the game with it in play (this has never happened); or you draw it later in the game, and you have an easy choice to discard later since it's just a dead card. Super OP when you think about it.
So it takes away a card in your starting hand - exactly what you want to do when playing vs 8rack, right? It also hoses basically 1 card in the opponents deck, while also shutting down some of your cards that care about the number of cards in opponents graveyard. Sideboarding it in vs 8rack is almoast getting a handicap.
By that logic, the best strat against discard is to only have unplayable cards in your deck so you never discard anything important. I think you just solved Magic.
Y'know, I'm not a fan of modern because I don't really play it, but watching you folks play it is still super entertaining! Thanks Prof. (Plus Spice and April are hilarious)
The only way the professor wins Is by “forgetting” to discard a card too smallpox and consequently not have it to discard Tasha’s hideous laughter in a later turn. 36:07
I just want to say how much I appreciate that the players are asked to explain their card effects on this show. As a very casual player who has never been good at memorizing cards, it's a breath of fresh air compared to some other shows where everyone just plays cards and moves on, leaving me in the dust.
I absolutely LOVE watching Spice play during this. It was truly a delight to watch it banter with April and the Prof. Such a fantastic video. Thank you TCC!
@@killmyassdead it can be difficult to adjust to, but I do my best to honor and respect all pronouns, especially as a they/them. I do still catch myself using they/them for Spice sometimes, but stuff happens. And they/them isn't an unacceptable thing, according to it's bio so 😬😅
Stumbled into a short form of this episode, I have no experience with playing magic but stayed for the delightful banter and great production quality 👏 maybe Magic is in my future (as a current yugioh player!)
Love the fact that everyone agreed Land Destruction was DEFINITELY on the table of evil options. My personal evilest MTG is still related to grenade-tossing Goblins and their aggro ilk.
April trying to act like her and the Prof aren't the same age was hilarious and Spice remains one of my favorite humans on the planet. Prof is pretty cool too I suppose.
Started playing MTG Arena last week to learn the rules of the game and crack some virtual packs. Yesterday I got my first 5 booster packs of MTG cards! Hope to have a Forest/Plains deck soon 🙏 thanks for your videos and shorts I've been binging them now that I understand what's going on!
@@icywalrus4906 I think the Professor has an open Discord server where you can find people looking for webcam magic. I am not sure of the details, but he has mentioned it a bit at the end of some of his latest videos. You could check the description of this video too to see it there is a link there.
For the curious ones about the 0/0 vs. * / * distinction: Characteristic-defining abilities function in all zones. If a creature is a 0/0 with "this creature gains +1/+1 for each artifact you control", then in zones other than the battlefield, it's a 0/0. On the other hand, if a creature is a * / * with "this creature's power and toughness are equal to the number of artifacts you control", that's a characteristic-defining ability and it applies in all zones.
"no one expects the inquisition of kozilek" I heartily chuckled Love the guests. Probably my top favorite guests. More laughs per minute than Airplane!
45:10 That might be one of the most villainous things I've ever seen, I felt the pain deep within my soul. I thought it would be one of those little electrical hand buzzers, classic villainy... but the true plot was far more sinister.
Spice8Rack's evil laughs are precious! I love how often he's on this channel! He brings such a goofy presence to any video, and I love it! Especially on bad days, he really helps brighten my mood with his antics.
At this point the professor is the teacher who has to be in charge of the the class that misbehaves the most but have a heart of gold. The “I’m young” part took me out
I play both mill and discard in arena and edh with phenax and tinybones. Imo discard is way more evil because if the discard player doesnt have their win con, youre just hoping to draw an instant speed answer. Meanwhile with mill is kinda just burn, but blue raspberry flavored, you still have your hand with options and possible answers, also the mill may help get to answers faster. Yeh both make youre opponent groan, but mill makes you're opponent groan for what COULD'VE been and discard makes them groan for what WOULD'VE been
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Should Splinter Twin be banned in Modern? What about Birthing Pod? Be sure to watch our Shuffle Up & Play where Cedric Phillips and Patrick Sullivan in no way answer this question by playing Modern Splinter Twin vs Birthing Pod: th-cam.com/video/eMcJe_VWUfU/w-d-xo.html
Twin might not be overpowered for modern but it certainly homogenizes things and leads to a frustrating playstyle of "I need a clock to pressure the Twin player but if I tap out, in comes Deceiver EoT and I lose." Not to mention imagine cards like 3feri/FoN, or Veil for Tarmotwin.
I think we should ban Spice8Rack in Modern, whatcha' think! ;)
Splinter Twin just isn't fast enough to dominate Modern nowadays. It will certainly see some play but it doesn't hold up to the MH2 tribal decks which make up like 80% of the metagame.
Discard beat mill. Discard is more evil then mill.
If it weren't for the personalities playing, this would have been three of the worst games I've ever seen. It's not a magic game; it's two players playing two different games racing to see who gets there first. Thank god WotC isn't stupid enough to print cards like The Rack again, but they keep trying to help Mill become a thing.
fun video! someone should make a video about the differences between these kinds of magic
Bonus points if it's an eccentric personality, who does long video essays about over analyzing details in games. Is Brian David Gilbert available?
Sidenote: Absolutely love your videos!
I hope you do a Mill vs Discard video on every magic channel except your own
@@AgonalRhythm oh my god. I hope it does. That would be the best joke/troll of all time. 🤣
That "laugh at the end of the episode" you went into a scream sent me. Love ya
It should be at least an hour long and devolve into goblin discussion at least once
I can't believe Spice8Rack was so popular they made it into a real card
too bad they shaved its facial hair :(
Spice8rack is a blessing to this community
Spotted the Spice8rack sock puppet account
Truuue
So true
Spice really is indeed.
He really does SPICE up any video he's in.
Spice trying to be anti union and then like 2 minutes later building villain solidarity is hilarious
It's called a cartel
That is why we love Spice
Comes for Spice, stays to finally see Mill v Discard
Check out the Cardmarket video as well
@@nathanielreichley4640 which also featured Spice8rack
As a mill player this match is weird
I always come for Spice
You know, I have some notes on that.
06:18 I'm immediately buying four copies of Inquisition Of Kozilek in Spanish. Hope nobody expects that.
A+
If you can find copies, you let me know because I've been looking FOREVER. Closest I've found is Portuguese.
Have them! It's great.
@@SyntheticReign same here, and I live on México, Like come on how hard can it be to get a card ln your native language!!?
They are like 200$ lmao
April pointing out that reading the card no longer consistently explains the card 😂
Well the card by it's self does not say what it can combo effectively with. So indeed reading a single card does not explain all of the card now.
@@loganshaw4527 I think they were talking about Errata lmfao
@@gearkiller07 o I thought they were talking about how to do muti triggers in a single turn. Or if you have a card that sends muti cards to the graveyard but I have a card that gives me those card sent to the graveyard if it is a permanent.
Spice8Rack is iconic in shuffle up and play, love to seem them in an episode. Also looking forward to April, based off the intro she already seems to be a physical manifestation of stress on the professor lol. Love shuffle up & play and the guest brought on
I know it is something weird to say in this channel, but I really appreciate seeing other formats than commander. There is already so much commander content everywhere that it is refreshing to see other stuff. I also absolutely love modern, it is my favourite format
Love Modern too! Go Merfolk!
@@TolarianCommunityCollege now that you mention that, it would be cool to see an episode all about completely tribal decks
@@Griever49 and get Spice8rack again to play goblins. Or Jim Davis.
Watch mtg goldfish they play the hole spectrum of formats.
I love shuffle up and play not explicitly being a commander show but just magic in general, such a good break from the dozens of other shows
My dream is to see Richard Garfield and Peter Atkinson in this show. Those games will be instant classics!
That would be a dream!
@@TolarianCommunityCollege we could make Richard Garfield play Living End! Magic as he always intended it to be.
secomd
@@Beowulfgang_Amadeus i think you spelled dredge incorrectly...
Everyone knows Garfield would play Channel Fireball
The escalating evil laughter at the end with April looking unenthused was cut perfectly . *Chef's kiss* to the editor.
The players, jokes/insults and pacing really did it for me here. As a returning player (unsure if this is the best time to return, lol) the card explanations and slower pace really helped me learn a lot compared to some other episodes. Thanks for the content as always :)
Really glad to hear you enjoyed it.
Dominaria United was a banger. I don't know much about later sets, but I bought a box of brothers' war. As in just bought it so I don't know how interesting it is
From Dominaria United to now, sets have been pretty hype. Commander/Pioneer is probably the way to go to save money.
Prof building mill makes sense. With each new episode, you can see his Fraying Sanity.
I want a 90 minunte video of the three of you getting daydrunk at a very fancy brunch and it's just back and forth zingers and cussing with heavy breakfast food and stiff drinks. You guys are a joy to watch. Thank you for the games.
Spice literally willing to do mill vs discard anywhere but their channel
Note on cards swapped out:
"Bloodchief Ascension, yes it can hit those crabs but I really don't think i need that much creature removal"
Bloodchief Ascension wouldn't be in the deck in relation to creature removal. It is a card hitting the graveyard from anywhere, not just creatures dying on the field. Meaning that discard will also trigger it and hurt alot. Not saying removal was automatically a bad idea. Just think Spice might have missread the trigger.
Pretty sure he wanted to talk about Bloodchief's *thirst* and it was just a mixup.
The Professor has a PhD in my heart because he seems like a Pretty happy Dude
As someone very nearly done with his PhD, I can guarantee that no one with a PhD is even remotely happy.
@@Dyundu whoooooooosh 💨
Can I just say, I am 45 years old and just getting into Magic the Gathering, this host and the videos he makes are so extremely helpful and entertaining. Brilliant content and keep it coming!
Wow, thank you!
I just want to see Spice and April play every evil deck ever, please.
I cannot believe it! After years of effort the Professor finally earned his first win! This is truly a glorious day.
I really liked the surreal bits of this where everyone just kept scream laughing into the camera.
Love the episode! I play both 8Rack and Mill in Modern and was so happy to see this episode.
Unfortunately the Prof probably should have lost game 2, both of you forgot to discard a card for Small Pox which would have allowed the double Raven's Crime next turn to force you to discard Tasha's Hideous Laughter but it allowed a third game so it was all good! :D
Was going to comment the same thing but you put it much more eloquently.
Spice8Rack has insane chemistry with literally anyone.
Its because they're highly unstable and extremely reactive
I think that April simply doesn't understand how good Leyline of the Void is, ESPECIALLY against discard. There are two possibilities: either it's in your opening hand, and so you get to start the game with it in play (this has never happened); or you draw it later in the game, and you have an easy choice to discard later since it's just a dead card. Super OP when you think about it.
What are you even beating with leylinr
So it takes away a card in your starting hand - exactly what you want to do when playing vs 8rack, right? It also hoses basically 1 card in the opponents deck, while also shutting down some of your cards that care about the number of cards in opponents graveyard. Sideboarding it in vs 8rack is almoast getting a handicap.
By that logic, the best strat against discard is to only have unplayable cards in your deck so you never discard anything important. I think you just solved Magic.
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I love how Spice8Rack looks like alternate universe David Tennant as Crowly from Good Omens. They rock it.
Shuffle up and play is the real celebration of magic 30, love just fun games played with magic cards, best magic show period.
Y'know, I'm not a fan of modern because I don't really play it, but watching you folks play it is still super entertaining! Thanks Prof. (Plus Spice and April are hilarious)
Spice is by far one of my favorite guests on this show!
This is my favorite Magic series on TH-cam right now. Love just seeing some fun banter between friends with some classic play.
The only way the professor wins Is by “forgetting” to discard a card too smallpox and consequently not have it to discard Tasha’s hideous laughter in a later turn. 36:07
professor really cheats? no dignity
To be fair spice also missed the discard which may have let him cast the second ravens call thing
This in an April appreciation comment. Please have her more often
Damn, I love Spice8Rack. It has such a fantastic personality.
I just want to say how much I appreciate that the players are asked to explain their card effects on this show. As a very casual player who has never been good at memorizing cards, it's a breath of fresh air compared to some other shows where everyone just plays cards and moves on, leaving me in the dust.
Love this series! More pauper and commander!
I absolutely LOVE watching Spice play during this. It was truly a delight to watch it banter with April and the Prof.
Such a fantastic video. Thank you TCC!
Our pleasure!
As someone who uses it/its pronouns - thank you and Prof both for actually honoring and using them
@@killmyassdead You love to see it! (Pun intended.)
@@killmyassdead it can be difficult to adjust to, but I do my best to honor and respect all pronouns, especially as a they/them.
I do still catch myself using they/them for Spice sometimes, but stuff happens. And they/them isn't an unacceptable thing, according to it's bio so 😬😅
I love that they're playing a card game... while wearing mirrored sunglasses
This was a joy to watch! I hope to see more of CubeApril and Spice8Rack here!
Prof has a Villain laugh on par with the Joker, this episode was so much fun!
Many Magic the Gathering players ask the question: "can't wait for the next episode".
That wasn't a question because subverting expectations is evil.
I want that scream (at the end) as a notification ringtone. Can we make that happen?
8:05 _"This is the best evil you could find?"_
Dayyyymn! 🔥
Leyline of the void + Visions of beyond is an 'interesting' combo I guess.
Loved the banter.. evil laugh outro was just the cherry on top
I was SO surprised that Spice 8 rack didn’t take that Tasha’s, those cards can be brutal.
April and Prof going at it was hilarious. Hope she comes back soon.
Spicy man is always a treat.
Absolutely love spice! I also love that they show up to play magic while wearing reflective sunglasses
Spice is the most entertaining guest anyone could ever have.
As a person who runs Gaea's Blessing, mill players are my favorite to play against.
Gaea's blessing is my favourite to Surgically extract
Stumbled into a short form of this episode, I have no experience with playing magic but stayed for the delightful banter and great production quality 👏 maybe Magic is in my future (as a current yugioh player!)
Love the fact that everyone agreed Land Destruction was DEFINITELY on the table of evil options.
My personal evilest MTG is still related to grenade-tossing Goblins and their aggro ilk.
This video was so much fun to watch I loved the “sportsmanship “
Finally, Discard vs Mill.
April trying to act like her and the Prof aren't the same age was hilarious and Spice remains one of my favorite humans on the planet. Prof is pretty cool too I suppose.
Started playing MTG Arena last week to learn the rules of the game and crack some virtual packs. Yesterday I got my first 5 booster packs of MTG cards! Hope to have a Forest/Plains deck soon 🙏 thanks for your videos and shorts I've been binging them now that I understand what's going on!
Also is there a Discord or group to communicate with some of the MTG community? I could use some friends and I could learn faster.
@@icywalrus4906 I think the Professor has an open Discord server where you can find people looking for webcam magic. I am not sure of the details, but he has mentioned it a bit at the end of some of his latest videos. You could check the description of this video too to see it there is a link there.
@@fercanche2279 thanks!
Honestly, I've never played MTG and don't know anything about it, I stumbled on this episode and the fun banter is what's keeping me watching
I love that the banter between you and April has only gotten better since The Chalice 2018 :)
If i can compliment this series in any way, its that its really bringing the *gathering* aspect back into what MTG means, and that makes me happy.
BAD Morning Magic, I'M Spice8Rack from the Welsh Coast.
I made a mill deck in arena. Sometimes i lose and sometimes i win and sometimes my opponent concedes at the first ruin crab
Dying laughing at the Spice8Rack scream at the end! There's a reason it keeps getting invited back to this channel!
Please please please just keep producing this content. It’s so good
You keep watching it, I'll keep making it. Deal?
Ah. I see April's on this one. Must be the Friar's Club Roast of The Professor.
For the curious ones about the 0/0 vs. * / * distinction:
Characteristic-defining abilities function in all zones. If a creature is a 0/0 with "this creature gains +1/+1 for each artifact you control", then in zones other than the battlefield, it's a 0/0. On the other hand, if a creature is a * / * with "this creature's power and toughness are equal to the number of artifacts you control", that's a characteristic-defining ability and it applies in all zones.
It's scary how effortlessly funny Spice is.
This is my favorite episode yet. Spice is always great, and this is the same time I’ve seen Cube April. She’s amazing
"no one expects the inquisition of kozilek" I heartily chuckled
Love the guests. Probably my top favorite guests. More laughs per minute than Airplane!
LET'S GO MILL BAYBEEEEEEEE (getting your pet deck showcased feels great lol)
genuinely my favorite gameplay series on youtube
Ahh the good chuckling quickly changing into crazy cackle scream, love it
Love the banter and the vibes in this video. Great trio for some laughs and chilled gameplay!
This video was two villains versus a single bad guy. I’ll leave it up to you to determine who’s who
If i could like it again i would. Outstanding gameplay among friends having fun. The series keeps getting better :)
Rarely have I seen a man this fabulus.
I love spice8rack on magic content sooo much. You’d think he was a comedian the amount he makes me laugh.
Okay, like how has WotC not sponsored this yet, it's a love letter to the game
Because WotC, probably more specifically, Hasbro, doesn't love the game...
@@Xoulrath_ Yeah, there just isn't any way they would support the Professor ... he is sincere.
To busy printing $1k card packs
The banter and constant roasting of the professor by the guests made this video a real treat. Thanks for the great upload.
45:10 That might be one of the most villainous things I've ever seen, I felt the pain deep within my soul. I thought it would be one of those little electrical hand buzzers, classic villainy... but the true plot was far more sinister.
Can I just say I absolutely love Spice. They're so freaking amazing.
Okay, cutting right when asking Sheldon (mid game?) if you can proxy a card, is sooo good. I cant wait
Hymn to Tourach, Dark Ritual, The Rack.... those cards were Revised(3rd Ed)/Fallen Empires/The Dark sets. God I loved those sets. :)
These videos are actually so wholesome at heart
Spice8Rack's evil laughs are precious! I love how often he's on this channel! He brings such a goofy presence to any video, and I love it! Especially on bad days, he really helps brighten my mood with his antics.
At this point the professor is the teacher who has to be in charge of the the class that misbehaves the most but have a heart of gold.
The “I’m young” part took me out
Love these sneak peeks with the guests and the intros with the animations and music!
I love that both Prof and Spice8 got hit with Tash's Hideous Laughter at the end.
Oh yeah baby. Budget 8 Rack was my first and only Modern deck.
This has to be my favorite episode yet. It’s so good!
SO glad you enjoyed it!
had zero idea who Spice8Rack was until he started poping up in these vids, now i click fast af on then, by far my fav guest!
Yes! A new shuffle episode so good. Plus, great to see that spicy person of the Internet
Spice8Rack played these same decks on the Cardmarket Channel. Great to see an encore!
Ha! Spice's eyes just before 53:00 were well done!
I was already planning on watching the first one. The second one I might watch years from now.
The goblin king has returned 😤
Quarter of the game mini boss evil is such beautiful banter. I love this already.
8rack is my favorite deck in non-commander constructed, I really enjoyed this video
I play both mill and discard in arena and edh with phenax and tinybones.
Imo discard is way more evil because if the discard player doesnt have their win con, youre just hoping to draw an instant speed answer. Meanwhile with mill is kinda just burn, but blue raspberry flavored, you still have your hand with options and possible answers, also the mill may help get to answers faster.
Yeh both make youre opponent groan, but mill makes you're opponent groan for what COULD'VE been and discard makes them groan for what WOULD'VE been
Spice8racks damage photo is by far the best I've seen EVER xD What a treat of a video.
regular Spice8Rack: capitalism :(
evil Spice8Rack: capitalism :)
I came here to support the non-commander content like many others 🥳