The MOST HEATED Allen Iverson Debate EVER on The Panel
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ย. 2024
- The fellas get a bit heated debating Allen Iverson while ranking all-time shooting guards and the conversation goes off the rails.
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All I know is Dwade is better than both of them so I'm cool
Facts💯
Correct
Cappppp super cappp he’s not better than A.I. ask Wade why he wear #3 bruh 😂
@@GodSon91 wade literally was #3
@@GodSon91 mj Kobe wade goofy😭💯💯
THE AI DISRESPECT IS CRAZYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!
so AI gonna average 40 in this era but steph, KD, luka wont? this is getting out of hand
@@bmorejunior depends on the FGA he could with 24 FGA with no hand checking less physicality. You had to watch him back then. If you started watching after 2006 you aren’t eligible to talk. I seen most eras after the 80’s. Those guys are more efficient but not as dynamic with the rock by handles, speed and toughness. How tf you think he got 4 scoring titles
@@Creamcity414 we are talkn bout one of the least inefficient players of all time without a 3 point shot. if curry cant average 40 in todays game then AI wont. curry is better than AI at everything on offense. shoots a way higher % from every spot on the floor than AI too
@@Creamcity414 and bro AI shot 28 shots per game one season he was a jackaholic. with all due respect to AI, no GM is letting a 6'0 inefficient guard shoot 25 shots a game in todays game im sorry to break it to you.
@@bmorejunior 28 shots of game one season get the fuck out of here you never seen AI play. You’re too young you young cats under 30 you need to shut up and stop talking about what you haven’t seen. All you have is statistics and I love statistics but they have to go along with the eye test. It’s just like the test you can’t use the test without statistics. It goes hand-in-hand. I’ll give him 28 field goal attempts in this era what is his average? Goofy !
@@bmorejuniorthis is what people fail to understand
If you believe Allen iverson is a better scorer than Kobe, you have no basketball knowledge. None. If you go on to a platform and say something like that you aren’t good for the sport of basketball. Im disgusted. Your credentials do not matter if your experience in basketball results in a take that Ai>Kobe as a SCORER. It’s disappointing and sad.
Woah you’re blowing it out of proportion. It’s definitely an argument but just saying it’s sad to say a hot take is crazy
@@Majin-vw1iw It is sad. It means that basketball discourse is somehow regressing. It already has taken years and years for the concept of ppg to not equate to a player being a better scorer than someone. It’s taken yrs for true shooting to be respected. For this ai>kobe as a scorer take + it’s reasoning to exist, it means that we are further from the truth/good hoops debates than I realized. Im sad now. Im very passionate about this as ball is rlly my life fr.
I’m a huge A.I. fan he’s my personal 3rd favorite player of all time, but he’s not a better scorer than Kobe.
U sound dumb for a while Iverson was a better scorer than Kobe my guy he has 4 scoring titles at his size & has a better career avg than Kobe 😐
@@damiangreen3008u definitely don’t know ball 🏀
Marz is right ppl do just hate Kobe & it’s more than Ox
Im from Sacramento so I hated #8… I tried to fight it but I became a fan of #24 in 2010. I wish I was a Kobe hater, BUT IM NOT.
It goes both ways. People love Kobe to delusional ways too.
There’s both
@@TheLivewire18 so it ain’t delusional bron fans? Waaay more of that than Kobe fans & I wasn’t a fan of Kobe I’m a Boston Celtics fan but I respect what he brought to the game
@@Frm662 Nope. Not even close. Kobe fans are waaaaaay worse.
Maybe THE most annoying fanbase for any 1 single player.
@@TheLivewire18 stop the bs ppl out here threatening mfers that go against anything lebron so please stop lying
Harden on the nets was so elite very underrated Ron clearly don’t know ball
Him becoming a real pg on that team was scary af
@@playoffp2024I swear they don’t remember that tho, it was literally a discussion if that was the best he’s ever been at the time
he was legitimate garbage and choked again in the playoffs stop it
@@sydoesgames you clearly didn’t watch harden was good in the playoffs that year before he got hurt
@@MOE__ 3rd option, 20 ppg, but apparently he was in contention with kd for the 1? 😂😂😂 bro wasn’t even out playing kyrie
Ngl never seen Marz cook like this. Saying AI vs Kobe was debatable fired him up 😂
From 96-2002 A.I. was better individual player look it up
@@GodSon912000 was the last year ai was better Kobe was better in 01
@@GodSon91 I agree although from 2001 I think it's debatable. Peak for Peak it's not close though.
@@GodSon91look what up? kobe was better at every single aspect of the game except dribbling 😂😂😂
@@l3gendarysage293yea ok 😂
My only problem with the efficiency argument is that Chuck played in era where if you was the best player nobody gave a fuck how many shoots you took.. It’s also not easy to put up 30 shots in a pro game.. All the efficiency shit wasn’t really a big ass deal when some of the top scorers was 38% from the field today you lose minutes for that
My G, sincerely thank you. part of the reason people loved and hated Kobe was for the fact, it don't matter if its 3 sets of hands in his face, you knew Kobe COULD make it so people didn't trip. the efficiency argument only really became a thing in today's version of the game and due to how the style of the game/players have changed. that's why, though I don't like when people use it to just dismiss arguments, it really helps for you to have been there and physically saw them play and/or heard the conversations that took place around that time. that's exactly why you can make the argument of Tim Duncan being better than Kobe now but couldn't do so fr from like 03-10'
@@rodericbyrd945 unfortunately Kobe legacy is unfairly graded.. In one of his last interviews he said if he knew he would be judged the way the judged the game now would have done things differently but I grew up on late 90s 2000s basketball that’s the game I loved and that game is gone
23:50 Swipa sounding like he’s getting PTSD from being in Denver watching AI 😂
Bro out here praising Eric Snow lol
A.I. 4x Scoring Champ
3x Steals Champ
That 2001 sixers was defense and Allen Iverson scoring only DikembeMutumbo was their rim protector
Harden clears AI. What are doing here Players Choice….
Na you didn't see Iverson play
ai way better he played in the deadball era and average 33 and brung a team to the finals carrying all of the offensive load harden is a pick n roll merchant how is harden better?
@@LilShiro05also a foul baiter lmao
@@LilShiro05harden literally manipulated foul calls to score lmao Iverson was really getting fouled
Hell nah 🤡 AI clears harden easy work
A.I GOT 4 SCORING TITLES...HARDEN GOT 3. Ai smallest number 1 pick, smallest mvp and smallest scoring champ
Allen Iverson is my favorite player of all time but the Harden vs. AI debate is closer than ppl think.
Shouldn’t even entertain an Ai and Kobe conversation…
@@thatkiddshoun4467 🤡 96-2002 AI was the best or Shaq you didn’t see it so be quiet
@@Creamcity414what year were you born?
@@Creamcity414 what is ai better than Kobe at on a basketball court?
@@thatkiddshoun4467scoring passing and steals
@@The4ceMan no, no, and he’s better at steals but overall defensively it’s not close
In 7 Finals appearances Kobe shot under 40% for the series twice and shot 41% from the field and 31% from 3 in the Finals...just saying. Excuses are made for players people love!!!
FG% has NOTHING to do with efficiency. Bryant's True Shooting Percentage across those 7 Finals was actually +0.2% against the defensive opponent, positive scoring efficiency.
2001 Sixers: Top 5 Defense, 2002 Nets: no. 1 Defense, 2004 Pistons: no. 2 Defense, 2008 Celtics: no. 1 ranked Defense, 2009 Magic: no. 1 ranked Defense. 2010 Celtics: Top 5 Defense.
Exactly way to disregard context and Kobe played in the slowest era when scoring was down plus the true comparsion would be how well did Ko be did against those teams compared to other teams number one options who played those same teams
@@remmy1082 Iverson was inefficient relative to his own era, when you account for league environment at the time and Defenses he faced, Iverson was STILL inefficient relative to his competition.
I hate when people try to bring up Percentages in order to discredit someone…..Who the fuck else was gonna shoot the ball if not Kobe? I know what I saw when I was watching the game!!! I can give two shits about a player who doesn’t really shoot the ball in order to protect his Field goal Percentage
@@1538superman shaq?
Why bruh yelling ?
They were all yelling nonstop the whole episode. I recommend watching the whole thing
This the thing with nostalgia. We have gotten to the point where we say a team with the MVP, DPOY, and 6MOTY, with the 5th best regular season defense is a bad team just to boost Allen iverson.
Also how can you argue Joe Johnson is better than dumars cause he’s taller, but argue iverson is better than harden cause he’s shorter. You can’t have both that’s fucking stupid
The Bubba Chuck bashing is at an all time high
Deservedly So…
@@KByrd80AI is a legend he birthed your favorite point guard today probably 😂😂
This generation I really don’t get why they hate the greats 😂
@@GodSon91it has to makes sense people will prop iverson but disrespect Clyde like he wasn’t a better player then iverson as well
This shows you the power of narrative, single games, and moments that change people's perception of a player. That 48 point game overall holds so much weight in people's mind for how good AI was, when that he never consistently hit those heights throughout his career. Other examples of this are Kyrie's shot over Steph and people thinking Kyrie one of the clutchest players ever.
@@AveryB.0 you nailed it
Kyrie has a lot of clutch moments
@saadwani9175 he has but no where near the actual clutchest players of all time. Outside of Cavs runs, he has had a lot of shaky moments in the playoffs. He was actually hooping last year with the Mavs but then played his worst in the finals
Bro whatt 😂 A.I. had great years & games after with no team success my guy u can’t fault a player for not have great support throughout career He got 55pts game 03 playoffs bro stop
@@GodSon91 I'm addressing what this guy kept referring to. The 01 playoffs and taking a game off the Lakers. That was almost the basis for his entire argument lol
21:12 Marz the greatest of all time 👏🏾💯
@@Flight31White the dumbest
@@Creamcity414how is he the dumbest? He broke down all of his points it’s not his fault that you or anyone else can’t comprehend what he said.
@@Flight31White he broke down what ? That he watched him in 2001 no highlights ? That the defense was more physical ? That he had 4 scoring titles with hand checking ? Shut up little clown 🤡
@@Flight31White you children need to get banned from all basketball debates
@@Flight31White picture of curry is an L loser
All-NBA Teams (Total Selections)
James Harden 7
Allen Iverson 7
Scoring Leader
James Harden 3
Allen Iverson 4
Assists Leader
James Harden 2
Allen Iverson 0
Steals Leader
James Harden 0
Allen Iverson 3
Rookie of The Year
James Harden 0
Allen Iverson 1
A.i got 0 assists titles and ROY don't matter lol
Harden lead the league in total steals in 2019-20, and btw you added ROY to help AI agenda LMAOO
@@GXprogameryeah like why he aint add playoff wins or series won 😂😂
Yay, allen iverson was rookie of the year. Harden was sixth man of the year and btw harden is thee only 3x scoring title holder and 2x assist leader holder 😂
Harden vs Ai is one of the most interesting basketball debates ever
its stupid because we are comparing a guy who won 15 playoff series vs the other guy who only won 6 in 14 years LMAO
@@GXprogamerexactly A.I only gets a pass because of 01 which blow me
@@GXprogamerJAMES HARDEN IS NOT BETTER THO, HE JUST HAD A BETTER TEAM
@@rahzikashiharris9539what in the sport is he not better at
@@jjharkins4217 BASKETBALL
That thumbnail is tough
Nobody here is recognizing AI’s real game. He lead the league in steals 3x and made more defensive teams that Harden. In fact, Harden was a laughingstock on defense in his prime. The two don’t even compare when you look at defense
Iverson was a horrible defender. Stop looking at stats
Steals don’t really tell the whole story. AI was never known as an elite defender.
Dude killed his own argument... soon as he was asked the criteria of a scorer, he stated that its level to this based off ability, SIZE, quickness...... but earlier stated that A.I being only 6 ft to Hardens 6'6 wasnt a factor
Allen Iverson is crazily overrated. People conflate Iverson's popularity within Pop Culture & Sports and conflate that with his effectiveness on the court. He was a worse version of Westbrook.
Huh?
A.I gets more credit for winning a single finals game than LeBron does for making 10 finals
Facts lmao
🧢
That's bec A.I had an average team while LeBron had SUPER TEAMS for 9/10 Finals and yet he has a LOSING Finals RECORD as he's also the ONLY MVP in NBA HISTORY with the most Finals L's 🤷🏽♂️
@@Mercurial.9/10 you don’t think the 2018 Cavs were a super team we don’t have to just lie. 2015 wasn’t either. Neither was 2014. We were there we all saw the games this take is nasty lol
@@KimarKurosaski
My bad. You correct.
07 and 18 Cavs were NOT SUPER TEAMS.
So that's the 2 he gets massive credit although it's through the WEAK EAST.
Let's keep it real.
Iverson has 4 scoring titles
The issue with AI was he was kind of inefficient for his situation.
AI does have the finals appearance, but if Harden played in a conference that was the same as the early 2000’s East, he could’ve also made a final as a team’s best player.
The 76ers was the best team in the east and AI was the best player in the east. So he really shouldn’t get that much credit. I say his game 1 performance was amazing but that’s about it
@@fortynights1513 inefficiency back then was t a big deal to players because they played the game differently I was there for most of these eras.
With snow mckie lynch hill mutombo?
@@Creamcity414Iverson was inefficient FOR HIS ERA. Meaning compared to his peers, his opponents he was inefficient. League Average in Scoring Efficiency back then was 51% - 52%, Iverson was at 49% - 51%
Allen iverson was the offense on his team and it was the early 2000s of course. as soon as he teamed up with melo his numbers were in the mid 40s where they should have been for his Gen.
If I had to pick, which one I rather guard, I would rather guard harden, I would burn more energy guarding AI
You gonna have to start guarding harden with your hands tied behind your back lol , best foul drawer we’ve seen
@@playoffp2024 that’s fine, guarding AI in his prime, I would be exhausted and with these new rules, you couldn’t touch him
Lol don't bring yourself into this because Harden would tower over you, unless you're 6'6 idk
@@user-gc2ln8fy1f this has more to do with, who’s harder to guard, if you can’t block a shot, you can’t, having to guard someone like AI is exhausting, I will exhort more effort guarding AI
bro got outplayed by ray allen, reggie miller and vince carter in that 01 playoff run
That 01 team defense might be the most under appreciated team in sports
@@playoffp2024 but his stans will tell you his team was awful. they had the 6moty, dpoy, and coach of the year on the team. AI vs the bucks had a three game stretch shooting 5/26, 10/32, then 5/27 (bro shot 5/27 and they still won) so obviously the team couldnt have been that bad. oh and ik the refs helped them win the series too
@@bmorejunior That series is notorious for being rigged, Stern wanted the MVP to go to the Finals
Harden clears him so bad
No cause Ai is great off ball just as much as on ball harden gotta keep the rock the whole game that makes his teams gameplan more predictable and stagnant AI is better but not by much James went on a legendary run also man this is basically # 4 and 5 SG’s on the all time list
AI has proven to be more impactful than Harden and is obviously the greater player
@@keonhendrickson638 according to what? Harden has better seasons got out the 2nd round more led better teams etc
nathan
ai played in the toughest scoring era and he still averaged 33
I mean we keep talking better scorer but AI is top 5-6 in scoring average for career
I watch this show less because of Swiper
The people commenting have to be 16 and under saying harden over AI aka pound for pound the toughest player ever. Also check scoring averages. AI came out the gate LIKE THAT
There's a difference between better for his height vs better overall. That being said AI performed much better in playoffs and he would obviously would average more today than in the 2000's
Marz did tell him it would be hypocritical. And it was indeed hypocritical.
Iverson cooked kobi in LA WITH SHAQ.THEY ARE GREAT WITH THE GIFTS THEY SHOWED OFF
Allen Iverson carrying the trash 76ers is the most lying narrative ever said and I’m a huge Iverson fan. Offensively they needed Iverson’s production yes but they were defensively great and that’s how they were able to cover Iverson’s negative defense impact…
iverson negative defensive impact?? lol. chill. leading the league in steals and competing on defense is what he did. not saying he was an elite defender but not as bad as you're making him out to be. and that philly defense was not great.....they were the 5th best defense in the league that year. that aint great bud. Nowadays all yall want all this offensive fire power around the players yall like, but Ai played with no legit offensive weapons. That means no floor spacing and playing against boxes and elbows every damn game. all these greats yall put above iverson played with other HOF players they whole career. leave Ai alone...
@@dlrichardson56 he is still a negative defender overall, having to gamble for steals and not being consistent were his flaws defensively as well as being small
@@SkodenMOC interesting.....are familiar with what phil jackson had to say about kobe's defense?? do you know what kobe's defensive numbers say about him?? since we are talking about being in the negative, i think you should research some of what i asked in regards to kobe's defensive ratings and phil's comments on kobe. I think you'll be suprised. either way....iverson was not a great defender by any means but he competed on defense and gambling for steals isn't always good but when you are actually coming up with more steals than anybody thus creating more possessions for you're team that is a positive. some of us are better at gambling than others.
@@SkodenMOC just for shits and giggles.... kobe defensive box + - is -0.1. talk about negative lol
@@dlrichardson56 iverson def tried on defense but he was still an issue for the teams defensive bleeding value… not like Muggsy or Boston IT terrible like
You can’t talk about AI with certain people without them getting emotional. Nostalgia is the strongest drug in the world.
21:08 LMAOOO why did he say that like Marz wasn’t ready for that
Ron might be slow ngl
Might?
If James played in the early 2000s I think you would have been still good at elite. But he wouldn't be able to get to his spots like he normally does because the floor shrinks and he also would get guarded by the best defenders of all time during that period. Allen Iverson was pound for pound tougher got to his spots quicker and more effectively. Allen Iverson had the ball on a string. Nobody was catching that guy unless you were shaq or Tim Duncan somebody knocking him down. 8 hours a better mid-range shooter James harden is a better three ball. But pound-for-pound Allen Iverson is overall better and more effective at overall winning speaking for peak
What’s different between manu arenas and pierce from harden he literally molded his game after them 3 big guard slow pace get to his spots
Misconception harden is 6’5 stocky guard at his peak in Houston bigger than most in 2000s with a better 3point shot and playmaking. Kobe and iverson got to the line 9x a game. It would be the same for harden he wouldn’t need to flop because he’d actually get fouled and calls like those guys did 😂
@@curtiszyr not saying he can't. Just not like he can today in this cupcake era. 🙃🫣 They'd eat hardens lunch for dinner back than 🤣
People talk so negatively about the 76ers teammates but that’s probably the best situation for AI where the opportunity cost of his shots are low and he can be an offensive floor raiser
at like the 6 minute mark is where this episode should’ve ended lol
Y’all delusional asf if u think that Philly team was good 😑
Did Allen Iverson not have multiple 50-point playoff scoring games?
The power of gettting your hair braided on the sideline is greater than actually being a great player 😂
This is peak Players Choice, Jordan has been the best addition since Swipa imo
Efficiency. End of discussion
@@Lexio3031 dumb ! Efficiency back then was t a huge problem you didn’t watch back then. The defense didn’t allow guards that type of play. It also was mono e mono just ball hog and score.
Efficiency is gonna look better because 1 guy took 12 threes a game
@@Creamcity414 and he was inefficient in those mono e manos for a career. Both have an MVP, both are volume scorers, so what’s the separator besides efficiency?
Efficiency is overrated and misleading
@@Lexio3031 yeah and it didn’t matter back then lmaooo especially with guards
Brother this shit is beyond troll coach clip farming at this point 😂
I don’t think I’ve ever done that in my life to be honest.
This like the 4th time i heard an iverson vs harden debate on pc. Love the energy though.
Allen Iverson who is smaller averaging 30+ in multiple season in the one of the slowest pace eras with higher physicality, playing in 2018 would be nasty 😂 averaging 37 might not be a stretch
NOBODY could check AI. This era allows players to use their individual talent to impact the game much more than 20 years ago. Iverson would eat full meals every game in this era with less physicality, less space and a less crowded paint
A.I. over Kobe & Harden is nasty work 😂😂
Definitely over harden
@@GodSon91 AI won only 6 playoff series in his 14 year career LMAOOO harden surpasses him by far
@@GXprogamerHarden has had way better teams of course his record is better
@@shinsukecorbin425 AI had the 6MOTY and DPOY in 2001
And AI also took huge advantage of the refs bailing his team out the East against the Bucks
@@shinsukecorbin425exactly dudes don’t know basketball 😂😂😂😂
AI over harden all day !! James harden has played with more talented than AI and chokes so many times in the playoffs we expect him to choke !
At least harden can make the playoffs consistently and isn’t living off one run that consistently blinds the fact he lost in the first round the next year
I don’t get this obsession with hypothetical points. It goes beyond this Harden vs. AI convo but it was highlighted here with the “if you put Harden on the ‘01 76ers/how many points would Harden average in the early 2000s”. If the crux of your argument hinges on something that can *literally* never be proven, it’s not a very sound argument.
Still, makes for entertaining content.
The second he said James Harden was the best player on the Nets I knew he was talking bs
James harden played with KD, Russ, Howard, Embiid, PG, Cp3, Kawhi.
Iverson played with Melo, Mutumbo, Iggy, Stackhouse.
Give me iverson.
Harden numbers decrease in the playoffs. Iverson numbers dont
Why does it matter about the midrange vs the 3 ball when iverson still averages more points per game for his career than harden with just midrange?
I could probably build a team easier with Harden’s strengths than Iverson to be fair.
Yet AI took the worst team to a finals with less help?? Harden has had damn near more all star teammates than Bron and hasn’t made a finals on his own team
@shinsukecorbin425 harden had to go through the most talented team ever. Then got injuried in the nets and everyone knows they probably have won or atleast finals
Y’all still up here disrespecting A.i one min it’s Manu better now Harden 😂😂 A.i would average 40 today
Yea this is a narrative based show zero facts 😂😂
They up here caping for a choke artist saying he’s better then a guy who carried a team with no spacing and no other real scoring option on his roster also played 40 mins a night in a way tougher era like he was fucking Superman
That's cap. The East was weak as shit when AI was playing
@jadenuniverse9541
Allen Iverson didn't carry a team. Most eastern conference teams in the early 2000s in general didn't have great spacing. That 76ers team got to their finals because of their defense. Dikembe mutombo literally won the dpoy that year. And if you want to talk about choking, let's talk about Ai in game 5 of the ecf against the bucks where he scored 15 points on 18% from the field.
@@Christo_Trismegistus every team had one SuperStar in the East but now it’s weak because the East today have multiple stars on one Team that’s logic don’t work g
I’m taking AI over Harden everytime. I would say AI in this era would average about 25-30. I’m not debating on this lol
Ja Morant >>>> AI
On 25 shots too
So he would average less than James harden....
James averaged 36 lol
@@torreanwhite8025 how many bullshit freethrows in that doe? Please 😂
THE COACH IS LIAR BRO GET HIM OFF THE SHOW
Interesting fact, career wise A.I averages more free-throws than Harden.
Why tf did chill bring up Trae young? The way they score isn’t comparable so how is that a good indicator that iverson would be a great scorer?
Harden clears man come on im getting sick of this “let’s put on for the older era bs” and before you ask me .. no I’m not some 2000s born Gen z and yes I saw Iverson in the early 00s I’m just sick of this older era getting bigged up because they are extremely liked instead of just using facts dudes be in their feelings
Ai top 5 sg ever but sadly old heads overrate him
17:43 Marz lying Iverson that year shot 45 % that’s a fact cause he had help look it up don’t listen to the A.I. hater Marz chat 😂😂😂😂😂
we was talkin ab the playoffs hence why he said 'its 4 games' so erm idk maybe listen with your ears
Marz a A.i. hater simple you ain’t great if u don’t have none so it a compliment to the Great A.I. lil bro don’t like no older greats he to young to witness 😂😂
@@GodSon91 changing the subject after being told what u said was wrong. W,im not a hater but it is what it is. yeah i dont like no older greats,totally
Ai scoring needs to be taken into context with era and rules
Gotta be the worst sports platform
AI would average at least 35 and 8 assists
This shit sound like nobody that played high level ball 😭😭😭😂😂
“If you put Harden in 01…” if Harden plays the game the way he does now…. Yes, it depends on how you have him play the game
Bull said Joel just shoots jump shots get him outta here 😂😂
It’s crazy that Swipa brought up AI shooting numbers in Denver but didn’t mention a single shooting percentage from when Harden was in Philly. I don’t even care about the ppg, show the shooting percentages and you’ll see they were doing THE SAME EXACT SHXT
There’s a difference between playing bad and not showing up. Ai played bad and even then there is some context being left out for that such as bad spacing and bad coaching. James Harden at times completely vanished and seemed disinterested.
Coach has a talent and a gift of bringing out the rage on the panel, he had even Mars going crazy, that's a talent.
On god harden better than d wade and ai
Swipe with literally made the case for Iverson at the 418 mark
AI would destroy this era. Few PG are defensive minding. Jrue hoilday one of the expections. AI would cook this era bad.
AI wasn’t a lockdown defender either. He would great a pick pocketing and passing lanes but he wasn’t a true shut down
@@austinburwell5834 true 👍🏿 I feel he would adapt just based off mentality that this era don't really have. Taking the extra steps to greatness
There weren’t that many defensive PGs in the 00s either. You had Kidd, declining Glove, and Chauncey became better once AI was far away from his prime
White chocolate, might mouse, Steve franchise, Starbury, Nash, BD, Bibby, AI, Rauf, older Mugs, Darrell Armstrong, Tim Hardaway above 32, there was no defensive PGs back then either. And back then they didn’t switch as much, AI could bully any pg because they ain’t worth their weight in salt, now you got to compete with guys who can switch on to you mid drive?
Swipa don't listen well he likes to adjust his answers and questions
AI slander is a players choice classic 😂😂 Marz best topics include AI
This is some of the dumbest stuff I’ve head in my life. I’m losing brain cells
For me, Iverson is the dog that Harden isn’t. Helping miss 27 straight threes and not making the adjustment to attack the rim is insane. Could have offed the 2018 warriors and solidified his greatness but hey if you want to win in the regular season, choose Harden.
27 THREES IS A TEAM RECORD NOT A PLAYER RECORD, what are you talking about, Chris paul was injured and he was facing the GOAT team, stop this narrative
Bro. James harden scoring plummeted once they stopped with the bullshit kicking in the air fouls being called. When they outlawed those egregious baiting foul move that he would do his scoring immediately took a huge hit. It's not a coincidence. He didn't just get old the same year they implemented those rules
AI a better scorer than Kobe is insane, I can’t take some of ya’ll seriously
Harden is playing in a league where there is no defense
This was a good ass debate
Who lead their team to the finals who was a two star athlete. Who did the NBA change rules for because his crossover was too dangerous. End of debate
Iverson in 01 was the best scorer in the league
The romanticization of the past is nasty work lmao.
AI did more with less, can play with the ball or off ball, atleast plays some defense, is elite in steals and didn't burn out and come up short every year in the playoffs.
That’s kinda a nothing point because ai did basically nothing “with less”. 01 east is the worst conference in the history of the nba but sure you can have that point. Harden did so much more consistently and for as much as you guy say he’s a choker, unfortunately him choking is still better then regular playoff ai. Ai was also a terrible defender and came up short in the playoffs every year except 01.
comes up short every year? do you watch basketball? AI came up short MORE
AI was better than Harden. With the spacing today Iverson would have significantly better efficiency than he did during the 2000's when he had virtually no spacing
that stepback may have been considered a travel back then and i doubt harden would get to the free throw line as much.
The 2nd leading scorer on the 2001 team average 12 ppg. We not about to start rewriting history. No team in the last 40 years has won a chip when the 2nd leading scorer averages 12 ppg. Philly had no buisness being there. Iverson put them on his back.
Harden aint putting nothing on his back.
Ai is a tweener to me he’s a pg. Ai came in as a pg but bc how Philly roster was and the notion that he’s not a “traditional pg” that’s why he got put at sg. It was for the betterment of the team but he was always a pg to me. I never believed in the notion that a position has to be 1 way .
The way people shit on that Sixers team is crazy man being an elite defensive team has to mean something. The only reason a AI and pray offense works is because of the defense which is why you saw a lack of success for AI in Denver as well even in a better offensive system
they are hating on ai so bad😭 harden is so inefficient in the playoffs as well. Plus, he had way more help and still never made it farther as a leader than Allen Iverson even with cp3 dwight ect in his prime may i add!
Yes this show has become a biased narrative yelling match for clicks lmao
Harden was not inefficient in the Playoffs. His career True Shooting Percentage is 58.6%(+2% abDefense Adjusted). Iverson's Career True Shooting Percentage was 48.9%(-2% Defense Adjusted)
@@blacknetsmed Seems like their agenda is false after all haha