@@bmorejunior depends on the FGA he could with 24 FGA with no hand checking less physicality. You had to watch him back then. If you started watching after 2006 you aren’t eligible to talk. I seen most eras after the 80’s. Those guys are more efficient but not as dynamic with the rock by handles, speed and toughness. How tf you think he got 4 scoring titles
@@Creamcity414 we are talkn bout one of the least inefficient players of all time without a 3 point shot. if curry cant average 40 in todays game then AI wont. curry is better than AI at everything on offense. shoots a way higher % from every spot on the floor than AI too
@@Creamcity414 and bro AI shot 28 shots per game one season he was a jackaholic. with all due respect to AI, no GM is letting a 6'0 inefficient guard shoot 25 shots a game in todays game im sorry to break it to you.
@@bmorejunior 28 shots of game one season get the fuck out of here you never seen AI play. You’re too young you young cats under 30 you need to shut up and stop talking about what you haven’t seen. All you have is statistics and I love statistics but they have to go along with the eye test. It’s just like the test you can’t use the test without statistics. It goes hand-in-hand. I’ll give him 28 field goal attempts in this era what is his average? Goofy !
If you believe Allen iverson is a better scorer than Kobe, you have no basketball knowledge. None. If you go on to a platform and say something like that you aren’t good for the sport of basketball. Im disgusted. Your credentials do not matter if your experience in basketball results in a take that Ai>Kobe as a SCORER. It’s disappointing and sad.
@@Majin-vw1iw It is sad. It means that basketball discourse is somehow regressing. It already has taken years and years for the concept of ppg to not equate to a player being a better scorer than someone. It’s taken yrs for true shooting to be respected. For this ai>kobe as a scorer take + it’s reasoning to exist, it means that we are further from the truth/good hoops debates than I realized. Im sad now. Im very passionate about this as ball is rlly my life fr.
Allen Iverson is crazily overrated. People conflate Iverson's popularity within Pop Culture & Sports and conflate that with his effectiveness on the court. He was a worse version of Westbrook.
@@TheLivewire18 so it ain’t delusional bron fans? Waaay more of that than Kobe fans & I wasn’t a fan of Kobe I’m a Boston Celtics fan but I respect what he brought to the game
Dude killed his own argument... soon as he was asked the criteria of a scorer, he stated that its level to this based off ability, SIZE, quickness...... but earlier stated that A.I being only 6 ft to Hardens 6'6 wasnt a factor
This the thing with nostalgia. We have gotten to the point where we say a team with the MVP, DPOY, and 6MOTY, with the 5th best regular season defense is a bad team just to boost Allen iverson. Also how can you argue Joe Johnson is better than dumars cause he’s taller, but argue iverson is better than harden cause he’s shorter. You can’t have both that’s fucking stupid
That's bec A.I had an average team while LeBron had SUPER TEAMS for 9/10 Finals and yet he has a LOSING Finals RECORD as he's also the ONLY MVP in NBA HISTORY with the most Finals L's 🤷🏽♂️
@@Mercurial.9/10 you don’t think the 2018 Cavs were a super team we don’t have to just lie. 2015 wasn’t either. Neither was 2014. We were there we all saw the games this take is nasty lol
@@KimarKurosaski My bad. You correct. 07 and 18 Cavs were NOT SUPER TEAMS. So that's the 2 he gets massive credit although it's through the WEAK EAST. Let's keep it real.
This shows you the power of narrative, single games, and moments that change people's perception of a player. That 48 point game overall holds so much weight in people's mind for how good AI was, when that he never consistently hit those heights throughout his career. Other examples of this are Kyrie's shot over Steph and people thinking Kyrie one of the clutchest players ever.
@saadwani9175 he has but no where near the actual clutchest players of all time. Outside of Cavs runs, he has had a lot of shaky moments in the playoffs. He was actually hooping last year with the Mavs but then played his worst in the finals
Bro whatt 😂 A.I. had great years & games after with no team success my guy u can’t fault a player for not have great support throughout career He got 55pts game 03 playoffs bro stop
@@GodSon91 I'm addressing what this guy kept referring to. The 01 playoffs and taking a game off the Lakers. That was almost the basis for his entire argument lol
@@playoffp2024 but his stans will tell you his team was awful. they had the 6moty, dpoy, and coach of the year on the team. AI vs the bucks had a three game stretch shooting 5/26, 10/32, then 5/27 (bro shot 5/27 and they still won) so obviously the team couldnt have been that bad. oh and ik the refs helped them win the series too
U literally are talking out your ass 😂 all 3 of them had way better offensive talent around them. Name one player Ai had too take defensive pressure off him. And he avg 35 for the whole playoff run.
@@Flight31White he broke down what ? That he watched him in 2001 no highlights ? That the defense was more physical ? That he had 4 scoring titles with hand checking ? Shut up little clown 🤡
ai way better he played in the deadball era and average 33 and brung a team to the finals carrying all of the offensive load harden is a pick n roll merchant how is harden better?
The issue with AI was he was kind of inefficient for his situation. AI does have the finals appearance, but if Harden played in a conference that was the same as the early 2000’s East, he could’ve also made a final as a team’s best player.
The 76ers was the best team in the east and AI was the best player in the east. So he really shouldn’t get that much credit. I say his game 1 performance was amazing but that’s about it
@@Creamcity414Iverson was inefficient FOR HIS ERA. Meaning compared to his peers, his opponents he was inefficient. League Average in Scoring Efficiency back then was 51% - 52%, Iverson was at 49% - 51%
Allen iverson was the offense on his team and it was the early 2000s of course. as soon as he teamed up with melo his numbers were in the mid 40s where they should have been for his Gen.
My only problem with the efficiency argument is that Chuck played in era where if you was the best player nobody gave a fuck how many shoots you took.. It’s also not easy to put up 30 shots in a pro game.. All the efficiency shit wasn’t really a big ass deal when some of the top scorers was 38% from the field today you lose minutes for that
My G, sincerely thank you. part of the reason people loved and hated Kobe was for the fact, it don't matter if its 3 sets of hands in his face, you knew Kobe COULD make it so people didn't trip. the efficiency argument only really became a thing in today's version of the game and due to how the style of the game/players have changed. that's why, though I don't like when people use it to just dismiss arguments, it really helps for you to have been there and physically saw them play and/or heard the conversations that took place around that time. that's exactly why you can make the argument of Tim Duncan being better than Kobe now but couldn't do so fr from like 03-10'
@@rodericbyrd945 unfortunately Kobe legacy is unfairly graded.. In one of his last interviews he said if he knew he would be judged the way the judged the game now would have done things differently but I grew up on late 90s 2000s basketball that’s the game I loved and that game is gone
In 7 Finals appearances Kobe shot under 40% for the series twice and shot 41% from the field and 31% from 3 in the Finals...just saying. Excuses are made for players people love!!!
Exactly way to disregard context and Kobe played in the slowest era when scoring was down plus the true comparsion would be how well did Ko be did against those teams compared to other teams number one options who played those same teams
@@remmy1082 Iverson was inefficient relative to his own era, when you account for league environment at the time and Defenses he faced, Iverson was STILL inefficient relative to his competition.
I hate when people try to bring up Percentages in order to discredit someone…..Who the fuck else was gonna shoot the ball if not Kobe? I know what I saw when I was watching the game!!! I can give two shits about a player who doesn’t really shoot the ball in order to protect his Field goal Percentage
No cause Ai is great off ball just as much as on ball harden gotta keep the rock the whole game that makes his teams gameplan more predictable and stagnant AI is better but not by much James went on a legendary run also man this is basically # 4 and 5 SG’s on the all time list
All-NBA Teams (Total Selections) James Harden 7 Allen Iverson 7 Scoring Leader James Harden 3 Allen Iverson 4 Assists Leader James Harden 2 Allen Iverson 0 Steals Leader James Harden 0 Allen Iverson 3 Rookie of The Year James Harden 0 Allen Iverson 1
Yay, allen iverson was rookie of the year. Harden was sixth man of the year and btw harden is thee only 3x scoring title holder and 2x assist leader holder 😂
Iverson is one of the most God-gifted athletes to ever play any sport. He is one of the greatest athletes of the last 30 years. AI don’t even play anymore and there’s tons of clips of him online at his camps just swishing jumpers without trying.
Allen Iverson carrying the trash 76ers is the most lying narrative ever said and I’m a huge Iverson fan. Offensively they needed Iverson’s production yes but they were defensively great and that’s how they were able to cover Iverson’s negative defense impact…
iverson negative defensive impact?? lol. chill. leading the league in steals and competing on defense is what he did. not saying he was an elite defender but not as bad as you're making him out to be. and that philly defense was not great.....they were the 5th best defense in the league that year. that aint great bud. Nowadays all yall want all this offensive fire power around the players yall like, but Ai played with no legit offensive weapons. That means no floor spacing and playing against boxes and elbows every damn game. all these greats yall put above iverson played with other HOF players they whole career. leave Ai alone...
@@dlrichardson56 he is still a negative defender overall, having to gamble for steals and not being consistent were his flaws defensively as well as being small
@@MOCskoden interesting.....are familiar with what phil jackson had to say about kobe's defense?? do you know what kobe's defensive numbers say about him?? since we are talking about being in the negative, i think you should research some of what i asked in regards to kobe's defensive ratings and phil's comments on kobe. I think you'll be suprised. either way....iverson was not a great defender by any means but he competed on defense and gambling for steals isn't always good but when you are actually coming up with more steals than anybody thus creating more possessions for you're team that is a positive. some of us are better at gambling than others.
@@dlrichardson56 iverson def tried on defense but he was still an issue for the teams defensive bleeding value… not like Muggsy or Boston IT terrible like
The people commenting have to be 16 and under saying harden over AI aka pound for pound the toughest player ever. Also check scoring averages. AI came out the gate LIKE THAT
There's a difference between better for his height vs better overall. That being said AI performed much better in playoffs and he would obviously would average more today than in the 2000's
@@Lexio3031 dumb ! Efficiency back then was t a huge problem you didn’t watch back then. The defense didn’t allow guards that type of play. It also was mono e mono just ball hog and score.
@@Creamcity414 and he was inefficient in those mono e manos for a career. Both have an MVP, both are volume scorers, so what’s the separator besides efficiency?
I don’t know why we’re talking about Denver AI. AI famously never slept, played in the most physical era of basketball, and played a style that was physically taxing at 6’0”, 175lbs. He was a supernova that burned bright and burnt out in 10 years. He kept putting up numbers cause he was a high volume shooter. That’s all he knew. That’s how he had success. They enabled and encouraged him to play that style in Philly. The MVP and finals year validated him. So for the rest of his career, you couldn’t tell him shit. He never adapted.
@@user-gc2ln8fy1f this has more to do with, who’s harder to guard, if you can’t block a shot, you can’t, having to guard someone like AI is exhausting, I will exhort more effort guarding AI
Well James harden in 2019 averaged 16 isolation possessions per game which is UNHEARD of, while leading the league in iso efficiency. So he’s definitely going to make you work a ton on defense too. I get Iverson is quicker, but harden also has like 50 pounds on him which would probably even that out in terms of exhaustion
These James Harden lifers NEVER talk about anything outside of those 2 seasons in Houston. How can you ever as a basketball fan or historian bash AI for playoff shortcomings but be mute about Harden in Philly, Houston, and LA?
If James played in the early 2000s I think you would have been still good at elite. But he wouldn't be able to get to his spots like he normally does because the floor shrinks and he also would get guarded by the best defenders of all time during that period. Allen Iverson was pound for pound tougher got to his spots quicker and more effectively. Allen Iverson had the ball on a string. Nobody was catching that guy unless you were shaq or Tim Duncan somebody knocking him down. 8 hours a better mid-range shooter James harden is a better three ball. But pound-for-pound Allen Iverson is overall better and more effective at overall winning speaking for peak
Misconception harden is 6’5 stocky guard at his peak in Houston bigger than most in 2000s with a better 3point shot and playmaking. Kobe and iverson got to the line 9x a game. It would be the same for harden he wouldn’t need to flop because he’d actually get fouled and calls like those guys did 😂
People talk so negatively about the 76ers teammates but that’s probably the best situation for AI where the opportunity cost of his shots are low and he can be an offensive floor raiser
Nobody here is recognizing AI’s real game. He lead the league in steals 3x and made more defensive teams that Harden. In fact, Harden was a laughingstock on defense in his prime. The two don’t even compare when you look at defense
There’s a difference between playing bad and not showing up. Ai played bad and even then there is some context being left out for that such as bad spacing and bad coaching. James Harden at times completely vanished and seemed disinterested.
They up here caping for a choke artist saying he’s better then a guy who carried a team with no spacing and no other real scoring option on his roster also played 40 mins a night in a way tougher era like he was fucking Superman
@jadenuniverse9541 Allen Iverson didn't carry a team. Most eastern conference teams in the early 2000s in general didn't have great spacing. That 76ers team got to their finals because of their defense. Dikembe mutombo literally won the dpoy that year. And if you want to talk about choking, let's talk about Ai in game 5 of the ecf against the bucks where he scored 15 points on 18% from the field.
@@Christo_Trismegistus every team had one SuperStar in the East but now it’s weak because the East today have multiple stars on one Team that’s logic don’t work g
Im part of the problem,AI has so many positive qualities but it never gets appreciated and instead it turns into bashing his flaws instead of praising him like he deserves. all time great player who deserves his flowers
@strongbone9471 and somehow, apparently, he gets more attention than steph Curry. i dont know how we also got to that point i love Ai but, his fans are just so toxic for no reason.
I hate when ppl just bring up a player "quitting" or "choking" in discussions without context. It got better towards the end when you guys discussed how they performed in their roles, teams, circumstances, and expectations. For example, Harden being a heavy iso and stepback three shooter will have huge variance, which can explain him scoring 40 one game and 13 the other for example, but how did he impact the game otherwise? Was he creating plays? Was he disciplined and focused on defense? What was his overall impact good or bad? You don't need numbers/stats, it's all watching the game unfold from ur eyes. I think that's the hooptalk KD means. Whenever ppl bring up a few key terms that will lead to this, I would just pivot or end the convo
Harden is all-time scoring machine great (sometime was elite) and he's a very good distributor of the ball. He makes play he makes his teammates better. But in a playoff setting Allen Iverson who played in a tougher ERA with a defense in the spacing was his tight as a noose around anybody's neck what's an existence he averaged damn near 30 plus points a game. And handed the only team which was the best team in the league defensive wise and offensive wise they hear their only loss in the playoffs harden has never done that with any team outside of the 2017-18 warriors which was impressive. You give Allen Iverson the rockets at 2018 and watch them go to the finals. Because in brighter bigger spots for some reason Allen Iverson showed up with less talent Percy James harden who crumbled under pressure with greater talent
Why would Iverson win on those rocket teams? He was never a better scorer than James Harden ever, even when he played with a more offensively capable team on the nuggets.
@@jonathangordon448 he has to go through Kobe and other greats 👀. Just like harden who has the much more humming offense and way more spacing. What TF u think a.i. would do already at 30 to 33 ppg back then in a crowded paint no space either today? 🛑 Harden would average 25 to 28 PPG on 35 percent and 28 percent from 3 worse than ai. cause they would beat him to his spots and he can't get to his putrid step back because defense would swipe that shit every time. So ai didn't need a 3 when he was getting to the mid range and finishing better
Harden clears man come on im getting sick of this “let’s put on for the older era bs” and before you ask me .. no I’m not some 2000s born Gen z and yes I saw Iverson in the early 00s I’m just sick of this older era getting bigged up because they are extremely liked instead of just using facts dudes be in their feelings
Bruh AI single handedly gave the lakers their only loss of the postseason that year the 76ers went to the finals come on this really a convo he can do everything harden can giving up 3 to 4 inches
Harden could have gotten a game against that Lakers team. Harden scores, rebounds and passes better than Iverson. Iverson was great but all he has over Harden is his speed
I don’t get this obsession with hypothetical points. It goes beyond this Harden vs. AI convo but it was highlighted here with the “if you put Harden on the ‘01 76ers/how many points would Harden average in the early 2000s”. If the crux of your argument hinges on something that can *literally* never be proven, it’s not a very sound argument. Still, makes for entertaining content.
Got to factor in the era Ai played in and his situation overall , he was literally playing 1 on 5 out there with very little spacing but I think harden is better though.
AI had to go against the hand check, barely getting foul calls cause the refs were told to NOT CALL FOULS FOR HIM, being the smallest in the league, Stern purposely not letting the Sixers get help for AI cause of his attitude and AI had a bigger impact on the game than Harden ever will..Put AI in the one on one defense era where he can purposely travel without it getting called he would drop 35 easy
@@TheIcemanthomas harden been choking from okc-clippers and it’s niggas really caping for him sad that basketball talk has came to this is harden great yes iverson is a basketball legend harden is not
At least harden can make the playoffs consistently and isn’t living off one run that consistently blinds the fact he lost in the first round the next year
It’s crazy that Swipa brought up AI shooting numbers in Denver but didn’t mention a single shooting percentage from when Harden was in Philly. I don’t even care about the ppg, show the shooting percentages and you’ll see they were doing THE SAME EXACT SHXT
Harden clears him and it really isn't close. Like Swipa said in the video, the best thing AI did was score and he didn't even do that better than James Harden lol. Idk how people can believe that he's better
For me, Iverson is the dog that Harden isn’t. Helping miss 27 straight threes and not making the adjustment to attack the rim is insane. Could have offed the 2018 warriors and solidified his greatness but hey if you want to win in the regular season, choose Harden.
27 THREES IS A TEAM RECORD NOT A PLAYER RECORD, what are you talking about, Chris paul was injured and he was facing the GOAT team, stop this narrative
21:15 the difference between AI’s bad game and Harden’s bad game is Harden quit. AI never quit. 5-27 is not quitting. 2-11 and fouling out is quitting.
NOBODY could check AI. This era allows players to use their individual talent to impact the game much more than 20 years ago. Iverson would eat full meals every game in this era with less physicality, less space and a less crowded paint
There weren’t that many defensive PGs in the 00s either. You had Kidd, declining Glove, and Chauncey became better once AI was far away from his prime White chocolate, might mouse, Steve franchise, Starbury, Nash, BD, Bibby, AI, Rauf, older Mugs, Darrell Armstrong, Tim Hardaway above 32, there was no defensive PGs back then either. And back then they didn’t switch as much, AI could bully any pg because they ain’t worth their weight in salt, now you got to compete with guys who can switch on to you mid drive?
Marz a A.i. hater simple you ain’t great if u don’t have none so it a compliment to the Great A.I. lil bro don’t like no older greats he to young to witness 😂😂
@@GodSon91 changing the subject after being told what u said was wrong. W,im not a hater but it is what it is. yeah i dont like no older greats,totally
12:31 chill need to chill with that take bro said a dam good team when all teams had to do was stop AI from scoring and thats how they would win....AI had no help at all on offense when every team during that era had a #2 on their teams philly didnt have a # 2 meaning like a #2 scorer
AI was the only offense on that 2001 team that got a game off Kobe and Shaq that mean very little 1v1s most of Hardens points came from foul baiting we see wat happens when that is taken away from him and when his 3point isn’t falling he’s useless in the playoffs I would take AI over Harden but it’s not a wide gap they both have had highs and lows and both are great scorers and ball handlers in any era
The way people shit on that Sixers team is crazy man being an elite defensive team has to mean something. The only reason a AI and pray offense works is because of the defense which is why you saw a lack of success for AI in Denver as well even in a better offensive system
AI did more with less, can play with the ball or off ball, atleast plays some defense, is elite in steals and didn't burn out and come up short every year in the playoffs.
That’s kinda a nothing point because ai did basically nothing “with less”. 01 east is the worst conference in the history of the nba but sure you can have that point. Harden did so much more consistently and for as much as you guy say he’s a choker, unfortunately him choking is still better then regular playoff ai. Ai was also a terrible defender and came up short in the playoffs every year except 01.
All I know is Dwade is better than both of them so I'm cool
Facts💯
Correct
Cappppp super cappp he’s not better than A.I. ask Wade why he wear #3 bruh 😂
@@GodSon91 wade literally was #3
@@GodSon91 mj Kobe wade goofy😭💯💯
so AI gonna average 40 in this era but steph, KD, luka wont? this is getting out of hand
@@bmorejunior depends on the FGA he could with 24 FGA with no hand checking less physicality. You had to watch him back then. If you started watching after 2006 you aren’t eligible to talk. I seen most eras after the 80’s. Those guys are more efficient but not as dynamic with the rock by handles, speed and toughness. How tf you think he got 4 scoring titles
@@Creamcity414 we are talkn bout one of the least inefficient players of all time without a 3 point shot. if curry cant average 40 in todays game then AI wont. curry is better than AI at everything on offense. shoots a way higher % from every spot on the floor than AI too
@@Creamcity414 and bro AI shot 28 shots per game one season he was a jackaholic. with all due respect to AI, no GM is letting a 6'0 inefficient guard shoot 25 shots a game in todays game im sorry to break it to you.
@@bmorejunior 28 shots of game one season get the fuck out of here you never seen AI play. You’re too young you young cats under 30 you need to shut up and stop talking about what you haven’t seen. All you have is statistics and I love statistics but they have to go along with the eye test. It’s just like the test you can’t use the test without statistics. It goes hand-in-hand. I’ll give him 28 field goal attempts in this era what is his average? Goofy !
@@bmorejuniorthis is what people fail to understand
If you believe Allen iverson is a better scorer than Kobe, you have no basketball knowledge. None. If you go on to a platform and say something like that you aren’t good for the sport of basketball. Im disgusted. Your credentials do not matter if your experience in basketball results in a take that Ai>Kobe as a SCORER. It’s disappointing and sad.
Woah you’re blowing it out of proportion. It’s definitely an argument but just saying it’s sad to say a hot take is crazy
@@Majin-vw1iw It is sad. It means that basketball discourse is somehow regressing. It already has taken years and years for the concept of ppg to not equate to a player being a better scorer than someone. It’s taken yrs for true shooting to be respected. For this ai>kobe as a scorer take + it’s reasoning to exist, it means that we are further from the truth/good hoops debates than I realized. Im sad now. Im very passionate about this as ball is rlly my life fr.
I’m a huge A.I. fan he’s my personal 3rd favorite player of all time, but he’s not a better scorer than Kobe.
U sound dumb for a while Iverson was a better scorer than Kobe my guy he has 4 scoring titles at his size & has a better career avg than Kobe 😐
@@damiangreen3008u definitely don’t know ball 🏀
Ngl never seen Marz cook like this. Saying AI vs Kobe was debatable fired him up 😂
From 96-2002 A.I. was better individual player look it up
@@GodSon912000 was the last year ai was better Kobe was better in 01
@@GodSon91 I agree although from 2001 I think it's debatable. Peak for Peak it's not close though.
@@GodSon91look what up? kobe was better at every single aspect of the game except dribbling 😂😂😂
@@l3gendarysage293yea ok 😂
Allen Iverson is crazily overrated. People conflate Iverson's popularity within Pop Culture & Sports and conflate that with his effectiveness on the court. He was a worse version of Westbrook.
Huh?
The cooking to last line bugging combo
You must be like 16 yrs old, yall getting high on here!
Whaat. THIS NINJA TRIPPING..Russell Westbrook voice...
Im 37 and I lived it......HE WAS THAT POPULAR!!!!!!!
Marz is right ppl do just hate Kobe & it’s more than Ox
Im from Sacramento so I hated #8… I tried to fight it but I became a fan of #24 in 2010. I wish I was a Kobe hater, BUT IM NOT.
It goes both ways. People love Kobe to delusional ways too.
There’s both
@@TheLivewire18 so it ain’t delusional bron fans? Waaay more of that than Kobe fans & I wasn’t a fan of Kobe I’m a Boston Celtics fan but I respect what he brought to the game
@@Frm662 Nope. Not even close. Kobe fans are waaaaaay worse.
Maybe THE most annoying fanbase for any 1 single player.
@@TheLivewire18 stop the bs ppl out here threatening mfers that go against anything lebron so please stop lying
Harden on the nets was so elite very underrated Ron clearly don’t know ball
Him becoming a real pg on that team was scary af
@@playoffp2024I swear they don’t remember that tho, it was literally a discussion if that was the best he’s ever been at the time
he was legitimate garbage and choked again in the playoffs stop it
@@SymeloMusic0 you clearly didn’t watch harden was good in the playoffs that year before he got hurt
@@MOE__ 3rd option, 20 ppg, but apparently he was in contention with kd for the 1? 😂😂😂 bro wasn’t even out playing kyrie
Dude killed his own argument... soon as he was asked the criteria of a scorer, he stated that its level to this based off ability, SIZE, quickness...... but earlier stated that A.I being only 6 ft to Hardens 6'6 wasnt a factor
This the thing with nostalgia. We have gotten to the point where we say a team with the MVP, DPOY, and 6MOTY, with the 5th best regular season defense is a bad team just to boost Allen iverson.
Also how can you argue Joe Johnson is better than dumars cause he’s taller, but argue iverson is better than harden cause he’s shorter. You can’t have both that’s fucking stupid
THE AI DISRESPECT IS CRAZYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!
Its bad. AI avg 26ppg to Kobe 24 with NOBODY...4X scoring leader to AI 2x
You mean Truth telling
@@NOTOFWORKS289he had help bro
@paypastackz2g328 who Dikembe? Stop it
@@NOTOFWORKS289Dikembe mutombo is a hall of famer
A.I gets more credit for winning a single finals game than LeBron does for making 10 finals
Facts lmao
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That's bec A.I had an average team while LeBron had SUPER TEAMS for 9/10 Finals and yet he has a LOSING Finals RECORD as he's also the ONLY MVP in NBA HISTORY with the most Finals L's 🤷🏽♂️
@@Mercurial.9/10 you don’t think the 2018 Cavs were a super team we don’t have to just lie. 2015 wasn’t either. Neither was 2014. We were there we all saw the games this take is nasty lol
@@KimarKurosaski
My bad. You correct.
07 and 18 Cavs were NOT SUPER TEAMS.
So that's the 2 he gets massive credit although it's through the WEAK EAST.
Let's keep it real.
This shows you the power of narrative, single games, and moments that change people's perception of a player. That 48 point game overall holds so much weight in people's mind for how good AI was, when that he never consistently hit those heights throughout his career. Other examples of this are Kyrie's shot over Steph and people thinking Kyrie one of the clutchest players ever.
@@AveryB.0 you nailed it
Kyrie has a lot of clutch moments
@saadwani9175 he has but no where near the actual clutchest players of all time. Outside of Cavs runs, he has had a lot of shaky moments in the playoffs. He was actually hooping last year with the Mavs but then played his worst in the finals
Bro whatt 😂 A.I. had great years & games after with no team success my guy u can’t fault a player for not have great support throughout career He got 55pts game 03 playoffs bro stop
@@GodSon91 I'm addressing what this guy kept referring to. The 01 playoffs and taking a game off the Lakers. That was almost the basis for his entire argument lol
23:50 Swipa sounding like he’s getting PTSD from being in Denver watching AI 😂
😂
A.I. 4x Scoring Champ
3x Steals Champ
Bro out here praising Eric Snow lol
bro got outplayed by ray allen, reggie miller and vince carter in that 01 playoff run
That 01 team defense might be the most under appreciated team in sports
@@playoffp2024 but his stans will tell you his team was awful. they had the 6moty, dpoy, and coach of the year on the team. AI vs the bucks had a three game stretch shooting 5/26, 10/32, then 5/27 (bro shot 5/27 and they still won) so obviously the team couldnt have been that bad. oh and ik the refs helped them win the series too
@@bmorejunior That series is notorious for being rigged, Stern wanted the MVP to go to the Finals
No “he” didn’t. They were better teams period. Iverson played with nobody. Teams had two stars sometimes 3 on their teams, AI was alone
U literally are talking out your ass 😂 all 3 of them had way better offensive talent around them. Name one player Ai had too take defensive pressure off him. And he avg 35 for the whole playoff run.
21:12 Marz the greatest of all time 👏🏾💯
@@Flight31White the dumbest
@@Creamcity414how is he the dumbest? He broke down all of his points it’s not his fault that you or anyone else can’t comprehend what he said.
@@Flight31White he broke down what ? That he watched him in 2001 no highlights ? That the defense was more physical ? That he had 4 scoring titles with hand checking ? Shut up little clown 🤡
@@Flight31White you children need to get banned from all basketball debates
@@Flight31White picture of curry is an L loser
Harden clears AI. What are doing here Players Choice….
Na you didn't see Iverson play
ai way better he played in the deadball era and average 33 and brung a team to the finals carrying all of the offensive load harden is a pick n roll merchant how is harden better?
@@LilShiro05also a foul baiter lmao
@@LilShiro05harden literally manipulated foul calls to score lmao Iverson was really getting fouled
Hell nah 🤡 AI clears harden easy work
Shouldn’t even entertain an Ai and Kobe conversation…
@@thatkiddshoun4467 🤡 96-2002 AI was the best or Shaq you didn’t see it so be quiet
@@Creamcity414what year were you born?
@@Creamcity414 what is ai better than Kobe at on a basketball court?
@@thatkiddshoun4467scoring passing and steals
@@The4ceMan no, no, and he’s better at steals but overall defensively it’s not close
The issue with AI was he was kind of inefficient for his situation.
AI does have the finals appearance, but if Harden played in a conference that was the same as the early 2000’s East, he could’ve also made a final as a team’s best player.
The 76ers was the best team in the east and AI was the best player in the east. So he really shouldn’t get that much credit. I say his game 1 performance was amazing but that’s about it
@@fortynights1513 inefficiency back then was t a big deal to players because they played the game differently I was there for most of these eras.
With snow mckie lynch hill mutombo?
@@Creamcity414Iverson was inefficient FOR HIS ERA. Meaning compared to his peers, his opponents he was inefficient. League Average in Scoring Efficiency back then was 51% - 52%, Iverson was at 49% - 51%
Allen iverson was the offense on his team and it was the early 2000s of course. as soon as he teamed up with melo his numbers were in the mid 40s where they should have been for his Gen.
My only problem with the efficiency argument is that Chuck played in era where if you was the best player nobody gave a fuck how many shoots you took.. It’s also not easy to put up 30 shots in a pro game.. All the efficiency shit wasn’t really a big ass deal when some of the top scorers was 38% from the field today you lose minutes for that
My G, sincerely thank you. part of the reason people loved and hated Kobe was for the fact, it don't matter if its 3 sets of hands in his face, you knew Kobe COULD make it so people didn't trip. the efficiency argument only really became a thing in today's version of the game and due to how the style of the game/players have changed. that's why, though I don't like when people use it to just dismiss arguments, it really helps for you to have been there and physically saw them play and/or heard the conversations that took place around that time. that's exactly why you can make the argument of Tim Duncan being better than Kobe now but couldn't do so fr from like 03-10'
@@rodericbyrd945 unfortunately Kobe legacy is unfairly graded.. In one of his last interviews he said if he knew he would be judged the way the judged the game now would have done things differently but I grew up on late 90s 2000s basketball that’s the game I loved and that game is gone
Iverson has 4 scoring titles
A.I GOT 4 SCORING TITLES...HARDEN GOT 3. Ai smallest number 1 pick, smallest mvp and smallest scoring champ
Allen Iverson is my favorite player of all time but the Harden vs. AI debate is closer than ppl think.
Ai has the same amount as KD and got more Scoring titles than Kobe too. What does that mean
Is this supposed to move me?
In 7 Finals appearances Kobe shot under 40% for the series twice and shot 41% from the field and 31% from 3 in the Finals...just saying. Excuses are made for players people love!!!
FG% has NOTHING to do with efficiency. Bryant's True Shooting Percentage across those 7 Finals was actually +0.2% against the defensive opponent, positive scoring efficiency.
2001 Sixers: Top 5 Defense, 2002 Nets: no. 1 Defense, 2004 Pistons: no. 2 Defense, 2008 Celtics: no. 1 ranked Defense, 2009 Magic: no. 1 ranked Defense. 2010 Celtics: Top 5 Defense.
Exactly way to disregard context and Kobe played in the slowest era when scoring was down plus the true comparsion would be how well did Ko be did against those teams compared to other teams number one options who played those same teams
@@remmy1082 Iverson was inefficient relative to his own era, when you account for league environment at the time and Defenses he faced, Iverson was STILL inefficient relative to his competition.
I hate when people try to bring up Percentages in order to discredit someone…..Who the fuck else was gonna shoot the ball if not Kobe? I know what I saw when I was watching the game!!! I can give two shits about a player who doesn’t really shoot the ball in order to protect his Field goal Percentage
@@1538superman shaq?
Marz did tell him it would be hypocritical. And it was indeed hypocritical.
I mean we keep talking better scorer but AI is top 5-6 in scoring average for career
Harden clears him so bad
No cause Ai is great off ball just as much as on ball harden gotta keep the rock the whole game that makes his teams gameplan more predictable and stagnant AI is better but not by much James went on a legendary run also man this is basically # 4 and 5 SG’s on the all time list
AI has proven to be more impactful than Harden and is obviously the greater player
@@keonhendrickson638 according to what? Harden has better seasons got out the 2nd round more led better teams etc
nathan
ai played in the toughest scoring era and he still averaged 33
All-NBA Teams (Total Selections)
James Harden 7
Allen Iverson 7
Scoring Leader
James Harden 3
Allen Iverson 4
Assists Leader
James Harden 2
Allen Iverson 0
Steals Leader
James Harden 0
Allen Iverson 3
Rookie of The Year
James Harden 0
Allen Iverson 1
A.i got 0 assists titles and ROY don't matter lol
Harden lead the league in total steals in 2019-20, and btw you added ROY to help AI agenda LMAOO
@@GXprogameryeah like why he aint add playoff wins or series won 😂😂
Yay, allen iverson was rookie of the year. Harden was sixth man of the year and btw harden is thee only 3x scoring title holder and 2x assist leader holder 😂
Harden vs Ai is one of the most interesting basketball debates ever
its stupid because we are comparing a guy who won 15 playoff series vs the other guy who only won 6 in 14 years LMAO
@@GXprogamerexactly A.I only gets a pass because of 01 which blow me
@@GXprogamerJAMES HARDEN IS NOT BETTER THO, HE JUST HAD A BETTER TEAM
@@rahzikashiharris9539what in the sport is he not better at
@@jjharkins4217 BASKETBALL
Iverson is one of the most God-gifted athletes to ever play any sport. He is one of the greatest athletes of the last 30 years. AI don’t even play anymore and there’s tons of clips of him online at his camps just swishing jumpers without trying.
That thumbnail is tough
Allen Iverson carrying the trash 76ers is the most lying narrative ever said and I’m a huge Iverson fan. Offensively they needed Iverson’s production yes but they were defensively great and that’s how they were able to cover Iverson’s negative defense impact…
iverson negative defensive impact?? lol. chill. leading the league in steals and competing on defense is what he did. not saying he was an elite defender but not as bad as you're making him out to be. and that philly defense was not great.....they were the 5th best defense in the league that year. that aint great bud. Nowadays all yall want all this offensive fire power around the players yall like, but Ai played with no legit offensive weapons. That means no floor spacing and playing against boxes and elbows every damn game. all these greats yall put above iverson played with other HOF players they whole career. leave Ai alone...
@@dlrichardson56 he is still a negative defender overall, having to gamble for steals and not being consistent were his flaws defensively as well as being small
@@MOCskoden interesting.....are familiar with what phil jackson had to say about kobe's defense?? do you know what kobe's defensive numbers say about him?? since we are talking about being in the negative, i think you should research some of what i asked in regards to kobe's defensive ratings and phil's comments on kobe. I think you'll be suprised. either way....iverson was not a great defender by any means but he competed on defense and gambling for steals isn't always good but when you are actually coming up with more steals than anybody thus creating more possessions for you're team that is a positive. some of us are better at gambling than others.
@@MOCskoden just for shits and giggles.... kobe defensive box + - is -0.1. talk about negative lol
@@dlrichardson56 iverson def tried on defense but he was still an issue for the teams defensive bleeding value… not like Muggsy or Boston IT terrible like
Did Allen Iverson not have multiple 50-point playoff scoring games?
The Bubba Chuck bashing is at an all time high
Deservedly So…
@@KByrd80AI is a legend he birthed your favorite point guard today probably 😂😂
This generation I really don’t get why they hate the greats 😂
@@GodSon91it has to makes sense people will prop iverson but disrespect Clyde like he wasn’t a better player then iverson as well
The people commenting have to be 16 and under saying harden over AI aka pound for pound the toughest player ever. Also check scoring averages. AI came out the gate LIKE THAT
There's a difference between better for his height vs better overall. That being said AI performed much better in playoffs and he would obviously would average more today than in the 2000's
That 2001 sixers was defense and Allen Iverson scoring only DikembeMutumbo was their rim protector
Too bad motumbo couldnt stop shaq
Why bruh yelling ?
They were all yelling nonstop the whole episode. I recommend watching the whole thing
Iverson was thee single defensive focal point for every team's defensive strategy, night in, & night out.
You can’t talk about AI with certain people without them getting emotional. Nostalgia is the strongest drug in the world.
Efficiency. End of discussion
@@Lexio3031 dumb ! Efficiency back then was t a huge problem you didn’t watch back then. The defense didn’t allow guards that type of play. It also was mono e mono just ball hog and score.
Efficiency is gonna look better because 1 guy took 12 threes a game
@@Creamcity414 and he was inefficient in those mono e manos for a career. Both have an MVP, both are volume scorers, so what’s the separator besides efficiency?
Efficiency is overrated and misleading
@@Lexio3031 yeah and it didn’t matter back then lmaooo especially with guards
I don’t know why we’re talking about Denver AI. AI famously never slept, played in the most physical era of basketball, and played a style that was physically taxing at 6’0”, 175lbs. He was a supernova that burned bright and burnt out in 10 years. He kept putting up numbers cause he was a high volume shooter. That’s all he knew. That’s how he had success. They enabled and encouraged him to play that style in Philly. The MVP and finals year validated him. So for the rest of his career, you couldn’t tell him shit. He never adapted.
If I had to pick, which one I rather guard, I would rather guard harden, I would burn more energy guarding AI
You gonna have to start guarding harden with your hands tied behind your back lol , best foul drawer we’ve seen
@@playoffp2024 that’s fine, guarding AI in his prime, I would be exhausted and with these new rules, you couldn’t touch him
Lol don't bring yourself into this because Harden would tower over you, unless you're 6'6 idk
@@user-gc2ln8fy1f this has more to do with, who’s harder to guard, if you can’t block a shot, you can’t, having to guard someone like AI is exhausting, I will exhort more effort guarding AI
Well James harden in 2019 averaged 16 isolation possessions per game which is UNHEARD of, while leading the league in iso efficiency. So he’s definitely going to make you work a ton on defense too. I get Iverson is quicker, but harden also has like 50 pounds on him which would probably even that out in terms of exhaustion
These James Harden lifers NEVER talk about anything outside of those 2 seasons in Houston.
How can you ever as a basketball fan or historian bash AI for playoff shortcomings but be mute about Harden in Philly, Houston, and LA?
That 2019-20 season was pretty bad he was avging more points fron free throws than actual fgs 😖 in some games
If James played in the early 2000s I think you would have been still good at elite. But he wouldn't be able to get to his spots like he normally does because the floor shrinks and he also would get guarded by the best defenders of all time during that period. Allen Iverson was pound for pound tougher got to his spots quicker and more effectively. Allen Iverson had the ball on a string. Nobody was catching that guy unless you were shaq or Tim Duncan somebody knocking him down. 8 hours a better mid-range shooter James harden is a better three ball. But pound-for-pound Allen Iverson is overall better and more effective at overall winning speaking for peak
What’s different between manu arenas and pierce from harden he literally molded his game after them 3 big guard slow pace get to his spots
Misconception harden is 6’5 stocky guard at his peak in Houston bigger than most in 2000s with a better 3point shot and playmaking. Kobe and iverson got to the line 9x a game. It would be the same for harden he wouldn’t need to flop because he’d actually get fouled and calls like those guys did 😂
@@curtiszyr not saying he can't. Just not like he can today in this cupcake era. 🙃🫣 They'd eat hardens lunch for dinner back than 🤣
People talk so negatively about the 76ers teammates but that’s probably the best situation for AI where the opportunity cost of his shots are low and he can be an offensive floor raiser
Ron might be slow ngl
Might?
This is peak Players Choice, Jordan has been the best addition since Swipa imo
Nobody here is recognizing AI’s real game. He lead the league in steals 3x and made more defensive teams that Harden. In fact, Harden was a laughingstock on defense in his prime. The two don’t even compare when you look at defense
Iverson was a horrible defender. Stop looking at stats
Steals don’t really tell the whole story. AI was never known as an elite defender.
Getting passing lanes steals doesn’t make a u good defender bcuz I could’ve sworn harden lead the league in steals 1 time and deflections a couple
There’s a difference between playing bad and not showing up. Ai played bad and even then there is some context being left out for that such as bad spacing and bad coaching. James Harden at times completely vanished and seemed disinterested.
Y’all still up here disrespecting A.i one min it’s Manu better now Harden 😂😂 A.i would average 40 today
Yea this is a narrative based show zero facts 😂😂
They up here caping for a choke artist saying he’s better then a guy who carried a team with no spacing and no other real scoring option on his roster also played 40 mins a night in a way tougher era like he was fucking Superman
That's cap. The East was weak as shit when AI was playing
@jadenuniverse9541
Allen Iverson didn't carry a team. Most eastern conference teams in the early 2000s in general didn't have great spacing. That 76ers team got to their finals because of their defense. Dikembe mutombo literally won the dpoy that year. And if you want to talk about choking, let's talk about Ai in game 5 of the ecf against the bucks where he scored 15 points on 18% from the field.
@@Christo_Trismegistus every team had one SuperStar in the East but now it’s weak because the East today have multiple stars on one Team that’s logic don’t work g
21:08 LMAOOO why did he say that like Marz wasn’t ready for that
21:13 bro I’ve never seen mars that heated in a debate 😂
Bull said Joel just shoots jump shots get him outta here 😂😂
Iverson in 01 was the best scorer in the league
Wasn't better than shaq at all or kobe
@@yetundeadeyemi2436ai avg more thab shaq and kobe
And 01 was the first season kobe avg 28
The hate is real
Ai was the best scorer in the league in the early 2000s
2003 to 05 tmac, kobe and ai was rivials in terms of scoring.
Im part of the problem,AI has so many positive qualities but it never gets appreciated and instead it turns into bashing his flaws instead of praising him like he deserves. all time great player who deserves his flowers
It's cause his fans overrates him and constantly pushes myths about him because of 1 playoff run.
@strongbone9471 and somehow, apparently, he gets more attention than steph Curry. i dont know how we also got to that point i love Ai but, his fans are just so toxic for no reason.
For sure but his fans make it necessary to point out the glaring efficiency issues and flaws sadly
I hate when ppl just bring up a player "quitting" or "choking" in discussions without context. It got better towards the end when you guys discussed how they performed in their roles, teams, circumstances, and expectations.
For example, Harden being a heavy iso and stepback three shooter will have huge variance, which can explain him scoring 40 one game and 13 the other for example, but how did he impact the game otherwise? Was he creating plays? Was he disciplined and focused on defense? What was his overall impact good or bad?
You don't need numbers/stats, it's all watching the game unfold from ur eyes. I think that's the hooptalk KD means. Whenever ppl bring up a few key terms that will lead to this, I would just pivot or end the convo
Underrated off the ball
Aswell
Iverson cooked kobi in LA WITH SHAQ.THEY ARE GREAT WITH THE GIFTS THEY SHOWED OFF
A.I. over Kobe & Harden is nasty work 😂😂
Definitely over harden
@@GodSon91 AI won only 6 playoff series in his 14 year career LMAOOO harden surpasses him by far
@@GXprogamerHarden has had way better teams of course his record is better
@@shinsukecorbin425 AI had the 6MOTY and DPOY in 2001
And AI also took huge advantage of the refs bailing his team out the East against the Bucks
@@shinsukecorbin425exactly dudes don’t know basketball 😂😂😂😂
Iverson was scoring and assisting and defending and stealing on a very average team.
Y’all delusional asf if u think that Philly team was good 😑
They are were with ai
It was. just ran into shaq
Iverson did what he did undersized with ZERO spaces and a weak whistle .
Harden is all-time scoring machine great (sometime was elite) and he's a very good distributor of the ball. He makes play he makes his teammates better. But in a playoff setting Allen Iverson who played in a tougher ERA with a defense in the spacing was his tight as a noose around anybody's neck what's an existence he averaged damn near 30 plus points a game. And handed the only team which was the best team in the league defensive wise and offensive wise they hear their only loss in the playoffs harden has never done that with any team outside of the 2017-18 warriors which was impressive. You give Allen Iverson the rockets at 2018 and watch them go to the finals. Because in brighter bigger spots for some reason Allen Iverson showed up with less talent Percy James harden who crumbled under pressure with greater talent
Why would Iverson win on those rocket teams? He was never a better scorer than James Harden ever, even when he played with a more offensively capable team on the nuggets.
@@jonathangordon448 he has to go through Kobe and other greats 👀. Just like harden who has the much more humming offense and way more spacing. What TF u think a.i. would do already at 30 to 33 ppg back then in a crowded paint no space either today? 🛑 Harden would average 25 to 28 PPG on 35 percent and 28 percent from 3 worse than ai. cause they would beat him to his spots and he can't get to his putrid step back because defense would swipe that shit every time. So ai didn't need a 3 when he was getting to the mid range and finishing better
Playing in the tougher western conference in a high scoring era>>>>
@@d4ri6iovanna99 with more space 🌌 then anything before 2009 to 2010ish?
@@vincentbyrd5350and saying that harden would shoot worst in A.I era when Harden is known for being efficient is crazy and ignorant😂
Harden clears man come on im getting sick of this “let’s put on for the older era bs” and before you ask me .. no I’m not some 2000s born Gen z and yes I saw Iverson in the early 00s I’m just sick of this older era getting bigged up because they are extremely liked instead of just using facts dudes be in their feelings
Bruh AI single handedly gave the lakers their only loss of the postseason that year the 76ers went to the finals come on this really a convo he can do everything harden can giving up 3 to 4 inches
But Harden does everything better so I'm not sure what your talking about.
James Harden took the KD warriors to 7?
Harden took the golden state warriors to 7 game.
Harden could have gotten a game against that Lakers team. Harden scores, rebounds and passes better than Iverson. Iverson was great but all he has over Harden is his speed
@@HiIamFlashno the rockets did not harden he literally has way worse stats in the playoffs compared to regular season plus hes a turnover merchant
Tbf 2001 AI vs 2001 Kobe is a legit debate. AI won MVP. Prime Kobe in 2006 is a different natter entirely
I’m taking AI over Harden everytime. I would say AI in this era would average about 25-30. I’m not debating on this lol
Ja Morant >>>> AI
On 25 shots too
So he would average less than James harden....
James averaged 36 lol
@@torreanwhite8025 how many bullshit freethrows in that doe? Please 😂
I don’t get this obsession with hypothetical points. It goes beyond this Harden vs. AI convo but it was highlighted here with the “if you put Harden on the ‘01 76ers/how many points would Harden average in the early 2000s”. If the crux of your argument hinges on something that can *literally* never be proven, it’s not a very sound argument.
Still, makes for entertaining content.
Iverson was far too inneficient for me. Harden was doing AI scoring while averaging 8 rebounds and 10 assists on better efficiency.
Got to factor in the era Ai played in and his situation overall , he was literally playing 1 on 5 out there with very little spacing but I think harden is better though.
@@jasonwood8023 efficiency back then wasn’t a big deal but you didn’t know that back then. Had checking also and physicality
Saying Iverson back then would be a better scorer than Harden now is wild
AI had to go against the hand check, barely getting foul calls cause the refs were told to NOT CALL FOULS FOR HIM, being the smallest in the league, Stern purposely not letting the Sixers get help for AI cause of his attitude and AI had a bigger impact on the game than Harden ever will..Put AI in the one on one defense era where he can purposely travel without it getting called he would drop 35 easy
Iverson clears harden this is for clicks
In what
@@TheIcemanthomasin aura , that’s the only thing lmao
@@TheIcemanthomas harden been choking from okc-clippers and it’s niggas really caping for him sad that basketball talk has came to this is harden great yes iverson is a basketball legend harden is not
@@TheIcemanthomasbraids
Harden better than him at everything
AI over harden all day !! James harden has played with more talented than AI and chokes so many times in the playoffs we expect him to choke !
At least harden can make the playoffs consistently and isn’t living off one run that consistently blinds the fact he lost in the first round the next year
This coach ninja don’t know shi.Bring back Ticket I’d rather much have him up here.
Ticket would've agreed with him
You know for a fact ticket thinks AI is 100% better than harden.
I’m pretty sure ticket done had the same take as coach so u just dickriding for no reason
Nah we dont need nomoralsTv back here
It’s crazy that Swipa brought up AI shooting numbers in Denver but didn’t mention a single shooting percentage from when Harden was in Philly. I don’t even care about the ppg, show the shooting percentages and you’ll see they were doing THE SAME EXACT SHXT
Swipa was losing until guy said AI was a better scorer than Kobe.
When the NBA adjusted them rules, Harden scoring was affected. When the NBA adjusted for the crossover, AI was still killing.
Marz a 🤡 AI> Harden
Why?
Give me a reason why ai is better den harden without bringing up 2001
Harden clears him and it really isn't close. Like Swipa said in the video, the best thing AI did was score and he didn't even do that better than James Harden lol. Idk how people can believe that he's better
Why tf did chill bring up Trae young? The way they score isn’t comparable so how is that a good indicator that iverson would be a great scorer?
For me, Iverson is the dog that Harden isn’t. Helping miss 27 straight threes and not making the adjustment to attack the rim is insane. Could have offed the 2018 warriors and solidified his greatness but hey if you want to win in the regular season, choose Harden.
27 THREES IS A TEAM RECORD NOT A PLAYER RECORD, what are you talking about, Chris paul was injured and he was facing the GOAT team, stop this narrative
21:15 the difference between AI’s bad game and Harden’s bad game is Harden quit. AI never quit. 5-27 is not quitting. 2-11 and fouling out is quitting.
Iverson career ppg average is higher than harden and kobe.
Actual fact
This Don’t mean nothing 😂😂
@@maconjr244 It means he scored more points per game. Simple reading comprehension
NOBODY could check AI. This era allows players to use their individual talent to impact the game much more than 20 years ago. Iverson would eat full meals every game in this era with less physicality, less space and a less crowded paint
This like the 4th time i heard an iverson vs harden debate on pc. Love the energy though.
This is the best Iverson debate ever probably one of the best debates ever on this channel
AI would destroy this era. Few PG are defensive minding. Jrue hoilday one of the expections. AI would cook this era bad.
AI wasn’t a lockdown defender either. He would great a pick pocketing and passing lanes but he wasn’t a true shut down
@@austinburwell5834 true 👍🏿 I feel he would adapt just based off mentality that this era don't really have. Taking the extra steps to greatness
There weren’t that many defensive PGs in the 00s either. You had Kidd, declining Glove, and Chauncey became better once AI was far away from his prime
White chocolate, might mouse, Steve franchise, Starbury, Nash, BD, Bibby, AI, Rauf, older Mugs, Darrell Armstrong, Tim Hardaway above 32, there was no defensive PGs back then either. And back then they didn’t switch as much, AI could bully any pg because they ain’t worth their weight in salt, now you got to compete with guys who can switch on to you mid drive?
THE COACH IS LIAR BRO GET HIM OFF THE SHOW
17:43 Marz lying Iverson that year shot 45 % that’s a fact cause he had help look it up don’t listen to the A.I. hater Marz chat 😂😂😂😂😂
we was talkin ab the playoffs hence why he said 'its 4 games' so erm idk maybe listen with your ears
Marz a A.i. hater simple you ain’t great if u don’t have none so it a compliment to the Great A.I. lil bro don’t like no older greats he to young to witness 😂😂
@@GodSon91 changing the subject after being told what u said was wrong. W,im not a hater but it is what it is. yeah i dont like no older greats,totally
I watch this show less because of Swiper
AI a better scorer than Kobe is insane, I can’t take some of ya’ll seriously
Is Jerry west not a SG?
Y’all arguing for nothing AI and Harden have mutual respect for each other . Both top 75
12:31 chill need to chill with that take bro said a dam good team when all teams had to do was stop AI from scoring and thats how they would win....AI had no help at all on offense when every team during that era had a #2 on their teams philly didnt have a # 2 meaning like a #2 scorer
AI was the only offense on that 2001 team that got a game off Kobe and Shaq that mean very little 1v1s most of Hardens points came from foul baiting we see wat happens when that is taken away from him and when his 3point isn’t falling he’s useless in the playoffs I would take AI over Harden but it’s not a wide gap they both have had highs and lows and both are great scorers and ball handlers in any era
This is defo a comment written by a ESPN bot lol
Bro ai and harden isn’t close
The way people shit on that Sixers team is crazy man being an elite defensive team has to mean something. The only reason a AI and pray offense works is because of the defense which is why you saw a lack of success for AI in Denver as well even in a better offensive system
Ai top 5 sg ever but sadly old heads overrate him
On god harden better than d wade and ai
I mean Allen Iverson is a 4x scoring champion.
This shit sound like nobody that played high level ball 😭😭😭😂😂
AI did more with less, can play with the ball or off ball, atleast plays some defense, is elite in steals and didn't burn out and come up short every year in the playoffs.
That’s kinda a nothing point because ai did basically nothing “with less”. 01 east is the worst conference in the history of the nba but sure you can have that point. Harden did so much more consistently and for as much as you guy say he’s a choker, unfortunately him choking is still better then regular playoff ai. Ai was also a terrible defender and came up short in the playoffs every year except 01.
comes up short every year? do you watch basketball? AI came up short MORE