Facts that Dwight Howard one of the greats if I was in Orlando to wherever you got the numbers Duncan championship numbers in Orlando ring in La of course he got hurt you ain't going to be at your peak all the time some people will but that boy still gave his all when he was on that floor whether you like it or not he was one of them
Was Dwight really that good? He was raw and unskilled. Super athletic. But he wasn’t a winner. Couldn’t shoot. Couldn’t dribble. Weaker conference. His back went out before he turned 30. You guys taking five good years and thinking it’s enough to justify an all time career when he didn’t win anything during that time. When he lost some of those pieces around him, his game faltered because he’s not a great basketball player. Who was worried about Dwight after he left Orlando?
And so do u. And so does any fan. And so does any person u don't agree with. I don't care that grown ass men making millions don't like it when they get critiqued so they just sat here and had a cry session about it. U wanna be a superstar player. U want the superstar money. U think you're better than some other superstars then take what comes with that superstar status. They don't want an analyst who never played to critique them but a couch potato watching the game they respect more?? Bullshit they just pissed. Cuz Durant is prime example of a guy who don't mind sitting around yapping back at couch potatoes just for the fuck of it cuz he don't like to be critiqued
Yeah until that "die hard fan" says something he doesn't like then he'll be right back to, "ah ngga you aint never played pro, you don't know shit about basketball" 😂
@@BigDic-qz8suwhat that got to do with being on the 75th team we talking basketball you talking bout who he fucking yall niggas be so closeted it’s not funny
Now I'm not the guy who thinks Bron is the goat. Jordan is the goat to me, but damn McCants Bron and Reggie Miller in the same sentence. No knock to Reggie I like him he was nice but he can't be in the same sentence as Bron
Reggie did it on His own win , lose or draw he didn't go team up With other HOF in There primes over and over again. Yeah Lebron ranks higher then Reggie but far but what Reggie did more respectable he didn't take easy way. Lebron only top 5 player that's has more finals loses then wins
Reggie went at Jordan head on, never jumped ship like LeBron. Of course LeBron is better than Reggie, but to say he can’t be in the same sentence as LeBron is crazy.
At the end of the day Lebron made his own legacy by not staying on a team that couldn’t take care of em , it’s a new era them old days ova with deal with it
@@TTJJCC and it still stands!! The point they are making is… media ppl who never played the game is affecting players legacy !!! They literally are saying the only persons who have valid criticism are players who played!!! So it would be fine for them to bcuz they played the game!!
That airplane analogy Gil gave was spot on. The analysts have the same exact view as the fans. They should not be allowed to vote on anything. The should let veteran players only vote for MVPs, and things of that nature.
It goes both ways. Cuz they don't have a problem when the media votes them to all nba teams, MVPs and hall of fame. If the pilot crashes the plane(the player is a bust) it doesn't matter the hours of flight time you crashed. I get both sides. It just comes off like players and ex players only want compliments and praise when we all know it's different levels of pilots or players.
I think the league should give the players and coaches to vote with media vote as well. Be like coaches 1/4, players 1/4, and the rest can be the media. Then add some general fair play into the mix. That should be the most well balanced way or become agenda vote. That LeBron not being unanimous MVP one was spiteful no matter what. Dwight not winning another as well. The media suddenly become the gatekeepers of the greats. Why the fuck does a player need to be acknowledge by some bums who just don’t want them to replace their favorite player? That just ain’t right.
its one of the most backward things I've seen in our society. There is no other field where ppl who are less than amateurs have such leverage and control over "merit" based accolades and subsequent pay. Its like if my raise and promotion at work (i work in tech) was based on the opinion of a journalist at Tech Crunch
@@enamweaknopahknop9661 Nah they tried that with the all star game and the players didn't take it seriously, they were just voting their friends who had no business being all stars. If anything the players are more bias than the media, they're just entitled prima donnas now. The fact they said the media should only speak if they're praising them is crazy 😂
“sports is the only thing you can not have been a professional but judge someone’s work” false. art critics, movie critics, food critics, etc exist 😂 if you watch/consume something.. you can know whats good or not. you dont have to be a professional at it
Gregg Popovich never played in the NBA. Erik Spoelstra never played. Nuggets coach Mike Malone never played in the NBA. Mike Budenholzer never played. Chris Finch, Tom Thibodeau, Alvin Gentry, Quin Snyder, Nick Nurse never played in the NBA.
@@penkima4923honestly all that shii yall saying sound good but the hof players they had was the ones really getting shii done they just was the face if we being honest Ty lue wasn’t shii but now is regarded a good coach because of bron
Don’t forget Rashad played 4 seasons then fazed out bc his game didn’t match his attitude. And in those 4 years lebron averaged 37 and Kobe averaged 29 against him
These are the same guys who said they could play in the NFL 🤣🤣 and never played but now you don’t want to hear from ‘analysts’ anymore. What a contradiction…
That’s really over simplifying it. How many people have the skill and ability to play in the NBA? Less than 1% of the world’s population. It’s a reason why they get paid millions of dollars. They are the best in the world at what they do.
I hate when athletes feel like they're the only ones that can speak on or have an opinion on them. I'm sure they judge music and they don't sing or rap for real. I'm sure when they say a movie is wack or the actor was terrible, they don't act for real
They only want compliments. Like your girl saying how I look in this dress. If you say you don't like it? What do you know you don't know what it's like. We not blind bruh. Gil had some good years before the dumb gun stuff. Kmart had some good years with Jkidd serving em up and McCants was trash. Stephen A didn't tell me that, I saw it.
bur THEY DONT DECIDE who gets a grammy do they?? They don't decide who goes into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame yah? The point isnt that analysts cant have opinions, its that those opinions have an assinine amount of sway on substantive aspects of a players career
Hmm. They are now part of the sports entertainment media. By their logic, all other sports entertainment media figures are now disallowed from opinions on NBA players, if they haven't been in the league themselves. Most on the Gil's Arena have, so they just elevated themselves above a big portion of their own trade.
But they can they still know the prep work and situations also a deeper knowledge of the game from being out there as competitors you just probably never played and understand the difference from the desk to being on the court thumb guy
Of all sports related podcast/program/analysis I’ve seen, this particular episode is brilliant. That nba players-analysts-audience/pilots-stewardess-passengers analogy was gold. And the die hard fan>sports writers/analysts take was true.
1. That airplane analogy was terrible 2. If you're not cool with politicians telling athletes to "shut up and dribble" you have no business telling analysts that they can't critique athletes. That's a hypocritical outlook 3. Ability to play doesn't equate to an understanding of the game. Some of the best coaches could never lace em up or play between them lines
@@declankirkpatrick2947not about being smarter. It is about literal experience versus just a talking head who just because they have been talking for a long time and watching for a long time somehow thinks they know more than the players.
If you don’t understand you don’t understand your logic here is so flawed here’s the difference you can’t say shut up and dribble when the person who was told That had opened an entire school. Secondly she’s not a politician she’s a news anchor big difference. If anyone of us in the comment section wanted to be a politician we can with no experience I.E Donald Trump. To the people who say “they just be talking” know the difference in when they’re trolling for clicks anytime they have a serious discussion like this one it’s nothing short but informative and objectively the truth
The only real argument they have is D Howard on top 75. That is a crime. But we as fans can see whose good, whose trash, whose clutch, and whose a choke artist. I feel em on the difference of "opinion " and giving *perspective " but cats only want compliments sshh crazy.
One of the better topics from this group I've seen ..very detailed, insight 💯 and articulated very well. No capping, exaggerating, or ego in this take.
This is when athletes piss me off. They think that only professional athletes have the right to critique their performance in a sport. As a fan I'm paying you to entertain me with your ability. When an athlete doesn't perform well for whatever reason, then gets criticized you never hear them talk about giving the fans their money back. You take away the fans in their money and let's see how many athletes love their sport enough to do it for free.
I think you missed what they’re getting at. Fans don’t have the level of detail to understand the nuance of a players career. But fans can influence ASG voting, for example, which can then inform a players salary negotiations. That’s not right. You can have all the opinion you want. But that shouldn’t impact how a player is paid and regarded in his career. Dwight Howard is seen, or will be seen, as less than because media idiots left him off the Top 75 team. That informs Dwight’s resume moving forward and how he can/could be paid.
@@wowsadowsa Anthony Edwards just said that Michael Jordan was the only skilled player in his era, and every player in today's era is comparably skilled to MJ. According to Gil, only analysts who have played in the NBA are allowed to criticize Ant-Man's comment, because they have the "level of detail" to understand "the nuance" of a players career. Truth is, former NBA players have at least as horrendously bad takes on basketball, as analysts who haven't played in the NBA. Don't believe me? Watch one show of Gil's Arena, and there will be one abysmally bad basketball take by a former player, guaranteed.
@@penkima4923 I’m not defending terrible takes from former players; however, there are older players who think the Dream Team could beat the 2012 Supreme Team. You can at least blame a player’s take from their personal opinion, having done the training, studied film (with coaches), and seen generations of professionals via open runs, NBPA meetings etc. How does that compare to Jason Whitlock saying that Jordan is the GOAT because of 6-0? Bayless saying LBJ has no clutch gene? SAS saying that if LBJ loses another Finals, he can’t be the GOAT? And these media members have too much power in that they vote for awards that inform salaries. That means that likability or lack thereof (see Westbrook) by the voting media can inform All-Star, All-NBA, and All-Defensive awards. That is wrong. The media is to blame for LBJ not having a DPOY. LBJ doesn’t have 5 MVPs because of “voter fatigue” despite dominant seasons in 2011 and 2018. These affect LBJ’s standing in the basketball pantheon. And that effect comes from ppl who could a) barely draw or understand a basketball play and b) are subject to 0 accountability for their words or hot takes.
@@penkima4923 I suspect that in his short bball life. Ant ewards has heard that only MJ is relevant in that time period. His comment about Mj being the only skilled player makes sense. unfrotunately
@@eastgate6134 So, because he heard that the other players aren't relevant, they must all be unskilled? No, that doesn't make sense. Would like to know who said to Ant-Man that every player in the 90's are irrelevant. Is the We done with the 90's movement about this idea? If it's only the 90's, which is called the Jordan era, because he won his chips then - Hakeem won two rings, Duncan and the early Spurs dynasty won one ring, and Zeke's Pistons won one ring. MJ faced Magic Johnson, James Worthy, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Charles Barkley, Gary Payton and Clyde Drexler in the finals alone. Ant-Man is supposed to possibly be the modern MJ, and he hasn't seen any of MJ's final runs? And that's just MJ in the 90's. Still no, doesn't make sense at all.
and THIS is why Gil's Arena is the best podcast. ZERO filter and more importantly; opinions are from the men and women thats played the game. to make it better, anybody can get whats been said.
These niggas have no rings they don’t know championship ball Gil same nigga who rather take more money then rings all that money he got nigga still working every day mmmm wonder why
When it comes to LeBron for every Stephen A and Skip you have a Nick Wright who's signed with klutch and a Shannon Sharpe talking down on Michael and Kobe
And you think that isn't the same vice versa? You are living in this fantasy world where it's one-sided and I regret to inform you it isn't. And if you believe it is you're being incredibly naïve. Stephen a Smith quite literally announce his texts he gets from Jordan on live television lol
@@corpyhogan4433 Any reasonable person would see that's the point that I was making that it's vice versa must be a Bronsexual to not be able to see that and get in your feelings
How about Stephen A Smith, Skip Bayless and other media pundits who have Jordan as the goat. Are they all under Jordan pay role is Jordan paying them to say that?
You wanna have an opinion so bad bruh. Stop. You’re not that important. Listen to what they’re saying and stop talking. God gave you 2 ears and 1 mouth for a reason. Stop talking and listen boy
Because people don’t follow a rubric, they just pick their favorite player based on their opinion. It’s kids that never saw Jordan play but call him the goat because their dad hates lebron😂😂 the goat should be subjective based on stats, you can’t win a ring by yourself and you can’t use that guideline and not make the person with the most rings the goat.
“You’ve never done so you should have nothing but praise for them” is unrealistic af. You can acknowledge what it takes for someone to get to where they are and still have your thoughts about how they’re performing the tasks lol. This convo should’ve been about how to have a less than favorable opinion without needing to be cathartic all the time.
So… You all, ATHLETES… Loved and needed the media to create your storylines to BUILD your legacy, to get you to the pros, to get you more marketing…. But when it’s something you don’t LIKE 😂😂😂 now everyone needs to shut up because we didn’t play PRO. Okay… Well, how about y’all go back to shutting up and dribbling? Because NONE of y’all are politicians. Academics would show y’all are FAR from even the worst politicians…… 😂😂😂 Y’all some divas.
Without the media fans an networks they would be the WNBA they headed there anyway cause anyone who would waste 2hrs to watch divas play sports and not chasing your own bag is ridiculous the king era the worst era of basketball who hurt these men lmao
This is the worst narrative. So if you have never been in politics, you can't discuss if a politician is good or terrible? These athletes just stroking each other is not the way
Thank you I was just about to comment about this they argue with each other all the time and they all have been wrong before even tho they played in the league
@@MLC719 It would be convenient for them, if only former NBA players were allowed to call them out for their horrendously bad takes. That's the position most politicians are trying to get into.
Every popular profession has professional pundits who critique it/judge it. It is valid to question who gets to critique it but different NBA players also have different opinions. There’s also coaches who never played who probably have valid opinions on the NBA as well.
I get what Gil was trying to do with the airplane metaphor but that doesn’t work because flying a plane isn’t something that everyone can do you have to go through a lot to get a flying license I don’t need any special documentation to play basketball and all the information is readily available to me if I research it and study flight school is way more complex than basketball, don’t mean to take his analogy literally but I know he could’ve made a better analogy than using a pilot on a plane cause that profession and a basketball profession just doesn’t go together 😂
Getting millions to literally play game vs getting thousands to keep people safe there's no comparison. F'n right they're gonna dissect every little thing.
I understand what Gil is saying but when you have someone like McCants who was a player that basically doesn't respect LeBrons game who is arguably the greatest of all time, that destroys your argument about fans and media not being able to have an opinion because players have shown they can have just as terrible takes if not worse takes than fans and media. Kendrick Perkins, Ryan Rollins, Paul Pierce, even Gil himself and some of his taken on Hakeem and Giannis are prime examples. If we can only talk about things we've done professionally, most of us should have less than nothing to talk about.
@@sakaga6444😂 how did he save his legacy? Wade and Kyrie saved James legacy if you make a ridiculous claim like that. Obvious Scottie is hating and tried to do a tour about it that flopped with former teammates who even said Jordan is the GOAT. True Goats don’t get outplayed by a 6th man in the finals.
I mean there's a lot of things where someone isn't actually a professional in the profession but is a professional critiquer or analyzer of it. From movies, food, books heck if you do a bad enough job they'll put you in front of a judge and have a bunch of joe blows take away your ability to continue in that profession. I'm not really against that point though. But to me some of what they said here is just playing in people face. You have more regard for a die hard fan than an analyst. The latter is actually trying to watch as many games as possible and look up the history and learn the technical language of the game but you pass them up for the former. Not only that you said they have the same view so at any point both opinions can easily be dismissed as you didn't play the game. I think it's really analyst have a lot of say and players are against that but lets be honest players when it comes to voting be on some bs. Vote their friends or teammates some players barely watch other games as well. This also is coming from a man like Gil who I barely ever hear give Wilt Chamberlain any credit and there's factual stories of Wilt playing with college players against NBA players in pickup games and giving them buckets and blocks and winning the games. Unlike some ppl I dont just swallow whatever yall say just cause yall said it.
If a player gets up and declares "That's when I knew I was the greatest of all time" in a barbershop show (placing himself above all other players legacies), he invited everyones critique and should just accept it... also having a mob of Klutch Sports analysts and ex teammates and paid peers (like coaches for their kid) pushing his legacy down our throat. he should accept legacy critique.... ultimately the fans should decide.
This show was another MASTERPIECE. You COVERED so much GROUND on a very IMPORTANT CONCEPT. How regular people listen to ANALYST who are regular people & NEWSCASTERS who are regular people. The only PROFESSIONALS/EXPERTS are the PLAYERS, the CAMERAMAN & maybe the REFEREES.... Awesome information, guys...
This is an incredibly weak argument. I’ll counter using the analogy given. The flight attendant is incapable of doing the job of the pilot. We all can agree to that. However, someone that has been a flight attendant for 10 years and has been a crew member of hundreds to thousands of pilots can absolutely make an assessment of one pilot in comparison to the others.
I understand part of their argument but it’s not completely valid. Most people have played basketball so if you understand where your skill level is… you can make a judgement on someone else’s. The taller you are the less skill and brain you need.. so many of them are complacent because they are 6’10
Jordan did 1 thing, Doug Collins tried to make him be more like Magic but Phil wanted Everyone to be hit the open man. That was the only time jordan was trying to be more that just a scorer. Wilt hold 72 records for a reason.
They have a perfect point tho and mark Cuban pointed this out in 2011 after the finals it’s nothing wrong with certain media and sports shows and opinions but a lot of the time now they speak as if they words hold true weight and they absolutely do not
And that’s exactly the way this era and every era after this needs to be. A lot of fans and the broadcasters need to know their place. Your patronage and viewership is all that’s needed. Your opinions, not so much…
@@1anth "A lot of fans and the broadcasters need to know their place." K-Mart said all sports entertainment figures, who haven't played in the NBA. Some of them are formally educated journalists, while some are not. They shouldn't be clumped together. "Your opinions, not so much…" Real journalists or professional analysts make far better basketball analysis than K-Mart or Gil, and some sports entertainers do as well. Former NBA players' opinions are welcome, but what they are trying to do is make more comprehensive analysis of different facets of the game, and usually fail at it. K-Mart has some vague idea of what was going on on the court when he played in the 00's, but he obviously haven't been watching the NBA very intently for at least a decade. And neither K-Mart nor Gil don't have the slightest idea of the most basic basketball stats.
@@deshaunblocker1323 "They have a perfect point tho and mark Cuban pointed this out in 2011 after the finals it’s nothing wrong with certain media and sports shows and opinions but a lot of the time now they speak as if they words hold true weight and they absolutely do not" Interestingly, Mark Cuban visited Skip Bayless' show, and corrected many of Skip's basketball misconceptions. And Cuban has never played basketball. Nearly none of former basketball players are able to argue as successfully with people like Skip, and so confidently correct him. Because former basketball are all talented in playing basketball, but chances are that nearly none of them are talented in analysis. Don't believe me? Watch one show of Gil's Arena, and there's a guaranteed at least one horrendously bad basketball analysis by a former player.
Strange analogy with the pilots and stewardess. The NFL, NBA, and MLB would not exist to where it is now without the broadcaster/analyst. The old newspaper columnists and current 24 hour sports radio and TV helped to grow the games to the point where Gilbert and KMart can make $100M plus over their careers. Without them, the NBA, NFL and MLB would be like other lesser known paid sports in America.
That was what the technology consisted of at the time and at least in the print they had to be factually accurate not opinionated views on games they have no ability to play not even recreationally
While a nba player's opinion should be held to a higher regard, that doesn't mean non-nba player's opinions should be dismissed. There are many spectators that watch film and study the game just as much if not more than nba players. Also nba player's opinions can be biased at times due to pettiness/ego and for the sake of protecting their own legacy.
So why you in the media? What validates you to be an analyst did you do to them schools to learn that? Just cuz you didn’t do some to the highest degree doesn’t invaldate you from having a view, critique or w.e 🤦🏽♂️
According to this logic, if you get served raw food at a restaurant you aren’t allowed to criticize the chef because you have never been a chef before. This is such a dumbass argument
BUT ONE THING WE KNOW GILBERT WILL CRITICIZE EVERYBODY EXCEPT STEPHEN A SMITH.... EVERYTIME KENYON MENTION STEPHEN A NAME ON THE SHOW WHICH WAS 3 TIMES, GILBERT WONT ENGAGE IN THE CONVERSATION
No matter how much we hate Jason Whitlock , when he exposed Stephen a Smith with facts about his college career, Gilbert made a whole 2 hour podcast about Stephen a Smith calling Whitlock names. Never not once did Gilbert address the facts Whitlock had
Stephen A only failure as an analyst is going along the hate culture with Skiup. Shoulda draw the line and said nope, we are appreciating not hating, but that green paper is just too good for him to say no. From time to time, Stephen A say good stuff, but when JJ Redick sit opposite to him in basketball related stuff, oh boy, he look retarded sometime borderline goofy. It’s first time I thought that must be how every player thought if we really talk basketball with them. I thought I love basketball, but only diehard and those guys who were they can relate.
And that’s the problem that’s what he talking about every man and every woman entitled to their opinion rather they right or wrong I get it you want to haters that do not have a clue
And that’s the problem that’s what he talking about every man and every woman entitled to their opinion rather they right or wrong I get it you want to haters that do not have a clue
What CEO/Owner of an airline flies the plane? The owner is sitting where the customers are as well. The air traffic controller are the coaches. No one is more important than the NBA player of any organization. We can name 30 NBA players before we can name 30 owners.
I’ve never seen a team owner step onto the court or field themselves. NBA players to pilots: just as pilots learn to fly and provide a service for their passengers, NBA players train and perform to entertain their fans. Meanwhile, the analysts and are like the flight crew ensuring everything runs smoothly supporting both the players and the fans in their shared experience.
If athletes didn’t have media or fans there would be no professional sports tf everybody and everything gets criticized and wtf are y’all talking about?
Thank you for showing love and respect to Dwight Howard!!! We owe these Men way more respect than they get! Thank you guys for honoring your fellow ball players and professional athletes ❤
Like when every knucklehead calls LeBron a bum from their couches, while everybody who's ever played with or against him calls him either thee or one of the greatest.
What are you yapping about? Name one. The # of former NBA players that even HAVE full time jobs in the national al media outlets like ESPN are minuscule. Theres the ones we know like KPerk etc and the ones on the Run It Back(?) show w Lou Will and them...paul pierce, KG.. Theres not many. Name who lost their job? The fact is they critique when theres stuff to critique and the sensible ones know that theres nor much to critique.
Nope because calling for screens to get the weaker defender on you the bulldozing in the paint and if I contest your shot it’s a foul on me isn’t impressive 🥱
@@Dipset415 you don’t luv hoops u enjoy trolling in the comment section be LeBron is better than your childhood basketball hero that’s why y’all have to concoct pinky n the lame brain type logic to hate. Using ur irrational pin head logic Kobe’s 81 point game was really only 38 cause he primarily came off picks and scored on arthritic Jalen Rose. 🤷🏾♂️
So in Kenyon's analogy, citizens of America or in whatever democracy, cannot criticize Officials, Politicians, Presidents, Mayors, Police Officers etc... because we have never been those in our lives...
Dang Gil, would like y’all to do a play by play breakdown of games. Explain why a player did something because as a fan sometime I don’t see what that player saw or knew. It would be awesome to have commentators do that during the game. Let one station do the game and then do a TH-cam or something where the plays are broke down, explain what the scouting report said and such. Kenyans break down of Duncan was nice, do that for other players. Either way keep up the good work.
1:39 see I can’t agree with this I understand if he say they shouldn’t be over critical but to say you have to pause then just because? Nah I’m not a chef but i know what I like to eat people that do music know if they like a as song or not
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Dwight Howard's omission from the nba top 75 is a legitimate crime against humanity
The fact that Dame made it over him is just crazy.
Facts that Dwight Howard one of the greats if I was in Orlando to wherever you got the numbers Duncan championship numbers in Orlando ring in La of course he got hurt you ain't going to be at your peak all the time some people will but that boy still gave his all when he was on that floor whether you like it or not he was one of them
That’s cuz he to freaky
Was Dwight really that good? He was raw and unskilled. Super athletic. But he wasn’t a winner. Couldn’t shoot. Couldn’t dribble. Weaker conference. His back went out before he turned 30. You guys taking five good years and thinking it’s enough to justify an all time career when he didn’t win anything during that time.
When he lost some of those pieces around him, his game faltered because he’s not a great basketball player.
Who was worried about Dwight after he left Orlando?
@@chriskeetley7146 "Mr. Kitty" agrees w/u 🤣
“At this point to be honest I trust a die hard fan over an analyst” Gil was speaking nothing but the truth here some analyst be speaking some B.S
And so do u. And so does any fan. And so does any person u don't agree with. I don't care that grown ass men making millions don't like it when they get critiqued so they just sat here and had a cry session about it. U wanna be a superstar player. U want the superstar money. U think you're better than some other superstars then take what comes with that superstar status. They don't want an analyst who never played to critique them but a couch potato watching the game they respect more?? Bullshit they just pissed. Cuz Durant is prime example of a guy who don't mind sitting around yapping back at couch potatoes just for the fuck of it cuz he don't like to be critiqued
Yeah until that "die hard fan" says something he doesn't like then he'll be right back to, "ah ngga you aint never played pro, you don't know shit about basketball" 😂
Straight up 💯
So do some athletes. They b capping for each other. Really would know how cats feel if we was behind closed doors
Biased BS most of the time
Don’t forget Lebron averaged 37 PPG against McCants
Love you keep writing this❗️🫡🤣🤭
Gotta always humble him 🫡
😂😂😂 never!
🤣🤣🤣 I see this message every time I watch a clip! Lmfao and he be talking big shit like he going HOF???!
They didn't play the same position
Dwight Howard should have been on the 75th Anniversary team
He be having Diddy style freak offs to
@@BigDic-qz8suwhat that got to do with being on the 75th team we talking basketball you talking bout who he fucking yall niggas be so closeted it’s not funny
No🤷🏿♂️
Yes 🤷♂️
Howard and Bosh most definitely
Now I'm not the guy who thinks Bron is the goat. Jordan is the goat to me, but damn McCants Bron and Reggie Miller in the same sentence. No knock to Reggie I like him he was nice but he can't be in the same sentence as Bron
Reggie did it on
His own win , lose or draw he didn't go team up
With other HOF in
There primes over and over again. Yeah Lebron ranks higher then Reggie but far but what Reggie did more respectable he didn't take easy way. Lebron only top 5 player that's has more finals loses then wins
Reggie went at Jordan head on, never jumped ship like LeBron. Of course LeBron is better than Reggie, but to say he can’t be in the same sentence as LeBron is crazy.
bron is goat
At the end of the day Lebron made his own legacy by not staying on a team that couldn’t take care of em , it’s a new era them old days ova with deal with it
Factd
The irony is a lot of these former players on here talk down on the legacy of older players before them.
You obviously missed the point !! They played the game!!! They should!!
@@gking7058 U obviously missed the point. I'm taking about players whose careers took place before them. Like players in the 90s, 80s, 70s, etc.
@@TTJJCC and it still stands!! The point they are making is… media ppl who never played the game is affecting players legacy !!!
They literally are saying the only persons who have valid criticism are players who played!!! So it would be fine for them to bcuz they played the game!!
@@gking7058 Some of these former players have the same slanted biases just as the old media.
@@gking7058makes zero sense
People criticize works that they never participated in
Example music art architecture science plumbing electronics etc
That airplane analogy Gil gave was spot on. The analysts have the same exact view as the fans. They should not be allowed to vote on anything. The should let veteran players only vote for MVPs, and things of that nature.
It goes both ways. Cuz they don't have a problem when the media votes them to all nba teams, MVPs and hall of fame. If the pilot crashes the plane(the player is a bust) it doesn't matter the hours of flight time you crashed. I get both sides. It just comes off like players and ex players only want compliments and praise when we all know it's different levels of pilots or players.
I think the league should give the players and coaches to vote with media vote as well. Be like coaches 1/4, players 1/4, and the rest can be the media. Then add some general fair play into the mix. That should be the most well balanced way or become agenda vote.
That LeBron not being unanimous MVP one was spiteful no matter what. Dwight not winning another as well.
The media suddenly become the gatekeepers of the greats. Why the fuck does a player need to be acknowledge by some bums who just don’t want them to replace their favorite player? That just ain’t right.
its one of the most backward things I've seen in our society. There is no other field where ppl who are less than amateurs have such leverage and control over "merit" based accolades and subsequent pay. Its like if my raise and promotion at work (i work in tech) was based on the opinion of a journalist at Tech Crunch
Always believed this. All star, all nba, even team USA. If it can’t be played on the court let the people with the actual credentials vote
@@enamweaknopahknop9661 Nah they tried that with the all star game and the players didn't take it seriously, they were just voting their friends who had no business being all stars. If anything the players are more bias than the media, they're just entitled prima donnas now. The fact they said the media should only speak if they're praising them is crazy 😂
“sports is the only thing you can not have been a professional but judge someone’s work” false.
art critics, movie critics, food critics, etc exist 😂 if you watch/consume something.. you can know whats good or not. you dont have to be a professional at it
Athletes aren’t too smart that’s why they get robbed so much. Easier licks
Exactly. These mfs think they rocket scientists. It's only basketball!!! It's a gotdamn game that kids play. These mfs are crazy lmaooooo
Agreed but the they don't analyse the game they psycho analyze the PERSON. Therefore opinion invalid
@@eastgate6134definitely
they act like the game of basketball is some sort of rocket science or hard to understand. it’s just a damn ball where you put it inside a damn net.
Some of the best minds in basketball never actually played professionally…
That part😭
Gregg Popovich never played in the NBA.
Erik Spoelstra never played.
Nuggets coach Mike Malone never played in the NBA.
Mike Budenholzer never played.
Chris Finch,
Tom Thibodeau,
Alvin Gentry,
Quin Snyder,
Nick Nurse never played in the NBA.
@@penkima4923honestly all that shii yall saying sound good but the hof players they had was the ones really getting shii done they just was the face if we being honest Ty lue wasn’t shii but now is regarded a good coach because of bron
@@Lootchaserjayyea plus you don’t know if anyone was the coach with them same players on them teams they would have success
@@penkima4923they all watched the game tho. They studied the game to become coaches. They in the nba. That’s different from them analyst
This might be one of the best takes I've heard from Gil. Damn this was good
No it wasn't
@@denk664how
@@denk664how
Don’t forget Rashad played 4 seasons then fazed out bc his game didn’t match his attitude. And in those 4 years lebron averaged 37 and Kobe averaged 29 against him
Never forget! Mc-Can’ts play basketball on high NBA level
We never knew in the first place. He’s more popular as a pundit than a player 🤷🏽♂️
Gil only had 4 good seasons was
@@BigDic-qz8sugill got hurt if he didn’t he might be a hall of famer he was definitely like that
@@roddyb5310 debatable
These are the same guys who said they could play in the NFL 🤣🤣 and never played but now you don’t want to hear from ‘analysts’ anymore. What a contradiction…
THANK YOU!!
NFL players do the same shii as they should guys like skip been ruining legacies forever
The edits is so smooth, loved it!
People judge and critique ACTORS/POLICEMEN AND SO ON WHO ARE NOT IN THE SAME LINE OF WORK WHAT MAKES ATHLETES DIFFERENT
That's wrong too 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@williamgrierson4133 it's a OPINION it's never wrong it's just someone opinions
@@704jizzle2opinions can be wrong
That’s really over simplifying it. How many people have the skill and ability to play in the NBA? Less than 1% of the world’s population. It’s a reason why they get paid millions of dollars. They are the best in the world at what they do.
There arrogant 💯like bra yall play a child’s game for a living you were just blessed with certain attributes to make it pro like gtfoh😭
I hate when athletes feel like they're the only ones that can speak on or have an opinion on them. I'm sure they judge music and they don't sing or rap for real. I'm sure when they say a movie is wack or the actor was terrible, they don't act for real
@@ydubbs8148 you clearly are an idiot. He is saying if you didn't play it shouldn't trump actual ppl who played
Not even close to what he's saying dummy. These athletes don't vote on who gets awards, money, contracts, etc. Listen up lil Breh 😅
They only want compliments. Like your girl saying how I look in this dress. If you say you don't like it? What do you know you don't know what it's like. We not blind bruh. Gil had some good years before the dumb gun stuff. Kmart had some good years with Jkidd serving em up and McCants was trash. Stephen A didn't tell me that, I saw it.
bur THEY DONT DECIDE who gets a grammy do they?? They don't decide who goes into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame yah? The point isnt that analysts cant have opinions, its that those opinions have an assinine amount of sway on substantive aspects of a players career
Exactly we have to remember that MOST were not the studious, you play a game, albeit at a high level perspective can be skewed .
I didnt see the vision with this airplane metaphor. glad I saw it through 😂
i was about to say the same thing. This was a horrendous metaphor.
Typical Gilbert arenas take LOL made no sense 😭😭😭
The pilot metaphor is an over reach.
It honestly made sense
Me too 🤣 I’m was a sneeze away from calling it a buns analogy.
Bro they goofy as shit. Without the passengers the pilot has no job
Without fans and media nba players make nothing. There would be no nba
Facts!!!😇
So Gil, Kenyon and Rashad shouldn’t have an opinion on ANYTHING other than basketball if we’re going by their logic
Hmm. They are now part of the sports entertainment media. By their logic, all other sports entertainment media figures are now disallowed from opinions on NBA players, if they haven't been in the league themselves. Most on the Gil's Arena have, so they just elevated themselves above a big portion of their own trade.
Don’t forget McCants is a shooter that defends that gets scored on
lol BJ was funny for that one
😂😂
Lol
@@keithbaldwin5772 fr 😂😂
I hate sports media with a passion.Dont always agree with Gil but he is spot on with this one
Media made you have a terrible game
By this logic , none of these guys can talk about Championship basketball
😭💯
@@SoSmooth3800 they don't
Your reaching but that's something you coach warriors love to do 😂
@@SoSmooth3800 lol well said.
But they can they still know the prep work and situations also a deeper knowledge of the game from being out there as competitors you just probably never played and understand the difference from the desk to being on the court thumb guy
Of all sports related podcast/program/analysis I’ve seen, this particular episode is brilliant. That nba players-analysts-audience/pilots-stewardess-passengers analogy was gold. And the die hard fan>sports writers/analysts take was true.
1. That airplane analogy was terrible
2. If you're not cool with politicians telling athletes to "shut up and dribble" you have no business telling analysts that they can't critique athletes. That's a hypocritical outlook
3. Ability to play doesn't equate to an understanding of the game. Some of the best coaches could never lace em up or play between them lines
So true, just coz they’re nba players doesn’t mean they’re smart, lol esp Gil, these guys legit just talking
Ah yes lets trust Stephen A and Skip,
Yall so fucking dumb you wanna disrespevt the best of the best but Skip said so@declankirkpatrick2947
@@declankirkpatrick2947not about being smarter. It is about literal experience versus just a talking head who just because they have been talking for a long time and watching for a long time somehow thinks they know more than the players.
They play the game. Have a better understanding of the intangibles. Analysts that never played do nor know more than the players
If you don’t understand you don’t understand your logic here is so flawed here’s the difference you can’t say shut up and dribble when the person who was told
That had opened an entire school. Secondly she’s not a politician she’s a news anchor big difference. If anyone of us in the comment section wanted to be a politician we can with no experience I.E Donald Trump. To the people who say “they just be talking” know the difference in when they’re trolling for clicks anytime they have a serious discussion like this one it’s nothing short but informative and objectively the truth
People only complain about narratives when they dont benefit their favorite player.
Big facts😭
thats a lie
100%
Dumb comment. People? 🤷♂️
The only real argument they have is D Howard on top 75. That is a crime. But we as fans can see whose good, whose trash, whose clutch, and whose a choke artist. I feel em on the difference of "opinion " and giving *perspective " but cats only want compliments sshh crazy.
Mcants name isn’t even near Reggie, and Reggie isn’t near Lebron 😂
Lol yea I believe the people who post LeBron avg 37...cause I don't even like Bron but I wouldn't disrespect him like that 😂
and where is your name
Wrong!!
@@GeeCruz-rb3wt yes sir mcants is above Reggie miller 🤣🤣🤣
One of the better topics from this group I've seen ..very detailed, insight 💯 and articulated very well.
No capping, exaggerating, or ego in this take.
This is when athletes piss me off. They think that only professional athletes have the right to critique their performance in a sport. As a fan I'm paying you to entertain me with your ability. When an athlete doesn't perform well for whatever reason, then gets criticized you never hear them talk about giving the fans their money back. You take away the fans in their money and let's see how many athletes love their sport enough to do it for free.
I think you missed what they’re getting at. Fans don’t have the level of detail to understand the nuance of a players career. But fans can influence ASG voting, for example, which can then inform a players salary negotiations. That’s not right.
You can have all the opinion you want. But that shouldn’t impact how a player is paid and regarded in his career. Dwight Howard is seen, or will be seen, as less than because media idiots left him off the Top 75 team. That informs Dwight’s resume moving forward and how he can/could be paid.
@@wowsadowsa Anthony Edwards just said that Michael Jordan was the only skilled player in his era, and every player in today's era is comparably skilled to MJ. According to Gil, only analysts who have played in the NBA are allowed to criticize Ant-Man's comment, because they have the "level of detail" to understand "the nuance" of a players career.
Truth is, former NBA players have at least as horrendously bad takes on basketball, as analysts who haven't played in the NBA. Don't believe me? Watch one show of Gil's Arena, and there will be one abysmally bad basketball take by a former player, guaranteed.
@@penkima4923 I’m not defending terrible takes from former players; however, there are older players who think the Dream Team could beat the 2012 Supreme Team. You can at least blame a player’s take from their personal opinion, having done the training, studied film (with coaches), and seen generations of professionals via open runs, NBPA meetings etc. How does that compare to Jason Whitlock saying that Jordan is the GOAT because of 6-0? Bayless saying LBJ has no clutch gene? SAS saying that if LBJ loses another Finals, he can’t be the GOAT?
And these media members have too much power in that they vote for awards that inform salaries. That means that likability or lack thereof (see Westbrook) by the voting media can inform All-Star, All-NBA, and All-Defensive awards. That is wrong.
The media is to blame for LBJ not having a DPOY. LBJ doesn’t have 5 MVPs because of “voter fatigue” despite dominant seasons in 2011 and 2018.
These affect LBJ’s standing in the basketball pantheon. And that effect comes from ppl who could a) barely draw or understand a basketball play and b) are subject to 0 accountability for their words or hot takes.
@@penkima4923 I suspect that in his short bball life. Ant ewards has heard that only MJ is relevant in that time period. His comment about Mj being the only skilled player makes sense. unfrotunately
@@eastgate6134 So, because he heard that the other players aren't relevant, they must all be unskilled? No, that doesn't make sense. Would like to know who said to Ant-Man that every player in the 90's are irrelevant. Is the We done with the 90's movement about this idea?
If it's only the 90's, which is called the Jordan era, because he won his chips then - Hakeem won two rings, Duncan and the early Spurs dynasty won one ring, and Zeke's Pistons won one ring. MJ faced Magic Johnson, James Worthy, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Charles Barkley, Gary Payton and Clyde Drexler in the finals alone. Ant-Man is supposed to possibly be the modern MJ, and he hasn't seen any of MJ's final runs? And that's just MJ in the 90's. Still no, doesn't make sense at all.
and THIS is why Gil's Arena is the best podcast. ZERO filter and more importantly; opinions are from the men and women thats played the game. to make it better, anybody can get whats been said.
These niggas have no rings they don’t know championship ball Gil same nigga who rather take more money then rings all that money he got nigga still working every day mmmm wonder why
When it comes to LeBron for every Stephen A and Skip you have a Nick Wright who's signed with klutch and a Shannon Sharpe talking down on Michael and Kobe
And you think that isn't the same vice versa? You are living in this fantasy world where it's one-sided and I regret to inform you it isn't. And if you believe it is you're being incredibly naïve.
Stephen a Smith quite literally announce his texts he gets from Jordan on live television lol
@@corpyhogan4433 Any reasonable person would see that's the point that I was making that it's vice versa must be a Bronsexual to not be able to see that and get in your feelings
How about Stephen A Smith, Skip Bayless and other media pundits who have Jordan as the goat. Are they all under Jordan pay role is Jordan paying them to say that?
@@Mason_23 He doesn't have to he's confident in his position
@@corpyhogan4433 Actually the point I was making but do you need a tissue Bron fanboy
This the best podcast. Loved watching all these guys play
It's always hilarious when I see the media talk about the media like they aren't the media.
The pilot analogy was perfect🤝
Why do we need to play in the nba to know who the greatest are?
Makes no sense
Makes perfect sense. You fans just want your opinion to be valid so much.
You wanna have an opinion so bad bruh. Stop. You’re not that important. Listen to what they’re saying and stop talking. God gave you 2 ears and 1 mouth for a reason. Stop talking and listen boy
@@Th3gr3atjuanYou swallowing mad 🥩 right now fam relax🤣🤣🤣
@@kelzd15 just because you do that, don’t mean I do. Nice try though. You can Get back to slurping em off
Because people don’t follow a rubric, they just pick their favorite player based on their opinion. It’s kids that never saw Jordan play but call him the goat because their dad hates lebron😂😂 the goat should be subjective based on stats, you can’t win a ring by yourself and you can’t use that guideline and not make the person with the most rings the goat.
“You’ve never done so you should have nothing but praise for them” is unrealistic af. You can acknowledge what it takes for someone to get to where they are and still have your thoughts about how they’re performing the tasks lol. This convo should’ve been about how to have a less than favorable opinion without needing to be cathartic all the time.
So… You all, ATHLETES… Loved and needed the media to create your storylines to BUILD your legacy, to get you to the pros, to get you more marketing…. But when it’s something you don’t LIKE 😂😂😂 now everyone needs to shut up because we didn’t play PRO. Okay… Well, how about y’all go back to shutting up and dribbling? Because NONE of y’all are politicians. Academics would show y’all are FAR from even the worst politicians…… 😂😂😂 Y’all some divas.
They didn't need e.
Yeah athletes should just play because when they talk it’s all contradictions I’m not praising anyone but god
They don’t need the media for shit there play gets them to where they need to go
Without the media fans an networks they would be the WNBA they headed there anyway cause anyone who would waste 2hrs to watch divas play sports and not chasing your own bag is ridiculous the king era the worst era of basketball who hurt these men lmao
@@MichaelGibson-cd9vr the media and fans are there for entertainment
“Idle pilot” 😂😂😂😂 7:12
This is the worst narrative. So if you have never been in politics, you can't discuss if a politician is good or terrible? These athletes just stroking each other is not the way
Thank you I was just about to comment about this they argue with each other all the time and they all have been wrong before even tho they played in the league
@@MLC719 It would be convenient for them, if only former NBA players were allowed to call them out for their horrendously bad takes. That's the position most politicians are trying to get into.
Every popular profession has professional pundits who critique it/judge it. It is valid to question who gets to critique it but different NBA players also have different opinions. There’s also coaches who never played who probably have valid opinions on the NBA as well.
I get what Gil was trying to do with the airplane metaphor but that doesn’t work because flying a plane isn’t something that everyone can do you have to go through a lot to get a flying license I don’t need any special documentation to play basketball and all the information is readily available to me if I research it and study flight school is way more complex than basketball, don’t mean to take his analogy literally but I know he could’ve made a better analogy than using a pilot on a plane cause that profession and a basketball profession just doesn’t go together 😂
Gil thought he was dropping knowledge 💯😭
Getting millions to literally play game vs getting thousands to keep people safe there's no comparison. F'n right they're gonna dissect every little thing.
“If Wemby isint better then Durant or Hakeem he’s a failure” -arguable basketball goat Christopher Broussard
Truth no reason be worse but injury
That was a great view on this topic. Great analogy from Gil
I understand what Gil is saying but when you have someone like McCants who was a player that basically doesn't respect LeBrons game who is arguably the greatest of all time, that destroys your argument about fans and media not being able to have an opinion because players have shown they can have just as terrible takes if not worse takes than fans and media. Kendrick Perkins, Ryan Rollins, Paul Pierce, even Gil himself and some of his taken on Hakeem and Giannis are prime examples. If we can only talk about things we've done professionally, most of us should have less than nothing to talk about.
Facts former players don't seem to respect each other
No argument for Bron being the greatest he’s not on MJs level no one is. Saying it’s arguable is a joke.
@@788lakersthe same person who saved Jordan legacy (Scottie) even says lebron is the goat. All time scoring leader lol there is a argument stop hating
We don’t respect mcants
@@sakaga6444😂 how did he save his legacy? Wade and Kyrie saved James legacy if you make a ridiculous claim like that. Obvious Scottie is hating and tried to do a tour about it that flopped with former teammates who even said Jordan is the GOAT. True Goats don’t get outplayed by a 6th man in the finals.
I mean there's a lot of things where someone isn't actually a professional in the profession but is a professional critiquer or analyzer of it. From movies, food, books heck if you do a bad enough job they'll put you in front of a judge and have a bunch of joe blows take away your ability to continue in that profession. I'm not really against that point though. But to me some of what they said here is just playing in people face. You have more regard for a die hard fan than an analyst. The latter is actually trying to watch as many games as possible and look up the history and learn the technical language of the game but you pass them up for the former. Not only that you said they have the same view so at any point both opinions can easily be dismissed as you didn't play the game. I think it's really analyst have a lot of say and players are against that but lets be honest players when it comes to voting be on some bs. Vote their friends or teammates some players barely watch other games as well. This also is coming from a man like Gil who I barely ever hear give Wilt Chamberlain any credit and there's factual stories of Wilt playing with college players against NBA players in pickup games and giving them buckets and blocks and winning the games. Unlike some ppl I dont just swallow whatever yall say just cause yall said it.
This applies to to medicine right now. So many patients come in with zerol knowledge but tell us how wrong we are.
Nearly all of those patients were vaccinated in the near past, with substance that nobody thoroughly knows it's causes.
If a player gets up and declares "That's when I knew I was the greatest of all time" in a barbershop show (placing himself above all other players legacies), he invited everyones critique and should just accept it... also having a mob of Klutch Sports analysts and ex teammates and paid peers (like coaches for their kid) pushing his legacy down our throat. he should accept legacy critique.... ultimately the fans should decide.
Facts!!!😇
3:04 umm.. food critics, movie critics - I agree with the Dwight Howard take. He definitely should have been top 75.
Those aren’t sports
@@HomerunsamSOSA go back and listen to what he said before that time stamp.
This show was another MASTERPIECE. You COVERED so much GROUND on a very IMPORTANT CONCEPT. How regular people listen to ANALYST who are regular people & NEWSCASTERS who are regular people. The only PROFESSIONALS/EXPERTS are the PLAYERS, the CAMERAMAN & maybe the REFEREES.... Awesome information, guys...
Cap, these guys push narratives and are just as biased as everyone else
This is an incredibly weak argument. I’ll counter using the analogy given. The flight attendant is incapable of doing the job of the pilot. We all can agree to that. However, someone that has been a flight attendant for 10 years and has been a crew member of hundreds to thousands of pilots can absolutely make an assessment of one pilot in comparison to the others.
I like how it fades out letting you know there's more show you're missing.
I understand part of their argument but it’s not completely valid. Most people have played basketball so if you understand where your skill level is… you can make a judgement on someone else’s. The taller you are the less skill and brain you need.. so many of them are complacent because they are 6’10
They talking those who judge the players as a person and don't focus on the game
@@eastgate6134 So, only former NBA players can judge each other at person level. Ingenious.
Jordan did 1 thing, Doug Collins tried to make him be more like Magic but Phil wanted Everyone to be hit the open man. That was the only time jordan was trying to be more that just a scorer. Wilt hold 72 records for a reason.
This has become the “did you know I played the game” arena
They have a perfect point tho and mark Cuban pointed this out in 2011 after the finals it’s nothing wrong with certain media and sports shows and opinions but a lot of the time now they speak as if they words hold true weight and they absolutely do not
And that’s exactly the way this era and every era after this needs to be. A lot of fans and the broadcasters need to know their place. Your patronage and viewership is all that’s needed. Your opinions, not so much…
@@1anth "A lot of fans and the broadcasters need to know their place."
K-Mart said all sports entertainment figures, who haven't played in the NBA. Some of them are formally educated journalists, while some are not. They shouldn't be clumped together.
"Your opinions, not so much…"
Real journalists or professional analysts make far better basketball analysis than K-Mart or Gil, and some sports entertainers do as well. Former NBA players' opinions are welcome, but what they are trying to do is make more comprehensive analysis of different facets of the game, and usually fail at it. K-Mart has some vague idea of what was going on on the court when he played in the 00's, but he obviously haven't been watching the NBA very intently for at least a decade. And neither K-Mart nor Gil don't have the slightest idea of the most basic basketball stats.
@@deshaunblocker1323 "They have a perfect point tho and mark Cuban pointed this out in 2011 after the finals it’s nothing wrong with certain media and sports shows and opinions but a lot of the time now they speak as if they words hold true weight and they absolutely do not"
Interestingly, Mark Cuban visited Skip Bayless' show, and corrected many of Skip's basketball misconceptions. And Cuban has never played basketball. Nearly none of former basketball players are able to argue as successfully with people like Skip, and so confidently correct him. Because former basketball are all talented in playing basketball, but chances are that nearly none of them are talented in analysis. Don't believe me? Watch one show of Gil's Arena, and there's a guaranteed at least one horrendously bad basketball analysis by a former player.
This was a great segment
These guys really believe because they played they know better
Woooooo…😂😂😂😂
The airplane analogy was rough and wound up being a reach anyway lmao
Strange analogy with the pilots and stewardess. The NFL, NBA, and MLB would not exist to where it is now without the broadcaster/analyst. The old newspaper columnists and current 24 hour sports radio and TV helped to grow the games to the point where Gilbert and KMart can make $100M plus over their careers. Without them, the NBA, NFL and MLB would be like other lesser known paid sports in America.
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@@deyontaewilkerson5886why? he’s right
That was what the technology consisted of at the time and at least in the print they had to be factually accurate not opinionated views on games they have no ability to play not even recreationally
The word of mouth is powerful, the Bible is still here bc of it🤷🏾♂️
without the broadcaster yes, analysts no. but i do enjoy "analysts" get proven wrong time and time again so theres that.
Gil’s podcast is one of the best podcasts online. Dude making all kinds of points.
While a nba player's opinion should be held to a higher regard, that doesn't mean non-nba player's opinions should be dismissed. There are many spectators that watch film and study the game just as much if not more than nba players. Also nba player's opinions can be biased at times due to pettiness/ego and for the sake of protecting their own legacy.
Bra anybody that has lebron 2nd is straight capping and following a narrative 💯🤝
So why you in the media? What validates you to be an analyst did you do to them schools to learn that?
Just cuz you didn’t do some to the highest degree doesn’t invaldate you from having a view, critique or w.e 🤦🏽♂️
One thing to add is these “analysts” are not really analysts. There are real math geeks/ppl behind the scenes providing info to backup their take
According to this logic, if you get served raw food at a restaurant you aren’t allowed to criticize the chef because you have never been a chef before. This is such a dumbass argument
Gill be treating the podcast like he the pastor that talks the whole time like he lecturing the rest just be sitting their like the people 😂
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BUT ONE THING WE KNOW GILBERT WILL CRITICIZE EVERYBODY EXCEPT STEPHEN A SMITH.... EVERYTIME KENYON MENTION STEPHEN A NAME ON THE SHOW WHICH WAS 3 TIMES, GILBERT WONT ENGAGE IN THE CONVERSATION
No matter how much we hate Jason Whitlock , when he exposed Stephen a Smith with facts about his college career, Gilbert made a whole 2 hour podcast about Stephen a Smith calling Whitlock names. Never not once did Gilbert address the facts Whitlock had
You can speak better about NBA basketball than you or any of us can…
Stephen A only failure as an analyst is going along the hate culture with Skiup. Shoulda draw the line and said nope, we are appreciating not hating, but that green paper is just too good for him to say no.
From time to time, Stephen A say good stuff, but when JJ Redick sit opposite to him in basketball related stuff, oh boy, he look retarded sometime borderline goofy. It’s first time I thought that must be how every player thought if we really talk basketball with them. I thought I love basketball, but only diehard and those guys who were they can relate.
That analogy with the plane ✈️ was fire 🔥 af!!!!! #PERFECT
Russell Wilson didn’t answer that shii honestly rs imo….That Seahawks shii will forever be a mystery.
Russ threw a awful pass
@@nicstone3141coach made a bad call
What profession doesn’t get judged?? U guys are trippin
Every man and woman are entitled to their own opinion. Everyone is not going to agree. Former player or not
And that’s the problem that’s what he talking about every man and every woman entitled to their opinion rather they right or wrong I get it you want to haters that do not have a clue
And that’s the problem that’s what he talking about every man and every woman entitled to their opinion rather they right or wrong I get it you want to haters that do not have a clue
Facts!!!😇
11 Championships in CHUCK TAYLORS BILL RUSSELL IS THE GOAT OF GOATS‼️
Facts!!!!!!
Gil's analogies be 🔥🔥
The pilot is the owner 😂 players are flight attendants.
What CEO/Owner of an airline flies the plane? The owner is sitting where the customers are as well. The air traffic controller are the coaches. No one is more important than the NBA player of any organization. We can name 30 NBA players before we can name 30 owners.
@@LuckyShowTime lol not even flight attendants. They're the customer service agent who checks you in and weight your luggage.
I’ve never seen a team owner step onto the court or field themselves. NBA players to pilots: just as pilots learn to fly and provide a service for their passengers, NBA players train and perform to entertain their fans. Meanwhile, the analysts and are like the flight crew ensuring everything runs smoothly supporting both the players and the fans in their shared experience.
proof not everyone deserves to voice their opinion . owners don’t produce the product , players do
Gil was speaking from the heart. Respect 🙏
If athletes didn’t have media or fans there would be no professional sports tf everybody and everything gets criticized and wtf are y’all talking about?
People criticize people in general. In all professions. NBA is no exception
@@charlesjohnson4874👏🏿👏🏿🫵🏿😭
Great take !!! This jont FACTSSSS !!
That was a great analogy
About time everybody get on board and talk about the real problems
The pilot got millions to fly the plane, so of course the “customer” is going to judge how you flew the plane…
yes and that’s all the customers can critique , how smooth the flight was . they know nothing of the difficulties it took to fly and land the plane
Thank you for showing love and respect to Dwight Howard!!! We owe these Men way more respect than they get! Thank you guys for honoring your fellow ball players and professional athletes ❤
I watch bc of mccants
Trauma will do that you
Lowkey when he not there it’s boring
Were you a fan of Mccants when he played? Genuinely curious
@@NonamenoHAndle000he’s a much better personality than player
I miss when he spoke often on the work
love the comparison !!!!!!
Like when every knucklehead calls LeBron a bum from their couches, while everybody who's ever played with or against him calls him either thee or one of the greatest.
We got idiots from the couch saying MJ quit basketball, no context, he just quit and was chilling at home
You cam still critic and he is abum its thats simple its the fans who never played think he s great
I'm not sure who should have been left off but I AM sure Dwight Howard should have made top 75
over who?
Excellent analogy, Gil!!!!!!
All the former NBA players that spoke down on Lebron on live TV lost their media job and had them black suburbans at their door that same night 😂😂😂
It's a must to protect the narrative 😭
Facts
@@yeeshhdavis2154cap
U already know 😂
What are you yapping about? Name one. The # of former NBA players that even HAVE full time jobs in the national al media outlets like ESPN are minuscule. Theres the ones we know like KPerk etc and the ones on the Run It Back(?) show w Lou Will and them...paul pierce, KG.. Theres not many. Name who lost their job? The fact is they critique when theres stuff to critique and the sensible ones know that theres nor much to critique.
This THIS is why I love Gil!!! He tells no lies!!!
do he respect the 30 Lebron averaged on him?
Nope because calling for screens to get the weaker defender on you the bulldozing in the paint and if I contest your shot it’s a foul on me isn’t impressive 🥱
@@Dipset415You just wanna bicker, results of being neglected ya whole life lol
@@RahmodJohnson naw I love hoops and this dude is a disgrace to the game and it’s competitive nature that I feel in love with💯💪🏿✊🏿
@@Dipset415bro that’s basketball 😂 nigga mad he ran a pick and roll you wanna see 1-4 flat chuck up a 20 foot brick 😂
@@Dipset415 you don’t luv hoops u enjoy trolling in the comment section be LeBron is better than your childhood basketball hero that’s why y’all have to concoct pinky n the lame brain type logic to hate. Using ur irrational pin head logic Kobe’s 81 point game was really only 38 cause he primarily came off picks and scored on arthritic Jalen Rose. 🤷🏾♂️
What Kenyon said in the start was facts fasho McCants needed to have a keen ear to what that man said 💯
Kobe bean is the greatest 🐐
Answer this... Who assigns the value of the paintings of the Masters that are hanging in museums? Is it the painters or the analysts?
Kobe Bryant had 33 game winners in his career clutch
He had 8. A simple google search would have told you that.
@@jasonhayman9521 RIGHT! 😂 and 4 other fools like that comment 🤦♂️
@@9amMoonwalker😂😂😂😂
So in Kenyon's analogy, citizens of America or in whatever democracy, cannot criticize Officials, Politicians, Presidents, Mayors, Police Officers etc... because we have never been those in our lives...
Dang Gil, would like y’all to do a play by play breakdown of games. Explain why a player did something because as a fan sometime I don’t see what that player saw or knew. It would be awesome to have commentators do that during the game. Let one station do the game and then do a TH-cam or something where the plays are broke down, explain what the scouting report said and such. Kenyans break down of Duncan was nice, do that for other players. Either way keep up the good work.
Without the customers on the plane, there is no flight.
Customers drive the prices but shouldn't have any input into a captains flight plan or travel
1:39 see I can’t agree with this I understand if he say they shouldn’t be over critical but to say you have to pause then just because? Nah I’m not a chef but i know what I like to eat people that do music know if they like a as song or not
💯real spill
This was a healthy take on reality of a sport and this is what makes this program priceless. Excellent! 👍
Gil is apart of the Media now and this podcast does the exact thing mentioned in the caption.
Great Airplane Analogy 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Whenever Gil speaks his point! He be sounding like a pastor! Just loud as hell 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Mccants chiming in is hilarious for what dawg you ain’t them🤣