This bot succeeded in trolling me. I thought I was going to win on time, but what happened was it found a complex mate in 7 and then intentionally drained its clock before playing it out. It basically slow rolled me.
The only improvement that I can think of for the bot is the function to BM your opponent. For example, if the bot has mate on its next move, it should hold for 10 seconds to give the opponent an opportunity to resign.
There are plenty of possible improvements. To name a few, it could always sacrifice material as long as doing so wouldn't drop more than a set percentage of the evaluation; it could choose the most aggressive (easy to train a neural network to recognise aggressive moves) option available if no sacrifice is possible; it could try to play "in the spirit" of the openings in the database, etc.
This is fascinating as a relative newbie. I just used this opening and some of the ideas after watching - it utterly destroyed one of the bots I usually use for learning. Wow. Thanks for sharing!
This is a great opening. This being the only tutorial I have ever seen! I won 7 out of 8 games. And I remember just the first 4 moves and the main ideas. (Bullfrog gambit)
I think that this is one of the most interesting segments you've ever shown us. A vast resource has opened, not unlike a Venus Flytrap. We KNOW that we are the flies. And yet...
I always thought this was the way to go after engines got so strong they beat super GMs with piece odds. it's so pointless to watch people analyse 0.1 pawn differences in engine lines when the engine can beat anyone a piece down. the tiny differences are irrelevant to human play because engine strength masks anything subtler than piece odds. so it's much more useful to see how this bot proves us that dubious gambits are completely playable.
You just pointed out that odds that would be significant for a human don't really matter for the engine and then right after you said that it proves that Dubious gambit are "completely playable". No man. You were right with your first take. Dubious gambits are very bad and will usually lose humans the game because we don't usually outmatch our opponent by enough that odds don't matter. You just argued that Dubious gambits aren't that bad because the 3000 rated(?) engine can beat humans with it. After that logic blundering two clean pawns in the opening would be "completely playable" as well.
@@eliasvonbrille if an engine can find moves to win those games, the same moves exist in the position for all of us. therefore those gambits are winnable against any human. that's the truth of the position.
@@babstra55 the engine can also find moves to beat other bots, so it's possible for humans to win against a 9999999 rated bot just because the moves are there???
@@Gian_sas yes. of course it's possible, if the moves exist in the position. that's what the truth of the position means. it's not a subjective concept.
@@babstra55 it's not possible for any human and it will never be. It's practically impossible, not theorically. The only reason why it would be possible is because of the million monkeys paradox.
I just played a 50 move game against the bot and tried some shenanigans in the opening with a3 h4 trying to confuse it. I'm 2550 so actually higher rated than the bot and it completely outplayed me. I made 3 inaccuracies in the whole game 2 of them in the opening and it only made 1... I don't care that it beat me but at least give it a proper rating. No 2500 plays a perfect game for over 50 loves lmao.
I've played bots on lichess, and in my experience, they are 300-400 elo underrated, because they almost exclusively play each other, almost never play humans in rated games. Johnathan never stood a chance. It wasn't even close. He should try a 2000 elo bot instead.
Bot reminds me of GM Hambleton: “When you see mate in 1, look for better!”
Disrespectful 😂
This bot succeeded in trolling me. I thought I was going to win on time, but what happened was it found a complex mate in 7 and then intentionally drained its clock before playing it out. It basically slow rolled me.
How do I get the bot on lichess
@@ThomasEmmanuel-xs4ku You can add it as a friend but sadly the bot hasn't been active in a year.
This bot shows you that if you are strong enough you can make any dubious gambit not look dubious?
The only improvement that I can think of for the bot is the function to BM your opponent. For example, if the bot has mate on its next move, it should hold for 10 seconds to give the opponent an opportunity to resign.
when the bot wins it tells you in the chat "GG and i mean get good"
There are plenty of possible improvements. To name a few, it could always sacrifice material as long as doing so wouldn't drop more than a set percentage of the evaluation; it could choose the most aggressive (easy to train a neural network to recognise aggressive moves) option available if no sacrifice is possible; it could try to play "in the spirit" of the openings in the database, etc.
This is fascinating as a relative newbie. I just used this opening and some of the ideas after watching - it utterly destroyed one of the bots I usually use for learning. Wow. Thanks for sharing!
This is a great opening. This being the only tutorial I have ever seen! I won 7 out of 8 games. And I remember just the first 4 moves and the main ideas. (Bullfrog gambit)
I think that this is one of the most interesting segments you've ever shown us. A vast resource has opened, not unlike a Venus Flytrap. We KNOW that we are the flies. And yet...
Wow. The band Rage Against the Machine now makes absolute sense.
This guy is educational and fun.
7:50 the castle killed me
@@funny_money_ad_infinitum how did you get that emoji
I always thought this was the way to go after engines got so strong they beat super GMs with piece odds. it's so pointless to watch people analyse 0.1 pawn differences in engine lines when the engine can beat anyone a piece down. the tiny differences are irrelevant to human play because engine strength masks anything subtler than piece odds. so it's much more useful to see how this bot proves us that dubious gambits are completely playable.
You just pointed out that odds that would be significant for a human don't really matter for the engine and then right after you said that it proves that Dubious gambit are "completely playable".
No man. You were right with your first take. Dubious gambits are very bad and will usually lose humans the game because we don't usually outmatch our opponent by enough that odds don't matter.
You just argued that Dubious gambits aren't that bad because the 3000 rated(?) engine can beat humans with it.
After that logic blundering two clean pawns in the opening would be "completely playable" as well.
@@eliasvonbrille if an engine can find moves to win those games, the same moves exist in the position for all of us. therefore those gambits are winnable against any human. that's the truth of the position.
@@babstra55 the engine can also find moves to beat other bots, so it's possible for humans to win against a 9999999 rated bot just because the moves are there???
@@Gian_sas yes. of course it's possible, if the moves exist in the position. that's what the truth of the position means. it's not a subjective concept.
@@babstra55 it's not possible for any human and it will never be. It's practically impossible, not theorically. The only reason why it would be possible is because of the million monkeys paradox.
You should totally try to get the Nakhmanson against this thing. Or the Wagon!
How the fuck is Alice?
No need to try, just challenge "from position" and you can play this bot in any gambit you want.
Jonathan shranz: "it might not be so easy to find a mate".
Me who has been single for over 5 years can relate to that.
I just played a 50 move game against the bot and tried some shenanigans in the opening with a3 h4 trying to confuse it. I'm 2550 so actually higher rated than the bot and it completely outplayed me. I made 3 inaccuracies in the whole game 2 of them in the opening and it only made 1... I don't care that it beat me but at least give it a proper rating. No 2500 plays a perfect game for over 50 loves lmao.
"No Human can beat This Dubious Opening Bot"
*Meanwhile Magnus laughing in corner*
I've played bots on lichess, and in my experience, they are 300-400 elo underrated, because they almost exclusively play each other, almost never play humans in rated games. Johnathan never stood a chance. It wasn't even close. He should try a 2000 elo bot instead.
I need a Gmhikaru video against this bot.
Fun, thx! (You have a problem for sound at least in beginning of the video after h4)
Is there a way to play this bot locally?
Bullfrog?!? That's the Kilkenny gambit!
It's probably using Stockfish with the values tweaked to undervalue material, like it says in the name
And then he sacrifices THE ROOOOOOOOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's superinteresting because gambits are meant to trick and use the human way of thinking and exploiting emotions like greed.
The bot was thinking "silly human"
Speaks to the limitations of humanity, even though man is the one that created it.
I miss your chess content. Come back! ❤
Lol This was great. Thanks Jonathan!
This bot is hilarious,
It says "gg ,i mean get good" after winning the game
This is called the Kill Kenny, by Simon Williams.
Nah, Humphrey Bogart Gambit
8:30 schrantz has had the position 1000000 times
8:35 this position has occured 7000 times on lichess
..this math ain't addin up
Funny human
How do you play the bot?
You're funny mate. 😁
How do you access this bot on Lichess?
link is in the video description
Or call it the "Tal bot'
The bot likes to play it it's food
What is the bot called please?
It's called MaterialIsOverrated and you can check it out here: lichess.org/@/MaterialIsOverrated
@@JonathanSchrantz thanks Jonathan, btw ❤️ your vids, haven't tried the wagon gambit yet but it's on the to do list
I misclicked that knight to a6
yo.
Lol
Day 2 of asking for a video about the Latvian Gambit.
Day 52 of asking for a video on my funny English lines
Day 1 of asking you to stop mentioning your funny English lines
You are dedicated, he should be showing your funny English lines
@@tedpaul8391imagine getting mad at me giving Jonathon 52 days of free engagement lol
I like its style , sacrifice for aggressive attack with purpose (win)❤️♟️