You answered so many questions for me in this presentation! Particularly about the affects of throwing understable discs with different power and how that affects their flight path. Thank you!
Audobon! Love that course. I also recently 'discovered' the better distance and straighter flight that understable discs provide for my noodle arm. Good stuff.
Thanks for the video mate. Actually gave alot of great info for people like me who are only new. Practiced a couple shots with the understable fairway driver today which turned out to be very good as I finally worked out how to get further down to a hole than I have been before. Thankyou mate!
7:08 “They reveal errors in your form” this so much… I just started playing last year around the end of the season, and the beginning of the season this year I began with throwing discs that were too fast for me so I was instinctively putting some anhyzer on every throw. Once my friends started to tell me that I had enough arm speed to start attempting the hyzer-flips is when they informed me of my anhyzer form. I’ve been able to start correcting my form but I’ve lost about 20-40 feet on my drives, due to slowing down in general but I’ve gone from scoring +8-10 to +3-6 on my home course. Can’t wait until next season to possibly start competing in tournaments.
I keep a star mirage in my bag. You won't believe the stuff you can do with it when you're scrambling, and can only really flick your wrist with no arm. It's saved my bacon more than once.
This is a great video! I’m looking for a flippy 11-12 speed that turns but doesn’t burn. Curious if you have recommendations. My sword has gotten super flippy
Thanks 👊 Obviously that depends on arm speed yada yada yada, but in general I'd recommend the Lone Star Curl- we describe them to people as "pre-beat wraiths". A step up in stability from that (but still just under a wraith imo) is their new Nimitz- video on that is dropping tomorrow 😉 Have you tried either of those?
@@ArmoryDiscGolf I haven’t tried those. I’ve actually never tried lone star but I want to have as many brands as possible in my bag so that’d be perfect.
Forgive me if I am wrong, but a Lariat with 9,5,-1,1 flight numbers is a stable, or straight, disc. You add the turn and fade, and it is only understable if the product is negative. And even if you add to a -1, that would barely be understable. If the numbers are positive, it is overstable. A 0 is stable or straight.
You're not wrong, but that's assuming the flight numbers are a correct representation of the disc. This particular run of Lariats were verrrry understandable, as shown in the flight footage. It was the first Lariat I had thrown, others were much closer to flight numbers
Depends on the slot (mid, fairway, driver). There will always be personal opinion on that because people throw differently (speed, angle, nose angle, etc), but I definitely have some favorites
Typically thrown high, but really it's about angle out of the hand (very steep hyzer)- notice how those shots came out at something like a 75°angle. Good question 👍
When you showed the numbers on the under stable disc, the last two numbers are -1, 1. Isn't that a neutral disc? Wouldn't an under stable disc have a higher number for fade than the turn number?
Typically, yes. The first run of Lariats were wayyy more understable than their numbers indicated and I used to recommend them for beginners. Lone Star has since corrected the mold and they fly true to flight numbers now, so don't pick one up expecting it to fly like this one did haha (I would say this one flew like 9, 5, -3, 1, for reference)
No more than I play and having a lack of decent courses, I throw nothing but understable discs. I'm also 55 years old and I just prefer not having to crank on a disc to get it to fly far. I get better flights with my understable discs. The only disc I prefer to have a little more stability, is my mid-range.
Not having to crank on a disc is so underrated, too- it's so nice to get a smooth throw and watch an understable disc just glide through the air. That's one of the things that kept me coming back to disc gold when I first started and is still very pleasing haha
Actually, understable discs go farther than overstable discs because their glide is predominantly produced by Bernoulli's principle and the Coandă effect (air is being accelerated down around the rim of the disc from the top, creating a downward force which by Newton's third law causes an equal and opposite upward force, as well as lower pressure on top of the flight plate, which causes the disc to want to rise - more so at the back end of the disc, which causes the left side of the wingplate to rise and the disc to turn right for RHBH throws). Overstable discs predominantly produce glide by deflecting air downwards from the front of the rim, which by Newton's third law causes the disc to be pushed upwards (and the nose and right side of the disc to rise for RH/BH throws). To be fair though, every disc does a little bit of both. Except the Tilt. The Tilt has practically no glide contributed by the Coandă effect, which is why it's impossible to throw it further than about 150ft. That's because it will start fading/crashing if the disc is thrown hard enough to still travel forward by the time spin decreases to the point where the nose-deflection force overcomes the gyroscopic stability. But if you *could* throw the tilt with something like 100000RPM spin, it still wouldn't go as far as an understable disc thrown with the same armspeed, simply because the glide produced by air deflection is directly proportional to the amount of drag the air deflection produces, whereas the Coandă effect adds just a fraction of that same drag to produce the same amount of lift.
Not sure that I even understand the second half of that sentence, but the Bosses Wiggins and Lizotte threw to set the distance record were Blizzard plastic in the 130 class... so yes, they were understable
This is so true. My game has advanced a lot since I started throwing mostly understable.
Great video. It's a good reminder to throw understable when the shot calls for it.
You answered so many questions for me in this presentation! Particularly about the affects of throwing understable discs with different power and how that affects their flight path. Thank you!
Love to hear it, glad it helped!
The spike hyzer with an understable disc is one of my favorite shots to throw in the woods!
Same! That lobster gets work done in wooded tunnels 👌
Great info. Even as a seasoned rec player I never knew about the spike hyzer tip. Thanks man!
Thanks, I fairly recently learned about that one myself. Thought it was the coolest part of the video, personally
Thank you for such a great video this information you provide is very useful. Keep up the great videos you make.
appreciate that, glad it helps!
Audobon! Love that course. I also recently 'discovered' the better distance and straighter flight that understable discs provide for my noodle arm. Good stuff.
Loved the spike hyper tip, very good info!
Thanks, I thought that was the coolest part myself
Thanks for the video mate. Actually gave alot of great info for people like me who are only new. Practiced a couple shots with the understable fairway driver today which turned out to be very good as I finally worked out how to get further down to a hole than I have been before.
Thankyou mate!
Yessir, happy to hear it helped out 👊
The editing on this is just 👌🔥
great explanation of the understable disc panning out. thanks
Only recently discovered that, thought it was cool
7:08 “They reveal errors in your form” this so much… I just started playing last year around the end of the season, and the beginning of the season this year I began with throwing discs that were too fast for me so I was instinctively putting some anhyzer on every throw. Once my friends started to tell me that I had enough arm speed to start attempting the hyzer-flips is when they informed me of my anhyzer form. I’ve been able to start correcting my form but I’ve lost about 20-40 feet on my drives, due to slowing down in general but I’ve gone from scoring +8-10 to +3-6 on my home course. Can’t wait until next season to possibly start competing in tournaments.
heck yeah! now just imagine what those scores are gonna look like when you get that 20-40 feet back (and more) as you continue to work on your form 😤
just picked up an origin disc from dd i'm excited to use it!
The origin is a great disc! Check out our review of the Midnight Prowl 2 (an Origin) if you haven't seen it yet 👍
Well done.
I keep a star mirage in my bag. You won't believe the stuff you can do with it when you're scrambling, and can only really flick your wrist with no arm. It's saved my bacon more than once.
Star mirage isn't one you hear about often
Great video! Loving my Mint Lobster. Audubon is looking a little wet! @ 8:36 is where I love to throw a leopard3 or Jackalope
I normally go forehand with an A2 on the left side but that up the middle gap is more fun to throw haha
Great video thank you
👊 appreciate it
Great video! Man you can carve up a course 😮 subscribed 👍
Appreciate it 👊
This is my home course, if I can play anything well it should be this one haha
This is a great video! I’m looking for a flippy 11-12 speed that turns but doesn’t burn. Curious if you have recommendations. My sword has gotten super flippy
Thanks 👊 Obviously that depends on arm speed yada yada yada, but in general I'd recommend the Lone Star Curl- we describe them to people as "pre-beat wraiths". A step up in stability from that (but still just under a wraith imo) is their new Nimitz- video on that is dropping tomorrow 😉
Have you tried either of those?
@@ArmoryDiscGolf I haven’t tried those. I’ve actually never tried lone star but I want to have as many brands as possible in my bag so that’d be perfect.
@@calebdyer6332 well we've got a few of both. Use code "nicksentme" for 15% off 😉
@@calebdyer6332 oh, we've got a Lone Star order coming in today that'll have several more Curls if you want to wait and see some different colors
Great video. Just subscribed.
Thanks and thanks 👊
Awesome video. Subbed
Thanks, glad to have you 👊
Yesss !
Forgive me if I am wrong, but a Lariat with 9,5,-1,1 flight numbers is a stable, or straight, disc. You add the turn and fade, and it is only understable if the product is negative. And even if you add to a -1, that would barely be understable. If the numbers are positive, it is overstable. A 0 is stable or straight.
You're not wrong, but that's assuming the flight numbers are a correct representation of the disc. This particular run of Lariats were verrrry understandable, as shown in the flight footage.
It was the first Lariat I had thrown, others were much closer to flight numbers
@@ArmoryDiscGolf Thanks for the reply. Always learning. Appreciate the response and the video.
My understable is a Mamba and my most overstable is a full tilt.
Haha you've got the full range covered
Heyyyyy this is Audubon right? Love that course
It is! Great course, probably my most played in the area
@Armory Disc Golf oh yeah it has a few crusher holes and some great precision shots. We gotta get a round in down there sometime!
Something also to consider is that pros throw overstable discs that are REALLY beat up so theyre actually flippy.
Yessir, good thing to consider
Do you have a list for the best understables? It seems like some of the lists I've seen are personal opinion and don't match others.
Depends on the slot (mid, fairway, driver). There will always be personal opinion on that because people throw differently (speed, angle, nose angle, etc), but I definitely have some favorites
Great tips but whoever suggested that hoodie did you the real favor
😘
Sorry I’m new to disc golf but is a spike hyzer a hyzer throw that is thrown high?
yes
Typically thrown high, but really it's about angle out of the hand (very steep hyzer)- notice how those shots came out at something like a 75°angle. Good question 👍
I guess I accidentally do this all the time because I’m a noob and tend to release too high often.
@@ninerknight5351 I did that for the first couple months too. Someone told me to put more pressure on the disc with my thumb and that seemed to help.
When you showed the numbers on the under stable disc, the last two numbers are -1, 1. Isn't that a neutral disc? Wouldn't an under stable disc have a higher number for fade than the turn number?
Typically, yes. The first run of Lariats were wayyy more understable than their numbers indicated and I used to recommend them for beginners. Lone Star has since corrected the mold and they fly true to flight numbers now, so don't pick one up expecting it to fly like this one did haha
(I would say this one flew like 9, 5, -3, 1, for reference)
No more than I play and having a lack of decent courses, I throw nothing but understable discs. I'm also 55 years old and I just prefer not having to crank on a disc to get it to fly far. I get better flights with my understable discs. The only disc I prefer to have a little more stability, is my mid-range.
Not having to crank on a disc is so underrated, too- it's so nice to get a smooth throw and watch an understable disc just glide through the air. That's one of the things that kept me coming back to disc gold when I first started and is still very pleasing haha
Actually, understable discs go farther than overstable discs because their glide is predominantly produced by Bernoulli's principle and the Coandă effect (air is being accelerated down around the rim of the disc from the top, creating a downward force which by Newton's third law causes an equal and opposite upward force, as well as lower pressure on top of the flight plate, which causes the disc to want to rise - more so at the back end of the disc, which causes the left side of the wingplate to rise and the disc to turn right for RHBH throws).
Overstable discs predominantly produce glide by deflecting air downwards from the front of the rim, which by Newton's third law causes the disc to be pushed upwards (and the nose and right side of the disc to rise for RH/BH throws).
To be fair though, every disc does a little bit of both. Except the Tilt. The Tilt has practically no glide contributed by the Coandă effect, which is why it's impossible to throw it further than about 150ft. That's because it will start fading/crashing if the disc is thrown hard enough to still travel forward by the time spin decreases to the point where the nose-deflection force overcomes the gyroscopic stability. But if you *could* throw the tilt with something like 100000RPM spin, it still wouldn't go as far as an understable disc thrown with the same armspeed, simply because the glide produced by air deflection is directly proportional to the amount of drag the air deflection produces, whereas the Coandă effect adds just a fraction of that same drag to produce the same amount of lift.
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Fr though, that's cool 👍
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Don't tell me what to do, you're not my real dad.
Far as you know 🤷♂️
You just called the Boss a really understable, yeah in your bra wtf bro has no idea what he's talking about😂😂😂
Not sure that I even understand the second half of that sentence, but the Bosses Wiggins and Lizotte threw to set the distance record were Blizzard plastic in the 130 class... so yes, they were understable
But the Lariat is a stable disc, not understable.
I chat about this at 2:46 👍