The truth of God’s word states that to divorce and remarry makes you an adulterer. The CoE crossed the rubicon in the 1500’s when they served the state rather than God.
@Moses King Jesus, when questioned about divorce and remarriage stated that it was permissable if there was sexual infidelity. If you remember that the penalty for adultery was death. So the partner in a marriage guilty would have been killed, leaving the other a widow or widower. Hence permitting them to marry. Because that law was not being carried out, the principal still stands.
For ordinary Christians in England it is tempting to think that we have no influence whatsoever with the bishops. But I've emailed them and they do read what I have to say and they do reply. Let's encourage tens of thousands of Bible-believing Godly Christians to fill the inboxes of the liberal bishops with this clear message: That what God's Word calls sin is sin, and that sin is never to be encouraged, celebrated or blessed.
@@Kyle-sr6jm very true! That’s the main issue with mainstream Protestantism and modern Anglicanism. They just pretend to say “love Jesus” and go on in sin
2 Chronicles 7:14 If MY PEOPLE WHO ARE CALLED BY NAME, will turn from THEIR wicked ways, humble themselves, seek my face and pray, THEN will I hear from heaven, forgive THEIR sins and heal their land.” Is it unreasonable to say but not until then?
I'm a believer in Jesus Christ, of the reformed tradition but am not a member of an Anglican church. However, I found this channel when I heard the decision on SSM blessings and prayers. It is so comforting to hear your reactions, from sadness to remaining faithful to the Bible's teachings. Thank you for this video and discussion. All God's children who accept Jesus' sacrifice for their sin and adhere to the Bible's truth, no matter which denominational church building we meet in, are together in unity and sadness with you. This kind of false belief undermines Jesus' teaching and therefore affects every one of his children. ❤
Thank you Dr. Jensen for being a leader in the orthodox and evangelical ethos of the Anglican communion. Your responses are extremely thoughtful and call us to remain faithful to the authority of Scripture and the apostolic foundation of teaching and orthodoxy.
If the Church of England stayed true to the authority of scripture, what about Matt 5 which states that to divorce a woman and marry another is adultery? The CoE crossed the rubicon in the 1500’s when they served the state rather than God.
It really is grief. I'm the son of a CofE verger, grew up cleaning the building, now grieving. England is loosing it; GAFCON send us missionaries! The workers are few and the ground is so hard and rocky.
@@shans4270 The Lord saves His people one at a time . He needs no more Arminians teaching their unbiblical lies . You read and believe the Bible yourself , and make your calling and election sure . The priesthood was made redundant when the curtain at the Holy of Holies was ripped apart ! Our only priest is the Son of God , who is seated on the right hand of the Father in heaven . He intercedes for us , while His enemies are being made a footstool for His feet . Run from your cult before it reunites with the abomination in Rome .
Ridiculous stuff. This church of England is a joke. For many years they have been doing things against the Bible. Without the Bible there will be no church. Take away the Bible keep it sacred , stop attending and let the Bishops run the Churches as a night club for the Queer Gay crowd.
I am a young, born-again Christian in my late fifties. The Bible speaks to us even after 10 years. I am still learning. However, the Bible is clear on sin and the need for repentance in order for God to open our eyes to the truth. One day we will all face God and account for our time on earth. Death does not have a hold on me anymore. But it does not mean I fold my arms and relax, as the world increasingly rejects the Bible and Jesus Christ's teachings. We must pray for the future more than ever to ensure as many people make it to the new Kingdom. The Church of England has let us down. I am slowly coming to terms with what has happened. I was so sad, and I feel sad for God. However, the good news is that we have our prayers, and no one can take that away. Therefore, let's continue praying for the Church of England, family, friends, etc. to uphold God's authority and for future generations. God is with us always and forever. Sandie, London, United Kingdom
This "blessing" is a matter of deep grief for all English Christians whether members of the C of E or non-comformists. The C of E is profoundly integrated into English politics and society and has enormous influence in our nation. The bishops have a strong representation in the House of Lords and are able to influence the laws of the land. Many of the best schools are C of E managed and are supposed to have a Christian ethos. Above all the bishops are the voice of the church to the nation and at the moment what the nation is hearing is that Christ's redeemed people believe that same sex unions are not sinful. The Christian leadership of our nation is condoning sin (also including transgender ideology) and are not standing against the corruption that is spreading from the top down. Lord have mercy on us.
Amen! I thank God that my minister, the Reverend Trevor Saggers left the Anglican Diocese of North Queensland and joined the Diocese of the Southern Cross under Bishop Glenn Davies, as the Northern Hope Anglican Church in Cairns.
The Anglican bishops condoned sin when they allowed Henry VIII to divorce and remarry which is adultery. They chose to serve the state rather than God.
I would prefer considering the lack of god's punitive vengeance in this life as unmerciful for allowing people to think they are loved and in a state of grace until they finally end in EQT in hell.
My humble question to our church leaders is, where were you fifty years ago? We didn't get to this situation by accident. We got here because true church leadership was missing in action.
Where were the bishops 500 years ago when they gave a free pass to the adultery of a mad king? The only bishop who stood up for Truth was St. John Fisher....
Thank you Dominic and thank you Peter. That perspective from Australia, including as you did, your understanding of the reactions from the faithful African anglicans was most useful to me. I am a theologically conservative C of E Lay Minister, who firmly rejects this significant, grievous error of the archbishops and a majority of the other bishops.
I also felt deep emotion when I asked at my local anglican church (& was told "we'd welcome it with open arms) as I left that church for the last time I was almost driven to tears for the church. 🙂
Hi Steve, I do think that we are in End Times with this horrible development. I think that the elevation of same gender marriage will continue to be the marker of a Secular, One World Church. God help us all.... I do hope that all Christians will join together at the Cross.... every blessing to you in the grief and loss of your home church. ...G Ire
I'm encouraged that many of us are being challenged to stand for a solid belief in the Scriptures (alone) and as The Lord Jesus Christ as the (only) Way to salvation. The current apostasy is not new because humankind has always believed it could act alone and without the need of a Saviour and Lord. What is different in our present climate is that many leaders of our Anglican Churches have been deluded and are following the Pied Piper of Lies down a humanistic, secular trail. Today, from the pulpit, I hear sin discounted, evil doesn't exist, and we're all bound for heaven because our loving God would never send anyone to Hell. The Cross has to be central and Jesus Christ must be Lord if I read my Bible aright. What is wonderful is that many are praying as never before. Many are considering Mission as never before. Take heart dear ones. You are not alone. Bless you wherever you live and especially if you are facing the present situation alone. God has many who have not bent the knee to another god of our own making.
The time has certainly and irrevocably and undeniably come for us in Australia to say we are out of fellowship with the bishops of Canterbury and York and London and the Church of England as an institution, but not with faithful individual Anglicans in the C of E, and maybe not with a (very) few bishops. Something like that.
'Out of fellowship' is far too mild a response in my view. What is being promulgated is a completely different religion which we must oppose just as Elijah opposed the prophets of Baal. Complete separation is the truly biblical response.
Stand still and stay true to the gospel and God, although the mother church of Anglican has fallen, the great sprit and tradition of Anglicanism shall persist in the remnant faithful. God have mercy on us.
I respect your comment Thomas as unlike most here there is not an ounce of blatant spite, hatred, hypocrisy, insanity, bigotry nor defamation in it unlike that of most of the Bible pounding scorners here full of passionate hate for their fellow man.and the idea that he might be a slightly different version of God's 'most intelligent' creation. (To date!)
Love it. We play to an audience of ONE & not to the society around us! Lord, as the world realigns itself & many depart from the faith once given, please keep those who cling to the truth of Your Word faithful till the end!
There is only one family and that is the body of Christ which can never be broken, get out of the natural institution and come together as the first followers did
The Church must be in the world but not of the world. The Church must lead and it’s flock follow the church. Love is for all people but marriage is for men and women.
" Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter " ISAIAH 5:20
As an Irish RC who has always had some fellow feeling for the C of E,in fact some of favourite writers were Anglican at least for part of their lives I think this is a very sad day and I hope and pray that the same doesn't happen to us in the near future though I fear it will, I can only imagine what Newman, Chesterton or Lewis would make of this
I too am afraid Bergoglio wants this for us Catholics. But it doesn't matter what he says: the deposit of faith is infallible and no-one can change it, ever.
@@alicepavey974 Very true Alice,up to now though no matter how bad or corrupt Popes were they left the faith alone but I'm beginning to doubt whether the present incumbent is Catholic in any meaningful way,all we can do is keep praying
the Catholic church must remain in communion with itself for all of history we can't change something that would cause a break in communion with the church through history.
@@MrPeach1 The wheat and the weeds must grow together, but when the weeds make their weediness obvious its may well be time to break fellowship. On the catholic matter, if Luther didn't break with Rome, Rome certainly broke with him and he and his churches went on to reform while Rome stayed in its error.
Who has the right or authority to tell people who they can or cannot love. Love has no boundaries apart from those made by man. People fall in love with people of different nationalities, ethnic groups and people of colour. There was a time in ceratin parts of the world, quite recently, where marriage between a black and a white person could not marry. Their love persevered and so will the love between between of the same gender. The Church tries to dimish love which has at the heart of Christ's message. I rejoice in the fact that two men or two women can express their love and receive God's blessing. Bless those with open hearts and also those rooted in the Book of Leviticus
2 Corinthians 6:14 "Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?" Psalm 1 "Blessed is the one who does not walk in step with the wicked, Or stand in the way that sinners take, Or sit in the company of mockers. But whose delight is in the law of the Lord and who meditates on His law day and night. That person is like a tree planted by streams of water, which yields fruit in season and whose leaf does not wither - whatever they do prospers. Not so the wicked! They are like chaff that the wind blows away. Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgement, nor the sinners in the assembly of the righteous. For the Lord watches over the way of the righteous, but the way of the wicked leads to destruction."
I'm late to comment here, but as an Irish RC, it saddens me to see where the COE is going. My mother in law is COI, same thing would apply here unfortunately. As a person over the half century mark, Pope Francis is the most Liberal Pope I've seen in my lifetime and it fills me with trepidation..
It’s hard enough feeling an odd-bod for not following the ways of the world. Very challenging for the faithful to find there is no longer sanctuary in the house. Seems the west has lost its way and Africa is the future of the traditionalists.
This is so painful. There are so many good communities in the Anglican church that hold the line. This is so bad. I remember an Anglican prophet tearing his dog collar in two at general synod some years ago, saying 'This is what I am going to do with the Church of England'.
How did the bishops pass ordination? To not believe the Word as is should surely be the standard not changeable cultural norms. Love always, yet always strive for holiness without which we cannot see the Lord.
@@ivandinsmore6217 please educate yourself before making ignorant statements. Charles is the head. The head is evil beyond description As the supreme governor, the monarch formally appoints high-ranking members of the church on the advice of the prime minister of the United Kingdom, who in turn acts on the advice of the Crown Nominations Commission.[1]
@@ivandinsmore6217 Thank you, Ivan, for your comment. King Charles is a very religious man, respectful of tradition, and, has a pastor's heart in his love for his people.
I listened to the address of the Archbishop of Canterbury listed below. Far from being impressed, I was disgusted by his shallowness and weakness. Instead of declaring the word of God and leading his flock, he with false humility parrots on the politically correct EU themes that none of us really know the truth so we should be careful to allow all interpretations to have a free run. Church discipline is not the abuse of power that he claims it is. St Paul asks the Corinthians " What do you prefer? Shall I come to you with a rod of discipline, or shall I come in love and with a gentle spirit?" Justin Welby is no Bishop Ambrose of Milan. The man is guilty of a great crime against the church and against Christ himself. His cowardice will be well remembered in posterity.
I do feel grieved with what is happening in the Anglican Church, although I am Roman Catholic from Croatia. As a young student of English I always admired English culture of 70 yrs ago penetrated by the Gospel and christianity. In communist Yugoslavia we weren't even alowed to mention Christmas. Yet I was struck by the fact that the beginning of Anglicanism is tied to king Henry VIII who persecuted and murdered many Christians and priests (so St. Thomas Moore). Has anybody ever repented and asked forgiveness for that on behalf of the Church of England? I believe that spiritually it would mean a lot. Lord, enlighten us and in this Lent bless us all with deep repentance and forgiveness.
Good point. I would also ask if the Roman Catholic leadership has asked forgiveness for burning people alive for following their faith. I would say the same towards Calvinists as well.
The Church of England has crossed the Rubicon. Praise God for Dr. Jensen. It sound as if there are like-minded pastors in the Anglican Church. They should lead an orthodox resurgence. I think it would bring people back to Christ and the Church the have largely abandoned. If the Church is no different than the culture, why bother?
“Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves. Matthew 10:16 LSB The church of England has successfully taught its membership only the latter - innocent as doves - and certain of its elite leaders only the former - shrewd as serpents. May she be an example and warning to all of us, and may all the sheep come out of her, and avoid the teeth of the wolves. May the Lord in his mercy grant us all greater discernment, and comfort you who are mourning now. I mourn with you.
In the case of what constitutes marriage, it's view on same sex relationships, and God's gender, the Bible is very clear. Unfortunately some people want to ignore these very clear scriptures. 2 Timothy 4 v 3-4 prophesied these days.
They twist and distort the meaning. They take things out of context and plainly ignore the message. They also distort the meaning of 'love'. They say 'love', when what they mean is erotic sex.
Have you read Numbers 31, I Samuel 15, or any of the scripture texts where God is portrayed as commanding genocide? Have you read later on in 1 Samuel with its warm portrayal of gay love?
I urge you ALL to keep in prayer and fasting without fainting. You cannot concur spiritual matters with human intelligence. We in AFRICA will keep praying for the whole of the United kingdom. Revival is coming !
To be honest, I am shocked and unable to comprehend how CoE got to this position, putting the world first, not our God! What is Holy is not necessarily legal! What is legal is not necessarily Holy! What is democratic is not necessarily Holy! What is Holy is not necessarily democratic!
@@josepholeary3286 Jesus believed that the Old Testament was divinely inspired, the veritable Word of God. He said, ‘The Scripture cannot be broken’ (John 10:35). He referred to Scripture as ‘the commandment of God’ (Matthew 15:3) and as the ‘Word of God’ (Mark 7:13). He also indicated that it was indestructible: ‘Until Heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the law, until all is accomplished’ (Matthew 5:18).
C. S. Lewis wrote " It used to be that the Clergy believed more than the laity but now it seems the Laity take care to conceal that they believe more than the Clergy." I left the Anglican church for a Bible-believing non-conformist one over 40 years ago because even then the Anglican church had many Vicars/Rectors who didn't believe most of the basic doctrinal truths of Christianity. Ichabod, The Glory has Gone.
On the day of the vote, the Church of England announced they are discussing changing the liturgy to gender neutral language. On the day of the Synod vote: "our parent who art in heaven".
Yes, I've heard about this. Jesus himself taught us to pray..Our Father.. You'd think that , and that God is referred to as male throughout the Bible would be enough.
Ridiculous stuff. This church of England is a joke. For many years they have been doing things against the Bible. Without the Bible there will be no church. Take away the Bible keep it sacred , stop attending and let the Bishops run the Churches as a night club for the Queer Gay crowd.
@@con_boy You're sounding like a Muslim Conrad. Read John 17:5. Jesus said...Now Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.. Who was with God before the world began? There are plenty of other verses too. In Matthew 28 at the great commission, Jesus asked the disciples to make disciples of all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father, and of the son, and of the Holy Spirit. .. The Father, the son and the Spirit are equal.
It's easier for me a retired C of E Vicar, persecuted to a breakdown by senior staff for upholding Biblical standards and thus leaving the C of E for one of the GAFCON convocations. I draw nearly 40 years of pension. However, when stipend housing and future pension are stake for men and women with families there are serious consequences. One of these I know well believes the situation is redeemable in the long term because of the youthful demographics of evangelical churches in the C of E compared to the liberals and so called progressives. There will come a time when liberals will be a minority and things may be rectified. Personally I'm not sure that this is the way it will play out, but I hope he may be right for the sake of many who have made the sacrifice to ordained ministry.
The call to repentance needs no apology. God is clear, to not repent has huge destructive connotations. God says this is MY way and I'm telling you to like it, this IS good news! I'm not going to argue with you either, nor debate, I set before you today life or darkness that leads to death. The wages of sin is death. But I tell you freely to choose life. You cannot have some pantomime world, some fantasy, that I will not entertain. God may give people time, but they still suffer. So better quickly to do all the Lord advises.
The Book of Malachi and Matthew's Gospel both state that to divorce and re-marry when your previous spouse is still alive is adultery. The sole exceptions are adultery or desertion by your ex-spouse. Yet the C of E allows remarriage and has done so for a while. Why didn't this departure from Scripture cross the Rubicon?
It did.. and it resulted in the separation of the Church in England from the Church of Rome 150 years of religious warfare and persecution on both sides with anti Catholic discrimination lasting until well into the 19th c.
It is difficult to specify when exactly the Rubicon was crossed; was it in 1930 when they abandoned 2,000 years of Church teaching in permitting artificial contraception, or was it in 1992 when they abandoned historical teaching by ordaining priestesses, perhaps even in 2002 when they started married people who were already married? Perhaps the Rubicon was crossed when Henry VIII nationalised the Church in England and made it a servant of the State rather than of God.
It starts in the hearts of men when they don't follow God and believe a mega institution can be defended from corruption by wolves in sheep's clothing.
Or maybe it was always there... all the kings of this world always had mistresses and children outside marriage but the church pretended not to see instead they were punishing harshly poor women who had been violated or so naïve to believe a promise. Women were punished never the men historically recorded! And now everyone is up in arm The lord has instructed forgiveness of sin every sin he has promoted people who made mistakes as messenger The woman at the well ,Peter who denied him 3 times, James his brother who thought Jesus was insane, and Paul who had killed Jesus followers. Listen no-one is beyond redemption. Churches blessing sinners that is fine maybe they will be touched nothing happens without God watching just pray for the world and hope. So many worse things are happening in this world: Greed Pride Idolatry Unbelief Murder (killing en masse.) This outcry is just based on the obsession church people seem to have with sex, sexual sins (Lust) are just like any other sins part of the human fall.
@@blacksnow129 It's not churches blessing sinners, it's churches blessing sin. Condoning sin means accepting sin. God does not want Christians to condone sin as sin only leads to pain, destruction, and separation from Him. The Bible tells us God hates sin (Proverbs 6:16-19), which means we should too. Do Not Condone Sin If a person condones sin, it means the person accepts, allows, and approves sin in their lives or in other people’s lives. While Christians are commanded not to judge others (Matthew 7:1), it does not mean Christians should condone sin. A person’s sin separates them from God as the Bible says, “But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear” (Isaiah 59:2). If you condone sin in your own life, it will separate you from God. Even as believers, our sin can separate us from God. Actively living in sin will cause a rift in our relationship with the Lord. When a person places faith in Christ, they are forgiven of their sins (Romans 6:23); however, the Lord does not want you to continue to live in sin. Jesus preached forgiveness of sins and repentance (Luke 5:31-32). In the same way, the Apostle Peter reaffirms the need for repentance, “Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord” (Acts 3:19). Repentance means to turn away from your sin and choose not to participate in the sin anymore. A person should not ask for forgiveness if their ulterior motive is to simply go on sinning. In Hebrews 10:26, it states, “For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins” (ESV). If the person continually commits the sin over and over again, it demonstrates that they are not truly remorseful over their sin. A person should intentionally and willingly accept Christ out of love for Jesus and their conscious decision to know they need Jesus as their Savior and Lord. Accepting Jesus to live a life of sin is not a Christian-focus life. When a person becomes a believer, they should want to do the right things in service to God. Good works do not save a person (Ephesians 2:8-9); however, good works are the result of knowing Christ (Matthew 7:15-20). Condoning sin is not part of the life God has for His children. The Lord hates all sin, evilness, and wickedness (Psalm 5:5, 11:5). Christians are not to condone sin as condoning sin means the Christian accepts the sin or possibly even celebrates the sin. Sin is nothing to be encouraged or celebrated. All people are sinners (Romans 3:23) and we will continue to struggle with sin throughout our lives, but the Lord does not want us to actively seek out sin and condone it. The Apostle Paul speaks about people condoning sin in the Book of Romans. Paul was proclaiming the truth of God’s Word to the Church of Rome, and he was telling them what happens when a person deliberately lives in sin and refuses to accept the truth of God’s Word (Romans 1:18-32). The people Paul was referring to had committed a myriad of sinful acts and were condoning those who practiced these sinful actions. Paul tells the Church of Rome about these people, “They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy” (Romans 1:29-31). Wicked, evil, sinful acts were being conducted by these individuals and they did not have any remorse for their wicked behavior. Paul continues to say, “Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them” (Romans 1:32). The individuals who Paul speaks about were aware of God’s commands; however, they deliberately ignored His commands, refused to follow His righteous decree, and approved of those who did the same things. This is clearly condoning sin and Paul does not represent condoning sin in a good light. As Christians, this still rings true for us today. We should never condone sin in our own lives or in other people’s lives. To condone sin would mean that you accept the sin, approve the sin, and even encourage the sin. Confronting Sin The Bible is clear that we should not judge others (Matthew 7:1); however, Christians are supposed to help each other when they are struggling. Galatians 6:1-2 says, “Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted. Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.” Sin is a major problem and as believers, we cannot simply look the other way. Jesus tells us specifically to have two or three believers first talk to the person in private and then if they do not listen to two or three believers in private, the two or three believers should take it before the church (Matthew 18:15-16). It can be difficult to approach a friend, family member, or another church member, but it is vitally important to talk to them. When you approach them, you need to speak the truth in kindness, humility, and love (Ephesians 4:15). Speaking the truth in love does not entail a prideful, hostile, or superior attitude when you are confronting your fellow Christian struggling in their sin. Believers should never tear down one another. Rather than being hostile or prideful, Christians need to always encourage and build each other up in love (1 Corinthians 16:14). After having that conversation, give them time to think on their own. The Holy Spirit will convict a person of their sin and lead them to repentance - that is not our job. Sometimes believers can grow to become cold and calloused to the Holy Spirit’s conviction that they do not feel His conviction anymore. As Christians, it is important to pray for each other, especially during these struggling times (James 5:16). It is never right to condone someone’s sin or to “overlook” the sin (Ibid.). Jesus informs us, “If your brother or sister sins against you, rebuke them; and if they repent, forgive them. Even if they sin against you seven times in a day and seven times come back to you saying, ‘I repent,’ you must forgive them” (Luke 17:3-4). The Lord does not tell us to condone the sin, but rather to rebuke it. If the individual chooses to repent, we should forgive them - even if they sin against us many times. Condoning sin is not an option for Christians as sin has no place in a Christian’s life. All Christians will continue to struggle with sin throughout our lives; however, we should never condone or encourage sinful actions. Any sinful act goes directly against God. It can be easy for people to rationalize their sin or to believe their sin does not hurt others, yet this could not be further from the truth. Our sin does affect others, ourselves, and God. If we condone sin in our lives or in other people’s lives, we are sinning against God. Even if we are not personally participating in sinful behavior, yet we approve of someone else doing the sinful behavior, we are sinning against God. If we know a friend or family member who is struggling with a sin in their life, we must not condone their sin. We cannot say the sin is “okay.” Sin is never “okay.” All sin has dire consequences, even for believers. Even though as believers we are forgiven of our sins and will spend eternity with Christ, there are consequences for our sins in our earthly lives as well as we can have rewards taken away during the Judgment Seat of Christ (Romans 14:20; 2 Corinthians 5:10). Condoning sin is never acceptable and should be discouraged in your own life. If you have condoned sin in the past, rest assured that it is never too late to change. You can stop condoning sin today by turning to God in repentance and asking Him to help you as you confront your loved ones struggling with sin in their own lives with an attitude of kindness, humility, and love.
@@Dante-vf4sd Thank you for taking the time to reply at length. My difficulty in this matter is more in the term of how sins seem to be classified, more often than not the commandment "You shall not commit adultery" is placed as the first commandment while in the Bible it is number seven. Also I am always cautious about referring to the Old Testament. If we were to follow the Old Testament we should convert to Judaism. Also Paul called the Gentiles to Christ message it must have been very difficult to accept Gentiles men and women lifestyle. Certainly the Greco-Roman culture was full of unacceptable sexual practices, sex with slaves, pederasty, and sex with prostitutes and with men prostitutes. (sex with slaves was ok for old testament Kings) The Bible is strangely silent about sex with young boys and with slaves which was common practice. Sex in Roman era was determined by a very definite hierarchy. The penetration was the act of superiority. To a Jewish scholar like Paul the idea that a man may be a passive sexual partner (because inferior in his society) must have been abhorrent both because of the Thora injunction and because of his cultural background. I always wonder why Christians refer to Leviticus in the Old Testament while it is obvious that no Christians can claim to respect the injunctions of the Old Testament. Christian men are not circumcised, do not eat Kosher food, women go to church when menstruating we deal in interest every day so on and so forth. So in fact we continuously pick and choose what we have to follow partly because Christ show us the path for simpler approach but also because we live in a modern society. The stance against sexual sins reflects both a laisser-faire in our society that we are powerless to stop and an easy way to show our devotion without having to deal with other sinful actions inherent to our modern society specifically the banking system, the exploitation of vulnerable young people, and drug issue. Should the church stop blessing people who are alcoholic drug addict, deal in interest or cohabiting all together? Shouldn't the evangelical Americans so ready to vociferate against homosexuals stop their country right to bear arms because of the injunction "You shall not kill" and the obvious connection between both. I always struggle with Paul because of his stance against women and his harshness. The fact that Paul is put at the same level than Christ by many Christians is bewildering to me and a constant struggle. When Jesus meet the woman at the well he does not condemn her but send her as his messenger to her community. When Christ stop the mob starting to stone the woman adulteress he stops it, one of the reasons was probably that in Judaism to condemn someone to death was a very stringent and complex matter requiring due process with 3 or 4 sound witnesses, always difficult in case of adultery or even murder. (this was also the reason perjury could be punishable by death in case involving capital punishment) The second reason was to dictate kindness and forgiveness toward the most vulnerable in society. Paul it seems turned this on its head maybe he thought it was the only way to try to discipline unruly gentiles to who he was sent to preach. I do not know of anyone who is struggling with homosexuality but I think it is not a worse sin than the terrible greed we see today. Should people who are in fact homosexual have to choose between having a life companion and being Christian?
@@blacksnow129 The issue with homosexual lifestyle and the other sexual related sins is that it's being pushed so strongly as acceptable in western societies unlike the others. All sin leads to death and separation from God. The key to understanding the relationship between the Christian and the Law is knowing that the Old Testament law was given to the nation of Israel, not to Christians. Some of the laws were to reveal to the Israelites how to obey and please God (the Ten Commandments, for example). Some of the laws were to show the Israelites how to worship God and atone for sin (the sacrificial system). Some of the laws were intended to make the Israelites distinct from other nations (the food and clothing rules). None of the Old Testament law is binding on Christians today. When Jesus died on the cross, He put an end to the Old Testament law (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23-25; Ephesians 2:15). In place of the Old Testament law, Christians are under the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2), which is to “love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind…and to love your neighbor as yourself” (Matthew 22:37-39). If we obey those two commands, we will be fulfilling all that Christ requires of us: “All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments” (Matthew 22:40). Now, this does not mean the Old Testament law is irrelevant today. Many of the commands in the Old Testament law fall into the categories of “loving God” and “loving your neighbor.” The Old Testament law can be a good guidepost for knowing how to love God and knowing what goes into loving your neighbor. At the same time, to say that the Old Testament law applies to Christians today is incorrect. The Old Testament law is a unit (James 2:10). Either all of it applies, or none of it applies. If Christ fulfilled some of it, such as the sacrificial system, He fulfilled all of it. “This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome” (1 John 5:3). The Ten Commandments were essentially a summary of the entire Old Testament law. Nine of the Ten Commandments are clearly repeated in the New Testament (all except the command to observe the Sabbath day). Obviously, if we are loving God, we will not be worshiping false gods or bowing down before idols. If we are loving our neighbors, we will not be murdering them, lying to them, committing adultery against them, or coveting what belongs to them. The purpose of the Old Testament law is to convict people of our inability to keep the law and point us to our need for Jesus Christ as Savior (Romans 7:7-9; Galatians 3:24). The Old Testament law was never intended by God to be the universal law for all people for all of time. We are to love God and love our neighbors. If we obey those two commands faithfully, we will be upholding all that God requires of us. Christians shouldnt stop blessing anyone, they should not bless their sinful choices though, for the reasons I explained in my previous comment, they should be calling them to repent of it and share the good news just as Jesus did to the woman caught in adultery and to the lame man at the well. Paul shouldn't be placed at the same level as Christ, that's not my experience of those who follow Christ, but His words are God's inspired and his authority is given by first Christ and later supported by other apostles so his words are to be taken as Truth. Do you struggle with God because of his stance with women in Genesis 3:16? What about when Paul says we are to love our wives as Christ loves His church, does this strike you as hard on women? Jesus used women to share the news of His presence for several reasons, one of which was because he honours and loves them in their roles and another is because the validity of a woman's words at that time was less than males, that makes the accounts more convincing because you wouldn't like about something and say that. Just because God created us as men and women for different roles as a general theme, a woman as a help mate to the man, doesn't mean they are valued less by those who follow through with honouring Gods intents. If one is to become a follower of Christ we must all turn from our sins, it is difficult to turn from what our flesh wants but only through Christ is this possible, I have a weakness to sexual sins as well, I was bisexual and have a huge weakness to lust, I know that it harms me and separates me from God who sacrificed so much more for me so that I could live and be with Him, I don't want anyone to bless my son, I want them to bless me to stay away from it. Conviction of sin is the work of the Holy Spirit after being born again. God bless you my friend.
The fact is that the CofE has now embraced a completely different religion - one in which there can be gospel (i.e. good news) because for practising homosexuals and lesbians there is no longer any bad news, i.e. no condemnation if their activities as sin.
This how one was placed before God Allmighty A Visionary in spirit was instructed by the Holy Spirit to kneel with both the hands straight down at the sides, palms open & facing forward, head lifted up when he sees a Dark & Frightening Cloud above, and from his mouth uttered " The Lords Prayer " as Jesus taught, no any other words, Thats all Note, before the presence of the Allmighty God even the hands are not raised,
2 Chronicles 7:14 If MY PEOPLE WHO ARE CALLED BY NAME, will turn from THEIR wicked ways, humble themselves, seek my face and pray, THEN will I hear from heaven, forgive THEIR sins and heal their land.” Is it unreasonable to say but not until then?
We became outcasts in our own local church for holding to scripture. Had to leave. The wokeness trickled down, not in stated doctrine but in spirit. Such blindness.
Racism, Slavery, murder of dissidents, genocide, and antisemitism have been lavishly justified by scriptural quotes and church documents -- pretending it is not so only increases the bad odor
I am a Roman Catholic, and l am so proud of you, The Church of England : l stand with you and l love you for standing up for your belief. ... The Truth. May God bless you all and strengthen your Faith❤ "Well done, good and faithfull servant " All Christians need to pray for the break-away flock! They are still our brothers and sisters!
Hi from England, your conversation is helpful in understanding this. However, I don't get the bit where you appeal to 'tradition'. That means appealing to the church's constant interpretation of doctrine, including as presented in Scripture. The Reformation was about ditching that in favour of Sola Scriptura. I'm Catholic myself, but appreciate the CofE as a kind of last official bastion of Christianity in our country's howling secular landscape. It looks like that comfort blanket has just been torn away.
The Reformation and its central doctrine of Sola scriptura were not about throwing all church tradition away, that attitude has only become common within Protestantism in the last couple of centuries. The reformers frequently cited the Church Fathers, and considered their writings to be very useful. Martin Chemnitz's response to the Council of Trent, for example, identifies multiple different senses in which the Fathers talked about tradition, and agreed with most of those. The Reformers' actual innovation was that they used scripture as the standard to discern whether the traditions being handed down in their generation were Apostolic or merely later innovations, whilst the Catholics were (and remain) committed to interpreting scripture through the lens of those traditions.
You cannot have "fellowship" with determined ignorant darkness. That force is a threat, to real faith. St Paulus is crystal clear, as is all of scripture, to please God, to be liked and blessed by God, you must turn from all sin. The blessing is God enabling you to do that. If you are blessed by a church, you start turning around, in order to walk properly in the light, and not one foot still in darkness. Half a horse cannot pull a cart.
God’s sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ is for everyone, and so is his love. His word is his will for us which leads to salvation. Our will needs to be surrendered to become sons and daughters of his holy family, he is the way, the truth and the life. Bible preaches must know this to be Christian.
Every human being never know what will happen in the future ,anyting can happen in this World, don't be proud of apostasy ,it has be proven by the earhquake in Palu, Sulawesi island, the mass of people buried alive.
They are forcing God to bless Sin , they have not read the divided kingdom the kings of the promise land. Woe to those who did nkt stay close to God and success and peace to those who learned the one Principle, those who stay close to God he stayed close to them, and they prospered they had peace abundance he fought their fights and he came to earth born in the person of Jesus Christ, went to the cross and died to show us his much he loved us . . The Bible changes lives , it changed mine . I felt grief, I cried. This is wrong .
Looking, from the outside now, at what's happening in the Church of England, I understand the anger and hurt you describe, and empathize, for it returns to me the memory of my own departure from the Episcopal Church in the U.S. over 20 years ago. I recognize the sense of separation that you are undergoing. While you may not have had time to reflect fully on the situation, I do get the sense that the C of E is indeed crossing a rubicon at this time. My response was to become Orthodox, Ecumenical jurisdiction, of Greek rubrics in my parish. There's nothing particularly important about "eastern", or jurisdiction, or Greek. It's "Orthodox" that counts. That is the faith, a faith shared among jurisdictions and bishops. I think the C of E is uniquely positioned in the Protestant world to recognize that essential structure as related to its own. I must say that my prayers are with you as you consider what you must do as time goes on. May God lead you, and may He bless you with insight and wisdom. Remember that Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Despite the Protestant focus on the Bible, the Bible itself focusses us on Christ, on the Holy Trinity, on the Holy Spirit Who leads us into all truth, Christ's own helper Whom He sent to the Church. I'm afraid I cannot offer any words of comfort about restorations or holding doctrinal positions. We live in a society that rejects Christianity forcefully, and its opinions and viewpoints affect us all and have seeped into the church. For salvation, the only answer is Christ Who saves; not even the Bible can do that. The Bible itself tells us this. Thus, I can promise you only whatever heartache, disappointment, anguish, fear, anger, or other cross you have to bear, as the crucible which will assist you in sorting out what comes next. I have gone through my original crucible, so I know it from experience. And I find that it is the pattern of the Christian life that leads to salvation. For the Orthodox Church has experienced it many times through history, and yet holds true to the faith. Think of Athanasius of Alexandria, who was exiled six times, removed from his seat as Archbishop of Alexandria by the powers of the church, for opposing the heresy of Arianism. He was not alone in the opposition, but nearly so. Yet after much strife, the Church prevailed against the assaults that bore down on it, as God upheld the few who held to the truth. Before that, it prevailed against the persecutions of the pagans in Rome. But, as a priest once said to me, it has often been that the most devastating persecutions in history have come from within the Church. To be Christian is to face the very un-English unpleasantness of a brutal world. We in the west are so soft! We must learn to put on the armor of Christ, and do battle within our own souls to remain true to Him. Then we will be able to face those among us, and those outside, and stand firm, but not in hate or violence, rather in a love that bears all without flinching. May God be with you all as you embark on the journeys given to you, that though you walk through the valley of the shadow of death, He lead you beside the still waters.
Follow the book of truth, our bible. Matthew 12:25 when a house stands divided, it cannot stand, Jesus word. Gods anger against sin, Romans chapter 1 verses 18 to 32 this explains everything, scripture cannot be wrong or changed, the union of man and women is to be one in flesh. I love the bible, read and this will give you hope, peace and salvation. God bless you both for this interview. 😮😮😮
Perhaps something also needs to be said about the sheer basic intellectual and spiritual calibre of the people - as people - currently leading the Church of England. "If I forget thee, O Jesusalem, may my right hand (and my mind) lose it's skill"!!
Thank you for standing on the truth of God's word. We cannot please the culture of the day. We are to obey and please our God.
The truth of God’s word states that to divorce and remarry makes you an adulterer. The CoE crossed the rubicon in the 1500’s when they served the state rather than God.
@Moses King Jesus, when questioned about divorce and remarriage stated that it was permissable if there was sexual infidelity. If you remember that the penalty for adultery was death. So the partner in a marriage guilty would have been killed, leaving the other a widow or widower. Hence permitting them to marry. Because that law was not being carried out, the principal still stands.
@@normafarmer3254 Correct
these two are NOT standing they are sitting, wringing their hands and capitualting
@@normafarmer3254 A bloodthirsty comment, wildly alien to the principles of Jesus
For ordinary Christians in England it is tempting to think that we have no influence whatsoever with the bishops. But I've emailed them and they do read what I have to say and they do reply. Let's encourage tens of thousands of Bible-believing Godly Christians to fill the inboxes of the liberal bishops with this clear message: That what God's Word calls sin is sin, and that sin is never to be encouraged, celebrated or blessed.
I urge you ALL to keep in prayer and fasting without fainting. You cannot concur spiritual matters with human intelligence.
@@J_a_s_o_n Bible believing folk should know their Bible, the story of David and Jonathan outweighs the skimpy utterances they put to the fore.
@@J_a_s_o_n Absolutely. This is a spiritual battle.
@@josepholeary3286 Ah yes, such a wonderful enduring friendship. צַר־לִי עָלֶיךָ אָחִי יְהֹונָתָן נָעַמְתָּ לִּי מְאֹד נִפְלְאַתָה אַהֲבָֽתְךָ לִי מֵאַהֲבַת נָשִֽׁים׃
Amen & Amen. You’ve nailed it.
God, have mercy on England 🙏 please remember us in your prayers..
It’s too late for the CofE
If you pray, but take no action, you have an empty faith.
Stop supporting a church that has turned its back on the Bible.
@@Kyle-sr6jm very true! That’s the main issue with mainstream Protestantism and modern Anglicanism. They just pretend to say “love Jesus” and go on in sin
2 Chronicles 7:14
If MY PEOPLE WHO ARE CALLED BY NAME, will turn from THEIR wicked ways, humble themselves, seek my face and pray, THEN will I hear from heaven, forgive THEIR sins and heal their land.”
Is it unreasonable to say but not until then?
I'm a believer in Jesus Christ, of the reformed tradition but am not a member of an Anglican church. However, I found this channel when I heard the decision on SSM blessings and prayers. It is so comforting to hear your reactions, from sadness to remaining faithful to the Bible's teachings. Thank you for this video and discussion. All God's children who accept Jesus' sacrifice for their sin and adhere to the Bible's truth, no matter which denominational church building we meet in, are together in unity and sadness with you. This kind of false belief undermines Jesus' teaching and therefore affects every one of his children. ❤
Thank you Dr. Jensen for being a leader in the orthodox and evangelical ethos of the Anglican communion. Your responses are extremely thoughtful and call us to remain faithful to the authority of Scripture and the apostolic foundation of teaching and orthodoxy.
If the Church of England stayed true to the authority of scripture, what about Matt 5 which states that to divorce a woman and marry another is adultery? The CoE crossed the rubicon in the 1500’s when they served the state rather than God.
Get a grip. Jesus cured the gay slave friend of the Roman Centurian.
@@stananders474 your arrogant asinine attitude really is incredible.
It really is grief. I'm the son of a CofE verger, grew up cleaning the building, now grieving. England is loosing it; GAFCON send us missionaries! The workers are few and the ground is so hard and rocky.
yes, it is heartbreaking! we need spiritually led missionaries for revival!
@@shans4270 The Lord saves His people one at a time .
He needs no more Arminians teaching their unbiblical lies .
You read and believe the Bible yourself , and make your calling and election sure .
The priesthood was made redundant when the curtain at the Holy of Holies was ripped apart !
Our only priest is the Son of God , who is seated on the right hand of the Father in heaven .
He intercedes for us , while His enemies are being made a footstool for His feet .
Run from your cult before it reunites with the abomination in Rome .
@@malcolmscrivener8750 Ephesians chapter 4:11 " the words of Christ "
I have met with gloating from unbelievers. Stand firm all who accept THE WORD. 'You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.'
Ridiculous stuff. This church of England is a joke. For many years they have been doing things against the Bible. Without the Bible there will be no church.
Take away the Bible keep it sacred , stop attending and let the Bishops run the Churches as a night club for the Queer Gay crowd.
I am a young, born-again Christian in my late fifties. The Bible speaks to us even after 10 years. I am still learning. However, the Bible is clear on sin and the need for repentance in order for God to open our eyes to the truth. One day we will all face God and account for our time on earth. Death does not have a hold on me anymore. But it does not mean I fold my arms and relax, as the world increasingly rejects the Bible and Jesus Christ's teachings. We must pray for the future more than ever to ensure as many people make it to the new Kingdom.
The Church of England has let us down. I am slowly coming to terms with what has happened. I was so sad, and I feel sad for God.
However, the good news is that we have our prayers, and no one can take that away. Therefore, let's continue praying for the Church of England, family, friends, etc. to uphold God's authority and for future generations.
God is with us always and forever.
Sandie, London, United Kingdom
God has given C of E up.
This "blessing" is a matter of deep grief for all English Christians whether members of the C of E or non-comformists. The C of E is profoundly integrated into English politics and society and has enormous influence in our nation. The bishops have a strong representation in the House of Lords and are able to influence the laws of the land. Many of the best schools are C of E managed and are supposed to have a Christian ethos. Above all the bishops are the voice of the church to the nation and at the moment what the nation is hearing is that Christ's redeemed people believe that same sex unions are not sinful.
The Christian leadership of our nation is condoning sin (also including transgender ideology) and are not standing against the corruption that is spreading from the top down.
Lord have mercy on us.
Amen! I thank God that my minister, the Reverend Trevor Saggers left the Anglican Diocese of North Queensland and joined the Diocese of the Southern Cross under Bishop Glenn Davies, as the Northern Hope Anglican Church in Cairns.
The Anglican bishops condoned sin when they allowed Henry VIII to divorce and remarry which is adultery. They chose to serve the state rather than God.
I would prefer considering the lack of god's punitive vengeance in this life as unmerciful for allowing people to think they are loved and in a state of grace until they finally end in EQT in hell.
@@mosesking2923 I thought technically the marriages were annulled rather than divorced.
Also, doesn’t the Bible say not to marry your brother’s wife? And that was why Henry VIII had to get permission.
My humble question to our church leaders is, where were you fifty years ago? We didn't get to this situation by accident. We got here because true church leadership was missing in action.
Where were the bishops 500 years ago when they gave a free pass to the adultery of a mad king? The only bishop who stood up for Truth was St. John Fisher....
@@mosesking2923they were beheaded along with Thomas More
Slowly watering down Gods Word so as to not offend anyone.It wont end well for the church.
I know I will be shot down for saying this, but the Church of England is in the grip of radical feminism
why are you "humble"? why not outraged & angered as Christ calls you to be?
Betrayal is absolutely the right word - betrayal of Christ. I suspect there Wil be massive defections and disassociations globally as a result.
I am an American Catholic and am praying for all of you in England!
Thank you Dominic and thank you Peter. That perspective from Australia, including as you did, your understanding of the reactions from the faithful African anglicans was most useful to me. I am a theologically conservative C of E Lay Minister, who firmly rejects this significant, grievous error of the archbishops and a majority of the other bishops.
I also felt deep emotion when I asked at my local anglican church (& was told "we'd welcome it with open arms) as I left that church for the last time I was almost driven to tears for the church. 🙂
Hi Steve, I do think that we are in End Times with this horrible development. I think that the elevation of same gender marriage will continue to be the marker of a Secular, One World Church. God help us all.... I do hope that all Christians will join together at the Cross.... every blessing to you in the grief and loss of your home church. ...G Ire
I'm encouraged that many of us are being challenged to stand for a solid belief in the Scriptures (alone) and as The Lord Jesus Christ as the (only) Way to salvation. The current apostasy is not new because humankind has always believed it could act alone and without the need of a Saviour and Lord. What is different in our present climate is that many leaders of our Anglican Churches have been deluded and are following the Pied Piper of Lies down a humanistic, secular trail. Today, from the pulpit, I hear sin discounted, evil doesn't exist, and we're all bound for heaven because our loving God would never send anyone to Hell. The Cross has to be central and Jesus Christ must be Lord if I read my Bible aright. What is wonderful is that many are praying as never before. Many are considering Mission as never before. Take heart dear ones. You are not alone. Bless you wherever you live and especially if you are facing the present situation alone. God has many who have not bent the knee to another god of our own making.
We are praying for England. May God bring clarity and conviction to the hearts of her church leaders.
Thank you. It hurts, but thank you for support, clarity, perspective and love.
Thank you Dr Jenson for your courage and integrity in defending our faith.
All respect for Canterbury is gone. CofE, R.I.P.
The time has certainly and irrevocably and undeniably come for us in Australia to say we are out of fellowship with the bishops of Canterbury and York and London and the Church of England as an institution, but not with faithful individual Anglicans in the C of E, and maybe not with a (very) few bishops. Something like that.
And now changing God's gender, wow!!
'Out of fellowship' is far too mild a response in my view. What is being promulgated is a completely different religion which we must oppose just as Elijah opposed the prophets of Baal. Complete separation is the truly biblical response.
@@alanhowe1455 You are probably right, but I don't want to be out of fellowship with the faithful people who remain in the C of E.
Maybe it’s time to give Islam a try! They still hate them over there!
@@donaldbush1182 Who hates whom?
Stand still and stay true to the gospel and God, although the mother church of Anglican has fallen, the great sprit and tradition of Anglicanism shall persist in the remnant faithful. God have mercy on us.
I respect your comment Thomas as unlike most here there is not an ounce of blatant spite, hatred, hypocrisy, insanity, bigotry nor defamation in it unlike that of most of the Bible pounding scorners here full of passionate hate for their fellow man.and the idea that he might be a slightly different version of God's 'most intelligent' creation. (To date!)
CHRIST IS RISEN!
Love it. We play to an audience of ONE & not to the society around us! Lord, as the world realigns itself & many depart from the faith once given, please keep those who cling to the truth of Your Word faithful till the end!
Well said.
If those in GB quit going to church, thus refusing to fund a degraded institution, surely the Archbishops would have to back down.
Go somewhere else to church I guess you mean. That’s fine there is a body of Christ to fellowship with.
You are definitely not stupid, dear fellow Christian. It is like a family being split apart and should cause grief and righteous anger.
There is only one family and that is the body of Christ which can never be broken, get out of the natural institution and come together as the first followers did
The Church must be in the world but not of the world. The Church must lead and it’s flock follow the church. Love is for all people but marriage is for men and women.
I’m afraid that Western Bishops have lost testicular fortitude. Sad.
" Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter "
ISAIAH 5:20
Once the Anglican Church abandoned the orthodox understanding of priesthood/episcopal succession it was all “ down hill after”!
The Bible is quite honest about both the human propensity to distort or refuse GOD's revelation and the consequences that result.
Jesus overturned tables and rebuked religious leaders. Where are the men with spine today?
As an Irish RC who has always had some fellow feeling for the C of E,in fact some of favourite writers were Anglican at least for part of their lives I think this is a very sad day and I hope and pray that the same doesn't happen to us in the near future though I fear it will, I can only imagine what Newman, Chesterton or Lewis would make of this
I too am afraid Bergoglio wants this for us Catholics. But it doesn't matter what he says: the deposit of faith is infallible and no-one can change it, ever.
@@alicepavey974 Very true Alice,up to now though no matter how bad or corrupt Popes were they left the faith alone but I'm beginning to doubt whether the present incumbent is Catholic in any meaningful way,all we can do is keep praying
Both Chesterton and Lewis would have had some withering humorous/serious words to say on this tragedy. I wish I could think of some.
the Catholic church must remain in communion with itself for all of history we can't change something that would cause a break in communion with the church through history.
@@MrPeach1 The wheat and the weeds must grow together, but when the weeds make their weediness obvious its may well be time to break fellowship. On the catholic matter, if Luther didn't break with Rome, Rome certainly broke with him and he and his churches went on to reform while Rome stayed in its error.
Who has the right or authority to tell people who they can or cannot love. Love has no boundaries apart from those made by man. People fall in love with people of different nationalities, ethnic groups and people of colour. There was a time in ceratin parts of the world, quite recently, where marriage between a black and a white person could not marry. Their love persevered and so will the love between between of the same gender. The Church tries to dimish love which has at the heart of Christ's message. I rejoice in the fact that two men or two women can express their love and receive God's blessing. Bless those with open hearts and also those rooted in the Book of Leviticus
Have these people in the in authority forgotten that ALL of us must stand before Christ one day and give an account of our lives.
2 Corinthians 6:14
"Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common?
Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?"
Psalm 1
"Blessed is the one who does not walk in step with the wicked,
Or stand in the way that sinners take,
Or sit in the company of mockers.
But whose delight is in the law of the Lord
and who meditates on His law day and night.
That person is like a tree planted by streams of water,
which yields fruit in season and whose leaf
does not wither
- whatever they do prospers.
Not so the wicked!
They are like chaff that the wind blows away. Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgement,
nor the sinners in the assembly of the righteous.
For the Lord watches over the way of the righteous,
but the way of the wicked leads to destruction."
I'm late to comment here, but as an Irish RC, it saddens me to see where the COE is going. My mother in law is COI, same thing would apply here unfortunately. As a person over the half century mark, Pope Francis is the most Liberal Pope I've seen in my lifetime and it fills me with trepidation..
saddened? why not angered and activated?
This pope is worse than the Borgia popes, at least they didn't try to change doctrine.
It’s hard enough feeling an odd-bod for not following the ways of the world. Very challenging for the faithful to find there is no longer sanctuary in the house. Seems the west has lost its way and Africa is the future of the traditionalists.
I hope this doesn't sound harsh, but I'm surprised that you are surprised at this development. Im in mourning for the church as I am for my nation..
This is so painful. There are so many good communities in the Anglican church that hold the line. This is so bad. I remember an Anglican prophet tearing his dog collar in two at general synod some years ago, saying 'This is what I am going to do with the Church of England'.
..."....and receive God's blessing." Synods can resolve what they will but God has already told us His point of view
St John Fisher Bishop of Rochester and St Thomas More pray for England.
How did the bishops pass ordination? To not believe the Word as is should surely be the standard not changeable cultural norms. Love always, yet always strive for holiness without which we cannot see the Lord.
With Charles on the throne, there can be nothing but desolation for the COE
My heart is broken
What has Charles got to do with anything? If he wasn't on the throne things would be infinitely worse.
@@ivandinsmore6217 please educate yourself before making ignorant statements. Charles is the head. The head is evil beyond description
As the supreme governor, the monarch formally appoints high-ranking members of the church on the advice of the prime minister of the United Kingdom, who in turn acts on the advice of the Crown Nominations Commission.[1]
@@ivandinsmore6217 Thank you, Ivan, for your comment. King Charles is a very religious man, respectful of tradition, and, has a pastor's heart in his love for his people.
I fear his son will do any better.
Lots of this garbage went on when the Queen was alive, they have little control of it.
I listened to the address of the Archbishop of Canterbury listed below. Far from being impressed, I was disgusted by his shallowness and weakness. Instead of declaring the word of God and leading his flock, he with false humility parrots on the politically correct EU themes that none of us really know the truth so we should be careful to allow all interpretations to have a free run. Church discipline is not the abuse of power that he claims it is. St Paul asks the Corinthians " What do you prefer? Shall I come to you with a rod of discipline, or shall I come in love and with a gentle spirit?" Justin Welby is no Bishop Ambrose of Milan. The man is guilty of a great crime against the church and against Christ himself. His cowardice will be well remembered in posterity.
Evil has set in across the globe. This is an abomination.
Look in the mirror
Beautiful. Brings hope in times of grief.
This kind gentleman on the left leaves out the divorced who have chosen not to remarry , also - being obedient to Christ’s teaching.
Iccabod... the glory of the Lord has long since departed
Queen will be weeping
I do feel grieved with what is happening in the Anglican Church, although I am Roman Catholic from Croatia. As a young student of English I always admired English culture of 70 yrs ago penetrated by the Gospel and christianity. In communist Yugoslavia we weren't even alowed to mention Christmas. Yet I was struck by the fact that the beginning of Anglicanism is tied to king Henry VIII who persecuted and murdered many Christians and priests (so St. Thomas Moore). Has anybody ever repented and asked forgiveness for that on behalf of the Church of England? I believe that spiritually it would mean a lot. Lord, enlighten us and in this Lent bless us all with deep repentance and forgiveness.
Good point. I would also ask if the Roman Catholic leadership has asked forgiveness for burning people alive for following their faith. I would say the same towards Calvinists as well.
@@krisjustin3884 I do not think the Roman Catholic leadership has been holy. Far from that! In fact forgiveness was asked in jubilar yeae 2000 for man
for many bad things done, in general and for some particular cases. Never enough though.
@@talitakumi8679 There is no perfect church. Thank you for your comments!
@@krisjustin3884 let's try to be as holy as possible ourselves to make Christ's Church better!
The Church of England has crossed the Rubicon. Praise God for Dr. Jensen. It sound as if there are like-minded pastors in the Anglican Church. They should lead an orthodox resurgence. I think it would bring people back to Christ and the Church the have largely abandoned. If the Church is no different than the culture, why bother?
“Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves.
Matthew 10:16 LSB
The church of England has successfully taught its membership only the latter - innocent as doves - and certain of its elite leaders only the former - shrewd as serpents.
May she be an example and warning to all of us, and may all the sheep come out of her, and avoid the teeth of the wolves.
May the Lord in his mercy grant us all greater discernment, and comfort you who are mourning now. I mourn with you.
Those people who have ‘read’ the bible, need to read it again! This wrong by every measure that matters!
In the case of what constitutes marriage, it's view on same sex relationships, and God's gender, the Bible is very clear. Unfortunately some people want to ignore these very clear scriptures. 2 Timothy 4 v 3-4 prophesied these days.
They twist and distort the meaning. They take things out of context and plainly ignore the message. They also distort the meaning of 'love'. They say 'love', when what they mean is erotic sex.
Have you read Numbers 31, I Samuel 15, or any of the scripture texts where God is portrayed as commanding genocide? Have you read later on in 1 Samuel with its warm portrayal of gay love?
@@WHU63 Not so at all, it warmly applauds David and Jonathan's relationships
I urge you ALL to keep in prayer and fasting without fainting. You cannot concur spiritual matters with human intelligence.
We in AFRICA will keep praying for the whole of the United kingdom.
Revival is coming !
To be honest, I am shocked and unable to comprehend how CoE got to this position, putting the world first, not our God!
What is Holy is not necessarily legal!
What is legal is not necessarily Holy!
What is democratic is not necessarily Holy!
What is Holy is not necessarily democratic!
I wonder if the Lord is sifting the CofE to bring out a remnant that follows Him in spirit & in truth.
When remnant groups take root in a parish, the ordinary moderate catholic faithful FLEE!
It is going to split the Anglican communion and church of England and the rubicon has been crossed
End times
Faithful to God and His inspired Words the Bible
GOD'S word is eternal, we cannot change it to fit our world views and to justify our sins!!!
We have to change it when it pushes us to sin, and even Jesus did so!
@@josepholeary3286 Jesus believed that the Old Testament was divinely inspired, the veritable Word of God. He said, ‘The Scripture cannot be broken’ (John 10:35). He referred to Scripture as ‘the commandment of God’ (Matthew 15:3) and as the ‘Word of God’ (Mark 7:13). He also indicated that it was indestructible: ‘Until Heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the law, until all is accomplished’ (Matthew 5:18).
C. S. Lewis wrote " It used to be that the Clergy believed more than the laity but now it seems the Laity take care to conceal that they believe more than the Clergy." I left the Anglican church for a Bible-believing non-conformist one over 40 years ago because even then the Anglican church had many Vicars/Rectors who didn't believe most of the basic doctrinal truths of Christianity. Ichabod, The Glory has Gone.
On the day of the vote, the Church of England announced they are discussing changing the liturgy to gender neutral language. On the day of the Synod vote: "our parent who art in heaven".
Yes, I've heard about this. Jesus himself taught us to pray..Our Father.. You'd think that , and that God is referred to as male throughout the Bible would be enough.
@31ohara Jesus was a man, he called God the Father and Jesus is the husband of the Church.
Ridiculous stuff. This church of England is a joke. For many years they have been doing things against the Bible. Without the Bible there will be no church.
Take away the Bible keep it sacred , stop attending and let the Bishops run the Churches as a night club for the Queer Gay crowd.
@@con_boy You're sounding like a Muslim Conrad. Read John 17:5. Jesus said...Now Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.. Who was with God before the world began? There are plenty of other verses too. In Matthew 28 at the great commission, Jesus asked the disciples to make disciples of all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father, and of the son, and of the Holy Spirit. .. The Father, the son and the Spirit are equal.
@@WHU63 Conrad++ didn't say Jesus wasn't divine. He certainly was and still is a man.
It's easier for me a retired C of E Vicar, persecuted to a breakdown by senior staff for upholding Biblical standards and thus leaving the C of E for one of the GAFCON convocations. I draw nearly 40 years of pension. However, when stipend housing and future pension are stake for men and women with families there are serious consequences. One of these I know well believes the situation is redeemable in the long term because of the youthful demographics of evangelical churches in the C of E compared to the liberals and so called progressives. There will come a time when liberals will be a minority and things may be rectified. Personally I'm not sure that this is the way it will play out, but I hope he may be right for the sake of many who have made the sacrifice to ordained ministry.
The Lord is sorting out His people. Those who believe Him and those who don’t. It’s happening in other areas too not just the CO E.
To stay chaste as a Christian is not a sacrifice but a blessing of holiness. However, I understand what you are saying.
The call to repentance needs no apology. God is clear, to not repent has huge destructive connotations. God says this is MY way and I'm telling you to like it, this IS good news! I'm not going to argue with you either, nor debate, I set before you today life or darkness that leads to death. The wages of sin is death. But I tell you freely to choose life. You cannot have some pantomime world, some fantasy, that I will not entertain. God may give people time, but they still suffer. So better quickly to do all the Lord advises.
The Book of Malachi and Matthew's Gospel both state that to divorce and re-marry when your previous spouse is still alive is adultery. The sole exceptions are adultery or desertion by your ex-spouse. Yet the C of E allows remarriage and has done so for a while. Why didn't this departure from Scripture cross the Rubicon?
Fine point, and having a king or queen to be the head of the church is also a crossing over a line.
It did.. and it resulted in the separation of the Church in England from the Church of Rome 150 years of religious warfare and persecution on both sides with anti Catholic discrimination lasting until well into the 19th c.
It is difficult to specify when exactly the Rubicon was crossed; was it in 1930 when they abandoned 2,000 years of Church teaching in permitting artificial contraception, or was it in 1992 when they abandoned historical teaching by ordaining priestesses, perhaps even in 2002 when they started married people who were already married? Perhaps the Rubicon was crossed when Henry VIII nationalised the Church in England and made it a servant of the State rather than of God.
It starts in the hearts of men when they don't follow God and believe a mega institution can be defended from corruption by wolves in sheep's clothing.
Or maybe it was always there... all the kings of this world always had mistresses and children outside marriage but the church pretended not to see instead they were punishing harshly poor women who had been violated or so naïve to believe a promise. Women were punished never the men historically recorded! And now everyone is up in arm The lord has instructed forgiveness of sin every sin he has promoted people who made mistakes as messenger The woman at the well ,Peter who denied him 3 times, James his brother who thought Jesus was insane, and Paul who had killed Jesus followers. Listen no-one is beyond redemption. Churches blessing sinners that is fine maybe they will be touched nothing happens without God watching just pray for the world and hope. So many worse things are happening in this world: Greed Pride Idolatry Unbelief Murder (killing en masse.) This outcry is just based on the obsession church people seem to have with sex, sexual sins (Lust) are just like any other sins part of the human fall.
@@blacksnow129 It's not churches blessing sinners, it's churches blessing sin.
Condoning sin means accepting sin. God does not want Christians to condone sin as sin only leads to pain, destruction, and separation from Him. The Bible tells us God hates sin (Proverbs 6:16-19), which means we should too.
Do Not Condone Sin
If a person condones sin, it means the person accepts, allows, and approves sin in their lives or in other people’s lives. While Christians are commanded not to judge others (Matthew 7:1), it does not mean Christians should condone sin.
A person’s sin separates them from God as the Bible says, “But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear” (Isaiah 59:2). If you condone sin in your own life, it will separate you from God. Even as believers, our sin can separate us from God.
Actively living in sin will cause a rift in our relationship with the Lord. When a person places faith in Christ, they are forgiven of their sins (Romans 6:23); however, the Lord does not want you to continue to live in sin.
Jesus preached forgiveness of sins and repentance (Luke 5:31-32). In the same way, the Apostle Peter reaffirms the need for repentance, “Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord” (Acts 3:19). Repentance means to turn away from your sin and choose not to participate in the sin anymore.
A person should not ask for forgiveness if their ulterior motive is to simply go on sinning. In Hebrews 10:26, it states, “For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins” (ESV). If the person continually commits the sin over and over again, it demonstrates that they are not truly remorseful over their sin.
A person should intentionally and willingly accept Christ out of love for Jesus and their conscious decision to know they need Jesus as their Savior and Lord. Accepting Jesus to live a life of sin is not a Christian-focus life. When a person becomes a believer, they should want to do the right things in service to God.
Good works do not save a person (Ephesians 2:8-9); however, good works are the result of knowing Christ (Matthew 7:15-20). Condoning sin is not part of the life God has for His children. The Lord hates all sin, evilness, and wickedness (Psalm 5:5, 11:5).
Christians are not to condone sin as condoning sin means the Christian accepts the sin or possibly even celebrates the sin. Sin is nothing to be encouraged or celebrated. All people are sinners (Romans 3:23) and we will continue to struggle with sin throughout our lives, but the Lord does not want us to actively seek out sin and condone it.
The Apostle Paul speaks about people condoning sin in the Book of Romans. Paul was proclaiming the truth of God’s Word to the Church of Rome, and he was telling them what happens when a person deliberately lives in sin and refuses to accept the truth of God’s Word (Romans 1:18-32). The people Paul was referring to had committed a myriad of sinful acts and were condoning those who practiced these sinful actions.
Paul tells the Church of Rome about these people, “They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy” (Romans 1:29-31).
Wicked, evil, sinful acts were being conducted by these individuals and they did not have any remorse for their wicked behavior. Paul continues to say, “Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them” (Romans 1:32).
The individuals who Paul speaks about were aware of God’s commands; however, they deliberately ignored His commands, refused to follow His righteous decree, and approved of those who did the same things.
This is clearly condoning sin and Paul does not represent condoning sin in a good light. As Christians, this still rings true for us today. We should never condone sin in our own lives or in other people’s lives. To condone sin would mean that you accept the sin, approve the sin, and even encourage the sin.
Confronting Sin
The Bible is clear that we should not judge others (Matthew 7:1); however, Christians are supposed to help each other when they are struggling. Galatians 6:1-2 says, “Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted. Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.”
Sin is a major problem and as believers, we cannot simply look the other way. Jesus tells us specifically to have two or three believers first talk to the person in private and then if they do not listen to two or three believers in private, the two or three believers should take it before the church (Matthew 18:15-16).
It can be difficult to approach a friend, family member, or another church member, but it is vitally important to talk to them. When you approach them, you need to speak the truth in kindness, humility, and love (Ephesians 4:15).
Speaking the truth in love does not entail a prideful, hostile, or superior attitude when you are confronting your fellow Christian struggling in their sin. Believers should never tear down one another. Rather than being hostile or prideful, Christians need to always encourage and build each other up in love (1 Corinthians 16:14).
After having that conversation, give them time to think on their own. The Holy Spirit will convict a person of their sin and lead them to repentance - that is not our job. Sometimes believers can grow to become cold and calloused to the Holy Spirit’s conviction that they do not feel His conviction anymore. As Christians, it is important to pray for each other, especially during these struggling times (James 5:16).
It is never right to condone someone’s sin or to “overlook” the sin (Ibid.). Jesus informs us, “If your brother or sister sins against you, rebuke them; and if they repent, forgive them. Even if they sin against you seven times in a day and seven times come back to you saying, ‘I repent,’ you must forgive them” (Luke 17:3-4).
The Lord does not tell us to condone the sin, but rather to rebuke it. If the individual chooses to repent, we should forgive them - even if they sin against us many times. Condoning sin is not an option for Christians as sin has no place in a Christian’s life.
All Christians will continue to struggle with sin throughout our lives; however, we should never condone or encourage sinful actions. Any sinful act goes directly against God. It can be easy for people to rationalize their sin or to believe their sin does not hurt others, yet this could not be further from the truth.
Our sin does affect others, ourselves, and God. If we condone sin in our lives or in other people’s lives, we are sinning against God. Even if we are not personally participating in sinful behavior, yet we approve of someone else doing the sinful behavior, we are sinning against God.
If we know a friend or family member who is struggling with a sin in their life, we must not condone their sin. We cannot say the sin is “okay.” Sin is never “okay.” All sin has dire consequences, even for believers.
Even though as believers we are forgiven of our sins and will spend eternity with Christ, there are consequences for our sins in our earthly lives as well as we can have rewards taken away during the Judgment Seat of Christ (Romans 14:20; 2 Corinthians 5:10).
Condoning sin is never acceptable and should be discouraged in your own life. If you have condoned sin in the past, rest assured that it is never too late to change. You can stop condoning sin today by turning to God in repentance and asking Him to help you as you confront your loved ones struggling with sin in their own lives with an attitude of kindness, humility, and love.
@@Dante-vf4sd Thank you for taking the time to reply at length.
My difficulty in this matter is more in the term of how sins seem to be classified, more often than not the commandment "You shall not commit adultery" is placed as the first commandment while in the Bible it is number seven.
Also I am always cautious about referring to the Old Testament. If we were to follow the Old Testament we should convert to Judaism. Also Paul called the Gentiles to Christ message it must have been very difficult to accept Gentiles men and women lifestyle.
Certainly the Greco-Roman culture was full of unacceptable sexual practices, sex with slaves, pederasty, and sex with prostitutes and with men prostitutes. (sex with slaves was ok for old testament Kings)
The Bible is strangely silent about sex with young boys and with slaves which was common practice. Sex in Roman era was determined by a very definite hierarchy. The penetration was the act of superiority. To a Jewish scholar like Paul the idea that a man may be a passive sexual partner (because inferior in his society) must have been abhorrent both because of the Thora injunction and because of his cultural background.
I always wonder why Christians refer to Leviticus in the Old Testament while it is obvious that no Christians can claim to respect the injunctions of the Old Testament. Christian men are not circumcised, do not eat Kosher food, women go to church when menstruating we deal in interest every day so on and so forth. So in fact we continuously pick and choose what we have to follow partly because Christ show us the path for simpler approach but also because we live in a modern society.
The stance against sexual sins reflects both a laisser-faire in our society that we are powerless to stop and an easy way to show our devotion without having to deal with other sinful actions inherent to our modern society specifically the banking system, the exploitation of vulnerable young people, and drug issue.
Should the church stop blessing people who are alcoholic drug addict, deal in interest or cohabiting all together? Shouldn't the evangelical Americans so ready to vociferate against homosexuals stop their country right to bear arms because of the injunction "You shall not kill" and the obvious connection between both.
I always struggle with Paul because of his stance against women and his harshness. The fact that Paul is put at the same level than Christ by many Christians is bewildering to me and a constant struggle.
When Jesus meet the woman at the well he does not condemn her but send her as his messenger to her community. When Christ stop the mob starting to stone the woman adulteress he stops it, one of the reasons was probably that in Judaism to condemn someone to death was a very stringent and complex matter requiring due process with 3 or 4 sound witnesses, always difficult in case of adultery or even murder. (this was also the reason perjury could be punishable by death in case involving capital punishment) The second reason was to dictate kindness and forgiveness toward the most vulnerable in society.
Paul it seems turned this on its head maybe he thought it was the only way to try to discipline unruly gentiles to who he was sent to preach.
I do not know of anyone who is struggling with homosexuality but I think it is not a worse sin than the terrible greed we see today. Should people who are in fact homosexual have to choose between having a life companion and being Christian?
@@blacksnow129 The issue with homosexual lifestyle and the other sexual related sins is that it's being pushed so strongly as acceptable in western societies unlike the others. All sin leads to death and separation from God.
The key to understanding the relationship between the Christian and the Law is knowing that the Old Testament law was given to the nation of Israel, not to Christians. Some of the laws were to reveal to the Israelites how to obey and please God (the Ten Commandments, for example). Some of the laws were to show the Israelites how to worship God and atone for sin (the sacrificial system). Some of the laws were intended to make the Israelites distinct from other nations (the food and clothing rules). None of the Old Testament law is binding on Christians today. When Jesus died on the cross, He put an end to the Old Testament law (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23-25; Ephesians 2:15).
In place of the Old Testament law, Christians are under the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2), which is to “love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind…and to love your neighbor as yourself” (Matthew 22:37-39). If we obey those two commands, we will be fulfilling all that Christ requires of us: “All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments” (Matthew 22:40). Now, this does not mean the Old Testament law is irrelevant today. Many of the commands in the Old Testament law fall into the categories of “loving God” and “loving your neighbor.” The Old Testament law can be a good guidepost for knowing how to love God and knowing what goes into loving your neighbor. At the same time, to say that the Old Testament law applies to Christians today is incorrect. The Old Testament law is a unit (James 2:10). Either all of it applies, or none of it applies. If Christ fulfilled some of it, such as the sacrificial system, He fulfilled all of it.
“This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome” (1 John 5:3). The Ten Commandments were essentially a summary of the entire Old Testament law. Nine of the Ten Commandments are clearly repeated in the New Testament (all except the command to observe the Sabbath day). Obviously, if we are loving God, we will not be worshiping false gods or bowing down before idols. If we are loving our neighbors, we will not be murdering them, lying to them, committing adultery against them, or coveting what belongs to them. The purpose of the Old Testament law is to convict people of our inability to keep the law and point us to our need for Jesus Christ as Savior (Romans 7:7-9; Galatians 3:24). The Old Testament law was never intended by God to be the universal law for all people for all of time. We are to love God and love our neighbors. If we obey those two commands faithfully, we will be upholding all that God requires of us.
Christians shouldnt stop blessing anyone, they should not bless their sinful choices though, for the reasons I explained in my previous comment, they should be calling them to repent of it and share the good news just as Jesus did to the woman caught in adultery and to the lame man at the well.
Paul shouldn't be placed at the same level as Christ, that's not my experience of those who follow Christ, but His words are God's inspired and his authority is given by first Christ and later supported by other apostles so his words are to be taken as Truth. Do you struggle with God because of his stance with women in Genesis 3:16? What about when Paul says we are to love our wives as Christ loves His church, does this strike you as hard on women?
Jesus used women to share the news of His presence for several reasons, one of which was because he honours and loves them in their roles and another is because the validity of a woman's words at that time was less than males, that makes the accounts more convincing because you wouldn't like about something and say that. Just because God created us as men and women for different roles as a general theme, a woman as a help mate to the man, doesn't mean they are valued less by those who follow through with honouring Gods intents.
If one is to become a follower of Christ we must all turn from our sins, it is difficult to turn from what our flesh wants but only through Christ is this possible, I have a weakness to sexual sins as well, I was bisexual and have a huge weakness to lust, I know that it harms me and separates me from God who sacrificed so much more for me so that I could live and be with Him, I don't want anyone to bless my son, I want them to bless me to stay away from it. Conviction of sin is the work of the Holy Spirit after being born again. God bless you my friend.
What's the greater sin? - marrying divorced people in church (Mat 19.9) or blessing a gay couple?
The fact is that the CofE has now embraced a completely different religion - one in which there can be gospel (i.e. good news) because for practising homosexuals and lesbians there is no longer any bad news, i.e. no condemnation if their activities as sin.
This how one was placed before God Allmighty
A Visionary in spirit was instructed by the Holy Spirit to kneel with both the hands straight down at the sides, palms open & facing forward, head lifted up when he sees a Dark & Frightening Cloud above, and from his mouth uttered " The Lords Prayer " as Jesus taught, no any other words, Thats all
Note, before the presence of the Allmighty God even the hands are not raised,
Exactly! This opens the door for condemnation of the bible and true believers.
I left the C of. E and now attend a Free Evangelical Church
Its a fight of evil v good in the spirit not flesh and blood
2 Chronicles 7:14
If MY PEOPLE WHO ARE CALLED BY NAME, will turn from THEIR wicked ways, humble themselves, seek my face and pray, THEN will I hear from heaven, forgive THEIR sins and heal their land.”
Is it unreasonable to say but not until then?
We became outcasts in our own local church for holding to scripture. Had to leave. The wokeness trickled down, not in stated doctrine but in spirit. Such blindness.
Dr Jensen - we no longer deserve your respect but we covert your prayers.
The Church of England is lost. Support the Free Church of England.
Every inch that the official church of E moves further from the revealed word of God is a clarion call to the sheep to forsake the false shepherds.
Racism, Slavery, murder of dissidents, genocide, and antisemitism have been lavishly justified by scriptural quotes and church documents -- pretending it is not so only increases the bad odor
Let the church rise up and take their rightful seat of authority in the body of Christ the church stand out
How much this must grieve our Father's
heart!
Broad is the way that leads to destruction.
I am a Roman Catholic, and l am so proud of you, The Church of England : l stand with you and l love you for standing up for your belief. ... The Truth.
May God bless you all and strengthen your Faith❤
"Well done, good and faithfull servant "
All Christians need to pray for the break-away flock! They are still our brothers and sisters!
Saint Thomas Becket of England , Please intercede for your people of England.
Pray to Jesus, Becket can't hear you. You don't have to go through Canterbury to get to Jesus.
I am sure that St. Stephen (the first Bishop) would approve of what this fine Christian man has said here!
The Bishops need to be sacked immediately....
By wanting to become more inclusive they have isolated their base membership. Obviously not a spirit led move.
Hi from England, your conversation is helpful in understanding this. However, I don't get the bit where you appeal to 'tradition'. That means appealing to the church's constant interpretation of doctrine, including as presented in Scripture. The Reformation was about ditching that in favour of Sola Scriptura.
I'm Catholic myself, but appreciate the CofE as a kind of last official bastion of Christianity in our country's howling secular landscape. It looks like that comfort blanket has just been torn away.
The Reformation and its central doctrine of Sola scriptura were not about throwing all church tradition away, that attitude has only become common within Protestantism in the last couple of centuries. The reformers frequently cited the Church Fathers, and considered their writings to be very useful. Martin Chemnitz's response to the Council of Trent, for example, identifies multiple different senses in which the Fathers talked about tradition, and agreed with most of those. The Reformers' actual innovation was that they used scripture as the standard to discern whether the traditions being handed down in their generation were Apostolic or merely later innovations, whilst the Catholics were (and remain) committed to interpreting scripture through the lens of those traditions.
Its not scripture alone, its scripture as the final authority alone that is innerrant. Tradition is still looked to, it was not ditched.
It was tradition that produced scripture
Having read Justin Welby's bio on Wikipedia I was shocked that he even accepted High Office in the Church
You cannot have "fellowship" with determined ignorant darkness. That force is a threat, to real faith. St Paulus is crystal clear, as is all of scripture, to please God, to be liked and blessed by God, you must turn from all sin. The blessing is God enabling you to do that. If you are blessed by a church, you start turning around, in order to walk properly in the light, and not one foot still in darkness. Half a horse cannot pull a cart.
As an ex member of the COE i think its beyond redempion.
Traditional Catholicism is the only answer.
I am sure that they will find some Godly excuse for accepting same sex marriage. But woe to those couples .
God’s sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ is for everyone, and so is his love. His word is his will for us which leads to salvation. Our will needs to be surrendered to become sons and daughters of his holy family, he is the way, the truth and the life. Bible preaches must know this to be Christian.
So Sade to hear they have lost their way. But the leadership that has denied the restriction of Christ can only continue down the slippery slope.
Google changed resurrection and sad.
Sleep Anglicans napping on the rail rode tracks have been ignoring the very loud oncoming train.
See Anglican Ink for the Archbishop Welby speeches- and much else.
Every human being never know what will happen in the future ,anyting can happen in this World, don't be proud of apostasy ,it has be proven by the earhquake in Palu, Sulawesi island, the mass of people buried alive.
They are forcing God to bless Sin , they have not read the divided kingdom the kings of the promise land. Woe to those who did nkt stay close to God and success and peace to those who learned the one Principle, those who stay close to God he stayed close to them, and they prospered they had peace abundance he fought their fights and he came to earth born in the person of Jesus Christ, went to the cross and died to show us his much he loved us . . The Bible changes lives , it changed mine . I felt grief, I cried. This is wrong .
Looking, from the outside now, at what's happening in the Church of England, I understand the anger and hurt you describe, and empathize, for it returns to me the memory of my own departure from the Episcopal Church in the U.S. over 20 years ago. I recognize the sense of separation that you are undergoing. While you may not have had time to reflect fully on the situation, I do get the sense that the C of E is indeed crossing a rubicon at this time.
My response was to become Orthodox, Ecumenical jurisdiction, of Greek rubrics in my parish. There's nothing particularly important about "eastern", or jurisdiction, or Greek. It's "Orthodox" that counts. That is the faith, a faith shared among jurisdictions and bishops. I think the C of E is uniquely positioned in the Protestant world to recognize that essential structure as related to its own.
I must say that my prayers are with you as you consider what you must do as time goes on. May God lead you, and may He bless you with insight and wisdom. Remember that Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Despite the Protestant focus on the Bible, the Bible itself focusses us on Christ, on the Holy Trinity, on the Holy Spirit Who leads us into all truth, Christ's own helper Whom He sent to the Church.
I'm afraid I cannot offer any words of comfort about restorations or holding doctrinal positions. We live in a society that rejects Christianity forcefully, and its opinions and viewpoints affect us all and have seeped into the church. For salvation, the only answer is Christ Who saves; not even the Bible can do that. The Bible itself tells us this. Thus, I can promise you only whatever heartache, disappointment, anguish, fear, anger, or other cross you have to bear, as the crucible which will assist you in sorting out what comes next. I have gone through my original crucible, so I know it from experience. And I find that it is the pattern of the Christian life that leads to salvation. For the Orthodox Church has experienced it many times through history, and yet holds true to the faith.
Think of Athanasius of Alexandria, who was exiled six times, removed from his seat as Archbishop of Alexandria by the powers of the church, for opposing the heresy of Arianism. He was not alone in the opposition, but nearly so. Yet after much strife, the Church prevailed against the assaults that bore down on it, as God upheld the few who held to the truth.
Before that, it prevailed against the persecutions of the pagans in Rome. But, as a priest once said to me, it has often been that the most devastating persecutions in history have come from within the Church. To be Christian is to face the very un-English unpleasantness of a brutal world. We in the west are so soft! We must learn to put on the armor of Christ, and do battle within our own souls to remain true to Him. Then we will be able to face those among us, and those outside, and stand firm, but not in hate or violence, rather in a love that bears all without flinching. May God be with you all as you embark on the journeys given to you, that though you walk through the valley of the shadow of death, He lead you beside the still waters.
Good interview. In England there is also the GAFCON-affiliated Free Church of England.
Follow the book of truth, our bible. Matthew 12:25 when a house stands divided, it cannot stand, Jesus word. Gods anger against sin, Romans chapter 1 verses 18 to 32 this explains everything, scripture cannot be wrong or changed, the union of man and women is to be one in flesh. I love the bible, read and this will give you hope, peace and salvation. God bless you both for this interview. 😮😮😮
Perhaps something also needs to be said about the sheer basic intellectual and spiritual calibre of the people - as people - currently leading the Church of England. "If I forget thee, O Jesusalem, may my right hand (and my mind) lose it's skill"!!