This suggests to me that Con, Peter, and William are from VIC AU. The reason for this is because this is a VESI / VPI lock, which has a mass-produced two-tier master key system. This is why you see the distinct 843 key profile (a Lockwood factory-exclusive profile), and the distinct customised yellow key identifier insert. That being said, I fail to understand why VESI opted to use the 334B45 padlock, when the 334M45 body is far more superior (it is the 316 marine grade [hence the M designation] stainless steel model). You can't ask a locksmith to make one for you; an order has to be placed with ASSA Abloy (this can be done at Bunnings well, for those playing at home; Melburnians/Victorians should call up local locksmiths first to see how much they will charge - I found that if you have a valid quote, then the Special Orders Team at Bunnings may be able to undercut them by 5% [because the parts have to be ordered from ASSA Abloy regardless from who you order them from]). Given that this system is master-keyed, I do strongly suggest that a tamper-proof seal also be implemented to lock the hasp and/or have a camera facing the mains switchboard (which is where this padlock would normally be applied). One more quirk - the lock is keyed to Change Key AA6370 (i.e., this is the 6370th different lock on the VESI/VPIL key system, as it is generally assumed that each house is meant to, through time, have their own different change key, which is not necessarily the case; groups of houses managed by real estates / stratas can opt for a key alike mode and use the same change key on all their locks), with the early locks (
Bunnings would only be able to order either new locks on their own key, or any system that the user has the original order card for it. If it's an existing system that they don't hold the card they won't be able to order KA locks. Also, I doubt Bunnings gets the same discount on commercial locks as companies that specialise in Lockwood's commercial range. (I know from experience, and vise versa with domestic products) I been racking my brain to work out who Con, Peter and William might be, but I have been out of the locksmithing world for some time now..
Always entertaining to see you tackle these higher end padlock. Most people will never even see these locks in the wild let alone pick them so its always a treat. Also I like how you say "we" makes me feel like I'm a better picker then I actually am. Thanks
Thanks... definitely will never see the lockwood version in this country, but I see the MTL version every now and then. Especially when I am in New York. You would be amazed at the locks the store fronts have securing their gates. I get whiplash walking down the street!
thats true some store fronts I've seen have had some fairly good lock. But I''ve also seen some store front with really really bad lock. Or at least bad for the owner, good for anyone trying to surreptitiously trying to enter. So has the LPL ever been tempted to open one ? :-)
Wow councilor you are good that looks way beyond my skill set I'll keep watching, I've learned a great deal from you already. Thank you you and merry Christmas to you and yours.
Thanks for sharing... I think the master keying in this lock is really interesting, because there are so many ways in which it was mastered. That said, for a pure explanation of picking these locks, check out my videos 249 (MTL MT5+) and 250 (Ikon R10)... I was a little short with the picking explanation in this video only because I would have had to have discussed the master keying.
Great picking as usual!! I was really looking forward to seeing this one since they are pretty rare...but what a shame about the gates being tampered with...at least you could have done something about the wafers... real bummer
Thanks... the wafers would not have made a difference to me. The real issue was the solid bottom pins, and the widened/multi gate sliders. If I really want, I can repin it to the key, but I doubt I will.
Great pick and explanation of the features and weaknesses in this example. Could you explain the Alpha spring? Is it unique to these locks or replicating some standard function of these dimple cores? Thanks.
I opened it just as quick as you did in my channel. It is fully mastered so security is compromised but for the sake of its massive master keying ability within the victoria power industry. The mt5+ took me only seconds longer, and I've seen you have multiple videos of said lock as well. Did you find the unmastered parts gave you more trouble? I didn't.
that was amazing ive allways wanted to see inside one of these locks now I have thank you. would you recommend this lock to someone to secure their house ?
Thanks. I definitely have no qualms about recommending MT5+ locks. Note however, that they are quite pricy. It may be a waste of your security dollars than might be better spent reinforcing door frames, barring windows, etc.
The lockwood MT5 is pick proof but it can be done by pros, they are expensive they retail for A$100+, there 3 types of lockwood restricted keys: generation 6, twin & MT5.
If it was, they would have had to say so. If you see them on eBay, they're advertised as being suitable for Vic Power. Annoying thing is, I never see any for AusGrid and the like.
Looks like a Victorian Power Industry lock, which is for property owners to put on there switchboards, hevily master keyed have seen the master however have never been able to get one for myself.
Go to your local Bunnings after asking your local locksmith for quotes; that way, if you go to Bunnings to order one, they may undercut them by 5% (as eBay does not qualify for that price match guarantee, but locksmiths do because both Bunnings and locksmiths still need to order them from ASSA Abloy's Oakleigh Head Office/Factory).
Also, how did you get to see the master key?! What did it look like, and what colour was its dot/face? Did it have any indicators to suggest that it was a master key (aside from the key issue number / lack of a Change Key Number)?
Very strange mt5. Drivers pins not have mushroom one pin and sliders , and between key pin to drivers pins ....? I'm work mt5+ but like your lock never seen before. Interesting.
Oh! I figured out why Master lock sucks so much! They loved the idea of master keying SO much that they expertly engineer their locks to open to any kind of lockpick or rake, as well as the keys! This way, any landlord just needs to buy any old cheap chinese lockpicks off ebay, and is guaranteed to be able to open all the locks!
This suggests to me that Con, Peter, and William are from VIC AU. The reason for this is because this is a VESI / VPI lock, which has a mass-produced two-tier master key system. This is why you see the distinct 843 key profile (a Lockwood factory-exclusive profile), and the distinct customised yellow key identifier insert. That being said, I fail to understand why VESI opted to use the 334B45 padlock, when the 334M45 body is far more superior (it is the 316 marine grade [hence the M designation] stainless steel model). You can't ask a locksmith to make one for you; an order has to be placed with ASSA Abloy (this can be done at Bunnings well, for those playing at home; Melburnians/Victorians should call up local locksmiths first to see how much they will charge - I found that if you have a valid quote, then the Special Orders Team at Bunnings may be able to undercut them by 5% [because the parts have to be ordered from ASSA Abloy regardless from who you order them from]).
Given that this system is master-keyed, I do strongly suggest that a tamper-proof seal also be implemented to lock the hasp and/or have a camera facing the mains switchboard (which is where this padlock would normally be applied).
One more quirk - the lock is keyed to Change Key AA6370 (i.e., this is the 6370th different lock on the VESI/VPIL key system, as it is generally assumed that each house is meant to, through time, have their own different change key, which is not necessarily the case; groups of houses managed by real estates / stratas can opt for a key alike mode and use the same change key on all their locks), with the early locks (
Bunnings would only be able to order either new locks on their own key, or any system that the user has the original order card for it.
If it's an existing system that they don't hold the card they won't be able to order KA locks.
Also, I doubt Bunnings gets the same discount on commercial locks as companies that specialise in Lockwood's commercial range. (I know from experience, and vise versa with domestic products)
I been racking my brain to work out who Con, Peter and William might be, but I have been out of the locksmithing world for some time now..
Very skill full LPL .0009% of the population maybe able to do that👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼🇦🇺🍻
Not necessarily. You can purchase these anywhere
Always entertaining to see you tackle these higher end padlock. Most people will never even see these locks in the wild let alone pick them so its always a treat. Also I like how you say "we" makes me feel like I'm a better picker then I actually am. Thanks
Thanks... definitely will never see the lockwood version in this country, but I see the MTL version every now and then. Especially when I am in New York. You would be amazed at the locks the store fronts have securing their gates. I get whiplash walking down the street!
thats true some store fronts I've seen have had some fairly good lock. But I''ve also seen some store front with really really bad lock. Or at least bad for the owner, good for anyone trying to surreptitiously trying to enter.
So has the LPL ever been tempted to open one ? :-)
Jess Hull Am I tempted to pick the locks around me? OF COURSE!!! That's the story of my life. But I don't...I get my "fix" at home.
Well...even with the "security flaws" it is a really serious lock.Great picking and gutting.
Thanks... definitely a tricky pick even when master keyed.
Great job picking as always brother. Thanks for taking the time to share it with us!
Nice. Have been waiting to see this beast. So got to get one of those cores.... one of these years. :) Thanks for the detailed look.
Thanks. :-)
Wow councilor you are good that looks way beyond my skill set I'll keep watching, I've learned a great deal from you already. Thank you you and merry Christmas to you and yours.
Very well explained and very well done, just shared this on my Google+ profile! Best wishes, Adrian
Thanks for sharing... I think the master keying in this lock is really interesting, because there are so many ways in which it was mastered. That said, for a pure explanation of picking these locks, check out my videos 249 (MTL MT5+) and 250 (Ikon R10)... I was a little short with the picking explanation in this video only because I would have had to have discussed the master keying.
Nicely done and interesting explanation again. keep them coming.
Thanks
Nicely done sir. Awesome as always. Thanks for sharing. THumbs up.
Thanks
If you ever get the chance to visit Australia (Melbourne) I might be able to get you a visit through their factory, it's pretty rad!
Amazing Picking. Thank you for the great Video. Keep up the great work. Nick.
Thanks.
Big hello to Con, Peter and William for representing our fine country Straylia 🇦🇺🍺🍤
Great pick, very informative and interesting, thanks again 👍
Thanks
Great picking as usual!! I was really looking forward to seeing this one since they are pretty rare...but what a shame about the gates being tampered with...at least you could have done something about the wafers... real bummer
Thanks... the wafers would not have made a difference to me. The real issue was the solid bottom pins, and the widened/multi gate sliders. If I really want, I can repin it to the key, but I doubt I will.
Huhhuh. That’s why I love the Abloy Classic which is very straightforward and easy to rekey.
Great pick and explanation of the features and weaknesses in this example. Could you explain the Alpha spring? Is it unique to these locks or replicating some standard function of these dimple cores? Thanks.
I would love to see you pick one of these locks now!
I can't wait until I feel like I am ready to try and tackle one of these locks
I opened it just as quick as you did in my channel. It is fully mastered so security is compromised but for the sake of its massive master keying ability within the victoria power industry. The mt5+ took me only seconds longer, and I've seen you have multiple videos of said lock as well. Did you find the unmastered parts gave you more trouble? I didn't.
Great lock with so many pieces - nonetheless amazing picking.
Thanks.
Alright I trust this lock with my barn
Is there any beginners video for picking these dimple locks? seems like a different animal
Would love to see you pick the Kaba ExperT
Shame about the master pins in there but Still a very nice lock and as always very nicely picked and gutted. Very interesting video.
Thanks... even with the master pinning, I love this little lock. We just don't see them in the US.
Well done, thanks!
Thank you.
Thanks for the content.
Keep up the good work.
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that was amazing ive allways wanted to see inside one of these locks now I have thank you. would you recommend this lock to someone to secure their house ?
Thanks. I definitely have no qualms about recommending MT5+ locks. Note however, that they are quite pricy. It may be a waste of your security dollars than might be better spent reinforcing door frames, barring windows, etc.
Yeah, no use getting a US$200+ lock if it's not your weakest link.
The lockwood MT5 is pick proof but it can be done by pros, they are expensive they retail for A$100+, there 3 types of lockwood restricted keys: generation 6, twin & MT5.
We have different definitions of pick proof. :-)
andrewkemp15 II status is a master keyed system as well
As well as Protec, Protec 2, Sentry and Abloy Groove in Europe.
i just learned mul t lock and medco are owned by the same company
The MT5+ core is very impressive. Too bad it was master keyed. Nice pick!
Thanks.
LockPickingLawyer pretty sure it’s master keyed to the Victorian power industry in Australia.
If it was, they would have had to say so. If you see them on eBay, they're advertised as being suitable for Vic Power. Annoying thing is, I never see any for AusGrid and the like.
quiet easier picking with masterkeying discs and sliders... ;-)
Looks like a Victorian Power Industry lock, which is for property owners to put on there switchboards, hevily master keyed have seen the master however have never been able to get one for myself.
argetechnologies eBay have them
Go to your local Bunnings after asking your local locksmith for quotes; that way, if you go to Bunnings to order one, they may undercut them by 5% (as eBay does not qualify for that price match guarantee, but locksmiths do because both Bunnings and locksmiths still need to order them from ASSA Abloy's Oakleigh Head Office/Factory).
Also, how did you get to see the master key?! What did it look like, and what colour was its dot/face? Did it have any indicators to suggest that it was a master key (aside from the key issue number / lack of a Change Key Number)?
Still a nice lock and pick.
Thanks
Very strange mt5.
Drivers pins not have mushroom one pin and sliders , and between key pin to drivers pins ....?
I'm work mt5+ but like your lock never seen before.
Interesting.
Oh! I figured out why Master lock sucks so much! They loved the idea of master keying SO much that they expertly engineer their locks to open to any kind of lockpick or rake, as well as the keys! This way, any landlord just needs to buy any old cheap chinese lockpicks off ebay, and is guaranteed to be able to open all the locks!
are you a real lawyer??
Yes. Picking is purely a hobby for me.
and about australian keyhead/bow ergonomics... generally really sucks..
The whole video sounds like "I wasted a good hour on this"