Two thing you didn't mention about the lock. The first thing is that this is a "low security" version: every lock in Italy need at least two 180 degree turns to open, wile many of those kind of locks (usually mounted on armored doors, also a common practice) require 4 turns; in some cases even 6. The other thing is that they are usually mounted in conjunction with an other common lock. In addition, many doors doesn't have an external handle, requiring and additional turn of the common lock, this time against a spring-loaded mechanism, to actually open. This is the reason why burglars in Italy usually enter from the window
LOL. I see your point. I meant that the lock is simple compared to what one would think by looking at the key. The sheer oddity of the key led me to believe that the mechanism would be equally non-conventional. Not so. Also, simple =\= easy.
LPL: "This is actually a really simple lock..." **takes 2 minutes to pick it open with 3 specialized tools one of which he had to fabricate and another one from China he didn't even know the use for, all the while having the lock secured in a vice at a nice angle without anyone looking over his shoulder** Me: **goes off to Italy to buy a few of these**
Here's the thing, though. The damn Chinese are so proficient at this that they made a tool specifically for a lock in a country half way across the world
These keys are usually used on house/flat front doors since burglary is quite common in Italy. In fact, a lot of front doors have a metallic frame/body hidden by wood panels, not very thick metal but it does the job.
Similar to doors in the uk mine has 6 locking bolts two top and bottom and one on hinge side one on lock side with the bolts all going into the concrete and whole door being steel framed
When you're up at 1am going on two, watching lock pick after lock picking video. I don't know what's so satisfying about this content but it certainly is the good stuff
He has a very soothing (not sure if this is the right word, not a native English speaker) voice and you can fall in this kind of trance and watch a dozen lock picking videos without ever intending to actually learn how to pick a lock.
He is basically an ASMR lock picker :P I do exactly the same. I have no intention to become a locksmith or picker, but it's so enjoyable to watch these videos :)
Same. I think it's because I really enjoy the skillful use of tools. My sidemark is this: It also brings something about ourselves as the beings that we are into focus. Our compulsion and need for security. Not thinking about how it could be different is not imperative in my opinion; but I do.
Okay, speaking as someone who has never picked a lock: I don't remember seeing a single lock in your entire series that made me go "Not a chance that your average burglar is going to pick this with enough time". This lock seems so unique and weird that I doubt many people would be able to pick this successfully, even with plenty of time, unless they know exactly what they're up against.
Lockpicking is for locksmiths. Burglars don't typically pick locks. A burglar goes for the weakest point of entry, and they don't care about using destructive force. Lockpicking is non-destructive, and is typically only used when the person doesn't want to show any sign of entry, i.e. spies, crooked police, crooked lawyers, private investigators, etc. Nobody picks locks to burglarize homes. That's nonsense.
@@SquirrelGamingProductions Bowley has been picked at least 3 times on YT. LpL is a good and talented guy and i like his vids, but hes NOT the best lockpicker, far from it. But he IS very popular on YT. Popular (lots of views), however, does NOT mean "Best in the field" or even "Professional", only uneducated YT viewers believe that. Plz dont be one. Here is a vid of how an actual pro does it (and it has been confirmed by Bowley in his posts!)..: th-cam.com/video/KS0FSzamUzc/w-d-xo.html&lc=z22rubyhazz0ttctmacdp431xxieptcdu5b0ofpiwexw03c010c.1579539236295504 Even LpL would prolly admit that this is one of the best pros on YT... :-)
I love the way you study these locks and figure out away to pick them. I have to say that was an awesome pick. That's one hell of a lock thanks for sharing it with us.
I lived in Italy for a few years now and I've seen these a few times. In my experience, here, if you fully lock your door you'd have to rotate the key 360° 3 times (and the same to unlock). I had no idea they were so secure. Pretty cool!
Love this video! an awesome lock, homemade tools, finding a use for an otherwise useless tool, and an awesome pick and gut! it was the total package for me. thanks man!
Thanks. It was funny that I thought of that tool as soon as I had the lock apart. Took me darned near 20 minutes to find the tool, but it sure made this lock easy!
Def one of the tougher locks I've seen on this channel... He makes it seem easy, but clearly it's difficult. Plus the number of different tools used. Bravo!👍🏻
Watching you struggle with something gives me great anxiety. I have come to see you as nearly infallible so hearing frustration, impatience, or confusion in your voice is an experience in and of itself “surreal”. And the fact that I define a struggle for you as anything exceeding 30 seconds speaks volumes as well, one might observe.
For a "simple" Lock it looks like a really good candidate for those people who: A) Love a super secure house/storage area/workplace B) Love fancy keys C) Love big fancy locks
In italy usually you see those locks on the armored front door of elderly folks: Usually there is a direct proportion between the number and security of locks and the years of the inhabitants 😁 But I guess that goes across borders as I remember the protagonist of Pixar's Up movie to also have three or four locks and a door chain on his front door 😅
Love the Channel! Thanks for doing this review..i wanted to see your skills against a Common italian Door lock(iseo, cisa e viro are the most common). Most of the houses in Italy use this in combination with bullet proof doors.. i do have one at home. They also have an extra 2 looking bolts on the top and bottom of the door frame on the side this is mounted and 3 locking bolts on the top, centre and bottom on the other side of the doir frame. Also the frame is completely secured on an concrete frame which has been put there just for the door during construction.This combination is commons in new buildings and in house made from the 80s onwards, other hiuse they have only the look with a commons thick wooden door. I don’t know why we have them but i guess they became popular when during 80s and 90 s in italy we had alot of mafia bombing and terrorist bombing on the street.Now they because the normality! I think the weak point in the wall, next to the door... Thanks again for your job!
In my opinion any lock you have to make a tool to pick has a dramatic bonus to security in practical situations. Unless your being specifically targeted they tend to go for the easiest target. And whats safer for a thief? a lock that you can look like its just worn/finicky when unlocking while picking or one that you are obviously not using the key.
Less than 1% of thieves lock pick. Having a good lock, while good for your piece of mind, doesn't make a difference on whether youe is getting burgled.
Sometimes opening those with the key can be quite the task, I had those locks in all my houses and when they become cranky they can be reaaly difficult.
Now that is a great Lock, I love the fact that *One* it uses a constant pressure system for enabling the the pins. *Two* it uses counter or false pins to basically cause you a hazard. *Three* it must turn while constantly keeping pressure not once but twice, then those massive five bolt holding bars , that is a really good security feature and undoubtedly would be about the best lock to secure anything you want to keep something in or out. Great video and awesome job picking it with basically a long flat wire to boot. Great video again.
I don’t know why, but this shit fascinates me. Found this guy yesterday and I’ve watched about 4 hrs worth of videos. How does one go about becoming a locksmith
I know this is old but locksmiths almost NEVER pick locks, they use faster methods to get past the lock. Usually bypasses or special tools that open the lock almost as fast as the key would.
I am very impressed with this, from how long it took to open to the build quality to the truly massive mechanism attached. This is the kind of lock I want on my door.
My wife grew up in Naples, Italy. You cannot use force to defend your house like we can her in the US, so home invasions are common. Thus, defense in the form of extra strong locks, steel reinforced doors and window bars are necessary.
That's not really the reason. You can't use force to defend your property in most if not all European countries and they don't have the same home invasion problems as Italy.
I find myself obsessing over locks, lock-picking, and pick prevention; this video is fantastic! I really enjoyed the way you took us through the details of the lock's design. Thanks for doing it.
Just replace the creme in a few of them with unscented toothpaste and let her find them. Won't have an Oreo theft problem anymore. Might not have a marriage problem anymore either though...
Great video. When you showed the lock I thought "Never seen that" but when I saw the key I realized it's indeed a common lock in Italy! We commonly use security doors made of steel covered with a wooden veneer with steel frames, a five locking bolts it's common and usually you have another two bolts going up and down. Sometime, you have reinforced doors where the locking bolts and locks were retrofitted to a normal door so they are exposed, as another commenter was pointing out.
WOW..what an unusual lock..Great job figuring out a way to pick that one! I have always said locks are puzzles...that one is almost more puzzle than lock..LOL
My favorite part was at 3 minutes 43 ish seconds when there's the fart sound. ;p Seriously though, i love your videos. Thanks for all the quality content.
Aaah yes, it's pretty much what I have! One nice thing about this, is that on the outside, there is no handle, only on the inside. Which means that you will have to use your tool to move that other part of the door I don't remember the name, like those latchet. But it is considerably harder, so good luck with that! I say it's a great deterrent lock though, lots of tools needed to really pick it, you'd have to be very well prepared!
I felt the enjoyment on explaining the lock and how his faith in "different locks" is restored from all the previous disappointment we got to see in some videos
I am italian and I can confirm, I've seen this lock several times, although I wouldn't say it's common, at least in northern Italy, I think it's more usually found in southern regions :)
Great vid! It would've been nice to see you actuate the lock with the key before you gutted it. Or even in the complete lock assembly. It looks like a load of fun!
After watching a bunch of your videos, i came to the robust conclusion that the best security is security by obscurity :) I was aware of this before, actually... A friend of mine has an older model Suzuki Jimny, and where we live these things are commonly get stolen by bedouins and other entrepreneurial neighbors. So the guy put a simple solenoid valve on the fuel line and an obscure hidden switch to open it. Got two attempts on the car, in both cases the car was abandoned a few hundred meters down the road. The second time though he got his windshield broken by a rock and pee on the steering wheel :))
Benvenuti in Italia! This kind of lock housing is very common in Italy. In fact, they typically have several rods coming out of the sides that actuate rods that go into the floor and ceiling around the door so it is harder to kick in. As a foreigner, I found the doors with multiple locks, bars, and chains to be almost comical, but everyone over age 60 is convinced that this stuff is necessary.
This lock requires one complete rotation to unlock it. Usually in Lithuania door locks require two rotations to unlock (though you can lock it with one rotation if you want to). A Gerda lock requires three rotations. I guess this is an easy way to make the picking take longer. I have seen locks that require only one rotation, but rarely.
I would have liked to have seen you put the key in the lock and open it with that too, just to show everything just works with the key. I think it's quite amazing how they can put in all these additional security features that work seamlessly with the key but that make picking such a challenge without one.
I guess I'm late to the show here but this video is really good at showing the many skills you brought together to solve this puzzle. I wonder how long you spent looking through what I would bet is as fairly expansive set of tensioning tools before you spot the one tensioner that had never made itself useful previously and say to yourself, "Hmmm I wonder..." Or how mamy times you shot test footage trying to keep your hands out of the way of the picking of the core before arriving at the wiper insert solution, which csnnot in itself be easy. Struck me as similar to.picking a lock with your feet while on stilts. Or how long with how many not so good prototype tools for getting past the two blocking pins to gain access to the trap pin. Great video, LPL all the way around. Very interesting lock and key, great pick, great gutting. and holy cow, the mechanism the lock fits in was impressive as well. This would br a strong contender my personal list of Top 10 LPL videos. Thank yoy for putting this all together. You put a lot of time into the prep of this video and it shows. Five stars!
Thank you very much for showing this lock. It was super interesting to watch :). Nice explained and easy to understand. Looks almost like a vault lock. Also locking bolts up and down the door are often seen in europe. I have been to italy almost 20 years ago, but sadly didn't take a look at the locks ;).
Thanks. I saw a fair number of locks like this when I lived in Greece (also around 20 years ago)... but that was long before my interest in lock blossomed.
That was awesome . Simple my foot .only had to make a special tool and pick each pin 16 times and hold down middle the entire time, but totally simple lmao. This was a very interesting pick brother . Ty for showing it to us!
Did you have to take apart the lock first to make the trap pin tool? Would someone who has no knowledge of this lock's internal function be able to pick it?
To answer the second question, I would be pretty certain that the answer is no. It's just too obscure to get it picked without prior knowledge of the mechanism.
Latvia uses these routinely! I've stayed many times in an apartment in liepaja with these, I felt very safe. 1 180 turn per bolt, then another to open the door
This is very cool and has inspired me to try lock picking. As a kid I had an American Lock A701KA 2" pad lock and I don't know what happened to it but I'd like to start with that one. I will be training by watching these videos and making my own picks using an anvil and hammer to shape some various implements.
Unusual and very well done as usual: bravo! Driver pins seem the same length (and normals) but not the springs. I think this is an old version of this model. ;)
Very common in France too. Lots of doors are steel core and have either just a lock like that, lock plus a horizontal bar across the door and if you spend more money vertical bolts securing the door to the floor. A necessity in some areas...
Wow, Italians really like their quintuple-bolted locks! One time in St. Peter's basilica in Rome, I saw a hidden door built into the wall - just a small, innocuous-looking hole (for a key), and a larger than normal crack between two sections of marble wall. But in that crack you could see light - and five deadbolts!
that lock is amazing! You did a superb job coming up with an attack method, very creative, very insightful. its like the lock Dr. Suess would have on the door to his secret book depository... You mentioned this lock is rather common in Italy. What are they using it for in practice?
Thanks. While I have never seen one in use personally, my understanding is that this is used on normal residential doors. In my travels to other countries, I have seen some pretty impressive residential door hardware, with multiple bolts coming from all directions. In a few places, multiple bolts seemed to be the rule rather than the exception.
Yup we had some similar door locks in our home. Thieves took some candles and burnt the wooden door lock slots. Locks were indeed intact and locked of course haha
Don't really know anything about locks but orienting that pins along the axis of the lock seems to make it so you could make a special "pick" which is a key where the four active sections can be pushed forward and back... this would also allow decoding the lock.
you should sell your rateings as LPL rateing in seconds for lock manufacturers. Lets say LPL rateing for piccing 121(seconds)- LPL121, If picing is not possible LPLg(angle grinder) 20sec, LPLd(demolishing) etc.
this is one of the most unique locks I've seen! almost like they re-invented the whole concept of a lock-- I can't imagine someone being able to reverse engineer this, in the field
A One possible answer to the question of how to decode and master the mechanisms of this lock is "You should get the construction plan for this lock in advance". B But I am the absolute layperson in this area. C The topic "unlocking locks without a key" is very interesting and very exciting. The whole topic has an undeniable practical component.
Absolutely, I took it apart first! The key to my picking is forming and maintaining a picture of the inside of the lock in my mind. You can't do that unless you intimately understand the mechanism first.
Ok its pick-able.....BUT you need to open the gate to enter the apartment complex, open the door to the apartment building, you then have 4-6 full rotations with the lock, use another key to pull back a strong spring loaded latch to open the door not to mention the other 8 dead bolts which can only be accessed from the inside of the apartment.
You always have the most unusual locks - thanks a lot for showing them to us. Great job in explaining and picking. Do you know the application for the lock? What kind of door did it secure?
I have family in Italy and i have been there to visit them. I can confirm that theses locks are everywhere. This is a common lock on a front door. Keep in mind that most homes there are condominiums with gated courtyards also.
Here Italy, I have it on my door but less rugged than the mechanism at the end of the video. Also I have to turn the key in the opposite direction than normal ones.
Nice pick. It seems to me you really have to have some control while using a 'straight' wiper insert to manipulate the pins or am I missing something? Also, could you mod the pins in this to have serrated and spool types in it? Or would it make no real difference in the pick?
Thanks. That straight wiper probably added 30% more time to the pick... I was picking from 4"+ away from the lock. It was the only way to keep my hammy hands from taking up the whole frame! Security pins would definitely add some complication to the pick, but not that much IMO.
A possible answer to the question of how to decode and master the mechanisms of this lock is "You should get the construction plan for this lock in advance". But I am the absolute layperson in this area. The topic "unlocking locks without a key" is very interesting and very exciting. The whole topic has an undeniable practical component.
These are common in France as well. All the flats in my appartement block have them. What he didn't show was that even once your unlock the door you still have one bolt that needs you to push the key in and turn about a quarter for.
The key looks similar to one of the Fichet's I have but think they have different alien technology within.👍Very cool lock and quite tricky for a 4 pinner!
Thanks, though this lock wasn't that bad. The difficult part is figuring out the lock, and putting a strategy together. BY the time I start picking, all the hard work is done.
Thanks. Something to remember: When I received this lock, the first thing I did was take it apart and internalize the mechanism. I also picked it twice to confirm that I could do it before turning on the camera. Once you see my video, I've done my recon on the lock, and already established that I have a working plan of attack. :-) As for locks that have defeated me (for now), there is a LONG list. I couldn't even begin to list them here.
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Two thing you didn't mention about the lock. The first thing is that this is a "low security" version: every lock in Italy need at least two 180 degree turns to open, wile many of those kind of locks (usually mounted on armored doors, also a common practice) require 4 turns; in some cases even 6. The other thing is that they are usually mounted in conjunction with an other common lock. In addition, many doors doesn't have an external handle, requiring and additional turn of the common lock, this time against a spring-loaded mechanism, to actually open.
This is the reason why burglars in Italy usually enter from the window
Recently they started using a double crick ti pry open the wall mount. They fucking crumble a wall apart instead of messing with the fucking door.
well.... tell me where to buy theese locks
thx for the advice
@@iamthekoma this summer they just blowtorched my neighbour's windows steel railing and entered from there
@@asroma251992 yep they do this too, and I'm fairly sure that they entered and exited in less then 10 minutes.
That moment when a lock takes 2 minutes for the LockPickingLawyer to unlock. That's publicity for Iseo right there
Yep. He said in other video that the reliability of lock is in the time you take to pick it
I mean, part of what took him so long was that he was using an inconvenient tool so that his hands weren't in the way of filming
Now the important part, how do I get one in the US??
2 minutes after he learned how to pick it and practiced.
Like #667, had to fix it
"...but in fact, this is a really really simple lock..."
Then he goes on to explain all the ways the lock actually isn't simple.
LOL. I see your point. I meant that the lock is simple compared to what one would think by looking at the key. The sheer oddity of the key led me to believe that the mechanism would be equally non-conventional. Not so. Also, simple =\= easy.
Simple, not easy
+LockPickingLawyer With all due respect Sir, but this is the 'not equal' operator: !=
The technical definition literally goes not(!) equal(=).
tamas tamas nice to see some fellow programmers on this channel;)
Sometimes it's though. Or you could use ≠.
This is one of the situations where the weakpoint is most likely the doorframe not the lock xD
Lol
And probably one of the scenarios where a moron installs this high security lock and leaves the door attached with normal hinges on the outside
Or the guy holding the key...
well, the frame should be made out of steal also..lol
@@dreadknot2238 on the contrary, it is not made out of steal, it is made out of non stealable material
honestly I just want to see an april fools video where he pulls out the key, calls it a special pick and remarks how poorly designed the lock is
Chabaprops coq
This years April fools video was the best
That technique is called impressioning, and he isn't very good at it
The Masterlock 510D would be perfect, but he already has a vid on it. Reason? It's a goddam ward lock.
So basically anything that uses cuffs lock
LPL: "This is actually a really simple lock..."
**takes 2 minutes to pick it open with 3 specialized tools one of which he had to fabricate and another one from China he didn't even know the use for, all the while having the lock secured in a vice at a nice angle without anyone looking over his shoulder**
Me: **goes off to Italy to buy a few of these**
If LPL takes more than 30 seconds to open a lock, you know it's good.
Here's the thing, though. The damn Chinese are so proficient at this that they made a tool specifically for a lock in a country half way across the world
@@scrwd4568 The Chinese market in a nutshell
@@HangmanOfficialUploads
Right, lol. Everything they make is for some country half way across the world. 😆
@@mickeypopa But everything they make is so unintelligibly translated that you'd never know
"Simple lock to pick"
"You have 16 pins to press and a botton in the middle"
Lol ok
stop.
@@noodled6145 lol
He didn't say it's simple to pick. The lock's design is simple. Though simple things sometimes are very effective, and this lock is one of those.
@Johnfuse Are you always this arrogant? Please sell your router and leave the Internet.
@Johnfuse I'm not surprised you can't see your own arrogance.
These keys are usually used on house/flat front doors since burglary is quite common in Italy. In fact, a lot of front doors have a metallic frame/body hidden by wood panels, not very thick metal but it does the job.
Thanks for the information.
@@lockpickinglawyer also in Argentina, great videos.
looks like the locks we have in german prisons and the detention rooms in our police stations.
Additionally you can ha one locking bolt for the upper part of the doorframe and one for the bottom part
Similar to doors in the uk mine has 6 locking bolts two top and bottom and one on hinge side one on lock side with the bolts all going into the concrete and whole door being steel framed
In Italy we are developing advanced technology to keep the thiefs out of our homes, and at the same time we vote to let them rule our lives.
wow I've never heard that joke before
That's also true in Spain. We have a shitty government out there.
Ok Boomer
No seriamente
@Nagolbud so you say but there are so many Trump haters and its allowed.
@Nagolbud everyone here hates the government
1 minute 40 seconds to pick???? For LPL?!?
Man, at that point, the path of least resistance is just to attack the guy and steal his key.
XKCD made a comic about that exact thing: www.xkcd.com/538/ :P
@@InTimeTraveller of course there's an xkcd for that
There always is
Lol this is the weak version
requesting this video, please!
When you're up at 1am going on two, watching lock pick after lock picking video. I don't know what's so satisfying about this content but it certainly is the good stuff
He has a very soothing (not sure if this is the right word, not a native English speaker) voice and you can fall in this kind of trance and watch a dozen lock picking videos without ever intending to actually learn how to pick a lock.
He is basically an ASMR lock picker :P
I do exactly the same. I have no intention to become a locksmith or picker, but it's so enjoyable to watch these videos :)
for me its his voice and how he talks :D
Same. I think it's because I really enjoy the skillful use of tools. My sidemark is this: It also brings something about ourselves as the beings that we are into focus. Our compulsion and need for security. Not thinking about how it could be different is not imperative in my opinion; but I do.
The tone and cadence of his voice is just spectacular. He could talk about anything and I would be here to listen haha
Okay, speaking as someone who has never picked a lock: I don't remember seeing a single lock in your entire series that made me go "Not a chance that your average burglar is going to pick this with enough time".
This lock seems so unique and weird that I doubt many people would be able to pick this successfully, even with plenty of time, unless they know exactly what they're up against.
Check out the Bowley lock then, LPL was unable to pick it and in fact didn't even have a suitable tool to _attempt_ picking it
Episodes 636 and 653
KingHalbatorix yet...
@@AcornElectron nawh he's never gonna succeed picking a Bowley. They're basically pickproof without an impressioning tool
Lockpicking is for locksmiths. Burglars don't typically pick locks. A burglar goes for the weakest point of entry, and they don't care about using destructive force. Lockpicking is non-destructive, and is typically only used when the person doesn't want to show any sign of entry, i.e. spies, crooked police, crooked lawyers, private investigators, etc. Nobody picks locks to burglarize homes. That's nonsense.
@@SquirrelGamingProductions Bowley has been picked at least 3 times on YT. LpL is a good and talented guy and i like his vids, but hes NOT the best lockpicker, far from it. But he IS very popular on YT. Popular (lots of views), however, does NOT mean "Best in the field" or even "Professional", only uneducated YT viewers believe that. Plz dont be one.
Here is a vid of how an actual pro does it (and it has been confirmed by Bowley in his posts!)..:
th-cam.com/video/KS0FSzamUzc/w-d-xo.html&lc=z22rubyhazz0ttctmacdp431xxieptcdu5b0ofpiwexw03c010c.1579539236295504
Even LpL would prolly admit that this is one of the best pros on YT... :-)
I love the way you study these locks and figure out away to pick them. I have to say that was an awesome pick. That's one hell of a lock thanks for sharing it with us.
Thanks. The "figuring things out" stage is super important. For a lock like this, once the picks go in the lock, the hard word is already done.
I lived in Italy for a few years now and I've seen these a few times. In my experience, here, if you fully lock your door you'd have to rotate the key 360° 3 times (and the same to unlock). I had no idea they were so secure.
Pretty cool!
LPL: this is simple
Also LPL: cues Mission Impossible music and explains how there's 8 different obstacles inside the lock
Oh God I'm going to rewatch this video with mission impossible in the background! 😆
Love this video! an awesome lock, homemade tools, finding a use for an otherwise useless tool, and an awesome pick and gut! it was the total package for me. thanks man!
Thanks. It was funny that I thought of that tool as soon as I had the lock apart. Took me darned near 20 minutes to find the tool, but it sure made this lock easy!
Def one of the tougher locks I've seen on this channel... He makes it seem easy, but clearly it's difficult. Plus the number of different tools used. Bravo!👍🏻
Watching you struggle with something gives me great anxiety. I have come to see you as nearly infallible so hearing frustration, impatience, or confusion in your voice is an experience in and of itself “surreal”.
And the fact that I define a struggle for you as anything exceeding 30 seconds speaks volumes as well, one might observe.
"Its a simple 4 pin lock" ... "you just have to pick it 4 times while pushing a button deep in the middle of the lock"
Don't forget about circumventing the trap pin that engages twice
Simple
For a "simple" Lock it looks like a really good candidate for those people who:
A) Love a super secure house/storage area/workplace
B) Love fancy keys
C) Love big fancy locks
Notice how flat the key is. This is to fit in the same pocket as a cheap Masterlock key,
In italy usually you see those locks on the armored front door of elderly folks: Usually there is a direct proportion between the number and security of locks and the years of the inhabitants 😁
But I guess that goes across borders as I remember the protagonist of Pixar's Up movie to also have three or four locks and a door chain on his front door 😅
Lock manufacturers need to add a disclaimer to their "unpickable" locks to say: "Except for the LockPickingLawyer."
Its always the damm lawyers. Right?
The new standard is LPL resistant
Should've just said, in bold letters: "LPL NEEDS _x_ MINUTES TO PICK THIS LOCK!"
@@PanduPoluan technically you count in seconds .. so this took around 120 seconds
@@protonx80 A lot longer than that! first he took it apart and look at the construction of the lock and made a tool and than perform that pick!
Looks like anti-drill pins in core as well @10:18. I can't imagine that it is die cast and those marks are from manufacturing.
Damn it! Why did you have to point that out? Now I'm going to have to tear the whole damn thing apart just to satisfy my curiosity!
(thank you)
Oops, somehow I figured you already knew and just didn't mention it.
Keith Ward It must be more obvious on camera than in real life, because I didn't notice those circles at all either of the two times I had it apart.
Love the Channel! Thanks for doing this review..i wanted to see your skills against a Common italian Door lock(iseo, cisa e viro are the most common). Most of the houses in Italy use this in combination with bullet proof doors.. i do have one at home. They also have an extra 2 looking bolts on the top and bottom of the door frame on the side this is mounted and 3 locking bolts on the top, centre and bottom on the other side of the doir frame. Also the frame is completely secured on an concrete frame which has been put there just for the door during construction.This combination is commons in new buildings and in house made from the 80s onwards, other hiuse they have only the look with a commons thick wooden door. I don’t know why we have them but i guess they became popular when during 80s and 90 s in italy we had alot of mafia bombing and terrorist bombing on the street.Now they because the normality!
I think the weak point in the wall, next to the door...
Thanks again for your job!
I don't know even where to begin... I think I'll just go back and watch it again. Just amazing
Thanks.
On my 4th viewing, still Mesmerized.
Old Ben LOL, thanks.
Begin with mounting lock on benchwise
In my opinion any lock you have to make a tool to pick has a dramatic bonus to security in practical situations.
Unless your being specifically targeted they tend to go for the easiest target.
And whats safer for a thief? a lock that you can look like its just worn/finicky when unlocking while picking or one that you are obviously not using the key.
Less than 1% of thieves lock pick. Having a good lock, while good for your piece of mind, doesn't make a difference on whether youe is getting burgled.
Just say you’re a locksmith
@@medes5597 to be fair the look of security is enough to make most people consider another target
Not if half the locks in the state needs that tool. Then every habitual burglary probably has it in his kit.
LPL- "I'm gonna make this harder on myself so that way you all get a better view"
Not all heroes wear capes.
But how do you know he's NOT wearing a cape while picking!?
Did that make it harder? I expected that he'd turn his whole self so there wouldn't be any massive difference.
"It's not terribly user friendly"
User-friendly to whom? Thieves?
locksmiths
Sometimes opening those with the key can be quite the task, I had those locks in all my houses and when they become cranky they can be reaaly difficult.
Anyone
Now that is a great Lock, I love the fact that *One* it uses a constant pressure system for enabling the the pins. *Two* it uses counter or false pins to basically cause you a hazard. *Three* it must turn while constantly keeping pressure not once but twice, then those massive five bolt holding bars , that is a really good security feature and undoubtedly would be about the best lock to secure anything you want to keep something in or out. Great video and awesome job picking it with basically a long flat wire to boot. Great video again.
I don’t know why, but this shit fascinates me. Found this guy yesterday and I’ve watched about 4 hrs worth of videos.
How does one go about becoming a locksmith
I know this is old but locksmiths almost NEVER pick locks, they use faster methods to get past the lock.
Usually bypasses or special tools that open the lock almost as fast as the key would.
Step 1: know how to solve situations where keys are lost/locks broken etc.
Step 2: advertise your services.
It's... a hard field to break into.
4 hourssss!!!???? Come on noob those are rookie numbers. Lol 😂 I watched a full years worth the first time I seen one of his videos lol 😆
I am very impressed with this, from how long it took to open to the build quality to the truly massive mechanism attached. This is the kind of lock I want on my door.
My wife grew up in Naples, Italy. You cannot use force to defend your house like we can her in the US, so home invasions are common. Thus, defense in the form of extra strong locks, steel reinforced doors and window bars are necessary.
+Joel Waugh Well, there's always the "three S's"
In Finland you get sued and very often convicted if you defend yourself or your property.
That's not really the reason. You can't use force to defend your property in most if not all European countries and they don't have the same home invasion problems as Italy.
I find myself obsessing over locks, lock-picking, and pick prevention; this video is fantastic! I really enjoyed the way you took us through the details of the lock's design. Thanks for doing it.
Im loving the huge lock. Would be epic installed in a cabinet, to keep the wife away from my oreos..
OrMeanGene Make sure that locking your wife in a cabinet is legal in your state.
i hope your cabinet is made of metal
Just replace the creme in a few of them with unscented toothpaste and let her find them.
Won't have an Oreo theft problem anymore. Might not have a marriage problem anymore either though...
Then the weakest link is you. You sure you're ready for that? Haha
Beautiful piece in your profile pic 😍
Great video. When you showed the lock I thought "Never seen that" but when I saw the key I realized it's indeed a common lock in Italy!
We commonly use security doors made of steel covered with a wooden veneer with steel frames, a five locking bolts it's common and usually you have another two bolts going up and down. Sometime, you have reinforced doors where the locking bolts and locks were retrofitted to a normal door so they are exposed, as another commenter was pointing out.
Now you need to make a second video showcasing the lock's function with a key.
The lock core, or the bolts?
Yes! :P
CJayC - 😂
I actually agree I want to see the entire unit in action.
@@lockpickinglawyer the entire unit would be neat to see functioning .
It’s fun to see how you’ve improved in the last five years! Even how much more comfortable you are on camera!
WOW..what an unusual lock..Great job figuring out a way to pick that one! I have always said locks are puzzles...that one is almost more puzzle than lock..LOL
Thanks... for me the figuring out/discovery phase is just as fun as the picking part. It's one of the reasons that I like unusual locks.
What a wild lock! I gotta say that I like the design. Not complex necessarily, but really effective!
LPL: *takes 2 and a half minutes to pick a lock*
Me: *opens new tab for amazon*
Ling MAO! That great, thanks for making the the best laugh I've had all day.
My favorite part was at 3 minutes 43 ish seconds when there's the fart sound. ;p
Seriously though, i love your videos. Thanks for all the quality content.
I just imagine the LPL's Wife and himself calling themselves the gate keeper and the key master
Aaah yes, it's pretty much what I have! One nice thing about this, is that on the outside, there is no handle, only on the inside. Which means that you will have to use your tool to move that other part of the door I don't remember the name, like those latchet. But it is considerably harder, so good luck with that! I say it's a great deterrent lock though, lots of tools needed to really pick it, you'd have to be very well prepared!
I started a GoFundMe for the Italian burglars. Their poor starving childens
I felt the enjoyment on explaining the lock and how his faith in "different locks" is restored from all the previous disappointment we got to see in some videos
Yes, we do use that kind of locks quite a lot. The major problem is to fit the keys in your pocket and also not have them pierced by the keys. 😂
That keyway looks like the silhouette of an SR-71 Blackbird. 😁
I am italian and I can confirm, I've seen this lock several times, although I wouldn't say it's common, at least in northern Italy, I think it's more usually found in southern regions :)
Actually, I live near Brescia, where Iseo's lake, and Iseo company, are, and those kind of locks are pretty common (I have one myself)
The coolest part about this video is seeing the consistency in methodology, but also the vast improvement over hundreds of videos.
Great vid! It would've been nice to see you actuate the lock with the key before you gutted it. Or even in the complete lock assembly. It looks like a load of fun!
Thanks... the whole mechanism is pretty cool to see in action, but I got lazy. Sorry. :-(
After watching a bunch of your videos, i came to the robust conclusion that the best security is security by obscurity :)
I was aware of this before, actually...
A friend of mine has an older model Suzuki Jimny, and where we live these things are commonly get stolen by bedouins and other entrepreneurial neighbors. So the guy put a simple solenoid valve on the fuel line and an obscure hidden switch to open it.
Got two attempts on the car, in both cases the car was abandoned a few hundred meters down the road. The second time though he got his windshield broken by a rock and pee on the steering wheel :))
"It's actually easy to pick this lock"
Gives a seminar about how complicated it is!
We are simple people LPL
He never said it was simple to pick, he said the lock itself is simple. Simple in design isn't necessarily easy to pick.
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The design is not that simple
@@vire559
The design is barely any more complicated than a standard lock, if even at all. It's a simple lock that's just designed well.
Great job. Impressive picking and very nice demo of the lock features. It is awesome to see how the lock works. Thank you for the video.
THanks.
Great video! You're like Mr Rogers, but for locks!
Best description I've heard for LPL yet.
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Benvenuti in Italia! This kind of lock housing is very common in Italy. In fact, they typically have several rods coming out of the sides that actuate rods that go into the floor and ceiling around the door so it is harder to kick in. As a foreigner, I found the doors with multiple locks, bars, and chains to be almost comical, but everyone over age 60 is convinced that this stuff is necessary.
This lock requires one complete rotation to unlock it. Usually in Lithuania door locks require two rotations to unlock (though you can lock it with one rotation if you want to). A Gerda lock requires three rotations. I guess this is an easy way to make the picking take longer.
I have seen locks that require only one rotation, but rarely.
Awesome lock design! Hats off the the one who designed it!
I would have liked to have seen you put the key in the lock and open it with that too, just to show everything just works with the key. I think it's quite amazing how they can put in all these additional security features that work seamlessly with the key but that make picking such a challenge without one.
I guess I'm late to the show here but this video is really good at showing the many skills you brought together to solve this puzzle. I wonder how long you spent looking through what I would bet is as fairly expansive set of tensioning tools before you spot the one tensioner that had never made itself useful previously and say to yourself, "Hmmm I wonder..."
Or how mamy times you shot test footage trying to keep your hands out of the way of the picking of the core before arriving at the wiper insert solution, which csnnot in itself be easy. Struck me as similar to.picking a lock with your feet while on stilts.
Or how long with how many not so good prototype tools for getting past the two blocking pins to gain access to the trap pin.
Great video, LPL all the way around. Very interesting lock and key, great pick, great gutting. and holy cow, the mechanism the lock fits in was impressive as well. This would br a strong contender my personal list of Top 10 LPL videos.
Thank yoy for putting this all together. You put a lot of time into the prep of this video and it shows. Five stars!
They could easily add more trap pins to dramatically increase picking time.
Thank you very much for showing this lock. It was super interesting to watch :). Nice explained and easy to understand. Looks almost like a vault lock. Also locking bolts up and down the door are often seen in europe. I have been to italy almost 20 years ago, but sadly didn't take a look at the locks ;).
Thanks. I saw a fair number of locks like this when I lived in Greece (also around 20 years ago)... but that was long before my interest in lock blossomed.
i love the ones where he pulls out some weird tension tool and says he had no idea what it was for until encountering the unusual lock
That was awesome . Simple my foot .only had to make a special tool and pick each pin 16 times and hold down middle the entire time, but totally simple lmao. This was a very interesting pick brother . Ty for showing it to us!
Did you have to take apart the lock first to make the trap pin tool? Would someone who has no knowledge of this lock's internal function be able to pick it?
To answer the second question, I would be pretty certain that the answer is no. It's just too obscure to get it picked without prior knowledge of the mechanism.
Latvia uses these routinely! I've stayed many times in an apartment in liepaja with these, I felt very safe.
1 180 turn per bolt, then another to open the door
"Really really simple lock"... that takes someone of his skill 2 minutes and 26 seconds to pick... i know what lock I am buying for christmas :))))
It is 'simple task' to raise a car with a crane, by hand it ain't easy... yet it is still a 'simple task'.
Greetings
This is very cool and has inspired me to try lock picking. As a kid I had an American Lock A701KA 2" pad lock and I don't know what happened to it but I'd like to start with that one. I will be training by watching these videos and making my own picks using an anvil and hammer to shape some various implements.
Unusual and very well done as usual: bravo!
Driver pins seem the same length (and normals) but not the springs.
I think this is an old version of this model. ;)
Thank you. I'm sure this is an old version of the lock -- look at the logo on the key. I don't think that logo has been used for many years.
Very common in France too. Lots of doors are steel core and have either just a lock like that, lock plus a horizontal bar across the door and if you spend more money vertical bolts securing the door to the floor.
A necessity in some areas...
Wow, that is one hell of a lock, great job on getting that open. I may have to get one of those for my Lock Shed door :-)
Thanks... this lock has expansion packs for top and bottom door bolts as well. As long as you are securing the shed, you might as well go all out!
This took an extraordinarily long time to pick and required specialized and customized tools. I’d say this is a really good lock.
More locks should have that center button.
Wow, Italians really like their quintuple-bolted locks! One time in St. Peter's basilica in Rome, I saw a hidden door built into the wall - just a small, innocuous-looking hole (for a key), and a larger than normal crack between two sections of marble wall. But in that crack you could see light - and five deadbolts!
that lock is amazing! You did a superb job coming up with an attack method, very creative, very insightful. its like the lock Dr. Suess would have on the door to his secret book depository...
You mentioned this lock is rather common in Italy. What are they using it for in practice?
Thanks. While I have never seen one in use personally, my understanding is that this is used on normal residential doors. In my travels to other countries, I have seen some pretty impressive residential door hardware, with multiple bolts coming from all directions. In a few places, multiple bolts seemed to be the rule rather than the exception.
Nice lock design, really secure yet so simple mechanically! Definitely hardest 4 pin lock I've seen
I guess one should say that this lock "Surpasses the 'Exceeded' Maximum Security" !
Well, that's the lock I have in my house. Glad to see that's very hard and intrincate! Here in Europe this kind of lock is very common. Nice video!
The usual italian genius! I have rarely seen other locks so challenging/complicate for LPL
"Is said to be one of the most secure locks on the market." Takes 10 seconds to pick. "Really simple lock" over two minutes... lol
Yup we had some similar door locks in our home. Thieves took some candles and burnt the wooden door lock slots. Locks were indeed intact and locked of course haha
would have been nice to see you move it about and show how the two part worked
Don't really know anything about locks but orienting that pins along the axis of the lock seems to make it so you could make a special "pick" which is a key where the four active sections can be pushed forward and back... this would also allow decoding the lock.
you should sell your rateings as LPL rateing in seconds for lock manufacturers.
Lets say LPL rateing for piccing 121(seconds)- LPL121, If picing is not possible LPLg(angle grinder) 20sec, LPLd(demolishing) etc.
this is one of the most unique locks I've seen! almost like they re-invented the whole concept of a lock-- I can't imagine someone being able to reverse engineer this, in the field
I guess that type of locks are not only in italy i live in portugal and they are easy to come by.
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One possible answer to the question of how to decode and master the mechanisms of this lock is "You should get the construction plan for this lock in advance".
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But I am the absolute layperson in this area.
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The topic "unlocking locks without a key" is very interesting and very exciting. The whole topic has an undeniable practical component.
Did you have to disassemble the lock to determine it's inner workings before picking? What a unique lock!
Absolutely, I took it apart first! The key to my picking is forming and maintaining a picture of the inside of the lock in my mind. You can't do that unless you intimately understand the mechanism first.
I knew the answer to that question, like no doubt whatsoever!
Ok its pick-able.....BUT you need to open the gate to enter the apartment complex, open the door to the apartment building, you then have 4-6 full rotations with the lock, use another key to pull back a strong spring loaded latch to open the door not to mention the other 8 dead bolts which can only be accessed from the inside of the apartment.
You always have the most unusual locks - thanks a lot for showing them to us. Great job in explaining and picking. Do you know the application for the lock? What kind of door did it secure?
Thanks buddy. As far as the application goes, my understanding is that these are/were used on normal residential doors.
LockPickingLawyer Bulky key to carry in the pocket ;-)
I have family in Italy and i have been there to visit them.
I can confirm that theses locks are everywhere. This is a common lock on a front door. Keep in mind that most homes there are condominiums with gated courtyards also.
Here Italy, I have it on my door but less rugged than the mechanism at the end of the video. Also I have to turn the key in the opposite direction than normal ones.
Simple but effective I believe is the story here. I would love this lock on my room door, I live in a multi tenant home lol
Nice pick. It seems to me you really have to have some control while using a 'straight' wiper insert to manipulate the pins or am I missing something? Also, could you mod the pins in this to have serrated and spool types in it? Or would it make no real difference in the pick?
Thanks. That straight wiper probably added 30% more time to the pick... I was picking from 4"+ away from the lock. It was the only way to keep my hammy hands from taking up the whole frame! Security pins would definitely add some complication to the pick, but not that much IMO.
Idk buddy, this sounds pretty advanced, enough to make someone not wanna bother, much more complicated than a tubular lock...
I wonder if this lock is susceptible to a shearing torque attack when the brass pins are below shear?
thoughts?
A possible answer to the question of how to decode and master the mechanisms of this lock is "You should get the construction plan for this lock in advance". But I am the absolute layperson in this area. The topic "unlocking locks without a key" is very interesting and very exciting. The whole topic has an undeniable practical component.
I want one of these I just want to have to have that key on my key ring.
These are common in France as well. All the flats in my appartement block have them. What he didn't show was that even once your unlock the door you still have one bolt that needs you to push the key in and turn about a quarter for.
The key looks similar to one of the Fichet's I have but think they have different alien technology within.👍Very cool lock and quite tricky for a 4 pinner!
Thanks. I know what you're talking about, and the Fichet is MUCH, MUCH harder.
Thanks for the time and effort to produce this video, awesome pick. 👍
Thanks. :-)
You are amazing. simply amazing.
Thanks, though this lock wasn't that bad. The difficult part is figuring out the lock, and putting a strategy together. BY the time I start picking, all the hard work is done.
The amount of special tools required to pick this Lock, its a land slide victory. Not to mention how much effort lpl has put through.
Amazing. You make every pick look easy. Are there any locks that have defeated you, or at least slowed you down a little?
Thanks. Something to remember: When I received this lock, the first thing I did was take it apart and internalize the mechanism. I also picked it twice to confirm that I could do it before turning on the camera. Once you see my video, I've done my recon on the lock, and already established that I have a working plan of attack. :-) As for locks that have defeated me (for now), there is a LONG list. I couldn't even begin to list them here.
@@lockpickinglawyer do you get frustrated if you can't get it? It must feel great when you do though