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- REFEREE VS SPECTATOR FEUD AFTER TWO PENALTIES IN 30 SECONDS!!!
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I stopped refereeing a long time ago because I got tired of arguing the rules with people who don't know the rules.
Same
I dont aruge, I am deaf on audience and giving card to players for complain
You guys are so "tough" hahaha, now I know why referees are such cunts. Fuck ya'll
You were right to stop officiating if you were arguing with people. A good official takes control of the situation, has no need to explain himself or the rules.
Laws not rules.
Easy to make a judgment when you can rewatch an incident in slow motion vs when you get one quick look
Victor how is it easy if his hand was down and there’s 5 bodies in front of the ref. The referee made a right call as much as it sucks because his hand was slightly out. I wouldn’t have argued had he dismissed it. My comment wasn’t even geared towards this one game. It’s directed at anyone who judges players or refs from watching recorded replays.
@@clowdy1206 the first call was harsh, the player hand was in a natural position. If I was a ref I wouldn’t call that.
@@vika0194 clearly never been a referee now have you!
@@vika0194 actually you do need to keep a central position as if the ball is crossed into the box (which is most likely) the your in the best position and if it goes over to the other side and your not in the middle but the side it was previously at then you’ll see nothing! And with the handball itself, well it’s one of those decisions where one teams going to complain no matter what you give, as even with things like VAR that decision would’ve probably stayed at whatever the on the pitch ref decided, which you could say was harsh but certainly not an “obvious incorrect call”! I mean unless you only got your officiating license like a week ago.
@@vika0194 ok and what level are you may I ask? As what your saying doesn’t show the 7 years of officiating experience
The PK (while originally may not have been awarded given that from the only angle we were given looked like it was in a natural position) would have been retaken if the ref & AR called it correctly before the clear foul that lead to another PK. The keeper moves off the line with both feet before the kick is taken and encroachment from the players into the box before the PK is taken.
"before the clear fould lead to another PK" What BS, they both fell over = play on.
@@MusiCatsKing- they both “fell over” because the blue player came into the back of the white player forcing them both to the ground. By rule these are called fouls. I am sure blue didn’t mean to, but it was reckless which is against the rules of soccer.
The second that the guy walks out there and starts running his mouth at the ref, he should be booted. That's completely unacceptable.
Dissent is a yellow card. And ref should act at his own discretion.
@@FavreianVengeance yellow card to a spectator? What laws are you playing under?
@@Fozzee.1970 - When the crowd is not controlled by security (fences and/or officials), refs can and should issue yellow and red cards to spectators for unacceptable behavior. If you think a modern youth soccer game can be controlled without that option, you haven't been paying attention.
@@Fozzee.1970you do realize spectators can get a yellow and red card. Come on man you should now that
@@Fozzee.1970spectators being carded is very common in games without security
First one was harsh BUT should have been retaken because of encroachment. The ref should of at least back his assistant up and sent the parent away or ordered him from the field of play
I'm a referee as well and they were both good calls. The defending players arm made his body naturally bigger and there was a blatant touch on the 2nd foul.
First one was never a pen are you mad? His arms are in a natural position
2nd one the defender gets to the ball first and has his body in the way. The attacker made no attempt to adjust and just rammed into the defender. So 2nd one is not a foul.
So you are going to tell me the first one was a pen? Probably should stop referring then.
Agreed! Many people say natural position, but if you watch it back in .25x speed, you can see that while he does pull his arm in, he then sticks his hand back out past his hip to stop the ball. Great eyes by the referee crew! Don't know how people can't see the second foul, especially from the second angle, clearly goes through the back of the guy's leg to try for the ball. Could've been a yellow due to reckless play or dogso (yellow bc penalty) if you reasoned the distance to goal and only three defenders, including goalkeeper.
I don't know about that old guy, but for my real estate needs I'm calling Tom!
Referee was correct , he missed the encroachment of the two players in blue team also
Goalkeeper stepped off the line as well.
@@statto74 There is nothing in the laws of the game which mentions playing the ball .
Yea the first one is a tough call, ya it hits the elbow but the arm is tight to the body, probably a no call n my opinion. And agree that it should have been retaken with the Croatia players entering too early. 2nd one is a clear peno tho, guy gets taken out from behind, good call.
1st one No pen. Arm was in a natural position and he couldn't get it out of the way. 2nd looked as though he was already on the way down but can see why the ref gave it. Defender should have been more careful making any challenge from behind in thatsituation.
Kurtis Bailey i don’t remember exactly when the rules changed but today, it would be a penalty. Now, no matter the position of the players arm, if they prevent a goal scoring opportunity with their hand, it’s a penalty/foul.
SoccerStar ATX you need to re-read Law 12. The recent change is related to the offensive player. It remains the same for the defensive player. That was not a penalty then or now.
I agree completely. and, yes, hand ball rules are changing. second penalty looks good. it looks like blue player steps on heel of white player.
@@mivanp2185 if he's was right next to the player crossing the ball maybe but he was a good ten yards away he could have moved his hand that's a penalty.
Encroachment on the first penalty. Should’ve been a retake.
yeah by the 2 defenders and the goalie
@@btjohnns you don’t usually call on the defenders unless they get the rebound first. If it doesn’t impact play then don’t call it.
The goalie encroached on too many branches of McDonalds.
@@TonyEnglandUK 😂😂😂
That referee handled himself really well. And I have no problem with either call. They were both really close though I thought that the second one was a clear foul. My guess is the arguing fan is just a local drunk that all of them know. He didn't exactly get a lot of support from the players.
Fan was actually Whitey Bulger.
The biggest problem in this video is parents thinking they know what they’re talking about and the constant yelling, coaching, etc. from the parents. For all my teams I train, I tell the parents right away if they say anything besides great job, nice goal, etc. I’m telling them to leave. Even if they aren’t going nuts and just “coaching” from the side, they aren’t the coach. These parents are awful today
No chance is the first one a pen. But when it’s taken and not scored it should be retaken, 21 is practically at the penalty spot before the shot is taken. Oh and the second offence is 100% a pen.
1st one no penalty, but 2nd one is a good call.
The1 AndOnly both PKs easily
@@jamielahmad6657 Lol read the laws of the game. First one is never ever a penalty.
Fuck you bitch. Şikebahçe
Victor it’s a clear penalty. His hand is away from his body. You know this because the fact that if his hand was not there, the ball would’ve moved freely in air.
That’s what I’m thinking
It's funny, because they where complaining about getting another kick when no matter what there should have been a re-kick because not just one but TWO players #21 #86 entered the box before the kick was taken. So no matter what when the ball was saved it should have been retaken.
wow just noticed that . They were soooo far in the box when the kick was taken
@@ISTSoccer Yeah.... that's what threw me off the first PK ;-)
That's actually a really good spot well done I never noticed that before
Goalkeeper stepped well off the line too.
That encroachment on the first pen was so bad I would of have ordered it to be retaken anyway
As a referee, I'm embarrassed by seeing the first penalty call. The rule states:
"A handball occurs if any player, other than the team’s goalkeeper within his own penalty area, deliberately handles the ball when in play."
The player had his arms by his side, had the ball drilled at him and did not move his arms/hands to intercept the ball. It's a clear case of "ball to hand", and should never have been a penalty.
I had to watch a replay, just to try and figure out what the penalty was given for - as I couldn't figure it out, on first watching!
First penalty - defender #21 comes into the penalty area before the ball has been struck. I warn all players, before a penalty is taken, that it will be retaken automatically under two conditions
1. Defender enters early, and goal is not scored
2. Attacker enters early, and goal is scored.
It's right in front of the referee, he can't fail to see this happen - should have been a retaken penalty after the save.
Second penalty claim. No complaints here, defender cannot get to the ball and makes a clumsy tackle. No need for any cards, but it's a definite penalty.
Agree with you mate first penalty was incredibly harsh but the second one, penalty every day of the week
so Perisic handball in World Cup final is not handball ?
@@dannydanny1034 - an interesting question, one that has been debated at length!
My personal reply would be that Perisic's handball was a penalty. I remember seeing it, at the time, and thought it wasn't a penalty, or was too close to call. However, watching the replay, in slow motion, a number of times - his left hand seems to move down towards the ball's direction. His right hand does not to the same thing, so it wasn't a natural movement as a result of the jump. He consciously moved his hand. So, it was "hand to ball", not "ball to hand".
However, that is with the benefit of watching a replay multiple times - a luxury that the referee in an amateur level game does not have :)
I’m a referee and 110 percent agree I cop abuse but just think to yourself there the ones who are paying you
Also a ref here, i wouldn’t have called the first a pen but also there are many cases of non deliberate handballs that are still fouls/penalties. If a handball affects the play in a severe way even if it’s non deliberate it is still a handball, I think some people take this rule too literally
As a ref myself, no one thinks you are cool when you fight the ref. Piss off and let us do our job. We get paid wether the game happens or not. We WILL call it off.
Couldn't have said it better myself mate
Good 1st call, older players get very good at disguising handling the ball.
Go frame by frame and watch him open his palm, and bend at the knees so as to deliberately put his hand in the way of the shot...very sneaky.
Was the "F" bomb actually directed at the referee with no reprercussions??
It should have been a retake on PK 1 because of Encroachment by No. 21 @0:31
Definitely not 😂😂 he was not involved in anything after the pen
@@allybool not sure if you are going off English law or American law but English law says that involvement with play does not matter. If they encroach, the encroach and a retake is awarded
@@joel5267 use some common sense pls
@@allybool mate I've been reffing for three years and done the courses. I know what I'm on about
@@joel5267 what like all the donkey prem refs? Referees get things wrong u know because they forget common sense is a thing
I wished you couldve showed the replays to that spectator to shut him up
The ref is always right.
That's how football works.
I was on a Board for Soccer in our Town. We started a ban on parents criticizing referees. The first week this started one of the other board members was criticizing a 17 year old girl referee. That was the end for me.
Yea, a lot of organizers and coaches are the biggest hypocrites
In My opinion, the first one is not a penalty, hands in the right place, no way he couldent "hide" better is hands, the 2nd for me is a right call, he fell over the striker, good call also by The aar
1st was never a pen but the 2nd on replay is the clearest penalty I've seen in my life. He literally gets their 1st gets his body in front of the defender and the barrels through him lol.
1st one very tough call, 2nd one is a good PK. But the original PK should have been retaken due to defender encroachment. Referee needs to be quick when calling the 2nd pk, as you can tell game control is about to be lost.
Second PK is a no-brainer, clear offense in the PA.
I love how #7 in white scores that second goal and give the jackwad in the blue cap a "that one's for you." And THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is how you deal with hecklers.
Unless you're LeChina James, of course. Then you run to the referee and cry, "That person is saying MEAN things to me," and getting them run out of the building.
Great save on that first PK - the handball was not intentional, rather incidental contact
@Brian Driscoll No it has to be "playing the ball" rather than the ball "playing the player"
It really doesn’t matter if it’s intentional. The Hand ball stopped a shot on goal. If his hands weren’t there it could have been a possible goal or at least a shot on. The hand ball gave the opposing team an advantage therefore the penalty was correct.
@@princemoronfolu The guy's hands are near his side and have to be somewhere (otherwise cut his hands off :) - if he didn't intend to deflect the ball, it's not intentional and no foul. Ifab Law 12: ..."if the hand/arm is close to the body and does not make the body unnaturally bigger" it is no foul.
@@stevefisher8323 I disagree as this should be penalized under denying of goal scoring opportunity. He shouldn’t be cautioned because he didn’t intend to play the ball. You however have a point and in my opinion IFAB rules are very ambiguous especially with their hand ball rules!
@@princemoronfolu The other issue is the level of the game - is it younger kids, high school, college, pro - the expectations can change and the other caveat is always "in the opinion of the referee" where soccer reffing is as much art as science :)
Tough call. To me looks like the defender reacted to the ball and it hit his hand. PK. However it should have been a rekick anyway as the blue players were in the penalty area prior to the kick.
Totally agree so did I
Amazingly slow reflexes by the keeper on that second goal. Looked he expected the chip and had his weight back. What a buffoon :)
Both of those calls were correct, 2 PKs awarded
Yeah at first I thought the 2nd one was a bad call, but after watching it 17,000 times in slow-mo, I have to admit: It was a surprisingly GOOD call. (Lucky? LOL) Usually soccer refs just BLOW THE WHISTLE every time someone falls down.
Should we add more replays?
@@ISTSoccer Sure
Both proper calls and they know it.
On the first PK, did the goalie move too quickly'? Also, 2 blue players moved in too soon, which would mean the PK needs to be retaken.
The PK should have been retaken due to encroachment by attacker(s) and defender(s), the GK is allowed to move but has to stay on his line (all players except the kicker have to be 10 yards from the ball until it has been kicked.
2 CLEAR PENALTY KICKS !
I agreed with both of the calls.
2:28 even fkn Nico from GTA 5 is spectating the match
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Second one was clear first one could’ve been ball to hand or handball it’s reAlly 50/5
the first mistake was when the referee allowed the spectator to approach him. Just walk away and inform coaches the game will restart when the spectator is told to leave the field. The second mistake is that the guy was smoking, probably won't be around for the next season.
First one definitely wasn't a penalty but difficult to tell with such a wicked deviation
Second one definitely was a penalty (and incredibly naive defending too)
Kozina Enterprise getting some free air time!
First one shouldn't have been a hand ball. Ball kicked into his hand , he didn't try to stop the ball with his hand. Second on a clear foul. He never made contact with the ball and ran through the player in front of him. To all the sideline judges , try reffing this at full speed with Ahole parents on the sideline yelling at you.
ahh u just game me idea... set up camera at games - one cam focus only at parents - grab their reactions
I don't much like either call; but honestly both of these would have been called in EPL and FIFA.
First ones iffy, it could go either way it depends on the game flow. The second one he could’ve saved himself the trouble if he just called the players that entered the box early. It would’ve been a re kick no matter what since the defensive team entered the box before the ball was kicked.
Yellow card to goalkeeper for kicking ball away after whistle (first pen)
Second yellow to goalkeeper + retake first pen (keeper was off line)
Red card
1st one no foul, arm was down by his side in a natural position. 2nd one definitely a foul, how can anyone argue with it? Offensive player got to the ball first and was run into by the defender. The fact that there can be 2 pk’s back to back just blows people’s minds. It’s like when parent’s say ‘All the calls are going against us’ Well did it ever occur to you that maybe your son’s team is doing all the fouling?
It baffles me to read that some people think the first one is a penalty. It is ball to hand and never ever a penalty, even if the defender was on the goal line and the ball to hand prevented a goal.
Tough call there. If that 2nd penalty kick wasn't called, then should've been re-taken for encroaching
It's a shame people have to disrespect the officials to make themselves feel good about a call
On the initial PK the blue players were in the box before he even kicked it, so replay the initial PK!
One thing leaves no doubt...
White really blow at taking PKs
People like that are why sports leagues everywhere are having a hard time recruiting and retaining referees.
Grown men screaming at kids, over a game.
that first one was natural position (at least it looked like it from the POV given)
First pen should be retaken for encroachment second one is borderline encroachment
Both are pens at this level and without ANY sort of replay technology. I don’t see the issue here
First penalty is incorrect, however there's no debating the second penalty. It should have been retaken for BLATANT encroachment anyway, but the foul is clear. The attacker clearly establishes position and the defender makes contact which is enough for a penalty
First one wasn’t a penalty. Second one was more of a penalty than the first, by far.
Should've been a retake of the pen anyway. Two defenders clearly entered the box before the ball was kicked.
I can’t figure out the blue team PK strategy. In both kicks Blue attackers went with the kicker into the area before the ball was kicked. Almost like an American football kickoff.
Ignoring the debate on whether it was a handball (as the balance between how far away was the kick and how far from the body was the arm is quite delicate), the first penalty should have been retaken, as the goalie was off the line early.
spectacle aside, thats a good camera
Referee should pay attention to the massive encroachment by the defenders right in front of his face on the 1st kick, and have it re-taken. Of course, maybe shouldn't have called the 1st penalty at all...
The First call was a harsh one his hands where in a natural position saying that he awarded the pen and when missed it should of been retaken as clearly there is Defending Team players in the Area prior to the kick been taken
THIS is why soccer is such a messed up sport. A handball SHOULD either be a handball or not. And should not have all of these variations and possibilities. There are FAR too many judgment calls in soccer and this is why A) the officials make themselves a HUGE part of the game A LOT and B) they catch GRIEF for their calls CONSTANTLY. If the sport wasn't so wishy-washy.........it wouldn't be THIS bad.
The old guy should be yellow carded just for wearing brown on brown on brown.
First one was indeed a handball ref didn't call it fans got upset. That right there refs you got to stay alert and pay close attention otherwise you'll get nasty words from spectators.
The first penalty should have been retaken due to major encroachment by the two defenders anyway, so even if you think the second one isn't a pen, it should have been retaken anyway. One of the reasons we are losing so many officials is due to spectators like this. Watch the game... you have no business saying anything to the referee.
Where else?! Toronto!!!
2nd one is a nailed on pen
Both clear penalties. Plus should’ve been a retake. Pause at 0:31
Agree
You clearly don't know shit about football LMAO
Two mistakes made by the officials: 1 - First penalty was an accidental hand ball by the defender - no penalty. 2 - Two blue defenders clearly ran into the penalty box before the penalty kick - penalty should have been retaken.
1. That's a handball (or handling), accidential or not. Penalty kick rewarded.
2. 100% agree. And it happened right in front of the ref who should have immediately blown his whistle and retake the PK.
At games I've seen threw the years spectators talking to refs Would last ten seconds before they had to leave the field.
First one is a handball because it stops the progression of an attack. According to the fifa laws, it is a handball regardless of intention
That 2nd penalty was BS. They both fell over, so play on. They should've taught that corrupt ref a lesson by sending him off on a stretcher!
1st penalty should have been retaken as 2 defenders ran into the area prior to the attacker kicking the ball.
Ref was correct. The 30 second interval is irrelevant. #1-hand ball (hand not tucked in but out from the body), #2-take down from behind (even if you touch the ball a take down from behind is a foul, no question). These calls by the ref are not even controversial. Not even close to being wrong
As a Brit i can tell you the first definitely wasn't a penalty but the second one was 😂😂🇬🇧✌
As a human being with eyes, I can tell you the first one was a clear penalty
@@Presleysixty if you are a referee then you are fine saying that but if you aren’t you have no idea how hard it is to make a decision in real time
Given the way the Premier League has made a complete mess of VAR, I’m not sure you want to admit to being a Brit here!
@@beaudure01 how can the premier league make a mess of a computer program 😂😂
@@MichaelSmith-bn6hm I don’t know, but they did!
to be fair the penalty deserved to be retaken, two members of blue were in the box way before the taker had striked the ball, and since he missed, according to the laws of the game , it should have been given again
No one was offside when the ball was played in, the defenders hand was not in an “un-natural position” when the ball clearly struck it, to give a penalty the referee needs to have seen the defenders arm in an un-natural position and/or moving towards the ball, so no penalty and a bad mistake by the ref.
Penalty should have been retaken because of encroachment, but that’s nit-picking somewhat. Second penalty, I think the attacker tripped/stumbled no sign of defender tripping him so you have to decide did he run into the back of his opponent to make him trip, it’s a judgement call, (edit) even if defender didn’t trip him initially he ran into the attacker impeding his recovery so it’s a penalty.
Don’t know why the whites coach/supporter was so mad, the opposing GK was so rubbish they would always win the game.
I thought they called encroachment
The first one wasn't a penalty his hang was by his side and the second one was definitely apparently you can't tackle from behind
Keeper moved the second time too, which would have invited more drama....
1st, no penalty; the goalie came off his line anyway...re-kick the PK. 2nd was questionable...if anything, the ball should go the other way...free kick to blue.
Both good calls, and I hate referees.
Should be a redo of the first PK since the blue team encroached A TON lmao
Regardless of what you think about the veracity of the foul decisions, the referee should have easily been through Ask, Tell, Dismiss in the duration of that confrontation. The gentleman who was confronting should NOT have been permitted to stay on the field of play after approaching and directly intimidating a match official.
should NOT have been permitted to stay on the field of play...........he wasnt ' on ' the field of play , and , who owns that field? if it is a public field, the ref has no authority at all.
That guy would have been gone in 5 seconds if I was the ref. Plus, he's smoking. Another ejection.
And everyone wonders why officials don't want to work games when they're constantly questioned about every single call they make. Not worth it.
The first one is a no call because the arm was closed not open, if he made himself bigger than I would of call that PK. Also that second one is clear as hell he kick him not even going for the ball then yet they have the nerve to question the AR decision?!
I thought the first penalty was 50:50. IMO, I'd have called play-on because, while there was contact, the arm was in a relatively natural position but I can see this being called either way.
The second penalty was blatant and there is no argument. A clear penalty.
The first one should not be a penalty as the arm is in a natural position, but perhaps the ref had a better angle.
The first penalty kick should have been retaken for not one, but two defenders encroaching into the penalty area before the ball was kicked.
The second one appears to be a clear penalty as he is tripped up from behind. Even the AR was signaling that one.
The spectator should have been tossed for confronting the officials about their decision. I would have not let him stay there.
These players look pretty old to be having a parent argue with the ref on the field.🤣😆🤣😆🤣😆🤣
Keeper looked off his line before the ball was struck the first time anyway......probably should've been a retake
1st call no pen but the 2 call clear pen
I’m a soccer player and soon to be referee it was not a handball because his hand was inside his body and it wasn’t intentional. It was Definetley a pk tho he hit his legs from behind before he hit the ball
First - no penalty, second 100 % penalty
The penalty shot should have been retaken anyway. A couple of players on the blue team clearly left the line and started running towards the goal way before the guy took the shot. You can't enter the box until the shot is taken.
Those goals aren’t regulation size