Recently, Coach McKie shared his thoughts on the wing-t offense. Here is what I agree with, and what I disagree with. Coach McKie youtube channel: / coachmckie
I see so many spread teams getting blown out because they don’t have the athletes to run spread. I know it’s popular but if you want to win and keep from getting blown out Wing t will do it for you.
Not a Wing-T Guy but we run the I-formation and are a downhill running team. If I had a dollar for every time a fan or another parent yelled down they have 10-11 in the Box I could retire from my Job and just coach football. The difference between a Designed Hole Run vs a Zone run is you only have to block and account for the people who will directly impact the designated hole. What i mean by that is If I am running iso against a 4-4 look all i need to account for are the playside DE playside Nose Playside Linebacker and the Overhang Backer. If the play is run properly and the back hits the hole if the Backside Linebacker or Safety are making the tackle it is for an 8 yard Gain. Also the OL dont have to sustain blocks as long because of the designated hole means the back can hit it full speed. Vs a Spread zone team which is asking a RB to make a read of OL who are also being asked to Overtake defenders which are two of the hardest things to do at the High school level consistently. Against a basic spread Zone option the defense can add one extra guy to the box off the backside to account for the QB and essentially negate that play from being successful. That doesnt even get to mention the passing game that comes from those hard play action fakes and the reactions it creates when you are running the ball successful as an offense that isnt a spread and shred style.
If you trail you lose definitely has merit imo. When your wing-t offense can’t move the ball your defense can be world beaters, but if they’re constantly on the field they’re gonna crack. It’s predictable and easy to coach against. I love your rebuttal though. I’m only on TH-cam watching these vids because I HATED our wing-t offense in high school! It was cool to get a current coaches perspective. I wish you continued success
That can be said for any offense though. If you go 15-45 passing for 102 and 5 picks then you’re not exactly putting your defense in a good spot either
They are indeed a powerhouse. Great tradition and even the kids in town will tell you they want to be an Oakdale Mustang when you ask them what they want to be. Buy in is so important
I lean much more heavily towards the Wing T than a Spread/Air Raid. However I believe that you must always fit your system to your kids. Adjust accordingly and just play with the kids buying in
@@joblinboom9221 thanks man. I appreciate it. Definitely think you handled this in a respectful and professional way. I'm less than impressed, honestly, with the video you're responding to. The absolute best teams, year in and year out, have a system. And they cater that system to their players talents. IMO the Wing-T teams I've seen have the best foundation to do so because they're not switching schemes every 4-5 years. They're adapting the scheme, slightly, to each year's group of players. And can replicate those adaptations 5 years later if need be, because they've done it before. Coach are you on Twitter?
@@all_22_films I agree 100% with everything you just said. I have a Twitter account, but I'm not active/rarely ever tweet, maybe an occasional lazy retweet.🤣
@@joblinboom9221 Got you. I wanted to ask your thoughts on a scheme comparison vid I'm working on. Basically, comparing the sequence-based system of OZ/Stretch and PA Boot with Split Zone to the Wing-T. (Not the Formation, the system) Where you have similar backfield action, nearly identical, for 2 or 3 plays that complement each other. I'm working on a vid using film of 49er/Rams/Titans/Browns and comparing them in this simplistic way: OZ/Stretch as Bucksweep; PA Boot as Waggle; Split Zone as a hybrid of Trap (24/26) and Belly Cross-Block. Haven't finished it yet. Wanted to point out that there's really a lot more similarities between "modern concepts" and "old school" systems that are still being used far more than a lot of football fans realize. Forgive the long reply, it's a topic I feel passionate about but NFL fans are often very misinformed about how old certain concepts are.
@@all_22_films I think you've got a great idea there. There are a lot more similarities/overlap than people realize when looking at complimentary play packages and you've picked out some good examples. I don't watch as much NFL as you do, but I do watch quite a bit of NCAA and still today teams like Oklahoma (at least recently under Riley) ran a ton of packages with the counter trey which dates all the way back to Joe Gibbs and the Redskins of the 1980s. Just a few years back Gus Malzahn's Auburn team crushed Missouri in the SEC Championship running buck sweep for a million yards (only out of shotgun). What's old is new and what's new is old. People forget that teams ran shotugn (1930s single wing) before QBs took snaps under center (Chicago Bears under Halas).
The wing t does have spread formations, if you look at what gus malzahn did at auburn in 2011 most of that is wing t variations. Look up coach Dave bishop and coach Bob Christmas and you will see the possibilities.
I see so many spread teams getting blown out because they don’t have the athletes to run spread. I know it’s popular but if you want to win and keep from getting blown out Wing t will do it for you.
Absolutely love this. I just messaged this coach whom you are critiquing today about those very same issues or cons as he calls it.
Not a Wing-T Guy but we run the I-formation and are a downhill running team. If I had a dollar for every time a fan or another parent yelled down they have 10-11 in the Box I could retire from my Job and just coach football. The difference between a Designed Hole Run vs a Zone run is you only have to block and account for the people who will directly impact the designated hole. What i mean by that is If I am running iso against a 4-4 look all i need to account for are the playside DE playside Nose Playside Linebacker and the Overhang Backer. If the play is run properly and the back hits the hole if the Backside Linebacker or Safety are making the tackle it is for an 8 yard Gain. Also the OL dont have to sustain blocks as long because of the designated hole means the back can hit it full speed. Vs a Spread zone team which is asking a RB to make a read of OL who are also being asked to Overtake defenders which are two of the hardest things to do at the High school level consistently. Against a basic spread Zone option the defense can add one extra guy to the box off the backside to account for the QB and essentially negate that play from being successful. That doesnt even get to mention the passing game that comes from those hard play action fakes and the reactions it creates when you are running the ball successful as an offense that isnt a spread and shred style.
Just saw this video and love it!
Thanks! I'm a big fan of your work. Keep it up!
You sold me on the weak tacklers issue. Especially the challenges at 14:58.
If you trail you lose definitely has merit imo. When your wing-t offense can’t move the ball your defense can be world beaters, but if they’re constantly on the field they’re gonna crack. It’s predictable and easy to coach against. I love your rebuttal though. I’m only on TH-cam watching these vids because I HATED our wing-t offense in high school! It was cool to get a current coaches perspective. I wish you continued success
That can be said for any offense though. If you go 15-45 passing for 102 and 5 picks then you’re not exactly putting your defense in a good spot either
@@baronvonbear8285 Absolutely, I see a lot of spread teams without a qb who get blown out big time.
@@madD8845 and the idea that these older offense are easy to coach against is illogical also
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Excellent point.
Need some more videos great content
Talk to kids from Oakdale Ca. They love wing-t. They believe in their system!
They are indeed a powerhouse. Great tradition and even the kids in town will tell you they want to be an Oakdale Mustang when you ask them what they want to be. Buy in is so important
I lean much more heavily towards the Wing T than a Spread/Air Raid. However I believe that you must always fit your system to your kids. Adjust accordingly and just play with the kids buying in
Fantastic video. Classy and professional way of refuting three really weak arguments against the Wing-T.
Thanks! I'm a big fan of your channel. Keep up the good work!
@@joblinboom9221 thanks man. I appreciate it.
Definitely think you handled this in a respectful and professional way. I'm less than impressed, honestly, with the video you're responding to.
The absolute best teams, year in and year out, have a system. And they cater that system to their players talents.
IMO the Wing-T teams I've seen have the best foundation to do so because they're not switching schemes every 4-5 years. They're adapting the scheme, slightly, to each year's group of players. And can replicate those adaptations 5 years later if need be, because they've done it before.
Coach are you on Twitter?
@@all_22_films I agree 100% with everything you just said. I have a Twitter account, but I'm not active/rarely ever tweet, maybe an occasional lazy retweet.🤣
@@joblinboom9221 Got you. I wanted to ask your thoughts on a scheme comparison vid I'm working on.
Basically, comparing the sequence-based system of OZ/Stretch and PA Boot with Split Zone to the Wing-T. (Not the Formation, the system)
Where you have similar backfield action, nearly identical, for 2 or 3 plays that complement each other. I'm working on a vid using film of 49er/Rams/Titans/Browns and comparing them in this simplistic way:
OZ/Stretch as Bucksweep;
PA Boot as Waggle;
Split Zone as a hybrid of Trap (24/26) and Belly Cross-Block.
Haven't finished it yet. Wanted to point out that there's really a lot more similarities between "modern concepts" and "old school" systems that are still being used far more than a lot of football fans realize. Forgive the long reply, it's a topic I feel passionate about but NFL fans are often very misinformed about how old certain concepts are.
@@all_22_films I think you've got a great idea there. There are a lot more similarities/overlap than people realize when looking at complimentary play packages and you've picked out some good examples. I don't watch as much NFL as you do, but I do watch quite a bit of NCAA and still today teams like Oklahoma (at least recently under Riley) ran a ton of packages with the counter trey which dates all the way back to Joe Gibbs and the Redskins of the 1980s. Just a few years back Gus Malzahn's Auburn team crushed Missouri in the SEC Championship running buck sweep for a million yards (only out of shotgun). What's old is new and what's new is old. People forget that teams ran shotugn (1930s single wing) before QBs took snaps under center (Chicago Bears under Halas).
Great message coach. Also the wing-t forces defenses to be disciplined because they don't know who has the ball.
except that you do unless you can't read keys
chicago bears? weird example lol. good video!
The wing t does have spread formations, if you look at what gus malzahn did at auburn in 2011 most of that is wing t variations. Look up coach Dave bishop and coach Bob Christmas and you will see the possibilities.