Lenovo Thinkpad T430s - best budget used ThinkPad?
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- Review of Lenovo Thinkpad T430s (& T430) - best value old ThinkPad?. Laptop/notebook review and upgrading.
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So Arnold Schwarzenegger is doing Laptop reviews now?? Nice!!!
RellyOhBoy ha ha ha ha
@@fnk101 Get to the choppa!!
@@RellyOhBoy - it's not a choppa, it's a toomah
It's not a toomah!!
lol
Just got one of these gentle beasts. i7-3520m, IGP with Thunderbolt, retroiluminated keyboard, 16GB of RAM and 500GB SSD, 1600x900 screen. Best laptop ever
@NYCfactor "Sigh of Relief" Good to hear cuz I just bought one! I wasn't sure if it would be good for today's standards.
@@BIGPUN4EVER yep its good
I bought this laptop in the summer of 2012 and it's been a reliable extension of my brain ever since. I won't lie. In the first year, I developed a bit of a nervous tick from having to deal with random shutdowns related to t430s built before 9/7/12 (BSOD Stop Code 101 Issue). Lenovo took some time to fix it. But the contact person was good about updating me, and once fixed, it has been the best laptop experience I've ever had---got my first laptop in 1999. That keyboard is a work of art (non-back-lit version with more key travel than the alternatives). You can't beat the trackpoint, as your fingers never have to leave home row, which means you're one step closer to a frictionless computing environment. After the t430s experience, I see all fundamentalist touchpad users as luddites that have decided to remain ignorant of superior technology.
P.S. Just remember to clean out dust from the fan vents with some compressed air if it starts running hot and you'll be able to pass that thing on to your grandchildren.
TLDR; T430s => Mind Blown: This machine is unf*ckwithable
Preach it brother. I turned my T430 into a desktop machine and bought a used T430s with an SSD and 8GB... it's all I need and I plan to use it until it breaks. When it does I'll buy whatever the latest T series is that still has the trackpoint... you can take my trackpoint when you pry it from my cold dead finger.
Watching this on the slightly older T420 and I am quite happy with it.
My blog article: panoramacircle.com/2018/08/06/lenovo-thinkpad-t430s-best-value-old-thinkpad/
Replace loose hinges: th-cam.com/video/Hmt7RlmpZJI/w-d-xo.html
Why the T430 is still powerful: th-cam.com/video/7vZhW33ivWU/w-d-xo.html
Just Purchased a Used T430 for my nephew. Upgraded the HDD for An SSD, And Damn that laptop can run. Changed the Thermal paste which was pain in the ass and cleaned the fans in the process. Just an awesome MACHINE
T430 is a great powerful machine, might even put a quadcore in it if you desire more power.
Panorama as a circle, for school projects, i5 is good enough....
It's a meh when doing more power hungery work. My company laptop has SNB i5 and is a pain to use since we need to compile linux kernels in VM while doing some searching stuffs....
Where did you buy it from?
I was thinking of getting this laptop, thanks for your review!
Watching this on my T430s, is nice! Didn't know I could remove the SD card reader. I replaced the DVD player with an extra battery and am loving the battery life now.
How did you find another battery for the DVD slot? My battery is dying fast (+70), I want to purchase a 9-cell from Lenovo.
Please tell me where you got a battery for the slot.
I also have a T430 from 2013.
@@wesvill7565 ultrabay doesnt fit t430(no battery connector in dvd bay, sadly)
Best Review So Far, Loved it. Thank U
Just got mine Jan -2019 and went right to work on replaceing as much as i could and worked well,new Ram & Processor /SSD 2TB /With a Dyno-Dock for other Screens this is just exactly what i needed. Toshiba went along with a black screened HP then got this 430s online for a mere £160 and spent a fair bit of money but it's a keeper for what i use for Music Ect... Great Video 10/10
I love listening to this video..You are really captivating in your demeanor and the quality of video cannot be beat and it helps me understand my T430s in which I have a second one on the way in which Ill be running LinuxMint 18.3.
Thanks man, appreciate the feedback!
I own many of these and many docking stations (also cheap) so it behaves as a movable workstation with extra monitor. This was a great review and very well done presentation, I learnt new things about my T430. Thanks.
Nice video, very informative and your accent makes it better. I was thinking about buying a used one.
Sehr gut gemachte Videos, weiter so.
thanks for this, looking at refurbished thinkpads is a bit overwhelming
Year late to your comment but unless you fancy learning new skills and work arounds you can't go wrong with a T420 - models after need bios hacks to allow non genuine parts eg. battery, wifi card etc. The IBM 7 row keyboard is prob the best invented and the speakers face upwards, not underneath.
S models are slimmer but were not designed for Corporate IT dept accessibility or upgrading, everything in the non S models are.
Very Good Thank You Sir I learned a lot !
Nice video!
This is easily the best computer I have ever owned. Although I just got a gen6 carbon and could never look back at 430's screen I already miss the latch and the overall sturdiness.
Nonetheless shout out to the T430 for saving my broke ass for a while, it will always have a spot in my heart.
Hey I hope you could respond in time before I decide on purchasing this 2nd hand but @ 10:15 u mention dedicated graphics of Intel 4000 but I did research and how would I know if T430 has Intel 4000 and/or NVIDA NVS 5200m? Do they have both graphics card or one or another
Thanks
@@jakeovechkin7081 its one or the other, although the NVIDIA version costs a tad more
Nice presentation & review - subscribed!
Recent Lenovo convert after friend lent me his X201. Now have i7 T420s (with Nvidia option) picked up for less than £100 - great machine with many years life ahead.
Though uglier and heavier, the non S models appear easier to work on & upgrade, also Lenovo stopped non genuine parts like batteries from the 430 on being used.
Just picked up a T60 today for £10 - putting Zorin Lite Education on and it's going to my Godson.
Wow - Propaplie ze best Riview of ze Lenovo T430 Computa!!! :-) By the way, due to this review I am about to buy two (yes, two!) of these machines for myself and for my 8-year old to kickstart his Minecraft YouTubing career... Zanks !!! :-)
good introduction, thanks
I bought this Laptop and installed Ubuntu on it. It runs like a Champ! My home PC is a dedicated Gaming PC, but I often keep my laptop right next to it... and use Synergy so I can use my mouse and keyboard on both laptops. (Symless.com) I mainly use the laptop so I can skype on it, or do other tasks,... and then game on my desktop. I also bring it to work, and use it during my break.
Gaming isn't very functional,... but I haven't tried it in windows yet.
You can play games from the XB360/PS3 era at 720p/mid settings even with the igpu.
A very nice laptop. I'm going to buy a second-hand T430s and will install Linux on it.
I have the larger T530 and I am very happy with it.
I rebuilt an i7/nVidia powered, T430s, a few years ago, that was shipped from FL, to TX. I shipped it to my daughter from Texas to Germany. It was shipped BACK to me in Texas a few years later, right before my daughter was stationed back in the U.S. She forgot it after leave, so I had to ship it to her, in Louisiana. It survived all that shipping, and still runs great! She still uses it in her studies in OCS. Runs better now, than it did new.
What are your thoughts on the T420/s? I've been thinking about getting a T430s as my first Thinkpad (thanks in large part to your video) but the comfy old school keyboard on the T420/s is hard to ignore. I don't have a great reference point to compare the power difference between the two. It doesn't seem like a huge difference but I could be totally wrong.
Edit: is the CPU accessable in the T430s to replace the paste?
The T420s has the older Sandy bridge and should hold up quite well depending on your use scenario but Ivy bridge did have good energy savings in comparison. The older HD3000 igpu is slower if you want to play anything. Only the T420s, not T420, has USB3 so consider that as well. You could mod the T420/s to have the old keyboard but that is quite some work to do. The T430s has the fan on the underside of the board so replacing the paste is quite some work here unfortunately.
@@panoramacircle3281 thank you for your answer. I found a great deal on a t430s with some upgrades already done to it so I went with that. Thank you again for your video.
Apprently there are 3 keyboard manufacturers for the T430s according to this reddit thread bit.ly/2IWdaL0. A lot of people seem to think the non-back-lit keyboard has the best key travel. I have no point of reference for the alternatives, but I have been using the non-back-lit keyboard for 7 years and I think it feels amazing.
I've been using Ideapad Y-700 for 6 years now and it's the best PC I've ever had.
Hi, I watch your videos frecuently, congratulations, you are good explaining and filming, and that is a lot of work as I can see. I intend to install an Intel Core I7-3632qm Processor in my T430, do you think that it will work?, may be you can give me a little advice, thankyou.
Hello, that should be no problem, remove keyboard and bezel and fan and replace it. Use some good paste like Arctic MX-4 and you should be fine. The I7-3632qm has 35W TDP, so single thread performance will not be faster than your standard i5 dual core, but you have four cores now. The i7 3840qm has 45W TDP, so even more performance, but might throttle under full load over time.
So, if I´m understanding your comment correctly: That means that I won´t get more speed, but I´ll be able to do more simultaneous tasks, am I right? Thanks.
You won't get more speed for single thread programs like internet browser or stand office apps. However there are multithreaded apps like modern games, VM, video streaming and editing that run multithreaded and benefit greatly from a quad-core.
Great video, I just bought a T430 with an i7 quad core and 8gb ram for €230, I'm really looking forward to it arriving :D
Where did you buy it from?
Tell me please. How is your fan in T430 and hinges. The first one is buzzing like an airplane, the second ones are shattered... It seems to me that there are really weak points of this wonderful device)
AWESOME
She's a beautiful machine. I got myself one.
It is available to video editing?
Even though im planning to get a fully maxed out Thinkpad E590, im attracted in the Thinkpad T430 for a random reason.
T430 is thiccpad, T430s is a bit slimmer, more like the E590
Excellent video. Had one for 3 years+. Now I know what I got! Power button just caved. Any suggestions?
well i'm way late to reply here, but you would have to replace the keyboard for that. first time hearing that as an issue
@@readme_nfo Just did. Cheap fix
How do I turn on keyboard lighting, does my laptop only turn on the thinklight?
Keyboards can be non-backlight option. If the key surface is coarse it does not have a backlight.
t420 still nice too
how to type symble?
T430 was a great Pickup for my needs. Got it for $230 CDN . Wanted it only for MS Office (which it's came with unknowingly) and downloaded CS:GO and discovered it's a machine with great value.
Just have to buy a new OEM battery because I don't want to play around and modify the BIOS.
5 years later I'll buy another ThinkPad maybe a W , X or another T. These are great refurbished machines.
-Cheers
In msata storage what can you recommend to me?
I have a T400 ThinkPad and it is working just fine, but I would like to have another one as a backup, but until I find one which is nice I am looking for a backup battery for the computer I already have. I ordered one from one supplier and they sent me the wrong one. I am going to look at another site which sells batteries and keep it to replace the original one.
I just got one with the i7 3520m processor, thing is awesome
Really nice for the price, currently doing videos on my T430 with the modded quad-core cpu.
Nice
I need right hinges of T430s how i can order it
I got mine from ebay, I don't know if there is a b better source.
wait... you is that T430s? why u have Nvidia GPU? i only have intel HD4000 :<
should i download the driver? please reply
T430(s) was produced in two options with Intel alone or Intel+Nvidia as Optimus combined.
Ah ok, soo i think mine is intel alone, we have same specs btw the only different is my ram are 8gigs
It is noisy on load?
Is this laptop support Ubuntu 18.04? I mean the hardware of this laptop will support Ubuntu?
I have to do software Development on Ubuntu.
There should be no problem with Ubuntu or Linux in general. If you have the NVIDIA there might be issues with Optimus switchable display driver.
@@panoramacircle3281 thanks bro
Just tell me can it run pubg on good fps like 30-40?
Only way would be with an external gpu (thunderbolt or expresscard) & maybe you need a T430 with a quadcore as well.
i want to upgrade processor of my t430s (i7 3520M -16gb) which maximum speed processor i can install in my t430s.
T430s CPU is soldered and cannot be changed, only on the T430.
Thorough.
how much time cost?
Here's one question for this Laptop: Can it do some form of gaming?
Sure, PS360 gen no problem: th-cam.com/video/KWmE0DUTJQ8/w-d-xo.html
How is the screen on these? Is it HD?
No, only two options available 768p and 900p TN. There are mod-converters available to implant an IPS 1080p display though.
Thanks a lot for your anwser, would it be possible for it to run 2 external screens if i upgrade the ram to the max?
Should be possible, I believe either DP+VGA or two displays (multistream) over the DP with an adapter. You don't need much RAM for dual 1080p 60Hz anyway.
hi, i have to buy 1 laptop and im not sure , thinkpad 430s or 480s.... which one s better? thanx
T480s is five generations newer and much better but also much more expensive. T430s is 100-200$, T480s is +1200$
Can i install an HDMI outlet on it?
No but you can use an adapter for HDMI
using a t420
Is it suitable for engineering 3D softwares ?
Well yes for older software but that can be very specific. Look up the requirements of your software.
After getting an old Thinkpad T400, I cant move back to a chiclet keyboard.
T420(s) it is then. Or you mod your T430(s) to have the older keyboard.
I"ll be back!
So what is the difference between the t430/430i/3/430s?
T430s is physically thinner and lighter and has a soldered cpu. T430i was a T430 with lower specs.
@@panoramacircle3281 so you saying you can't upgrade the cpu on the t430s but you can on a t430i?
@@darkknightforU Yes the T430/i has a replaceable cpu.
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Hello! like and suscribe you!
What differences between 430s and 430? thanks!
Cual es la diferencia entre T430s y T430? Gracias!
Thank you, T430s is slimmer and lighter model, but has less battery life and the CPU is soldered and can't be exchanged.
Thnak you! i d'ont know, is very interesting.
T430 maybe is better opción for me!
Do you think that is a good opcion in 2018? actually i have a Acer Aspire Timeline U whit hybrid SSD20gb+300HDD and i3 2367M and 4gb RAM, since 2012, win 7 home and a i happy whit it overall.
And i have too a Lenovo Ideapad 100s-14ibr whit 128ssd and 4gb RAM, Celeron N3050, win 10 home, but the LCD pannel, the touchpad and the speakers i dont like...
Do yo think that i need a Lenovo T430 Thinkpad and sell my Ideapd?
Thanks!
Yes, the T430 is still quite powerful, in particular with a quadcore cpu and very low cost today. An alternative would be a T450 which is lighter, is a bit more expensive (only dual core cpus) and has IPS displays as an option. The ideapads are quite weak and low cost, but they are very light. Maybe a X230 or X250 is also an alternative?
The T430s can be upgraded to an SSD, and 16gb/PC3-12800 ram. do that, and it's as usable as any new computer, and better than most.
Thanks!
У меня T420s - точно такой же, без островной клавы - как мне её не хватает.
А вообще slim - это downgrade - лучше брать не слимовую версию, в которую нормального размера харды влезут, а не те, что по 7 мм.
my escape button does not work on t430s and also battery is really bad
Well time to fix that...
@@panoramacircle3281 but idk how
how to on keyboard backlight??
FN + space bar (if you have a bakclight keyboard)
If possible, I´ll install an Intel Core I7-3610qm Processor in a X230 and a T430s as well...
Both the T-s and the X-series have soldered cpus that cannot be removed unfortunately. Only up to T430 and T440p have exchangeable cpus.
Thanks "Panorama as a circle" for the info...
Well, now my T430 runs with the I7, as planned, and it's working very well. My fears were about heating, but it only heats a little when i run one more application...and immediately goes down, but till now, everything is alright.
Sounds good, really a fast machine now, faster than most modern laptops right now!
Hi, something I wasn't aware till I tried to connect to my bluetooth speakers, that bluetooth disappears. And I couldn't find a way to work it out. Maybe you know something about it, your help will be very appreciated. And Yes, the machine now is very fast indeed.
I bought it today used for 300€ and it still kick as***es. 16gb dd3 240gb ssd...
I use my T430 with an SSD and linux mint. It's such a good daily for the money.
Николас That's just lovely because that's what I am. Glad you agree, you use it as well?
How's watching Netflix/Amazon Prime Video on this Laptop?
Not a problem, but the screens are not very nice.
@@panoramacircle3281 do you know if the resolution will be downscaled to 720p?
Probably, the T430/s has either a 768p or 900p low contrast TN panel. If you enjoy contrast get a newer model like aT450 with an 1080p IPS panel.
@@panoramacircle3281 ok thank you very much!
My laptop
Nicht so schlecht für ein Deutscher, aber gut zu sprechen die Englishe Sprache. Sehr gut. Ich habe alles verstanden.... Viele Grüße aus dem Berlin.
Thunderbolt on this ??
No, only the i7 model without the nvidia gpu
You paid 150 - was that Euros?
150$ or 130€ is the starting point for a T430s now
I think it's a bit higher in my neck of the woods. I'm seeing $200 asked for something like a T420s and $230 for an X240. Sometimes lower but it those are usually sold quickly.
Yes, it depends on the condition and extras, 200$ is still good depending on what components are installed (RAM, SSD, screen...).
The non-S version is better simply because the cpu is socketed in that one so you can change it out
Yes but the T430 is a Thiccpad, more like a desktop replacement
I have a T410 Thinkpad
I have one too, still a nice machine for office work with its 16:10 display.
Soooo..... you’re my customer rep
I have both T430s and T420s, and I think T420s is better. why? T430s was hobbled multi-monitor support, and even with nvidia graphics and dock, you can have only two monitor (only one external monitor with thinkpad screen on). T430s also had security chip which prevented use of third party battery. In addition, keyboard on T430s is less durable and less convenient to use than T420s keyboard. Performance is about the same as far as I can tell, as I am not a gamer, but for productivity, T420s is much better than T430s.
Yes, there are some nice things ion the T430s like the Intel HD4000 or backlit keyboard but the T430s is also quite a nice machine.
Nice video.
Just please don't go into a bar in Warsaw with an Austrian friend...
Only here I realize you're German! Deutschland 🇩🇪
The T430s as I heard you saying, is welded to the mother, so may be quiet impossible, I mean, you´d need some skills...I´ll see.
I meant the processor is welded, and I´d need some skills, of course.
Yes, you have to ask Louis Rossmann for that job :D
Yeah, haha, I wasn´t aware about Louis Rossmann existence and his campaign against what he believes is bullying from some tech companies. However I think, in this case, you refered to him as a technician, I guess. Thanks.
Yes, there is one video of him and Linus trying to bake a loose gpu onto a board, stuff is hilarious: th-cam.com/video/Shn7LdIrViQ/w-d-xo.html
I've just watched it, these guys love what they do....thanks.
the t420 is widely known as being a batter laptop
rip stop Not really, the only thing the t420 has that the t430 doesn't is the classic keyboard, which can be installed in the t430
German?
Erkennt man irgendwie :D muss nichts schlechtes sein
Gibt auch eine de-Version des videos, wird aber kaum angeschaut: th-cam.com/video/pto2fIdlIuY/w-d-xo.html
I'll be back !!!!
well
Can it play 8gb ram game
8GB system RAM is enough for games in this older generation.
Is this good for studio recording
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I personally prefer T540P, it's has full size keyboard, to me , it's better for productivity 3D modeling, but it's china made, you should care about personal information leak to CCP backend database, there is NO company out of control by CCP in china.
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Incredibwoy? lol
horrible screen, chiclet keyboard. not worthy of the thinkpad name.
You can mod the screen and the old keyboard if you have time and money
the non-back-lit keyboard t430s option has more key travel than the other two alternatives and feels amazing.
T430 screen is awful
mediocre, not awful