I have to say, I completely lost it when Emerald revealed herself and jaw kicked Ironwood. That moment was so satisfying on many levels. Ironwood: "You've... done the right thing!" Penny?: "I have..." Emerald: "Feels weird." *Immediate backflip kick to the jaw*
As for the “fall” ive seen a theory referred to as the “wonderland” theory. Basically falling off the platform takes a person to a alternative dimension or reality, and that’s where volume 9 will take place (trying to escape this other reality) Also as for penny’s body, I don’t think it was the staff that made the body, all that was left of penny was her soul, and it was her soul that made this new body. When robot penny scanned new penny, all that came up was her aura. So her body is enterly made of aura
Plus you remember the intro where mantle was crawling with grim what if that was the alternative timeline where Salem wining in which happen if team rwby “Fall” off the platform.
@@emilianosolis5247 I believe this was different as Ironwood betrayed everyone, especially Winter, so it was personal. Also there were other factors at play while facing Cinder such as Freya activating her maiden powers.
The fight with Ironwood has became one of my favorites. With the exception of the opening, we never got to see the full sparring match between James and Oscar, but this more than enough to compensate. Seeing our cinnamon roll land several hits on him was delightful to see. And I think it’s pretty symbolic that Winter, the Special Operative Ironwood trusted the most, landed the finishing blow.
@@UltimaJC I'm perfectly fine with her ditching cinder, it's just my opinion that she should have spent more time either as a third party, or warming up to the heroes for more episodes, but I don't care tooooo much
Ironwood still holding his own for that long without his weapons though really shows how strong he actually is and that he was very likely either just holding back with Watts to take him in alive or he was being extremely cautious fighting Watts because he knew it was a battle of witt on all the platforms and planning more than strength and raw power.
Penny’s other body was created out of existing parts, but when the body was created it was reclassified as a creation, and that’s why it was destroyed, I think?
From what I learned, the robotic penny that self destructed is the new copy creation ruby asked for, whereas the organic penny is what is left from reusing the materials of our original penny, which is her soul/aura and maiden powers.
This episode goes to show that Winter will always be one step above Weiss on the evolutionary food chain. I mean, breaking out sword skills that look like they belong in Sword Art Online? Nice job, Winter.
It reminded me of Jin from Xenoblade Chronicles 2. He has similar sword skills where he moves so fast that he can make many slashes at his enemies in the blink of an eye.
@@mercifulwarrior24 I wasn't being serious about it actually being an SAO sword skill, because it's not. It was more about how it lit up and had visual effects to it. Regardless, it was still cool.
We all know that line about it being against the rules to “return someone back from the dead” was used to snuff out any possible continuation of the theory that they could use the relic of creation to bring back Pyrrha. I see the confrontation between Cinder and Emerald going like Cinder at first, being the narcissistic manipulator, try to play on Emerald’s emotions to draw her back in but when Emerald refuses Cinder will lash out and say something to the effect “you never mattered to me” or “you were only an asset to be used”.
I think that ambrosia is able to be summoned without saying the name which is unlike jynn maybe you need to have a need to create something and for jynn you need the knowledge of the name to summon her
I feel like the Staff is less restrictive with summoning because even if you summon him, Ambrosius can't do anything for you unless you already have exactly what you need. As for The Lamp, it's because the Knowledge that Jinn holds can be incredibly dangerous in the wrong hands. So only those trusted with the knowledge of her name can be trusted to ask her questions.
That part with Winter finishing Ironwood was the most anime moment I've seen from the show. The two fighters pass each other and attack, but only one is left standing. Although slightly modified than what we usually see, since only Winter attacked, it was still cool as hell. Also! I think it may have been some kind of Time Dilation Glyph stuff going on
i was thinking time dilation, or we have seen weiss use her glyphs to speed herself up in general and even glide/skate across the ground, so it could have been something like that as well
@@jkruszer True. But now that I've looked at the scene more, there doesn't seem to be any Glyphs around when she actually does the attack. Not under them, and not behind them
I also like how they had Oscar hitting Ironwood really fast with his cane. That's not something we've seen him do since Ozpin fought Cinder in volume 3. It looks like he's inheriting more of Oz's fighting abilities. Also COME ON Ruby would it have been too much to ask for handrails on the crowded walkway above a bottomless pit??
they did mention it being a dimension "like this one" or something along thos lines, so why not make it an open field like the one they were standing in...that was kinda my thought
maybe the reason why you need to know Jinns name is that you need Knowledge to activate the relic of knowledge, while Ambrosius only needs the desire to create something
@@terry_the_terrible thats the requirements for use, like jinns is that the knowledge she gives must has been knowned or be abled to be know by someone in the past. But the activation requirements could be a different thing
I thought that nora was gonna take the staff of creation but ruby did it instead so that either means that team RWBY might be the ones to pick up all the relics or nora might take the relic of choice and jaune takes the relic of destruction(i like this one cause jaune is death and destruction and nora is the queen of the castle and a queen needs a crown after all) lol
@@10tailedbijuu there was a tweet a while ago from one of the show-runners saying V9 would be a detour before Vacuo and that the content has been blabbed since before v1
My thoughts to add to yours: 1) Jaune could amp Emerald in the ship to extend her range and she only needed to hide from Ironwood. 2) Winter also used gravity dust to help Oscar so I don't think she's limited to 2 types. 3) The vaults have a similar graphic effect as when the GOL talked to Ozma. He said they were between realms. Ozma requests to go to the afterlife which could be one of these realms. In the intro the main 4 fall into darkness and are gripped by grim hands. Maybe the afterlife has a heaven and hell? If they fall they fall to hell? 4) I see the paradox of him not being able to destroy but then the created penny with existing parts being destroyed. My thinking is without his magic the penny he created wouldn't exist so when his magic is taken away that version of Penny must also be removed.
First, called it on winter!!! Seeing ironwood getting his ass kicked was SOOOOO satisfying. But my most favorite part was ambrosius, this spirit single handedly made my favorite character list. He made penny a real wholesome girl, literally created a yellow brick road, and he's 100% dork.
@@BionicleGio22210 I would say I'd rather see him dead so I won't have to see his character being butchered by the writers because of their inability to write a character good or implementing their own possible agenda that alpha males are bad, woman are more righteous and can do better but I would be lying cause I like ironwood alot. I have a strong feeling he will sacrifice himself which will be unfortunate.
@@awesome8831 if you like ironwood, more power to you. Me personally, i hate his "might is always right" way of thinking and his crap semblance doesn't help. This loss is a reality check he desperately needs
@@awesome8831 The only one seeming to be inserting any political lens into this is you dude. That being said if you think alpha male is a real thing you are hopeless. Humans don't work that way, at all.
I’m so happy for everyone and I’m really happy for Penny. I can’t wait to see Emerald and Cinder interact. Ironwood finally lost and Winter has joined Team RWBY. My stress has gone down a lot but it will be back.
In case anyone didn't know, Ambrosius is based on Merlin, who, in the Arthurian legends, was once a war leader of the Romano-British who won an important battle against the Anglo-Saxons in the 5th century, who was transformed into the wizard Merlin, also known as Merlin-Ambrosius, who was an adviser to Uther and Arthur Pendragon.
I'm gonna try explain how I think penny's body disappeared- Well, ruby's request was to separate penny's body into two parts: the robotic parts and virus in one, her soul, aura and maiden powers in the other. Since ruby asked to take out the robotic parts from her and not to take out her soul and aura, it means that this "shell" (I guess) would disappear once something else is created. If she asked to take out penny's soul itself, it would disappear and they'd be back to square one. And since ambrosius needed something to contain them in, he created the human body for her, which was not requested by ruby so wouldn't be gone when he created something else. Also, I'd say the whole of team rwby could potentially fall down, as seen in the intro. Interestingly enough, the lyrics also say "sometimes it worth it all to risk the fall, and fight for every life~" which could suggest they took one for the team haha The way I see it playing it out is that cinder and neo will have the major showdown against rwby and possibly penny inside the realm, cinder emerging victorious and probably ending up with the staff too, like in the intro. Then again, this is all just a hunch, never really thought about an episode this in-depth before 👌
I think Ambrosius cannot produce Penny’s body. Anything Ambrosius produces disappears when a new creation is made. If he made penny’s human body, it was going to disappear as well. It seems its more of penny’s aura and maiden powers manufacturing a body than ambrosius
@@mikkolaki24 that or the universe is attempting to rectify Ambrosius’ inability to kill and penny’s doomed soul. The result is a permanent body for Penny not associated with the staff’s magic.
THIS, i thought of this and kinda would love to see like a separate show of like, those two watching the events unfold and commentating on it or something
Some of my favourite moments this episode were: When Ironwood says to "Penny" that she's done the right thing only for "Penny" to say "Yes I did, and it feels weird." When all of a sudden you hear "Stop". And the entire Ace Ops are just stuck for most of the episode haha. Penny being turned into a real girl! That one shocked me. Also the portals remind me of the World Between Words from Star Wars. Also as far as the robot body being destroyed, I saw that as the physical body that Penny is now in, wasn't created by Ambrosius and is technically the original parts? And the robot body was what was created hence why the virus was inside it.
The Relic of Knowledge is it name sake, you must have the knowledge in order to summon Jinn. You would have to learn her name before hand in order to use the relic.
I think the new created body was smart move when you think about it, watts wouldn't be able to recreate or reuse Penny's body as a potential puppet for Salem, now that it doesn't exist
I'd like to think Penny's body disappearing is just an automatic thing since it was wished and another thing was wished after. The rule that he can only create and not destroy would hold true because he himself didn't destroy penny it was an automatic thing that happens and even if her parts were used to make an exact copy it still counts as him creating her. It's like buying something from Ikea and making him put it together. Yes they were real parts but in the end it was still a creation he made that would automatically be destroyed after he makes something else but he himself doesn't destroy it. Have d to explain how I feel but personally I think it makes sense.
I don't think his semblance is the cause of his bad decisions. I think his semblance is a tool for him to make even WORSE decisions. Who knows what'll happen when he wakes up
@@10tailedbijuu I know what it was, and I know it’s probably better off dead, but the animation was spooky and weird. Is this how Penny would’ve died if she had opened the vault? Losing complete control of herself in a seemingly painful way as she is forced to not just deactivate, but self-destruct? Yeesh. No thank you. Let’s just leave that in Alternate Universe Land. 😅
Someone is going to fall off just because he said something. Also did they actually specify where in vacuo they wanted the portals to end up at? Could that smirk mean that he is sending them to the middle of the desert, nowhere near civilization?
he needed the coordinates for each door. PREEETTY sure they marked where they should be on the diagram/map thing. being forewarned and all. so anyone not in the subway system or the caves, would be shit out of luck.
there was no one else outside the caves/subway since they evacuated days ago, the only exception are the soldiers, but they have the ships so they can escape with no problems
Ironwood is going to take Watts with him when he falls. I'm calling it. I hope that Theodore doesn't turn on Ozpin because of the truth on Salem and her immortality.
I thought it would be Qrow in his single-minded view to take down Ironwood and thinking everyone would be better off without him. That this would be how he could finally help
It could be with Jinn because she is knowledge you need knowledge of her name to access her knowledge while Ambrosius is creation which works differently than knowledge. And the parts could have been disappeared because Ambrosius influenced them so they were under his power so they vanish.
Hey, don’t fault our girls. If anything aim OSHA at ambrosia. He is the ass that didn’t include handrail. And he call himself master craftsmen. To forget such simple detail, for shame
@@mingchen7704 while I'm usually on their side, ambrosia only gives Exactly what was asked for, unfortunately that is on the girls for not asking for handrails
So, since Winter broke Ironwood's aura, won’t that mean his semblance is no longer active? Once Ironwood regains consciousness, he'll no longer necessarily be dead set on securing the staff above everything else. He'll be in a state where he can be reasoned with. Not sure if everyone else realized that.
I don't think that's how Mettle works. We've been given no reason to think that it's a passive semblance and we've been told that we have seen him use it, which tells me that it's an active semblance. From the information we have Mettle is a tool that Ironwood uses to shut off his emotions when they get in the way. I think the times we see him use Mettle are the points where the light is out of his eyes because those are the points where he does the worst things. Simply breaking his aura isn't going to be enough to make him see his mistakes because he genuinely does not believe he has made any mistakes at any point in the series. It's been a running theme from the start: he'll seize power because he thinks he can do a better job, make heavy-handed and over-the-top decisions born of paranoia, those decisions backfire and he never admits it. Ironwood is closed-minded by nature, it's his main flaw as a character.
@@reyniknamyrion3557 Well here's the thing. Ironwood pulled his 180 immediately _after_ Salem pulled her little appearing his office stunt and the whole "We'll stop you." & "Uh... Your mom!" scene. After that, he's just been... Dead for lack of a better word for pretty much the rest of the time after that. Edit: Took me a bit to realize what you were going for, sorry. Although to be fair, kinda hard not to believe you've made mistakes when literally everyone (except winter and the ace ops initially) were too busy screwing you over and sipping tea Mary Sue style and you're the only one actively making sense. Literally everything out of the main Sue's mouth is "Mantle this, Mantle that". Doesn't help matters when the plot warps to make them right too bc anyone that's not a main character gets screwed over in some way or another anyway.
@@wholesome_masochist4113 I was going to answer your first paragraph but then I read your second and realised that you're not going to listen to anything I say because you're just... screeching and calling it an argument. It doesn't matter what's put in front of you, it'll be like playing chess with a pigeon. So this reply is the last I'll be saying in this thread. Have a nice day.
Now it's confirmed that the relics each have a genie that does the wielder's bidding. Each have a set of rules to abide by. I've always wondered why Vacuo isn't the strongest kingdom, since they possess an OP relic like the sword of destruction, which would be like a nuke. After this episode, I think that is because the relic is limited by rules. Perhaps the sword of destruction is nerfed, so one cannot just simply wield it like a nuke. It should be the opposite of creation. The relic of creation cannot revive the dead. So maybe the relic of destruction can only destroy inanimate things with no souls, not allowed to kill people with souls. Perhaps to limit its destructive potential, perhaps wielding it has a steep cost to the user, like taking away a portion of their soul (like what Pietro did with creating Penny). This way, it nerfs the user, so that if he keeps using the relic, it will degrade himself over time. This might explain why Vacuo isn't using the sword to subjugate the other kingdoms.
I agree with your idea. The relic are great and powerful objects, but they have limits to their power. Jinn could answer any three questions every one hundred years, provided the question not be about the future. We already know that there can only be one of Ambrosius’ creations in existence. Anything new will cause the previous to disappear, and the new creation can’t destroy something in the process. There’s also the fact that the relics require you knowing their name to operate. Ozpin is the only one who knows their names, remember no one else was ever told/taught how to use them.
@@ShinigamiSparda Like the tale about the maidens, the tale about the king of vale is likely to be a mix of fact and fiction. There are elements of truth and elements of fantasy or exaggerations. It's implied that the king of vale in that tale is a previous incarnation of Ozpin. Perhaps due to his ability to reincarnate, he can afford to lose part of his soul when he use the sword in battle; this is a privileged no one else has safe Salem herself, so maybe that is why no one else has used the sword after that. Also probably require knowing the name of the genie to summon it, and only Ozpin knows.
I really liked what they did because I feared that the Staff (and the Sword) would be too OP. Ambrosius, like the Gods, can create things from nothing, however, he has certain restrictions which are not to revive people nor kill them, and when creating something he would need some references. As for the Sword, one thing I can think of is that the spirit cannot destroy the relics.
I like your idea about the inside of the vaults mirroring kingdoms opposite to them, I haven't thought of it that way. A way to symbolically connect all of the vaults to Remnant without technically being a part of it. My first impression was that the vaults, each associated with its own seasonal maiden, had the interior design of the next season over as to like connect them that way. I.e. the interior of the Spring Maiden's vault being a desert, an environment typically associated with the summer time, or the interior of the Winter Maiden's vault being a lush meadow with various colourful flowers, a scene typically associated with spring.
I don’t think she was masking against Winter. By this point she was already in on the plan. She just had to act. Alternatively, she may have been boosted by Jaune. We just don’t know.
15:49 Better one The staff of creation was powering the comms as well, thus, when penny was reborn, contential comms had a little under a dozen seconds of leftover power.
1. Ironwood get his ass kick by everyone but i personally want Qrow to do it. 2. New soundtrack 3. Ambrosius is so cool 4. Penny became real girl 5. Portal to evacuate people of Atlas and Mantle to Vacuo
For Penny, they told ambrosia to get creative so I'm wondering if he - instead of using the parts to make the robocopy - rearranged the atoms into cells to make the real Penny a vessel for her soul. Because Technically the limits were: "Use the existing robot parts" "Make an exact robocopy of penny that includes Only the robot parts + virus" "Find a way to not destroy Penny's soul in the process" no where does he Have to use the existing parts to make the robocopy, just that those parts need to be used somehow and a robo copy needs to exist that has been separated from the soul. Since the atoms in this theory are rearranged and not created, once they're held together by Penny's soul they should be permanent, thus not creating or destroying anything per-say. This also explains the robocopy disappearing since it was made with the magic instead while the true physical stuff makes up real Penny. if that makes sense? idk if that's how it works but that's what I'm thinking
My money is, the request was a play on the old ship paradox, If you replace a piece of wood on a old ship each year, and keep the wood. By the time the whole ship has been repaired with new wood, if you rebuild the ship using the old wood. Which is the original, or both are the original ship. By taking all the parts of penny, a replacement is needed or penny is destroy, so, new parts were used to keep the original from disappearing. But when new request is asked. Only the penny using the old parts were erase since that was the original request, leaving the penny with new parts as the sole original now.
@@natchu96 oh I didn't catch that, that super interesting! So she's some other third thing?? Not really human per say but something more like jinn or ambrosia? Or even Weiss's summons? A being of pure aura?
The way I'm choosing to interpret it is that Penny's human body wasn't really a creation of Ambrosius. He said something like "How much would be my creation and how much would be her just rising to the surface?" By that logic it might follow that he didn't create her new body, it was just what was already there. Penny, the girl who was always underneath the metal. That might be why she would persist after the staff was used again, which would make that request all the more creative. Although I also like the reasoning being it would be against his rule to not destroy. Meanwhile the new Penny body would be akin to getting parts from an Ikea and putting them together. Maybe he didn't create the parts but he got them and put them together by a blueprint, making them his creation. Fundamentally it wouldn't be different (I don't think) if he had assembled it from raw materials or individual atoms.
- "How much would be my creation and how much would be her just rising to the surface?" By that logic it might follow that he didn't create her new body, it was just what was already there. ...Except, what was already there was robotic. All of it. She doesn't have a heart, or a brain, or blood, or organs (unless Pietro built her out of corpses like Dr. Frankenstein!), so where the hell did all of that come from? That whole solution really, really bothers me...
Ok I have a few ideas and points on this. Firstly I find Ambro saying he can't bring back the dead. Reminds me of how the god of light said reviving Ozma was not creation. I also want to point out regarding the falling. Obviously we see team rwby fall down in the opening. But we also got a fairy tale talking about a girl who fell through the world and came back a different person. As for this space. I think it is the place between realms Ozma was taken to. Which if it is and Ruby does fall. Maybe she can have a chance meeting with the dead. Like Pyrrha maybe. Just a thought there. I still think the vaults in terms of space in how it was built were made by each maiden who also made the door. I also find it interesting how each vault so far seems to be set in the following season. Spring is a desert like summer. Winter looks like Spring. As for Winter's slash... Maybe a more advanced form of time dilation since we know winter used lightning dust? Weiss did say she was just starting it.
Always Was even ruby said it but literally its true . Penny has always been technically human on the inside yet more badas Do to her robotic parts and since that was her body penny didn't really want to be Fully human atleast it wasn't Explicitly shown over and over again that she wanted to not be herself . Either way being now Human body just makes her an easy target for Cinder since well penny doesn't have any offense and now has to learn everything from scratch .
I think its worth noting what Winter says to Marrow when contacting Weiss "What I should have done a long time ago. Getting in touch with my sister." This can be taken both as her reaching out to Weiss since the battle for Atlas and Ironwoods decline as well as how she wasn't ever truly in touch with Weiss as a sister. Always keeping up a stoic professional military appearance in public and only briefly showing feelings when both were isolated to spend time with each other.
The Platform Warp Plane may be both a blessing and a curse: the good guys can use it to evacuate all the refugees away from this warzone to Vacuoo BUT all of Salem's forces can use it to their goals too.
7:04 That was some Adam Moonslice shit right there 14:07 really hope Penny's own semblance allows her to still use her Lasers cause that made Penny who she is to me 17:48 Anyone else got Avengers age of ultron from this scene 21:20 Anyone who Seen Star wars rebels s4 and Erza going through a Portal that brought him to the void of time that has doors that leads to the Past, Present, and Future will get the Similarities
Unfortunately, I think Penny has lost the ability to use Floating Array. It was intrinsically tied into her being a robot, hence why she could be hacked through it. She will likely require an entirely new weapon. I’m sure Ruby will be able to help.
@@10tailedbijuu well the maiden powers don’t really have a cost, but if she doesn’t want to be totally reliant on magic she will need the retrain herself. I’m sure her new body needs to eat/sleep/poo
I hadn't thought about the fact Penny's robot parts already existed and were destroyed after that, hmm. If I had to guess, once RWBY had the spirit create the new robot body, they fell under the umbrella of "his creation." So even though they already existed, they became of part of RWBY's creation, permanently altering them and making them able to fall apart once the magic moved onto something else. Meanwhile, Penny's human body could have been created by the spirit or by her soul itself. Either way, RWBY didn't ask for it to be created, and thus it wasn't affected by the next thing the staff was used for.
I'm really glad that Penny has finally became human and Ironwood got the ass-kicking that he deserved! (thought originally I thought his end would come when he meets with Qrow in their final fight) But what will happen next? Maybe there would be another theory vid about who will pass safely and who will fall when everyone evacuates the kingdom of atlas
Regarding stopping Ironwood, that played out largely as we all expected. Though, it IS a little lame that it took all of them dog piling on him to win. As for Winter's finishing move there, it was very reminiscent of an RPG cut scene attack. Anyone else see it that way? lol Mero's semblance is just dumb. With how powerful it is, just wow. Yeah I found that interesting too. They didn't need to call the spirit's name to summon him. Perhaps only Jinn needed her name called because you need the KNOWLEDGE on how to use her. While with the others, its less picky. Or perhaps its simply a desire sensor of sorts. But you're right, this makes it possible for Neo to use the relics as well then. The Pinocchio story has come full circle. Penny is human now. Can't wait for that comedy moment where she feels hunger and wonders what the heck is going on. I wonder what her fighting style and weapon will be now? She cannot use her floating blades anymore.... I also loved seeing Weiss twirl the staff before summoning him the second time. heh Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if a portal opens in front of Salem too. Dunno how long her revival will take this time around, but....
@@10tailedbijuu Its entirely possible they were even more specific than what was shown, but going by what we were shown alone, we have to assume the possibility that Salem counts as another person on Atlas and/or Mantle. Hard to say. And frankly, they wouldn't make it obvious as it sets up for a cliffhanger. And honestly, that would make for a good season finale cliffhanger....
To be fair there might be a bigger time gap. They only had to respond within the hour. Once Ruby called to say she was coming they may have got a little bit more time
At first I thought it would be cool if her robot body were to be left behind cause it could of been an interesting plot device in the future, but then I noticed it burned into ashes. Imagine 2 penny's. Also noticed the green aura inside penny's human body from the robots view lol
That depends on how the curse works, if the corrupt immortal part is the soul Then we’ll have a fully functioning Salem and a soulless immortal Salem hulk running around. Making the situation far far worst
@@mingchen7704 I think Lock use the staff meant create a new body that held the grimm part of her which would disappear once something else was created and leave regular immortal Salem. This at, least temporarily, until she can make it back to the grimm pools takes away her ability to control grimm.
@@alien_tater4391 but is the grim part of her? Since the staff stated what would be made to replace the used parts are that which is the manifestation of their soul. If Salem is corrupted to the soul (which I have reason to believe she is) then it would just make 2 of her. One with a soul, and another as a mindless husk that seek only of destruction.
That little comment at 12:41 Remember, an Architect's Dream is an Engineer's nightmare. Though seeing what Pietro is capable of, I guess things will be fine
No that's not why either of the two evaporated. Fria's body remained after she passed on her powers maidens don't turn into dusty when they die. Pyrah was disintegrated by Cinder and Penny's robot body was a construct of Ambrosius at that point and it disintegrated when they made the new construct. Specially since Penny's robot body wasn't even a maiden since those powers stayed with her aura.
I agree with the idea of the vaults being the opposite of the kingdom, but not the landscape of another. I think that the vaults are instead the literal polar opposite of the kingdom it’s located in. The vault for the relics of knowledge was a desert in a kingdom know for having jungles and swamps with a huge lake near the top. The vault for the relic of creation is a vast field with flowers in bloom. Atlas in a kingdom known for being extremely cold to point where life can in near inhospitable. Remember that one of the plans to bring chaos for Salem’s arrival was to turn of the heat in Mantle so people would die and bring negative emotions. This supports my idea for the vault of destruction being a giant lake in a desert (Lady of the lake being the spirit for the sword of destruction) and the vault of choice being a desolate place where nothing grows.
I have watched the end of the episode 12. I understood his warning. If you fall you’ll Fall forever in the abyss. Till you die in old Age. But i’m more impressed of Emerald. Her Semblance is really OP. She make illusion but she can make her self invisible. Also Winter was planning to surprise General Iron Wood. Also i realize. The Relic of Creation can be used many times. As if its infinite. His use is unlimited. So it is dangerous.
So far, a lot of fan speculation was accurate. Qrow and Robyn runs into Winter and Marrow. Winter turns against Ironwood. Emerald goes to Ironwood disguised as Penny. The part that somehow surprised me if how they created a real version of Penny, and the fact that they had such detailed plans and schematics ready so soon.
When the spirit in the Staff of Creation (I can't spell his name-) appeared, I thought he would say _"TEN THOUSAND YEARS WILL GIVE YOU SUCH A CRICK IN THE NECK!"_
I don't think she would do this, but what if Emerald created an illusion of a walkway to lure Cinder, Watts or Salem onto them and I wonder Team RWBY will use the relic to either make a city for the refugees or possibly rebuild the CCT towers.
Something to add on to your Vault weather / academy location thought. Something I noticed with the concept art during the V8E11 credits. One would think that the Vault linked with the Winter Maiden would have snowy weather inside the vault. Except, the vault opened by the Winter Maiden has spring weather inside. Again, its the Cycle of the Seasons. The Winter Maiden opens the door to the Spring Season. Then, the Spring Maiden opens the door to the Summer Season. That's a really cool idea by Ozpin & Rooster Teeth.
*GOOOOOOD YOU’VE MADE THE REVIEW* This episode was absolutely fantastic and Phoenix question for ya what do you think will happen with human penny’s powers and how will she adapt do you think?
It'll be a drastic change for Penny for sure but I think the loss of her flying ability will be the most difficult for her to adapt to. Especially with that warning "Do not Fall", if Penny momentarily forgets she can't fly anymore, then that could be bad
@Michael Kruk Yes that's what I was thinking too. That she will be the next one with the polarity semblance! Then she can wield multiple sword again and use the maiden powers instead of lasers! Maybe her semblance will awaken by the dead of her father! 😃
My theory of the vaults' environments is that it relates to the environment of where the iconic object is found in the fairytales. Like how the genie in the lamp was found in the desert, there might be a staff/wand/scepter that was found in the middle of a grassland paradise in a different fairytale, but I haven't figured out which fairytale yet.
He said “Do not fall”. In the opening we see team RWBY fall and even more so, we see Ruby trying to reach for light, a light similar to the portals, only to be held back by grimm arms... which could be representative of Cinder possibly forcing her to stay or Salem, summoning arms to hold her back, leaving her alone and separated from her team in the end of the volume just like how her weapon is the only one remaining in the final shot of the opening. Just a theory, but I think it’s worth some thought.
@@10tailedbijuu Same, but it would also present an interesting idea of how Ruby acts when she’s truly alone, something we haven’t seen since volume 2 and even then, she was with Zwei.
The dude in the staff said “DO NOT FALL” in the intro they fell into the ground looking exactly like the portal place he had created
FUCK.
Well shit
Well shit
Not RWBY, but Ironwood and maybe cinder
Sometimes it's worth it all to take the fall...
Let's be honest. We all could feel the warmth of Penny's hugs this episode
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*Ruby pointing to Penny* "And somebody, get this woman a burger."
Hey there, never thought id see you here, i'm one of your subcribsbers. Keep up the great work.
@@tomasestay7154 Thanks! Yeah, I'm a long-time sub here.
King T'challa would be smiling proudly.
Penny's first taste of food. I would want her to try a chocolate bar first. Get her hooked on candy.
honestly since Penny didn't really have the need to eat when she was still a robot, she would probably have horrid table manners at first.
I have to say, I completely lost it when Emerald revealed herself and jaw kicked Ironwood. That moment was so satisfying on many levels.
Ironwood: "You've... done the right thing!"
Penny?: "I have..."
Emerald: "Feels weird."
*Immediate backflip kick to the jaw*
I was instantly reminded of Guile’s Flash Kick when she pulled it off.
It 👏 was 👏 dope 👏
I was like "I FUCKING CALLED IT" because what else could they do xD
Ironwood's face, when Emerald uncloaked, was priceless and I loved that fight.
Much too short
@@BartEmbregts But at least each character got some good hits in.
@@morganpogue6965 that fight is what u call good? talk about low standards.
that fight was trash
@@morganpogue6965 Ironwood got his ass handed but uh from a general you would expect that they are a good fighter
As for the “fall” ive seen a theory referred to as the “wonderland” theory. Basically falling off the platform takes a person to a alternative dimension or reality, and that’s where volume 9 will take place (trying to escape this other reality)
Also as for penny’s body, I don’t think it was the staff that made the body, all that was left of penny was her soul, and it was her soul that made this new body. When robot penny scanned new penny, all that came up was her aura. So her body is enterly made of aura
Right, didn't Oz and Oscar mention that fairy tale about the girl who fell through to a new world?
I've been waiting for wonderland based characters since season 1
I am also wondering if this may be what we see in the opening of the four falling, and if this may be where Summer is.
Plus you remember the intro where mantle was crawling with grim what if that was the alternative timeline where Salem wining in which happen if team rwby “Fall” off the platform.
yup
Amborsius when he came out I probably not the only one thinking that he was going to say “10,000 years can give you such a crick in the neck”
I was half expecting a power rangers "After 10,000 years I'm free! Time to conquer... Earth!"
Yeah, this spirit really does give off that Robin Williams vibe... lol
@@TheFlipside *MIGHTY MORPHING THEME INTENSIFIES.
I was too busy thinking the Squidward meme; "OH god HE'S HOT!!!" XP
@@KingTaltia LMAO SAME
Yo Winter literally pulled a Fatality Finish Him and I thought Ironwood lost a arm 😂
Fatality or Raging Demon?
It gave me flashbacks to Yang losing her’s I said NOT AGAIN-
Same
Exactly where was this side of Winter when facing Cinder
@@emilianosolis5247 I believe this was different as Ironwood betrayed everyone, especially Winter, so it was personal. Also there were other factors at play while facing Cinder such as Freya activating her maiden powers.
Winter WAS AN ABSOLUTE QUEEN THIS EPISODE
I still can't believe I didn't notice the attack she used against Ironwood was the one was about to use on Qrow in Volume 3
Best Girls of V8C12; Winter & Em
SNOW QUEEN
I think winters final attack was time dilation. Like she does a bunch of attacks in a second. We just didn’t see her cast time dilation.
That would make sense since canonically time dilation used lightning dust, which she did show in that fight.
welp, good thing she used it, as weiss completely forgot about it lol
@@redhead_bebs ice would make a great secondary mix for that because thermal dynamics.
@@shadowsnake5133 oh, man, just like Jin from Xenoblade Chronicles 2!
The fight with Ironwood has became one of my favorites. With the exception of the opening, we never got to see the full sparring match between James and Oscar, but this more than enough to compensate. Seeing our cinnamon roll land several hits on him was delightful to see. And I think it’s pretty symbolic that Winter, the Special Operative Ironwood trusted the most, landed the finishing blow.
She went Virgil on his ass.
Can't really say Oscar was all that here. He was ganking with 4 others here
Ambrosius is honestly just so???
He’s perfect???
I love him???
Best boi
That line "DO NOT FALL", is probably where v8 intro is foreshadowing and most likely there are red flags I hope everyone survives this volume.
My first thought was what happened to Pyrrha on beacon tower
Of course they will, why is that *even* a question?
I loved emerald in this chapter especially when she said "I did, it feels weird"
Same! We need more Emerald in general and I can't wait to see how she interacts with everyone when they aren't in immediate danger lol
I really hope emerald doesn't betray them because of cinder.... I really like her now and I dont want her to become the bad guy again
@@muzzaXD Me too. She has to realize that Cinder has never given a damn about her.
I could watch the scene where Emerald kicks Ironwood all day.
Could? I have been
@@nugget8967 I have it in gif format saved to my phone lol
I'm still a bit mad that she joined the protagonists, but that was a pretty cool scene
@@rottenappple3716 Oh I've been waiting for her to ditch Cinder since V3 but I also respect your view on it as well.
@@UltimaJC I'm perfectly fine with her ditching cinder, it's just my opinion that she should have spent more time either as a third party, or warming up to the heroes for more episodes, but I don't care tooooo much
Saw Ambrosius and first thought was "Damn Robin Williams, you got jacked!"
He even has similar mannerisms to him. Oz was right in saying he’s a character.
Ironwood still holding his own for that long without his weapons though really shows how strong he actually is and that he was very likely either just holding back with Watts to take him in alive or he was being extremely cautious fighting Watts because he knew it was a battle of witt on all the platforms and planning more than strength and raw power.
Penny’s other body was created out of existing parts, but when the body was created it was reclassified as a creation, and that’s why it was destroyed, I think?
From what I learned, the robotic penny that self destructed is the new copy creation ruby asked for, whereas the organic penny is what is left from reusing the materials of our original penny, which is her soul/aura and maiden powers.
Penny had a soul and Ambrosius cannot destroy, so they pretty much used a loophole to make her a new body that's human pretty much
This episode goes to show that Winter will always be one step above Weiss on the evolutionary food chain. I mean, breaking out sword skills that look like they belong in Sword Art Online? Nice job, Winter.
It reminded me of Jin from Xenoblade Chronicles 2. He has similar sword skills where he moves so fast that he can make many slashes at his enemies in the blink of an eye.
@@mercifulwarrior24 I wasn't being serious about it actually being an SAO sword skill, because it's not. It was more about how it lit up and had visual effects to it. Regardless, it was still cool.
@@jdoggivjc yes, I figured as much. However, I was being serious in my comparison.
Nothing comes free. Everything has costs and consequences.
Indeed and there's still two more episodes in the Volume to show those consequences...
@@PhoenixNight but remember team rwby falling into the dark cause in the intro they did so something could happen to cause them to fall
@@noelandaigisandmu1240 Aaaaaaaaagh! Don't remind me!
@@PhoenixNight And that is the one thing most critics of the show (@EruptionFang) probably won’t understand.
@@PhoenixNight Indeed.
We all know that line about it being against the rules to “return someone back from the dead” was used to snuff out any possible continuation of the theory that they could use the relic of creation to bring back Pyrrha.
I see the confrontation between Cinder and Emerald going like Cinder at first, being the narcissistic manipulator, try to play on Emerald’s emotions to draw her back in but when Emerald refuses Cinder will lash out and say something to the effect “you never mattered to me” or “you were only an asset to be used”.
“Without me you are worthless”
Hope
James redeemed
a discussion between the two newlyweds xhe leaves emotional salem.
I think that ambrosia is able to be summoned without saying the name which is unlike jynn maybe you need to have a need to create something and for jynn you need the knowledge of the name to summon her
Yeah, that was my thought too
I feel like the Staff is less restrictive with summoning because even if you summon him, Ambrosius can't do anything for you unless you already have exactly what you need. As for The Lamp, it's because the Knowledge that Jinn holds can be incredibly dangerous in the wrong hands. So only those trusted with the knowledge of her name can be trusted to ask her questions.
@@10tailedbijuu nope. It's Jinn. Is specifically says so on her concept art.
I thought so too
Didn't Marrow improve his semblance a bit? He was able to stop all three and he could WALK. The previous times he used it, he couldn't really move
No it's something he could always do
Shame he didn't use his semblance when fighting team Rwby
@@aryasuperstark9599 he literally used it on Weiss
Weiss AND her summon
@@entyntl So why didn't he use it on all of team Rwby when he had the chance too?, It's called bad writing
You remember White trailer when Weiss uses her final blow to defeated armorgigas, maybe that Winter do to deal final blow to Ironwood.
That part with Winter finishing Ironwood was the most anime moment I've seen from the show. The two fighters pass each other and attack, but only one is left standing. Although slightly modified than what we usually see, since only Winter attacked, it was still cool as hell. Also! I think it may have been some kind of Time Dilation Glyph stuff going on
It reminded me of Otoshi's Marowak doing bone club in the anime 🤣🤣🤣🤣
i was thinking time dilation, or we have seen weiss use her glyphs to speed herself up in general and even glide/skate across the ground, so it could have been something like that as well
@@jkruszer True. But now that I've looked at the scene more, there doesn't seem to be any Glyphs around when she actually does the attack. Not under them, and not behind them
James: et tu Winter? *shocked stare with mute noises*
I also like how they had Oscar hitting Ironwood really fast with his cane. That's not something we've seen him do since Ozpin fought Cinder in volume 3. It looks like he's inheriting more of Oz's fighting abilities.
Also COME ON Ruby would it have been too much to ask for handrails on the crowded walkway above a bottomless pit??
We saw Ozpin do that move against Hazel in vol5
@@10tailedbijuu Yes it is, you get what you ask for nothing more. They didn't ask.
they did mention it being a dimension "like this one" or something along thos lines, so why not make it an open field like the one they were standing in...that was kinda my thought
So I guess the Djinn of creation is Penny's stepfather now lol
yep looks like it
I've never thought of that....
Lmao 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
maybe the reason why you need to know Jinns name is that you need Knowledge to activate the relic of knowledge, while Ambrosius only needs the desire to create something
Nah, Ambrosius requires a proof of creation. Remember that he needs plans, schematics or an example of an object to copy.
@@terry_the_terrible thats the requirements for use, like jinns is that the knowledge she gives must has been knowned or be abled to be know by someone in the past. But the activation requirements could be a different thing
I thought that nora was gonna take the staff of creation but ruby did it instead so that either means that team RWBY might be the ones to pick up all the relics or nora might take the relic of choice and jaune takes the relic of destruction(i like this one cause jaune is death and destruction and nora is the queen of the castle and a queen needs a crown after all) lol
i mean, nora did put the "relic" right on her head in vol 1.....
I wonder who's gonna fall?
Surely not the woman with "FALL" as a surname.
Naaaaaaah.
Really hope Neo is the one to push her off.
@@josephcola9662 Cant cinder just use her maiden powers to fly back up? Maybe raven will come out of nowhere and freeze her again xD
To be fair, she did fall once...
Who says that it can't happen again?
I’m fairly sure all the heroes are going to fall. And whatever happens will be the Vol 9 detour that has been mentioned.
@@10tailedbijuu there was a tweet a while ago from one of the show-runners saying V9 would be a detour before Vacuo and that the content has been blabbed since before v1
My thoughts to add to yours:
1) Jaune could amp Emerald in the ship to extend her range and she only needed to hide from Ironwood.
2) Winter also used gravity dust to help Oscar so I don't think she's limited to 2 types.
3) The vaults have a similar graphic effect as when the GOL talked to Ozma. He said they were between realms. Ozma requests to go to the afterlife which could be one of these realms. In the intro the main 4 fall into darkness and are gripped by grim hands. Maybe the afterlife has a heaven and hell? If they fall they fall to hell?
4) I see the paradox of him not being able to destroy but then the created penny with existing parts being destroyed. My thinking is without his magic the penny he created wouldn't exist so when his magic is taken away that version of Penny must also be removed.
About 4) I'd say that was a creation that was essentially programed to destroy itself which is by it doesn't really count as Ambrosius's destruction
First, called it on winter!!!
Seeing ironwood getting his ass kicked was SOOOOO satisfying. But my most favorite part was ambrosius, this spirit single handedly made my favorite character list. He made penny a real wholesome girl, literally created a yellow brick road, and he's 100% dork.
I wish Ironwood won :(
@@awesome8831 just be glad he's still breathing
@@BionicleGio22210 I would say I'd rather see him dead so I won't have to see his character being butchered by the writers because of their inability to write a character good or implementing their own possible agenda that alpha males are bad, woman are more righteous and can do better but I would be lying cause I like ironwood alot. I have a strong feeling he will sacrifice himself which will be unfortunate.
@@awesome8831 if you like ironwood, more power to you. Me personally, i hate his "might is always right" way of thinking and his crap semblance doesn't help. This loss is a reality check he desperately needs
@@awesome8831 The only one seeming to be inserting any political lens into this is you dude.
That being said if you think alpha male is a real thing you are hopeless. Humans don't work that way, at all.
Why are all the Relic Spirits so enjoyable and attractive
To be fair Ironwood did say they had an hour to respond, not for Penny to arrive. So they probably got more time after Ruby called Ironwood
I’m so happy for everyone and I’m really happy for Penny. I can’t wait to see Emerald and Cinder interact. Ironwood finally lost and Winter has joined Team RWBY. My stress has gone down a lot but it will be back.
Penny has legs now🤩 I loved her hugging everyone ❤
Just like Ariel in The little mermaid
And Ruby won’t have to suffer concussions every time she hugs her
@@dragonstouch1042 😆
She'll need some shoe's asap when she get's to Vacuo other wise her next first human experience is going to be burning feet
I love how Blake hugged her back without flinching 💖 Penny was also hanging on her too and it was so cute
In case anyone didn't know, Ambrosius is based on Merlin, who, in the Arthurian legends, was once a war leader of the Romano-British who won an important battle against the Anglo-Saxons in the 5th century, who was transformed into the wizard Merlin, also known as Merlin-Ambrosius, who was an adviser to Uther and Arthur Pendragon.
Ok that makes sense
thank you
I'm gonna try explain how I think penny's body disappeared-
Well, ruby's request was to separate penny's body into two parts: the robotic parts and virus in one, her soul, aura and maiden powers in the other. Since ruby asked to take out the robotic parts from her and not to take out her soul and aura, it means that this "shell" (I guess) would disappear once something else is created. If she asked to take out penny's soul itself, it would disappear and they'd be back to square one.
And since ambrosius needed something to contain them in, he created the human body for her, which was not requested by ruby so wouldn't be gone when he created something else.
Also, I'd say the whole of team rwby could potentially fall down, as seen in the intro. Interestingly enough, the lyrics also say "sometimes it worth it all to risk the fall, and fight for every life~" which could suggest they took one for the team haha
The way I see it playing it out is that cinder and neo will have the major showdown against rwby and possibly penny inside the realm, cinder emerging victorious and probably ending up with the staff too, like in the intro.
Then again, this is all just a hunch, never really thought about an episode this in-depth before 👌
I agree that all the heroes will fall and the resulting consequences will the Vol 9 detour that we have been promised.
I think Ambrosius cannot produce Penny’s body. Anything Ambrosius produces disappears when a new creation is made. If he made penny’s human body, it was going to disappear as well. It seems its more of penny’s aura and maiden powers manufacturing a body than ambrosius
@@mikkolaki24 that or the universe is attempting to rectify Ambrosius’ inability to kill and penny’s doomed soul. The result is a permanent body for Penny not associated with the staff’s magic.
I would love to see Jinn and Ambrosias interacting. I love their personalities and think it would be hilarious.
THIS, i thought of this and kinda would love to see like a separate show of like, those two watching the events unfold and commentating on it or something
Some of my favourite moments this episode were:
When Ironwood says to "Penny" that she's done the right thing only for "Penny" to say "Yes I did, and it feels weird."
When all of a sudden you hear "Stop". And the entire Ace Ops are just stuck for most of the episode haha.
Penny being turned into a real girl! That one shocked me. Also the portals remind me of the World Between Words from Star Wars.
Also as far as the robot body being destroyed, I saw that as the physical body that Penny is now in, wasn't created by Ambrosius and is technically the original parts? And the robot body was what was created hence why the virus was inside it.
@@10tailedbijuu Not what I'd wonder about but you bet it will do those things.
The Relic of Knowledge is it name sake, you must have the knowledge in order to summon Jinn. You would have to learn her name before hand in order to use the relic.
I think the new created body was smart move when you think about it, watts wouldn't be able to recreate or reuse Penny's body as a potential puppet for Salem, now that it doesn't exist
I mean I guess but... the maiden powers aren't attached anymore, so it just seems like a power already outclassed by the bad guys collective powers
I'd like to think Penny's body disappearing is just an automatic thing since it was wished and another thing was wished after. The rule that he can only create and not destroy would hold true because he himself didn't destroy penny it was an automatic thing that happens and even if her parts were used to make an exact copy it still counts as him creating her. It's like buying something from Ikea and making him put it together. Yes they were real parts but in the end it was still a creation he made that would automatically be destroyed after he makes something else but he himself doesn't destroy it. Have d to explain how I feel but personally I think it makes sense.
I bet now that his aura has broke maybe his semblance has lost its power. Maybe he'll wake up with a clear head.
Or its like crow's and its non dependant on aura
@@randomdudewithsomecommonse5281
Both are possible.
I don't think his semblance is the cause of his bad decisions. I think his semblance is a tool for him to make even WORSE decisions. Who knows what'll happen when he wakes up
Was I the only one who got a little sad seeing robot penny malfunction
Yeah, that is upsetting
I thought it was creepy.
@@10tailedbijuu I know what it was, and I know it’s probably better off dead, but the animation was spooky and weird. Is this how Penny would’ve died if she had opened the vault? Losing complete control of herself in a seemingly painful way as she is forced to not just deactivate, but self-destruct? Yeesh. No thank you. Let’s just leave that in Alternate Universe Land. 😅
@@smileyface81mc77 i think penny's death would be worse as she'd fight the virus until the last second and probably scream or cry
Hell for a second I thought it was going to go after Penny.
Phoenix, I see you barely able to stop smiling as you mention the Spirit of Choice. We been knew.
Someone is going to fall off just because he said something. Also did they actually specify where in vacuo they wanted the portals to end up at? Could that smirk mean that he is sending them to the middle of the desert, nowhere near civilization?
And Penny doesn’t have her jet feet anymore
@@Syotunes don't think it matters much since she's still a maiden, probably could still fly
They gave him coordinations
@@Syotunes She is still a maiden
@@10tailedbijuu Bro wtf is wrong with you
When Ambrosius gave his warning, I did I have a sudden "Fly you fools!" vibe in that moment?
he needed the coordinates for each door. PREEETTY sure they marked where they should be on the diagram/map thing. being forewarned and all. so anyone not in the subway system or the caves, would be shit out of luck.
there was no one else outside the caves/subway since they evacuated days ago, the only exception are the soldiers, but they have the ships so they can escape with no problems
Ironwood is going to take Watts with him when he falls.
I'm calling it.
I hope that Theodore doesn't turn on Ozpin because of the truth on Salem and her immortality.
No theodore is gonna go down swinging (on the good guys side)
I thought it would be Qrow in his single-minded view to take down Ironwood and thinking everyone would be better off without him. That this would be how he could finally help
Ep 13
Will the couple have an argument that will leave Salem in conflict?
Let’s be honest, so far we’re 2/2 on traitor head master. I have no faith in Theodore
@@mingchen7704 Yeah but a guy can hope
It could be with Jinn because she is knowledge you need knowledge of her name to access her knowledge while Ambrosius is creation which works differently than knowledge. And the parts could have been disappeared because Ambrosius influenced them so they were under his power so they vanish.
team RWBY really gonna get screwed over by neglecting OSHA violations, smh why are there no handrails ladies???
Hey, don’t fault our girls. If anything aim OSHA at ambrosia. He is the ass that didn’t include handrail. And he call himself master craftsmen. To forget such simple detail, for shame
@@mingchen7704 while I'm usually on their side, ambrosia only gives Exactly what was asked for, unfortunately that is on the girls for not asking for handrails
@@mingchen7704 The rules are you get exactly what you ask for.
Don't think Emerald used her semblance on Winter. Why would she need to? Winter was in on it
Yeah, maybe she can still only affect one person at a time without having a serious headache.
@@AshHeaven Not anymore. IIRC she used it on Jaune Ren and Yang in Monstra simultaneously with no strain
Nobody else are worry about Pietro and Maria i mean the last time we se them they were in the stratosphere aboard on the amity coloseum.
So, since Winter broke Ironwood's aura, won’t that mean his semblance is no longer active? Once Ironwood regains consciousness, he'll no longer necessarily be dead set on securing the staff above everything else. He'll be in a state where he can be reasoned with.
Not sure if everyone else realized that.
Not likely any major cast will want to though.
@@wholesome_masochist4113 yes because they are idiots
I don't think that's how Mettle works. We've been given no reason to think that it's a passive semblance and we've been told that we have seen him use it, which tells me that it's an active semblance. From the information we have Mettle is a tool that Ironwood uses to shut off his emotions when they get in the way. I think the times we see him use Mettle are the points where the light is out of his eyes because those are the points where he does the worst things.
Simply breaking his aura isn't going to be enough to make him see his mistakes because he genuinely does not believe he has made any mistakes at any point in the series. It's been a running theme from the start: he'll seize power because he thinks he can do a better job, make heavy-handed and over-the-top decisions born of paranoia, those decisions backfire and he never admits it. Ironwood is closed-minded by nature, it's his main flaw as a character.
@@reyniknamyrion3557 Well here's the thing. Ironwood pulled his 180 immediately _after_ Salem pulled her little appearing his office stunt and the whole "We'll stop you." & "Uh... Your mom!" scene. After that, he's just been... Dead for lack of a better word for pretty much the rest of the time after that.
Edit: Took me a bit to realize what you were going for, sorry. Although to be fair, kinda hard not to believe you've made mistakes when literally everyone (except winter and the ace ops initially) were too busy screwing you over and sipping tea Mary Sue style and you're the only one actively making sense. Literally everything out of the main Sue's mouth is "Mantle this, Mantle that". Doesn't help matters when the plot warps to make them right too bc anyone that's not a main character gets screwed over in some way or another anyway.
@@wholesome_masochist4113 I was going to answer your first paragraph but then I read your second and realised that you're not going to listen to anything I say because you're just... screeching and calling it an argument. It doesn't matter what's put in front of you, it'll be like playing chess with a pigeon. So this reply is the last I'll be saying in this thread. Have a nice day.
Now it's confirmed that the relics each have a genie that does the wielder's bidding. Each have a set of rules to abide by. I've always wondered why Vacuo isn't the strongest kingdom, since they possess an OP relic like the sword of destruction, which would be like a nuke. After this episode, I think that is because the relic is limited by rules. Perhaps the sword of destruction is nerfed, so one cannot just simply wield it like a nuke. It should be the opposite of creation. The relic of creation cannot revive the dead. So maybe the relic of destruction can only destroy inanimate things with no souls, not allowed to kill people with souls. Perhaps to limit its destructive potential, perhaps wielding it has a steep cost to the user, like taking away a portion of their soul (like what Pietro did with creating Penny). This way, it nerfs the user, so that if he keeps using the relic, it will degrade himself over time. This might explain why Vacuo isn't using the sword to subjugate the other kingdoms.
Does make you wonder about the tale of the King of Vale then.
I agree with your idea. The relic are great and powerful objects, but they have limits to their power. Jinn could answer any three questions every one hundred years, provided the question not be about the future. We already know that there can only be one of Ambrosius’ creations in existence. Anything new will cause the previous to disappear, and the new creation can’t destroy something in the process.
There’s also the fact that the relics require you knowing their name to operate. Ozpin is the only one who knows their names, remember no one else was ever told/taught how to use them.
@@ShinigamiSparda Like the tale about the maidens, the tale about the king of vale is likely to be a mix of fact and fiction. There are elements of truth and elements of fantasy or exaggerations. It's implied that the king of vale in that tale is a previous incarnation of Ozpin. Perhaps due to his ability to reincarnate, he can afford to lose part of his soul when he use the sword in battle; this is a privileged no one else has safe Salem herself, so maybe that is why no one else has used the sword after that. Also probably require knowing the name of the genie to summon it, and only Ozpin knows.
I really liked what they did because I feared that the Staff (and the Sword) would be too OP. Ambrosius, like the Gods, can create things from nothing, however, he has certain restrictions which are not to revive people nor kill them, and when creating something he would need some references. As for the Sword, one thing I can think of is that the spirit cannot destroy the relics.
a 'blue fairy' turned a 'puppet' into a real person.
Exactly 🧞♂️
My thought is that he will split summer rose and hound
I like your idea about the inside of the vaults mirroring kingdoms opposite to them, I haven't thought of it that way. A way to symbolically connect all of the vaults to Remnant without technically being a part of it. My first impression was that the vaults, each associated with its own seasonal maiden, had the interior design of the next season over as to like connect them that way. I.e. the interior of the Spring Maiden's vault being a desert, an environment typically associated with the summer time, or the interior of the Winter Maiden's vault being a lush meadow with various colourful flowers, a scene typically associated with spring.
I don’t think she was masking against Winter. By this point she was already in on the plan. She just had to act.
Alternatively, she may have been boosted by Jaune. We just don’t know.
Huh I was womdering how Emerald could've hallucinated Ironwood and Ace Ops from way from the sky; Jaune enhancing her definetely makes sense
During Winter's slash against Ironwood, the subtitles said "lightning crackles"
Oscar's getting those Ozpin skills
15:49
Better one
The staff of creation was powering the comms as well, thus, when penny was reborn, contential comms had a little under a dozen seconds of leftover power.
1. Ironwood get his ass kick by everyone but i personally want Qrow to do it.
2. New soundtrack
3. Ambrosius is so cool
4. Penny became real girl
5. Portal to evacuate people of Atlas and Mantle to Vacuo
For Penny, they told ambrosia to get creative so I'm wondering if he - instead of using the parts to make the robocopy - rearranged the atoms into cells to make the real Penny a vessel for her soul. Because Technically the limits were:
"Use the existing robot parts"
"Make an exact robocopy of penny that includes Only the robot parts + virus"
"Find a way to not destroy Penny's soul in the process"
no where does he Have to use the existing parts to make the robocopy, just that those parts need to be used somehow and a robo copy needs to exist that has been separated from the soul. Since the atoms in this theory are rearranged and not created, once they're held together by Penny's soul they should be permanent, thus not creating or destroying anything per-say. This also explains the robocopy disappearing since it was made with the magic instead while the true physical stuff makes up real Penny.
if that makes sense? idk if that's how it works but that's what I'm thinking
My money is, the request was a play on the old ship paradox,
If you replace a piece of wood on a old ship each year, and keep the wood. By the time the whole ship has been repaired with new wood, if you rebuild the ship using the old wood. Which is the original, or both are the original ship.
By taking all the parts of penny, a replacement is needed or penny is destroy, so, new parts were used to keep the original from disappearing. But when new request is asked. Only the penny using the old parts were erase since that was the original request, leaving the penny with new parts as the sole original now.
From the created robot body's last moments the new Penny was giving off a green aura reading but no heat signature.
@@natchu96 oh I didn't catch that, that super interesting! So she's some other third thing?? Not really human per say but something more like jinn or ambrosia? Or even Weiss's summons? A being of pure aura?
The way I'm choosing to interpret it is that Penny's human body wasn't really a creation of Ambrosius. He said something like "How much would be my creation and how much would be her just rising to the surface?" By that logic it might follow that he didn't create her new body, it was just what was already there. Penny, the girl who was always underneath the metal. That might be why she would persist after the staff was used again, which would make that request all the more creative. Although I also like the reasoning being it would be against his rule to not destroy. Meanwhile the new Penny body would be akin to getting parts from an Ikea and putting them together. Maybe he didn't create the parts but he got them and put them together by a blueprint, making them his creation. Fundamentally it wouldn't be different (I don't think) if he had assembled it from raw materials or individual atoms.
- "How much would be my creation and how much would be her just rising to the surface?" By that logic it might follow that he didn't create her new body, it was just what was already there.
...Except, what was already there was robotic. All of it. She doesn't have a heart, or a brain, or blood, or organs (unless Pietro built her out of corpses like Dr. Frankenstein!), so where the hell did all of that come from?
That whole solution really, really bothers me...
@@Wyrdwad ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ idk just thinking out loud
Ok I have a few ideas and points on this. Firstly I find Ambro saying he can't bring back the dead. Reminds me of how the god of light said reviving Ozma was not creation.
I also want to point out regarding the falling. Obviously we see team rwby fall down in the opening. But we also got a fairy tale talking about a girl who fell through the world and came back a different person.
As for this space. I think it is the place between realms Ozma was taken to. Which if it is and Ruby does fall. Maybe she can have a chance meeting with the dead. Like Pyrrha maybe. Just a thought there.
I still think the vaults in terms of space in how it was built were made by each maiden who also made the door.
I also find it interesting how each vault so far seems to be set in the following season. Spring is a desert like summer. Winter looks like Spring.
As for Winter's slash... Maybe a more advanced form of time dilation since we know winter used lightning dust? Weiss did say she was just starting it.
@@10tailedbijuu Can you rephrase that. I don't quite understand?
@@johnsmith5922 they said they think ozpin created the vaults not the maidens
@@randomdudewithsomecommonse5281 Who said that?
Penny is a real girl.
always was
unlike blake
No lies found
Always Was even ruby said it but literally its true . Penny has always been technically human on the inside yet more badas Do to her robotic parts and since that was her body penny didn't really want to be Fully human atleast it wasn't Explicitly shown over and over again that she wanted to not be herself . Either way being now Human body just makes her an easy target for Cinder since well penny doesn't have any offense and now has to learn everything from scratch .
@@joshuaware818 i dont think she is fully *human* but we dont know exactly what she is right now
I think its worth noting what Winter says to Marrow when contacting Weiss "What I should have done a long time ago. Getting in touch with my sister." This can be taken both as her reaching out to Weiss since the battle for Atlas and Ironwoods decline as well as how she wasn't ever truly in touch with Weiss as a sister. Always keeping up a stoic professional military appearance in public and only briefly showing feelings when both were isolated to spend time with each other.
The Platform Warp Plane may be both a blessing and a curse: the good guys can use it to evacuate all the refugees away from this warzone to Vacuoo BUT all of Salem's forces can use it to their goals too.
7:04 That was some Adam Moonslice shit right there
14:07 really hope Penny's own semblance allows her to still use her Lasers cause that made Penny who she is to me
17:48 Anyone else got Avengers age of ultron from this scene
21:20 Anyone who Seen Star wars rebels s4 and Erza going through a Portal that brought him to the void of time that has doors that leads to the Past, Present, and Future will get the Similarities
Unfortunately, I think Penny has lost the ability to use Floating Array. It was intrinsically tied into her being a robot, hence why she could be hacked through it. She will likely require an entirely new weapon. I’m sure Ruby will be able to help.
@@10tailedbijuu well the maiden powers don’t really have a cost, but if she doesn’t want to be totally reliant on magic she will need the retrain herself. I’m sure her new body needs to eat/sleep/poo
Well, now I guess Penny will actually have to train her maiden powers.....
Guess Emerald wasn’t kidding about honing that semblance of hers.
Just a thought. The return of team JNPR.. Juane Nora PENNY Ren.. maby? Now that Penny is human, she would need the support of a team.
I hadn't thought about the fact Penny's robot parts already existed and were destroyed after that, hmm.
If I had to guess, once RWBY had the spirit create the new robot body, they fell under the umbrella of "his creation." So even though they already existed, they became of part of RWBY's creation, permanently altering them and making them able to fall apart once the magic moved onto something else. Meanwhile, Penny's human body could have been created by the spirit or by her soul itself. Either way, RWBY didn't ask for it to be created, and thus it wasn't affected by the next thing the staff was used for.
I'm really glad that Penny has finally became human and Ironwood got the ass-kicking that he deserved! (thought originally I thought his end would come when he meets with Qrow in their final fight) But what will happen next? Maybe there would be another theory vid about who will pass safely and who will fall when everyone evacuates the kingdom of atlas
"Before creation, comes destruction." - Beerus
except there is never any actual creation. there is not 'god of creation' after all.
Regarding stopping Ironwood, that played out largely as we all expected. Though, it IS a little lame that it took all of them dog piling on him to win.
As for Winter's finishing move there, it was very reminiscent of an RPG cut scene attack. Anyone else see it that way? lol
Mero's semblance is just dumb. With how powerful it is, just wow.
Yeah I found that interesting too. They didn't need to call the spirit's name to summon him. Perhaps only Jinn needed her name called because you need the KNOWLEDGE on how to use her. While with the others, its less picky. Or perhaps its simply a desire sensor of sorts. But you're right, this makes it possible for Neo to use the relics as well then.
The Pinocchio story has come full circle. Penny is human now. Can't wait for that comedy moment where she feels hunger and wonders what the heck is going on.
I wonder what her fighting style and weapon will be now? She cannot use her floating blades anymore....
I also loved seeing Weiss twirl the staff before summoning him the second time. heh
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if a portal opens in front of Salem too. Dunno how long her revival will take this time around, but....
@@10tailedbijuu Its entirely possible they were even more specific than what was shown, but going by what we were shown alone, we have to assume the possibility that Salem counts as another person on Atlas and/or Mantle. Hard to say. And frankly, they wouldn't make it obvious as it sets up for a cliffhanger. And honestly, that would make for a good season finale cliffhanger....
"Before creation comes destruction" - Lord Beerus (Dragon Ball Xenoverse)
Now that Penny became a human...
I am scared for her now...
To be fair there might be a bigger time gap. They only had to respond within the hour. Once Ruby called to say she was coming they may have got a little bit more time
Him snapping in explaining penny's body belongs in r/oddlysatisfying
Also some thoughts I have is how Vacuo citizens will react and if Ironwood is really sane now
At first I thought it would be cool if her robot body were to be left behind cause it could of been an interesting plot device in the future, but then I noticed it burned into ashes. Imagine 2 penny's. Also noticed the green aura inside penny's human body from the robots view lol
If they could make Penny a Human via the use of the Staff, could they not do the same for Salem? Make copy of her Grimm Body without her soul?
I like the way you think my friend.
That depends on how the curse works, if the corrupt immortal part is the soul Then we’ll have a fully functioning Salem and a soulless immortal Salem hulk running around. Making the situation far far worst
@@mingchen7704 I think Lock use the staff meant create a new body that held the grimm part of her which would disappear once something else was created and leave regular immortal Salem. This at, least temporarily, until she can make it back to the grimm pools takes away her ability to control grimm.
She would still have her magic and be evil at least
@@alien_tater4391 but is the grim part of her?
Since the staff stated what would be made to replace the used parts are that which is the manifestation of their soul. If Salem is corrupted to the soul (which I have reason to believe she is) then it would just make 2 of her. One with a soul, and another as a mindless husk that seek only of destruction.
That little comment at 12:41
Remember, an Architect's Dream is an Engineer's nightmare. Though seeing what Pietro is capable of, I guess things will be fine
As always my man I adore your reviews and previews, so yeah as always thanks for beautiful narration.
Vernal wasn’t a maiden. So she didn’t evaporate like pyrah or penny’s previous form.
No that's not why either of the two evaporated. Fria's body remained after she passed on her powers maidens don't turn into dusty when they die.
Pyrah was disintegrated by Cinder and Penny's robot body was a construct of Ambrosius at that point and it disintegrated when they made the new construct. Specially since Penny's robot body wasn't even a maiden since those powers stayed with her aura.
I agree with the idea of the vaults being the opposite of the kingdom, but not the landscape of another. I think that the vaults are instead the literal polar opposite of the kingdom it’s located in. The vault for the relics of knowledge was a desert in a kingdom know for having jungles and swamps with a huge lake near the top.
The vault for the relic of creation is a vast field with flowers in bloom. Atlas in a kingdom known for being extremely cold to point where life can in near inhospitable. Remember that one of the plans to bring chaos for Salem’s arrival was to turn of the heat in Mantle so people would die and bring negative emotions. This supports my idea for the vault of destruction being a giant lake in a desert (Lady of the lake being the spirit for the sword of destruction) and the vault of choice being a desolate place where nothing grows.
The new Genie is pretty fun. Winter's last hit on Ironwood though
I have watched the end of the episode 12.
I understood his warning. If you fall you’ll
Fall forever in the abyss. Till you die in old
Age. But i’m more impressed of Emerald.
Her Semblance is really OP. She make
illusion but she can make her self invisible.
Also Winter was planning to surprise General
Iron Wood.
Also i realize. The Relic of Creation can be used many times. As if its infinite. His use is unlimited. So it is dangerous.
Like I said, semblance: Future sight, your amazing at predicting your theories!!! 👍👍👍👍👍
So far, a lot of fan speculation was accurate. Qrow and Robyn runs into Winter and Marrow. Winter turns against Ironwood. Emerald goes to Ironwood disguised as Penny.
The part that somehow surprised me if how they created a real version of Penny, and the fact that they had such detailed plans and schematics ready so soon.
okay but that little moment between marrow and winter on the elevator makes me wanna ship them so much... is that bad?
@@10tailedbijuu woah, chill. i just find that moment adorable. no need to get hostile. jeez.
When the spirit in the Staff of Creation (I can't spell his name-) appeared, I thought he would say
_"TEN THOUSAND YEARS WILL GIVE YOU SUCH A CRICK IN THE NECK!"_
I don't think she would do this, but what if Emerald created an illusion of a walkway to lure Cinder, Watts or Salem onto them and I wonder Team RWBY will use the relic to either make a city for the refugees or possibly rebuild the CCT towers.
Something to add on to your Vault weather / academy location thought. Something I noticed with the concept art during the V8E11 credits.
One would think that the Vault linked with the Winter Maiden
would have snowy weather inside the vault.
Except, the vault opened by the Winter Maiden has spring weather inside. Again, its the Cycle of the Seasons. The Winter Maiden opens the door to the Spring Season. Then, the Spring Maiden opens the door to the Summer Season.
That's a really cool idea by Ozpin & Rooster Teeth.
*GOOOOOOD YOU’VE MADE THE REVIEW* This episode was absolutely fantastic and Phoenix question for ya what do you think will happen with human penny’s powers and how will she adapt do you think?
It'll be a drastic change for Penny for sure but I think the loss of her flying ability will be the most difficult for her to adapt to. Especially with that warning "Do not Fall", if Penny momentarily forgets she can't fly anymore, then that could be bad
@@PhoenixNight I agree and yes she can’t fly anymore so I do hope she doesn’t fall accidentally. Penny needs to stay alive.
@@PhoenixNight she still can use her maiden powers to fly🤔 Like Raven and Cinder...
@Michael Kruk Yes that's what I was thinking too. That she will be the next one with the polarity semblance! Then she can wield multiple sword again and use the maiden powers instead of lasers! Maybe her semblance will awaken by the dead of her father! 😃
My theory of the vaults' environments is that it relates to the environment of where the iconic object is found in the fairytales. Like how the genie in the lamp was found in the desert, there might be a staff/wand/scepter that was found in the middle of a grassland paradise in a different fairytale, but I haven't figured out which fairytale yet.
The relic spirits are both so damn hot
He said “Do not fall”. In the opening we see team RWBY fall and even more so, we see Ruby trying to reach for light, a light similar to the portals, only to be held back by grimm arms... which could be representative of Cinder possibly forcing her to stay or Salem, summoning arms to hold her back, leaving her alone and separated from her team in the end of the volume just like how her weapon is the only one remaining in the final shot of the opening. Just a theory, but I think it’s worth some thought.
@@10tailedbijuu Same, but it would also present an interesting idea of how Ruby acts when she’s truly alone, something we haven’t seen since volume 2 and even then, she was with Zwei.
They're yellow light roads! Like the yellow brick roads! 😆
Oooooooh i djdnt notice that 👍