2022 MOST FORGIVING DRIVER SHOOTOUT // Comparing the top 6 most forgiving drivers of the year
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- Today Ian and Mike dive into the most forgiving drivers of 2022. With a brand new format the guys rank the most forgiving drivers using 5 criteria’s:
1) Accuracy
2) Distance
3) Ball Speed
4) Looks
5) Sound & Feel
The drivers in today's test are:
1) Callaway Rogue ST Max
2) Cobra LTDx
3) Mizuno ST-Z 220
4) PING G425 Max
5) Titleist TSR2
5) TaylorMade Stealth
Find out which Driver Ian and Mikey rank as their favourite of 2022!
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Taking looks and feel out of the equation, I think it's very hard not to recommend the Cobra, especially at a significantly lower price point than the Titleist. But the TSR range look SEXY.
exactly. On the objective measures, Cobra wins
I agree..My concerns are the first three categories..
I have the Cobra. It has greatly improved my distance as well as dispersion. The club fitter at the retail outlet, who makes clubs highly recommended this driver. Tested it with 3 shafts and got rid of my slice as a bonus.
Just looking at a Cobra LTDx in 2024. You can buy one new for $249. I've seen them as low as $199. With new drivers from the Big Brand around $600, that seems like a huge bargain. The new ones aren't 3 times as good.
I’ve played the LTDx this year and I have to say it’s been one of my favorite ever. Forgiving and long- all for less $ than the big boys
Love my LTDx blue model
I’ll try the newer cobras some day, but my F8+ has yet to be beat by anything I’ve put it up against from newer competitors (ping, tm, and mizuno). The milled face is so good.
I feel like a group of people you're missing out on with testing is the high swing speed, high handicap players. Usually it's high swing speed and low handicap or low swing speed and high handicap. That being said, if you would someone who is comfortable in front of the camera and fits that group, give me a call lol
Would love this and never see it! I can bomb it with every club but never break 90. I would appreciate content for high handicappers at multiple swing speeds.
Most relatable thing I’ve ever seen. Above 110mph driver consistently, but hit less than 25% of fairways.
The part where Ian talks about certain faces being “easier to close” and therefore more ball speed was really informative!
I love when Mike does the testing. Our swing numbers are so similar. His testing of the LTDx early on is what ultimately clinched it for me and I got the LTDx LS. I absolutely love it. It is so long and forgiving for me. When I square it up, it just feels so fast, even though my swing speed is relatively low. The confidence factor definitely helps. I feel like I square it up a lot more often then not.
I think the most amazing part of this test was that Mikey was hitting almost every shot off the bottom of the clubface. Being a little more toe-biased at impact probably resulted in the draw and that gave him some more distance. He's capable of hitting the ball so much farther. Great job overall!
Great review and comparison! Removing the subjective categories the new top three are: Cobra (15 Pts), Titleist (14 Pts), Ping (11 Pts) & Taylormade (11Pts)
Be careful Will S, having Taylormade so low will get you banned
Such great, objective, and informative content!!
I’m no cobra Stan, but in the last video I believe the spin std dev. Was around 65 with Ian’s shots (which is insane) and didn’t get a shout. Those are crazy numbers.
Would love to have you guys work with a 7-9 handicap 60+ year old high 80's low 90's Swing speed and see how you optimize their set up. Great info in all your videos. Keep it coming!
Take out the subjective looks, sound and feel categories .......................... then the real winner is the Cobra.
I think cost of the club should also be part of the test!
Great channel guys, love you all.
Great video as usual guys! It would be interesting to see the same type of test with every driver fitted for Mikey or at least the same swingweight.
The ball flight just looked hotter off the Titleist than the others so wasn't surprised to see ball speed up and spin in the proper window. Seems to be a common theme with the TSR line thus far. Looking forward to my fitting next month and testing them. I am looking forward to the new releases from Srixon that are coming up soon as well.
High handicapper here. I didn't care about sound or looks so I was very happy when I chose my G425 driver. Shorter yardages, unusual sound BUT what a fairway finder.
I got fit into the Stealth from TSi3 bc it was the only one I could keep over 2000 spin consistently that looked good to me. I think they nailed the look of the TSR2 this year. Much less triangular looking.
That shape on the TSi2 was a deal breaker for me too.
Nice Job by Mike...Thats a task testing 6 drivers in a session, Looked like my last fitting with you !!! Exausting, Looks like a new Driver going in your bag before the season is out.... Interesting that Ian mentioned some heads are easier to close than others, Thanks Guys Great Content again and again... cheers
wow tsr taking both the players and forgiving tests is pretty remarkable. i’ve hit both and loved them. will be ordering soon!
he was all over the low toe of the ping and the swing speed was usually about 100 highest 102. the stealth started hitting 104 and the titliest was 103.5+. The cobra LTD x had a 105 in there. so just the variance of swing speed overall must have a huge influence on the numbers.
I agree. It would be better if they showed the average swing speed and efficiency for each driver. Showing a 6mph ball speed difference from top to bottom is misleading without context.
I hit the Ping G425, Rogue Triple Diamond LS, Cobra LTDx LS, and Stealth in a fitting at True Spec earlier this year. The Cobra ball speed jump is for real. Nothing different about my swings, the Cobra just generates that much more.
I went with the very similar but lower Rogue because I loved the matte crown much more than the Cobra.
@@dronepocket325 not necessarily
@@soobrex1 I also can't stand a glossy crown. the LTD X is quite matte though isn't it?
@@Kylegolfs94 everything except for the transition to the face, and unfortunately that was really catching my eye. I could definitely see that as something that would bother me on the course, catching sun and reflecting back.
Love this! I swing it very similar to Mike and his specs! Very helpful!
Sold my Mizuno ST-Z last month for the Tour Edge Exotic E722. Added 10 yards to carry distance. Tightened dispersion noticeably.
Nice win for the Cobra. Distance Speed and accuracy is all that matters. You wouldn't discount a HIO if you skamped it and it landed 20 yards short and bounced and rolled into the hole.
It's interesting seeing this because I just finished a driver fitting a few days ago. I'm a 6.6 handicap with an average driver swing speed of 110 mph. For me, Ping G425 Max was by far the most accurate and most forgiving in the fitting, so I'm not at all surprised to see it again ranked number one in accuracy here. I thought the TSR2 looked the best, but it was much more difficult to control, which was disappointing. But to all of us, the Callaway sounded the best--a great, classic sound. Wish the Ping sounded like that! Ultimately, if I'm choosing between having a few more yards of distance or a lot more accuracy, I'm always going to choose accuracy. So I ended up with my first Ping driver, and it's supposed to be here this week. Really excited! I can now see why MyGolfSpy rated it the number one over all driver for both Mid and High swing speeds.
Interesting. It just goes to show how important a proper fitting is in relation to your own physical capabilities. I’m a “mature” golfer with fairly debilitating arthritis.
I was able to properly test the Ping G425, Taylormade Stealth, Callaway ST Max and the Mizuno (sorry no titleist). My driver swing speed averaged for the test at 87mph across the board.
Ping instantly dismissed as it sounded like hitting an empty coke can (plus it only came 4th on distance). Taylormade second on distance but I definitely lacked consistency from arround the face (I’m no professional at a 22 handicap). It came down to a showdown between the Mizuno and the Callaway. Callaway a clear winner for me at my swing speed giving best to all the others by just over 8 yards and by far the tightest dispersion, both left to right and front to back. 40 gram shaft, 1 inch shorter and lofted up to 14degrees. First brand new driver I have bought in over 8 years. 😊
Atta boy!
Toed the crap out of the Ping and it was still the most accurate. That’s forgiveness. As a higher handicap player that hits all over the club face that’s what I need more than another 10 yards deeper in the trees.
I enjoy seeing these type of test with all the details comparisons with all the drivers from the TXG team. I'm a recreational golfer and don't play in any tournament. So for me price is also a factor to choose a forgiving driver.
Callaway Rogue ST max: $550
Cobra LTDx: $500
Mizuno ST-Z 220: $299
Ping G425 Max: $400
Titleist TSR2: $600
TM stealth: $580
During my testing in a hitting bay, I got similar results as Mikey but for me, the extra distance/ball speed wasn't worth the extra money so I purchase the Mizuno STZ-220 and I have no regret.
Love the video. Gotta say, though, I got used to the sound of my Ping G425 Max driver with my 105 mph swing speed when I keep looking up and see it going straight down the middle! Eventually your brain equates the sound to "just another perfect drive" :)
Great video as always guys 😀👍
I"m not surprised by the results. That new driver has been getting great reviews.
Curious why the older model Mizuno and not the STZ 220?
Good review. No favors. Just pure data. Keep it up guys
I would say Cobra ltdx had best overall results if you take out looks and feel. Price for the Cobra is also $150 less in Canada. Its looks and feel are not that bad, not like the Ping
Why would you take factors out just to fit a narrative? They also mentioned those are subjective.
@@uwrossl you basically answered your own question. You take them out because they’re subjective so while Mikey may have liked the sound, looks and feel of the tsr, someone else is gonna prefer the cobra or ping etc so when you take the subjective things and then you add the fact they are quite a bit cheaper, it is arguably they best driver.
@@svk_5104 Wrong. This is their test and what's best for Mikey. They plainly state that. Sorry it doesn't fit your narrative.
@@svk_5104 I agree. One thing I liked about this video is that Mikey has a slower swing speed and closer to mine. I have the rogue st max and like it . I also like the ltdx,
@@uwrossl exactly! What’s best for Mikey isn’t what’s best for everybody else. You take out the subjective categories they have(looks, sound and feel)and you can argue the Cobra performed every bit as good as the TSr. They have the ltdx 3rd behind the stealth and it outperformed the stealth in every single objective category(accuracy, distance and ball speed), that just doesn’t makes sense. They basically just said “cobra is all around the better performing driver but the stealth looks sounds and feels just a little bit better so it’s the better driver.” I also think price point should be looked at because the ltdx retails for $100 cheaper and was neck and neck with the TSr in distance and ball speed but was a lot more accurate. There’s no narrative to push. The facts are literally in this video
Mikey got a workout today.
Great video thanks, just on your grid at the end I think the points 1-6 on sound should be other way round
Interesting guys. Trying to test the TR soon and I think the TSR2 might be the one for me, but getting fit will tell. :)
Enjoy Scott!!
Recently switched to the Cobra head not the low spin version. WOW!!! Best driver on low mis hits. Which are my speciality 👌
Would love to see a test between 913 D2 vs TSR2. See how much difference over 10 years
I second that! especially since I play some older Titleists - 915 and 910.
I think Rick shield did a fairly decent test over about a decade of Titleist, but only from 909 to 917 or tsi maybe.
@@stuboy13 jus curious to see if there is much to be gained.
Would also love to see this!
Swapping from a 917 vs tsr3 there was a 15 mph ball speed difference and a 20 yard carry difference for me. Imo titleist only brings out something if it is significantly better than the prior model. The TM and callaway seem to plateau every 2/3 years then make a jump.
I owned the 913 D2 and 913 D3 and 915 D3. Hit the TSi 2 and TSi 3. 913 would be way shorter for most people due to the 1K extra RPMs in backspin. If you’re a high spin player the TS, TSi and TSR lines are massive improvements
Don’t talk about my ping baby like that! 😂
The new Titleist range appears to be performing really well.
Thanks for the videos and comparisons! There was also a variance of 1-4mph swing speed so that may account for some of the differences in carry/total yards? Also-one of the things that is rarely discussed is price vs numbers vs value for $$? Most people do not have $600+ to drop on a driver.......you guys might but I do not!
I game the Cobra Radspeed XD and still love it. Super easy to hit amd long. love the soznd and feel as well.
Recently fitted into the Ping G4250Max, yeah it's louder than most, but goes straight. Definitely prefer center of the fairway.
Great video. Thank you
Great job Mikey, love reviews like this so thanks guys👍. With TSR2 I tried it yesterday & was recommended the premium Graphite Design AD option, any thoughts on how it compares to Tensei Blue 65? Only 55 available unfortunately & tip too active for me, weirdly I like it in my 3 wood
Welp…looks like I’m buying an LTDx 😂
Great content guys
I'm not sure if it's been requested, but it would be really cool to see a TSI 2 versus TSR 2 to see how much of an improvement it is over the driver it's replacing. Great stuff as always, keep it up!
Honestly, I don't know how the Ping developers heard those acoustics and said "Wow. That's sweet music."
this ping driver sounds better than the former ones xD
Hmm. How the Cobra isn't as heralded as the Titleist?! That is phenomenal based on the data and price point and they arrived earlier to the table! Might not have the badge in the bag, but clearly outstanding. Well done.
Cobras a great driver!! I have one and love it
Man, I wish I had your club face control!…great video
I know 6 is a lot to test but a PXG product would have been also nice because of cost. All of your selections are pretty pricey. Love the comparison videos.
Considering how poor the strikes were on the Ping and how well it did in terms of dispersion and distance it’s not even close imo
Dispersion on callaway was also very good.
I can say I’ve gamed almost all these drivers (except for tsr and Mizuno) and when I need to hit a fairway I pull the Ping every time. Hitting in a bay is one thing but when the rubber hits the road out in the real world and you need to put a ball in play it’s the Ping every time for me.
"Mikey, Mikey, Mikey!!!" 🤣
I'm very impressed with the Titleist numbers! Looks like they got it right on that one!
Really like the graphs in this video
Good stuff. I think I might break them up into performance and performance + subjective. I guess if you hate how it looks or sounds, you might not want to play it.
Switching from tsi3 to LTDX is the best decision I’ve made. So much easier to hit.
Love how you removed the “shot counter” from the foresight header!
Cobra. I’m so impressed with the Cobra’s distance plus accuracy results that I may need to go test it myself.
It’s a great driver. I bought the ltdx LS model a couple months ago and the sound, feel and performance is amazing and for a low spin “players” driver it is pretty damn forgiving so I can only imagine how forgiving the the ltdx model is and you can get them at a steal right now. They retail for $500 but you can find them on eBay going for about $200 cheaper give or take. I bought mine brand new and paid $283 with tax and shipping.
@@svk_5104 thanks, gtk!
Most popular at TXG in 2022!!
Tried all other than the TSR. The Callaway won it for me (massively unexpected from a TM player)… recommend a fitting for everyone though as always!
Looks like if you don’t use a 3 wood off the deck, you could run the Ping G425 as a fairway finder off the tee behind the LTDx or TSR2
Looks sound and feel have too much weight in this in my opinion. The second least accurate drive can win the forgiving driver shootout? It's 60% as accurate as first place. As a TS3 and Ping G425 max player, my key takeaway from this is Cobra LTDx is a great club that I should check out.
I can understand what you are saying but I wouldn't play the Ping because of looks and sound no matter how well it performed. I know it may sound silly but a lot if people feel the same way.
@@whocares3986 I would play a driver no matter the sound if it was 40% more accurate. Performance data vs aesthetics and acoustics. To each their own. That being said, sample size here is too small for significant conclusions.
@@glennsmith8373
They all make a good driver. I think it comes down to the right fit. I think you could get very close to the same results from any major brand. Ping do make a very forgiving driver. I just couldn't play it. I have played their irons in the past and used their putters. I don't hate the brand at all.
Wish he would’ve hit the Ping a bit better. The one shot that wasn’t off the bottom went an extra 20+ yards than the previous ones. Love the detailed testing nonetheless
The Ping, its not very forgiving on the ears.
I'm always amazed how bad it sounds in Rick shiels videos.
@@scottgibbs7235 tin can
I had one and it’s worse indoors than out.
As long as the performance is right I don’t care about sound
lol yes it’s loud but it’s a bomber
Upgraded from Mizuno STZ to the TSR2. Swing the same as Mike...mishits with the TSR2 were centre fairway and 253 yards carry, total 263. Lost 20 yards in distance but kept the ball in play. The forgiveness is insane and ball speed all over the face.
Was this the stz or the stz 220?
Going to be interesting to see if Ping addresses the G425 clubhead noise in the upcoming G430 driver.
I hit TSR2 yesterday for the first time and its hands down the best feeling driver I've ever hit. I think if I can get the face angle to look right it will be a monster.
Great swings Mikey , Tsr for the win , but very close with cobra . Tsr gets nod based on sound , looks , and feel .
The ping doesn't sound bad outdoors, but it is really loud indoors
It is bad outdoors too, just not as bad.
I'd damn near rather not play than have to listen to that Ping driver on every tee shot 😅
I hope the Ping G430 is quieter when it is released soon. Mizuno and Taylormade are expensive over here. Ping have dropped their price a tad because the new release is coming, Do you include PXG in up and coming tests.
I know I asked before, but could you confirm what size birtee you guys are using? I can’t understand how he could get a 14 (I think I saw once there) upwards angle of attack woth a size 4 birtee?
What shaft was used in the Titleist TSr2 Driver?
The titleist gear is phenomenal this release. Curious how Taylormade looks come spring
One of Mike’s swings with the Cobra was 5mph faster than the Rogue. Ball speed and carry impacted?
So a club scoring near the bottom for accuracy wins first place? That seems strange for a ranking of "forgiving" drivers. In fact, rating a club based on looks and sound and feel seems a little silly when they really don't have any effect on where the ball lands.
I love being in the fairway, cheers Ping
There’s nearly a 5mph difference in clubhead speed between some of the clubs. That can’t be clubhead alone.
Hmmm. Blurred out strike counter, no avg swing speed/ smash factor?
Looks a bit Fishy to me....the guys swing speed got quicker on certain clubs. You never show the swing speed in the end review. Perhaps you should do them all at 100 mph, his starting swing speed or Ian you do it at 110 mph. he never hit the middle of the club.
I don't understand how the most forgiving driver is the one that has almost the worst dispersion. When I got fitted at Precision Golf, the fitter asked what I wanted. I asked for forgiveness and tighter dispersion, which saw me in the Ping G425 SFT. I've lost 10 to 15 yards, but almost all my drives find the fairway or first cut. In the same fitting, I hit the Sim Max 2, a driver that was raved about as being long and forgiving, but I found it 10 yards longer than the Ping, but some 45 yards right. Only needed 3 hits to know it didn't suit me at all!
So, how is launch and distance the "forgiving" bit? Surely dispersion is what to look at?
Good stuff
Looks like Mike's work with Martin Chuck is paying off.
Trying!!!!
Tour edge. I don't play it but from reviews it's pretty good
I wonder if you had turned the loft sleeve to a draw on the Callaway, how much of an improvement on the numbers would have been? With it being a slight right push fade it still was going a decent distance.
I can't believe that the Cleveland Launcher drivers weren't included. The Lite is a great value driver for all abilities. I got rid of my Mizuno STZ for the Cleveland Lite... Best decision ever.
Would have liked to see the PXG 0311 XF included as well. But you have to cut it off somewhere I guess.
Glad to see Titleist on top in terms of performance but I would be interested to see a durability test, in the past year I’ve had two TSi models replaced under warranty a TSi2 and a TSi4. Very unimpressed with the build quality and how easy it was to dent the crowns on the TSi’s. Hopefully the TSr’s are more durable.
@@dronepocket325 I bought the 2 in May of ‘21 when my ball speed was low 170’s with driver and originally got for for the 3 but hated the shape so went with the 2. Now my ball speed is in the mid-high 190’s and am playing the 4 with the Ventus black 7x I was fit properly both times just gained a ton of speed. Also this is not relevant to the point that I was making about durability
I just got fit for a new driver. I got fit back in February for stealth. When I hit it solid it is great. I don’t think the forgiveness was great. I’m a decent ball striker but misses with stealth weren’t good for me.
I ended up between tsr3 and cobra. The cobra was a lot longer, but I couldn’t keep it consistent. Where the tsr 3 was the consistency king for me.
Ended up with tsr3 and excited for it to arrive. For a players club, it was very forgiving
When I went to dicks a few weeks back I tried the Cobra, the Callaway and the Ping and the Cobra was by far the most consistent. I'm a fairly high swing speed player 115 is about my average 117 is my high end, but I struggle with a slice when I hit the Ping it actually had my longest drive of the day, but it was extremely inconsistent for me (could have been a shaft issue who knows, it wasn't a fitting just a as is testing.) The Callaway was fine, but the Cobra was by far my most accurate driver, I saw a much much better dispersion with it than any other.
This was really shocking to me as the Ping is the one I WANTED to be the best but I just couldn't get it to work for me.
Bagging a Stealth 10.5 with project X LZ San Diego Stiff. Head set to standard 10.5 loft. On trackman, I am hitting up 6 degrees launch angle 15-16 degrees. My spin is regularly sub 2000. Typically 1500-1800. I’m guessing I’m hitting up on it and hitting it high on the face.
Any tips to get more spin and decrease my angle of attack?
Don’t understand the hate on g425s sound. I think the sound is great when on the course.
Agreed
Maybe it depends on your club head speed. I've heard others hit it, and it wasn't that bad. I'm not crazy fast or anything, but im in the 116-118 club low 170s ball, and when I took one to the range to demo, it was reliculously loud to me. To the point where I was literally imbarrassed to hit it in front of people. Im sure that could be fixed with some hotmelt in the head or something.
How about the Tour Edge models?
Imagine if he ever hit the center of the clubface. Every shot was out by the toe. He hit a few close to the center with the Titleist. Probably why it was a little longer.
The word "forgiving" didn't seem to be addressed in this comparative video. Who needs forgiving when the delta between the most and least forgiving is only 6 mph ball speed, accuracy extremes of 25 yards and all the drives were greater than 265 yards? To me the most forgiving club would be the one(s) with the least deviation between some mid-handicappers using the same clubs. And for Pete's sake, what does looks, feel or sound have to do with forgiveness?
These are higher MOI drivers therefore designated as “forgiving drivers” looks, sound and feel is part of every fit we do. I don’t think I’ve ever sold a club to someone who said, I hate the look, sound and feel but it performs good so I’ll take it. That just doesn’t happen, therefore it matters in our opinion.
@@clubchampionmedia I understand, it was just fitting in this fine review with the word forgiving. As a mid to high Hcp player what I (and I can only comment on myself) would look for regarding a purchase would just be a view with two outcomes. One exactly as you have it and the other that would address the forgiving (or not) qualities of the club. In particular off center ball strikes, resistance to pulls and slices - those sort of things. Thanks for taking the time to respond.
LOL. I'm the minority then. Got fitted and purchased solely on performance attributes when looking for a forgiving driver. Sound, looks and feel did not factor. Figured I would learn to like those characteristics after repeatedly seeing my ball high and center fairway.
What is causing 5 more miles per hour club speed with Cobra?
Off for a test session tomorrow at my local fitter. Very excited to hit the TSRs (i have a TSI3 at the moment).
PXG needs to be in there as well
Yup , being able to rotate the club face is important to me , lol there are some good drivers I jus can't .
I love mikey, but I would of liked to of seen ball strikes all over the face. and a higher handicap person doing the test as well. I still love the video! keep up the great and amazing work you all!
I don’t want to see strikes all over the place 😂😂 great feedback though!!!
Compare clubhead speed between the 2 first drivers. 5mph is a lot of speed to adjust for when it comes to ballspeed and total length. You don’t just swing faster cause you change heads. At least not by 5%