Overwatch is for Sweaty Tryhards | OW2 Hot Takes #28
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 พ.ค. 2024
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I didn't write it as bait, I'm just that untalented.
Don't worry. High level players that literally play the game as a fulltime job would never understand where you're coming from with your take.
based as hell (“ow is one of the more casual games out there” ??? absolutely not karq)
I definitely agree and unfortunately for a lot of these dense games your only options is online content which you already seem to be doing. So just keep it up brother, it’s a dense as hell game
Btw the feature you requested actually exists in street fighter 6 and I watched plat and diamond players fight against the same matchup I just lost to
I've tried to get so many friends into the game and they all say the same thing you said. Not new player friendly. Way to sweaty for them 😅
Sweaty tryhards hang out in QP when they can't hang in comp.
Sometimes it's even more sweaty in qp. Lol.
Youll find difficult players in every gamemode, qp is generally less toxic though. So you may get your ass handed to you but lil jimmy probably wont be rubbing it in your face at the end.
@kielmessersmith1956 lol. I've seen all sorts of toxic bs in qp and comp. Most of the time, I just laugh it off. Sometimes if it's a sombra(I personally am not a fan of playing against her, sym or venture)or widow or someone focusing me only and I am dps especially, I will swap to a hero to counter them and focus back on them without being toxic but enough to make them stop trying to focus me and rethink their gameplay. Not quite to the point of a spawn camp since i dotn care for that stuff, but if they are widow, for example, they will have to deal with a sombra constantly on any high ground they chose
@kielmessersmith1956 lol. I've seen all sorts of toxic bs in qp and comp. Most of the time, I just laugh it off. Sometimes if it's a sombra(I personally am not a fan of playing against her, sym or venture)or widow or someone focusing me only and I am dps especially, I will swap to a hero to counter them and focus back on them without being toxic but enough to make them stop trying to focus me and rethink their gameplay. Not quite to the point of a spawn camp since i dotn care for that stuff, but if they are widow, for example, they will have to deal with a sombra constantly on any high ground they chose
And try playing QP late at night, it's less balanced than a cinder block in a washing machine. You're better off waiting long queue times if you want balanced matchmaking.
Hot Take: The game should have an area where we can get an in-depth analysis of each hero's abilities, like maybe when viewing the hero's abilities you can press a button for "advanced details" that shows how much damage each ability does, the range, falloff, CD; Does it stun, slow, buff; how much is the buff/ debuff; and how many "points" does each ultimate need. LoL has the details on a pop up when you hover over the ability, Apex I can go into the training range and see the damage numbers, but for OW I either have to go the fandom page (which sometimes isn't updated) or get a workshop code (which might not work after an update) or get a friend that'll let me shoot them. I feel like this shouldn't be that hard to implement nor keep updated.
I don't really think this is a hot take. It seems like basic design that every competitive game should include. At the very least they could actually tell you what the abilities do in game. I remember the first time I used Illari's ult and flew into the air unexpectedly. Admittedly it was hilarious, but it's not something that should ever happen in a game like this lmao.
The "Longer you play in a community the more you'll find cracks in the seams" is so true
Fundamentally, as you grow more attachment for a game, you become more critical of it and focus on the problem points rather than focusing on the really great parts, cause as we all know, it's easier to be negative than it is to be positive. You can see this for literally any game, *especially* with bigger games (cough cough minecraft)
I came over from gundam evolution and the difference in quality is night and day
Hot take: in most situations I find it better to play into your teams strengths rather than your enemies weaknesses.
That's not a hot take that's factual 🤙
Yeah, if your tank has pressure W syndrome than you’re better off playing more aggressive as a team in general. With supports which can put a good chunk of resources in.
Sitting in the backline with a tank that wants to dive isn’t gonna do anyone any good.
I agree, but I think it applies to playstyle moreso than hero synergy. More often than not, I find the synergy doesn't play out, will get countered, or the other player will swap.
Counter-swapping is overated
To be honest. When it comes to alot of the major topics from the past year of overwatch 2.
"Nerf this nerf that"
"6v6 this 5v5 that"
"Counter this counter that"
All of it feels like it comes from the this idea I have, that overwatch players struggle to identify strengths and weaknesses in themselves, in their teammates, in ideas etc. I come from paladins and tf2, and I've never seen players scapegoat as much as overwatch players do. And it's wild to me because I don't even think overwatch is THAT much more confusing than paladins or TF2 (definitely not more confusing than paladins). And yet, I really struggle to see why so many overwatch players argue about some of the stuff that they do.
Hot take: Whenever an entire role is struggling due to balance/design problems (like current tank or Season 1 support), that role has the most opportunity to carry a game. Every role has always been important regardless of how "weak" it is overall. In S10, the team that generally wins is the team with the tank who finds a way to get value without getting totally shredded. In season 1, the team with the supports who could fend off flankers generally won. You're primarily being compared against the same role on the other team, and if you can find ways to consistently get value when your role is bad, it's probably easier to win more games than when your role is good even if it feels bad.
Ya but that doesn’t mean we should settle for boring pain inducing gameplay
Season 1 support was the most fun version of support. zen was so fun that season
@@PhenomRom Cuz supports were OP is S1
@@Koriiiitroo. I was getting smoked by myself on dps by all the cracked people playing with their friends. One night I tried playing support and I stuck with zen/bap/and kiri and I basically just walked around like a 3rd dps. I didnt stick to support though cause I got bored of the whole headshot people all day -> use my ult -> win the teamfight. It was very brainless. So I went back to dps and it genuinely made me instantly lose faith in every support under diamond because they were just heal botting me and a tank that's just shooting an orisa all day. Like bro, how are people sinking hundreds of hours into these heroes and they can't hit a shot.
Hot Take: the discord nerf isnt much of a nerf at all when you figure out it incentivizes people to either disengage and run for cover, or sit there and take it. kinda lose/lose when you think about it. well placed discords can absolutely mess with an opposing teams synergy.
source: a Zen main
6:50 he completely misunderstood the comment its suzu without invulnerabilty but with cleanse. not without both
Exactly, also the DPS passive counts as a negative effect, so you are literally guaranteed to heal 100
yeah, when you have a skill that all the 5 enemies needs to work their butt off to force it, before every f-ing hard engage is way to polarizing. Every single dmg ult in the game cant be used before it, or it is used to force the suzu. kiriko without suzu goes from S to C easily
@@S85B50EngineHe definitely didn't misunderstand, you're just not taking into account that without invulnerability the dps passive cleanse is effectively useless outside of the moment of impact, aka the effective total healing from the suzu itself. In an actual fight, the invulnerability protects from the dps passive immediately being reapplied, but without it the passive would get cleansed for a split second before it got reapplied, making it effectively null in actual fights. In contrast the Ana nade not only has the anti effects for enemies, but also has a sustained heal boost after initial impact which would at least have a guaranteed prolonged benefit for the recipient regardless of whether dps passive is applied. Cleanse as a reactionary effect is only strong against debuffs on high cooldowns/have high costs, and as mentioned has little to no value with low cooldown debuffs like dps passive. Without the invulnerability you would always be on the back foot even in the best of cases, making it an alright heal burst first and mitigation tool second.
@@DragonEdge10 you can make it a small window that doesn't let you reapply debuffs.
It would still be extremely strong.
Also Kiriko already has the best survivability of all supports, highest dps high healing output, one of the best ults in the game...
Her kit needs some downsides.
@@Lordin_ she already has the best survivability, damage, seclcond best mobility, best ult, one of the stronger healing outputs...
She would still be at the very least mid-high A tier as a whole.
Hot take: they should've kept the end-of-season competitive rewards, just make it legacy points only. That way you could focus on progressing towards Jade (and whatever variants there'll be in the future) weapons without feeling as much FOMO about Gold weapons since you're getting a seperate currency for them.
The last one: I get it dude, I don’t like Cassidy as a character, but if it’s a gun game, that’s an archetype of gun games & there’s always gonna be one like him. You’re always going to get pistol guy, smg guy, shotgun guy, rifle guy, auto rifle guy, machine gun guy, rocket guy, grenade guy, sniper guy… you see what I’m saying?
“Overwatch is a game for sweaty try hards”
Let me introduce you to Apex Legends…. 😂😂😂
At least I can play the characters I want to play in apex
@@cayjaywings7960for 5 seconds before you get jumped on cause mmr is a joke to that game 😂
@@cayjaywings7960because of much easier it is to balance a game like that
Apex Legends is the Instagram of FPS shooters. Instagram is instant popularity for celebrities and caters to them, Apex Legends does the same for streamers.
6:50 you completely misread the comment, I wasn't saying remove cleanse and immo, I said remove immo and keep cleanse.
Heck, with the DPS passive back at 20%, it being counted as a debuff (so you heal 100) and it cleansing it... it would be even stronger.
Removing that debuff was strong, now it's even stronger.
Also, Kiriko's kit is already strong enough, she doesn't need everything in her kit to be as busted as it is.
streamers having any reading comprehension challenge
just take away the invincibility aspect of suzu and its balanced
actually true
The problem then would ne the fact that the ability might be useles if there is no character in enemy team that you can cleanse. Something else would be better in My openion
@@noppanollaeh still has a nice heal to it. And if the ability isn’t useful, then pick another hero tbh.
@@SILK97 oh yeah I forgot the heal. Then that would be ok idea
Tbh I think it's the duration of invinciblity. Tone that down to .001s and everyone will be happy because kiri players will need to time it reallllll precise and players can counter play sooner.
I dont think he was saying remove cleanse, just that you remove the invulnerability from cleanse. So you still get shot, but the stun is gone
A scoreboard is not a mistake. If someone on your team dies 10 times and everyone else on your team has like 4-5 deaths, that person is the main reason for losing. Without the scoreboard people wouldnt know what the problem is and would probably flame the whole team. But with a scoreboard people know who the problem is and be able to avoid them.
I think a better scoreboard would be something that tracks the total of a team’s efforts, rather than individual.
I feel like the take is simultaneously hot and cold because scoreboards are extremely black and white in terms of teaching people to either use the info to recognize issues and adapt, or see issues and either try to overcompensate or throw all blame on someone.
I've seen plenty of players use it to see their Ana getting killed a lot and adapting to help her survive. But I've seen many more see the Ana getting killed then blame her almost exclusively for the team losing, or for the Ana to play much more risky to try and overcompensate for her healing number being below the Lúcio who's been on heal boost all match.
but people cant read scoreboard... bastion dps with 12k dmg was flaming sombra with 6k dmg but they both had similar kills... once zenyatta was talking that he has better stats than me (I was dps), because he had more dmg and more assists (ZENYATTA). I had games when ppl flamed my ana for not enough heals when I got the same or more kills and in other games ppl flame me for healbotting and not more kills.
Hot take: we need less new game modes and more maps for the game modes we have. Push only has three maps, and now we’ve gotten two new game modes before push got a fourth map. Flashpoint released with two, and before we got a third map, we’re getting clash. I know push maps and flashpoint maps are big, but it’d be nice to have new maps for those game modes before we get new maps for other modes/new modes
Hot take: OW1 scoreboard was better than current. We don’t need to look at each others mitigation, deaths or dmg/healing. The medal system may have promoted toxicity, but it now feels like a wiener measuring contest with other roles other than your own
Hot take: healing abilities on primary/secondary fire do more harm than good. They make new support players think that healbotting is good, they make non-support players think that healbotting is good (so they get mad when their supports shoot red team instead of blue team), and they're the primary driver of healing creep (because they need to heal enough to ever be worth shooting blue team instead of red team). Supports should heal like Lucio, Zen, and Brig (low passive healing, cooldowns, ults).
" If I were just better I would have won" mentality I think should be changed to "What could I have done better?" Because odds are, no matter how bad your teamates are, there was SOMETHING that you could have done better SOMEWHERE in your gameplay, even if it wouldn't have turned the match around. For example, I was playing a rein mirror and absolutely whiffed a shatter with no teammates near me and no real thought put into it. DPS flamed me, rightfully so. However by the end of the game, the tanks had about the same k/d while enemy dps had 30 kills and mine had around 7 spending the whole match talking about that one shatter at the beginning of the match. It was a dps gap through and through, but that doesn't mean that shatter wasn't atrocious and something I need to be more aware of when to use it.
it's definitely a hot take to think that adding a scoreboard is a bad move. Also, lots of us have been asking for a scoreboard for a long time, and when they give us that NOW we want it gone? Give the devs some slack guys!
I do agree though that some use the scoreboard as a scapegoat, I literally played with an Orisa trashing us DPS just cause he got like 8k dmg despite ending with a 10 kills 10 deaths record. Like why are you bragging about your 8k when whenever you get a kill you immediately die.
Like mothafking Orisa, playing a meta tank currently, and yet literally got solo rolled by an effin Sombra, three times, the same Sombra I kept rolling on with my pulse bombs like 2 times.
Like bruh you're Orisa, and you're currently meta, why are you getting solo killed by a Sombra?!
And why is it that whenever you get a pick you get insta-killed? Don't brag about your 8k dmg if you literally have 10 kills 10 death record, my guy
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But thats the fact that most ppl read scoreboard different or cant read it at all. Once my supports flamed me for bad stats (I was dps) when I had most kills and less deaths, but still it was sth like 20+/7 and we had illari and zen so they were doing a lot of dmg and zen was talking that he has better stats because of asists (like... im support main, your assists are your discord and healing orb...) and zen was 18/12 and illari was saying I was the worst player in the match. Ignoring the fact that he was making fun of me and kinda toxic now I dont know what is more important, assists as zenyatta? I dont think so. A lot od dmg on illari? not sure... I think k/d is the most important thing but people are so weird, they can flame me as Ana when I have most kills and low heal but in other match they will flame me that im healbot and I dont have enough kills. or I had dps trashtalking other dps because he was bastion and he had 12k dmg but we had sombra with maybe 6k dmg and similar kills. Its bad tbh. I wish I could turn scoreboard off because I see how it impact my matches and my attitude, I get mad fast because I see bad stats of teammates and I dont want to see it, any idea which key would be great to change from 'tab'? 😅
Hot Take: Tracer’s chronol accelerator should count as her crit hitbox, her ridiculous small hit box makes her impossible to hit which lets her run rampant in the leaderboards, lore wise it was a weak point doomfist took advantage of so it would make sense to include that in game. (Yes I hate playing against her as a tank or support, challenging her as chonky DPS like bastion or reaper isn’t fun either)
Disagree. Tracer has a small body hitbox, but instead a huge head hitbox. My wife plays Ashe and for her Tracer is just the best matchup because she just constantly killing Tracer in her head.
i dont think this should be a hot take but ive been playing alot of qp lately and really it is, hot take qp shouldnt be taken seriously
I don't usually. I rarely play my mains and just play other heroes even if I am not good at them since I'm playing with friends etc.
12:55 they've separated the heal, the invuln, and the clear ane were only referring to the invuln.
And example would be it clears nade and heals but does not prevent any damage. No becoming ephemeral.
Hot take: take mauga and make him do less dmg per bullet but generate the same amount of overheath as if he was doing the same amount but decrease his spread on single fire
Hot take: Sombra hack shouldn't transform Ball to crab form when he is in ball form. It could prevent ramming speed or other damaging abilities, but no amount of Ball damage upgrades will make him feel better to play as long as someone can switch to Sombra and instantly ruin your ability to play the hero. Ram doesn't have to deal with forced form changes, and neither should Ball players.
Ram's nemesis is in a long cooldown
Ball form isn't
Ball is already getting buffs in some days, you guys just want him to be unstoppable?
@@luizeduardoortizduarte4380 Sombra is the primary reason those massive buffs to Ball are even necessary. It is not healthy for the game to have a single hero that becomes a must pick if the enemy has a certain other hero.
13:42 i agree 10000% with this comment. Bless this person. I just like that were getting tons of updates and feedback from the devs and seeing them do interviews and not being afraid to take risks. It keeps the game fresh. While yes, the shop sucks. The battle pass is not that bad. Its easily grindable, doesnt cost too much and they just added premium currency to the pass. Old blizzard wouldnt have done this. Not with Bobby Kotick around. But we do get a lot of updates and we do have it much better than some games.
Hot Take: It is simply impossible for these changes to make everyone happy now that they giga buffed tanks dps players are now going to be upset because it’s harder to take down tanks and vise versa if you buff dps and nerf tanks which then only leads into the argument of 6v6 vs 5v5.
You say every FPS ever has a sniper, like widow. But also every FPS ever has had a smoke ability, why do we not have smoke in OW?
I miss doing dumb shit in quickplay. OW really because excessively tryhard. I gave up on ranked to avoid tryhards, and today qp is ranked without ranked
I hate it. I play mostly in diamond lobbies, and my peak was masters, so I'm stuck on these ego ranks where every match results in their mother's soul being taken away
Dude I play in low diamond and I feel you. Karq was definitely wrong when he said this game is not for try hards. Just because other games are more sweaty doesnt make qp any less sweaty.
@@Docthunda
worst part is, I played ranked when ROLE QUEUE WASN'T a thing. I was a Zarya main on GOATs. even though my most played character is genji, my most played role is tank
I deleted my ranked account, and vowed to never play ranked again. The devs changed the community, and made qp SO FUCKING SWEATY it feels exactly like comp
I have 0 match placements, I'll never touch ranked again, yet these bitchless mf pop up in my games
I literally downgraded myself purposefully from my usual masters skill, and slowly fell to diamond/plat. not in ranked, but quickplay
it's still so damn tryhardy now
1:26 saying stats shouldn’t be a thing . Mean while we need a “Healing Received” new score board to it 💀
From my experience (lower ranks) Sombra on console is just a game of spawncamping and lack of communication. Team wont notice theres a sombra first fight so lets say the zen gets one clipped while hes paying attention to healing team, and as long as everyone else is alive, the sombras just sit at spawn and camp the supports.
Ive noticed that nobody seems to know what pings are because if i notice sombras translocate or i bump into her, i immediately go close to my team and ping that area with danger. Sometimes they get it, most of the time they dont and its difficult. She definitely feels like a team effort sometimes and i see sombras that target one player specifically and the whole team is scrambling to help but its too late lol.
Hi KarQ! Keep up the great work!! You're one of the best creators out there :)
Hot take: Since taking massive spikes of damage is such a concern when playing tank heroes, the next tank should remove that concern and play entirely in the skybox. Something like a glider, zepplin, or air balloon that moves around like doom ult and has low HP. Low damage primary fire that spotlights enemy positions, and CDs that insert the character onto the battlefield for a limited time. Ult could be some kind of orbital bombardment like Bastion but maybe in a fixed pattern.
Hot Take: This ‘No one likes tank’ mentality is so stupid. No one likes tank in overwatch 2 because all the pressure is on one person who has to do everything for the team. MOBAs typically have a tanky support and tanky bruiser. MMOs have a Tanks that help with boss mechanics. Those play styles, while not for everyone, are fun because you feel impactful. That feeling does not exist in Overwatch right now thanks to the one super tank who just gets beat up on.
Tanks in MOBA are usually cc dispenser though. And you know how OW players feel about cc. So OW tanks gotta make space with damage and shear amount of health.
I feel like if they can figure out how to make Tank survive without relying too much on supports, it will be fun again. Right now, you know you are screwed from the start, if your sups pick heroes that are not compatible with your tank.
Hot Take: This new patch is the absolute worst change for tanks. Tanks are so powerful now that their only job is to neutralise the other tank because if they don't a tank will run through a team. This ends up making it harder for tanks too because now who's team wins is dependant upon teammates because the only person who can duel a tank is a tank or a tank with no team.
It brings up the Yeatle point "There's 10 wrong decisions and only 1 right decision as tank"
Hot take: New maps are way more refreshing for the game than new heroes
Especially when they just nerf the hero into the ground so heroes like tracer and sojourn stay dominating 😂
Hot take: Brig is screwed over really hard with the mid-season patch. While tanks compensate for their armor being worse against burst with a headshot dmg reduction, Brig has a smaller HP pool and doesn't have this passive. Additionally, Rally also gets worse as despite an immediate maxed out 100 armor, it only regenerates at 15/s (while her teammates get 45 overhealth per second) so she's more vulnerable to burst in her strongest state. While also being far away from medium/long range burst hitscans and Pharah. In trying to make countering tanks harder, the changes completely nerf Brig specifically
Hot take: the mercy rework in s3 was a good change but came at the wrong time without the needed checks like the dps passive
OMEGA BASED
triage healing as a concept for mercy was really good, and probably the most fun iteration of mercy imo. the problem is that when they decided to double down on that idea, they didn’t tweak her numbers and they also took a sledgehammer to her ankles in literally the same patch. there’s not many cases where i use this word for blizzard, but that patch was legitimately stupid imo. they talk about how they want her to be a triage healer, and then nerf her movement to make her worse at being a triage healer. then they undo the changes but give her a net nerf to movement. i literally am still seething about that because i used to actually enjoy mercy before that, but oh well ig
Hot take: Suzu should only have invulnerability the exact moment it hits the ground or maybe a very very short amount of time. This way suzu isnt opressive at keeping people alive but it provides more skill expression for the kirikos
the thing about scoreboard is so real to me! I want to turn this off because Im addicted to click tab and watch stats and it impact my game and my attitude. tips what key is good to remove it?
Hot take: 5v5 wouldn’t feel as oppressive if there were more tanks in the game. There’s a limited roster and still there’s always going to be counter swapping, it may lessen the impact since there’s much more options to choose from
Casual overwatch ended with the first game, players at the highest level that still get rewarded won't see it that way though.
Hot Take: All the heroes from Ow1 shouldnt have made it to OW2. Some heroes' kit will never work in 5v5. Reworks would of to be do radical they probably wouldnt even be the same hero anymore.
Another Hot Take: current rankings for ALL accounts should be present for competitive. Like unhide that aspect for games you have with so I know what I’m working or dealing with. Should I support the lower rank, or pocket/help or listen to the higher?
Hottake: Why are you so much cooler than both emongg and flats? Is it because you're a support player?
Former apex guy here too. That guy is 100 percent right. Apex is such a breath of fresh air after playing apex for years.
Overwatch at least has a casual scene apex is nothing but sweats even in casual modes 😊
Here's a hot take: Suzu is balanced if she didn't have swift step. Kiri is already able to fight off flankers and get picks and save teammates with suzu. Being able to swiftstep then suzu the ground doesn't take much skill besides recognizing when to do so and getting yourself out.
Hot Take: Cass nade is a better sombra hack and not enough people complain about it. Idk if this is a fact but if fells like it locks you out longer than hack does. It slows you. Idk if you count it being in the air as cast time but I don’t so it has no cast time. Can not be interrupted (other than eat and deflect). If you have an enemy on your screen it’s hitting them no matter what. Also it does dmg
People complain about it a lot. But unlike sombra, the co.plaints come from both sides. For the person fighting cassidy, it deals a lot of damage and the hinder effect is super annoying. The tracking is inconsistent and feels too strong. But then from the cassidys pov, it CONSTANTLY ignores close targets but randomly attaches to people around corners. It very often doesnt stop characters like tracer or doom if they react and move out of the way. I personally see tracers blink away while its chasing them, so my anti mobility option was beaten by mobility, that feels terrible. Awful ability it needs to be changed.
@@Ascetronaut it feels like it either misses even though it directly goes through their face or it chases them for 100 years before sticking in the most BS way possible lol
Hack locks all abilities. Nade blocks movement abilities. If mccree nades me as a diva main, it's a slight inconvenience. If sombra hacks me, I'm without matrix and useless.
@@Antix but nade also lasts longer than hack and you can’t stop it as most heros you can shoot sombra out of hack or get out of Los but if the nade is thrown it’s almost impossible to not hit you and heros like tracer and venture get all their abilities taken and they have no way to stop it other than use every ability they have hoping it blows up before it touches them
Heres what i think as someone that spent two years hard grinding to solo diamond in apex as my first fps game ever, and then have been playing overwatch with friends for almost 2 years
Apex has by far the superior game mechanics and balance philosophy (every character has baseline value with individuality as a layer on top, so every character can kill every character)
Apex is simply more fun to play when it goes well
Overwatch has by far the superior devs/management and playerbase. The devs actually seem to care and take a variety of action to show us. Also most games in overwatch are nowhere near as punishing in terms of toxicity as apex is. You could get one toxic guy in apex who literally gets you killed intentionally in ranked and you cant leave or you get punished. In overwatch you stand a decent chance of winning or even getting sympathy from the other team if you have a bad apple
Hot take: Healing received should be stat on the scoreboard
hot take: Doomfists ultimate is a horribly designed ultimate, especially for a tank. you leave the team fight completely, afk for 4 seconds on top off enemy supports who know youre comming for them, and when you land, healed just 300 hp ( thats if waste all the time up there" to land, not kill them and get instantly crowd controlled, because you afk-d enought for enemy to get cooldowns back. additionally. doom ult only does. additionally, it only does 300 dmg, so you cant even kill a torbjorn.
I had someone scapegoating that their gameplay wasn't bad, and the scoreboard didn't portray the whole story... 007 stats btw.
cold take: abilities that are similar just look identical (sigma vortex and dva matrix) hot take: overwatch will never be a successful esport if its too confusing for spectators.
Hot take: ana's kit is too strong when it comes to denial. Sleep dart should be a slowing-hindering ability instead of old CC. Anti should not outright deny heal but apply the DPS passive to make splashing more important.
Not sure why you thought that first one was bait. Overwatch is not casual or my casual gamer friends would actually play it.
You just live in a bubble.
As a Console metal rank Zen: you can still see when Sombra is hacking you. If you can charge a volley and find her (it’s 50/50 if you can,) hit her and throw a kick in there, you can usually take her out. Still sucks fighting her though.
my take: I feel like a potential fix for flashpoint would be to just make the maps so the points are all adjacent to each other. Take away that long run back. If they want to make flashpoint about smaller faster fights, then let us get back to point faster. If a fight goes into overtime, the extended respawn timer will help decide that point. I think it'd feel less frustrating compared to its current state. Until then, I'd say make the timer even faster so i can get the fuck out of that mode asap
Warm take. Low skill/rng characters like moira, mercy, reaper, junk, orisa should NEVER be hard meta. Hard meta is (other than with tanks) generally only relevant in diamond and above, so low ranks can still play those heroes but to actually climb you should have to learn higher skill ceiling/lower skill floor characters
Every question is either a silver brainlett or some dude who has the coldest take in the world
Im someone who's basically new since I only played overwatch 1 briefly but came back in season 8 to play with my friend and I agree with that Apex player, this is one of the best free to plays out there, not even just counting fps.
I think a lot of the complaints simply come from the blizzard team overpromising and underdelivering when it came to PvE.
Nah the one about the placements is right. If you place in metal ranks good luck getting out. I made the mistake of doing placements after coming back from a two year break and was rusty. Now I’m stuck in a circle jerk of bronze where I win four lose three but I haven’t gone up in rank because my wins are “expected” or whatever the fk. It’s a real issue with this new rank system based upon percentage not wins. I went 4-3 last night and ended up with LESS rank than I started with.
For context before my break I was plat, now I’m stuck in Bronze 5/Silver 1 and cannot move for the life of me even if I go positive for the night. It’s crazy.
Hot take (probably):
Damage boosted as Mercy should be shown in scoreboard. It feels so upsetting to realize that your entire mechanic is just seen and aware of by only you and the teammate you are boosting just this exact moment.
Dunno how exactly it should be shown though. Doubt that it would be correct to show it as damage. Maybe, and this is another hot take, the devs should add a new stat called like "assistance score"? And it would track credits for every assistance instances for all characters. Maybe even as a rework for "Assists" part of scoreboard, 'cause that "Assists" number is just no way valid in comparison with actual assistance.
Zen just stay with your team. I switch off Sombra whenever teammates stick too close together. It ruins my fun.
Rare take: The lack of meaningful learning tools within the game is the reason there are such stark skill differences between the ranks.
All we have is a basic controls tutorial and a series of (average at best and totally meaningless at worst) Hero info screens. There needs to be so much more than that.
Hot take: 5-stacking in Gold is harder than solo queuing in diamond. I’m low masters/high diamond in all roles but I made a new account to play with my gold friends. It’s unbelievable how many gold/plat teams are able to coordinate a good Dive or Rush. I play flex support and most of the time I am fighting for my life 🤣. It’s much more stressful than solo queuing masters 5. Maybe there are just a lot of smurfs playing with their friends like me; regardless, I have learned not to sleep on these gold lobbies.
That vik theory take is a cold ass take. You know how many times karq has said that. Has he never watched one of these lol
Hot take: (don’t know if it is a hot take at all but)
Baps achievement is hard to get to begin with
He should have the stats of how much healing and how much damage he’s done through amp matrix when he is in the game, instead you have to guess how much for each which makes it harder, because for the achievement it is one life and it doesn’t count if it’s through rounds going from ilios well to lighthouse does a reset of the achievement i think it shouldn’t reset or just let us see the stats of it because it can help players play bap more and not for the achievement specifically
You say Overwatch is very casual and yet we have a very strict leaver policy for a very casual game.
Overwatch being mostly casual is a result of most people playing unranked qp. Me personally, im just trying to get in as many games as i can to burn through the battle pass. Having people leaving games may not seem like a big deal, but it absolutely results in losses for various reasons.
@@kielmessersmith1956 The problem with that thought process is that leaving and losses wouldn’t matter if the game was truly casual friendly. Truly casual games don’t really punish you for leaving and losing isn’t that big of a deal.
A casual game wouldn't have so many leavers they add a penalty system.
Personally, I say "if I was better we would've won" 100% seriously. You can watch people doing UR2GMs and completely destroying plat lobbies, and if they can play 20 games in a row without losing, then so could I if I was better.
This applies less to me now that I've reached masters (the higher you climb, the lower the skill gap you can have over other players), but I truly believe that 99.9% of games plat or below could have the opposite result just by one person in a team being better.
HOT TAKE: no hero in this game "needs a rework" and most of the time people just say that when what they WANT to say "delete [hero]." minor "reworks" like Ball and Pharah's are good, but no one right now is so unfixable that they need to completely gut the hero and pour time and resources into developing a completely new kit and force their mains to practically learn a new hero. some major reworks were even so bad that IMO they've created a hero that's even worse for the game's balance than the hero they replaced (specifically Orisa and Sombra's most recent rework)
The if you were better you would have won isn't saying you should carry every game. It's said at people who say their in bronze when they actually play diamond level and their teammates are the problem. If you were that much better than where you're place you should be carrying.
hot take: the DPS passive will never be both balanced and impactful because there are too many hero design limitations in every single role. self-heal tanks like Hog and Mauga, along with consistent single-target healers Mercy and Lifeweaver, will be extremely difficult to keep balanced since they are are constantly healing either themselves or others as part of their core design; make their numbers too low and the passive will just invalidate their healing, make the numbers too high and the healing becomes uncounterable if you aren't on DPS. damage heroes are then given an additional parameter to balance around, being how much they can reliably apply the passive, which heavily buffs hitscan and longer ranged heroes. the game is just simply not built around this sort of passive and the game's balance cannot sustain it.
I definitely prefer the passive at 15% rather than 20% 😂 especially when on tank or support.
@@ianchambers37 Yea and things dont die, this is why dps got the passive in the first place because ppl just healbot and the raid boss tanks really never died. Now all tanks for going to be like orisa. Im playing as much as I can before the patch to finish my bp then Im out. These devs have clueless af but so its most of the player base. I also play in low diamond as dps and support
@Docthunda fair enough. It's always been a struggle for blizzard to balance pretty much any of their games and classes, etc, in them. If you do leave, take care and hope your next game you invest time into is more suited to your liking and fun as well.
@@ianchambers37 Much appreciated, cheers mate
Apex player here, the biggest thing Overwatch does right is having a dedicated arcade section where you can squad up with 5 of your friends and just mess around
Also what other game allows you to jump into a random custom game or deathmatch while waiting in queue?
okay you say that but now a days the other team doesn't let me leave spawn :/
Oh Spider-Man be taking it all?
Hot Take: Mystery Heroes should come back to competitive and have actual rewards at the end of the season.
The closest way venture is a counter to ball is the fact they can burrow and dig to destroy his balls.
Edit: supports getting bothered by sombra, play closer to your team.. also just up your sensitivity in general on console
I dont know if this a hot take or not
I think you should be able to choose between resetting the rank and recalibrate or staying on your current rank in every start of the season
Some player think they're better than they actually are and that can give them some reality check
Hot take: Tracer should only have 2 blinks. 3 blinks and a recall is way too op for such a tiny hitbox hero, who effectively has 350hp
That’s why burst damage is so important for countering tracer. I think they just need to slightly increase the cool down of recall.
So fucking true about the fact that vet players or long time players will most of the time be the ones who criticize or have the strongest and most coherent and real takes on the game vs someone who’s new or hasn’t been around for longer then a year or 2 to actually have a based opinion on some of the topics. Not to say that players can’t be new/casual and never have the understanding and knowledge of long time players cause some people do pick up things fast and carry mechanics over from other games! I’m definitely a quick learner in all my games and transfer so many skills from other games so all it takes is using that skill and learning this new style of game and play style
31 seconds let’s go!!
Hot take? there are high mmr gold players and low mmr gold players. High mmr golds have little time to queue ranked but are good at the game. (Follow current trends and strategies/watch youtubers/follow steamers) Low mmr golds have plenty of time to queue, are newer to the game and have a smaller hero pool. Players at the center of the bell curve of skill rating will vary the most in talent of any rank.
“Ow is actually more casual” what???
Hot Take: I'm literally Cheese
Point #1 is exactly what I’ve been saying for a long time: Overwatch works best as a semi-casual game like Smash Bros.
The competitive scene should have been left to grow organically instead of trying to force an Esport that nobody took seriously.
I think if you took Overwatch’s engine and made it more of an arena shooter than a role-based team objective game you’d end up with a more popular, more fun game.
It's also why making QP comp-lite was a mistake.
One of the more casual games out there? The entirety of Elden Ring was easier than some of these inanely cracked players. But then again, you play alongside people I imagine the enemy deems actually worthy of attention, rather than focusing you first *and* unopposed by the rest of the team 99 percent of the time.
You mention that the scoreboard take was a hot take, bacause toxicity is one of the few bad things, but I ask: what are the positives of having a scoreboard??? There's none.
It is one. When you use it to see if enemies swap heroes. I saw it on ML7 stream and was shocked of this usage of scoreboard.
His team killed dps player, he watched scoreboard and saw dps changed hero for widow so he call out it for his team and they reacted.
But if you mean kills, dmg, stats at general there is none I agree, especially when it gives me feeling that everyone is reading scoreboard differend or cant read it at all. Every hero is different, I shouldnt compare zenyattas heal to lifeweaver or bastion dmg to sombras dmg etc.
I disagree with auto heal not being impactful when playing a flanker or high speed dps I’m able to hold spots for much longer without being worn down by spam and splash damage.
As a long time OW player who started playing War Thunder recently, we do have it pretty good by comparison
Hot take: They need to buff health packs. The healing values on health packs need to be increased to better reflect how valueable they were before the Season 9 health changes. Mini health packs went from healing just over 1/3rd of a 200HP character's health to a little above 1/4th of 250HP character's health making them less valueable overall. It also just feels back to seek out a health pack just to end up slightly less than max health making mini's rarely worth seeking out.
For some characters like sombra or tracer that could potentially make them even more op. 🤔
Hot take: clash will be the worst gamemode ever when it gets released, the fact that imma wait 20 mins Qs just for a 6 mins match is just not fun, they did this mistake with push with the 10 mins matches, and they are doing it again, i think that any gamemode that cant have a 15m match is just bad design. Fast matches should not exist in comp, only in quick play cause well, its supposed to be quick in there
Hot take: As a support player, I’m tired of kiriko. She’s so good sometimes it feels like I’m throwing if I don’t play her. I love playing Ana but there are quite a few situations where she doesn’t work. Kiriko fits almost every situation and is usually the best option as well. I don’t know if I want kiri to be nerfed or other supports to be buffed but I do know that I want other heroes to be good choices.
Hot Take: Cass's ultimate is actually decent, it depends on your positioning. The only ultimate that is hot garbage is doomfist
As a Plat5/Gold1 Zen Sombra is oppressive but not enough to force a switch off. Be vocal give callouts that she’s not engaged with the team and is creeping up on support.
Having a pre existing schizophrenia condition also helps to counter diving Sombra’s
@@stumbling_ I’m always shooting corners randomly because of her just cause 😂
HOT TAKE: Tank is a psychological problem, not a balance one. Now, don't get me wrong, there are obvious problems in designing a role like a tank, an MMORPG role archetype, into a game genre that is completely estranged from an FPS. But I have multiple hundred hours in both OW1 and, today, OW2, and Tank doesn't feel that bad to me. I think that when people say that playing tank feels bad, what they actually mean is that it feels bad IN COMPARISON to what they used to feel as a Tank in OW1 (when there were 2 tanks), aka, in OW1 tanks were more like beefy DPS, charging in for kills, meanwhile in OW2, with only one tank, you actually have to put your beefy peeler/crowd controller/guardian breaches on and actually protect and make space for the team, rather than charging in every time the button goes off cd. And that is the point for me; as a main tank player in MOBAS and the like, I like playing an actual tank-tank, an unbreakable wall that slowly pushes forward and protects his teammates, not looking for kills at every moment. People have a skewed perception of what a tank role is/should feel like, and should realize that protecting, setting up kills for others, and soaking dmg IS the tank experience and it shouldn't be different. If you want to deal dmg, get kills, and feel like the star of the show, play DPS. Tanks require more humble personalities.
I am not adressing off-tanks because the comment is already long enough and Kar won't use it in his next video XD
But bottom line is, there are 100% tanks that are more aggro, but those are off-tanks, and a whole other category. And by design, Rein (a tank-tank), shouldn't feel like Roadhog, Junker Queen, Ball, and so on (off-tanks), because they are two completely different archetypes, the only thing they have in common is a beefy HP bar. One protects his team with a big ass shield, the others legit rushes in with a knife and an axe, these are obviously characters meant to be played differently. But people will play Rein and complain that it can't play dive like a Junkerqueen, because "I just sit there with my shield up, I don't get kills" etc etc, well, my friend, it seems that you don't have a problem with Tank, you just have a problem with Rein. Which is a problem with a very simple solution, just don't play Rein. Becuase I, for one, like to prioritize using the SHIELD which is THE MAIN PART OF HIS KIT, not THE HAMMER (and Flatz can fight me on this), and make cover and space that way for my team, swinging only when I'm in range or I'm peeling from flankers and divers.
So yeah, I think people have different expectations when it comes to play a Tank, and at least from my point of view, some of these expectations are a bit misguided.
nice ToxicRushed, maybe even one of the best we got so far
Hot Take: Streamers and content creators doing these "Unranked to Top 500" challenges is not good for the game. If you are a Top 500 player of course you will eventually reach your rank. Smurfing is smurfing and doing it for some challenge does not justify it. Imagine just trying to play for fun and you have some Genji go 57-2 against you.
Hot take: Ana is now a high skill, low reward hero, and you will get better value playing almost any other support. The other supports don't need to hit every shot to help their team, they all have homing heals or AOE heals. Ana's utility comes from her abilities, but they were nerfed into the dirt in previous seasons, and half the time she has to use them on herself just to try and survive because she has no escape abilities. The only thing that keeps her from being useless is her ult, but otherwise playing her is hard mode for no reward.
Strong disagree. Antiheal will always be a high utility skill that, if used in the right moment, can nuke teams. there’s the fact that she has no damage fall off and can kill or heal from across the map if your positioning is good enough. Then there’s sleep, a good sleep can shut down almost all ultimates with ease or ruin any engage. Characters like Brig or Illari are having a much harder time thriving when their niche is effectively being reduced and hurt patch after patch.
Ana is the only hero that can instantly heal at any range. She’s the best pick for dive tanks who need to use a lot of mobility skill to move around in combat. Sometimes you need to use nade for other purpose, yes, but when you can land anti it’s almost guaranteed win for that fight.
@@Soft_Ghost Ana can be very easily dove on with no mobility or a way out. Her name is meh, discord and the healing passive are way better and negating healing and her healing isnt even best in class. You soundslike a bronze player thinking ana is top tier.
The enemy tries too hard! My allies don't try hard enough! (I'll be with you shortly to tell you how hard I want you to try, once I see which team you're on.)
I don’t know how to say it without sounding like I’m purposefully being rude I don’t mean to be it’s just an observation I’ve made many times.
High rank ow streamers are so disconnected from the player base and will give you top 500 advice for ranks where people don’t even know what the character they’re playing does.
The sombra one in particular really frustrated me because he’s giving advice about the situation in a way that no one who he’s speaking to is capable of making those choices in their ranks like calling for help or swapping to a better character because they don’t even know what character could be better.
He’s completely misconstruing what the commenter said which is that sombra is ruining METAL ranks for supports and more so on console and KarQ immediately started talking about it in pc gm or higher terms and not any meaningful advice for metal rank console players.
There’s more to the game than what you experience at the highest skill levels and not all players can just figure that out on their own but not giving the extremely beginner advice like explaining what a character does that’s affecting their gameplay down to just what their abilities are doing to you and picking a character that’s better suited for stopping that character from doing it to them by explaining what someone else’s abilities are doing to counter that.
I don’t expect anyone like flats or emongg or KarQ to be teachers but if you’re going to give out advice to players you need to understand ALL the ranks not just people in diamond or higher it’s a whole different game in metal ranks.
I genuinely believe these streamers and TH-camrs would have a lot better advice for low ranks if they made burner accounts that get super deranked and just observe bronze to plat and adjust their advice accordingly instead of giving unhelpful and vague advice to all players which 70% of the player base can’t even get value out of because that’s not how the game works where they’re at.
Again I’m sorry if I come off as rude this has been something I’ve seen for months now from the content creators and it’s frustrating seeing how ignorant and disconnected they are towards the entire community and not their tiny minority group that already understands that game and is just looking for ways to better shape their strengths and weaknesses in their gameplay.
its not just you. This is something I've said of all these streamers and content creators. Not even one is a ow pro, t500, gm player. There are ranks and people in there for a reason. If every one had the same skill level we'd all be in one rank.