As a WW main I can say the perception on Monk is low because we " LOST " our 100 to 0 Burst but we got ALOT of survivability and DPS out of CDs + we still do a SHIT TON of damage IN our CDs. The class feels strong in terms that we are VERY balanced and well designed but the real problem of WW is that we LACK a decent set-up CC LetSweep is too predictable and dogeable + Paralysis just doesn't persist because everyone and everything is doing random AOE damage, hope we got a Black Myth Paralysis alike state talent that makes Paralysis like a Cyclone/Prision from DH CC alike so we can setup kill more often.
@@Endless10ppp i thought about it, but I was positive they were going to get nerfed. I'm actually shocked they let frostt mage get to release in this state. The CC alone is just obnoxious. Literally nobody thinks that is balanced. Then if you actually manage to get to them, they have like 3-4 ways to immune your go.
Disagree about affliction needing a nerf. They are easy to shutdown unlike a mage. Sit a fury warrior / rogue / dk on them and they have a very hard time doing much of anything except trying to survive.
That's crazy to say that with current damage capacities of an Affli lock. It's not even just a solo shuffle problem at this point. BOTH Frost mage and Affli needs tuning. And I say that, while I also enjoy and love Affli.. DO you think it's okay for Shadow bolt to deal as much damage as a Chaos bolt, INSTANT ? The example is good.. But I could say the same, try to survive as fury / rogue / dk versus a full caster lobby ( frost mage, dev and Affli lock for the example ). Hybrid lobbies are probably the most fun for any spec/class in general, but every spec has bad matchups/lobbies. BUT, I respect your opinion, I just think it's not the reality and I can smell an affli nerf from afar.
Compare that to demo, where you have to hard cast 4 abilities to do any damage at all. Affly you simply throw instant dots on everyone and spam nightfall procs. 100x times easier than demo.
@@utlord part of the problem is, if your main damage comes from HAVING to hard cast in pvp, you'll never be stronger than melee and you might as well just play frost mage. Affliction is actually in a good spot for a change and when they nerf it, it'll be trash like the rest of the warlock specs are for pvp.
Hey tho it's me from the guild Kaido, I mai devastation and I agree it's busted, I actually can't get into ques as there are a lot of FOTM rerollers so I've had to play aug just so I can get some games
@@ThoGrey it's just as busted as devastation at higher mmr I'm already 2k on both facing rank 1s back to back. Early season push is not for the faint hearted.
I agree with you on the most part, except maybe MM hunter felt way stronger to me when I faced them but I was on my DH and yeah DH ain't great in SS. Feels like you deal half the damage of all the dks, wars and i dont even wanna talk about devoker. I might try WW.
Spriest is very situational, especially if your getting trained, and having 1 school of magic, some games with the amount of cc and Interrupts, and the lack of dispell protection , you do 0 dmg, it's all hardcasted and telegraphed, it's probably the most telegraphed burst in the game, especially since all the cds that matter make u fly in the air and cast, If your in a lobby that just ignores kicks on the healer and spams kicks on you , it's gg and u do nothing
@Mtgproxycanadamtgproxycanada we sitting here having to hard cast eruption and halo and mind flay insanity, we have 0 hard hitting instant casts, if u are in a lobby with melee, or with classes with alot of dispells or short kicks ur fucked
I don't know.. It's tough because the reality is, some people struggle on Spriest alot but the contrary exists aswell. We just need to take a look on the ladder to see how represented it is, and I wouldn't say Spriests are as popular than some of the other specs on the ladder too.
Man, this is my experience. IN SS on my Spriest, I'll go from one match where I'm getting whispers of praise and requests to add them and play together, to a match where I go 1-5 and can't cast anything. I was shocked at how many times yesterday all 3 opponents would use all their kicks and CC on me almost exclusively. And I was even more shocked out how my healer couldn't keep me up or how my teammate couldn't peel them off of me considering the size of the train on me! I got hard stuck at like 1400 because of MMR despite being in 2.3K MMR matches on all my toons that I'm WORSE at lol.
I would love a talent that makes void form just work like a normal dps cd. after spending so much time playing elemental and frostM it just feels so bad to play spriest
SS as healer is unplayable. I got 1800 on all healers in s2, s3,s4 and 2100 on resto druid and shaman in s4. Last expack. Right now im playing as druid. Stuck at 1300, did 10 hours yesterday and 10 hours today. Most rounds end without even starting. Like team mates die through all my hots and defensives. Heals barely do anything, i dont even have time to cast cc. Like healers dont even want to play now. I tried going dos, queues 20-30 minutes. Again due to lack of healers
@@ThoGrey Je viens de découvrir la chaine il y a peu. Avec l'accent, je me doutais que tu n'étais pas un natif américain mais je ne pensais pas non plus que tu étais français :)
trying doing dmg with dk,fury warrior sitting you.rapid fire? nah storm bolt aimed shot?until you cast it other people pressed 3 globals already.slow them?nah 2 charges leap.mount in combat immune to cc(how is this actually in game).MM is only good vs 2 caster.and still mage,devo and lock do more burst than you.
Still have holy as second school. Used as bait. Against double melee might think about trying to get more damage reduction. Can shadow get to left side of class tree?
@@ThoGreywell, because I haven’t seen an enhancement shaman do it yet… yes. I do think it does. You must be the best enhancement shaman in the game because i just don’t think it’s possible lol. No offense. Just off my week of solos….
@@nathanhoward1462 I mean, I'm not the best. But my statement kinda is to tell that any spec can go 6/0, it doesn't make it the strongest. I did a 6/0 today on my livestream, but I wouldn't say that Enhance is stronger because it is capable to do so ! I do think Arcane is very tanky tho and can bait people to tunnel on them.
@@ThoGrey I don’t think arcane is the strongest I just think they rate higher. Somewhere around shadow priest considering they both have pitfalls but have potential for massive success
Sentinel is actually good too, the root is awesome, the damaage is good, the shield you get is good, and when someone drops in hp you automatically do a burst
Unpopular opinion, but I don’t think frost mage or fury warrior is that good. I main a WW, and those two don’t particularly stand out as giving me a lot of trouble.
Ouf, that's really an unpopular opinion. BUT, I always talk about perspective in my videos. If you play WW, maybe those 2 classes don't pose you problem and more power to you ! I think if you play a fury warrior, and you are vs a Frost mage, you'll feel the problem :p
shadow A+ hahahhaa bro ok funny you know meeles exist and eaven shadow gets ignored its midocer BM is better then D tier if you can tunnel cloth targets otherwise nice video keep it up dude
man feral is b tier at best nobody plays it in SS it gets dominated by all meta specs - every lobby has evoker so your opener gets negated, defensives are too weak (probably due to SS dampening) you can rarely survive to 2nd incarn. There is no such thing in WoW as spec being very strong and nobody playing because its not popular - everyone meta rerolls to OP specs. Monk is least played class in the game by far - look at WW representation. Same is with moonkin btw - survival also blows you get trained to the ground Also druid of the claw is worthless after 50% nerf to 2 talents buffing ravage/ferocious bite. In 3v3 its A tier for sure as dampening is lower
It is lol. Are you arguing Assassination is not strong? Common man, you know some specs just get less popular not matter what. You won't see enhancement shamans in the most played specs, NO MATTER WHAT. WW representation just means exactly what I mean in the video. A spec that isnt' popular, but do very well becuase the prorata popularity / ladder rep is big. You know all these things are things I discussed in the video too, A fury warrior being top of the ladder rep wise is not as impressive as WW being in the top 3 ( while having less players playing that spec) same kinda goes for Ferals. At the end, It will depend on lobbies. Obviously, dev evokers and other shenanigans are going to ruin your day, but that goes for alot of specs. We can't judge a spec for facing terrible matchups especially when it's shared by that many specs too ! BUT, it's your opinion, I can respect that, but compare the specs from B tier to feral druids, It would be unfitting IMO
Monk has always been one of the least played classes, not because it's not good, but just because that's how it's always been. Less players doesn't mean the class isn't beastly.
@@ThoGrey i dont know how many matches of SS you have played this exp i have total of 150 rounds - its hard for me even to say what i think about other specs in B tier comparing to feral because i simply havent seen them; at start most of the lobbies were frost fury aff, now i start seeing dk, dev, ww. I havent seen a single arms war, ele shaman or tbh any other dps spec in B tier or below except for arcane mage. Regarding representation - i wouldnt agree fully. Lets say ele shaman - nobody plays it now as there are 5 better casters, but in times when it was OP in SL it was #1 played caster. PvP has specific player base where ppl reroll to meta specs w/o thinking too much. Ofc i agree that there are more popular specs baseline, but if you think about their popularity its mostly tied to being in the meta often + being easy to execute the win condition. Its safe to say that in 3v3 tournament rogue may dominate and its easily S+ tier but only in the hands of top players - if you look at representation its nothing special. Appreciate your content and replies to all comments - keep it up!
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As a WW main I can say the perception on Monk is low because we " LOST " our 100 to 0 Burst but we got ALOT of survivability and DPS out of CDs + we still do a SHIT TON of damage IN our CDs. The class feels strong in terms that we are VERY balanced and well designed but the real problem of WW is that we LACK a decent set-up CC LetSweep is too predictable and dogeable + Paralysis just doesn't persist because everyone and everything is doing random AOE damage, hope we got a Black Myth Paralysis alike state talent that makes Paralysis like a Cyclone/Prision from DH CC alike so we can setup kill more often.
Alot of specs did lose a big 100 - 0 burst tho, Outliers will likely get nerfed quickly tbf. I think WW is really great atm. :) Enjoy your spec!
Diamond ice, hunter pvp talent type utility, might be the ticket
Big nerf in newest patch though for no reason
Still waiting for a lobby withou a frost mage or a fury warrior.
Truuuueeee
100%
If you cant beat them, join them. Have one rdy to roll in your warband :D
@@Endless10ppp i thought about it, but I was positive they were going to get nerfed. I'm actually shocked they let frostt mage get to release in this state. The CC alone is just obnoxious. Literally nobody thinks that is balanced. Then if you actually manage to get to them, they have like 3-4 ways to immune your go.
@@ilrichard have you seen devo?!
Disagree about affliction needing a nerf. They are easy to shutdown unlike a mage. Sit a fury warrior / rogue / dk on them and they have a very hard time doing much of anything except trying to survive.
That's crazy to say that with current damage capacities of an Affli lock. It's not even just a solo shuffle problem at this point. BOTH Frost mage and Affli needs tuning. And I say that, while I also enjoy and love Affli.. DO you think it's okay for Shadow bolt to deal as much damage as a Chaos bolt, INSTANT ?
The example is good.. But I could say the same, try to survive as fury / rogue / dk versus a full caster lobby ( frost mage, dev and Affli lock for the example ). Hybrid lobbies are probably the most fun for any spec/class in general, but every spec has bad matchups/lobbies.
BUT, I respect your opinion, I just think it's not the reality and I can smell an affli nerf from afar.
Hope not. Finding affliction difficult in bgs, blitz in particular. Gear may resolve the issues but it’s not my main.
Compare that to demo, where you have to hard cast 4 abilities to do any damage at all. Affly you simply throw instant dots on everyone and spam nightfall procs. 100x times easier than demo.
@@nickdeagle3271if you don’t have gear anything will be difficult ….
@@utlord part of the problem is, if your main damage comes from HAVING to hard cast in pvp, you'll never be stronger than melee and you might as well just play frost mage. Affliction is actually in a good spot for a change and when they nerf it, it'll be trash like the rest of the warlock specs are for pvp.
Hey tho it's me from the guild Kaido, I mai devastation and I agree it's busted, I actually can't get into ques as there are a lot of FOTM rerollers so I've had to play aug just so I can get some games
Oh hello mate! How are you doing? Yeah Aug is also cool mate, I think it's tough to understand the real power of it tho ( from the outside)
@@ThoGrey it's just as busted as devastation at higher mmr I'm already 2k on both facing rank 1s back to back. Early season push is not for the faint hearted.
@@Anonymoussss0207 How is the damage currently? Like I still have that ''image'' of Augmentation evoker doing little damage in DF.
@@ThoGreythe dmg is good, but dev is way better
Good fire Mage good BM and good Holy Priest still good, Evokers GOD with afli.
Thanks for the video!
I agree with you on the most part, except maybe MM hunter felt way stronger to me when I faced them but I was on my DH and yeah DH ain't great in SS.
Feels like you deal half the damage of all the dks, wars and i dont even wanna talk about devoker.
I might try WW.
Yeah I can agree with that. I think it's always about perspective.
Now I have Tho and BeastyQT clapping at the start of videos
I do it as an hommage to the one and only Beasty. Such a legend, reason why I play AOE4 tbh
Holy priest red headed step child for 2 expansions now
tbh it was always sorta like that in pvp for the two specs, 9.3 tier sets made holy priests probably the strongest they've ever been
Spriest is very situational, especially if your getting trained, and having 1 school of magic, some games with the amount of cc and Interrupts, and the lack of dispell protection , you do 0 dmg, it's all hardcasted and telegraphed, it's probably the most telegraphed burst in the game, especially since all the cds that matter make u fly in the air and cast,
If your in a lobby that just ignores kicks on the healer and spams kicks on you , it's gg and u do nothing
Couldn't agree more, shadow Is so bad, I had a lobby with 2 fury warr and 1 ret 0-6
@Mtgproxycanadamtgproxycanada we sitting here having to hard cast eruption and halo and mind flay insanity, we have 0 hard hitting instant casts, if u are in a lobby with melee, or with classes with alot of dispells or short kicks ur fucked
I don't know.. It's tough because the reality is, some people struggle on Spriest alot but the contrary exists aswell. We just need to take a look on the ladder to see how represented it is, and I wouldn't say Spriests are as popular than some of the other specs on the ladder too.
Man, this is my experience. IN SS on my Spriest, I'll go from one match where I'm getting whispers of praise and requests to add them and play together, to a match where I go 1-5 and can't cast anything. I was shocked at how many times yesterday all 3 opponents would use all their kicks and CC on me almost exclusively. And I was even more shocked out how my healer couldn't keep me up or how my teammate couldn't peel them off of me considering the size of the train on me! I got hard stuck at like 1400 because of MMR despite being in 2.3K MMR matches on all my toons that I'm WORSE at lol.
I would love a talent that makes void form just work like a normal dps cd. after spending so much time playing elemental and frostM it just feels so bad to play spriest
Honestly if I hear throughput one more time when it comes to talking about the offensive capabilities of a class I’ll vomit😢
hahaha
SS as healer is unplayable. I got 1800 on all healers in s2, s3,s4 and 2100 on resto druid and shaman in s4. Last expack. Right now im playing as druid. Stuck at 1300, did 10 hours yesterday and 10 hours today. Most rounds end without even starting. Like team mates die through all my hots and defensives. Heals barely do anything, i dont even have time to cast cc. Like healers dont even want to play now. I tried going dos, queues 20-30 minutes. Again due to lack of healers
I was so confused, a french person with very little accent and great english? Then i saw you are Belgian, so ofc 🤣
Hahha yeah, I'm mister International hahahah. Trying my best to make me understandable :)
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@@ThoGrey Je viens de découvrir la chaine il y a peu. Avec l'accent, je me doutais que tu n'étais pas un natif américain mais je ne pensais pas non plus que tu étais français :)
@@patatemodelee Hahah ouei c'est beaucoup d'entrainement et utilisation de l'anglais au quotidien qui a fait que j'ai su apprendre l'anglais :p
MM hunter is pure cancer right now, dominating, frost mage / lock too
Atleast MM keeps those casters in-check tho. I think the meta is ''fine'', we just need some tuning on the top end and lower end.
@@ThoGrey yeah good point
trying doing dmg with dk,fury warrior sitting you.rapid fire? nah storm bolt aimed shot?until you cast it other people pressed 3 globals already.slow them?nah 2 charges leap.mount in combat immune to cc(how is this actually in game).MM is only good vs 2 caster.and still mage,devo and lock do more burst than you.
Still have holy as second school. Used as bait. Against double melee might think about trying to get more damage reduction. Can shadow get to left side of class tree?
you could.. I think you do sacrifice alot of the neat things on the right side if you do no?
good stuff
Ele shaman hurts 😢
Devastation is still very squish
Then all classes are tbf.
Dev is very tanky you mean, 40% dmg reduction for 24 secounds
I’m 1800 plus and I’ve seen arcane mages 6-0 the lobby so I’m not sure if the arcane placement is right….
I mean, I 6-0'd lobbies as enhance, does it make it better?
But, Arcane mages, a specialist, will always make it seem it's great in solo shuffle when it's actually not that great by 99% of the pop.
@@ThoGreywell, because I haven’t seen an enhancement shaman do it yet… yes. I do think it does. You must be the best enhancement shaman in the game because i just don’t think it’s possible lol. No offense. Just off my week of solos….
@@nathanhoward1462 I mean, I'm not the best. But my statement kinda is to tell that any spec can go 6/0, it doesn't make it the strongest.
I did a 6/0 today on my livestream, but I wouldn't say that Enhance is stronger because it is capable to do so !
I do think Arcane is very tanky tho and can bait people to tunnel on them.
@@ThoGrey I don’t think arcane is the strongest I just think they rate higher. Somewhere around shadow priest considering they both have pitfalls but have potential for massive success
Yooooo ty
With pleasure
MM hunter should not be playing sent!
Sentinel is actually good too, the root is awesome, the damaage is good, the shield you get is good, and when someone drops in hp you automatically do a burst
you can re make it now with the new buffs and nerfs.
Next week probably an updated one. Would not mind making it a weekly thing tbf.
Unpopular opinion, but I don’t think frost mage or fury warrior is that good. I main a WW, and those two don’t particularly stand out as giving me a lot of trouble.
Ouf, that's really an unpopular opinion. BUT, I always talk about perspective in my videos. If you play WW, maybe those 2 classes don't pose you problem and more power to you ! I think if you play a fury warrior, and you are vs a Frost mage, you'll feel the problem :p
shadow A+ hahahhaa bro ok funny you know meeles exist and eaven shadow gets ignored its midocer
BM is better then D tier if you can tunnel cloth targets
otherwise nice video keep it up dude
man feral is b tier at best nobody plays it in SS it gets dominated by all meta specs - every lobby has evoker so your opener gets negated, defensives are too weak (probably due to SS dampening) you can rarely survive to 2nd incarn. There is no such thing in WoW as spec being very strong and nobody playing because its not popular - everyone meta rerolls to OP specs. Monk is least played class in the game by far - look at WW representation.
Same is with moonkin btw - survival also blows you get trained to the ground
Also druid of the claw is worthless after 50% nerf to 2 talents buffing ravage/ferocious bite. In 3v3 its A tier for sure as dampening is lower
It is lol. Are you arguing Assassination is not strong? Common man, you know some specs just get less popular not matter what. You won't see enhancement shamans in the most played specs, NO MATTER WHAT.
WW representation just means exactly what I mean in the video. A spec that isnt' popular, but do very well becuase the prorata popularity / ladder rep is big.
You know all these things are things I discussed in the video too, A fury warrior being top of the ladder rep wise is not as impressive as WW being in the top 3 ( while having less players playing that spec) same kinda goes for Ferals.
At the end, It will depend on lobbies. Obviously, dev evokers and other shenanigans are going to ruin your day, but that goes for alot of specs. We can't judge a spec for facing terrible matchups especially when it's shared by that many specs too !
BUT, it's your opinion, I can respect that, but compare the specs from B tier to feral druids, It would be unfitting IMO
Monk has always been one of the least played classes, not because it's not good, but just because that's how it's always been. Less players doesn't mean the class isn't beastly.
@@ThoGrey i dont know how many matches of SS you have played this exp i have total of 150 rounds - its hard for me even to say what i think about other specs in B tier comparing to feral because i simply havent seen them; at start most of the lobbies were frost fury aff, now i start seeing dk, dev, ww. I havent seen a single arms war, ele shaman or tbh any other dps spec in B tier or below except for arcane mage. Regarding representation - i wouldnt agree fully. Lets say ele shaman - nobody plays it now as there are 5 better casters, but in times when it was OP in SL it was #1 played caster. PvP has specific player base where ppl reroll to meta specs w/o thinking too much. Ofc i agree that there are more popular specs baseline, but if you think about their popularity its mostly tied to being in the meta often + being easy to execute the win condition. Its safe to say that in 3v3 tournament rogue may dominate and its easily S+ tier but only in the hands of top players - if you look at representation its nothing special. Appreciate your content and replies to all comments - keep it up!
Man, im main feral and, you got deleted versus 2 melees, and you are very squishy.
Youre max duellists maybe shuffle elite i would guess
Legend. but ok.
@@ThoGrey Elite Legend is same
@@UKFISGODLIKE Yeah and what's up with that? Is that all you care to say?
Very bad. Stop talking about nerfing ww monk
Ouf. I guess It's better to keep your spec S tier ! True. My bad.
^ misses everything gang.
Ba brother fuck this lame ass game how beast master is the worst pvp class
Don't worry, it will get buffed.
@@ThoGrey you was rigth man It was because of people like you voicing this issues thank u man