What I would really like to see is the opposite game, how Stockfisch drew the same opening against lila, like a quick highlighting of the different choices the engines did
Then how does stockfish lose sometimes? It even lost with white once against LC0, because it made a long term mistake over some tens of moves. Chess isn't solved, nothing plays every best move all the time.
Could you maybe compare how the engines play each game in a pair? I feel it could be really interesting to compare see how their approaches differ in the same opening, and how that results in different outcomes
For the record, Leela essentially is AlphaZero. It uses the same network architecture (with some minor optimizations), the same tree search algorithm, and the same training methodology. So unless AlphaZero saw some significant changes the two bots would be identical strength. Likely Leela would be a touch stronger, as it has been trained more.
@@afuzzycreature8387 Stockfish is the best engine by far. It uses a super clever input structure that was adopted from Shogi networks. The network takes a fraction of the input required for Leela and uses a more expansive (if less efficient) tree search algorithm. This means it calculates significantly more positions than Leela at any given depth when given the same amount of time.
False, while Leela is a modern more powerful engine. They’ve got nothing in common, not the same at all. In a way Leela is closer to SF than it is to Alpha zero.
I started to see a pattern in some of the moves we, as humans, dont find natural: If the opponent takes a piece, the bot evaluates whether there is a threat or if that piece can get away. If both of these dont apply the bot finds it more helping to develop first instead of retaking immediately
people (especially those of us below 1000 elo) will ALWAYS take back. It's just human nature. Even if you can calculate out 3-4-5 moves, taking back almost always makes sense, unless you can see it creates an immediate (next move) threat, taking back is just something people do. Being down material makes us nervous.
I dont care who is going to win, I love your recaps of these computer vs. computer games, but (as they play pairs) I would like to see on which move they disagree and what deviation was played in the other game.. thanks for your insights and for making clear what exactly is the starting position they were given :) For the second edition of your book, I suggest you state clearly that one cannot castle when in check - the explanation on page 8 (english version) is not perfect in this regard (either you or I missed that there) - rest of the book is great, would buy again :)
Would be interesting to see the evaluation from each side (not just the browser stockfish) But I would totally understand if that would be too much work ;) And I would also be interested in Leela's wins and I think it would be good to mention if the opening was won by both or only one engine.
19:25 i like your pov regarding how stockfish is playing. Stockfish slowly maneuvers its pieces, finds a good spot, protects it, and then puts its attacking piece over there. Also, stockfish loves knight more than bishop or what????
Levy is a genius. At this rate eventually people will study enough of those games to play at this level. Levy perfoming analysis on all of these stockfish games is proof of him future proofing his channel. Hes in this for the long run and first person in history to make a full course for students in the future who are playing at 3600. Hes a genius!
The incredible Queen on B1 move reminds of something my coach once told me: the best way to play your queen us to put them in a secure place where she can be very active at the same time 👏👏👏
Chess is fucking crazy. I mean if you start you learn all the important things like develop your pieces, push pawns, not too many queen moves in the early game, no knights at the edges of the board etc. and this can get you to 2000+ elo if you are good and train very well. And then comes Stockfish and it is like: You know the rules, so I do, so I ignore the rules most of the time. Fuck those rules. Stockfish moves knight to the edge, does a lot of queen moves in early game, .... and finally wins the game
21:08 The more I learn, the more insane engine play appears. Can we just appreciate the stuff that was just hanging? Black gives up a pawn for maybe an attack. White's f pawn is hanging for a bunch of turns. The white bishop is just hanging out on the edge of the board. Black's got 2 pieces attacking white's knight, but can't afford to take it because of losing the bishop (and probably a mate I'm not seeing). Even from a GM level, these moves would be so stupid to play, but the engines see the other player can't punish them. I think even our ability to analyze these games is borderline obsolete.
Props to stockfish for always giving advantage to his own moves
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@@Dylangriff57 where tf have you been? you just got here 3 months ago.
Stockfish never fails to feature gotham in its video
video never fails stockfish to feature gotham
@@mo-fo feature never gothams to stockfish video
@@MarekMango wtf💀
Gotham feature stock and never fails to fish
Feature gothamfish stock fails video to
The fact 3600s get violently checkmate reminds me of how deep this game really is.
We are not even 1% of chess
Remember this, when commentators call computer moves perfect all the time..
what about the fact that there are more possibilities in chess than there are atoms in the universe
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What I would really like to see is the opposite game, how Stockfisch drew the same opening against lila, like a quick highlighting of the different choices the engines did
Can't believe they named a city after the London System
17:07 'D5, best move' of course its the best move its stockfish playing
Then how does stockfish lose sometimes? It even lost with white once against LC0, because it made a long term mistake over some tens of moves. Chess isn't solved, nothing plays every best move all the time.
Could you maybe compare how the engines play each game in a pair? I feel it could be really interesting to compare see how their approaches differ in the same opening, and how that results in different outcomes
yes please
11:51 that move feels cozy, like king and queen secretly making out during a war
Levy never fails to make true titles
Edit : BRO CHANGED THE TITLE ASDKFDIWKEK
LOL
Levy never fails to fail at stuff
Pin of shame
The fish name is Levy
LOL!!!
Stockfish never fails to analyze a chess game
Yeah totally 😂
Funniest one😂
Not funny the "never fails" comments are so old and not funny
Are these bots Indian or something? 0 awareness
For the record, Leela essentially is AlphaZero. It uses the same network architecture (with some minor optimizations), the same tree search algorithm, and the same training methodology. So unless AlphaZero saw some significant changes the two bots would be identical strength. Likely Leela would be a touch stronger, as it has been trained more.
Except stockfish keeps coming out stronger
@@afuzzycreature8387 Stockfish is the best engine by far. It uses a super clever input structure that was adopted from Shogi networks. The network takes a fraction of the input required for Leela and uses a more expansive (if less efficient) tree search algorithm. This means it calculates significantly more positions than Leela at any given depth when given the same amount of time.
Alphazero is outdate, Leela is alphazero update version.
False
False, while Leela is a modern more powerful engine. They’ve got nothing in common, not the same at all.
In a way Leela is closer to SF than it is to Alpha zero.
14:20 i love how you're basically like "yo shoutout to THAT KNIGHT!"
"which is about 3,400 points higher than you are" - HOW DID HE KNOW!?!?
It's so funny watching mobile Stockfish trying to analyze full power Stockfish
Levi never fails to include stockfish in his videos
Levy
He's Levi from attack on titan, or the italian writer Primo Levi, but he is not Levy from gothamchess
Levi's
My face when Levy says Stockfish played a very high level game: 🗿
Levy should be glad that stockfish and magnus are still playing chess
19:00 *Looses everything except the king* "ye but i got my pawn back"
I started to see a pattern in some of the moves we, as humans, dont find natural: If the opponent takes a piece, the bot evaluates whether there is a threat or if that piece can get away. If both of these dont apply the bot finds it more helping to develop first instead of retaking immediately
people (especially those of us below 1000 elo) will ALWAYS take back. It's just human nature. Even if you can calculate out 3-4-5 moves, taking back almost always makes sense, unless you can see it creates an immediate (next move) threat, taking back is just something people do. Being down material makes us nervous.
No one out stocks the Fish.
I dont care who is going to win, I love your recaps of these computer vs. computer games, but (as they play pairs) I would like to see on which move they disagree and what deviation was played in the other game.. thanks for your insights and for making clear what exactly is the starting position they were given :)
For the second edition of your book, I suggest you state clearly that one cannot castle when in check - the explanation on page 8 (english version) is not perfect in this regard (either you or I missed that there) - rest of the book is great, would buy again :)
Levi and Hikaru shud collab to try and beat Stockfish
When coming to london and coming from london is too different things.
in london???
@@parsphere6357 AYEBDEYU-HEY!
"STOCKFISH REIGNS SUPREME... Unless they bring back Alphazero. They haven't, but they might".
-Levy 2023. 😂
Stockfish recaps are my favourite content of yours
Guess the Elo on top
18:56 Me tell myself when I down 300 points of material
When stockfish blunders it's rook you know it's over
at 14:40 the term you're looking for is horsing around
please show games where Leela beats Stockfish ! BTW your videos are great! :D
if you combine magnus and a beginner… you get DRUNK MAGNUS
Whoever started this levy never fails to thing is a dangerous person
Levy is the only guy that I know of that puts periods in his titles
Levy never fails to make us fail our careers by watching his vids.
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12:24 nice duck imitation
Levy never fails to put his stockfish inside me
Stockfish isnt looking for the best move, he is looking for the worst moves so he doesnt play them.
good to see that Stockfish still reigns supreme!
When the video says 10,000 but then you click on it and it says 3,600 🧐
Levi never fails to make us Stock his Fish
damn
Levy never fails to stock up on fishes
Slowly Methodically levy is loosing his hair
Levi that is quite generous saying stockfish is only 3400 elo points higher than me.
Levies comment section never fails to comment on how he never fails.
i defenitely want to see leela beating stockfish as a follow up video.
14:35
Levy: What are you doing?
Knight: Me?! *chuckles* Nothing, just hanging around....
I'd like to see how leela did as well. Really fascinating ideas coming out of engines these days :)
Scrolled the comment section for like 1min, this is the first comment without "Levy never fails to ____"
Thanks 🙏
I think they were basically tied in classical in CCC.
stockfish does NOT know u lil bro 😭😭🙏
Would be interesting to see the evaluation from each side (not just the browser stockfish)
But I would totally understand if that would be too much work ;)
And I would also be interested in Leela's wins and I think it would be good to mention if the opening was won by both or only one engine.
Can we just appreciate levy for not considering Lc0's games with the white pieces , it is a foible in itself
It is inhuman to sacrifice a piece so early in the middlegame for some perceived advantage in the endgame.
they Are engines...
Rashid Nezhmetdinov was certainly human.
If you combine Magnus and a beginner you don't get an engine, you get Magnus.
Levy never fails. You're awesome, man, thank you for all the effort you put into your content!
-Levy, what does the scouter say about it's ELO?
-It's (over) 10000!!
This Mr. Stockfish guy is really good! Impressive that a person can destroy a bot like that!
19:25 i like your pov regarding how stockfish is playing. Stockfish slowly maneuvers its pieces, finds a good spot, protects it, and then puts its attacking piece over there. Also, stockfish loves knight more than bishop or what????
Levy is a genius. At this rate eventually people will study enough of those games to play at this level. Levy perfoming analysis on all of these stockfish games is proof of him future proofing his channel. Hes in this for the long run and first person in history to make a full course for students in the future who are playing at 3600. Hes a genius!
27:20 "there's no way for the rooks to escape the KNIGHTmare........ No pun intended"
Even if it wasn't intentional it was still funny.
Levy never fails to shove a fish into us
😳 what
i'm stocked
0:47
Damn bro, you had me scared for a second. Thought you lost it.
Levi never fails to include chess in his content
He actually did fail to do it one time when he made a short discussing why Tennis referees sound hungover.
Wow Levy, I didn't know we were playing guess the elo minute 1:47.
Love your vids!
Levi never fails to poo on kids
Stockfish GG
If browser stockfish was as good as the stockfish in these games, it wouldn't label so many of my moves as bad.
Levi Roseman never fails to make a chess video
ok and? Was that supposed to be funny? Wanted to get 100000 likes?
So you are telling me that me and Magnus together can defeat Stockfish?
Levi never fails to make us laugh
his laugh never fails to make me levy
Levy never fails to speak for himself.
Levy never fails to make gothamchess proud
Bro changed the title from 10,000 to 5,000 💀
Levy never fails to open my cheeks wide and fill it with happiness 😊
@davidgauthier6834Including you
(De)Based.
what?…
I am confused by this comment section
The "never fails" meme must die.
the comment section never fails to comment on how he never fail....
Levy never fails to play chess
The incredible Queen on B1 move reminds of something my coach once told me: the best way to play your queen us to put them in a secure place where she can be very active at the same time 👏👏👏
"Stockfish is rated 3673 which is about 3400 points higher than you are" is hilarious, he is so effortlessly funny
Sure, I play Qb1 and I’m a bozo, but 3600 Stockfish does it and it’s a revolutionary move
GothamChess never fails to make videos. Great job, GothamChess. Keep on making videos, GothamChess.
learned the new word today "flabbergasted".
levy is a flabbergasting commentator!
He never fails to entertain us
Chess is fucking crazy. I mean if you start you learn all the important things like develop your pieces, push pawns, not too many queen moves in the early game, no knights at the edges of the board etc. and this can get you to 2000+ elo if you are good and train very well.
And then comes Stockfish and it is like: You know the rules, so I do, so I ignore the rules most of the time. Fuck those rules.
Stockfish moves knight to the edge, does a lot of queen moves in early game, .... and finally wins the game
Levy never fails to fail
You Know It’s A Good Day When Levy Upgrades,And You Know It’s A Good Day When He Clickbaits Us,If He Didn’t,The World Would End.
Day 94 asking for rook b1 song
Levy never fails to look like a virgin nerd....
Only true GothamChess fans can like this comment🎉
Only true like farmers can comment this on a GothamChess video!
Ai🤖🤖
What I like about LCZero is that the training was distributed and croudsourced. Back in the day, I even contributed some power to training LCZero.
Leela can’t beat Stockfish but we all know who can…
CHATGPT!!!
summon the chad gpt
"Unless they bring back alpha zero" wait, sorry, did they retire alpha zero? I'm way out of the loop on that one.
Levy’s videos comment section never fails to include “ Levy never fails to.... ”
True lol its almost full of it and its annoying at this point
21:08 The more I learn, the more insane engine play appears. Can we just appreciate the stuff that was just hanging? Black gives up a pawn for maybe an attack. White's f pawn is hanging for a bunch of turns. The white bishop is just hanging out on the edge of the board. Black's got 2 pieces attacking white's knight, but can't afford to take it because of losing the bishop (and probably a mate I'm not seeing). Even from a GM level, these moves would be so stupid to play, but the engines see the other player can't punish them. I think even our ability to analyze these games is borderline obsolete.
Naaaah, sacrificing a bishop to create an outside passed pawn twenty-ish moves later is crazy
Working that day.
I like how Stockfish changed from 3,000 ELO to 5,000 ELO
Torch
Stockfish
Torch
Stockfish
Torch
Stockfish
And still mittens is our favourite
Looks like Gotham survived the duo attack
Levi loves saying "Slowly... Methodically... _____"
If the people at the opera game could witness this game, they would faint.
There is nothing LCZero can do in that position
Napoplen has joined the chat💀💀
Levy never fails to give me a video for lunch
Can not wait for next GTE plssssss