ANOTHER ZOELLER SUMP PUMP CALLED IT QUITS
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- ANOTHER ZOELLER SUMP PUMP CALLED IT QUITS
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I have a Zoeller M57 that is 16 years old. I replaced the switch after 10 years and I clean out my sump every few years. Plumbers that don’t clean out a sump before installing a new pump are really doing a disservice to their customer. IMHO :)
Hey Steve the weep hole on the base of the pump is designed to keep air lock from occurring inside the pump itself. A 3/16 hole should still be drilled between the check valve and threaded pvc discharge pipe to prevent air lock. Drill it just above the threaded pvc fitting at a 45 degree angle is how I was taught.
They don't make things like they used to, my parents had a 1950's Rapidayton pump in their basement that lasted until 2005. It was the original pump they put in with the drainage system shortly after the house was built in 1953!
You’ve got that right.
@@ardiemclelland2039 Yeah companies changed from making it to last a life time, to making them to keep buying them to make money money :(. Its the same in the EU for a lot of products :(, hope my english is good :D
@@ardiemclelland2039 it was made in USA
I think they cheat on putting the right amount of fluid in it I don't think they put enough of it in the pump on purpose so it will burn out in 2 years
Love your videos Steve! I learn a lot and try to watch them everyday. Thanks for the chuckle. Your reaction was funny when you noticed the pipe clamp band was below the taped up electrical cord. :)
Glad you enjoyed it
Thanks for the video Steve.
Replaced my 12yr old zoeller pump with a new zoeller 3 yrs ago for a faulty float switch. When i purchased my new pump I also purchased a new float switch and installed it on the old pump for a backup pump since it was still functional. Was surprised to see no water activated backup pump in the customers well! Saved my ass a few times during power outages.
We live next to a flood plane near the creek, so we always have water around foundation cellar. A Flotec pedestal sump pump has been running strong for over 18+ years. It runs at least once an hour all year. When we have a torrential storm it runs every 20 seconds. The only thing I have done is spray the float shaft with dry film lubricant every year to keep it moving smoothly. I have a Zoeller sitting on the floor right next to it as a backup. Maybe I should get a better backup unit.
Liberty Pump is based in Bergen, NY in the western part of the state. I live about 45 minutes away from their headquarters.
Made in the USA 🇺🇸
I’d buy that all day long
I'm waiting for comments from Zoeller asking Steve to contact them !!
i thought sure they were made in china but they're made in kentucky...
ZOELLER HAS A GIANT PROBLEM AND ITS NOT ME
@@stevenlavimoniere lol I replaced the Zoeller with another brand "little Giant".
@@MrBen527 the pump should be on a block to raise it up and
make a sentiment trap also no need to pump it that deep , just below
the drain tile is good you just pumping extra water for no reason
@@MrBen527 it will use the drain tile as a buffer so it has long cycles
save were on pump and switch
set it so it turn on when water is 3/4 up in the drain tile no need to pump water below
the tile it may never stop pumping, this is why it burned out just use a clamp on switch on the pipe
I replaced my pump 3 years ago with an Everbuilt 1 HP. I has worked flawlessly. I just pulled it out and replaced it with a new one, just to be on the safe side. When I buy pumps I buy 2 at a time. One to go in the pit and the other to stand ready just in case.
The only other pumps I would use are Wayne possibly. I have not tried Liberty.
I have known a few peoples who had indoor swimming pools from either a failed pump or clogged lines..Cousins went to plumbing system..it backed up(city system failed) and they had over 4 feet of sewer water in basement pool.. Never connect to plumbing system.. Yes, a back up pump is a must..
The Zoller pump itself is ok, whereas the micro switch is substandard. The switch will carry voltage but will not carry amperage (load) . The switch contacts get burnt by the amperage load. I bypassed the internal switch and installed a tether float switch, which gives a longer run time. Its sad when a manufacturer knows they have a problem and will not live up to the problems they have created. Had the same problem with a Califfie zone valve end switch.
Yep the Zoeller pumps suck, had one in our house when we moved in, when it failed we replaced it with a Liberty and it is still going strong 6 years later, knock on wood.... The date code on the failed Zoeller said it was less than 2 years old.
I came to the same conclusion regarding Zollar pumps! Used them for 40 years and every one I’ve installed in the past 10 years have failed! All were failed switches, I’m going to see if I can find a Liberty around N. Michigan!
Spider gave me a good chuckle.Nice job!
It's the float switches on the Zoeller's that fail. They either won't turn on or they won't turn off and will fry up the motor as a result unless you manually unplug it when there's no water. Shame because the pump itself is built like a tank and would otherwise last forever if it weren't for the cheap float switches they put in them especially on the newer ones. They make rebuild kits for the switches but have never had them last long after a rebuild, it's better to just replace the whole pump.
I put a new Zoeller in my house also in 2018 and it's still going strong. I also have a backup Liberty pump in case the power goes out. The Zoeller I had before then lasted over 10 years before the switch inevitably burnt out on it.
M63 and M95 have improved float switches.
We had a Zoeller pump, and the switch crapped out in short order; replaced w/ a Mac-something; works great!
I cracked-up, with that ""FERN", coupling, below "TAPE" job! Glade you "Laughed" it off!
I recently replaced a Zoeller sump pump . The switch was easy to replace the first time it failed but this time it was something else.
Had a call from my mother that the Wayne I installed 25 years ago wasn’t working. She was running down the list of replacements including Zoeller, but she ended up rocking the float back and forth a couple times, and the Wayne has been pumping reliably since.
I ordered a new switch for it, but if it really craps out, I’ll recommend a Liberty for a replacement.
I had a french drain put in my house in Attleboro in the late 1990's. The plumber that put the Zoellor in changed the float out to a
mercury float switch. It was still working in 2009 when we sold the house.
Interesting idea neighbor!
Interesting idea neighbor!
Interesting idea neighbor!
Interesting idea neighbor!
Interesting idea neighbor!
Found this video because our Zoeller pump just started having switching issues. Fortunately we have a backup, but it's water powered. Looks like I should replace the whole pump!
I have a 15 year old zoller and it goes off every 3 minutes and it still works perfect
Tramco makes a non-submerged pump that's designed to last for decades, and by all indications meets that goal, with both the motor and the float switch above water. They have a price tag to match - multiple thousands just for the parts.
Point being, I really love their float switch setup, which looks like it'll last forever. It's a stainless steel ball float attached to a solid metal rod that extends out of the pit to the float switch itself, which is far above ground level. The whole works is held steady by a custom metal plate covering the pit. However it's done, switches simply last longer when they're not under the water the whole time.
We call them Spiders "Daddy Long Legs" out here in Washington State!!
It's funny the spider crawling around wondering why he can hear and feel all that water flowing all of the sudden hahahaha.
I have two Zoeller sump pumps one in the basement and one in the wellhouse. Both pumps have been going strong for over 38 years now with zero issues. The only maintenance is to check the pump’s strainer for debris. If the switch is crapping out. The pump's HP might be too big for the incoming water and is cycling too much and burning out the switch.
i love the ,u.s, clamps ur using
My Zoeller pump has been going strong for 10 years. I was told back then they were the best. Things always change. I’ll keep liberty in mind for the future.
Yep, I've had two Zoeller's, one in each sump, since 2013 after Sandy. Both work great.
They probably sold the company to China.
Just replaced a 15 year old sump pump with a Zoeller. Will see how long this one lasts. Thanks for sharing.
Recently had somewhat of an an unpleasant experience with zoeller. They also make the do it best pedestal pumps. I got one with a wobbly impeller. Rubs. I'd take it back to the store but I bought it from ebay open box. They claim they don't have parts. It's BS because they make that same pump in their own brand. I told em send me the same impeller the one they make has. No reply. I felt blown off.
After my last pump failed (switch) which was not a Zoeller I replaced it with a Zoeller pump and a Levelguard solid state floatless switch. It has been running for many years without problems. I can’t find Levelguard any longer but I see Zoeller has one now, maybe they bought them up?
That's the best setup. Levelguard is still around. My guess is they manufacture the Zoeller branded version too, they look identical.
I like wayne, liberty or water ace. Water ace only the non submerged pump motors. They have a silent operation that I found to be a good option for basements. Liberty are old school pumps. Cast brass pumps.
I am so done with sump pumps! I will never own a home with a sump hole ever again!
I hear ya. Next house I live in will make sure it doesn't require one. My current house has 2 pit that run every minute all year long. Lots of lost sleep when power goes out
@@tnt666tnt I was in the same situation once before many years ago, and I can totally relate to the lost sleep thing. It's no accident that today, I live on top of a hill that is mostly sand.
Sort of hard to avoid them where we live; it's built on a swamp, basically...when I can afford it, I'd get a battery backup for the sump; I've more than once been up in the middle of the night, baling out the sump well after power outages.
what’s the purpose of a sump hole? what would happen if they didn’t have one?
@@TheUserNameNoOneHas The purpose of a sump hole is to channel any water that rises up under your basement floor or around the outside of your foundation wall into the sump pit where a pump can pump it out. Water that rises up under your floor can hydraulically lift the floor and crack it and then the water will continue to rise and flood the basement. It’s just better to place your footings and basement above the absolute high water point. Some builders dig so damn deep that your floor is below the ground water line and your sump pump never stops running. Like trying to empty a lake! Ridiculous!
Liberty makes great sump pumps.
Lived in moraga ca years ago..Spiders like that would jump..like 3 feet.. Never saw a spider do that.. But when they zip past your face its a real scream.. Really fast and zap.. Here in San jose the spider had 2 eyes on pedestals that turned to look at me as I moved in for the kill.. Damn that was eerie... Too fast for me to get him.. Hold two curled fingers move them around just like that spider looked at me..
This lady I worked with had me go out and replace her sumper dumper and I’m pretty sure it wasn’t a Zoeller I’d be pissed too if I had to go back and replace a pump only a year or two after I installed it. That lady’s basement was basically six inches deep in water when I got there. Think of the fun I had. I like the way you Jed clampet that sleeve around that pipe
I had a zoeller that pumped daily for twenty years before it gave out
My Red Lion sump pump has been going strong for almost ten years. Quality pump.
Always drill the hole in the PVC regardless if there is a hole on the pump or not. 3/16 should be fine.
Another fine example of what used to be a good product goin to shit...we used zoehlers where i worked..harsh enviroment..all sorts of overflow from alkali soaps and assorted oils..they would normally last a good long while..until a few years ago..all of a sudden they were shot in a month or two.
I’ve been using liberty pumps now and they seem to be well made 👍🏻
Same here bye bye Zoeller...Hello Liberty
My area is low and wet. 2 sumps and pumps. Marine style boat bilge on battery backup. 2 spare pumps ready to go. A Generac auto start generator for power outages that seem more frequent. I sleep better now.
I think I'd move! Sounds like a real pain in the ass, never mind an always at the back of your mind worry.
What do you think of Wayne ??? Thanks Steve
I use Wayne Pumps and never had an issue with them!
@@robstidham8754 thanks Rob
Yea I see folks drill holes in the pipe when they don't need one with most new pumps .
It's either 1)the switch or 2)the capacitor or relay depending on which motor is has. 3 years is ludicrous though. I'm rebuilding a $400 zoeller right now. If u do get a zoeller, only buy them without a switch & use a tethered float.
Guessing zoeler went the Chinesium way!
I gotta agree with you Stevie about dealing with the Zohler pump Reps for them to honor there warranty , It's a hassle, the supply houses are stuck in the middle .
Not sure if it's still the case, but in the past Zoeller used the date of manufacture as the start date for the warranty. That's kind of a strange system and I think it creates confusion.
Yep 👍 we installed zoellers to use to think 🤔 they was good but I guess not. ✌️
Had all kinds of problems until got a Wayne half horse pedestal pump.......lasted for years until sold out to Oneida Nation; they tore the house and other buildings down.
I love your vids, just gotta turn the headphones down when the truck is running lol
I can't believe this. In the midwest they only sell zoeller. Works fantastic. I've had my zoeller 11 years and my water softener hose comes off all the time and accidentally dumps brine in it.
Interesting...maybe the problem is with the newer manufactured pumps. Yours is an older one. Steve did say they USED to be good. Companies will cut corners to raise profits. Quality executives retire and new management (or family) can come in that are no good. I believe that behind a good product is a dedicated management and staff. John Deere and KFC are not the companies they used to be. The "Colonel" would go around and visit all of his franchises and keep them on their toes.
Steve Lav, the gundy applying robot. Next level mama
I bought a ZOELLER SUMP PUMP cause you liked them "Thanks"
THEY USE TO BE THE BEST ON THE MARKET THEY DROPPED THE BALL NOT ME
Great job and video like always ( Steven )
I'm sure you've been told this now but Liberty pump (switches) really are no better. I have seen Libertys fail in just over a year. The one in my basement failed after 2 years and flooded the basement with a few inches of water. It's the switch 98% of the time. both companies probably make decent pumps I'm sure, but garbage switches.
I have had and seen good results with the levelguard switches. if you haven't already, look into them.
Hey Steve... why do ya wear gloves? I can never figure it out! LOL.
Good enough for that neighbourhood.
I have a bunch of those spiders in my basement too. I go with liberty or everbuilt pumps. I went through a few flotecs and didn't like the flap trigger .
I was waiting for you to splatter that daddy long leg spider.......
I have a VERY shallow sump pit in my basement, because the bedrock is quite shallow in my neighborhood. I mean it’s barely a foot deep with the bottom being quartzite (I bet the previous owner had to pay for the bits needed to have the pit bored, as quartzite WILL cut glass). At least I HAVE a sump pit, as during the Year of the Wet Summer (2011), not only was my pump running every five minutes, three neighbors without sumps lost their carpet and most of the wood in their basements to seepage due to the elevated water table.
That's some hard rock. Sharp too. Ever seen a fireplace done in quartzite?
BEEN THERE
Yep hate zoeller pumps too. crappy switch seal.
Just switched my 15 year old M-264-B zoeller sewage pump to a backup and got the same Zoeller for the main. Nothing but security in my experience. Liberty heard so/so. First time hearing negative re: Zoeller. Don't doubt your experience and thanks for the video, but curious what model Zoeller this was? If I missed it my bad.
i bought a combo with the backup . not cheap. 1 year later both failed.
Steve loves to record the wildlife!
The spider is the pipe inspector you all.
This seems like a 2 video day🤔
My popcorn is ready!
Stay safe.
Retired keyboard super tech.
Wear your safety glasses.
Hydromatic is the only ones I use.
Apple Drains swears by the Zoeller M98. I do see them use Liberty at times. 🤷🏾♂️
Steve and Miss Molly workin’ again y’all! 👍👍. That’s one long-legged spider mama, holy cow!
My 50 year old pump still working strong.
OK EINSTEIN BUY A NEW ONE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS
Is it OK for that check valve to be installed vertically? 10 years ago my sewage sump pump indicated that the check valve should be installed horizontally.
My floatec going 9 years no problem
Steve,s working again ya,all !
@steven lavimoniere hello, this is Hayden Davis reporting from Radcliff, KY. One sump pump has failed, when I took the cover off the sump jet kicked in. The other one is completely full and is having a hard time pumping. The basement has flooded a bit. I would like some advice and what to do. Thank you
I've noticed LOTS of Zoeller pumps getting replaced on this channel. Better to use another brand with a separate/external float switch.
Steve what kind of truck do you drive. It sounds like a freight train
It is a "Work Horse" I saw it on the horn button. I think that the spacious interior amplifies what sounds like a diesel engine.
I think Steve said the engine was an "International 275" at some point; sounds a little like a Cummins...
Metropolitan pumps are awesome
Try ion pumps. Better than all of the mechanical pumps.
A little tech tip.... Clear PVC primer will take Sharpie marker off anything. Just use common sense cause it will eat right through paint.
My well pump isn't that big.
They can kiss it right where it says oh.
No shit... never knew about the hole...
Liberty is the way to go for pumps
Those spiders are your friends in pest control. I never kill carnivorous little animals like spiders or centipedes. I rather see 1 spider than 100 ants, flies, mosquitos, or stink bugs.
Zoeller pump: imma go get uh cigarettes
Hey Steve! Our hot water is foamy and has a chemical smell, glycol never put in system, heat and hot water went out a month or so ago and someone came out serviced the boiler and replaced the nozzle etc but they couldn’t find the problem, also when the boiler was out there was a little seeping of water from the domestic hot water coil could this cause this? Thanks!
MAYBE YOUR LADY IS FOAMING FROM THE MOUTH ,,WATCH OUT MAYBE SHE HAS RABIES RUN FOR THE HILLS .AND FIND A HOT LOOKING MISTRESS THATS CLEAN AND DON'T SMELL ONE TIGHTER THAN TWO COATS OF PAINT . GOD BLESS AND GOD SPEED
LOL! Steve cracks me up! I think the translation is that he is sympathetic...but he has stated in his "coffee chats" that he has to be careful about guess-diagnosing problems that are not in his service area, and that he would prefer that you address the problem with another tech in your own locality. It takes an actual site-visit to do this properly. At least, that is my opinion. (Good advice about women though).
The Zoeller pumps from the supply house is a better grade then the big box stores
He isn’t buying them at big box stores. He mentioned the Zoeller rep that works with the local supply house is bouncing warranty claims on pumps that should be covered.
The supply houses usually sell the standard and premium models. It comes down to what you ask for.
This problem has been going on for 20 years. They don't seem to care. I also switched to Liberty with no problems and will never buy Zoeller again.
I always put the liberty pumps.i had my problem with zolo pumps.never again.i always felt like they were built cheap.its like them China built parts they make them so you have to fix them.zolo garbage
agree the zoellers have been an issue for awhile with those switches. the pump motor draws a lot of current especially on a start up and that little switch cant handle that,
that's all I use is liberty and DuraMax
Was that a black widow on that pipe
Hon-key Ass!!! Crackin' me up Steve!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brown Recluse,Mama.
Steven: I want to buy a spare sump pump and go ahead and put the pipe in so I can change it out quick in an emergency because mine runs a lot certain times of the year. I'm looking at the Liberty. What's your opinion of the 2 types of floats?
Get the shot Steve get the shot even the spider want you to get the shot.
I just changed zoller that lasted 8 years
I guess Zoeller pumps are made in China now.
Give it the Old Jed Clampett? Texas tea?
Hydromatic are the best.
Can't blame the pump, it has to deal with a lot of shit. =)
Steve do you work on well pumps and if so what brand would you recommend? I'm in PA and well out of your service area or I'd hire you and also be your helper to pull 250 foot of well hose and pump out of the casing. Thanks !!
im in pa too and love steve's work and personality. my old house had a goulds submersible well pump that was installed in the 80's and it was still working in 2018 when i left the house. hope that helps.