Resin Stacking! AMAZING or HORRIBLE 3D Printing Trick? + 3D Printer Giveaway!
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- Resin Stacking! How I wasted a TON of Resin on these 3D Prints trying to figureout how to make this trick work.
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I’m waiting on my Job offer from Pixar after posting that award winning animation 😂🤘
I have something to tell you, do you know the giveaway? Yeah people might exploit the "get free entree if someone else uses this link to enter the contest" they might exploiting it by making a bunch of alt accounts. Sorry if you already knew uncle jessy
Hahaha only a matter of time!
Put them on your x156 do 500 at a time.
hey you know you can dual boot with a mac you can run windows on it i can help or call apple support & they'll tell you how
You know your now at 282k subs. Thats a massive amount of people added in a few months. Great work!
We use "3D Nesting" in the industrial space all the time. The machines are cheap, but labor is expensive... so having a nested build, especially when you know your printer and your process are ultra reliable, makes perfect sense. Massive scale improvements in manufacturing require this type of printing, while keeping printing costs very low.
But isn’t that also a massive waste of resin? Are resin parts recyclable? Wouldn’t it be more cost/time effective to use flex plates and just pop parts off more frequently than have to cut apart a nested print like this?
@@HuntingHeresy No, the material cost is usually the minimal component cost... And in some cases, like powder bed printers, there is no waste. It all depends on the particular process.
@@williamsteele I will agree that material cost is a minor part if you compare extra resin usage to saving time with fewer intervals in cleanup and print setup. Though the comparison to powder seems unfair to the resin printer ;) With powder you want to use as much of your build volume anyways since you can't reuse it (without drawbacks and limitations) like resin. Powder printers have a clear advantage in stacking prints though, since gravity and supports aren't really an issue there. I've seen Joel talk about stacked resin prints before though it seemed to me that the part geometry should be optimized for it. Stacking complicated figures and the like on a resin printer seems like asking for trouble (As seen above)
@@n.v.4702 Well, really, the above sample is a horrible implementation of supports... it's wasting so much space and material to make it not actually worth it. In the real world, supports are minimized and the parts themselves make up a lot of the supporting structure for the parts above and the supports are relegated to primarily serving the roll as stabilizers instead. (Tensile strength is needed for lifting... but very little lateral support is needed, and those loads can easily be transferred into the parts.) Optimizations (and knowing how to do it) is the whole reason some companies exist... it's a key part and doing it right can save you significant bucks in the end.
@@HuntingHeresy consider it in terms of labour though - the Mars 2 Pro tank is what, 260ml to the Max line? And that whole thing printed just fine, so let's say you can definitely print three lots of Magneto for a fair bit less than a bottle of resin - so easily less than £25 in consumable cost, WAY less if you consider manufacturers will get all sorts of discounts on bulk purchases. If you print them separately, you then need a labourer to clean the print up THREE times every 1.5 hours (so call it 3 hours of labour). Fairly skilled labour at that, handling hazardous materials with care - so let's say £15/hour. With the nesting, you only need someone to clean up the print once - 1 hour of labour. By spending an extra £ or so on resin consumables, you've now saved yourself £30 in labour (or effectively freed up that employee's time to post-process other prints, so you could even consider that you can save a whole extra employee's wage in this way).
Bear in mind I'm massively oversimplifying obviously, but that's the concept. Real companies will also put considerable time (as William mentions) into optimising the material useage so there's much less material waste than is shown here, and make it so they can do things like pop the entire thing into a bath and pop the supports right off in no time.
I do this all the time, I get presupported miniatures, "float" them in the air on my second/third layer and then let Lychee auto generate supports to it. I then remove the supports that don't go the to the raft of the raised models. This minimizes the amount of waste (I guesstimate the supports uses less resin than the platforms), still allows you to stack multiple layers in an easy way and way cheaper (as you can just use your normal slicer).
All you have to look out for, is to make sure that you don't have to many rafts at the same level, I always offset them a little bit from one another, so there isn't to much "pull" on the whole structure (and prevent the issues you were having with the rafts being seperated from the frame floors).
Could you do this but invert the models next to each other at an angle? Then could you just scale that layer vertically with the bases of the inverted models supporting the additional layers?
@@MrDanderskoff yes, but placing things at an angle, usually increases the space required and therefore limits the number of models that fit within the space.
"I can't think of any reason why you would do this"
*Laughs in multiple Warhammer 40k units."
My first thoughts👍
Termagants for days
With this we can print nearly 2k space marine heads at 1 time
warhammer fantasy goblin army 4 units of 30 goblins , i could do it in one go lol maybe
The main place I've seen this done is for dental prints, and the resin they use is waaay more expensive. Looks like part of the secret sauce, based on the video you shared from Formware, is that even the small rafts connected to the supports are perforated to reduce suction force. I'd definitely try and set up something like this if I were printing things that I planned to sell lots of copies of, but wow the potential for failures is huge!
Yeah, thats pretty much the only time I've seen it as well. Then again those actual dental prints go for a stupid amount of $$
@@UncleJessy Yup! But talk about practical prints! I'm still chewing food with one printed years ago (stupid sideways wisdom tooth). I wish I could print in cubic zirconium amalgamate!
The other thing to try is bump up your layer time. That took me from hit and miss prints to perfect every time. And when you don’t care about print time (especially when printing over night) and extra few seconds per layer will make a huge difference. I bet that is why you still have some separation at the tower top and part bottom.
That is very true!! Tweaking a few settings might help improve the outcome as well
*gazes at the elegoo jupiter*
I know what I must do, but I don't know know if I have the strength to do it.
Bwa ha ha! I made a similar comment before seeing this one. Doing my best Emperor Palpatine voice: "Dew it." 😁
Hahahaha I don’t think I’d even attempt it
@@UncleJessy yeah I get it, I wouldn't want to waste a few hundred bucks on resin getting that to work at that scale lol
*stares at my Mono X*
Congratulations on the 200K subs. Onward and upward! So glad you tried vertical stacking. I think if you were going into mass production, this would totally pay off. If you're printing those solid, can totally see why you'd run out of resin, and you'd want an automatic resin filler, or be ready to add resin during printing.
Yeah I’m wondering if I did something less solid if it would have lasted the full vat
Just got my first 3D printer this week. Got the Elegoo Neptune 2S and loving it!
I brought mine on vacation wiht me haha. Love that machine! Congrats!
I have a Neptune in my wishlist!
Let me know what you think of it later
YAY So glad about the 200k dude! Amazing growth on your channel!
Definitely a cool idea! Grab yourself a cheap windows machine this holiday season lol! I would have thought you would use mini supports or something from one model to another and not just a separate floor. Interesting! Those layer peelings, aren't those due to low exposure?
Those thicker columns definitely helped! This is where flex plates are so useful! Glad you committed to making it happen!
Hahaha I might be hunting for a windows laptop deal
Nesting like this is what I do every day. But with SLS it’s much easier! I’d be interested to know the volume of the resin used for the frame and how many extra figures you could of printed with that wasted resin.
Sls is the way to go with this as you don’t lose any material to support as it’s just re used. The coolest part isn’t just doing layers, but sticking parts in the middle of other parts just floating there
Yep, in SLS it is much easier. No "supports needed" and it is in general so much easier. Except the plastic powder everywhere. 😁
Great video. I love it when content creators involve errors or mistakes in their video. Never underestimate the school of 'Trial and Error' (I received my Masters from there in 2019). If anything , those huge supports could be sold to a local game store as "Wargaming Terrain".
Thanks for this interesting exploration. It's really appreciated that someone does this R&D and shares it.
Congratulations on reaching 200k !!! Very awesome !
I've had the Mars 2 pro for a year now and I just got the Saturn a few weeks ago and the single most important thing I've bought for both of them is magnetic flex plates. I knew how much I loved that for my Mars, so didn't even use the Saturn a single time before plopping on its magnet - makes quick swaps so much easier. So don't think I'd even be able to do this as the magnet can't take so much weight (I'm mainly doing thin things (hence why I cant live without the flex as the main gripe with SLA is how incredibly stuck things can get). Also I recommend only using water washable resin, so much nicer for clean-up.
Congrats on the 200k subscribers. Always good content.
Congratulations on the 200k subscribers, and thank you for the info links....hoping to be printing soon....and this might make a great way to army build.
Formware has been my slicer for ages and I can't recommend it enough. It is brilliant.
I was checking while this video was taking 5+ hours to upload and they appear to update it frequently which is great!
@@UncleJessy yep very responsive devs. The real time Island/cup detection in the last few releases is damn handy for support placement
Hi, quick questions about that slicer if you dont mind :
- The price, is it a once-buy lifetime license or a fee every year ?
- They mention .ctb on their frontpage, but not the "Mars 3" as a supported printer; Do you have any knowledge if they support only the "old" .ctb format and not the new one ?
Sorry to bother you but I'm really looking for any alternative to ChituBox at this point ^^
@@GregorifElfeNoir One and done.
Thank you for the video! I have a smaller printer, but i want to be able to print larger prints and this is pretty close to what I was looking for. Currently trying to find a way to print all the different pieces of a light saber in one go
You keep coming up with the goods man, excellent content 😀
Congrats on your 200,000 subs. Been enjoying your content and you are the reason I got my Voxelab Resin and Elegoo Neptune 2S
Love it, very cool project. Thanks for sharing!
awesome video bro and great advice on the print stacking.
Congrats on 200k. Thanks for showing the clips from our booth!!
As a newbie and exclusive Mac user, what slicing program do you recommend for beginners. I just received my Elegoo Saturn 8K printer. Thank you for all the helpful videos and support!
As a new bloke to the 3d resin world your channel has been amazing just wanted to say thanks bro
new thought process on this. Printing terrain models for warhammer or dnd at same time as printing lots of models lol.
Seems like using more resin on the supports than the actual models.
Using "platforms" is probably the most difficult way to do this, as you are aware (and have made videos about) the problems with flat surfaces.
That being said: there's no reason you could not set up an optimization problem where models have a required orientation, and then a solver positions them relative to each other and make a huge, multiply branching tree of supports.
It would be a super interesting computational geometry problem, really.
It's too bad these extremely hard computational problems are holding back the resin printing toolset.
Form Labs has some experts on this, but their tools are all platform locked.
You should put out a request for a PhD candidate to tackle this and publish a paper on it.
You could probably crowdfund a bounty to pay their stipend for a semester, requiring the implementation is open-sourced.
Thank you for your resin sacrifice towards the greater good.
Congratulations on the channel.
I love you videos.
Hey!! My first 3d printer arrived this week and I've been printing like there's no tomorrow!
First of all, thank you for all the content you make. It really helped me getting started and excited about resin printing.
I got a probably "dumb" question: is there any kind of resin that I can use to print a usable cup/glass for actually drinking on it?
I’m just getting into printing my own 3d sculpts. This looks so cool 😎 I need to figure out what kind of machine to get :)
This was very interesting! I didn’t know you could even print that close.
Neat! Awesome idea! I wonder if you can get more Magnetos in on each floor if you alternated the magnetos feet down and head up and head down feet up on the build plate?
Ohhh now that’s an excellent idea. I might have been able to squeeze in another row that way!
Love it when people try new things. Even if it is a expencive experience,,,,
I might try using the stacking system once I get my Jupiter. It would come in handy for some of the huge models I like to print so I can stack parts.
Stack 'em up! Cool video and I might try this! Congrats on the 200K and Good Luck to everyone who enters!
Congratulations on reaching 200K subscribers.
Sweet! This would be excellent for printing miniatures and terrain!
You can already stack parts vertically with regular support pillars if you just tell the slicer to do automatic supports to ground only, and it'll use less resin than this structure. Manually add a couple cross braces between parts touching the auto support trees if you want it extra rigid.
I've been wondering if this was doable or not! Thank you for this video. The Phrozen sonic Mega 8k has so much space that I haven't been utilizing. Congrats on the 200k Subscribers! See you at 1 Million soon enough!
If the big project is what I think it is, I am definitely looking forward to that! Can't wait for this! Also, are you getting a early version of the Phrozen Sonic Mini 8k?
I've got an actual use case for the stacking on resin printer, but it's not about making separate floors to print on, but to connect the prints together. Not about a character model, but a mechanical part though. I hope this will work, but yet to find out after I buy the resin printer for that.
Question: on the giveaway it says to provide the order number from amazon to Elegoo... how do we do this? or do we only need to worry about doing it *IF* we are selected? Thanks!
Should be a good thing in some cases, congrats on the 200k subs
Good luck to everyone, uncle Jessy you the man 😎 , keep feathering it brotha 👍
thanks!!! this was a fun one
hey im new to resin 3d printing just wondering if its dark outside and or if the windows are covered and no light coming thro are u able to print with the encloser
off?
I really love the animation!
Have you ever replaced a screen on the elegoo mars 2 pro? What's size would I need?
Congrats on 200K. You convinced me to give resin a go... just can't decide between Mars 2P or Mars 3
Congrats on the 200K milestone! Now, about making 1,000 of those on a stacked Jupiter build. 😁
have a nice thanksgiving
Hi. I want to ask how often have you changed the display on your printer elegoo mars 2 pro?
Nice documentary of your printing experience 😄
I wonder if instead of a floor and pillar supports for the middle and top batches, it could be set up to have regular supports built on top of the previous group of printed objects, and then print the next layer onto those.
@uncle jessy do you have an amazon link to the tub your washing your prints in at 10:16 mark?
Build the tower (successful one) then cut just the supports and have small park covered buildings. Then create scenes out of them! The larger supports look pretty cool! Maybe use other thin rafts as walls
Been a follower for a long time . Thank you so much for trying this . When i got my first printer . one of the first things i was like can i stack them.
Did you try bringing them all into other slicers as a single stl model yet? The auto generate builds the supports without spearing through the parts. No special platform needed.
Hey Jesse
Your awesome Chanel brought me to go and try SLA after years of FDM.
Just ordered my first Saturn and it will arrive on the weekend.
Keep it up m8
Really cool concept. Might try using this for tabletop stuff since so many pieces are really small and doing a single layer ends up with a lot of extra time wasted by having to scrape them off and start another batch. Really curious how you got the smooth constant upward motion in the timelapse, though! I don't see the print head lowering back down for each layer. Did you figure out continuous printing somehow?
It's a camera trick. If you get a light sensor, put it in the printer, and attach it to the remotecontrol shutter on the camera you can use the light that each layer uses as the trigger for a picture. Then each layer, the camera makes a picture. Then you simply put them from the first until last picture in a video editor and render it at however fast you want it (for example 24 pictures per second). Then it'll look like a video, but it is just a lot of pictures in reality :)
Great,. I'am just thinking about this posibility. Thk for the experience
I would love to see you like your zoom setting to future videos, for your Elegoo printers. Otherwise, this is an interesting concept, but seems easier to just print 3 plates in the same time as 1 super tiered plate.
An automated resin refill system would make a great after-market product for people who employ the stacking technique.
Or just... a deeper basin.
Hi what’s the best resin for aquariums ie no copper by the way great vids
Good video ,thank you for tho good information!
You are a very patient man, which Is why you’re uncle jessy, I’d have thrown my printer out the window after the first fail lol
I want to see you do this on the Elegoo Jupiter!
Can you not use bootcamp on your Mac to use Windows on the Mac and thus any windows only programs?
what do you use currently for slicer softwre?
"One amazing trick that would solve all your resin print volume woes!"
I will show myself out.
I've always wondered about doing something like this, but with FDM!
Testing on The Hitry rocket 1? I suppose there is less need for thick pillars
Amazing! I think you might have seen this on Joel’s channel where he visits a convention where he shows a stack like this off :)
I'd be curious to hear what portion of that final print was intended model, and what portion was ceiling/support.
Can you do some tips to prevent suction with those large proyects, i mean the full bed. plz.
prize 2 & 3 look amazing, also I'm not sure which Resien print I would start with because I want to 3D Scan parts of mini-pla stuff to rebuild by filling in the holes and then rebuild a few of them that I have from the Power Rangers line
What is the translucent yellow resin you use on the video (searched the video to try and find the resin )
I think it be hilarious to see this done on a larger printer like the Saturn or even the Jupiter.
i just bought the ELEGOO Saturn S, but what is the S stand for?
Congratulation !
Loved this video! Would love to see this done on the Mega 8K! Lol!
I first saw it a few days ago, when Joe from 3D Printing Nerd visited Formnext in Frankfurt
Thank you.
wait so this is possible?! I hypothesized that this was possible a few months ago when i got my mars 2 and i tried it with the Star Wars DnD Dice I made but it failed bc i was trying to do it in chitu with supports and i havent been able to get it to work since!
Why nobody did this from the start still surprises me
The Nexa3D Zip video did this. I would enjoy watching UJ test out the new Nexa3D zip 3D printer.
How much resin does it take to fill the resin vat like I see in the video a few times
the "Elegoo Mercury X Bundle" link in your description doesn't seem to work
I think you could benefit from "stacking" if you put arrange the prints in a way that you used the empty volume of a print for another print.
An example would be if you have pyramid shaped prints and then turn another "layer" of them upside down and in the empty spaces (stylized: AVAVAVAV).
This way you would spare some time.
What is that cleaning solution that you use
What is that metal plate on your build plate ?
I've already seen such stacking on Asiga resin printers about 2 years ago.
Kinda crazy timing, I've been working on a project for a long time, and a friend of mine suggested essentially this just last night.
Great video. You doing these experiments so we don't have to. ;)
resin getting cheap enough that for me at least when i have a ton of smaller prints stacking actually a good idea. Its very niche use case, but i once had to make 10000+ same ship mini details each about 10 mm. I did stack by hand in Fusion and printed whole order in one night on two anycubic photon s. That impressed my customer, but still was niche thing ever since. When you doing stuff at home you almost never will need to stack resin ever. Still good to know about the option tho. Good vid!
I may have to try to set this up for my Thermopylae special...300 Spartan soldiers and Leonidas.
which of your toys do you play with the most? (on the shelf)
Gotta do it on the jupiter with the autofilling vat 👀
Are you going to be doing anymore videos on the Jupiter?
Yeppers! Another coming soon.
gratz you truly deserve it
good one good one