The San Jose Sharks Bring Back Playoff Hero Barlcay Goodrow And Trade For Ty Dellandrea
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 มิ.ย. 2024
- The San Jose Sharks made several moves as the National Hockey League got a jump on the offseason. Start with the Sharks claiming playoff hero Barclay Goodrow from the New York Rangers. Start with why this move is head-scratching from the Sharks' perspective, as they already have a player in the same vein in Luke Kunin, why Goodrow doesn't help Macklin Celebrini and Will Smith, and whether Goodrow even wants to be in San Jose. Next, the Sharks traded for Ty Dellandrea from the Dallas Stars for a mid-round pick; what are they getting in Dellandrea, and why the cost was negligible? Finally, the Sharks have been reportedly kicking the tires on Cam Atkinson from the Philadelphia Flyers, but Atkinson does not want to go to San Jose. Why the Sharks should be looking for these types of deals.
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Goodrow here not to play with Celebrini and Smith on same line, he is here to protect/watch kids. Goodrow not afraid to fight and Sharks really needs this kind of player around younger players.
I feel you, but in that case I’d want a domi ideally, e Kane, Wilson ilk. Skill and toughness needed. When playing helps the youth. When someone gets outs of line. Steps in to detour further issues. Not a next shift, or next your on ice player in the bottom 6. Also doesn’t tip the scales putting you ahead of where you actually are.
How is Goodrow going to “protect” the young players if he isn’t playing with them?
@@LockedOnSharks you watch hockey for so many years and you still don't know how it's happening? if something bad happened, next shift Goodrow goes on ice and send opposite team a "message". you play dirty against our younger players you must pay for it. that's why Toronto has Domi, Bertuzzi and Reaves, so nobody f..k with top players.
@@FutureConsiderations i totally agree with you. but nobody want to play on this Sharks team, not even a Goodrow)))
@@andruk2009 but something bad has already happened to the young players in your scenario...
Sorry, I love your work and this is not all I got from this episode, but “helping out a rival team”? Are the Rangers a rival team for some reason I’m unaware or?
Slip of the tongue there
Goodrow knows exactly how the game is played and the young players on the Sharks are going to learn from him.
But is he good at playing the game?
Hi JD. Barcley Goodrow scored just 6 Goals in the Pkayoffs and he is right in his prime. He just has a bad contract and thats all. He is a fourtliner and an exellent penalty killer. A guy where young kids can look up to how much work it takes to be an NHLer. He will not play on a line with Celebrini or Smith. I don't get why this is a bad move. About every NHL Team would love to have him just not with that contract. I have to diagree with you on that. Love to hear your episodes in morning.
He shot 40% in the playoffs and is not in his prime. I agree he is a great person for the young players to have around, but his on ice impact is terrible.
(Dellandrea) I like this pickup. It reminds me of Zadina and Kostin last year. Dellandrea knows what he is and plays like it. He is young and can develop into something better but should end up a good third line forward. He is the type of player you need on a winning team. Everything I have read of him and the videos I have watched tell me the Dallas Stars fans would have rather he stayed. He is a rink rat and a great teammate. He was a captain of his OHL team. Worked his way up and earned his minutes. Last year Dallas acquired some veterans and had other more talented prospects surpass him in the depth chart. But, when given the opportunity and minutes in 2022-2023 he put up good numbers for a third line forward. I think he slot into the third line. This could be bad news for Bords as he was a third line staple by the end of the season (maybe being moved?) and I think it also points to Graf going to the Cuda for more seasoning. His age is good because if he improves a bit he could be with the Sharks when they get better. Depth is key and he is depth. We need guys at his development stage to add to what we have. he has played over 150 games so is an NHLer which we need at a low cost high reward pickup. We have a lot of guys not ready just yet, in the minors and just coming in to the team as rookies. He fits in timeline with Zetterlund, Kostin and Eklund. So he adds to that mix of players. I think he will be like Kostin and find a home on the third line.
I don't mind the Goodrow move, but the only thing I don't like is that 3rd year. I don't mind trying to make the penalty kill a strength. With Goodrow and hopefully Couture coming back you will now have a stable of dudes to choose from for the PK. Nothing could be worse for a younger team than giving up a goal or two a night on the power play. For years back when the Sharks were first starting to build something under Daryl Sutter, it was the penalty kill that gave them a chance every night. Because the Sharks always had an iffy Power Play back then. Not a great move though, by Mike. I hope there's some future unknown, beneath the surface, considerations for this gift to the Rangers.......😂
I hope he doesn’t steal time from daniil gushchin. That’s kids very talented
Let's hit this one at a time. (Goodrow)
This is perplexing but not the doomsday scenario you have made it out to be. Here are some points that I think are relevant:
1) The contract is no longer than GMMG would have signed other free agents for. The amount for Goodrow is way too much. It is more than he is currently worth but we have tons of space so the amount does not really matter (I agree with you there). As to its length. It fits with when we will need to start paying some of the current Sharks, so it comes off the books when we need it to. Also, if he gets waived and sent to the minors the contract cost changes.
2) As andruk noted, he will not be playing top six minutes, and to be honest neither should Celebrini or Smith unless they earn it. So, no he will more than likely not be playing with those two. If he does, this would mean they are playing in the fourth line. Not happening. So, I expect him to be playing fourth line minutes but could get some time in the third line due to injuries. I would also not be surprised if he gets waived and sent to the Cuda. He is a depth forward only on an expensive contract the Sharks can afford.
3) As to him not wanting to be traded to the Sharks. You do not know that. You are reading reports and listening to rumors. Maybe wait until you hear from Goodrow and GMMG maybe? You listened to rumors about Sturm and Coots. Both turned out to be wrong so how about waiting before jumping to conclusions on who thinks what until you hear it from them.
4) Why make this move? I am not sure either but we all questioned (me included) why GMMG took what he did for Timo and look how that ended up. I think GMMG has earned some trust from us fans with the moves he has made and how he is a big part of turning the franchise around. I am hoping this is a part of a larger move or that the NYR GM now owes us one. This could pay off sometime down the road and sooner that we all are thinking.
5) Goodrow is an excellent character guy. Tough and I think has more left in the tank. Yes, his point totals went down but so did his offensive starts. he went from the 40s to the 20s. This was the second lowest on the NYR. The reason is something we do not know but with more offensive zone starts and ice time his point totals should go up. With his intangibles I think as a fourth line depth forward he will be ok.
6) Kunin replacement? Might be. You acted in your podcast as though Kunin is signed. He is not. In fact he is an RFA so there is no guarantee he is coming back but with what they have stated I think they will. I suspect third line minutes from Kunin. Goodrow is fourth line, which we did not have a lot of last year Reference Carpenter and Bailey, among others).
7) Depth killed is last year. When we sustained injuries we had no players that we could call up in a pinch that should have been called up. I wreaked havoc on the Sharks and the Cuda. We had no real NHL players to call up. Bailey and Carpenter filled in admirably but should never have had no. We had no depth. Goodrow adds the depth we needed last year.
8) Who care if GMMG helped the NYR out? They are an Eastern Conference team that we play a couple times a year. We are not expected or should make the playoffs so what is the consternation about that? The GM of the NYR is a close friend of GMMG and as long as they both remain GMs he will hopefully return the favor when we need it. Either this year or so. It is always good to have those chips in your pocket it you need them. Maybe helping to facilitate a trade for someone you want?
In the end we got a depth forward with a contract double what he is worth that creates a deeper roster of NHL talent who is high character and experienced for a team that will be filled with a lot of young forwards that need to learn how to play the right way. It helps to ensure that they are not dipping into the Cuda where those players are needed to help continue the develop of our prospects down there.
Maybe a deal with the Rangers is forthcoming where you trade Ferraro, (2 years left at 3.25mil) for Trouba, (2 years left at 8mil) and they add in Kako, (1 year left at 2.4mil) & either their first this year, (#30) or their 2025 first? There has to be some under-the-table deal between GMs otherwise the waiver claim makes no sense.
JD I love you. The line about Goodrow sharing ice with Celebrini was chef kiss. Angry JD is best JD.
They will add skill, the offseason is not even close to be being done so this is definitely an overreaction. They’re not gonna play the kids with Goodrow haha cmon.. btw the Rangers won a Presidents trophy regardless of his ice time..
I agree with everything that was said in this video, keep up the great work JD
As to the last topic. It should not surprise anyone that free agents will choose not to come here. Especially the tier 1 free agents and players looking for one last run at the cup. Atkinson is not a player I would want them to get anyways. We will have to pay more than we should to get the types of players we want.
My hope is we get a second/third line tweener center/wing. I think we need one in case Coots can't go and because we do not have six top six players. We can say we have the makings of a good second line but first line players? Nope. In center our best is Granny and Coots.
Celebrini will be good but he is a rookie and should be playing third line minutes until he has earned playing time on a higher line (assuming he turns pro). The same with Will Smith. On wing our best is Eklund and Zetterlund. Both ok or good second liners but that is about it. So, getting the second/third line center/wing helps fill a void in our lineup. Then, for the last wing spot we can rotate players until someone takes the spot and holds onto it.
If all goes as planned the two rookies play higher in the lineup as the season goes on and the have earned it but they are 18 and 19. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. They will have to earn their minutes before sniffing a top six spot.
The future is bright but it is a bumpy road ahead. Fasten your seatbelts, 2024-2025 is going to be a bumpy ride but a fun one.
Couple thoughts.
Goodrow deal not done. I’d expect a second trade coming with more value to the sharks. Otherwise not a smart move. I’ve heard a possible second move is in the cards. Me or a not needed player for a 2nd. I’m ok with move. Spot and cap holder + a 2nd.
Don’t expect big name players in free agency. 2 spots already filled today. That’s good imo. Maybe one or two targeted players. But id expect the skill level of a domi. Second line skill at most brought in.
Grier has said he doesn’t want to skip steps. Hopefully he sticks to plan. Skipping steps would be to overdue good free agents pushing you more to bottom 10 then bottom 5. That would really hurt the sharks. I hope we target a player like max domi ilk. Has skill but also that protection player. Anyone touches Mack or will. Domi down to step in. Can also help with some skill, but not enough to tip the scales.
Smart still taking shots on reclamation/new scenery moves. I wouldn’t mind a couple more. Especially on the D end.
I’m on board for looking to flip Ferraro at this draft for a late first or early second. If need to add a sweetener to get, I’m down. Ferraro and a 5th/6th or 7th. Anything later then top 40 pick. Just keep ferraro. Replace temporary in free agency with around a rutta skill level, short cheapish contact. Same with kunin, if you can get a mid/late 2nd or a 3rd this or next year.
Please tell me whoever was in the ear for gaudrea, baupit, emond. Is long gone. Please be miller and someone new providing the intel for our next goalie picks.
100% agree. There has to be something else in the works with the NYR. Grier will have a "you owe me one" card to play in a future trade with them. Similar to when we acquired Namestikov last deadline. Everyone hated that pickup until we flipped him for a pick. I have a feeling it's not over yet.
Truth is unless you're going to be in the playoffs, he's not going to be a big point guy during the regular season. He does bring leadership and is a solid PK specialist. Not the fastest but can hit and fight and will standup for teammates. Good luck.
You’re forgetting that fourth line role was his role in New York, none of us know what Mike Greer’s plans are for goodrow in San Jose. Trust the process.
Appreciate it! Now you can have Kakko or 30th overall for free! Long as you pickup Trouba from waivers 7/1 too 😉
I think Grier makes it right for Goody, if he really hates being back in SJ. The Sharks organization is known for treating its current and past players well.
As a Die hard Rangers fan, I am somewhat sorry to see him go. He is still a great player, I have to disagree with you on that. Great on PK as you said, great fore checker, and he is a great player on a shut down line. Another thing, excellent in the locker room and getting guys going. Every team needs that. I think you're a bit harsh on him, though I do think the salary is more in the 2 million range. As well, I do think it sucks for him, if in fact, San Jose was on his no trade list. You don't need a disgruntled player, that is for sure.
I'd be surprised if Grier traded two players wearing an A unless it involved an overpay. This would also provide some center depth insurance if Couture's health issue persists. Buckle up there should be a number of moves and signings before training camp opens.
This absolutely was a good move to get Goodrow back IMHO, you want good ppl and good role models around. He’s a big time proven clutch playoff performer, exactly the kind of guy you want around Will and Macklin (especially Smith)
For about 15 minutes this morning after hearing about Dellandrea I thought to myself “Oh my gosh, that’s so smart! They picked him up instead of claiming Goodrow”…and then the waiver was confirmed.
Grier doing the same stuff as he did last year when he created a logjam of mediocre defenseman on the roster.
You know what helps with building confidence of young players like Smith and Celebrini? Winning!!
JD, he’s going to help the kids with their game, that’s priceless, please stop saying this makes no sense to you, you’re smarter than that….
I have to disagree with you, sharks had one of the worst pk last year and if you look at the 2 years prior to this he added decent secondary scoring
For NY. If these are the only moves I’m disappointed but Goodrow is in no way a bad move right now.
And if I recall correctly, most of us myself included weren’t very big on Granlund. Bad numbers in PIT and looks like a waste of cap space, yet look how valuable he was last year.
I expect a rebound year offensively solid PK decent defense on the bottom. Six yes he’s over paid but doesn’t matter. We don’t need the cap space right now.
I agree with JD. Is Greer going for another #1 pick?
You can never have enough Kunin & Goodrow type players on a rebuilding team. Goodrow played almost every game on the team that won the President's trophy. He has won two Stanley Cups. It's wild to say this move doesn't help Smith or Celebrini. He was an undrafted player who grew up in the Sharks system and has worked for everything in his career. He has heart and character, which the Sharks severely lacked this past year. He will be a mentor and a great leader a la the "A" on his sweater on a stacked NYR team. We can't all sit here and say the Shark should have got a pick etc as we were not in on those negotiations. Maybe the Sharks were not Goodrow's first choice, but this is a business and he would not have signed here had he gone unclaimed on waivers and was free to sign anywhere. The Sharks have plenty of cap space and need to hit the floor. This is a business, and the Sharks gave Goodrow his shot in the league, in the NHL you reciprocate and remember those things; just like potentially this handshake agreement Grier and Drury had prior to him being put on waivers. We never know what else may come around. Free agents will not be dying to come here, and a short-term commitment many proven hockey minds love this move for the Sharks.
Do you have any example of hockey minds that love this move for the Sharks? Besides Chris Drury I guess.
@@TheLilLeeroy Read Sheng Peng's article. Frank Seravalli, Pierre McGuire, to name a few.
Yea man, goodrow was the reason the rangers won the presidents trophy!
I don’t see how we lacked character last year. We look past the vets we already have because of outcome. But if you look closely, you had all the vets you need.
For vets, we had a past top pair defenseman in vlassic. Had a top line forward in granlund. Had 4 former/still top 6 players in duclair, barabanov, Hoffman, lebanc. Those hard working players in carpenter, Bailey, rutta.
Don’t get me wrong in this sharks time frame. Sharks need vets. How they did this year was perfect. For most part, good vets who helped eklund and zetterlund, etc. but also did very little to tip scales to sharks wins. That’s what we need to be looking for again this year.
That need vets who are actually good at hockey.
From a development standpoint I don’t think this is a bad move. We got him for free and he does know a lot about hockey. The least skilled guys have the highest iq
Saw an interesting statline showing that goodrow didn’t get any offensive zone time last season compared to the year before where he got like 40% which is a big difference in the point show.
Because the Rangers have way more offensively skilled players to give offensive zone time too. That’s good coaching.
What makes you think they are trying to win right now? They aren't winning any games for a few years regardless of who they throw on the ice. Young players can still develop on a team not winning games, winning doesn't necessarily equate to having skilled players. You rang off a few current Sharks players that are veterans and have won.. what have they done or contributed to the organization? So what's wrong with adding another vet who might have a stronger impact? Goodrow isn't there to teach these guys how to do tight turns, stop and start, or how to shoot the puck. I can guarantee that guy has a higher hockey IQ than Kunin and most on the current roster. That's what young players need, they cant win just on their skill. Corey Perry, yes a different style of play, is a great example. His skill set is not even close to where it used to be but that guys knows how to be in the right spot at he right time. You don't play in 4 Finals in the last 5-6 years on accident. A guy who went from scoring goals to laying out to block shots. That's the mind set these guys need, if you aren't contributing on the scoresheet you need to find a way, put in the extra work and contribute in another way. I'd take a Bordeleau killing penalties effectively instead the one who avoids the corners.
The little person in my head who makes the intrusive thoughts wants the sharks to make more moves like this just so we get more angry JD 😂
This one makes no sense to me.. I’ve heard we were on his no trade list.. why would you force a player against his will to play for your franchise of up and coming new players. Maybe they think couture can handle it as they were best friends.. head scratcher
It’s quite simple. Vereran presence, protect younger players, help develop and give pk pointers, salary floor and trade asset. Makes plenty of sense lol. Lots of teams would take Goodrow
How is he a trade asset with that contract?
@@LockedOnSharks with the cap being raised to 88 million, his current contract doesn’t event make up 5% of a cap hit. All it would take is a third team to get involved to move him if that’s what they wanted to do. Use a future mid round pick.
Go watch legorocks video, not even a sharks fan but all he had to do was read one article to see that barclay got 20% of his faceoffs in the O zone last year compared to 40-50 the last 3 years with NY. He’s still in his prime and very much head and shoulders above luke kunin 😂 nice try tho JD
1. That’s good coaching to give better offensive players more offensive zone time.
2. He’s 31 he is no longer in his prime
Didn’t you have a pod cast earlier this year about the sharks getting a 1st to take him? MG does it for free.
Goodrow adds legit veteran presence that similar skill type players like Smith and Kunin severely lack, extreme playoff success. I guarantee it the kids would listen more to what Goodrow has to say about being an NHLer than guys who have bounced around the leagues non contenders as borderline AHLers. I don’t care that his numbers suck or that he doesn’t score goals, that’s not what he was picked up for.
Goodrow, Sturm, Kunin for 4th line will be a b*mb!!
Not sure he wants to play on sharks hopefully just rumors
Bro want come back San Jose
Maybe the rangers trade us Gabe Perrault for taking Goodrow for them 😂😂😂
Do you think part of this is that GMMG put some feelers out and no free agents were excited about coming to the team, even with an overpay?
It not your job say a word
That literally is his job...