Sounds like a hateful dude. He pulled your phone number from your test record, harassed you by spamming multiple phone numbers, insulted you, and vaguely threatened legal action. Put the video back up, this sounds like a scare tactic. If scores and test procedures were intellectual property students would be sued all of the time for discussing scores and saying whether or not a test was multiple choice or written response on standardized tests.
@@KCUFyoufordoxingme That has been known for decades, I mean their tests are pretty accurate for solid IQ but fails completely to account for Liquid IQ. The guys are elitist assholes.
The final result of the mensa test depends on someones degree then ? Really? Cause that does not sound like a smart solution for people who wanna find out a persons IQ.
It's about exposure. Someone who did matrices in their degree will have an advantage over someone of equal intelligence with a History Degree. (for example) As matrices might be part of the iq test.
It actually makes sense to factor in formal training and education, since familiarity with these topics can skew the results (e.g. if you have trained a specific kind of math problems, solving these problems won't be indicative of intelligence. But if you have not seen them before and come up with a good strategy, this might be a good sign). However, the way to properly adress this issue would be to pose a completely different test, not to adjust the score (After all, why should my IQ drop in the minute I get my degree?).
@@nf8946 But these "choose what comes next" problems are ultimately trainable. E.g. if it is number sequences, they will tell you about certain rules these sequences must obey (after all, the question would be pointless). However, this means that someone with a math background who is therefore trained in going through the definitions rigorously is going to have an advantage.
My grandfather has a "Genius level IQ" according to Mensa... But he literally studied books that tought him how to essentially cheat the test and score higher. If you can do simple training for a test, then it does not measure raw intelligence.
Okay, so fucking what? Almost nobody does this. If they did, IQ would have very low predictive power because it wouldn't be measuring actual intelligence any more. But it has extremely HIGH predictive power, because almost nobody studies for IQ tests which means their actual intelligence is being measured.
@henk assuming your test recipients won't cheat is poor exam moderation in my opinion. Every other test you ever take in life accounts for cheating (harshly, usually), but because MENSA's test is bullsh*t they have to assume you won't train yourself to beat the test (which is called studying in the real world). IQ tests are only good at indicating who is poor at recognizing patterns and who is good at recognizing patterns, and even that is debatable since Flammy is showing that preconditions in your life are factored into your pure test score for no other reason than to exclude as many people as possible from joining their fancy club.
I have a vague idea why one's education level might inflate/deflate their IQ score, but I see no reason to include that in a test whose goal is to test pattern recognition, working memory etc. This seems like a fruitless effort to exclude you from their fancy club.
My guess is they know their test doesn't measure some intrinsic IQ (which imo doesn't exist) and is highly dependent on environmental and historical factors, so they try to "fix" the scores by taking that into account.
@@HiHello-dj8if " intelligence would be tied to brain structure". Trying to put intelligence in such a simple concept is doomed to fail. Just see how many words have been written (books, digitally, etc), since writing exist, about intelligence and realize that they still don't know what intelligence really is (psychology, artificial intelligence, etc). You will have as many "temporary" definitions as you want, but none is really accepted. They are just there so people have at least a minimal common (a working theory) terrain to talk about it. That should give some perspective about what the so called IQ tests are. They are just based on an unproven theory that some random guy came with and whish is still in fashion because there is still not even a minimally satisfying "scientific" theory about it a hundred years later. People are just suffering from a hundred years of cheap pseudo-scientific propaganda. Just another urban legend.
@@zactron1997 Yes, seems like they assume you're better at pattern recognition, logical thinking etc. because you are a mathematician, and thus want to "adapt" your measurements. But doesn't that claim IQ has a significant dynamic component? But at the same time IQ is defined as something static and only varying a few points randomly? Or are your interests determined by your "intrinsic" IQ, e.g. you like math, chess, puzzles (problem solving) because that's just the tendency for smarter people. But then they shouldn't adapt your results. On the other hand, if that wouldn't be the case, then it would show that their shitty IQ tests are learnable, i.e. not intrinsic.
perhaps they wanted to measure how well a person can come up with methods and tests to conclude things without any training to do so e.g. any maths person can probably recognise the fibonacci sequence
Iq score is but perhaps how much formalism you know through education can give you an upper hand by just having learnrd that...(i.e not recognizing the solution on your own)
yes it is, and thats actually the reason why the degree matters. You have different knowledge and skill depending on your degree, which have to be considred by calculating the IQ to be compareable. Otherwise a mathematican would be way better in math question just because of his degree and not why he is smater than a person, who doesn't have a maths degree.
Degree matters everything except when it doesnt matter at all :-D . If you get that paper it doesnt mean that you should actually ever use your knowledge again. Otherwise your colleagues might get jealous and try to trigger the rocket seat because you are the *cking mathematician who is too scientific. Better playing dumbarse than being a competitor. Refrase your problem such that it is easy enough that you can give it to the receptionist solve it. And if he/she succeeds you thank him/her very much for solving that very hard problem. :-D Use your intelligence to play such crazy games at work to avoid being bored or annoyed
The funny thing is, you’re a great mathematician. It doesn’t look bad on Mensa that you scored high originally. The fact that they were so incompetent in the process of getting your information, DOES in fact make them look bad. I had plenty of respect for Mensa scores at first. Now? Not so much. Besides, with such an ego stroking test, if people know they’ll get threatened with legal action for talking about it, then what’s the point?
That doesn't make any sense. You were explaining the components of every single IQ test and does not divulge any information that is not on their practice test that is publicly available.
Now instead of having a fairly harmless video with little controversial material, they now have to deal with a video which shows how much of a sham their organisations is :) Not a high IQ play Mensa.
See, that's a weird assumption coming from the tests or organizers of the tests. A degree should not influence your final IQ score on a paper. But I agree; it doesn't matter now if your IQ is 145 or 130 or 107 or whatever, its hard and wise work that pays off in most things in our life.
Possibly they thought that a Degree In mathematics provides one with an advantage in exams oriented around Problem Solving Due to what is taught in a Mathematics degree and that a Mathematics Degree is known for enhancing Problem Solving Abilities?
@@dozzco2827 Woops, accidentally deleted my reply. Dammit. Trying to type the same thing again. I agree that there's not one rigid way of thinking about how IQ tests are created and analyzed. Performance-visual-spatial IQ tests should be as culturally-neutral as possible. If mathematics increases 10-15+ points, then its an unfair advantage and an incorrect one at that.
Yeah isnt there an org thats actually legit. Cause Mensa sure as fuck isnt legit. They mustve been really scared if they called him and told him to take the vid down. Mensa lolol
Imagine being such a genius, that you know the correct at most smart answer to every single question on the test that you just get enough right and enough wrong to get the perfect IQ of 69. That would transcend even Einstein's level of genius.
Well, I did see a story about someone that someone managed to get 0 in a multiple choice test, and was admitted to university (or something, I remember the story only vaguely). That's because getting 0% is almost impossible unless you actually know all the answers. :D
@@benjamininkorea7016 it's not actually that hard. If you're decent at multiple choice tests, it's pretty easy to find one wrong answer. It's much easier, in all cases, to find a wrong answer than a right one.
@@benjamininkorea7016 Hilarious. Can you make up a story about how a person with extreme learning difficulties and disabilities got an IQ score of 151 to the amazement of carers, community and family? It would make a script of a plot to a good spoof movie.
Aren't IQ tests meant to be constructed in such a way the score is independent of education and previous knowledge? Why would education be a factor in the score?
Nope. Half of the tests assess education/previous knowledge. As a matter of fact, on the WAIS-IV test, it is impossible to get a score of 132 (Mensa's cutoff) without either having been born pre-1980 or learning about pre-1980s tech as well as receiving an education-that is, setting aside guessing and being extremely lucky
There are two types of IQ tests. One that requires memory of what you've learnt, and reading or another (culture-fair) where you only have to figure out the logical sequence of an array of images arranged into a pattern.
@@BH-2023 Sorry, but that isn't true at all. I was given the WAIS-IV test when I was a college student and although I only obtained a total index score of 121, there was nothing in there that required any significant level of general knowledge. I was born in 1990.
@@Shivammishra98643 ln some ways this is true considering there has been scientific studies showing how willpower or hardwork can be genetic other then personal ethics.
@@evanurena8868 Partially, same as intelligence is not an unchangeable thing. Someone who trains his brain daily (e.g. with his job) is eventually more intelligent.
Talent is just the name we give to skills whose development we can't explain,but all talents have a particular pattern of precedent events that lead to them,whether they are physiological,psychological,educational doesn't matter. Following from that,we can conclude that the ability to get a high score in a IQ test always has a precedent cause/factors that could be changed and therefore there is no reason to think your IQ score is a fundamentally fixed trait. Saying that your IQ is fixed and that the effects of math education on IQ score should be taken out of the final score is stupid because the same logic can be used to any factor that influences IQ score. "Since you weren't poisoned with lead,your real IQ is lower than x","Since you aren't illiterate,your real IQ is lower than x","Since you weren't dropped as a baby,you real IQ is lower than x","Since you were well nourished as a baby,you real IQ is lower than x","Since you grew up in a environment rich with information and stimulus for your development,your real IQ is lower than x","Since your frontal and parietal lobe are more volumous and integrated,your real IQ is lower than x","Since you've had a highly curious mind since your childhood,your real IQ is lower than x". All of those are the same as "Since you have a maths degree,your IQ is lower than x"
it is so devastatin that everyone in the comments is crying inclubing hm LOL profesinal mathematician also means no more than good at some kind of puzzles
@@michaelhighlights1614Mathematics is much more general in terms of patterns that are dealt with than the puzzles in IQ tests, and thus mathematics can be infinitely more complex than an IQ test
@@acutechicken5798 Unsigned 8 bit integer means it can store 0 to 255. Trying to represent -155 would wrap around to 100 when interpreted as an unsigned int, since (-155) mod 256 = 100.
Another look at the IQ-score: if you had a lower IQ than you expected, the overall population would have a higher IQ than you thought and therefore you don't loose faith in humanity that fast ;D
I like how when you said "People with the link", the video literally popped up in the top right corner. And everyone could access it. Alpha Chad move right there
Dude this sounds like a scam. I've never cared for Mensa but for a worldwide organization, I don't think they would behave in the way this guy did over the phone, and they certainly wouldn't care about a flammable bro who makes youtube videos. It sounds to me like a jealous viewer (who happens to work for Mensa as a low level employee) who wanted to make you feel bad for having a high IQ - maybe his was much lower or something. Either way I'm 98% sure this isn't legit.
No the flamable guy is actually one trying to scam Mensa by providning them false information and lying about his education levels, also i am sure he prepared before taking exam If you understood fundamenatlly how these tests work and how they are created you would know it is a big problem IQ scores are suppose to test how well you can understand and solve new problems , if you were studing math for years and have done thousands of simmilar logical, geometry problems than you are much more prepared than averege person and your score will be highly inflated
They don't. In fact this is not how MENSA works **at all**. MENSA test-takers do not receive an IQ score. Only tests administered by a professional such as the WAIS-IV will provide such a score. This video doesn't make any sense at all.
Everyone I've met who's actually a member of Mensa (and believe me, if they are a member, they will tell you they are) has been a complete jerk of a person who I wish I never had met.
I disagree. MENSA has nothing except the IQ score preventing ass holes to join. People tend to accommodate differences in IQ scores plus/minus 20 points. So if you are above 130. You can tolerate people with 110 points easily. But the median is 100 more than half the population of the people seem just so slow in thinking that it is hard to keep an conversation going. This world sucks the fun out of right at the beginning. For me it seems rather more benevolent to go to university and meet intelligent people there. But some people just don't have the opportunity so I think the social events MinD does for its members are actually nice and important for these people. People using it to boost their ego probably need it because they lack in so many other ways.
2:40 Wow richtig krass wie du dich hochgearbeitet hast! Mein Respekt! Ich habe auch Mathe studiert und komme aus einer Akademiker Familie, bei mir wurde der Weg schon sozusagen vom Kindesalter eingetrichtert mit Abi, Bachelor, Master etc. Ich habe aber großen Respekt vor Menschen, die sich "hochgearbeitet" haben. Mein Freund, der bald auch mit Mathe Master fertig wird, hat über Umwege vom Realschulabschluss, Ausbildung in der Industrie, Fachabi usw. zum Mathestudium gefunden und macht gerade einen sehr guten Abschluss. Und von ihm habe ich gelernt, dass wo ein Wille ist, da ist kein Ziel zu groß ist :)
(Unfortunately) this whole situation seems very typical for this channel. It is an absurd plot which, were it not potentially serious, would just be extremely funny: -1) Has complex trajectory through German educational bureaucracy, 0) Becomes god-tier math/memes TH-camr, 1) Officially receives highest possible score on Mensa IQ test, 2) Gets a personal call from Mensa representative revoking IQ score, 3) Threatened by litigation for some nonsense, 4) ??? 5) Profit.
I'm not an expert on German law, but a mensa employee pulling your personal information and using it to harass and threaten you seems like it might be illegal.
They have every right to do so He is trying to defraud and fool their system of scoring by lying and putting false information in order to achive higeher score
Wait, do they just make them harder if you've had training? This indirectly suggests you can study for iq tests and readily generate falicious results.
Wow, im sorry about your situation. Also....THIS I literally just got recommendation of your IQ video as a banner in this video which takes me to the unlisted video
I think the point of asking about education level is so that they can, for example, adjust your score down if you've received more education. Which makes sense if you consider things like pattern recognition and general intelligence to be flexible. It's just ironic because their whole society is founded on precisely the opposite premise. But even if "intelligence" were fixed, the fact that I've spent far more time thinking about geometric and graph-theoretic problems than my siblings, who're all about as smart as I am, is going to give me an edge in certain kinds of problems. I presume that is the basis of an education condition.
@@diogenescinico Exactly. Even the "language" questions I've seen on IQ tests are really just mathematical logic questions (like process of elimination) playing dress-up. Someone with a gift for languages might intuit the answer faster, but it still gives the edge to those with mathematical training, all else being equal.
I remember being at a point in my life where I used to take these IQ tests seriously. I did poorly in my CS classes and my self-esteem was really tied to these types of tests, and a lot of my so-called friends would mock me for not understanding simple concepts. I kept doing these tests to convince myself that I was not stupid. Two years later and I am now one of the best in my class, I'm certainly not a great programmer or anything like that. But the point is that intrinsic measures of intelligence are stupid, the brain constantly changes itself, it can grow depending on your environment, and depending on your mindset. Psychometrics are complete bullshit. Regardless of your circumstances Flammy, you're no doubt a great Mathematician and a very smart individual either way. :) Keep up the good work, wish the best of luck to you and to whoever reads this.
Loads of respect dude. I respect the fact that he doesn’t care abt IQ a lot (which is great). And um as far as I see it, as long as there was no confidentiality agreement, there’s nothing a lot to worry about
Flam pop you are a cool mathematician and don’t need attestation from an outside organization. Please don’t get deterred by this little bump in your career and stay focused on what you are doing. It is very educational and entertaining👍
This is like a calculus teacher getting mad at a student, who took a test on integration, for telling other students who haven’t taken the test yet that it’s about integration. Sequences and pattern recognition are standard parts of ANY IQ test, it’s actually insane that they’re claiming that’s an issue of copyright.
i’m confused as to why they use the degree in the measuring of iq test. never seen that before and besides the test aren’t accurate to measuring the intellectual skills of someone.
Agreed. I am a member of USA Mensa, and I don't recall any such questions. I think someone's playing you - probably used their friends' phones to call from the different numbers. About 'revealing test information' - while it's not on TH-cam, I've seen plenty of articles describing the Mensa test, and quite a few people will take your money for 'test prep'. They release lots of information about styles of questions, etc. You're not the only one. (That said, I am not a lawyer - and corporations are sometimes forced to defend intellectual property. Like those very expensive Xerox commercials.)
Mensa must have their head up in shit if they went all the way to IP memorization tests. Arent you supposed to IP an insane new idea and world changing invention. Just shows the level those fraudsters are at. No fucking wonder I dont hear a single scientist ever mention mensa. They need to be completely exposed
Even 120 is considered "superior". Most people with PhDs have an IQ at around 120-130 (sd=15), so a score in this range wouldn’t be too surprising; I can confidently say it’s somewhere between 69 and 420.
This contradicts the assumption of IQ tests that they measure inate cognitive abilities that cannot be improved. If you can improve your IQ by studying maths, it is not an innate unchangeable cognitive ability.
I remember watching your original video. You were surprised at the score and talked in general about the test. You didn't give away any details that could help people "cheat". I'm not a lawyer, but from my understanding of copyright law, your prior video could be considered "fair use" -- a discussion about the pros and cons of their testing methodology. Also, it sounds like you answered their questions honestly, and now -- after the fact -- they decide your answers resulted in false results. Because it seemed like you gave genuinely honest answers to the questions they asked, the problem seems to be (my humble opinion) they were not asking the right questions! That is THEIR fault, not yours. A royal shame they would try to reverse the blame! Finally, I agree with you: IQ scores are bogus. Even *if* they are the most objective way to measure intelligence, the result is EXTREMELY general and, by itself, is unable to (dis)qualify a person for a job / fellowship / etc.
When something is about politics or bias, it becomes boring. I used to take the online Mensa tests and some figure reasoning testing from various sources and I got IQ scores ranging from 135 to 143, based on SD15, regarding these tests. To be honest, the reason that I did these tests since I am very curious about my cognitive ability to learn and solve problems, and it is really enjoyable to solve many interesting logical and creative problems without prior knowledge in any field of science and mathematics. To solve these problems, you have to observe the relationship among the figures and make a reasonable and logical conclusion to reach your best solution that fits with some clues that you have observed from each problem. Sometimes, when some problems are not clear to you, you have to make various assumptions to test your ideas to reach the final conclusion. Lastly!!! I believe that your IQ score is 145 please believe in yourself not their biased opinion. You are really far better than me based on my observation of your creative ideas to solve various math problems. You are a very creative problem solver. Although I have a Ph.D. in computational material science and engineering and I am working in the field of control theory and robotics research, you are more creative and have more imagination than me.
As a student I was kind of pressured to do the Mensa test as well (and I did). Knowing what I know now about IQ tests: - it is not an accurate one, even in the range they name, there are more accurate ones out there - the kind of questions are basically exactly the same as on any other iq test and trainable if you wished to (so what is the fuzz about the nda) - alone the fact that my degree matters for the result shows how little it tells. What if I studied but never got the degree as an example. The whole idea behind Mensa is, frankly, ridiculous. Using an arbitrary number of a one day performance, to create an exclusive club of, sorry, vastly arrogant people. And no, I did not fail to reach the result for the invite, it's not envy speaking. I remember being in a room of children everybody comparing his numbers and bragging. That is such bad thing to happen, tbh.
So, assuming everything that was said here is representative of reality, the Mensa IQ test most certainly does not represent fluid intelligence and is a bit of a sham?
Your dedication and commitment to doing math well and communicating math well, at least as much as being able to solve the kinds of problems they put on an IQ test
You have to admit that you revealed classified information about how it was, like every other free IQ test online, but with the super-duper-ultra-mega-archisecret Mensa logo on it. Shame on you. Just kidding, hope you can bring the video back!
I recently tried a Mensa test in Korea. There I was, in a room full of hard-studying Asian students (literally all college age), trying to do visual logic puzzles-- AND NOTHING BUT. And I was thinking, "Yeah, but shouldn't language be part of intelligence? Or spatial reasoning? Or tests of short-term memory? Or word puzzles, or. . . ANY of the intellectual things that I'm actually pretty good at?
Hey, finde es interessant, dass du auch 'nur' hauptschüler warst, hab mein ganzes schulleben eher vorsätzlich geschmissen(106 unentschuldigte im abschlusszeugniss, mit das schlechteste aber besten klausuren :'D... unfair, dass man durchs mündliche so runtergerissen werden kann.) und hab letztes jahr im dezember mathe entdeckt(like in depth). War schon immer fleißig am philosophieren und literatur fan (nietzsche etc). Aber mathe fetzt echt übel, wenn man erstmal drinn is. Hoffe du hast deine probleme mit mensa lösen können! Alle male ermunterts mich weiter zu machen, wenn man hört, dass ich nicht ganz allein auf so einem werdegang bin! =)
The only people in Mensa are those with something to prove, and as a result the organization is pretty much full of brittle assholes. Sending you threats of legal action is pretty standard for them.
This problem is actually based on an intriguing and subtle disagreement in the academic community of psychologists and psychiatrists as to how to properly define intelligence as measured by IQ. See, in practise someone could have an IQ of say 128 as a teen, but after a degree in Mathematics, it could have jumped to 145 in a subsequent IQ test. It is true that, you'll perform better on the mathematics portion (which measures crystallised intelligence) but IF you also performed better on non-crystallised portions, then, yes your IQ is now 145. What happened during your Mathematics degree is that you've trained your brain to pick up on abstract patterns at a far greater depth which you've been somehow able to generalise to non-mathematical subjects, and that brain capacity remains with you after your Mathematics degree. HOWEVER, what bothers some psychologists/psychiatrists is how long this enhanced cognitive aptitude remains with you after your degree. You see, if you were born with 145 IQ, that's going to stay with you for life whether you like it or not. If you've acquired a 145 IQ from study, then they're currently unsure if that remains with you for life or only as you continuously study Mathematics. If you're a professor for life, then reducing an IQ score based on your studies is pointless even if IQ drops significantly for those who leave study, since your intelligence will remain for life, since you're always going to be studying to retain it to some degree. However, since many IQ testers want to measure something that is constant, fixed, and BY DEFINITION (not by fact) independent of education, they will reduce IQ scores so as to find your fixed inborn IQ. However, you can at least say, inasmuch as you've acquired and generalised enhanced cognitive abilities, your intelligence functions as though you have an IQ of 145, and that will remain with you for life as many studies show. So, Mensa wants to give you the IQ you're born with (since that is a fixed PAST fact), not the one your brain is currently functioning at.
@@zairmorningstarmusic It does change with age, but only slightly. By and large, IQ is determined predominantly by your genetics. Your environment (home, nutrition, school etc.) can optimize your genetic potential, but the floor of your IQ is capped by your genes i.e., you will have a minimum intelligence level that is determined by your genetics, regardless of your environment.
@@faismasterx Your first statement I can agree with broadly but your last sentence is wrong in every way. You can have a maximum but not a minimum. I can explain in examples if you need them but I think what I've said is self-evident.
@@he.5865 Examples? Sure. No examples of lobotomies, heavy drug use/accidents causing irreparable brain damage, fetal alcohol syndrome, malnutrition, or any other convoluted edge case you might conjure up, please. I'm talking about a routine upbringing; nothing abnormal or outlying.
I think if this shows anything, a lot of the comments on the original video were praising you for having such a high score or saying it's inevitable for studying such an "intellectually abstract field" as mathematics or whatever (and I am not trying to knock you or anyone). We all like intellectual validation and the IQ test is the type of cheap nonsense that some people fall prey to. Once MENSA losses their undeserved prestige, they stop making money and you threatened in some capacity to expose the game they play.
What's the reason for having to correct against your education level? It really looks like they are trying to make a property heavily affected by societal factors look intrinsic (as in "you have it or you don't").
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@Flammable Maths -as a mathematician are you not curious about how the score is calculated ? if it is dependent on degree i assume, the sampling size changes in the calculation of score and some of the questions in the test would have dependency on education. Thats a very interesting pattern you missed out! it could have still been a scientific approach in their calculation. If i were you I would probe how the score is calculated and how it is dependent on education -btw richard feynman didn't waste time on IQ tests, he was made to take the IQ test when he was very very young, i personally dont think any test taking ability is static w.r.t time especially for very young kids. So using Richard Feynman's example is inaccurate. I love your videos, but on this topic, i feel you could investigate more, if interested :)
2:05 How many things does IQ need to predict before it becomes a valid psychological construct? People love to bash IQ yet noone will ever question people who say 'oh I'm a INTJ' despite the fact that no psychologist takes the myers-briggs test seriously.
@Parker Moss Most definitely, and their problems are kind of complimentary. IQ tries boiling everything about your intelligence down to a single axis, but can take any natural value along that axis. By contrast, the MB has four axes (still not nearly enough for a personality but there's always a trade-off between simplicity and accuracy), but on those four axes there are only two values each.
Jordan Peterson stated in one of his videos that the problem with the Myers-Briggs is that it lacks predictive capabilities. It's still good for navel gazing though.
I personally found M-B very helpful in explaining how differently people thought. It can be helpful in identifying things you will be good or bad at and where people with different personalities are likely to struggle. At the least it gives you a vocabulary to discuss the issues, even if it isn't "scientific".
I think all attempts to define and measure intelligence are doomed to fail when you try to generalise them too much. IQ and the g factor are almost hundred years old as concepts and doesn't capture the essence of intelligence very well.
No way this dude calling you was legit. If they were serious and going to threaten legal action you would have received written notification, not a phone call from someone spamming different phone numbers.
I am crying laughing at 2:13 The perfect deadpan delivery of "Take a look at Richard Feynman he was like a dumb piece of shit with [an IQ of 125]" is amazing. Especially since "dumb piece of shit" is in direct contradiction to the essence of Richard Feynman or the idea of scoring 125 on an IQ test.
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People who boast about their IQ are losers
~Stephen hawking's legit quote
legit ngl
Abraham lincoln, 1965
100% agree but using smart people's quotes to look smart is cringe too.
@@Alians0108 100 percent agree but being jealous of someone else's comment is cringe
Boasting your iq is basically saying "I could do something cool but I'm too lazy"
Sounds like a hateful dude. He pulled your phone number from your test record, harassed you by spamming multiple phone numbers, insulted you, and vaguely threatened legal action. Put the video back up, this sounds like a scare tactic. If scores and test procedures were intellectual property students would be sued all of the time for discussing scores and saying whether or not a test was multiple choice or written response on standardized tests.
Thought the same, sounded like a scare tactic to me too. That's why I created this video :)
Mensa are scum and the people involved with it are all mostly these kinds of toxic horrid people. Don't be surprised.
@@KCUFyoufordoxingme "people who brag about their IQ are losers". Hawking was on point with that one.
@@TheV-Man Hawking used to spit facts.
@@KCUFyoufordoxingme That has been known for decades, I mean their tests are pretty accurate for solid IQ but fails completely to account for Liquid IQ.
The guys are elitist assholes.
The final result of the mensa test depends on someones degree then ? Really? Cause that does not sound like a smart solution for people who wanna find out a persons IQ.
It's about exposure. Someone who did matrices in their degree will have an advantage over someone of equal intelligence with a History Degree. (for example)
As matrices might be part of the iq test.
It actually makes sense to factor in formal training and education, since familiarity with these topics can skew the results (e.g. if you have trained a specific kind of math problems, solving these problems won't be indicative of intelligence. But if you have not seen them before and come up with a good strategy, this might be a good sign). However, the way to properly adress this issue would be to pose a completely different test, not to adjust the score (After all, why should my IQ drop in the minute I get my degree?).
IQ doesn't exist. There is no such a thing as "general intelligence".
@@nf8946 But these "choose what comes next" problems are ultimately trainable. E.g. if it is number sequences, they will tell you about certain rules these sequences must obey (after all, the question would be pointless). However, this means that someone with a math background who is therefore trained in going through the definitions rigorously is going to have an advantage.
@@smrtfasizmu6161 yea and the earth is flat. What else?
It was a prank. The person that rang you wasn’t Mensa and they were just testing your IQ ;-)
it was Dr Peyam crew
The test never stops.
Google bot has just passed the Turingtest
@@henri1_96 chicken nuggets are made of sweat and tears of budding intellectuals, the testing shall continue because the nuggets can never stop
@@henri1_96 the test doesn't stop, until your heart does
My grandfather has a "Genius level IQ" according to Mensa... But he literally studied books that tought him how to essentially cheat the test and score higher. If you can do simple training for a test, then it does not measure raw intelligence.
Okay, so fucking what? Almost nobody does this. If they did, IQ would have very low predictive power because it wouldn't be measuring actual intelligence any more. But it has extremely HIGH predictive power, because almost nobody studies for IQ tests which means their actual intelligence is being measured.
I agree with you Dalton. Iq tests are Completely useless. A number can not describe your intelligence.
@@lucianozaffaina9853 no but I bet several numbers can
@henk assuming your test recipients won't cheat is poor exam moderation in my opinion. Every other test you ever take in life accounts for cheating (harshly, usually), but because MENSA's test is bullsh*t they have to assume you won't train yourself to beat the test (which is called studying in the real world).
IQ tests are only good at indicating who is poor at recognizing patterns and who is good at recognizing patterns, and even that is debatable since Flammy is showing that preconditions in your life are factored into your pure test score for no other reason than to exclude as many people as possible from joining their fancy club.
Raw intelligence is almost impossible to measure
I have a vague idea why one's education level might inflate/deflate their IQ score, but I see no reason to include that in a test whose goal is to test pattern recognition, working memory etc. This seems like a fruitless effort to exclude you from their fancy club.
ye
My guess is they know their test doesn't measure some intrinsic IQ (which imo doesn't exist) and is highly dependent on environmental and historical factors, so they try to "fix" the scores by taking that into account.
I would think that intelligence would be tied to brain structure, so there would be an intrinsic component to IQ.
@@HiHello-dj8if " intelligence would be tied to brain structure". Trying to put intelligence in such a simple concept is doomed to fail.
Just see how many words have been written (books, digitally, etc), since writing exist, about intelligence and realize that they still don't know what intelligence really is (psychology, artificial intelligence, etc). You will have as many "temporary" definitions as you want, but none is really accepted. They are just there so people have at least a minimal common (a working theory) terrain to talk about it.
That should give some perspective about what the so called IQ tests are. They are just based on an unproven theory that some random guy came with and whish is still in fashion because there is still not even a minimally satisfying "scientific" theory about it a hundred years later.
People are just suffering from a hundred years of cheap pseudo-scientific propaganda. Just another urban legend.
@@zactron1997 Yes, seems like they assume you're better at pattern recognition, logical thinking etc. because you are a mathematician, and thus want to "adapt" your measurements. But doesn't that claim IQ has a significant dynamic component? But at the same time IQ is defined as something static and only varying a few points randomly?
Or are your interests determined by your "intrinsic" IQ, e.g. you like math, chess, puzzles (problem solving) because that's just the tendency for smarter people. But then they shouldn't adapt your results.
On the other hand, if that wouldn't be the case, then it would show that their shitty IQ tests are learnable, i.e. not intrinsic.
I really dislike the word "cringe", but that's a cringe move from the Mensa representative (if it's even a genuine person and not an elaborate troll).
so you think the word cringe is... cringe?
very cringeworthy indeed
I'm from Mensa Mx. So much cringe to this move from US representative
It seems to be a quite stupid move...
@@luisenriquezapataarellano7591 he isn't American
Isn't IQ score independent of one's degree?
I thought so too...
same
perhaps they wanted to measure how well a person can come up with methods and tests to conclude things without any training to do so e.g. any maths person can probably recognise the fibonacci sequence
Iq score is but perhaps how much formalism you know through education can give you an upper hand by just having learnrd that...(i.e not recognizing the solution on your own)
yes it is, and thats actually the reason why the degree matters. You have different knowledge and skill depending on your degree, which have to be considred by calculating the IQ to be compareable. Otherwise a mathematican would be way better in math question just because of his degree and not why he is smater than a person, who doesn't have a maths degree.
Degree matters? Then how about accounting for all the tutoring and hot housing by certain families for kids?
At least they don't do this in other countries
Degree matters everything except when it doesnt matter at all :-D . If you get that paper it doesnt mean that you should actually ever use your knowledge again. Otherwise your colleagues might get jealous and try to trigger the rocket seat because you are the *cking mathematician who is too scientific. Better playing dumbarse than being a competitor.
Refrase your problem such that it is easy enough that you can give it to the receptionist solve it. And if he/she succeeds you thank him/her very much for solving that very hard problem. :-D Use your intelligence to play such crazy games at work to avoid being bored or annoyed
The only metric which degree matters on at all, apparently, since it doesn't matter to the job market or conversationally. What a joke.
What IQ shows is just how good a man is in IQ tests.
xD
-Killed the high IQ society
IQ is not just determined by math.
@@pedrovelazquez138 yea, but math is determined by IQ
hard to convince me that a person with an IQ below 90 is smart in any way
The funny thing is, you’re a great mathematician. It doesn’t look bad on Mensa that you scored high originally. The fact that they were so incompetent in the process of getting your information, DOES in fact make them look bad. I had plenty of respect for Mensa scores at first. Now? Not so much. Besides, with such an ego stroking test, if people know they’ll get threatened with legal action for talking about it, then what’s the point?
He is a decent mathematician. He's a great youtuber. He'd agree,
If it's illegal to brag about my 95 iq score , what was the point of taking mensa iq test
That doesn't make any sense. You were explaining the components of every single IQ test and does not divulge any information that is not on their practice test that is publicly available.
Low iq people taking the test away. Ironic.
Now instead of having a fairly harmless video with little controversial material, they now have to deal with a video which shows how much of a sham their organisations is :)
Not a high IQ play Mensa.
:D
Hahahaha very true, unless the guy who called was a troll xD
When did Mensa display any high iq behavior
Right?! :D
XDXD i always knew these guyz are playing us. Not intelligent at all
See, that's a weird assumption coming from the tests or organizers of the tests. A degree should not influence your final IQ score on a paper. But I agree; it doesn't matter now if your IQ is 145 or 130 or 107 or whatever, its hard and wise work that pays off in most things in our life.
True
yup! :)
Possibly they thought that a Degree In mathematics provides one with an advantage in exams oriented around Problem Solving Due to what is taught in a Mathematics degree and that a Mathematics Degree is known for enhancing Problem Solving Abilities?
@@Merryianna Well Said; I absolutely agree with you on that basis of how exactly one should formulate an IQ Test
@@dozzco2827 Woops, accidentally deleted my reply. Dammit. Trying to type the same thing again. I agree that there's not one rigid way of thinking about how IQ tests are created and analyzed.
Performance-visual-spatial IQ tests should be as culturally-neutral as possible. If mathematics increases 10-15+ points, then its an unfair advantage and an incorrect one at that.
Lol mensa is actually a joke.
I think they have a flat earther in their midsts
Yeah isnt there an org thats actually legit. Cause Mensa sure as fuck isnt legit. They mustve been really scared if they called him and told him to take the vid down. Mensa lolol
@@Artaxerxes. well, IQ is an inherently flawed system, so there cannot be any 'legitimate' high IQ society
Just a circle jerk group.
@@CrabbyDarth How is it inherently flawed?
Papa flammy's IQ is probably 69420
WRONG! IT HAS TO BE 69^420
@@christianmartinez4858 even better : 69 to the super power 420 !!
for dummies out there :
2 to the super power 4 is 2^(2^(2^2))
Nice
no doubt about that
It is 727
Imagine being such a genius, that you know the correct at most smart answer to every single question on the test that you just get enough right and enough wrong to get the perfect IQ of 69. That would transcend even Einstein's level of genius.
Well, I did see a story about someone that someone managed to get 0 in a multiple choice test, and was admitted to university (or something, I remember the story only vaguely). That's because getting 0% is almost impossible unless you actually know all the answers. :D
@@benjamininkorea7016 dude, you're probably remembering Into the Spider-Verse
@@mixxed_nuts that tingles
@@benjamininkorea7016 it's not actually that hard. If you're decent at multiple choice tests, it's pretty easy to find one wrong answer. It's much easier, in all cases, to find a wrong answer than a right one.
@@benjamininkorea7016 Hilarious. Can you make up a story about how a person with extreme learning difficulties and disabilities got an IQ score of 151 to the amazement of carers, community and family? It would make a script of a plot to a good spoof movie.
Aren't IQ tests meant to be constructed in such a way the score is independent of education and previous knowledge? Why would education be a factor in the score?
Because the test organizers are dummies, lol.
Nope. Half of the tests assess education/previous knowledge. As a matter of fact, on the WAIS-IV test, it is impossible to get a score of 132 (Mensa's cutoff) without either having been born pre-1980 or learning about pre-1980s tech as well as receiving an education-that is, setting aside guessing and being extremely lucky
There are two types of IQ tests. One that requires memory of what you've learnt, and reading or another (culture-fair) where you only have to figure out the logical sequence of an array of images arranged into a pattern.
@@BH-2023 Sorry, but that isn't true at all. I was given the WAIS-IV test when I was a college student and although I only obtained a total index score of 121, there was nothing in there that required any significant level of general knowledge. I was born in 1990.
“Talent has nothing to do with hardwork”
*gets a maths degree*
*wait, that’s illegal*
And hardwork has nothing to do with luck
@@solidcomms3136 bro luck matter a lot. Even more than hardwork in my opinion.
@@Shivammishra98643 ln some ways this is true considering there has been scientific studies showing how willpower or hardwork can be genetic other then personal ethics.
@@evanurena8868 Partially, same as intelligence is not an unchangeable thing. Someone who trains his brain daily (e.g. with his job) is eventually more intelligent.
Talent is just the name we give to skills whose development we can't explain,but all talents have a particular pattern of precedent events that lead to them,whether they are physiological,psychological,educational doesn't matter.
Following from that,we can conclude that the ability to get a high score in a IQ test always has a precedent cause/factors that could be changed and therefore there is no reason to think your IQ score is a fundamentally fixed trait. Saying that your IQ is fixed and that the effects of math education on IQ score should be taken out of the final score is stupid because the same logic can be used to any factor that influences IQ score.
"Since you weren't poisoned with lead,your real IQ is lower than x","Since you aren't illiterate,your real IQ is lower than x","Since you weren't dropped as a baby,you real IQ is lower than x","Since you were well nourished as a baby,you real IQ is lower than x","Since you grew up in a environment rich with information and stimulus for your development,your real IQ is lower than x","Since your frontal and parietal lobe are more volumous and integrated,your real IQ is lower than x","Since you've had a highly curious mind since your childhood,your real IQ is lower than x". All of those are the same as "Since you have a maths degree,your IQ is lower than x"
You unlisted the video, but it's an in-video recommended video, so it's trivial to reach it from this video. Not sure if that's intended.
SHHHH
Accessing the unlisted video had been left an an exercise for the viewer
@@ciarfah LMAO
Totally an accident. I see no other explanation.
It was an IQ test. :-D
oh no now you're not allowed into their "good at puzzles" club, what devastating news for a professional mathematician :D
xD
it is so devastatin that everyone in the comments is crying inclubing hm LOL profesinal mathematician also means no more than good at some kind of puzzles
it's not good at puzzles... it's just a puzzle club!
@@michaelhighlights1614Mathematics is much more general in terms of patterns that are dealt with than the puzzles in IQ tests, and thus mathematics can be infinitely more complex than an IQ test
“This number doesn’t really benefit my life In any kinda way” that’s exactly right, that’s what it’s all about
It benefits big time lol I'm so different than other people
My IQ is -155 and is stored in an unsigned 8-bit integer. I'm also a self-proclaimed smartest person in the world.
Sheesh, a negative 155 iq and you are the smartest person in the world...
Edit: did I miss a joke?
@@acutechicken5798 it literally says "unsigned integer"
@@acutechicken5798 Unsigned 8 bit integer means it can store 0 to 255. Trying to represent -155 would wrap around to 100 when interpreted as an unsigned int, since (-155) mod 256 = 100.
Another look at the IQ-score: if you had a lower IQ than you expected, the overall population would have a higher IQ than you thought and therefore you don't loose faith in humanity that fast ;D
Don't take down the video until you get a formal paper signed by someone, the call phone could be just a prank.
I like how when you said "People with the link", the video literally popped up in the top right corner. And everyone could access it. Alpha Chad move right there
:^D
Dude this sounds like a scam. I've never cared for Mensa but for a worldwide organization, I don't think they would behave in the way this guy did over the phone, and they certainly wouldn't care about a flammable bro who makes youtube videos. It sounds to me like a jealous viewer (who happens to work for Mensa as a low level employee) who wanted to make you feel bad for having a high IQ - maybe his was much lower or something. Either way I'm 98% sure this isn't legit.
No the flamable guy is actually one trying to scam Mensa by providning them false information and lying about his education levels, also i am sure he prepared before taking exam
If you understood fundamenatlly how these tests work and how they are created you would know it is a big problem
IQ scores are suppose to test how well you can understand and solve new problems , if you were studing math for years and have done thousands of simmilar logical, geometry problems than you are much more prepared than averege person and your score will be highly inflated
They don't. In fact this is not how MENSA works **at all**. MENSA test-takers do not receive an IQ score. Only tests administered by a professional such as the WAIS-IV will provide such a score. This video doesn't make any sense at all.
Everyone I've met who's actually a member of Mensa (and believe me, if they are a member, they will tell you they are) has been a complete jerk of a person who I wish I never had met.
I disagree.
MENSA has nothing except the IQ score preventing ass holes to join.
People tend to accommodate differences in IQ scores plus/minus 20 points. So if you are above 130. You can tolerate people with 110 points easily. But the median is 100 more than half the population of the people seem just so slow in thinking that it is hard to keep an conversation going. This world sucks the fun out of right at the beginning.
For me it seems rather more benevolent to go to university and meet intelligent people there.
But some people just don't have the opportunity so I think the social events MinD does for its members are actually nice and important for these people.
People using it to boost their ego probably need it because they lack in so many other ways.
Mensa are the manlets of the iq hierarchy. Try looking for friends in triple nine.
good for them
@@emilwandel Sounds like you've got a pretty big ego yourself. I'm sure you fit right in.
A bit of selection bias. The nice mensa guys probably won't tell you they are member.
2:40 Wow richtig krass wie du dich hochgearbeitet hast! Mein Respekt! Ich habe auch Mathe studiert und komme aus einer Akademiker Familie, bei mir wurde der Weg schon sozusagen vom Kindesalter eingetrichtert mit Abi, Bachelor, Master etc. Ich habe aber großen Respekt vor Menschen, die sich "hochgearbeitet" haben. Mein Freund, der bald auch mit Mathe Master fertig wird, hat über Umwege vom Realschulabschluss, Ausbildung in der Industrie, Fachabi usw. zum Mathestudium gefunden und macht gerade einen sehr guten Abschluss. Und von ihm habe ich gelernt, dass wo ein Wille ist, da ist kein Ziel zu groß ist :)
Danke Katharina! :)
(Unfortunately) this whole situation seems very typical for this channel. It is an absurd plot which, were it not potentially serious, would just be extremely funny:
-1) Has complex trajectory through German educational bureaucracy,
0) Becomes god-tier math/memes TH-camr,
1) Officially receives highest possible score on Mensa IQ test,
2) Gets a personal call from Mensa representative revoking IQ score,
3) Threatened by litigation for some nonsense,
4) ???
5) Profit.
sadly xD
You forgot the "collect underpants" step in the above!
4) would be "makes a video about it hoping to not get sued for litigation"
@ Alexander Sanchez: My thoughts, too: a publicity stunt for "Flammable Maths" channel? Maybe. After all, it's TH-cam: Gewinn Uber Alles.
Looks like Mensa got butthurt
2:15 125 iq is considered a high intellect and may I add that it is also well above average
I'm not an expert on German law, but a mensa employee pulling your personal information and using it to harass and threaten you seems like it might be illegal.
They have every right to do so
He is trying to defraud and fool their system of scoring by lying and putting false information in order to achive higeher score
@@urosuros2072 no lol, wich drugs did u take
@@urosuros2072 r u in mensa lol
Wait, do they just make them harder if you've had training? This indirectly suggests you can study for iq tests and readily generate falicious results.
Wow, im sorry about your situation.
Also....THIS
I literally just got recommendation of your IQ video as a banner in this video which takes me to the unlisted video
ye, someone already mentioned that lol
That's what happens when you don't rewatch enough Rick and Morty episodes.
If they had anything serious on hand, wouldn't they just sue you or at least send a proper letter?
No phone call can be considered as official correspondence. Tell that guy to send you a legal notice of whatever he wants to say.
What, so people with a better education get a higher score by default? That's extremely dumb.
I think the point of asking about education level is so that they can, for example, adjust your score down if you've received more education. Which makes sense if you consider things like pattern recognition and general intelligence to be flexible. It's just ironic because their whole society is founded on precisely the opposite premise. But even if "intelligence" were fixed, the fact that I've spent far more time thinking about geometric and graph-theoretic problems than my siblings, who're all about as smart as I am, is going to give me an edge in certain kinds of problems. I presume that is the basis of an education condition.
It is justifiable, since a large fraction of the test consists of detecting patterns, and mathematicians excel at these tasks.
@@diogenescinico Exactly. Even the "language" questions I've seen on IQ tests are really just mathematical logic questions (like process of elimination) playing dress-up. Someone with a gift for languages might intuit the answer faster, but it still gives the edge to those with mathematical training, all else being equal.
@@hughcaldwell1034 Precisely. The language test consists of syllogisms and analogies - basically logic.
Dor fuchs is really smart just listening his music gives 10 + boost to iq
I remember being at a point in my life where I used to take these IQ tests seriously. I did poorly in my CS classes and my self-esteem was really tied to these types of tests, and a lot of my so-called friends would mock me for not understanding simple concepts. I kept doing these tests to convince myself that I was not stupid.
Two years later and I am now one of the best in my class, I'm certainly not a great programmer or anything like that. But the point is that intrinsic measures of intelligence are stupid, the brain constantly changes itself, it can grow depending on your environment, and depending on your mindset. Psychometrics are complete bullshit.
Regardless of your circumstances Flammy, you're no doubt a great Mathematician and a very smart individual either way. :) Keep up the good work, wish the best of luck to you and to whoever reads this.
heritability: 0.85. Why are you so certain intelligence is so environmental?
Psychometric is not bs. People with higher iq have larger brains, less neurite density, higher overall g, and processing speeds among other skills.
@@he.5865 intelligence is only environmental in childhood. Past about age 10, it becomes extremely heritable
Loads of respect dude. I respect the fact that he doesn’t care abt IQ a lot (which is great). And um as far as I see it, as long as there was no confidentiality agreement, there’s nothing a lot to worry about
Of course Papa’s iq is 420
Jens’ meme iq is -1/12
Flam pop you are a cool mathematician and don’t need attestation from an outside organization. Please don’t get deterred by this little bump in your career and stay focused on what you are doing. It is very educational and entertaining👍
This is like a calculus teacher getting mad at a student, who took a test on integration, for telling other students who haven’t taken the test yet that it’s about integration. Sequences and pattern recognition are standard parts of ANY IQ test, it’s actually insane that they’re claiming that’s an issue of copyright.
"Hey, you studied stuff, so what you know doesn't count."
i’m confused as to why they use the degree in the measuring of iq test. never seen that before and besides the test aren’t accurate to measuring the intellectual skills of someone.
Same, that is really weird
Agreed. I am a member of USA Mensa, and I don't recall any such questions. I think someone's playing you - probably used their friends' phones to call from the different numbers.
About 'revealing test information' - while it's not on TH-cam, I've seen plenty of articles describing the Mensa test, and quite a few people will take your money for 'test prep'. They release lots of information about styles of questions, etc. You're not the only one.
(That said, I am not a lawyer - and corporations are sometimes forced to defend intellectual property. Like those very expensive Xerox commercials.)
Shocking, I will never take a mensa test after this! And I will inform all my friends so they also don't!
Wait so memorization tests are mensa's IP‽ Does that mean that if I make a memorization test, it'll be illegal now 😂😂
Mensa must have their head up in shit if they went all the way to IP memorization tests. Arent you supposed to IP an insane new idea and world changing invention. Just shows the level those fraudsters are at. No fucking wonder I dont hear a single scientist ever mention mensa. They need to be completely exposed
Mensa: "Your Iq is not 145"
*papa flammy's brain shirnks by 31%
shirnk
when ur brain is at 69% ;(
I'm sorry to hear that, I hope things get better in this situation
Can't you just self certify yourself as a person with an IQ of 145? It's the 21st century, what if you identify as someone with an IQ of 145?
I identify as a person with a room temperature IQ. But in celcius, Fahrenheit, or Kelvin? You will never know! Mwahahhahah
Extremely underrated comment.
That's so humble of you! I'm in awe! Bravo
Doesn't matter how smart you think you are, anyone with half a brain knows that people are smarter together.
Even 120 is considered "superior". Most people with PhDs have an IQ at around 120-130 (sd=15), so a score in this range wouldn’t be too surprising; I can confidently say it’s somewhere between 69 and 420.
I don't need Mensa to confirm I have a near genius IQ.
yeye
This contradicts the assumption of IQ tests that they measure inate cognitive abilities that cannot be improved. If you can improve your IQ by studying maths, it is not an innate unchangeable cognitive ability.
I'd keep the video up. If they had anything they'd send a lawyer's letter, not just say that over the phone.
Thanks for sharing this. Also, nice fractals on the wall 😎😜
Thx :3
I lost it when you called Feynman a dumb piece of shit! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I bet he’ll chuckle at it too 🤣👍🏾 you are a boss, mate!
Since the video is now unlisted, can you post the link in the description? 😉
I have an IQ in the 99th percentile (WISC - V) and I get average grades for non mathematical subjects :/, test seems biased
yeye
I am also in the 99th percentile and I can get average grades, if I don't study lol
Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children?
@@asiamies9153 yes
The link came up suggested in the top right about half a minute in, which led me to the unlisted video- which is pretty hilarious
I remember watching your original video. You were surprised at the score and talked in general about the test. You didn't give away any details that could help people "cheat". I'm not a lawyer, but from my understanding of copyright law, your prior video could be considered "fair use" -- a discussion about the pros and cons of their testing methodology.
Also, it sounds like you answered their questions honestly, and now -- after the fact -- they decide your answers resulted in false results. Because it seemed like you gave genuinely honest answers to the questions they asked, the problem seems to be (my humble opinion) they were not asking the right questions! That is THEIR fault, not yours. A royal shame they would try to reverse the blame!
Finally, I agree with you: IQ scores are bogus. Even *if* they are the most objective way to measure intelligence, the result is EXTREMELY general and, by itself, is unable to (dis)qualify a person for a job / fellowship / etc.
When something is about politics or bias, it becomes boring. I used to take the online Mensa tests and some figure reasoning testing from various sources and I got IQ scores ranging from 135 to 143, based on SD15, regarding these tests. To be honest, the reason that I did these tests since I am very curious about my cognitive ability to learn and solve problems, and it is really enjoyable to solve many interesting logical and creative problems without prior knowledge in any field of science and mathematics. To solve these problems, you have to observe the relationship among the figures and make a reasonable and logical conclusion to reach your best solution that fits with some clues that you have observed from each problem. Sometimes, when some problems are not clear to you, you have to make various assumptions to test your ideas to reach the final conclusion. Lastly!!! I believe that your IQ score is 145 please believe in yourself not their biased opinion. You are really far better than me based on my observation of your creative ideas to solve various math problems. You are a very creative problem solver. Although I have a Ph.D. in computational material science and engineering and I am working in the field of control theory and robotics research, you are more creative and have more imagination than me.
What an engineer
Virign "let me google the exact translation really quick" vs chad "a kind of a Verschwiegenheitserklärung"
As a student I was kind of pressured to do the Mensa test as well (and I did). Knowing what I know now about IQ tests:
- it is not an accurate one, even in the range they name, there are more accurate ones out there
- the kind of questions are basically exactly the same as on any other iq test and trainable if you wished to (so what is the fuzz about the nda)
- alone the fact that my degree matters for the result shows how little it tells. What if I studied but never got the degree as an example.
The whole idea behind Mensa is, frankly, ridiculous. Using an arbitrary number of a one day performance, to create an exclusive club of, sorry, vastly arrogant people. And no, I did not fail to reach the result for the invite, it's not envy speaking. I remember being in a room of children everybody comparing his numbers and bragging. That is such bad thing to happen, tbh.
Damn what's the name of your introdictory sound? Sounds dope
So, assuming everything that was said here is representative of reality, the Mensa IQ test most certainly does not represent fluid intelligence and is a bit of a sham?
Your dedication and commitment to doing math well and communicating math well, at least as much as being able to solve the kinds of problems they put on an IQ test
You have to admit that you revealed classified information about how it was, like every other free IQ test online, but with the super-duper-ultra-mega-archisecret Mensa logo on it. Shame on you.
Just kidding, hope you can bring the video back!
I recently tried a Mensa test in Korea. There I was, in a room full of hard-studying Asian students (literally all college age), trying to do visual logic puzzles-- AND NOTHING BUT. And I was thinking, "Yeah, but shouldn't language be part of intelligence? Or spatial reasoning? Or tests of short-term memory? Or word puzzles, or. . . ANY of the intellectual things that I'm actually pretty good at?
Yes your oppinion is very valuable
What is that poster on your desk? I need it for research purposes
Apology video sucked. No tears and dogs and no loud sighs
sigh
@@PapaFlammy69 was not loud enough
Tmartan
Hey, finde es interessant, dass du auch 'nur' hauptschüler warst, hab mein ganzes schulleben eher vorsätzlich geschmissen(106 unentschuldigte im abschlusszeugniss, mit das schlechteste aber besten klausuren :'D... unfair, dass man durchs mündliche so runtergerissen werden kann.) und hab letztes jahr im dezember mathe entdeckt(like in depth). War schon immer fleißig am philosophieren und literatur fan (nietzsche etc). Aber mathe fetzt echt übel, wenn man erstmal drinn is. Hoffe du hast deine probleme mit mensa lösen können! Alle male ermunterts mich weiter zu machen, wenn man hört, dass ich nicht ganz allein auf so einem werdegang bin! =)
vom suizidalen polytoxen abfuck zum ostdorfmathe hexer haha xd o_o
The only people in Mensa are those with something to prove, and as a result the organization is pretty much full of brittle assholes. Sending you threats of legal action is pretty standard for them.
Or for a slightly better chance at getting into college
Papa fammy don't worry we stand with you
This problem is actually based on an intriguing and subtle disagreement in the academic community of psychologists and psychiatrists as to how to properly define intelligence as measured by IQ. See, in practise someone could have an IQ of say 128 as a teen, but after a degree in Mathematics, it could have jumped to 145 in a subsequent IQ test. It is true that, you'll perform better on the mathematics portion (which measures crystallised intelligence) but IF you also performed better on non-crystallised portions, then, yes your IQ is now 145. What happened during your Mathematics degree is that you've trained your brain to pick up on abstract patterns at a far greater depth which you've been somehow able to generalise to non-mathematical subjects, and that brain capacity remains with you after your Mathematics degree.
HOWEVER, what bothers some psychologists/psychiatrists is how long this enhanced cognitive aptitude remains with you after your degree. You see, if you were born with 145 IQ, that's going to stay with you for life whether you like it or not. If you've acquired a 145 IQ from study, then they're currently unsure if that remains with you for life or only as you continuously study Mathematics. If you're a professor for life, then reducing an IQ score based on your studies is pointless even if IQ drops significantly for those who leave study, since your intelligence will remain for life, since you're always going to be studying to retain it to some degree. However, since many IQ testers want to measure something that is constant, fixed, and BY DEFINITION (not by fact) independent of education, they will reduce IQ scores so as to find your fixed inborn IQ. However, you can at least say, inasmuch as you've acquired and generalised enhanced cognitive abilities, your intelligence functions as though you have an IQ of 145, and that will remain with you for life as many studies show. So, Mensa wants to give you the IQ you're born with (since that is a fixed PAST fact), not the one your brain is currently functioning at.
People are not "born" with a certain intelligence, and it definitely doesn't stay the same over a lifetime.
IQ changes with age. this is debunked, other wise you’ll simply be tested as a child.
@@zairmorningstarmusic It does change with age, but only slightly. By and large, IQ is determined predominantly by your genetics. Your environment (home, nutrition, school etc.) can optimize your genetic potential, but the floor of your IQ is capped by your genes i.e., you will have a minimum intelligence level that is determined by your genetics, regardless of your environment.
@@faismasterx Your first statement I can agree with broadly but your last sentence is wrong in every way. You can have a maximum but not a minimum. I can explain in examples if you need them but I think what I've said is self-evident.
@@he.5865 Examples? Sure. No examples of lobotomies, heavy drug use/accidents causing irreparable brain damage, fetal alcohol syndrome, malnutrition, or any other convoluted edge case you might conjure up, please. I'm talking about a routine upbringing; nothing abnormal or outlying.
I'm glad you got an agreement settled!
I think if this shows anything, a lot of the comments on the original video were praising you for having such a high score or saying it's inevitable for studying such an "intellectually abstract field" as mathematics or whatever (and I am not trying to knock you or anyone). We all like intellectual validation and the IQ test is the type of cheap nonsense that some people fall prey to. Once MENSA losses their undeserved prestige, they stop making money and you threatened in some capacity to expose the game they play.
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You unlisted the video...but TH-cam still suggests it to me in the top right?
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I had an IQ test. I was a bit worried, but fortunatelly, it came back as negative...
That test is like my admission exam for college
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Can You explain
What is Godel Incompleteness Theorem
This is random lmao. Watch the Veritasium video
In mexican spanish, "Mensa" or "menso" means stupid. Really accurate after watching this video
What's the reason for having to correct against your education level?
It really looks like they are trying to make a property heavily affected by societal factors look intrinsic (as in "you have it or you don't").
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Well, at first glance you have nicely done acoustic tiles, a Pi headphone holder and a Mandelbrot set. I think you're good :)
@Flammable Maths
-as a mathematician are you not curious about how the score is calculated ? if it is dependent on degree i assume, the sampling size changes in the calculation of score and some of the questions in the test would have dependency on education. Thats a very interesting pattern you missed out! it could have still been a scientific approach in their calculation. If i were you I would probe how the score is calculated and how it is dependent on education
-btw richard feynman didn't waste time on IQ tests, he was made to take the IQ test when he was very very young, i personally dont think any test taking ability is static w.r.t time especially for very young kids. So using Richard Feynman's example is inaccurate.
I love your videos, but on this topic, i feel you could investigate more, if interested :)
When you said, your IQ wasn't correct, I first thought that it was actually way higher.
2:05 How many things does IQ need to predict before it becomes a valid psychological construct? People love to bash IQ yet noone will ever question people who say 'oh I'm a INTJ' despite the fact that no psychologist takes the myers-briggs test seriously.
I've heard far more people deride MB than take it seriously - by a ratio of about 100:1.
@Parker Moss Most definitely, and their problems are kind of complimentary. IQ tries boiling everything about your intelligence down to a single axis, but can take any natural value along that axis. By contrast, the MB has four axes (still not nearly enough for a personality but there's always a trade-off between simplicity and accuracy), but on those four axes there are only two values each.
Jordan Peterson stated in one of his videos that the problem with the Myers-Briggs is that it lacks predictive capabilities. It's still good for navel gazing though.
I personally found M-B very helpful in explaining how differently people thought. It can be helpful in identifying things you will be good or bad at and where people with different personalities are likely to struggle. At the least it gives you a vocabulary to discuss the issues, even if it isn't "scientific".
I think all attempts to define and measure intelligence are doomed to fail when you try to generalise them too much. IQ and the g factor are almost hundred years old as concepts and doesn't capture the essence of intelligence very well.
Is the video you had to take down the same one that's in the (i) info box at the beginning?
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This type of test can actually demotivate an intelligent person like him! 😠
No way this dude calling you was legit. If they were serious and going to threaten legal action you would have received written notification, not a phone call from someone spamming different phone numbers.
Exactly
I am crying laughing at 2:13
The perfect deadpan delivery of "Take a look at Richard Feynman he was like a dumb piece of shit with [an IQ of 125]" is amazing. Especially since "dumb piece of shit" is in direct contradiction to the essence of Richard Feynman or the idea of scoring 125 on an IQ test.
@Anonymous Me you misread my comment my guy
@Anonymous Me lol
I was thinking the same
This sounds like a secret society. Their test, their table, not worth of it.