The WNBA Has A MAJOR Marketing Problem
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- Gilbert Arenas RIPS The WNBA's Major Marketing Problem as he and the Gils Arena Crew discuss the league’s unwillingness to promote their generational rookie class of Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese and Cameron Brink and open their eyes to the legions of fans looking to follow their favorite players from Women’s College Basketball to the WNBA.
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When Rashad basically said “women mad about attention they’re not getting but that they never had to begin with” 🤣🤣 great fucking point
Very succinct point. Sums up the whole issue. And the worst part of it is, is they'd rather cut the young girls down rather than promote them, which in turn would make them more popular. DT has gotten shit for what she said, and it hasn't made new fans want to watch her, it has done the opposite. I didn't know her before, but I'm already ready for her and her ilk to retire so the next generation can start start playing basketball without all of this negativity surrounding them.
if they weren't the reason for the attention, they don't have a need for it. It's weird to me, because if someone else's shine can help me then I'm all for it.
I love when someone throws out these truth nuggets. If he had a mic, he should have dropped it.
@@Jukeboxster Of course. You always work towards your own shine, but if you could get some free shine dropped on you. How are you going to say NO?
@@marisoltammero3331 he def should have. Them women are delusional and wouldn’t care if no one watched them if they made what nba players make ,they would say they don’t care bc they paid anyway , the all have modern women Mindsets we just want money and don’t wanna do anything for it but exist bc we’re women that’s it.
“You can’t feed us what we don’t want to eat” completely fair statement about the wnba years back. The problem is you can only say that on your own platform, say that on espn and see what happens.
What’s the alternative to helping the sport?
It's great to watch Caitlin and her team grow and the competition is not to bad but these players are so wrong not to put Caitlin and maybe even Angel on team USA there really shooting them selves in the foot so to say I can't believe they can't see that
This was the most realistic conversation I've heard on this topic of the WNBA. These rookies are bringing their own fanbase. Man that's so real. Good job men!
No it wasn’t because no one never brought up the point that these ladies are better basketball players yet Reese and Clark are being marketed like they are better players when the numbers and what’s going on during games show they aren’t close to being the best players that’s a problem your asking better talent to not play to their potential to let the popular players shine… any real competitive player is t going to do that… so cc will and is making all the money but she played in the wnba where AJa is queen and is the best player on the planet yet she suppose to pretend cc is better than her?
@Tha2ruth We know that CC and AR are not the best women basketball players in the WNBA. Probably not in the top 15 right now. But, they are the most popular. The best and the most popular is to different things. Aja probably been in the league how long. What 5 to 7 years? She is no doubt a great player. But, she hasn't been seen and really a lot of people don't know about her. They need to prop these young girls up because they have the big fanbase. So, you get more eyes on the league. Then, people that have never seen Aja and the rest of the ladies play. They get to see how great these ladies are. That's all their saying.
@Tha2ruth not at all. He's saying compete vs them. Shine, but don't hate.
@@bernet10j right we all no that but the problem is the narrative is that Clark is the best and the greatest ever and it’s not true and that everyone is jealous of her because she is better than them but it’s not true she can be the most popular that’s cool but don’t lie and disrespect the other player who are obviously better than her and Say she is the best not she is the most popular not close to being the best. You can’t tell me someone better than me and expect me to like when I prover day in and out I’m better that’s reality also.
@Tha2ruth I never said she was the best player in the league. I said she is the most popular by far. I see nothing wrong with that. I get what some of the women are feeling about CC. But that's not her doing. The people, the fans make that choice who's the most popular. Not the media. The media will ride that wave. Anybody or anything that's famous. It's driven by the people. No matter how much I want my shoes to sell. I think I deserve them to sell. I put in the work for them to sell. All that doesn't matter. It all boils down to what do the people like. I could have the best shoes on the market. But. if people don't want them. That's what it is. I'm saying that to say this. You get and earn what you deserve. It is jealous among the women in the league. You just pretty much said it yourself. It is human nature. You just said, "You're going to tell me someone is better than me, and I know that their not. That's a form of jealousy or envy like it or not. I know the word is not what people like. But, it's just the human in us.
Can you imagine if TEAM USA added Clark, Reese, & Brink to the team for 4th qtr minutes. Clark passing to Reese & vice versa. That would get blockbuster coverage. Missed opportunity
I agree.. little girls in Africa and China and Europe buying jerseys n being fans.. they messed up
yeah that would be on every broadcast
They would lose
@@chuckk2fuego76 they’re beating every team by 30 this yr
@@PaulVisionLee yea with the team they put together; I was responding to you adding the rookies. They’d lose with them. The Olympics is about winning not popularity the popularity comes after you win a gold.
The major narrative that SAVED the NBA when it was struggling was the Magic Vs. Bird rivalry. And yes, it was a continuation of a college rivalry.
It was a rivalry in Reese's head. CC just wants to play.
@@motherofthreeb6337To me, it seemed like Angel tried downplaying the situation multiple times, and the media kept spinning it. They never even acknowledged the 20 times she attempted to dead it.
@@derrionarringtontrue story
And it was about race
@@motherofthreeb6337if the world agrees thats its a rivalry then it can't just be in your head
The rookie ladies are popular because they're glamorous and honor their femininity.
Thank you. People don’t understand we want to see women’s basketball. Not wanna be men.
Boom!!!
Exactly
Facts plus the same issues men talk about in relationships happens outside of the opposite sex and we are seeing it now, im pretty sure guys didnt like mj magic and bird getting all this money and new attention but they understood the league needs it to grow
Now these older women want all the attention all the money and fame and dont want to move around for the young girls and they contactly will ruin everything to have there way and its sad to see its going to ruin the buissness one way or another
Exactly
That steak and chicken analogy the best way to explain this
Only problem is who wants a medium well steak
IT really was lol
@@ayetee11I dooo 🤷🏾♂️
@@ayetee11 you can hide it it you put a lot of mushrooms and onions on top!
Good analogy....
But
Chicken goes with EVERYTHING, steak only a certain foods to eat.
I can't wait for the new fans to leave.
He put it best. The new fans aren’t new “wnba” fans… they’re Caitlin, Angel, Cameron, etc fans following their careers. The women can’t wrap their heads around that
That's how the nba grew. College players who did their 3-4 years and came to the league with a following.
@@moses0686The NBA grew because of supremely talented men jumping clean over other grown men. They didn't need to use race as a way to draw the wrong type of attention to their sport 😂😂😂 None of the attention they're getting has anything to do with the sport of basketball.
@@Billabongbabalog wrong
@@Billabongbabalog What? That is exactly what the NBA did...In the late 1970s, the NBA struggled with declining viewership. The arrival of Bird and Magic in 1979 marked a turning point. Their rivalry, beginning with the 1979 NCAA championship game, drew significant media attention which followed when they were drafted into the NBA, and race was definitely an underlying issue then as well.
@@WolfDT991 "Underlying" It is now the driving factor behind the increase in viewership. The product is still garbage. The attitudes are still garbage. Only 1 thing changed.
WNBA might be the only business that doesn’t shamelessly push the most popular thing. Vs NFL pushed Taylor swift cause why not right free money 🤷🏾♂️
😂😂😂 lol Taylor swift is marketed w no shame
@@misspiscesdreamz Yup. Isn't she also doing the half time show next year? The NFL is milking that one like the Borden cow.
Preach.
@@marisoltammero3331Don't get it twisted though she's gaining tons of fans from the NFL also.
@@Bob-te3le The new power couple of the NFL.
Is McCants on his way to a Nigerian church 😂😂
😂😂
Bahahaha
Man I'm dead
@@LenaFrancis-nv6yv 🤣🤣😝
OMG!!!! Or a wedding 😂😂
Clark and Reese on team Usa wouldve been a movie
It would have been great.... and if Christian Laettner was allowed to be on the Dream Team then i dont understand why Caitlin Clark cant play in the olympics this year. smh
I’m telling you! That shit woulda been 🔥🔥🔥🔥 The WNBA is an absolute mess. If they don’t humble themselves this will be the nail in the coffin for this league.
💯💪🏾 but would have killed phil cook marketing
@@moebetta08 🤣
Lol remember what they're saying the vets don't the rookies it'll be hard to trust them.... Lol the dumbest shhhh I've heard in awhile.
Rashad McCants had me rollin when he was telling Diana Taurasi to move the fuck around 😂😂😂
His fit is like a Nigerian church though
My boy said "LeBron come to town, shine the light on this roach" I'm dying. Lol😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂
That comment was wild 😂😂
Mccants be killing me with the, "move the f around."
🤣🤣
Really though this was the most coherent, concise and understandable point he's ever made.
Facts he’s crazy but I be understanding him when I’m high af .. He’s on it
He's right though. Vets like Taurasi are supposed to be ushering in the new blood and she's failing at that responsibility. She had her time, and now when it's clearly not her time anymore she doesn't want to move aside.
“Diana taurasi move the fu*ck around!”
😂😂😂😂 facts
She never was hating on Catlin all she was stating that's actually true is, she is not gonna have it easy. It's different from what she did in college. And if he was saying she needs to retire. Why LeBron 40 and still playing
@@deeporter623even with that she’s old now those spots need to be opened up for the younger players
@@deeporter623 women are passive aggressively saying these things,that’s still hating,don’t be naive,women are naturally jealous of each other
@@deeporter623 There was a bit of envy in Diana's comments. Caitlin came into the league already a millionaire. An accomplished player like Diana Taurasi who is at the end of her career feel slighted by basketball, NCAA, NIL, and advertisers who are placing Caitlin, Angel, Camron on a pedestal. All the talk was about Caitlin Clark, Diana was tired of hearing it. Her comments about Clark were a call to action, she wanted her fellow WNBA vets to join her in proving Caitlin was not that girl. It was intentional.
Imagine if Angel would stand with CC publicly and say, “CC absolutely has a target on her back as we all do; but we’re here to stay, and this rookie class is coming so get used to it.” The endorsements would overflow!! It’s co$tly to stand with haters in this branding era! 🤔
I think collectively the rookie class should do what u suggested and stand up to those bull daggin brauds that’s taking cheap shots😎
It’s too late for that they would not believe it.
This is the best conversation and most truth spoken on the WNBA & Caitlyn Clark dynamic! 🍸 to you Gil!
The NBA pushes the next stars and men understand that. They “the men” saw Zion and Ja coming. They didn’t hate on them, we realized the eyeballs will be on those guys. Therefore, raising visibility for everyone.
I like Cameron brink 😍😍
Usually, I don't like em that slim, but it's something about her.
Facts
She top tier sexy💯🔥🔥😜
@@antoniojames9493 she white meat....yum
Me too!!!
Hibachi killed this one respect 🫡
No he didn't.
They can hug her or beat her, the other players still get paid.
He did fmost definitely.
@@MrMakemusicmikeu slow. they are not getting paid enough
@@fackery8438 we know that dumbass.
FEELINGS always override LOGIC when women are involved and nothing in the world will ever change that
*woman here…. this is facts😂*
WNBA players better stop with them Jordan rules. Y'all gonna mess up your meal ticket.
the "meal-tickets" obviously NCAAW, where these players are coming from = there are MORE players better than CC, coming out of college/university, within the next few years, so the WNBA will benefit from that, since those girls are already making money, marketing themselves, their teams & schools, who've BEEN making LARGE fortunes, the past few years from NCAAW basketball alone = this is the first group of "NIL" players, who make money in the WNBA draft = everyone wanted to see if their DEALS translate over to the "pro's" = they have = now we're going to see how the NBA/ESPN make better investments to make the league better = last time I checked, Angel Reese makes MORE MONEY than Caitlin, has the highest "NIL" deal, for any female athlete, in NCAA, has a deal with Reebok before Caitlin signed with Nike, has her own shoes like Caitlin & has increased tickets sales/TV viewership for CHI = Angel's also ranked #2 rookie vs. CC ranked #4 = Angel's actually doing MUCH better than Caitlin, in her rookie-campaign + might win "ROTY" over her = be careful what you wish for
sound so dumb lol
As much as I love MJ and he’s my GOAT, the NBA was still going to do what it was going to do. They had a lot of charismatic, exciting players coming into the NBA. Caitlyn will survive like MJ. Stop treating her like Miss Anne or Miss Daisy.
As a 90s NBA fan, I love the physicality in the WNBA. You dudes have been watching that shake n bake, 3pt bombing BS so long, you don’t realize the NBA had better ratings in the 90s.
It's not even close to the Jordan rules but I get what you mean
@@DaFactsNoNonsense1713facts because of Clark wins I'm done with wnba
Put this in perspective mj 15 year career 94 mil Tobias Harris never a all star made 200 mill … they better let cc grow the game
That’s a wild stat.
It’s 100s of players made more than mj hell Jordan Poole makes more than mj
Jordan signed a long term deal right before free agency went crazy. He made most of his money with endorsements.
@@moses0686exactly, MJ fully honored his deal (3-4 mill/year) so they could build a team (and he was making MUCH more in endorsements) not many guys woulda done that. Then he made them pay with the $33 mill/year (96/97 & 97/98) the highest all-time single season salary at the time and wasn’t surpassed for the next 20 years until Steph. Think of that, with how much the NBA and salaries have exploded, it was 20 years until someone made more than MJ did (now it’s broken every season)
Horrible contract
The part not said YOU ARENT going to pick up any of their fans if you are treating the person they followed there badly 👏👏👏
Ima need this show to keep WNBA players off the show from now on. When Lexie and Swoops aren’t on here, yall be doing GREAT JOURNALISM about the WNBA. When both of them are on, yall be QUIETER THAN A CHURCH MOUSE lmao. Keep it boys only. Thanks. We don’t need the emotional takes. I can’t imagine what this topic would’ve been like if they were on the show.
Lexie will get in her feelings if they bring it up, so what's the use? she'd be saying the same crap that Mcnutt and Ogwumike are saying.
@@Jukeboxster that’s exactly what I’m saying! Keep the WNBA players offf the show!
Wait till Juju come 😬
This who I’m waiting on 😂 and Paige ! Smh then I’ll really start watching and giving a damn bcs they true hoopas like when I say shooters shoot ..they really going to be pissed 😤 😂
Endorsements money coming for her in the millions
facts. Juju got that dawg in her too. i cant wait
@@GuerrillaxMoBxVILLAIN definition of empty the clip
Alijah Chaves the #1 player in the senior class in high school might be the next Caitlin Clark. She's cold.
Those other chicks don't have the same style CC & the rookies have. They just need to embrace it or get phased tf out. Their style of play didn't attract us. This rookie class has
WNBA is foolish for leaving Reese and Clark off the team. They have won 9 of 12 Women's Olympics overall and the last 7. You have an opportunity to promote these stars who people clearly want to see on a global scale with your league in position to make millions of dollars and new fans. Also you will likely win the Olympics again anyway. It's the easiest and ultimate win win for women's basketball, especially the WNBA.
Gil is 100% right about A'ja. She runnin the WNBA
“Facts don’t care about your feelings” was never more on display than this. A smart and logical business decision is like the tide that raises all ships
That WNBA owner needs to sit down with that entire Rookie class and thank them 𝐀𝐋𝐋!!
The Vets in WNBA would be smarter to make themselves court rivals than cheap shot artists.
Just match up on both sides of the floor like Jordan and Dominique and go at each other that way. That strategy will create a storyline alone and all you would need for a Stardom spot.
Coach Cheryl Reeve is the reason why Caitlin Clark is not on the Olympic team. Just check her comments she has made about Caitlin Clark , angel, Reese, should also be on the team. When do you bring the new players in?
2028
I hope Aja watch this and listens to what Gil is saying about that contract vs salary cap boom situation
What people have to keep in mind is that we’re talking about WOMEN.. jealousy.. attention craving.. moody emotions.. will be a factor no matter what
Angel, Brink, etc are selling with low promotion. Imagine if they marketed them all the same way. Theyd build better!
Steak and Chicken analogy was perfect.
You can’t feed us something we don’t wanna eat… legend
Right also people want who they can relate too. The population has small amount of lgbt. So the market is small. As opposed to these ladies that are straight and good looking.
We all know what they need to do to market their sport… but nobody wanna say it lol
Ayo you outta pocket 😂
And then you'll complain about it later
Ass and titties
A Cameron brink looking chick to be the best player in the league and another chick that looks like her who’s also good💯🤷🏿♂️
✂️
The only teams getting views on WNBA Full Game Highlights are Indiana and Chicago and it is not even close. Two rookies are driving all of the new business for the WNBA.
I got into the WNBA this year for Caitlin alone. I could care less about the other women in the draft class.
You forgot to mention, all those high stat, high ticket sales all comes from the Fever games.
He just stated angel reese sold out the mystics game 😅😂
@bozo_btown5257 ... 8 thousands people but CC had 20 thousands at the Mystics game
@@redmanjohnson4616it’s still an increase in ticket sales..c.c is not the only one people are coming to see
@@redmanjohnson4616I think it's two different venues for the Mystics.....
@redmanjohnson4616 they capped the arena at 10000 for the Sky vs Mystics game. Stop pushing a false narrative
great show!!! When Paige, Ju Ju and that girl at Baylor arrive they are going to have to hate some more. Once the money change many are going to have to play overseas and they really going to miss out on the money.
that's the way it's headed, and in 2-3 years there's going to be an entire narrative about how CC and others pushed them out of the league. I would bet anything on it.
When Tiger hit the PGA his success drove up sponsorships and all PGA player benefited because prize funds increased. WNBA players are mad because they are benefiting from all of the extra fans watching their games. Only the owners are benefiing right now.
This clip needs to go viral. The WNBA needs to watch this clip and learn.
These are FACTS! Play the game within the game don’t fumble the 💰before it gets presents itself
The WNBA has a skill problem. Missed layups is far too common.
Easy fix. Lower rims by a couple inches. But they are resistant to upgrading the product.
@@Jazz-sl3jx they may view that as degrading the game of basketball though. They already shoot a smaller ball.
This is the best take I’ve ever seen come off this show everybody spoke so well. Subscribed.
One-third of all attendance belongs to Clark, and more from the jerseys and merch sales. Take Clark away and all of it tanks big time.
• 12:39 PREACH RASHAD!!!
• 17:55 | 25:01 PREACH GIL!!!
It's sad lisa Leslie had to do that with draymond
McMoses splitting the red sea
Crazy thing is Diana Turasi hype was high back in the day…. Just social media wasn’t close to what it was now
She's queer sponsors don't want that
Gil, im glad you said what you did about the "new" fans. No fan owes anyone anything. that has to be earned.
And to take it a step further it’s about gay vs straight as well the new school are feminine and they look good and the others can’t stand it tbh
Bullseye.
I’d bet both of Britni Grinders nuts that if CC was a black lezy shed be starting for Team USA!
bingo
CC is bigger than the WNBA..a billionaire could start a new league recruit CC for one of the teams and get better ratings than the WNBA
So wrong
@@unitynow6043he meant multiple multi billion dollar investors
Good clip, I enjoyed the breakdown and the conversation.
Angel Reese became famous in college during their epic championship run. Her and Flauje. She became a millionaire shortly after, while still in school. This is the Magic/Bird story all over again. JuJu is Jordan. Wait and see.
This was the best explanation of the wnba veterans against this rookie class. They should embrace these ladies because all of them will benefit.
Still have never met someone that watches the wnba
Shid us gamblers damn sure watching 😂
@@tipwewurkk6639ay bruh them lines the easiest to call right now 😂
@@qthequick big fucking facts I can't call the finals to save my life 😂 but these wnba unders stay hitting
And yet somehow there are viewers and viewership growing. Starts somewhere but your low IQ response makes it easy to see why you and others don’t get that. Keep spitting out the same regurgitated garbage all the other ignorant people keep spouting.
Why even comment on a video about the WNBA then? If you don't care, why don't you actually go ahead and don't care?
Let’s all be honest, nobody in the world was talking about the WNBA like this last year until this year when Clark got drafted.
Your commentary is fantastic! I agree with EVERYTHING you said! I'd like to offer several thoughts inspired by your discussion. First, your comment that the NEW fans the rookie class bring with them are girls, ages 8-18. And of course, they plead with their parents to buy them jerseys, take them to games, and buy a WNBA pass. You see families sitting together in the stands.
It's a VERY different demographic from the traditional sports fans (men) that have been watching the WNBA, and it takes a different kind of marketing to keep this new audience.
The rookies look like celebrities in the eyes of their young fans. Caitlin appears on Saturday Night Live, and greeted Ashton Kutcher with a hug at the LA Sparks game. Angel Reese modeled for Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue and went to the Met Gala. Angel dresses up in fashionable outlets to arrive at her games and leave afterward, and now other young WNBA players are following her example. Many of the rookie class wore clothes by prestigious designers to Draft Night. Caitlin was the very first to wear Prada to such an event.
Caitlin signs autographs after every game and is gracious to her young fans. A recent clip showed her having a bit of fun playing one-on-one with a young boy fan - and then obtaining free tickets to the game for his whole family, right on the hardwood. You can bet that every parent who sees that video clip and hears about the gift of game tickets for the family will look favorably upon their children becoming fans of Caitlin.
Who do you think will buy Caitlin's Nike sneakers and Wilson basketballs? The biggest audience will be parents with children. And when you look at the fans sitting in the stands, there are a LOT of children in 22 jerseys with either Iowa or Fever logos. An adult man who is a traditional WNBA fan might buy himself one jersey, and maybe one pair of shoes. But Caitlin's fans are buying jerseys and shoes for the whole family, and every year those children will need new shoes.
The established WNBA players probably care nothing for fashion or social media. But.... those who are still under 35 COULD start taking a page from the books of the rookies and show up in stylish outfits for the games, greet the children, etc. A brand can sell products to the same family for several years as the children grow up.
And children who grow up enjoying WNBA games may continue to be fans as adults.
Right now the world wants to listen to Taylor even if Queen Bey is killing.
Horrible example! Bey ain’t missing anything bc of TS! 😂😂😂
At least Taylor writes her own shit
New players need to earn respect from the current players. Established players need to earn the viewership 💯💯💯
Gil has platinum takes on the regular
A'ja already blew it by race baiting saying Clark is only popular coz she white - she contributed to all this black victimhood chaos and then black players started cheap shotting Clark - Reese, Vivian, Chennedy, Carrington, etc. Fans will always remember and have tuned them out.
I think aja is right
Which she is right. If cailtin Clark was black nobody would gaf , the media paints her as “the great white hope” like Larry bird.
Also y’all keep talking like Caitlin Clark is a angel and sweet person on the court, she’s dirty as well.
@@thegoat4617 Nobody said she was an angel, just classy and proper, not trashy.
@@kwasimalvoux2168 Funny. I never thought about her being white, the same thing I never minded about Steph Curry being black, until all these black victimhood whining came along. Trust the Americans to always make it about race or something, it's exhausting.
Literally her college games vs angel Reese became a race war in the eyes of the media
But what did the WNBA or legends actually say to push back on these rookies? Or is it just fans online that's talking sh*t?
Gill 1000% correct on this one, nobody of course doing CC number but Angel right behind her and people constant find any way to discredit her bro she’s averaging a double double as a rookie 🤯
I bought the league pass because i wanted to watch CC, last night i watched Lynx v Sparks and ong Napheesa Collier might be my new favorite player!!
Gil hit it on the nail!💯 And I don't be agreeing with him on a lot of things.
Gil straight up preaching about the salary cap stuff. Dropping gems 💎💯🔥
wnba doesn't want to succeed. they want to destroy it. they would rather play for 500 fans
9:05 did gil just say medium-well 😂
That was wild for a filet mignon
I want some chicken with wings on it now
FACTS! One of the BEST takes on this subject!
Dr.umar put some heat on yall its not just caitlyn
He’s the man. He’s a real brother. Can’t stand these blm hypocrites who pedestalize my women. They’re too foolish to understand these women are just gold digging. Everyone knows MIXING is low brow and degenerate
Bingo!
LMFAO 😂😂😂
EXACTLY!!!!
It is though 🤷🏽♂️
Marketing players don't matter ask the Veteran players of the wnba.
Caitlin's logo shot is the closest thing to a dunk. People didn't want to see NBA players beat up on each other and definitely don't want to see women beat up on each other. Folks get physical when they don't have talent and skill. Aja is Shaq, but folks came to see Kobe and AI. For the sake of the game, Taurasi could have publicly taken the high road and embraced Caitlin while going at her on the court. There's a difference between competitiveness and hate.
nah aja is more of a kobe...other than that i agree
@@PaperboyPrinceeaja Tim Duncan
Bs. Angel only doing numbers in her home area. CC did more than double that. CC sells out everywhere and does gate records. Angel does not.
"Caitlin Clark is the sole reason why viewership has shot through the roof for our game - the sole reason," South Carolina women's basketball coach Dawn Staley
(6/6/24) Washington Mystics vs Chicago Sky: 10,000 in Attendance
(6/7/24) Washington Mystics vs Indiana Fever: 20,333 in Attendance
(5/24/24) LA Sparks vs Indiana Fever @ Crypto Arena: 19,103 in Attendance (More than Lakers)
(6/9/24) LA Sparks vs Las Vegas Aces @ Crypto Arena: 13,900 in Attendance
Angel has drown 49k in 6 games (about 15% jump)
CC has drawn 99k in 6 games (about 300% jump) and the road numbers are Sikk, It’s CC getting the huge road numbers.
That's only because we are the minority. This whole thing between them is about race. Of course C.C is going to do more when there are more of you'll.
@@Joegoog2321 Chicago already went back to DC and this time they only did 4200. CC did more in one game than Chicago in two games. It's ridiculous now.
@@mrs.lovely8527 That's a lame assumption and excuse. White people aren't giving the existing white superstars the same attention.
The WNBA should send this clip to all players coaches and staff and they should be forced to watch it. Excellent breakdown of exactly what is happening. Gil was a great player and he is so far pretty good at this podcast thing.
This has been my favorite take from y'all. Excellent work gentlemen!
The attention was gonna go off you when it was not on you , we weren’t really watching like that… great quote
Gilbert is right in his financial analysis. The problem is that Caitlin Clark can't play the way she did in college, unless the women in the WNBA don't even try to defend her. She has MAJOR flaws in her game, specifically her ball handling and her overall skill set.
In other words, Caitlin Clark is Tim Tebow . . . a widely popular player with a limited skill set in the pros. Tebow had his pro moment, but couldn't sustain it due to his lack of overall QB skills. Let's see if Caitlin can at least live up to 75% of her hype.
She can work on being average on all those flaws. But her shooting will be her elite trait to separate in 2 years.
She's on an AWFUL team. If she just shows sparks of her potential this season she will continue being the face of the league
She’s already beat TWO wnba records but ok 😂
oh man talk about a lazy comparison. Tim Tebow was a bad NFL QB, like bottom tier. There's no way you could make an argument that CC is one of the worst players in the league. She's about 75th percentile in efficiency. She has a higher FG% than Jewell Loyd who is a 5x WNBA all-star, higher efficiency than Kelsey Plum. bad take bro, maybe she never becomes the GOAT but she's not a bad player, even right now. Tim Tebow was bad.
You briefly touched on a point that deserves more exploration. You commented that people who were fans of players during their college years will follow their favorite players into watching them play in the WNBA. I agree.
Historically, the ranks of the WNBA have been loaded with players from the same small number of colleges - UConn, South Carolina, etc. And that small number of colleges has a limited number of fans available to follow the players produced by those colleges. There's a saturation point, though, of how many fans from those places will follow their alumni's college careers. The prestigious programs have reached that saturation point.
This year, the WNBA picked up 3 University of Iowa graduates - Caitlin Clark, Kate Martin, and Megan Gustafson. (Megan is a bit older, and has been playing in Europe.) Iowa fans have rallied around all three of them. Iowa fans are watching not only Fever games on tv, but also Aces, because we love all three of our Hawkeye women. All 3 of them are praised in social media posts about the WNBA games.
The arenas who host college football bowl games have figured out that Iowa fans love our players, even when our teams are so-so. Iowa football receives bowl invitations simply because the hosting arenas know our fans will show up in large numbers to support our team. Every large or medium-sized city has an "I club".
And now you're seeing that Hawkeye loyalty extending to the WNBA. I guarantee that a substantial number of the fans who show up at the games to watch Caitlin play all over the country have ties to Iowa - having either grown up here, or gone to college here. A lesser number will go see the Aces, but for sure some Iowa fans will go see Megan and Kate play if the Aces come to their cities.
I'm willing to place bets that if the LA Sparks had added Monica Czinano to their roster last year instead of waiving her, they would have gotten a boost in attendance from Iowa fans. Admittedly, not the size of crowds that Caitlin draws, but Monica was Caitlin's post player in the 2023 NCAA tournament when Iowa beat South Carolina in the Final Four and went on to face LSU. Iowa fans definitely know who she is and would support her. We were excited when she was drafted, and disappointed when she was waived.
The WNBA makes its roster choices based on "skill". You emphasized "skill" many times in your discussion, and you're right. I do understand the reasoning - the teams want to build the winning rosters, and winning games is important. But maybe bringing on a few players from lesser known college programs would pay off by attracting fans of those colleges who previously paid no attention to the WNBA due to not having players on rosters.
what Gil said at the end was❤🔥... the argument is unassailable ...
The AReese bots are working hard this fathers day weekend.
Get off her 🍆 you losers are in these comments hating on a lil girl y'all need real help fr
@@pitoseavy4523 Triggered much? Female energy 😂
It is not black and white thing…..it is a female thing.
Nah
The NBA doesn't mind promoting the heck out of its rookies e.g Wembanyama. The WNBA would rather promote the same players that we already weren't watching 😂😂😂😂
to be fair, Wemby should maybe have been pushed more. All Star Game, DPOY. He's got me watching basketball again.
When did u start watching the wnba?
That tank analogy was so on point!
This discussion was 100% right on point. Now, if the WNBA and their players can accept it and take advantage of it - I doubt it...
Wonder if they gonna hate juju watkins like Caitlin clark
Well said.I commented on many podcasts on this subject.Well said.The WNBA has always been talented.But many players and analysts associated with the league don't understand the big picture.Its a businees.Do it right and everyone will eat well.👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
How would a Paige Bueckers and Caitlin Clark backcourt next season with Boston down low look?
Reeses shine came from playing at LSU. Their team was stacked and their coach is a superstar herself. She's excellent but the pull isn't comparable
D T is not as good as c C any time in her career D T was all ways on power house teams
The old guards did not want the youngsters in. It is run like a "Breakfast Club". The All-star game exposed it.
The WNBA should’ve done the Magic and Byrd Scenario with Angel and Caitlin and promote the hell of the these ATHLETES.
I really hope the players and management see this
The only way these ladies can compete with Caitlin or Angel stardom is for them to be promoted more from their talent. grass that is watered grow faster same thing with players. Caitlin is known because she's all over sports center she's all over the news it's not her talent she's being super promoted.
I wish all the ladies well in their professional pursuits. I'm not specfically a fan of any WNBA player. The league still looks like scrimmage matchups and I can't watch an entire game in one setting.
But to be fair, I turn off regular season NBA games when everybody just throwing up 3s and playing 0 to no defense🤷🏽♀️ This isn't my era of bb, hasn't been for 20 years now😢
Unfortunately I think they’re doing this in order to not piss off the veteran players. I can’t believe how badly they are fumbling this opportunity.