I'm sure Kitkat adverts are exactly what he intended when he wrote the books! Icecream, How could he not want his brand on an icecream?! It's going to be glorious just wait till it's out and season 3! Well, what did you think of the interviews and George R.R. Martins comments? To be so amazed that a fan could not just like more content :O Let me know your thoughts down below, and as always, thanks for watching :)
Where’s my Rings of Power Skittles? Remember “Taste the Rainbow?” Edit: To be clear Amazon marketing LoTR like this is wholly disgusting. I’m all for capitalism but not at the expense of Tolkien’s legacy. LoTR isn’t a some generic idea you can slap onto a cereal box. It’s a beloved work of literature not to be exploited by a bunch of amoral hacks.
I found your channel couple weeks ago, you are in fire! I love your passion and you got really good insight of things. I have loved Tolkien works over 30 years, and i hate this shit what they do!! 🤮 Amazon is amazing company, take world best story and make it world worst show! 👏👏
I guess it's okay for me to make an official rewrite of Song of Ice and Fire where it's a world of talking poop people and instead of fighting with swords they poop more poop at one another. He should approve because things have to change regardless of who does it. In fact, he should happily promote my work for me and ensure I get proceeds. What an a-hole.
"Back to the book, back to the book, back to the book." That book they kept going back to was actually Amazon's "diversity, inclusion, and modernity" how-to policy
I think what they actually meant is that every time they didnt know what to do, they would turn their back to the book, back to the book, back to the book.
Thing is, when I was watching interviews of the the old cast from Jacksons LotR movies I felt like some of those actors truly loved their craft and were incredibly happy to have had the privilege of playing those roles. Like they made part of those characters their own and part of themselves into the characters they portrayed. This is especially true for Ian McKellen, Christopher Lee, Viggo Mortensen and Sean Bean. All of them took their roles seriously. With the Rings of Power cast I get the impression that they aren't actors at all, just activists who took the opportunity to get screen time to spread their message, and they're just putting up with all that pesky nerd stuff but actually loathe it.
Yep! They all seemed so happy to do it, and they still talk about it today. And they also made meaningful friendships that last till today, Dom and Billy even started a podcast together. Maybe the actors on this show are friends as well, but I doubt they'll still be best friends in 20+ years.
I wonder in which episode that a group of them glue themselves to a track like Extinction Rebellion? If they do, I certainly hope that they don't say "You shall not pass". Knowing what the show runners are doing though, it wouldn't surprise me at all.
Compared to the actors from the original trilogy they seem superficial and false. I suppose they're just following the studio line and doing what they'e been told to do.
That's most probably because showrunners and actors *DO* loathe Tolkien and his work and all the pesky nerd stuff. There is such a massive emphasis on activism and being self-absorbed that I think that even those who never read Tolkien or saw the trilogy or The Hobbit could have a hard time getting past that and into the story. Because the whole clumsy promotion of Rangs of Power is about *NOTHING ELSE* than blatant activism. And selling ice cream.
Funny how they used the analogy of Tolkien writing as a beautiful plot of land and they were searching for the oil on it. Reminds me of the Scouring of the Shire, defiling and corrupting something beautiful.
Sort of like an undeveloped estate whose original owners requested that the land remained a garden forever. Yes since there is no other development or ruins to build around, you have a rare blank slate where you could build anything you wanted without making some compromises you otherwise would have to. But as soon as you build something there you destroy something sacred that was left untouched for a reason, not just for you to play around with.
Very on point. In the books, the contrast between the landside of The Shire and the pollution of Isengard and Mordor reflected Tolkien's worry about the rise of industrialization. These faux actors are really showing just how badly they neither know nor care about the source material.
“Tolkien’s writing is like a beautiful plot of land, Like Flanders, or the Somme. So we decided to destroy everything we could in sight, like in Flanders, or the Somme.” And yes, I chose the Somme because none of these Amazon fanboys have a clue Tolkien stepped foot there, for anyone wondering.
I'm a black guy and when I was growing up I loved each character I just couldn't decide which I wanted to be the most until the moment Frodo leaves middle earth where I imagined being a hobbit having my own adventures not wishing there was a black hobbit for me to feel represented.
Tolkien did indeed leave a plot of land, a plot he had planted and had flourished into a beautiful garden. It brought people from all corners of the land to see what Tolkien had produced. Then some trespassers with naught, but greed on their minds came upon the plot. Indeed they did strike oil when they dug into the earth, but having neither the talent nor skills to capture it, the oil spilled into the garden threatening to poison all the plot.
Their analogy of Tolkien’s work being a large field where they needed to dig for oil perfectly summarizes everything Tolkien hated about the post industrial revolution world. The fact they use oil fields and drilling as an analogy for the creation of this series shows they fundamentally do not understand Tolkien or his stories.
It began with the forging of the Great Rings. Three were given to the Elves, mortal, black and the loudest of all beings. Seven to the Gay-lords, the overly-offended, but “bravest” of the mountain halls. And nine, nine rings were gifted to the race of “men”, who, above all else, desire to be women.
Does tolkien actually describe women? Are women cannon in tolkien? What are they in the tolkien universe? Edit: disclaimer for noobs, this comment is satirical
You should write a full length Lord of the Rings parody. Because your comment is honestly a lot more entertaining. Then what this pasty TH-camr is whining about.
So I'm confused. This actor said he dreamt of being an elf, but there were no elves that looked like him. Did he want to be an elf or not? Legions of little kids who want to be Transformers or what have you are not at all dissuaded by the fact that they look nothing like a giant, metallic robot, either. What's this guy's problem?
Plus "I always wanted to be an elf" just sounds like bs to be honest. It's not like that was actually a possibility for ANYONE regardless of skin colour. Can you imagine? At a recruitment office a young Caucasian man with long hair is being asked what sort of career he wants...."Well, I want to be an elf!" XD But "I always wanted to be an elf" is the sort of thing that's easy for an actor to say AFTER they've been cast in a role, that makes it SOUND like this is just the right role for them. So much sales talk from the cast and crew on this one, instead of plot or character points that would get someone interested in the story.
"Now it seems half of the people who call themselves Star Trek fans hate Star Trek and the Tolkien fans hate Rings of Power. What the hell?" Well, Mr. Martin, that's because that half of the fans recognize that what is currently being produced under the titles of Star Trek and Rings of Power have very little other than Nomenclature in common with the properties they are so invested in. It's a bit like Lamborghini announcing that under new management, they're opening a new vehicle line, and then presenting 4 new models of tricycles. Do you see where fans might be a bit... disappointed?
"I love historical Chinese dramas, but I always felt sad that there was never anyone who looked like me in them. So when the chance to audition for Wu Zetian came, I was so happy I got the role as a strong black woman of color. Now, people like me can see our race properly depicted in Eastern historical pieces." Would be batshit to say something like that and expect something like that to happen. Why some people can't understand that some stories won't have people that look like you and that's not a bad thing, is a mystery to me. I dislike the messages this thing is sending. You have to be stereotypically manly as a woman to be a strong female character. You have to depict real world racial demographics in your stories otherwise it's wrong (code for racist). The only thing that matters is your skin color, not a culture or a history. In works like Tolkien's that's all about how history and culture impacted groups of people, seeing white characters essentially draped in a black skin to score cheap diversity points is disgusting. It's like asking for a birthday party but all you get is a party planned for somebody else. The person who'd give you something like that is not your friend. Those show runners just want to do their own GoT styled bs and used Tolkien and the diversity hires as both their sword and shield.
"You have to depict real world racial demographics in your stories otherwise it's wrong (code for racist)." ---No offense, but this is NOT what they're doing. 1-2% of the population is gay. In film and series, it's 10 times that. In Britain, 3% of the population is black. In series, it's about 20%. In the U.S. about 6% of police Captains are black. In series, it's about 50%. And so on...
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As a huge fan of Chinese historical dramas, whose 2nd favourite movie of all times is Red Cliff (the 5 hour version), and... as a Slavic woman; I have to say I am happy af that Chinese historical dramas are made by the Chinese. Because if Hollywood was in charge; by now, we sure as heck WOULD have a black sword wielding xiao qiao bettering Cao Cao in a sword fight and a latino zhuge liang rap battling a white Sun Quin, so help me... In fact, I am convinced John Woo went to China to make Red Cliff because Holywood would DEMAND black people in the movie. Just like you, I can't possibly understand these "nobody in the story has the same skin colour as I do so I can't relate" troglodytes taking over the world. Maybe Drahomir is right, maybe it's exactly that. ( And I mean, I'm not going to lie, I would literally soil my pants if Zhang Fengyi found his way to LotR. But as Khamul the Easterling or an original Easterling character. Can you imagine a character he is capable of playing, with just the right balance of sympathetic and villanous, sent down a road of becoming a Nazgul? You can have a season or 2 seasons of just that; a perfect tragic story focusing on mortality, it's consequences and what happens if one does not accept it. But I bet if they DID get him, they'd cast him as a sword fighting dwarf because tilted eyes + yellow skin on dwarfs - CHECK! )
I would love it if an actor, instead of blathering on about activism, simply said "I'm an actor, they pay me and I say the words. And they're paying me quite well for this one."
Robert Mitchum said: "This is not a tough job. You read a script. If you like the part and the money is OK, you do it. Then you remember your lines. You show up on time. You do what the director tells you to do. When you finish, you rest and then go on to the next part. That's it."
Or even better, an actor that is passionate about Tolkien and starts speaking about lore that he actually knows instead of real life experiences that his limited life seems to dominate his entire existence. Instead, actors that would love to be part of a Tolkien movie are sidelined for "correct" skin color and "correct" political views activists.
Got to love how Martin completely removes any obligation from the writer to write something good. Its just "but you liked Brand before, why dont you like it now?" Seriously how arrogant do you have to be to omit an obligation towards quality? People dont like consuming shit George just because it has a certain logo on it.
Yup! I think he's saying this because he loves being accepted by others, so now he's saying this crap to be buddy-buddy with his new Hollywood friends. If he was being honest with himself, he'd know this doesn't pass the smell test. Then again, the guy's actually put Tolkien's work down (comparing it to his more brutal and sexual fiction), so, maybe he just sees what he wants to see. Moron.
He can't even imagine how his own lore might be perverted after he's dead into something he probably wouldn't have wanted. Or maybe he would. He let the last 2 seasons of GoT happen.
Hack Fraud Martin got exposed as a literary con man over the "GoT" debacle, he now has to cover his ass by jumping on the "blame the fans" bandwagon. It's a lot easier than writing those two novels he promised his own fans.
well he`s a brand fanatic now isnt he and he wonders why he cant write the final book or 2 for his series, which is his legacy, he saw with his own eyes what the ended up with on screen of his legacy, but he too busy chasing the brand now. ironically if he doesnt manage to get the final book/books written maybe we can let these writers have a shot, people miss the fact that Christopher Tolkien dedicated a lifetime piecing together and seeing published his fathers legacy, for what? i mean it isnt like the source material isn`t there for these arseholes to adapt. there was nothing left out, he died at age 96 he was 39 years old when his father died that`s 57 years. and amazon hires these woke mouth breathers to adapt Tolkiens legacy.
This thing about "there weren't characters that looked like me, so I have to be part of the cast in order to fix that" sounds like narcissism masked as "social justice"
I am asian and i dont care if there are no one in the movie that resembles me. I loved lord of the rings since I was young. They have ruined it completely.
There's a great line in the movie Amistad where John Quincy Adams says that by trying to be all things to all people, you end up being nothing.. to no one.
If Amazon wanted to make up a new story within middle earth, they should have done a story based on the 2 blue wizards that went east. A pure blank canvas to explore there. Instead they just shat in their hands and clapped. They get what they deserve.
Agreed, but of course just like they're using the LOTR name for their ridiculous fan fiction show (but they won't honor the spirit of book), they want to use names of characters people know to help them get attention for the show. Sauron and Galadriel being the main ones I guess - whose character they won't honor either judging by the trailers.
The part where Disparu points out the commercialization of a hand-crafted series of stories designed to satisfy a lack of generational -British- _English_ myths with the sale of KitKats... Literal chills up my spine from... Despair. Edit: Your welcome all. Great arguments made for securing the myths in this thread. I hope Disparu makes note of them. And as one already noted, yes, I knew the difference between Great Britain and England. I also know the difference between an English muffin, and croissant....
I never got Tolkien's insistance of a lack of British mythology. It not like Celtic mythology wasn't a thing. Also there's the very obvious King Arthur myth.
@@tanjaborozan7298 In that case the Anglo-Saxons were Germanic immigrants. They already had their mythology from Northern Germany. Which itself had similarities to the Celts, due to their divergent cultures. That was well known during Tolkien's time.
@@KSmithwick1989 King Arthur is not Celtic. Most Celtic culture and knowledge in Britain got erased and replaced by the Romans and later the Anglo-Saxons. Also the Celts of Europe were not the exact same as the Celts of Britain. Even the Celts of Spain were their own little universe.
@@KSmithwick1989 That's because he didn't insist on a lack of British mythology. He specifically said this was abundant. He was speaking about giving the English a mythology which was largely eradicated by the Norman genocide of the English.
"When Glorfindel saw that Balrog before him, he was quick to take out of his pocket a Kitkat bar that Tuor himself assinged to him back in Gondolin" - The Silmarillion, J. R. R. Tolkien There you go guys, a clear proof that the writers went back to the books.
"'So it is', they answered. 'But we call it a KitKat or chocolatewafer, and it is more strengthening than any other snack made by Personkind, and it is more pleasant than a Mars Bar, by all accounts.'" "Often in their hearts they thanked the Lady of the Lórien Plate Armor for the gift of KitKats, for they could snack on them and find new strength even as they ran." - Lord Without Rings - J. P. P. Trollkin
@@garrettzkool63 That why these cheap youtubers need their own websites. Which are really not hard, nor expensive to create. Rather than whining about censorship, on the platform literally providing free data storage.
They're so preoccupied with representing everyone else in the world that they forgot to represent the original author. Another excellent video, Disparu!!
It's insane to me to watch what Martin said. Dude is still alive and got to see how his work could be bastardized and his legacy tarnished. Tolkien isn't even here to defend himself. How hard would it be for Martin to think 50 years into the future after he's died, and imagine some shit stain taking his lore and perverting it into something he wouldn't have wanted.
I... imagine he doesn't care about his work as much as Tolkien did. And to be perfectly honest, it doesn't surprise me. Tolkien's work is based in JRR's deeply rooted feeling of sadness of the world being perverted by war and industry, and a good way of life destroyed - which is how he percieved the "real world" at the time. His fear of death and attempts to rationalize it. His hope and faith in the "small people" and "simple acts of kindness". Martin's work seems to be based in his sexual fantasies: "GoT or 5oo Shades of How You Can Get A Character Raped".
Its baffling really. Wokeness is obviously in decline. The general public has made it crystal clear that we don't want to be lectured to. And anytime present day politics is shoe horned into the story. Thats exactly what they're doing. They had time to at least minimize the woke. But they're actually promoting it that way. It is guaranteed to fail because of it. This isn't Marvel. LOTR fans aren't gen z's that grew up with it. Marvel's gotten away with it to a small extent but even that is fading quickly. So naturally, Amazon has jumped head first into the single most divisive political ideology on earth atm.
The general public made it clear when it started, the lying hypocrites in the media and social media repeated the same lies over and over for the agenda. There aren't more of them, never have been, and they aren't fans nor consumers. But companies that produce entertainment focus on algorithms and optics and what the media says. And the media does nothing but lie.
Infiltrate, demoralize, destabilize, crisis, normalize. What you call 'wokeness' is just a tool. Poison thrown casually into the well, so that, when the spring of dreams is toxic and people believe in _nothing at all_, their hopes and imaginings of better worlds destroyed by what they no longer think has value; a new doctrinal ideology will have less resistance in replacing what is good. The evil lies in what wokeness allows to happen next by destroying all other articles of comparison so that the sheer wretchedness of what is left to believe in, has no competition from genuine beauty. Remember though: It is an unargued delusion, not a self-fulfilling prophecy. It. Is. Just. Evil's. Tool.
They must learn the hard way. More specifically the $300M way. Not only will I not be watching it - I urge those that do to circumvent prime video entirely using *certain* websites - do not give them one SECOND of your watch time. I think marvel only got away with it because its still somewhat context appropriate - it's set in the 21st century and working towards a optimistic high tech future with aliens and all kinds of wacky stuff. But LOTR? Lol
Disparu and Nerdrotic are fast becoming my go-to source for this upcoming show. I think I’ll wait until one of them says, “Yeah it’s pretty good”, before I think about watching it. In the meantime I’ll just enjoy watching them pointing and laughing at it.
I'll actually be on friday night tights with Nerdrotic in about 30 minutes :) But yes, this show is going to be INTERSTING. Probably not for any of the reasons they intend. But however it turns out, I have a feeling it WILL be funny, and the recent leaks seriously back that up.
You can't do what the Bopsie Twins have already said they have done and make a good Tolkien show. So I am supremely confident you will never hear either of them say it is good.
@@disparutoo Spending a billion on something that's less respectful of lore than Bored of the Rings which was at least funny as a parody, even if "of its time"! (And that never damaged Middle Earth, unlike Amazon's incoming mess...) .... I'll be watching on FNT: have fun! : )
I plan to watch it, if only to see the disaster unfold in real time, like a medival car crash in slow motion... Note I said "watch", not "pay to watch".
@@neiloconnor7776 it really isn't. When I was a kid - a white Slavic girl - I hung out with boys mostly and we were all big fans of chinese martial arts movies. We'd play as characters and re-enact the fight scenes. I would sometimes play as Bruce Lee, but most often as Bolo Yeung because he was massive and somehow unique among all the other skinny chinese martial artists. I never had any trouble loving those movies OR characters OR playing as a kid just because they contained no white women with a thick slavic accent! And just to add, when Bloodsport came out, I ADORED the movie - because of BOLO YEUNG, not because there was a white broad in it!
I always wanted to be a Zulu warrior, but the pain caused by Zulu's not looking like me, destroyed those dreams, and left me mentally and physically shattered! To rectify this, the film industry needs to create a movie with red haired, fair skinned Zulu's! The history books must all be rewritten, removing any mention of Zulu culture being African, and black! And anyone on the internet who disagrees, must be immediately deemed a bigot, and removed forthwith! Yes woke leftists, this is what you sound like! If you had an ounce of self awareness, you'd understand!
Really appreciate how you and so many other legitimate Tolkien admirerers point out what a pile of crap amazon's show is. Really disappointing to see how others like In Deep Geek, PPP etc. bend over backwards to make concessions for it.
"It's about working out how we can present what we want into a package that you can swallow." Very well said. That's exactly what most of Hollywood is doing.
They can't be real actors if they are bringing their activistism and baggage into roles. An actor is meant to BECOME the character he/she is playing, not project their own character. I am going to love watching the reviews of this show.
Idk when this whole “I never saw X, Y or Z on the screen so I wasn’t able to see myself in a character before” thing started, but it’s ruining the entertainment industry. It’s amazing I guess that people used to be able to read or watch fantasy or science fiction and not get depressed. Maybe they should’ve played D&D or somethjng as a kid. I was somehow able to play a half orc fighter and have fun even though, ya know, I wasn’t part orc. Something Hollywood is bereft of these days…imagination.
Please have "Princess" Disa in every single episode. I want her to be the star of the entire series with the most screentime. Though I may not survive the internal hemorrhaging from laughing so hard I am willing to take that risk for the betterment of society.
i fully agree and this would be great for amazon as well. With one single actress alone they can "tick-off" at least 3 checkboxes on their diversity quota. - dark skinned - female - fat
But really, why these original names are so uninspiring and simple? Imagine in the world same as Elrond and Galadriel there's also Disa and Bronwyn, and Sadoc Burrows
i often imagined myself as various demi-humans when i was in my D&D days. The elf version of me was my height, (because I'm short,) much thinner, pointy ears, and better and younger looking, but still looked like me. It wasn't just me with rubber elf ears. Similarly with other demi-humans the dwarf version of me looked like me, but also like a dwarf, shorter, more muscular, and a glorious beard. The only demi-human that didn't stay looking like me was the svirfneblin version of myself. That guy basically looked like a mini-Nosferatu and thats' the best I could do with 4 charisma. But I certainly did not need any of these creatures to look exactly like me for me to relate to them. I had this thing called an imagination and still got it actually. Why are people with no imaginations being allowed to make fantasy shows?
Exactly. I mean, in computer games, there's ONE thing my avatars have NEVER been: white slavic women. I AM a white Slavic woman every day of my life, so if given an opportunity to play as ANYTHING else; or at least as something else: how retarded and unimaginative should I be to choose the thing - I already AM??? You're right, these people have completely missed the very POINT of FANTASY. It's FANTASY. The meaning is LITERALLY in the VERY WORD: F A N T A S Y!!!!
Everything I see and hear about this new show just makes me appreciate the books and the Peter Jackson films even more. I'll pass on your new show Amazon.
I never imagined a Wheel of Time series could be so fucked up. Amazon will do the same with Lord of the Rings. Why even buy the rights to the books? That shit isn't cheap
I literally (and quite unintentionally) laughed out loud at that advert at 1:44 😂😂😂. I can't believe someone thought that was a good idea. It looks like one of those hyper-dramatic/emotional tv advertisements where they're like "Children in Africa are starving.........little Amari here has already had to watch both his parents die from disease, and has been a child soldier since he was 6......a penny a day will provide him stuff, and will allow us to pay for less emotionally manipulative music and color video instead of black and white....." lol. It (the "Rings of Power" advert) LITERALLY looks like a really really bad and campy late night tv advertisement asking for donations by trying to manipulate emotions in an untalented and utterly ham-fisted way.
I genuinely don’t understand why Amazon would spend that much money and not be able to get the rights to actually make a show true to the lore? You could make an entire subscription service on just Tolkien! There is so much there it just blows my mind that this is the crap we as fans are getting shovelled. I won’t be watching.
It’s not about money. Hollywood is hell bent on inserting their agendas into every beloved franchise and it’s not about money it’s about social conditioning and the inversion of art.
You did it, Rings of Power. You made a worse product than Epic Movie. now back to drinking the tears of corporate media over the Batgirl movie getting tossed in the garbage can.
Colbert used an out of context quote which doesn't mean what he's trying to imply and also failed to quote the whole sentence. Tolkien would've never approved this show. He probably wouldn't have approved Jackson's trilogy either but that trilogy was a true adaptation even with all its flaws, and despite the changes it was Tolkienian in almost ever aspect of the production.
that's called 'lying by omission', in case you ever catch someone doing it to your face and want to call them out for it. And yes, it IS lying, because they know they're telling only the part of the truth that supports the outcome they want.
I love the stupidity that leads someone to say, "I don't understand how someone can come to hate something they once loved." Like...really? You can't understand how someone could stop loving something they once loved? How about this... Your favorite restaurant serves a dish you absolutely love. That dish is made with beef, onion, garlic, and rosemary. It's your favorite food of all time. The restaurant then hires a new chef who changes the recipe for your favorite dish: they switch the garlic for shallots, the onion for bell pepper, the rosemary for marjoram, and the beef for salmon. But they keep calling it by the same name, and they don't list the new ingredients on the menu. When you order that dish after the changes, you are almost certainly going to be angry and "hate" the dish. Because it isn't the same dish. It may still be delicious. It could possibly have even become your new favorite food. But you're still going to be pissed, and that deception could absolutely lead you to "hate" that restaurant and refuse to dine there again. This is an incredibly simple concept to grasp. Or at least it should be.
Baffles me how George R.R. Martin wonders how people can come to hate something they once loved. Love and hate are 2 sides of the same coin. When something or someone you love spurns you, the love turns to hate. When GoT characters who have experienced lifelong character arcs suddenly make choices and actions that don't make logical sense, that go against their characters, they are no longer the characters we have grown to love. The characters we love have been spurned in order to force a plot point a writer/director wants in the story whether or not it makes sense. That is what film writing has come down to, imagining cool or fun plot points or scenes and trying to force them to be connected with filler story. Same thing with political views and standings. I desperately hope this billion dollar bomb will be the turning point in the entertainment industry we need to re-focus on simply telling a good story. There is evidence on the fringes, Terminal List achieving popularity, Top Gun crushing the box office, Arcane taking the fantasy world by surprise. Once the money-people funding the entertainment connect the dots between good story = makes money and political/social agenda = less money then the audience will be in for some great entertainment once again. Fingers crossed RoP will be the flop that starts The Great Entertainment Revolution.
"Entertainment is not supposed to be a weapon that you beat people over the head with your own ideas" This right here is why 95% of what Hollywood puts out these days is crap. They believe this is exactly what entertainment is supposed to be and it's why I usually prefer watching older movies and shows instead of new things
"Back to the book, back to the book, back to the book" Which they clearly didn't even get past page 3. Seriously, in the section of the Fellowship called "Concerning Hobbits" it shows exactly why their Harfoots are wrong. They were the least likely to travel and yet Amazon decided to make them nomads. Also that they were the most normal and representative of the 3 Hobbit breeds and yet they look nothing like what we know Hobbits to look like.
The whole "we move with the fertility of the crops" thing is obvious BS...but you do realise the Hobbits weren't originally native to the Shire, right? Ancient Hobbits originally lived on the other side of the Misty Mountains, on the banks of the Anduin. They migrated to the Shire. The only thing ridiculous about the Harfoots is that they're Nomads by choice - they should have been fleeing the predation of Orcs, searching for a new home (the Shire). If Amazon had made them refugees, not Nomads, they'd make a lot more sense.
Harfoots are the english peasants aka Sam Gamshie. I also believe that Hobbits never were quite that homless even when migrating, as their need for a good life and three breakfests probably outshone everything else. This looks like a band of irish travellers and nothing good comes from them.
They opened the book, closed their eyes and pointed a pen at the page and it landed on "Harfoots". Next to the word there was "hobbits" and they thought.. "good enough, when we switch these up nobody will notice!"
After Feanor made the Silmarils, he was quite tired, so from Aule he learned the craft of Kitkat creation, then Feanor crafted some Kitkats for Tulkas because Tulkas is Chad, he wanted to make some for Ulmo too, but they kept getting soggy, so while Tulkas was having a break and eating his Kitkats, Melkor finessed Manwe to get out of prison, then after a few days, Melkor tried to learn Kitkat crafting from Feanor but Feanor said nah, so thats why he robbed his bling and killed his old man. After that he got a new tag name, Morgoth. Kitkat beef is real.
This isn't Tolkien and I've HATED everyone's appropriation of Tolkien's "other minds and hands" quote. I think "other minds and hands" would be something more akin to the ways we have seen mythologies studied, translated, artistic renditions, and music compositions created. Eddaic stories, Arthurian Legends, you can see this in Tolkiens translations of Gawain and the Green Knight, Sigurd and Gudrun, The Fall of Arthur, and Beowulf. Certainly not a megacorporation franchising it for content, a wholly new set of stories that scrubs what Tolkien ACTUALLY wrote, even calling it The Lord of the Rings only making their title a sub-title. It's inappropriate. A co-opting, a hijacking, an appropriation. For example, these other folks have articulated this beautifully: From Rancid Polecat: "when reading that full quote it’s interesting that it starts with “Don’t Laugh!” and ends with “Absurd”. So I think the whole passage is his flight of fancy that he can create his own legend set in NW Europe- At least at the time of that letter’s writing. I got the sense he was talking about a shared cultural heritage of stories (like Arthur etc) that he alone cannot create, hence “Absurd”. For them to use that quote out of context as permission to bastardize his own stories is amazing. Especially when we have his scathing letter about the 1958 movie script treatment that he clearly felt was an abomination . That is a more “applicable” quotation to the RoP. From Tar-Elenion Maranwe: Everything Tolkien wrote is canon. Anything Tolkien did not write is not canon. And yes, the passage is taken of context. The passage starts with a 'once upon a time'. The letter was written some years before LotR had been published. It is referring back to when Tolkien was starting his 'Lost Tales' mythology. The passage is not referring to LotR or his developed mythology. Letters 201, 207, 210 and 292 are more to the point of Tolkien's thoughts on his legendarium.
It's normal for an architect to imagine how other architects might feel after seeing one of his works and seeing what inspiration they take to other buildings they might construct for themselves. NO architect wants to see his greatest works smashed to pieces, gutted, and turned into something else. It's not a subtle difference and even SJWs should have figured it out. They are rationalizing, not being rational.
Can't help but recall Jeff Goldblum in the OG Jurassic Park as Ian Malcolm saying, "It didn't take any discipline to obtain it. You read what others had done and you took the next step. You didn't earn the knowledge yourselves so you don't take responsibility..for it. You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could and before you even knew what you had you patented it and packaged it and slapped it on a plastic lunch box an now your selling it."
As the vast majority of the actors and actresses in this 3 ring circus are breaking into the acting gig for the first time (as I understand it) I'm of the belief they are being provided all their talking points when giving interviews, panel discussions, etc. So, you would think that they'd all be reading from the same sheet of music as the show runners and that very silly producer. That hasn't been the case though. Yeah, they all ensure they emphasize the "diversity & inclusion" nonsense but then totally contradict the boobsie twins emphasis on staying "true to Tolkien's wishes". Those two sillies even contradict their own story line constantly; "Go back to the book....ad nauseum" BUT "tell our own unique and totally new concept, to write the story Tolkien never did". Um, which is it kiddies? It doesn't matter what your intent is anyway, if the results totally contradict the source. Every indication so far, displays huge contradictions to the source. They'll probably hook a large number of casuals, normies, and/or those that don't give a damn about Tolkien, they just want to watch something as time filler but as for The Tolkien Faithful? You've done the worst thing possible, subverted expectations with huge contradictions to the Literary Masterpiece we've grown to love. Your time henceforth trying to win us over will be wasted. You may not care right now but in a few years, you'll regret your decisions. Two stories enter! One story leaves! ( guess which one?).
I think they were hoping for existing fans, normies and new subs for all the money Bezos spent and I don't think normies alone will be enough to pay for this. That's why we're getting mixed messages which is interesting. Once the attacks start they usually don't stop. E.G. the initial non expert Tolkien expert telling us we're disgusting for questioning the validity of black dwarves/elves/new characters et al yet she's been quiet. The tactic of sellouts talking it up isn't working. The actors talking 'diversity' is the old script the showrunners have moved on from etc. Is our reaction why S2 hasn't started filming yet?
Ignore the wokeness, ignore that most of the cast seem to be activists and claim they are bringing that to the role, ignore the fact that this is crapping all over Tolkien's work and having the arrogance to think they can do better...at the most basic level this is an objectively bad looking show. Those cringeworthy character ads, the CW level clips, it just looks like a show I would never watch.
@@boycottamazonlotr7023 CW is a television station in the US that made a lot of shows aimed mostly to young adults. Smalleville was one show. I think Buffy the vampire slayer may have been another.
It looks like a some what impressive scifi original series (are those still a thing?) not like the most expensive TV show based on one of the most beloved franchises of all time.
Huge red flags where you literally never hear any of the cast members show runners or producers talk about any of the plot or show and brag about representation and activists diversity
When will creators and showrunners and producers of all types of media these days learn that they're not entitled to people liking what they made just because they made it? If you want a fanbase, you have to earn it. If you want to make an adaptation and change things from how they were in the original work, you have to show that those changes are worthwhile or that there are other good reasons to enjoy your adaptation. I am not a fan of Tolkien the brand, I am a fan of Tolkien the man. I accept Peter Jackson's trilogy as flawed but enjoyable, partially because of nostalgia, partially because they're pretty good movies on their own, and partly because I accept that there is no such thing as a perfect adaptation between media as different as novel and film. I watched the Hobbit trilogy and didn't like it. It went too far in the changes and failed to capture the original appropriately (though there's probably a half-decent adaptation in there somewhere among the bloat). The people behind Rings of Power have shown time and time again through their marketing that they neither understand nor respect Tolkien's work, and I will not be watching it. Aside from the blatant timeline compression, unnecessary changes from the lore, and random new characters no one will care about, the single statement that it wouldn't feel like Tolkien without hobbits (or something that they are trying to pass off as "not hobbits" to justify their nonsense with a weasely excuse) was enough for me.
@@arod077 It's more this general attitude of saying "Well, if you don't like it, don't watch it" and then calling fans toxic for criticizing it and wondering why so many are criticizing it. My previous comment was partially in response to the GRRM quote played in this video, where he seems confused why fans of old Star Trek don't like new Star Trek and Tolkien fans don't like Rings of Power. It's almost like fans have minds of their own and know what they like about things they like. It's almost like fans aren't supposed to like anything with [BRAND] name on it just because they are fans of [BRAND]. It's almost as if you change what [BRAND] is for no good reason, then fans of what [BRAND] used to be will see it is no longer the [BRAND] they like, feel betrayed, and criticize it. The people who complain about "toxic fandoms" seem to think that fans should just shut up and like [BRAND] no matter what they do to it. I've seen it over and over and over again for years now, starting with the Star Wars sequels.
@@cuthalion4281 I never said the fans are toxic. They are not. Some are going a little to much on specific things. I just do not like t he whole this show is WOKE. Who cares if it is. Dislike it cause the show is bad not cause a elf is black or a women dwarf has no bread. Also the show has not even come out yet to actually criticize it correctly.
@@arod077 I didn't accuse you of saying the fans are toxic, and I certainly didn't say anything about race swaps or wokeness. I don't have to watch the show to infer from the marketing that it will be terrible, because the showrunners have no respect or understanding of Tolkien's work.
I have watched and read and listenend to various different posts, videos and overall complaints about this series from the moment I learned of its existence, and while many of them have had at least something of merit to add to the overall discussion, I think the most significant point has ever been this: the fact that it is Amazon that has the rights to this story, Amazon that is sinking its grasping fingers into the labour of love of THIS AUTHOR, is by far the greatest crime here, bar none. Tolkien abhorred everything Amazon has come to represent -- unquenchable greed, destruction of the environment and the efforts and stability of life of the smaller folk, blind hubris, evil masquerading as progress towards betterment. Back in his day, Tolkien recognised these qualities (as well as others of a more creatively bankrupt nature) in the Walt Disney company and forbade them from ever touching his work; and how right he was to do so, seeing what they've now become. And yet, in a twist of true tragedy, his books found their way into the hands of an even viler entity eventually, all because his family sought to line their pockets with more millions, as though they hadn't made enough of those already on the back of his lifetime of toil and trials. Even if Amazon had managed to produce an absolutely stunning adaption of this material, one faithful to the vision of its source to the letter, I would still be boycotting the living lights out of it and refusing to spend a single cent -- a single second of viewing time -- in support of their efforts, because a corporate abomination such as Amazon does not deserve to so much as speak Tolkien's name, much less obtain his legacy. He would not even at swordpoint have approved of their involvement with his beloved texts and characters, and that alone, I believe, is reason enough for anyone who has ever treasured anything this man has done to follow suit when bestowing judgement upon the present circumstances.
Very good point. Tolkien loved the little people, nature, tradition, organic culture. Amazon, Silicon Valley and most of California nowadays certainly seems to be the opposite.
@@littlejune131 I get that but then you can't really get mad at Amazon. They just paid millions for it so why not make a show and make some money out of it.
"Το κακό δεν μπορεί να δημιουργήσει τίποτα καινούργιο, μπορεί μόνο να διαφθείρει και να καταστρέψει αυτά που οι καλές δυνάμεις έχουν εφεύρει ή κατασκευάσει." - J.R.R. Tolkien
Writers " It's Tolken's untold story " Everyone watching " NO! Tolken told his story, it's called Lord of the Rings " I thought parodies were ment to be funny and a cheeky nod to the source material.
A huge THANK YOU for this video, it got some crucially important points that I've been thinking of but haven't been able to articulate in such clear and entertaining way. The way you exposed the methods used by modern corporations to make movies using a mixture of nostalgia to drive in the established fans, and add in new stupid things really had me thinking. Another thing I thaught about: the danger with series is that, even if it is bad, you can still end up glued to the screen just to find out how the events unfold, or you become affectionate to the characters, not because they're something particularly good, but because of the long expousure time you spent with them. You grow accustomed to them and so they become like known people to you and you MUST see their stories unfold. I've had this experience with multiple average tv shows. That's the reason they make mostly tv series nowadays, because it is easier to lock the viewer on the screen using the characters, and you really don't have to care about making a "structured" story, with a dramatic arch, like in a film for example. Sorry for my english, hope I was clear.
"This is about working out how far we can push that line before you stop watching. This isn't about what you want to watch, it is about working out what we want in a package that you will swallow" That sums up so much of modern entertainment anymore. AKA pushing "The Message" as much as possible, where ever possible just a little bit at a time to push their brand of ideology until it becomes embedded in everyone.
or pulled his head out of his own ass long enough to consider "wait, i love the characters even though they don't look like me... maybes skin color isn't the most important thing in the universe...."
A great example of honoring the works of a dead author is Wheel of Time and Robert Jordan. Brandon Sanderson did everything as an author to remain faithful to Jordan's WoT finishing the books for fans. WoT is the 2nd best fantasy series after LotR. Other writers can pick up a dead author's works, stay faithful to the original intention but add their own style.
The quote from Twitter gave me PTSD from death stranding, "wait, the game gets good at the 10th hour", then that became "Wait, it gets good at 17" and so one.
I can't think of a more offensive image to Tolkien's philosophy than to describe his Middle Earth as a place where to drill for oil, as these two clowns admitted.
Lmao that was indeed the start of it all. Kinda crazy to think of how different things would be for me now if that night had been different. I often think about how things could have changed if several pivotal moments hadn't happened exactly how they did.
@@disparutoo And back on FNT again tonight, have a godd one mate. Will you be doing any FNT's while the Rings of Shite are on, because they are doing a review of each show as FNT directly follows it.
I maintain if they want to do something like this it should have been set in Far Harad. Little is said about it, but Numenoreans had colonies there, married the locals, the local people were black, since it's primordial Africa. It wouldn't involve screwing up the established lore, and could be pretty interesting. There were cults to Ungoliant in Far Harad. Stories about the heroes fighting them could be fun. And since there were colonies from Numenor you could still have Numenor show up. Hell, just do the foundation of Umbar.
@annatar lord of gifts Tolkien describes Far Harad as being inhabited by a race of 'black-skinned people'. Though he also refers to them as the 'troll-men' and it's pretty nebulous what that means. And yes, Harad is inhabited by people, the Haradrim, inspired by Arabs and North Africans like Berbers. Far Harad isn't. If you just look at the map of Arda it's clearly just sub-Saharan Africa. Who else would be living there (aside from aforementioned Numenorean colonies)?
I don't understand how George R.R Martin can say this. This is the same man who has said that if he dies before A Song of Ice and Fire is finished he wants the manuscripts burned rather than have someone else finish his work. Yet somehow he is confused by why people may be upset by people changing a dead authors work. This makes no sense to me.
I feel like there is no way that any of the people involved with this show are tolkien or lotr fans. With the lotr movies it felt from interviews with everyone involved that they were honored to be there. It was almost in sense that they didnt want to mess up such a great piece of literature and were therefor extremely respectful. With the people working on rings of power i dont get any sense that they even like the lotr trilogy or care about tolkien. I think if you would tell anyone who was involved in this show it was tolkiens work at the start or the end of process it wouldnt make a difference, because they just didnt care about that fact.
I have resigned myself to the fact that The Message will supersede making an entertaining show. I now watch breakdowns of shows that, on paper, I should be a fan of. The Marvel and Star Wars shows and movies have no appeal, no draw to me anymore. The Lord of the Rings show looks almost desperate to declare itself as a massive popular hit that everyone is watching and everyone is talking about. But the rare shows that do that have to earn it. I look forward to watching the breakdowns of episodes on this channel and others. It's as close as I can get to enjoying a show lately.
I know! I was just thinking the same thing...I can't even get excited about these shows I absolutely should be getting excited about. Its very depressing.
George R.R.Martin being obtuse while being obtuse. Yeah, George, I loved my dog then it got rabies and bit me. I don't think that dog is the same dog after contracting the rabies. Lassie is no longer Lassie, George. 'Rings of Power' has the rabies, George. It is time to put it down and out of its misery.
Wow. I've seen you a couple times on FNT but hadn't watched one of your videos until now. Not only is your delivery top notch but the content of this video is spot on. Subscribed.
Don’t you remember the chapter in the Silmarillion, “On the Kit Kat sponsorship of the Noldor”?!? Or the Dagor Doritodust?! The Battle of Unnumbered Cheetos?!?
You have a brilliant capability for describing clearly the issue. Thank you. The only good thing Amazon can do is reshoot with good writing, following Tolkien properly.
Rings of Power is not Lord of the Rings. It's not done by tolkien, there's no one alive in the Tolkien family or the Tolkien State making sure it feels like Tolkien, and it's also not done by people who respect Tolkien. It's just an empty brand
Great point about how the flow of information is limited for a lot of people. I'd say that is definitely intentional, confuse, subvert, divide conquer. It's harder to organize and fight against them when it's so difficult to even understand what they are doing, and convincing people that any of it is happening at all, if they don't follow it to the exact same depth we do, is almost impossible.
You described it perfectly. Instead of giving people what they want, they are giving people what the showrunner want and packaging it in something the viewer already loves. These people, these activists… they never see anything that is okay to be left alone. People MUST be educated and taught to think like them because they know better than us
"There werent elves that looked like me" - The man's 2 years younger than me, so he would've been a boy in the late '80s/early 90s. I can remember devouring fantasy fiction, games, etc from that time period, & I certainly found elves that weren't pale Europeans. Elfquest, Runequest, D&D 3E. Drizzt & the Drow were initially depicted with dark brown skin rather than the purplish black of later editions. Drizzt & the Drow are certainly problematic & viewed as such now, but at the time, he was adopted by many fans from ethnic minorities. It seems very unfortunate for the creators how readily they forget their trailblazing predecessors.
"Drow were initially depicted with dark brown skin"-- No. Males were described as having "dead black skin" and females "glossy black skin". Source: TSR module G3 (1978).
@@jrd33 @John Davis Correct, that's *description* - I'm talking about *depictions* in illustrations, like the covers of The Crystal Shard & Queen of the Spiders. I'm just saying that there absolutely were depictions of elves with brown skin in popular fantasy fiction, even if they did not necessarily match the descriptions. I'm sure there were earlier depictions with pitch black skin as well.
@@jrd33 they were drawn as brown african elves. Check out the front page of the Icewind dale triology books of Drizzt from the late 1980s, compared to drizzt novels in the 2000s.
I think that idiot was talking specifically about tolkins elfes, since there were visual depictions of them at the time already. But since Tolkins world is based on angle-sackson/germanic/Northern folklore, they were of course not dark skinned. What really gets me is the childish, simplistic world view of people like that. Elves are a different SPECIES than humans. What on earth does skin color have to do with it, when we are talking about completely different species (yes they can create hybrids, but tolkien was very clear that Elves, dwarfs and hobbits are NOT just different subsets of humans). Would that guy also feel like a black/brown dragon is somehow representing him more than a white/green/red/golden one? I mean, how simplified is their approach to empathy if its more about what color the person is (color meaning actual color here, not race) vs. if it is literally ANOTHER SPECIES than yourself?
Tolkiens genius work of art is holy to the people who love him and holds his creations close to heart. And for it to be handled with disrespect feels like blasphemy. And that is what fans hate. They hate the blasphemy of something holy. I think that is what star trek fans, star wars fans and LOTR fans feel. We hate the blasphemy of what we love!
Someone who calls themselves a fan but can't connect with characters unless they look like them is not a real Tolkien fan. I don't need characters to look like me to connect with them, those who need that are shallow and they lack imagination.
Exactly! As a black woman who fell in love with sci-fi and fantasy as a girl, good story and characterization made it easy for me to relate to and empathize with a story/character. Of course I liked to see my image represented but not under the flimsy guise of diversity at the expense of world-building or story!
@@Blakmagic88 right? And I would love to see some fantasy based on African mythology, like how Lord of the Rings was based on Norse. But with the way these people are, I wouldn't trust them to do it right.
Cordova is an activist. Activists don't dream of becoming Elves. Activists dream of defiling and destroying things they consider to be limitations to their ego.
The rose hips might not lie but everyone involved with this show has. Evil cannot create anything new. They can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented.
Tolkien - "I wrote The Lord of the Rings because I wished -to- -try- -my- -hand- -at- -a- -really- -long- -story- create a tax write off for a massive world wide corporation that would -hold- shame the -attention- beliefs of readers, -amuse- mock them, -delight- disappoint them, and at times maybe -excite- -them- -or- -deeply- -move- -them- take their money to fuel more shit ideas'" I fixed the quote for Amazon.
Instead of making a story in the same manner as Tolkien we decided to make something completely different using Tolkien's work as a skin suit because no one would be interested in it otherwise. Hey!? Why does no one want our product bereft of what made people love Tolkien's works?
👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Well said Disparu! It's superficial, egotistical and ideologically driven. It's the very opposite of JRR Tolkien. Anyone who is a true Tolkien fan can see it as clear as day.
I’m in complete agreement. Here’s the REAL TRICK though for us. We have to practice what we preach. The only way we can change these trends of literal INTELLECTUAL ROBBERY is that we must NOT WATCH the series. Watching it and hating it still get Amazon what they want: viewership. Am I curious regarding how badly mangled and disrespected will be Tolkien Lore and want to see the train wreck myself? Completely and utterly. However, I/we need to practice what we preach, else Amazon will throw it back in our faces and say “look how many people are watching it; all of these complaints are just fringe criticism”. Take a stand, ignore the brand.
I think this was a vehicle Bezos thought would increase their sub count & spent accordingly. Many are angry enough to have already cancelled with others waiting for its release to send their message. Yes, some will watch anyway but enough? Netflix realised they couldn't continue & made some moves. They'd allowed various people to greenlight shows with little oversight. Gave activists the idea it was okay to barge into senior meetings to demand show removals & leak contracts. Hollywood is slow but Amazon will learn Netflix lesson. YTers will watch & we can get feedback from them without resorting to views.
I'm sure Kitkat adverts are exactly what he intended when he wrote the books! Icecream, How could he not want his brand on an icecream?! It's going to be glorious just wait till it's out and season 3! Well, what did you think of the interviews and George R.R. Martins comments? To be so amazed that a fan could not just like more content :O Let me know your thoughts down below, and as always, thanks for watching :)
Where’s my Rings of Power Skittles? Remember “Taste the Rainbow?”
Edit: To be clear Amazon marketing LoTR like this is wholly disgusting. I’m all for capitalism but not at the expense of Tolkien’s legacy. LoTR isn’t a some generic idea you can slap onto a cereal box. It’s a beloved work of literature not to be exploited by a bunch of amoral hacks.
I found your channel couple weeks ago, you are in fire! I love your passion and you got really good insight of things.
I have loved Tolkien works over 30 years, and i hate this shit what they do!! 🤮
Amazon is amazing company, take world best story and make it world worst show! 👏👏
It's not that we hate what we once enjoyed. We hate what is masquerading as what we DO enjoy.
GRRM saying that doesn't bother me too much, he needs to support his franchise despite how it may be altered.
I guess it's okay for me to make an official rewrite of Song of Ice and Fire where it's a world of talking poop people and instead of fighting with swords they poop more poop at one another. He should approve because things have to change regardless of who does it. In fact, he should happily promote my work for me and ensure I get proceeds. What an a-hole.
"Back to the book, back to the book, back to the book." That book they kept going back to was actually Amazon's "diversity, inclusion, and modernity" how-to policy
Yup that's the book.
More like the new d.e.i. Oscars rubric
You mean there bible.
I think what they actually meant is that every time they didnt know what to do, they would turn their back to the book, back to the book, back to the book.
@@beltanetrex Hehe, good one. xD
Thing is, when I was watching interviews of the the old cast from Jacksons LotR movies I felt like some of those actors truly loved their craft and were incredibly happy to have had the privilege of playing those roles. Like they made part of those characters their own and part of themselves into the characters they portrayed. This is especially true for Ian McKellen, Christopher Lee, Viggo Mortensen and Sean Bean. All of them took their roles seriously.
With the Rings of Power cast I get the impression that they aren't actors at all, just activists who took the opportunity to get screen time to spread their message, and they're just putting up with all that pesky nerd stuff but actually loathe it.
Yep! They all seemed so happy to do it, and they still talk about it today. And they also made meaningful friendships that last till today, Dom and Billy even started a podcast together. Maybe the actors on this show are friends as well, but I doubt they'll still be best friends in 20+ years.
I wonder in which episode that a group of them glue themselves to a track like Extinction Rebellion? If they do, I certainly hope that they don't say "You shall not pass". Knowing what the show runners are doing though, it wouldn't surprise me at all.
Compared to the actors from the original trilogy they seem superficial and false. I suppose they're just following the studio line and doing what they'e been told to do.
Yeah they're nobodies and fakes in rings of power, can't wait to see this bs trash crash and burn for trashing Tolkien's work.
That's most probably because showrunners and actors *DO* loathe Tolkien and his work and all the pesky nerd stuff.
There is such a massive emphasis on activism and being self-absorbed that I think that even those who never read Tolkien or saw the trilogy or The Hobbit could have a hard time getting past that and into the story.
Because the whole clumsy promotion of Rangs of Power is about *NOTHING ELSE* than blatant activism. And selling ice cream.
Funny how they used the analogy of Tolkien writing as a beautiful plot of land and they were searching for the oil on it. Reminds me of the Scouring of the Shire, defiling and corrupting something beautiful.
Fracking frackers!
Sort of like an undeveloped estate whose original owners requested that the land remained a garden forever. Yes since there is no other development or ruins to build around, you have a rare blank slate where you could build anything you wanted without making some compromises you otherwise would have to. But as soon as you build something there you destroy something sacred that was left untouched for a reason, not just for you to play around with.
Very on point. In the books, the contrast between the landside of The Shire and the pollution of Isengard and Mordor reflected Tolkien's worry about the rise of industrialization.
These faux actors are really showing just how badly they neither know nor care about the source material.
“Tolkien’s writing is like a beautiful plot of land, Like Flanders, or the Somme. So we decided to destroy everything we could in sight, like in Flanders, or the Somme.”
And yes, I chose the Somme because none of these Amazon fanboys have a clue Tolkien stepped foot there, for anyone wondering.
I'm a black guy and when I was growing up I loved each character I just couldn't decide which I wanted to be the most until the moment Frodo leaves middle earth where I imagined being a hobbit having my own adventures not wishing there was a black hobbit for me to feel represented.
Tolkien did indeed leave a plot of land, a plot he had planted and had flourished into a beautiful garden. It brought people from all corners of the land to see what Tolkien had produced. Then some trespassers with naught, but greed on their minds came upon the plot. Indeed they did strike oil when they dug into the earth, but having neither the talent nor skills to capture it, the oil spilled into the garden threatening to poison all the plot.
Amen!!! That is what happening and it needs to be prevented and stopped.
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.... wow!
Their analogy of Tolkien’s work being a large field where they needed to dig for oil perfectly summarizes everything Tolkien hated about the post industrial revolution world. The fact they use oil fields and drilling as an analogy for the creation of this series shows they fundamentally do not understand Tolkien or his stories.
This.
Right here.
This sums their approach - and why it is WRONG - utterly.
As the ancient ones never said: "drill baby drill"
This. You win the internet for today.
Well it looks like they drilled too deep and woke up the fans who now come at them with the ferocity of the balrog.
They are servants of Isengard.
It began with the forging of the Great Rings.
Three were given to the Elves, mortal, black and the loudest of all beings.
Seven to the Gay-lords, the overly-offended, but “bravest” of the mountain halls.
And nine, nine rings were gifted to the race of “men”, who, above all else, desire to be women.
😂😂😂
Does tolkien actually describe women? Are women cannon in tolkien? What are they in the tolkien universe?
Edit: disclaimer for noobs, this comment is satirical
If only The Harvard Lampoon had waited until 2022? ;p~
You should write a full length Lord of the Rings parody. Because your comment is honestly a lot more entertaining. Then what this pasty TH-camr is whining about.
@@Brubigo Some of the most renowned characters in Tolkien's mythos are women. Galadriel, Eowyn, Luthien, and others.
So I'm confused. This actor said he dreamt of being an elf, but there were no elves that looked like him. Did he want to be an elf or not? Legions of little kids who want to be Transformers or what have you are not at all dissuaded by the fact that they look nothing like a giant, metallic robot, either. What's this guy's problem?
Plus "I always wanted to be an elf" just sounds like bs to be honest. It's not like that was actually a possibility for ANYONE regardless of skin colour. Can you imagine? At a recruitment office a young Caucasian man with long hair is being asked what sort of career he wants...."Well, I want to be an elf!" XD
But "I always wanted to be an elf" is the sort of thing that's easy for an actor to say AFTER they've been cast in a role, that makes it SOUND like this is just the right role for them. So much sales talk from the cast and crew on this one, instead of plot or character points that would get someone interested in the story.
"Now it seems half of the people who call themselves Star Trek fans hate Star Trek and the Tolkien fans hate Rings of Power. What the hell?" Well, Mr. Martin, that's because that half of the fans recognize that what is currently being produced under the titles of Star Trek and Rings of Power have very little other than Nomenclature in common with the properties they are so invested in. It's a bit like Lamborghini announcing that under new management, they're opening a new vehicle line, and then presenting 4 new models of tricycles. Do you see where fans might be a bit... disappointed?
"I love historical Chinese dramas, but I always felt sad that there was never anyone who looked like me in them. So when the chance to audition for Wu Zetian came, I was so happy I got the role as a strong black woman of color. Now, people like me can see our race properly depicted in Eastern historical pieces." Would be batshit to say something like that and expect something like that to happen. Why some people can't understand that some stories won't have people that look like you and that's not a bad thing, is a mystery to me.
I dislike the messages this thing is sending. You have to be stereotypically manly as a woman to be a strong female character. You have to depict real world racial demographics in your stories otherwise it's wrong (code for racist). The only thing that matters is your skin color, not a culture or a history. In works like Tolkien's that's all about how history and culture impacted groups of people, seeing white characters essentially draped in a black skin to score cheap diversity points is disgusting. It's like asking for a birthday party but all you get is a party planned for somebody else. The person who'd give you something like that is not your friend. Those show runners just want to do their own GoT styled bs and used Tolkien and the diversity hires as both their sword and shield.
"You have to depict real world racial demographics in your stories otherwise it's wrong (code for racist)." ---No offense, but this is NOT what they're doing. 1-2% of the population is gay. In film and series, it's 10 times that. In Britain, 3% of the population is black. In series, it's about 20%. In the U.S. about 6% of police Captains are black. In series, it's about 50%. And so on...
That mystery you are wondering about has a code F60.81 in the DSM-5 called narcissistic personality disorder.
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As a huge fan of Chinese historical dramas, whose 2nd favourite movie of all times is Red Cliff (the 5 hour version), and... as a Slavic woman; I have to say I am happy af that Chinese historical dramas are made by the Chinese. Because if Hollywood was in charge; by now, we sure as heck WOULD have a black sword wielding xiao qiao bettering Cao Cao in a sword fight and a latino zhuge liang rap battling a white Sun Quin, so help me...
In fact, I am convinced John Woo went to China to make Red Cliff because Holywood would DEMAND black people in the movie. Just like you, I can't possibly understand these "nobody in the story has the same skin colour as I do so I can't relate" troglodytes taking over the world. Maybe Drahomir is right, maybe it's exactly that.
( And I mean, I'm not going to lie, I would literally soil my pants if Zhang Fengyi found his way to LotR. But as Khamul the Easterling or an original Easterling character. Can you imagine a character he is capable of playing, with just the right balance of sympathetic and villanous, sent down a road of becoming a Nazgul? You can have a season or 2 seasons of just that; a perfect tragic story focusing on mortality, it's consequences and what happens if one does not accept it. But I bet if they DID get him, they'd cast him as a sword fighting dwarf because tilted eyes + yellow skin on dwarfs - CHECK! )
I would love it if an actor, instead of blathering on about activism, simply said "I'm an actor, they pay me and I say the words. And they're paying me quite well for this one."
😣😮💨. I miss those days.
Anthony Hopkins said something similar. "Why are you asking me about politics? I'm an actor!"
Robert Mitchum said: "This is not a tough job. You read a script. If you like the part and the money is OK, you do it. Then you remember your lines. You show up on time. You do what the director tells you to do. When you finish, you rest and then go on to the next part. That's it."
That's not how actors are , taking bullshit Is literally Thier job, tbf I'm not a huge fan of actors anymore so perhaps cynical
Or even better, an actor that is passionate about Tolkien and starts speaking about lore that he actually knows instead of real life experiences that his limited life seems to dominate his entire existence. Instead, actors that would love to be part of a Tolkien movie are sidelined for "correct" skin color and "correct" political views activists.
Got to love how Martin completely removes any obligation from the writer to write something good. Its just "but you liked Brand before, why dont you like it now?"
Seriously how arrogant do you have to be to omit an obligation towards quality?
People dont like consuming shit George just because it has a certain logo on it.
Yup! I think he's saying this because he loves being accepted by others, so now he's saying this crap to be buddy-buddy with his new Hollywood friends. If he was being honest with himself, he'd know this doesn't pass the smell test. Then again, the guy's actually put Tolkien's work down (comparing it to his more brutal and sexual fiction), so, maybe he just sees what he wants to see. Moron.
He can't even imagine how his own lore might be perverted after he's dead into something he probably wouldn't have wanted. Or maybe he would. He let the last 2 seasons of GoT happen.
Hack Fraud Martin got exposed as a literary con man over the "GoT" debacle, he now has to cover his ass by jumping on the "blame the fans" bandwagon.
It's a lot easier than writing those two novels he promised his own fans.
It's like GRRM has never heard of someone with a bitter divorce.
well he`s a brand fanatic now isnt he and he wonders why he cant write the final book or 2 for his series, which is his legacy, he saw with his own eyes what the ended up with on screen of his legacy, but he too busy chasing the brand now. ironically if he doesnt manage to get the final book/books written maybe we can let these writers have a shot, people miss the fact that Christopher Tolkien dedicated a lifetime piecing together and seeing published his fathers legacy, for what? i mean it isnt like the source material isn`t there for these arseholes to adapt. there was nothing left out, he died at age 96 he was 39 years old when his father died that`s 57 years. and amazon hires these woke mouth breathers to adapt Tolkiens legacy.
The mere fact that Lenny “ We don’t need no white People “ Henry is in it,has definitely made me blank it.
This thing about "there weren't characters that looked like me, so I have to be part of the cast in order to fix that" sounds like narcissism masked as "social justice"
I am asian and i dont care if there are no one in the movie that resembles me. I loved lord of the rings since I was young. They have ruined it completely.
Trueee agreed to u!!!!
I really just want the good ol story
There's a great line in the movie Amistad where John Quincy Adams says that by trying to be all things to all people, you end up being nothing.. to no one.
Ya know , Quincy was actually a darn good president that was simply over shadowed not only by his father , but the events taking place around him
If Amazon wanted to make up a new story within middle earth, they should have done a story based on the 2 blue wizards that went east. A pure blank canvas to explore there. Instead they just shat in their hands and clapped. They get what they deserve.
Would have a better justification for multiracial folks, too.
Agreed, but of course just like they're using the LOTR name for their ridiculous fan fiction show (but they won't honor the spirit of book), they want to use names of characters people know to help them get attention for the show. Sauron and Galadriel being the main ones I guess - whose character they won't honor either judging by the trailers.
Amazon should not have touched Tolkien.
@@Homeschoolsw6 haha yup! An even better option!
@@dewulfe9913 Yup! They really think that the audience & fan base are that dumb...
The part where Disparu points out the commercialization of a hand-crafted series of stories designed to satisfy a lack of generational -British- _English_ myths with the sale of KitKats... Literal chills up my spine from...
Despair.
Edit: Your welcome all. Great arguments made for securing the myths in this thread. I hope Disparu makes note of them. And as one already noted, yes, I knew the difference between Great Britain and England.
I also know the difference between an English muffin, and croissant....
I never got Tolkien's insistance of a lack of British mythology. It not like Celtic mythology wasn't a thing. Also there's the very obvious King Arthur myth.
@@KSmithwick1989 It's the lack of English mythology, not British.
@@tanjaborozan7298 In that case the Anglo-Saxons were Germanic immigrants. They already had their mythology from Northern Germany. Which itself had similarities to the Celts, due to their divergent cultures. That was well known during Tolkien's time.
@@KSmithwick1989 King Arthur is not Celtic. Most Celtic culture and knowledge in Britain got erased and replaced by the Romans and later the Anglo-Saxons. Also the Celts of Europe were not the exact same as the Celts of Britain. Even the Celts of Spain were their own little universe.
@@KSmithwick1989 That's because he didn't insist on a lack of British mythology. He specifically said this was abundant. He was speaking about giving the English a mythology which was largely eradicated by the Norman genocide of the English.
"When Glorfindel saw that Balrog before him, he was quick to take out of his pocket a Kitkat bar that Tuor himself assinged to him back in Gondolin" - The Silmarillion, J. R. R. Tolkien
There you go guys, a clear proof that the writers went back to the books.
No joke, some of these comments are actually more entertaining, than the video itself. This guy's content is kind of bland.
"'So it is', they answered. 'But we call it a KitKat or chocolatewafer, and it is more strengthening than any other snack made by Personkind, and it is more pleasant than a Mars Bar, by all accounts.'"
"Often in their hearts they thanked the Lady of the Lórien Plate Armor for the gift of KitKats, for they could snack on them and find new strength even as they ran."
- Lord Without Rings - J. P. P. Trollkin
@@KSmithwick1989 he would be deleted super fast if he went all in with the mockery
@@garrettzkool63 That why these cheap youtubers need their own websites. Which are really not hard, nor expensive to create. Rather than whining about censorship, on the platform literally providing free data storage.
Should have been a Snickers.
They're so preoccupied with representing everyone else in the world that they forgot to represent the original author. Another excellent video, Disparu!!
It's insane to me to watch what Martin said. Dude is still alive and got to see how his work could be bastardized and his legacy tarnished. Tolkien isn't even here to defend himself. How hard would it be for Martin to think 50 years into the future after he's died, and imagine some shit stain taking his lore and perverting it into something he wouldn't have wanted.
I... imagine he doesn't care about his work as much as Tolkien did.
And to be perfectly honest, it doesn't surprise me. Tolkien's work is based in JRR's deeply rooted feeling of sadness of the world being perverted by war and industry, and a good way of life destroyed - which is how he percieved the "real world" at the time. His fear of death and attempts to rationalize it. His hope and faith in the "small people" and "simple acts of kindness".
Martin's work seems to be based in his sexual fantasies: "GoT or 5oo Shades of How You Can Get A Character Raped".
But disparu, the 'essense' of Tolkien told them that this was okay. He even insisted on the rose hip ice cream
We have letters of Tolkien in which he never mentioned a dislike for icecream so it is okay
Its baffling really. Wokeness is obviously in decline. The general public has made it crystal clear that we don't want to be lectured to. And anytime present day politics is shoe horned into the story. Thats exactly what they're doing. They had time to at least minimize the woke. But they're actually promoting it that way. It is guaranteed to fail because of it. This isn't Marvel. LOTR fans aren't gen z's that grew up with it. Marvel's gotten away with it to a small extent but even that is fading quickly. So naturally, Amazon has jumped head first into the single most divisive political ideology on earth atm.
The general public made it clear when it started, the lying hypocrites in the media and social media repeated the same lies over and over for the agenda. There aren't more of them, never have been, and they aren't fans nor consumers. But companies that produce entertainment focus on algorithms and optics and what the media says. And the media does nothing but lie.
I wouldn't say it is divisive. It is more like heavily concentrated within specific groups. Hollywood and Twitter.
It sometimes takes a long time for an infection to clear , even when the disease is defeated
Infiltrate, demoralize, destabilize, crisis, normalize.
What you call 'wokeness' is just a tool. Poison thrown casually into the well, so that, when the spring of dreams is toxic and people believe in _nothing at all_, their hopes and imaginings of better worlds destroyed by what they no longer think has value; a new doctrinal ideology will have less resistance in replacing what is good.
The evil lies in what wokeness allows to happen next by destroying all other articles of comparison so that the sheer wretchedness of what is left to believe in, has no competition from genuine beauty.
Remember though: It is an unargued delusion, not a self-fulfilling prophecy.
It. Is. Just. Evil's. Tool.
They must learn the hard way. More specifically the $300M way. Not only will I not be watching it - I urge those that do to circumvent prime video entirely using *certain* websites - do not give them one SECOND of your watch time. I think marvel only got away with it because its still somewhat context appropriate - it's set in the 21st century and working towards a optimistic high tech future with aliens and all kinds of wacky stuff. But LOTR? Lol
Disparu and Nerdrotic are fast becoming my go-to source for this upcoming show. I think I’ll wait until one of them says, “Yeah it’s pretty good”, before I think about watching it.
In the meantime I’ll just enjoy watching them pointing and laughing at it.
I'll actually be on friday night tights with Nerdrotic in about 30 minutes :) But yes, this show is going to be INTERSTING. Probably not for any of the reasons they intend. But however it turns out, I have a feeling it WILL be funny, and the recent leaks seriously back that up.
You can't do what the Bopsie Twins have already said they have done and make a good Tolkien show. So I am supremely confident you will never hear either of them say it is good.
@@disparutoo Spending a billion on something that's less respectful of lore than Bored of the Rings which was at least funny as a parody, even if "of its time"!
(And that never damaged Middle Earth, unlike Amazon's incoming mess...)
.... I'll be watching on FNT: have fun! : )
These two and Shadiversity/Knight's Watch. Until they tell me it's good I'm not giving Amazon a penny, and I know they won't say that lol
I plan to watch it, if only to see the disaster unfold in real time, like a medival car crash in slow motion...
Note I said "watch", not "pay to watch".
Not being able to empathize or relate to a person/character unless they look like you is....disturbing.
It’s a bit of a childish mentality
@@neiloconnor7776 I've seen more adults exhibit the behavior more than children. At least children don't know any better.
@@neiloconnor7776 don’t insult children, they don’t do this.
it's narcissistic
@@neiloconnor7776 it really isn't. When I was a kid - a white Slavic girl - I hung out with boys mostly and we were all big fans of chinese martial arts movies. We'd play as characters and re-enact the fight scenes. I would sometimes play as Bruce Lee, but most often as Bolo Yeung because he was massive and somehow unique among all the other skinny chinese martial artists. I never had any trouble loving those movies OR characters OR playing as a kid just because they contained no white women with a thick slavic accent!
And just to add, when Bloodsport came out, I ADORED the movie - because of BOLO YEUNG, not because there was a white broad in it!
I always wanted to be a Zulu warrior, but the pain caused by Zulu's not looking like me, destroyed those dreams, and left me mentally and physically shattered!
To rectify this, the film industry needs to create a movie with red haired, fair skinned Zulu's! The history books must all be rewritten, removing any mention of Zulu culture being African, and black! And anyone on the internet who disagrees, must be immediately deemed a bigot, and removed forthwith!
Yes woke leftists, this is what you sound like! If you had an ounce of self awareness, you'd understand!
you're shouting at a ghost that lives only in your own head
BRILLIANT ANALOGY DUDE. SPOT ON. caps lock too tired to care
I am from the Zulu tribe and your analogy is 100% spot on.
@@marmadukesandwich He is talking and speaking the truth.
stay strong my ginger friend, you can always support Birmingham City... ;)
Really appreciate how you and so many other legitimate Tolkien admirerers point out what a pile of crap amazon's show is. Really disappointing to see how others like In Deep Geek, PPP etc. bend over backwards to make concessions for it.
Though not surprising, since they were paid off.
@@maxxor-overworldhero6730 or the broken sword
Paid soulless shills
They did that just to get thirty pieces of silver
The character video looked like the opening credits of a soap opera. 😆
I've seen other memes of this very thing😂😂😅
There is even one here in Brazil about this like a Brazilian telenovela
It reminded me of a darkened 80's animatronic theme park ride.
this generic is from a Turkish telenovela, Aski Memnu..and it fit here perfectly 😊😊
"It's about working out how we can present what we want into a package that you can swallow."
Very well said. That's exactly what most of Hollywood is doing.
They can't be real actors if they are bringing their activistism and baggage into roles. An actor is meant to BECOME the character he/she is playing, not project their own character. I am going to love watching the reviews of this show.
Nobody should watch this..
Idk when this whole “I never saw X, Y or Z on the screen so I wasn’t able to see myself in a character before” thing started, but it’s ruining the entertainment industry. It’s amazing I guess that people used to be able to read or watch fantasy or science fiction and not get depressed. Maybe they should’ve played D&D or somethjng as a kid. I was somehow able to play a half orc fighter and have fun even though, ya know, I wasn’t part orc. Something Hollywood is bereft of these days…imagination.
Please have "Princess" Disa in every single episode. I want her to be the star of the entire series with the most screentime. Though I may not survive the internal hemorrhaging from laughing so hard I am willing to take that risk for the betterment of society.
Same here mate! It'd be the funniest bullet I ever took for the team 🤣🤣
If you die of laughter I swear on my honor to pick up your mantle.
Oh, she'll be "taking up most of the screen", most of the time, that's for sure! 🤣
i fully agree and this would be great for amazon as well. With one single actress alone they can "tick-off" at least 3 checkboxes on their diversity quota.
- dark skinned
- female
- fat
But really, why these original names are so uninspiring and simple? Imagine in the world same as Elrond and Galadriel there's also Disa and Bronwyn, and Sadoc Burrows
You nailed it on every front. This production is a poster child for narcissism.
i often imagined myself as various demi-humans when i was in my D&D days. The elf version of me was my height, (because I'm short,) much thinner, pointy ears, and better and younger looking, but still looked like me. It wasn't just me with rubber elf ears. Similarly with other demi-humans the dwarf version of me looked like me, but also like a dwarf, shorter, more muscular, and a glorious beard. The only demi-human that didn't stay looking like me was the svirfneblin version of myself. That guy basically looked like a mini-Nosferatu and thats' the best I could do with 4 charisma. But I certainly did not need any of these creatures to look exactly like me for me to relate to them. I had this thing called an imagination and still got it actually. Why are people with no imaginations being allowed to make fantasy shows?
Exactly. I mean, in computer games, there's ONE thing my avatars have NEVER been: white slavic women. I AM a white Slavic woman every day of my life, so if given an opportunity to play as ANYTHING else; or at least as something else: how retarded and unimaginative should I be to choose the thing - I already AM???
You're right, these people have completely missed the very POINT of FANTASY.
It's FANTASY.
The meaning is LITERALLY in the VERY WORD: F A N T A S Y!!!!
Everything I see and hear about this new show just makes me appreciate the books and the Peter Jackson films even more. I'll pass on your new show Amazon.
Love the part when Gil Galad proclaimed: "You shall be the Fellowship of the Farce. May the odds ever be in your favor. For Narnia!!!!!"
RingPops really missing out on that crossover advertising opportunity.
It brings joy to my heart that the LOTR fandom will not be wheel of primed.
They would need to wait about 20 years for something like this to be popular.
I never imagined a Wheel of Time series could be so fucked up. Amazon will do the same with Lord of the Rings. Why even buy the rights to the books? That shit isn't cheap
when galadriel said "down with the patriarchy" put some tears in my eye. Sauron wouldn't stand a chance
I literally (and quite unintentionally) laughed out loud at that advert at 1:44 😂😂😂. I can't believe someone thought that was a good idea. It looks like one of those hyper-dramatic/emotional tv advertisements where they're like "Children in Africa are starving.........little Amari here has already had to watch both his parents die from disease, and has been a child soldier since he was 6......a penny a day will provide him stuff, and will allow us to pay for less emotionally manipulative music and color video instead of black and white....." lol.
It (the "Rings of Power" advert) LITERALLY looks like a really really bad and campy late night tv advertisement asking for donations by trying to manipulate emotions in an untalented and utterly ham-fisted way.
I genuinely don’t understand why Amazon would spend that much money and not be able to get the rights to actually make a show true to the lore? You could make an entire subscription service on just Tolkien! There is so much there it just blows my mind that this is the crap we as fans are getting shovelled. I won’t be watching.
It’s not about money. Hollywood is hell bent on inserting their agendas into every beloved franchise and it’s not about money it’s about social conditioning and the inversion of art.
Money laundering but also possible profits from normies
You did it, Rings of Power.
You made a worse product than Epic Movie.
now back to drinking the tears of corporate media over the Batgirl movie getting tossed in the garbage can.
Hopefully, they'll lose hundreds of millions. ,
@@Johnsmith-ko9yj it can be a tax write off.
It’s only $70 million dollars.
Unlike when Disney released Inhumans.
@@AncestorEmpire1 A good accountant might get them the lot? America has some weird loopholes when it comes to taxes?
@@Johnsmith-ko9yj because Americans hate taxes. Or at least the ones not stuck in “They Live”
Colbert used an out of context quote which doesn't mean what he's trying to imply and also failed to quote the whole sentence. Tolkien would've never approved this show. He probably wouldn't have approved Jackson's trilogy either but that trilogy was a true adaptation even with all its flaws, and despite the changes it was Tolkienian in almost ever aspect of the production.
The changes me sense for movie and most of all you can feel the love of Tolkien. It had heart
Colbert is a sellout. Wonder if he cashed his check first to see if it bounced.
that's called 'lying by omission', in case you ever catch someone doing it to your face and want to call them out for it. And yes, it IS lying, because they know they're telling only the part of the truth that supports the outcome they want.
Would it be implied or inferred?
I love the stupidity that leads someone to say, "I don't understand how someone can come to hate something they once loved." Like...really? You can't understand how someone could stop loving something they once loved? How about this...
Your favorite restaurant serves a dish you absolutely love. That dish is made with beef, onion, garlic, and rosemary. It's your favorite food of all time. The restaurant then hires a new chef who changes the recipe for your favorite dish: they switch the garlic for shallots, the onion for bell pepper, the rosemary for marjoram, and the beef for salmon. But they keep calling it by the same name, and they don't list the new ingredients on the menu. When you order that dish after the changes, you are almost certainly going to be angry and "hate" the dish. Because it isn't the same dish. It may still be delicious. It could possibly have even become your new favorite food. But you're still going to be pissed, and that deception could absolutely lead you to "hate" that restaurant and refuse to dine there again.
This is an incredibly simple concept to grasp. Or at least it should be.
The only toxic are the people who ruins Tolkiens works for their own goals... which have nothing to do with the original work!
Baffles me how George R.R. Martin wonders how people can come to hate something they once loved. Love and hate are 2 sides of the same coin. When something or someone you love spurns you, the love turns to hate. When GoT characters who have experienced lifelong character arcs suddenly make choices and actions that don't make logical sense, that go against their characters, they are no longer the characters we have grown to love. The characters we love have been spurned in order to force a plot point a writer/director wants in the story whether or not it makes sense.
That is what film writing has come down to, imagining cool or fun plot points or scenes and trying to force them to be connected with filler story. Same thing with political views and standings. I desperately hope this billion dollar bomb will be the turning point in the entertainment industry we need to re-focus on simply telling a good story. There is evidence on the fringes, Terminal List achieving popularity, Top Gun crushing the box office, Arcane taking the fantasy world by surprise. Once the money-people funding the entertainment connect the dots between good story = makes money and political/social agenda = less money then the audience will be in for some great entertainment once again. Fingers crossed RoP will be the flop that starts The Great Entertainment Revolution.
G.R.R.M. Seems salty about the final season of the subversion of his books that he's not finished... fans are a pain in the ass 😆
"Entertainment is not supposed to be a weapon that you beat people over the head with your own ideas"
This right here is why 95% of what Hollywood puts out these days is crap. They believe this is exactly what entertainment is supposed to be and it's why I usually prefer watching older movies and shows instead of new things
"Back to the book, back to the book, back to the book"
Which they clearly didn't even get past page 3. Seriously, in the section of the Fellowship called "Concerning Hobbits" it shows exactly why their Harfoots are wrong. They were the least likely to travel and yet Amazon decided to make them nomads. Also that they were the most normal and representative of the 3 Hobbit breeds and yet they look nothing like what we know Hobbits to look like.
"Harfoots are nomadic tribe, moving with the weather and fertility of the crops." FFS
The whole "we move with the fertility of the crops" thing is obvious BS...but you do realise the Hobbits weren't originally native to the Shire, right? Ancient Hobbits originally lived on the other side of the Misty Mountains, on the banks of the Anduin. They migrated to the Shire.
The only thing ridiculous about the Harfoots is that they're Nomads by choice - they should have been fleeing the predation of Orcs, searching for a new home (the Shire).
If Amazon had made them refugees, not Nomads, they'd make a lot more sense.
Harfoots are the english peasants aka Sam Gamshie. I also believe that Hobbits never were quite that homless even when migrating, as their need for a good life and three breakfests probably outshone everything else. This looks like a band of irish travellers and nothing good comes from them.
They opened the book, closed their eyes and pointed a pen at the page and it landed on "Harfoots". Next to the word there was "hobbits" and they thought.. "good enough, when we switch these up nobody will notice!"
“It’s Tolkien’s amazing untold story.”
Yep. And it still is.
After Feanor made the Silmarils, he was quite tired, so from Aule he learned the craft of Kitkat creation, then Feanor crafted some Kitkats for Tulkas because Tulkas is Chad, he wanted to make some for Ulmo too, but they kept getting soggy, so while Tulkas was having a break and eating his Kitkats, Melkor finessed Manwe to get out of prison, then after a few days, Melkor tried to learn Kitkat crafting from Feanor but Feanor said nah, so thats why he robbed his bling and killed his old man.
After that he got a new tag name, Morgoth.
Kitkat beef is real.
Just when I think we've hit rock bottom, Amazon comes back and surprises me. The cringe of this show and its marketing is on a level rarely seen.
This isn't Tolkien and I've HATED everyone's appropriation of Tolkien's "other minds and hands" quote. I think "other minds and hands" would be something more akin to the ways we have seen mythologies studied, translated, artistic renditions, and music compositions created. Eddaic stories, Arthurian Legends, you can see this in Tolkiens translations of Gawain and the Green Knight, Sigurd and Gudrun, The Fall of Arthur, and Beowulf. Certainly not a megacorporation franchising it for content, a wholly new set of stories that scrubs what Tolkien ACTUALLY wrote, even calling it The Lord of the Rings only making their title a sub-title. It's inappropriate. A co-opting, a hijacking, an appropriation. For example, these other folks have articulated this beautifully:
From Rancid Polecat: "when reading that full quote it’s interesting that it starts with “Don’t Laugh!” and ends with “Absurd”. So I think the whole passage is his flight of fancy that he can create his own legend set in NW Europe- At least at the time of that letter’s writing. I got the sense he was talking about a shared cultural heritage of stories (like Arthur etc) that he alone cannot create, hence “Absurd”. For them to use that quote out of context as permission to bastardize his own stories is amazing. Especially when we have his scathing letter about the 1958 movie script treatment that he clearly felt was an abomination . That is a more “applicable” quotation to the RoP.
From Tar-Elenion Maranwe: Everything Tolkien wrote is canon. Anything Tolkien did not write is not canon. And yes, the passage is taken of context. The passage starts with a 'once upon a time'. The letter was written some years before LotR had been published. It is referring back to when Tolkien was starting his 'Lost Tales' mythology. The passage is not referring to LotR or his developed mythology. Letters 201, 207, 210 and 292 are more to the point of Tolkien's thoughts on his legendarium.
Quote mining and taking quotes out of context are the strategies of intellectually dishonest people They are simply bad actors.
It's normal for an architect to imagine how other architects might feel after seeing one of his works and seeing what inspiration they take to other buildings they might construct for themselves. NO architect wants to see his greatest works smashed to pieces, gutted, and turned into something else. It's not a subtle difference and even SJWs should have figured it out. They are rationalizing, not being rational.
Check out Blind Guardian - nightfall in the Middle-Earth. That is what he meant.
I cannot wait to not watch this show and just watch your recaps. Keep up the great work!
Dont watch it. Throw it in the trash and leave it to our guys Disparu and company to reveiew it for us.
@@kristoffermaurer9689 exactly. That’s why I said I cannot wait to “not” watch it lol. This show will hopefully be a very expensive dumpster fire
Same, I don't even bother with Marvel and Star Wars anymore, I watch TH-cam recaps instead 😂
I won't watch it and if any of my 4 kids want to watch it I will cry and feel like a failure as a parent.
@@Kajun1776 Oh yeah sorry, a couple of beers in and I missed that! Carry on lad!
Can't help but recall Jeff Goldblum in the OG Jurassic Park as Ian Malcolm saying, "It didn't take any discipline to obtain it. You read what others had done and you took the next step. You didn't earn the knowledge yourselves so you don't take responsibility..for it. You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could and before you even knew what you had you patented it and packaged it and slapped it on a plastic lunch box an now your selling it."
As the vast majority of the actors and actresses in this 3 ring circus are breaking into the acting gig for the first time (as I understand it) I'm of the belief they are being provided all their talking points when giving interviews, panel discussions, etc. So, you would think that they'd all be reading from the same sheet of music as the show runners and that very silly producer.
That hasn't been the case though. Yeah, they all ensure they emphasize the "diversity & inclusion" nonsense but then totally contradict the boobsie twins emphasis on staying "true to Tolkien's wishes". Those two sillies even contradict their own story line constantly; "Go back to the book....ad nauseum" BUT "tell our own unique and totally new concept, to write the story Tolkien never did". Um, which is it kiddies?
It doesn't matter what your intent is anyway, if the results totally contradict the source. Every indication so far, displays huge contradictions to the source.
They'll probably hook a large number of casuals, normies, and/or those that don't give a damn about Tolkien, they just want to watch something as time filler but as for The Tolkien Faithful?
You've done the worst thing possible, subverted expectations with huge contradictions to the Literary Masterpiece we've grown to love. Your time henceforth trying to win us over will be wasted. You may not care right now but in a few years, you'll regret your decisions.
Two stories enter! One story leaves! ( guess which one?).
I think they were hoping for existing fans, normies and new subs for all the money Bezos spent and I don't think normies alone will be enough to pay for this. That's why we're getting mixed messages which is interesting. Once the attacks start they usually don't stop. E.G. the initial non expert Tolkien expert telling us we're disgusting for questioning the validity of black dwarves/elves/new characters et al yet she's been quiet. The tactic of sellouts talking it up isn't working. The actors talking 'diversity' is the old script the showrunners have moved on from etc. Is our reaction why S2 hasn't started filming yet?
Ignore the wokeness, ignore that most of the cast seem to be activists and claim they are bringing that to the role, ignore the fact that this is crapping all over Tolkien's work and having the arrogance to think they can do better...at the most basic level this is an objectively bad looking show. Those cringeworthy character ads, the CW level clips, it just looks like a show I would never watch.
I don't want to know about the actors, I want good characters and a good story.
What does CW mean?
@@boycottamazonlotr7023 CW is a television station in the US that made a lot of shows aimed mostly to young adults. Smalleville was one show. I think Buffy the vampire slayer may have been another.
It looks like a some what impressive scifi original series (are those still a thing?) not like the most expensive TV show based on one of the most beloved franchises of all time.
Huge red flags where you literally never hear any of the cast members show runners or producers talk about any of the plot or show and brag about representation and activists diversity
When will creators and showrunners and producers of all types of media these days learn that they're not entitled to people liking what they made just because they made it? If you want a fanbase, you have to earn it. If you want to make an adaptation and change things from how they were in the original work, you have to show that those changes are worthwhile or that there are other good reasons to enjoy your adaptation.
I am not a fan of Tolkien the brand, I am a fan of Tolkien the man. I accept Peter Jackson's trilogy as flawed but enjoyable, partially because of nostalgia, partially because they're pretty good movies on their own, and partly because I accept that there is no such thing as a perfect adaptation between media as different as novel and film.
I watched the Hobbit trilogy and didn't like it. It went too far in the changes and failed to capture the original appropriately (though there's probably a half-decent adaptation in there somewhere among the bloat).
The people behind Rings of Power have shown time and time again through their marketing that they neither understand nor respect Tolkien's work, and I will not be watching it. Aside from the blatant timeline compression, unnecessary changes from the lore, and random new characters no one will care about, the single statement that it wouldn't feel like Tolkien without hobbits (or something that they are trying to pass off as "not hobbits" to justify their nonsense with a weasely excuse) was enough for me.
Where are they saying they are entitled for people to like their show?
@@arod077 It's more this general attitude of saying "Well, if you don't like it, don't watch it" and then calling fans toxic for criticizing it and wondering why so many are criticizing it. My previous comment was partially in response to the GRRM quote played in this video, where he seems confused why fans of old Star Trek don't like new Star Trek and Tolkien fans don't like Rings of Power. It's almost like fans have minds of their own and know what they like about things they like. It's almost like fans aren't supposed to like anything with [BRAND] name on it just because they are fans of [BRAND]. It's almost as if you change what [BRAND] is for no good reason, then fans of what [BRAND] used to be will see it is no longer the [BRAND] they like, feel betrayed, and criticize it. The people who complain about "toxic fandoms" seem to think that fans should just shut up and like [BRAND] no matter what they do to it. I've seen it over and over and over again for years now, starting with the Star Wars sequels.
@@cuthalion4281 I never said the fans are toxic. They are not. Some are going a little to much on specific things. I just do not like t he whole this show is WOKE. Who cares if it is. Dislike it cause the show is bad not cause a elf is black or a women dwarf has no bread. Also the show has not even come out yet to actually criticize it correctly.
@@arod077 I didn't accuse you of saying the fans are toxic, and I certainly didn't say anything about race swaps or wokeness. I don't have to watch the show to infer from the marketing that it will be terrible, because the showrunners have no respect or understanding of Tolkien's work.
I have watched and read and listenend to various different posts, videos and overall complaints about this series from the moment I learned of its existence, and while many of them have had at least something of merit to add to the overall discussion, I think the most significant point has ever been this: the fact that it is Amazon that has the rights to this story, Amazon that is sinking its grasping fingers into the labour of love of THIS AUTHOR, is by far the greatest crime here, bar none. Tolkien abhorred everything Amazon has come to represent -- unquenchable greed, destruction of the environment and the efforts and stability of life of the smaller folk, blind hubris, evil masquerading as progress towards betterment. Back in his day, Tolkien recognised these qualities (as well as others of a more creatively bankrupt nature) in the Walt Disney company and forbade them from ever touching his work; and how right he was to do so, seeing what they've now become. And yet, in a twist of true tragedy, his books found their way into the hands of an even viler entity eventually, all because his family sought to line their pockets with more millions, as though they hadn't made enough of those already on the back of his lifetime of toil and trials.
Even if Amazon had managed to produce an absolutely stunning adaption of this material, one faithful to the vision of its source to the letter, I would still be boycotting the living lights out of it and refusing to spend a single cent -- a single second of viewing time -- in support of their efforts, because a corporate abomination such as Amazon does not deserve to so much as speak Tolkien's name, much less obtain his legacy. He would not even at swordpoint have approved of their involvement with his beloved texts and characters, and that alone, I believe, is reason enough for anyone who has ever treasured anything this man has done to follow suit when bestowing judgement upon the present circumstances.
I get what you are saying but they bought the rights for it. So maybe blame the Tolkien estates and not Amazon.
Wonderfully articulated. This is indeed the core of the issue. Amazon is the epitome of Sauron and all that is evil in Tolkien's world.
@@arod077 Please read my comment in full -- I make certain to point out precisely this when mentioning the Tolkien heirs.
Very good point. Tolkien loved the little people, nature, tradition, organic culture.
Amazon, Silicon Valley and most of California nowadays certainly seems to be the opposite.
@@littlejune131 I get that but then you can't really get mad at Amazon. They just paid millions for it so why not make a show and make some money out of it.
Congratulations on 50k subscribers, Disparu! Keep up the great work and content.🍻👏
Georgie "oath breaker" Martin is like, "ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?"
"Το κακό δεν μπορεί να δημιουργήσει τίποτα καινούργιο, μπορεί μόνο να διαφθείρει και να καταστρέψει αυτά που οι καλές δυνάμεις έχουν εφεύρει ή κατασκευάσει." - J.R.R. Tolkien
Writers " It's Tolken's untold story "
Everyone watching " NO! Tolken told his story, it's called Lord of the Rings "
I thought parodies were ment to be funny and a cheeky nod to the source material.
A huge THANK YOU for this video, it got some crucially important points that I've been thinking of but haven't been able to articulate in such clear and entertaining way. The way you exposed the methods used by modern corporations to make movies using a mixture of nostalgia to drive in the established fans, and add in new stupid things really had me thinking.
Another thing I thaught about: the danger with series is that, even if it is bad, you can still end up glued to the screen just to find out how the events unfold, or you become affectionate to the characters, not because they're something particularly good, but because of the long expousure time you spent with them. You grow accustomed to them and so they become like known people to you and you MUST see their stories unfold. I've had this experience with multiple average tv shows. That's the reason they make mostly tv series nowadays, because it is easier to lock the viewer on the screen using the characters, and you really don't have to care about making a "structured" story, with a dramatic arch, like in a film for example.
Sorry for my english, hope I was clear.
"What's the best thing about the Rings of Power?"
"I'm in it."
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They are all narcissists.
The hubris of these show runners who think they can improve one of the greatest literary works of the English language
"This is about working out how far we can push that line before you stop watching. This isn't about what you want to watch, it is about working out what we want in a package that you will swallow"
That sums up so much of modern entertainment anymore. AKA pushing "The Message" as much as possible, where ever possible just a little bit at a time to push their brand of ideology until it becomes embedded in everyone.
Propaganda doesn't have to be subtle or good (although it helps). Most of all, it needs to be everywhere.
"There weren't Elves that looked like me."
Apparently he's never watched any fantasy anime filled with dark skinned elves.
One word would suffice: Drow.
Seriously, what self-respecting adult man watches cartoons for Japanese children.
Or ever played an Elder Scrolls game.
or pulled his head out of his own ass long enough to consider "wait, i love the characters even though they don't look like me... maybes skin color isn't the most important thing in the universe...."
@@MrSeedi76 N'wah!
A great example of honoring the works of a dead author is Wheel of Time and Robert Jordan. Brandon Sanderson did everything as an author to remain faithful to Jordan's WoT finishing the books for fans. WoT is the 2nd best fantasy series after LotR. Other writers can pick up a dead author's works, stay faithful to the original intention but add their own style.
Its because Brandon is a straight white christian man.
Then there is the show. Made by Amazon if I remember right
Yea you scared me for a moment. Thought you meant the Amazon show which is horrible.
Tena Lady sponsors 'Amazon's The Rings of Power'. It's so bad you'll want total protection when you piss yourself laughing.
The quote from Twitter gave me PTSD from death stranding, "wait, the game gets good at the 10th hour", then that became "Wait, it gets good at 17" and so one.
I can't think of a more offensive image to Tolkien's philosophy than to describe his Middle Earth as a place where to drill for oil, as these two clowns admitted.
The allegory for their greed and complete disregard for the pre existing tribe and natural environment surrounding them is just too good.
Almost 50k subs, congrats! Well deserved. Just shows what getting drunk and DMing G&G can do for a channel lol
Lmao that was indeed the start of it all. Kinda crazy to think of how different things would be for me now if that night had been different. I often think about how things could have changed if several pivotal moments hadn't happened exactly how they did.
@@disparutoo And back on FNT again tonight, have a godd one mate. Will you be doing any FNT's while the Rings of Shite are on, because they are doing a review of each show as FNT directly follows it.
I maintain if they want to do something like this it should have been set in Far Harad. Little is said about it, but Numenoreans had colonies there, married the locals, the local people were black, since it's primordial Africa. It wouldn't involve screwing up the established lore, and could be pretty interesting. There were cults to Ungoliant in Far Harad. Stories about the heroes fighting them could be fun. And since there were colonies from Numenor you could still have Numenor show up. Hell, just do the foundation of Umbar.
@annatar lord of gifts Tolkien describes Far Harad as being inhabited by a race of 'black-skinned people'. Though he also refers to them as the 'troll-men' and it's pretty nebulous what that means. And yes, Harad is inhabited by people, the Haradrim, inspired by Arabs and North Africans like Berbers. Far Harad isn't. If you just look at the map of Arda it's clearly just sub-Saharan Africa. Who else would be living there (aside from aforementioned Numenorean colonies)?
I don't understand how George R.R Martin can say this.
This is the same man who has said that if he dies before A Song of Ice and Fire is finished he wants the manuscripts burned rather than have someone else finish his work.
Yet somehow he is confused by why people may be upset by people changing a dead authors work.
This makes no sense to me.
I hope there's a 'Luke, I'm your father' scene in the show
I feel like there is no way that any of the people involved with this show are tolkien or lotr fans. With the lotr movies it felt from interviews with everyone involved that they were honored to be there. It was almost in sense that they didnt want to mess up such a great piece of literature and were therefor extremely respectful. With the people working on rings of power i dont get any sense that they even like the lotr trilogy or care about tolkien. I think if you would tell anyone who was involved in this show it was tolkiens work at the start or the end of process it wouldnt make a difference, because they just didnt care about that fact.
“Now goblins are cruel, wicked, and bad-hearted. They make no beautiful things, but they make many clever ones.” - the hobbit
I have resigned myself to the fact that The Message will supersede making an entertaining show. I now watch breakdowns of shows that, on paper, I should be a fan of. The Marvel and Star Wars shows and movies have no appeal, no draw to me anymore. The Lord of the Rings show looks almost desperate to declare itself as a massive popular hit that everyone is watching and everyone is talking about. But the rare shows that do that have to earn it. I look forward to watching the breakdowns of episodes on this channel and others. It's as close as I can get to enjoying a show lately.
I know! I was just thinking the same thing...I can't even get excited about these shows I absolutely should be getting excited about. Its very depressing.
George R.R.Martin being obtuse while being obtuse. Yeah, George, I loved my dog then it got rabies and bit me. I don't think that dog is the same dog after contracting the rabies. Lassie is no longer Lassie, George. 'Rings of Power' has the rabies, George. It is time to put it down and out of its misery.
Wow. I've seen you a couple times on FNT but hadn't watched one of your videos until now. Not only is your delivery top notch but the content of this video is spot on. Subscribed.
Don’t you remember the chapter in the Silmarillion, “On the Kit Kat sponsorship of the Noldor”?!?
Or the Dagor Doritodust?!
The Battle of Unnumbered Cheetos?!?
You have a brilliant capability for describing clearly the issue. Thank you. The only good thing Amazon can do is reshoot with good writing, following Tolkien properly.
Rings of Power is not Lord of the Rings. It's not done by tolkien, there's no one alive in the Tolkien family or the Tolkien State making sure it feels like Tolkien, and it's also not done by people who respect Tolkien. It's just an empty brand
Great point about how the flow of information is limited for a lot of people. I'd say that is definitely intentional, confuse, subvert, divide conquer. It's harder to organize and fight against them when it's so difficult to even understand what they are doing, and convincing people that any of it is happening at all, if they don't follow it to the exact same depth we do, is almost impossible.
You described it perfectly. Instead of giving people what they want, they are giving people what the showrunner want and packaging it in something the viewer already loves. These people, these activists… they never see anything that is okay to be left alone. People MUST be educated and taught to think like them because they know better than us
When someone says "I am an activist" my first question is always "how much of your own money have you given to the cause?"
"There werent elves that looked like me" - The man's 2 years younger than me, so he would've been a boy in the late '80s/early 90s. I can remember devouring fantasy fiction, games, etc from that time period, & I certainly found elves that weren't pale Europeans. Elfquest, Runequest, D&D 3E. Drizzt & the Drow were initially depicted with dark brown skin rather than the purplish black of later editions. Drizzt & the Drow are certainly problematic & viewed as such now, but at the time, he was adopted by many fans from ethnic minorities.
It seems very unfortunate for the creators how readily they forget their trailblazing predecessors.
There was, I believe, a female elf of colour in the 2000' movie Dungeons and Dragons. If one would care, anyway...
"Drow were initially depicted with dark brown skin"-- No. Males were described as having "dead black skin" and females "glossy black skin". Source: TSR module G3 (1978).
@@jrd33 @John Davis Correct, that's *description* - I'm talking about *depictions* in illustrations, like the covers of The Crystal Shard & Queen of the Spiders. I'm just saying that there absolutely were depictions of elves with brown skin in popular fantasy fiction, even if they did not necessarily match the descriptions. I'm sure there were earlier depictions with pitch black skin as well.
@@jrd33 they were drawn as brown african elves. Check out the front page of the Icewind dale triology books of Drizzt from the late 1980s, compared to drizzt novels in the 2000s.
I think that idiot was talking specifically about tolkins elfes, since there were visual depictions of them at the time already. But since Tolkins world is based on angle-sackson/germanic/Northern folklore, they were of course not dark skinned.
What really gets me is the childish, simplistic world view of people like that. Elves are a different SPECIES than humans. What on earth does skin color have to do with it, when we are talking about completely different species (yes they can create hybrids, but tolkien was very clear that Elves, dwarfs and hobbits are NOT just different subsets of humans).
Would that guy also feel like a black/brown dragon is somehow representing him more than a white/green/red/golden one? I mean, how simplified is their approach to empathy if its more about what color the person is (color meaning actual color here, not race) vs. if it is literally ANOTHER SPECIES than yourself?
Tolkiens genius work of art is holy to the people who love him and holds his creations close to heart. And for it to be handled with disrespect feels like blasphemy. And that is what fans hate. They hate the blasphemy of something holy. I think that is what star trek fans, star wars fans and LOTR fans feel. We hate the blasphemy of what we love!
Congrats on 50k subs 👏 Keep doing what you're doing!! 💚
Watching Amazon struggling to fix that mess is like watching the titanic dive very slowly.
Someone who calls themselves a fan but can't connect with characters unless they look like them is not a real Tolkien fan. I don't need characters to look like me to connect with them, those who need that are shallow and they lack imagination.
Agree. But then again, I don't mind seeing someone else on the screen, especially if they're smoking ... hot ... hehehe. 😜
@@RoseBaggins 😆
Exactly! As a black woman who fell in love with sci-fi and fantasy as a girl, good story and characterization made it easy for me to relate to and empathize with a story/character. Of course I liked to see my image represented but not under the flimsy guise of diversity at the expense of world-building or story!
@@Blakmagic88 right? And I would love to see some fantasy based on African mythology, like how Lord of the Rings was based on Norse. But with the way these people are, I wouldn't trust them to do it right.
The Thrones of Kit-Kat brought you by Amazon Prime.
Can’t wait for the intersectional Rings of Power skittles. “Taste the Rings of Power Rainbow”
George is outspoken against fan fiction which is hilarious.
That "teaser" they put out was totally a "young and the restless" ripoff!!!
Cordova is an activist. Activists don't dream of becoming Elves. Activists dream of defiling and destroying things they consider to be limitations to their ego.
The rose hips might not lie but everyone involved with this show has. Evil cannot create anything new. They can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented.
Tolkien - "I wrote The Lord of the Rings because I wished -to- -try- -my- -hand- -at- -a- -really- -long- -story- create a tax write off for a massive world wide corporation that would -hold- shame the -attention- beliefs of readers, -amuse- mock them, -delight- disappoint them, and at times maybe -excite- -them- -or- -deeply- -move- -them- take their money to fuel more shit ideas'"
I fixed the quote for Amazon.
Instead of making a story in the same manner as Tolkien we decided to make something completely different using Tolkien's work as a skin suit because no one would be interested in it otherwise.
Hey!? Why does no one want our product bereft of what made people love Tolkien's works?
"It puts the lotion on the skin or it gets the hose again"
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Well said Disparu!
It's superficial, egotistical and ideologically driven. It's the very opposite of JRR Tolkien. Anyone who is a true Tolkien fan can see it as clear as day.
I’m in complete agreement. Here’s the REAL TRICK though for us. We have to practice what we preach. The only way we can change these trends of literal INTELLECTUAL ROBBERY is that we must NOT WATCH the series. Watching it and hating it still get Amazon what they want: viewership. Am I curious regarding how badly mangled and disrespected will be Tolkien Lore and want to see the train wreck myself? Completely and utterly. However, I/we need to practice what we preach, else Amazon will throw it back in our faces and say “look how many people are watching it; all of these complaints are just fringe criticism”. Take a stand, ignore the brand.
I think this was a vehicle Bezos thought would increase their sub count & spent accordingly. Many are angry enough to have already cancelled with others waiting for its release to send their message. Yes, some will watch anyway but enough? Netflix realised they couldn't continue & made some moves. They'd allowed various people to greenlight shows with little oversight. Gave activists the idea it was okay to barge into senior meetings to demand show removals & leak contracts. Hollywood is slow but Amazon will learn Netflix lesson. YTers will watch & we can get feedback from them without resorting to views.