As Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power closes in on release this is a longer video today. A lot to cover in order to make the arguments at the end, but there is so much that Amazon Prime Video have done in their marketing disaster so far, there always seems to be more weird arguments to counter. But the LA Times arguments might be the most honest, and nonsensical view into why so many IP's all fall fowl of the same ideas and begin to all look the same. Is there any variety in a world where every IP is identical? Let me know your thoughts on the video and the Rings of Power release down below, and as always, thanks for watching :)
you're always complaining about things you don't like, you never propose anything good. why would i hear 30 minutes of complains, it was better before, are u 70 year old or what. i don't even support any woke shit , anyway next
Keep em coming brother I have to make a few Videos as well was going to wait for the first two episodes but its getting so bad and the show is days away lol.
We are watching the South Park episode, The history channels thanksgiving play out in real life. "Nowhere does it say that aliens weren't at the first thanksgiving"
I'm a woman, and I loved masculinity in LotR. Men were brave but also scared, they cried and laughed, they fought and loved. Sam holding Frodo's hand, Aragorn kissing Boromir, Faramir loving his big brother despite dad's favouritism, so many emotionally beautiful moments...
Well now thanks to feminism, you get none of that. In fact, they have no problem telling you exactly what you want as a woman - and acting on your behalf
well, obviously, a story in current year cant have emotionally mature male characters that have some range. that would make their girl boss look bad. thats not very woke. all the male characters have to be incompetent and one dimensional, and the one that is actually competent, mature, and not played by an effeminate looking actor, has to be the bad guy. deliberately erasing the classic masculinity from the story is another part of hollywoods attack on everything traditional, towards the global new world order they imagine where everything is exactly the same and everyone has to consume their product. the only thing they dont realize is, nobody wants their product anymore.
@Hello Again Hello here's the snag - a big butch long cocked dirty and smelly brick layer does NOT exclude him being "a sensitive male". Neither is a weak, thin, gentle looking geek necessarily ACTUALLY a softie. I don't see this as a problem of vagininity vs penistude, as much as the problem today's writers seem to believe that only physical power === REAL power. I mean look at Tarkin. He's a skinny old *itch who can't even use the force. But has SO MUCH POWER. The thing that bothers me is, they deny power without physical strength. Galadriel had the ULTIMATE pussy power - men would lose their heads over her and do what ever she wants. Her whole ARC is not succumbing to the Ring giving her the power to make "everyone love her and despair". And it wouldn't be SO bad, if "power and strength IN SPITE of lack of physical prowess" wasn't the CENTRAL THEME OF TOLKIEN'S WORK. You know what's LESS masculine than an 8 year old girl in a unicorn suit? Frodo Baggins.
It began with the forging of the great films. Threads were given by Tolkien, immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings. Rights were granted to Jackson, great miner and craftsman of the mountain of lore. And nine, nine hours were gifted to the race of men, who above all else, desire quality. But they were all of them deceived, for another show was made. In the Land of Amazon, in the fires of Mount Prime, the Dark Lord Bezos forged in secret a massive flop. And into this show he poured his money, his greed and his will to dominate all film. One film to ruin them all, one film to bind them, in the Land of Amazon where the shadows lie.
@@noyoudontgettoknow8586 No dude, he just wants o make money. Woke people are usually richer so in the eyes of marketing they have superior buying power.
@@JM-mh1pp if he wanted to make money he wouldn't have said the show is not about money, but over and above that, its not like the term "get woke go broke" was just coined today. just about everything in film, that has gone woke has failed. and the most glaring example of why this is not about money is, because in the last 20 years the only movies to be #1 in the box office, and to sweep almost all the awards, were the peter jacksons lord of the rings movies. so its not as if the formula for making money off this IP was some unknown secret.
The fact that Tolkien's works have been translated into a plethora of languages and is one of the top ten selling books of all time, tells me that it already has universal appeal.
Yeah, but this isn't that. This is the most expensive 'fan flick' ever. And that's even pushing it coz it's actually not a fan flick, coz the writers/producers are no fans. They are platform paracites that try to get their politics into a platform, along with Bezos wanting his GOT pet project. That's what this is.... sn abomination.
I've been saying all this since the beginning! As a person of color (and a writer with an English and History degree), I believe Tolkien was already universal. All his themes were universal. This isn't based on Tolkien, it is based on someone's idea of what they think Tolkien should be. The man was born in South Africa. He knew people of color. But he was an English professor. He translated Beowulf. He co-authored a textbook. I read the works he used to create his world. The dwarves from Prose/Elder Edda, Arthur, etc. You can get a degree in Tolkien Literature. I don't want it changed because some person (who never read over 12 volumes of actual Middle-Earth History) thinks reinterpreting the incomplete Appendix of the LOTR is based on the entirety of Tolkien's universe should be the basis of a television series that has to use "Lord of the Rings" above the show title to convince millions of Tolkien fans (and scholars) that this is either what Tolkien should have written or what they think Tolkien actually meant when he created the forerunner of modern universe building. I mean, come on! Why spend $1 billion dollars to ruin a classic when they could have just CREATED a story of their own? I actually wrote a M-E story purposely written to FIT in Tolkien's world, and I did it without changing ONE THING. Even the characters were created based on Tolkien's method of character creation. (The problem with that was people thought it was Tolkien even though it's in first person). I did it to learn how to universe-build (as I have a world of my own to create) from the master. This show is scaring the heck out of me as an English major, trust me.
Thank you, Jaynae. I absolutely respect and am grateful for your putting this into words. My sister is an English major and a writer, and she wouldn't even watch the new RoP. I saw the first installment and was appalled. It just felt so.... off. The dialog fell flat and seemed contrived. The lack of anything that seemed good or memorable was staggering. I have been trying to put my finger on the main issues, and trying to explain what was wrong with it, and you hit the nail on the head.
The friendship between Legolas and Gimli is an amazing example of how Tolkien appreciated the importance of people from completely different cultures and people, being able to not only coexist, but overcome biases, and develop a strong bond and appreciation for one another. Our society is to simple to understand concepts unless they are broken down to the simplest form.
That really more from the Peter Jackson films. Which tired to simplify the books for a general audience. After seeing the series, I can tell you the lore is still pretty dense.
It's not just that they're attacking them, they're trying to belittle them when they compare them to these Bezos slaves. I would feel offended if i was Elijah Woods, it's probably one of the best played roles in modern age movies and they dare to even compare them to these woke activists? I actually feel offended for him myself
“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.” -Orwell
Wasn't meant to be a road map to our destruction or at one time I believed that. Now i wonder. If you look into orwell you'll find that he was into some freaky occult garbage.
As a POC I never felt the urge or desire to see "people like me" in LOTR because I could already see myself in the characters. I related with he characters because of who they are and NOT because of what they look like.
these people are toxic idiots, they just jump on the bandwagon to promote there own agenda, love how instead of making a new story to show there own representation they are targeting all the full white cast movies and shows
"Nope, you're wrong. You absolutely cannot see anything familiar in another person other than skin color and who they touch privates with. That's it. If you do anything else you're a bigotphobist!" - Hollywood
For those who seem to not be able to grasp that not honoring and respecting an author's original work and that changing an IP just because it's "fiction" or "fantasy" destroys the original work and what made it great to begin with, as a musician I can suggest a musical analogy for this issue: Imagine you go to a Beethoven or Mozart or Bach concert, or any other great work by a celebrated composer, to listen their great masterpieces of music, that is so beloved and celebrated that they've continued to be performed for centuries; but when you hear the performance, the majority of the music has been changed, only having a small portion of the original composition, even to the point that the music is unrecognizable as the original composers work - and yet the current production and performers still name the musical piece the same and by the same composer, even though it bears little to no resemblance to the original, all in the name of making it "resemble modern music". Wouldn't you feel a bit cheated having expected to see an original masterpiece by Beethoven, Mozart or Bach? Every single note matters, otherwise it wouldn't be the same composition. The same goes for words and literature, or another artistic creation for that matter - change it enough from the original form and intention of the original creator/author, than it's no longer the same work, with the same inherent value, and therefore shouldn't be held out as such. Bottomline and what I have to say to all these producers and show runners that seem to want to change and destroy nearly every IP they get their hands on and inject their own ideas and ideology into - make your own damn original creation, reflect whatever modern notions in it you want, and leave beloved classic IP's alone! Unless you intend to be true to it and genuinely want to respectfully celebrate and adapt the work to another medium while continuing to be faithful to it. And hey if you want to do a different interpretation of someone else' masterpieces or work, then make it clear that's what you doing and don't gaslight everyone and try and pretend you're honoring the source material, when you're clearly aren't and have your own agenda.
Here's an even worse scene, based on your analogy: All that the concert organisers talk about is how diverse the musicians are and how now people of different ethnicities can enjoy that classic piece of music more cos it has some ethnic chanting in it and it's played by multi-ethnic musicians that they can relate more to cos it reflects them...what a mare!! 🤦♂️
@@thecloudtherapist :D i never will understand this like imagine you listen to guns and roses and then someone will tell you that they are white and he cant enjoy them because he cant relate to them..skip to some bar..and then the same song for example sweet child of mine is played by a amateur but the amateur is i dont know a asian dude on guitar and black person on drums etc..and the same person will tell you he likes the song :D this is how i feel when someone starts to speak about diversity trying to push something this hard is gonna backfire and its happening with rings of power right now and marvel is haing the same problem
I have been pondering why the show looks so bad. Peter Jackson and Weta designed everything to look real. The clothes look absolutely real, made of quality fabrics, and they are discoloured or scuffed appropriately. Every item looks like a genuine item you would buy. Arrmour is properly articulated and looks heavy. They did a lot of research into historical items. Rings of Power is NOT this. Everything looks like a lightweight fantasy costume. The materials look fake and it all looks like cosplay. The hair all looks unnatural. Etc.
That's a fake out. The final cut he says "It's Morbin' time" and Morbius appears in Middle Earth. :^) (I'm going to Internet hell for using this meme of a joke)
The scene where Sauron says: "This ring is perfect", and Guyladriel answers: "It will be, when it fits a woman" is the best piece of cinema i have ever seen :D
i personally loved how they made all the Orcs a hot-pink colour and wear lingerie - a welcome change to the lore that really reflects the world we live in
This 'universalizing' of IP from unique and diverse cultures reminds me of the Ministry of Truth from Orwells 1984, changing historical records to extend Big Brothers reach further back in time. What if that movement started with classic literature and culture based IP and eventually cross-pollenated to historical record.
Precisely, well fucking said. I too believe it's exactly what is happening right now. It just makes no sense. These studios have such ridiculous amounts of time and money these days, it doesn't add up why the material is so SHITE. It really is getting to the point where it feels intentional. Fucking disgusting.
@@KalonOrdona2 America is doing what t has always done. Aren't the changing slavery to involuntary relocation to appease white moms? You've always changed history to suit you, not for accuracy.
Okay - this is officially my favorite video Disparu has put out so far. He excellently explains so many issues that have turned into traps for modern storytelling. So this is my 'Disparu Appreciation' post - feel free to like if you appreciate him too.
"Bezos spent his energy in envy and hate, until at last he could make nothing save in mockery of the thought of others; and all their works he destroyed if he could." - J.R.R. Tolkien.
The Art of Tolkien is more than pretty colors, Elves with pointy ears or even War. Death and the Mortality of Man kind, is the overall Theme to his works. For those of us that see the tragic beauty and heart wrenching love stories this poetic man left us.
My understanding of LoTR and The Hobbit was a sort of nostalgia for the old days where peace, happiness and lack of industrialisation existed. Instead they focus on progress, unhappiness and war. Yeah ...
(TLDR, RoPrime is terrible and makes no sense. I hate it, and what we had used to be good.) There is plenty of war in Tolkien's world, but I understand your point. Much more happiness and peace lies in those writings at any given time than what this show is setting up. Even Faerun had points of joy and peace, and it has become more modern, which isn't exactly a good thing. But the people in these worlds acted in different ways for different reasons. For instance, they only had that one guy blow up at Arondir to portray that the elves are hated? So why would one woman decide to show him any mercy apart from what the others do? Why are people suddenly just okay with the elves taking over their lands or a kingdom overseas with no say or action in reference to a location ever go there to help them? The only reason Numenorians ever went to the mainland was for Gondor, and even then, it was for trade.
"These are fictional characters so do whatever". This never applies to a white guy being the next Black Panther or the next actor to portray Aladdin. This only goes in one direction, and only with sensitivity about the specific racial makeup of the modern United States. Which is so dumb and myopic I can't even tell you.
I remember when Viggo Mortensen turned down the offer of an Aragorn cameo in The Hobbit. That could have been an easy paycheque, but he did it because he knew the character (or at least an iteration played by him) had no place in the timeline.
They could have fit the character in actually. Most of the Hobbit trilogy was made up anyway. The book is only 300 pages or so. The entire third movie is basically one page of the book. Aragon has more justification to be in the Hobbit trilogy than half of the made up characters that weren't in the book either. The bigger issue is that story takes place about 60 yesrs before lotr, so Aragorn would be a younger man in his 30's or so. So viggo mortensen would have to look quite a bit younger than in the lotr movies while in reality he was of course older.
I've already seen the first episode and when Galadriel turned her head after defeating her enemies, she boldly shouted "It's morbin time." It was so stunning and amazing!
This show has got to be a slow-mo train wreck when this many people get excited about Disparu slamming RoP for 30 min flat. There was so much potential. How the heck did we get moob armor and unrecognizable beloved characters from a billion dollar budget? 😢
I'd be happier if it was a fast-mo train wreck that even the shill media was forced to recognize as a travesty asap, but I suspect we all still have a battle on our hands...
Hasnt Tolkien explicitly said the books are NOT an allegory for they wars? Didnt he HATE allegory in general? Am I remembering things completely backwards? Im almost completely sure Ive heard he said its a completely separate thing.
Tolkien's quote on allegory: “I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history - true or feigned- with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.”
You’re right. He states it in a prologue to The Lord of the Rings and even explains how events would have turned out if they were inspired by rl events
I think perhaps smaller elements of the story may reflect parts of the war instead of some grand overarching narrative. For instance this passage: It was Sam's first view of a battle of Men against Men, and he did not like it much. He was glad that he could not see the dead face. He wondered what the man's name was and where he came from; and if he was really evil of heart, or what lies or threats had led him on the long march from his home; and if he would rather have stayed there in peace. That sounds like it would be something Tolkien may have pondered while he was in the trenches.
"Elijah who?" Sums it up perfectly. Nothing that came before "US" is important, only now that "WE" are here can human history truly begin! The hubris and arrogance is staggering!
"The trick of any successful adaptation is to stay true to the story." - LA Times "Yes, and that's why Rings of Power is going down in flames." - Everyone Else
RoP is the perfect example of someone who takes the line "nine rings were gifted to the race of Men, who above all else desire power." and thinks the race of men means males.
Watching the first episode, I learned that boats float because of the force. And rocks sink because they fall to the dark side of the force. Or something like that.
If they hate the original story so much, then create something original and new, with it's own new name. Quit stealing the original ideas of someone else and completely changing it to fit your narrative. They use the name of the original works to get the fan's attention to watch what they are creating, but then get upset when the fans are pissed that they destroyed the authors creation.
I don't have the exact quote to hand, but for the WW2 allegory, Tolkien said something like "IF I had been writing about WW2, then I would have had Elrond's council make THEIR OWN One Ring and use it on Sauron." It might even be in the introduction to one of the LotR books or something. Which you would think the showrunners would REAd
If I recall correctly, Tolkien hated intentional allegory and any allegory derived from his work would be one the reader extracts himself from the text (the ring as an allegory to addiction and its corrupting influence, Frodo's wounds being a form of PTSD, etc).
@@arwenstrong2818 It's in a forward to the second edition written by Tolkien. He is very explicit about interpretations that should NOT be placed on LoTR . There is no room for doubt about his intentions.
I believe It's in the forward to the Two Towers. I listened to them all on Audible this summer while I do my runs and I remember listening to that. Part of me thinks it was in a post script after the fellowship but that doesn't sound right...This Amazon series is pretty much everything Tolkien would have hated to see his universe to become.
Just started reading lord of the rings again. Page 11 and 12 of the Preface, Tolkien explicitly states that he hates alegorie in every sense of it. He gives preference to history, true or made up, with her varied applicability on the mind and expierence of the reader. He also states that many people confuse 'applicability' with 'allegorie', exept the one rests on the freedom of the ready and the other on the domination of the writer. Just reading this and then seeing al your videos about how the marketing of RoP has been focusing on allegorie just frustates me to the bone. They just threw out every respect for Tolkiens work and ideas and just wanted to make what they wanted because of f. all.
"All we want you to do is respect the lore, keep to the canon and if you're going to change anything then it should look and feel and be what the text says" WHY IS THIS SO FREAKIN' DIFFICULT?! Tolkien's world is fine how it is. The director/producers are foolish if they think they can come up with something better than the original work. Period. Your assessment is spot on assessment: you change one detail and everything else changes to compensate. Thanks for keeping it honest and being informed about what is actually going on.
""So if you’re expressing “respect the original material” outrage over a Black actor playing a Velaryon or an Afro-Iranian playing a Dwarven princess, you might want to remember what happened to those original-material characters who refused to acknowledge that the world had changed. Because it wasn’t good."" is this LA Times author threatening fans?
I love this show because it builds so much confidence in people. You think your writing is shit? Feel insecure? Read that line and understand- a guy writing for a BILLION dolar shows wrote it!
My take is that it was actually a group of people that came up with this one. I can only imagine that there were a set of cringe-worthy lines - the writers put 'em up on a dartboard, and let chance have its pick of which lines would be included.
I'm REALLY hoping they've managed to do something stupid in their presentation of "Harfoots" as some sort of cliched Irish Traveller / Gypsy which will offend that "community" in order to enjoy the fallout as woke eats woke.
When Guyladrriel stood up to address the diverse Numeroneans she prefaced her speech with an audible fart. Her first words to the crowd were "There was a tempest in me." So stunning and brave.
I don't think they ever understood why The Lord of the Rings was so successful was because it was faithfully adapted by fans who understood the material.
"It began with the forging of the great films, Threads were given by Tolkein: wisest and fairest of all writers, Rights were granted to Jackson, great minder and craftsman of the mountain of lore, And nine, nine hours were gifted to the race of men who, above all else, desire quality, But they were all of them deceived, for another show was made. In the land of Hollywood, in the fires of Amazon Prime, the Dark Lord Bezos forged in secret a master flop, And into this show he poured his money, his greed, and his will to dominate all film, One film to ruin them all, One interpretation to find them, One ideology to bring them all, and in the wokeness bind them"
I was so hyped when Galadriel pointed her sword at the orc and said, “You’ve got to ask yourself one question: ‘Do I feel lucky?’ Well do ya, punk?” Bad@$$ Tolkien at his best!
Tolkien specifically said he would “resent” changes to his characters and language. These people are insulting the author, and those who love his works. And George Martin is not worthy of the “R.R.”. I hereby revoke his middle initials!
It just dawned on me. How much would you bet that none of the elves would speak elvish and none of the dwarfs would speak dwarfish? Aside from songs which do not count.
Well said Disparu. “Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it”. When you build on something you should have a strong foundation and a strong structure. What happens when you despise your foundation and structure and start building, adding on, any way you want?
Disparu is based beyond belief. I have recently subscribed, and the bell icon is ringing at me every time he posts. Great videos, and thank you for respecting the lore. Amazon will rue the day they messed with Tolkien's works.
I simply can’t wait to watch FrodX pull the power sword out of their shoulder sheath and exclaim, “By the power of Greyskull…I have the Power!” Gives me chills just thinking about it!
Hold your ground, hold your ground! Fans of Tolkien, of Peter Jackson, my brothers! I see in your eyes the same labelings that would take the credibility out of me! A day may come when then creativity of men fails. When we forsake our character characterizations and break all bonds of plot consistency, but it is not this day. An hour of political pandering and bad tokenization, when the age of good writing comes crashing down! But it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good franchise, I bid you stand, Fans of the Original source!
Do you remember when they would always refute the old "you wouldn't want a white man playing Black Panther" argument by telling us that race was integral to who that character is and therefore it is essential? Well that is exactly the situation here as well but for some reason they seem to have move the goal posts again. This is a mythology created for Britain and Europe using our existing myths and tales. It is essential that the characters look like white Europeans in order for that story to be told. If the race swapping is acceptable here then it is equally acceptable for the Black Panther cast to be white, Chinese, Korean, Pakistani, native American etc.
The "race is essential to the character" only applies to black characters and always applies to every black character. They're now saying that Magneto can and should be recast as black.
theyre just tiptoeing around the fact that their ideology boils down to "white man bad" and will say whatever BS they can come up with while slowly moving the goalposts ever further towards "white man bad". unfortunately for them, white man has money in his pocket and they arent getting any of it anymore.
If they wanted general entertainment to be more "diverse and inclusive" why not simply adapt AFRICAN or ASIAN stories and myths (instead of defacing/changing European-based stories)? That'd get you the cast you want. But no, that has no known "franchise"-potential or existing fanbase. So it won't make money. Too bad the joke's on them as this won't make any either.
I remember when I watched the 1st LOTR Peter Jackson film in the cinema/theatre and I loved it. I cared about the characters and their journey and wanted to know what happened next so I picked up the books as a year between films is looooong. What I DIDN'T think was "I wish there was a black elf or black dwarf" or "I wonder if any of the characters were "LGBTQ+" cause it didn't F'ING MATTER to the story!! They blame fans but you have issues if you cant appreciate someone's hard work cause there isn't a "diverse" character on the screen or in the books. There are so many LOTR knockoffs but at least those don't claim to be what they're not and they won't create anything original as nobody would watch!! I hope when this fails miserably and they lose a billions $'s that it send a message to studios that slapping a successful IP in the title whilst pissing on the author and making up whatever BS they want to push wont work. If you don't like what Tolkien wrote then find something else
Keep in mind the BBC all but disallows contented white, heterosexual couples in the series they fund. Britain, for example, is 3% black but the number of white women married in BBC series to black men is well over 25%. That's not coincidence.
I actually despised Jackson's arguments for his "redress of balance" throwing Arwen out early and replacing Glorfindel. Jackson was an affront to Tolkien, for his "reasons", and this amazone bunch have taken the ball and ran, they have reasons galore why things need to change.
@@snoopstp4189 Yeah, but those were fairly reasonable changes - plus Arwen was part of a legitimate subplot, tied to Aragorn, and thus she benefitted from more screen time. So there were reasons far outside of 'redressing'. And IP means 'intellectual property'.
I guess they didn't know that the fellowship trilogy was meant to also be a memorial to his friends he lost to the first war and they are represented as the main hobbits. Tolkien writing these novels was his only way to cope with survivors guilt he felt for years wondering why he didn't die with his unit. His wife encouraged him to write more about middle earth to keep moving forward and heal. Tolkien and his friends were simple people, unimportant who all mutually loved fantasy and they were his fellowship in college to adulthood, all got drafted together. Him being pulled from the trenches due to his health with trench fever is how we got the books. The trench unit he was in had no survivors after the last mission they were assigned he just missed. So there is my main reason for being pissed off. These people are mocking the only way Tolkien knew how to keep his friends alive with what they all cherished together. It never would've been published for the public had CS Lewis not told him to after reading his work when they became friends. If something is that important to you it will show and flourish. What other novel can keep up with the most translated religious book to exist aka The Bible? Not Harry Potter. 60+ languages can all enjoy the middle earth lore together. If that isn't inclusive enough I don't know what to say. If any of the producers watched the documentary on Tolkien's life that came out a year after he died they would know all this shit. PBS of all channels aired it right when Peter Jackson released the first movie. I got to watch the documentary again for college and not one person in that classroom had a dry eye when it was over because of all the hardship Tolkien lived with and overcame. Nobody today will ever hold a candle to this man.
None of this matters to the "current day crowd who wants to see themselves in everything". To them, it's just ONE MORE WORK in need of "fixing", as opposed, oh, I don't know, maybe creating entirely new POC fantasy franchises for anyone interested in such franchises and starring AS MUCH DIVERSITY as whoever wrote it wants to put in there, and who, as the creator of the work, gain as much financial benefit from it as many other (white) creators got for their efforts. :/ If you want to see how this work in action, just search for the upcoming three INDIAN superhero movies coming out not too far in the future - both classic franchises for the modern audience as well as brand new characters created recently. I'm also keeping an eye on Brahmastra Shiva, but I'm also hearing rumors that a brand new Hanuman movie will also drop within a year or so. :/
Ismael: Arondir is an elf, but also a warrior. So you see the struggle between that femininity and masculinity, like a tug of war. Arondir: Breathes in bland
They can, however, sabotage its social relevance and poison it from the inside by inserting modern politics into it, which is EXACTLY what they are doing. :/
Here's the thing though if they really wanted to "reflect what the world actually looks like." they would've had 60% of the cast being Asian(20% would be Chinese) and yet there are no Asians and the only diversity is sub-saharan Africans. That's not diverse at all that seems racist.
It's a very lazy form of "diversity". We get this a lot in British TV and advertising where the'll throw in minorities no matter how out of place they are and they're nearly always black. The biggest non-white ethnicity in the UK by far is South Asians but you wouldn't know that from TV and advertising because they're massively underrepresented. Instead a London-based media and marketing industry just copies what it sees in London where there is a large and long-established black community (actually communities - Caribbean, West African, Somali, etc) and completely ignores the rest of the country outside their little bubble.
I loved the scene were Sauron asked Optimus Prime "is that an big wrench in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?" I cried, so stunning and brave.
I find George RR Martin absolutely repulsive for having said that. Tolkien is dead and is the only person entitled to change LotR and anything related.
Indeed, they've gone so downhill. I haven't read them regularly for a while, though one of my housemates is subscribed to them. When I do decide to take a look at their articles, I usually wish I hadn't, lol.
Maybe it's in Orwell (edit: I mean 1984 when I saw "Orwell"), or Idiocracy, or both, where they cover how language developed (or, rather deteriorated) over time. In Orwell language is controlled, monitored, with an explicit attempt to limit it down to single words only. In Idiocracy language has been mostly forgotten, so people just construct random nonsensical sentences without knowing the definition of certain words. This is like both combined.
Tolkien and C.S. Lewis fought bitterly over Lewis using Father Christmas in Narnia. Why anyone would believe the man that argued against the modern insertion of Father Christmas would be ok with ROP modernism is beyond sane.
I do agree though, I didn't like the use of Father Christmas in the story, it felt completely out of nowhere and while it was important that the kids got their weapons, it would have been cooler if Aslan had given it.
Great video. As you say, the sad irony is that by making everything diverse they're eliminating artistic and cultural diversity on the grander scale. People watch The Lord of the Rings because they want to enter the unique and lovingly crafted mythological world that Tolkien created, not the sociopolitically modern and homogenised world that Amazon Prime created.
@@KSmithwick1989 Just like no one noticed that spanish chick in Doctor Strange had lesbo parents and wore a LGBTQ pin on her costume for the whole movie and the Illuminati was made out of mostly minorities. Wow look captain Marvel is a strong black woman. Nothing pleases me more than to see the imminent collapse of Woke Leftest Hollywood.
@@demitrivendici As a joke, I don't think having a minority only Illuminati is very "woke". To the point it sounds like "anti-woke" satire. By implying they're all conspiratorial overlords. And thus should not be trusted.
8:37 *"…doesn’t even make sense”* It’s even worse than that. The whole Dublin, Ireland origin of _beyond the pale_ is just flat-out wishful thinking. A "pale” was simple a wooden post or spike (as in "impale") often used to construct boundary fences, which were utterly commonplace in medieval Europe (see the Pale of Calais, e.g.). _Beyond the pale_ is not a reference to the Pale of Dublin, but simply to paling boundaries in general, and referred to being outside the protective wall. To see racism in the expression is just more leftist projection.
Pretty sure Tolkien once criticised one drawing of the elves (or possibly just Legolas) for being too effeminate. The kinda-sorta androgeny of the elves is a modern (Peter Jackson?) invention. While the Noldor are long haired and the elven men beardless (with a couple of exceptions), they are still supposed to be proper masculine.
Elrond and Celeborn look rather manly in the Peter Jackson movie i'd say. Legolas isn't all that effeminate either. They could have made him a bit more muscular i guess. Drawing a warbow actually takes a lot of strength after all.
Ugh. How does the mainstream still not understand fandom's attachment to lore and canon? It's not just a case of being book snob. It's wanting the original IP to maintain the qualities we loved in the first place -.-
Because it is not really important. Every fanbase even the biggest is nothing compared to general population so from economic point of view appeasing general public is much more important than fanbase.
@@JM-mh1pp true, but the general audience will accept something good, and the fans will accept something good that is a faithful adaptation. Making both of them happy will earn you money + a good reputation. I'm not going to watch GOT because first of all I'm a coward who can't stand much gore, and secondly because I've heard how bad the last season is. Plenty of other people feel the same. The fans make a lot of noise about what they don't like and that's going to turn off some of the general audience. I guess these people don't think about that much.
@@gianna526 The problem with the last season of GOT is that it travels at hyperspeed for that ending while every other season of the series gave you proper setup and payoffs (because the writing pair wanted to complete it in time to pitch for their Star Wars idea that ended up not happening). If you have ever seen Lost or Alias, it's EXACTLY the same ending issues (which isn't surprising, if you consider who the source is) - a showrunner who is not exactly sure of how to end the series properly. Also, the entire Undead army thing is just a wasted concept, because despite them being "unstoppable", they get hardly any screen time and when you FINALLY do get a huge fight, they get stopped, while their opponent hardly suffers losses, which COMPLETELY NERFS the entire "coolness" of having an Undead army and what that represents for a strategic commander. I'd recommend any new viewer to simply watch it for the political intrigue, but watching it for anything else is just a waste of time. :/
Knowing this i'll be even more determined to enjoy the classics i have for as long as i got them, and i'm very sure others will too. They can try to "change" everything as much as they want but as long as the original stories are around it won't matter how they prefer them to be, because the originals will still be there and they will remain for long after these fools have gone. Tolkien's works are here to stay, and in the way they should be.
What an amazing video! So love your clear point of view! The problem with Hollywood/Amazon/Disney of today is that instead of seeking out universal truths of classic works, they want to take their own opinions of today and force them onto us as new universal truths. They can't see a theme of "good vs evil" as universal, unless the evil is characterized as the Patriarchy.
Modern-day "universal truths" are that nothing you believe is right and everything you believed was "good" was actually evil. Except what the "purity seekers" tell you is right, which changes on an almost hourly basis. This is why people dismiss it as the nonsense it is. :/
You should have seen the lady producer's face in the Con video. She's sitting there and I can't make out if she is in the dark about what the showrunners are talking about, or whether she just knows how badly this is gonna be received and just giving them enough rope. :/
It started with the forging of the great Films. The threads were given by Tolkien, immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings. The rights were granted to Jackson, the great mountain miner and craftsman of the mountain of lore .And nine, nine hours were given to the race of men, who above all else desire quality. But they were all of them deceived, for another show was made. In the Land of Amazon, in the fires of Mount Prime, the Dark Lord Bezos forged in secret a Master Flop. And in to this show he poured his money, his greed and his will to dominate every film. ONE SHOW TO RUIN THEM ALL ⚔️
this line of "i'm absolutely Shocked that you would suggest that we the performance artists wouldn't be turning the story that you wanted into a platform for our own personal agendas, how could you say that?" is popping up across the "creative" sphere. We are getting to the point of them psychologically proclaiming victory and working backwards from there
It cost so much gold but won't glitter They wandered too far and got lost The new that is cringe is to wither The rootless must freeze by the frost To ash turns the fire of the Woken A whitelash from blackwash shall spring Restored shall be the lore that was broken The author again shall be king
That ARONDEEEER actor is so cringe..."Elves have what WE think of as feminine energy in their posture and sensibility"? Who's we nutcrack? I'd like to ask him if he ever opened a Tolkien book in his life. Because clearly if you're making a degenerate, dumb statement like that, then Tolkien's classic literature missed your head by 10 meters. Shame...
It's ironic that Amazon wants us to forget the Tolkien we've known and loved....but if we did that, there would be no fan base for them to exploit. Many thanks to Disparu for wading through the generic gray sludge and breaking this all down for us!
Also I’m not sure it was published in HoMe but appears in a Vinyar Tengwar article. “Vinyar Tengwar article indicated that the material there might have dated from 1960. The article appeared in volume 41 and is entitled “From The Shibboleth of Fëanor,” edited by Carl F. Hostetter.” Apparently Tolkien also made an early painting with Beleg with a beard.
I was on the edge of my seat when the not-balrog had Guyladriel cornered, then I almost cried when Oddball drove his Sherman tank out of the train tunnel, blaring Hank Williams Jr and firing at the not-balrog. Awestruck
That LA Times article manages, somehow, to simultaneously lambast works made "by white men in times where white men where in charge," yet in demanding that those same works change, completely ignores the work of other authors who were neither. In demanding changes to properties made by white men for the sake of minorities, they are unconsciously implying that those works are the only ones worth the title of "classic." You'd think authors like Samuel Delaney, W. E. B. DuBois, Charles Saunders, Milton Davies, Octavia Butler, N. K. Jesmin, & countless more simply didn't exist - that the only way we'll see people of colour in fantasy is if we change the work of white authors, rather than consider elevating authors of colour who've been doing this for decades. It's insulting Eurocentric garbage masquerading as progressive. Was the unknown author of The Epic of Gilgamesh a white man? Or the original storytellers of A Thousand And One Nights or the Ramayana, or the Thirteen Classics of Chinese Literature? The reason they want to change LOTR & GOT is simple greed & cowardice. They don't *want* to take a chance on making a new, diverse fantasy either based on a book that already fits their needs, or just mailing up their own. Even with the success of Black Panther, they just don't think it'll sell. All they know is LOTR & GOT are successful, but they have neither the imagination nor the courage to make the next LOTR or GOT. All they can do is change it - & in the process, demean everyone, especially those they are claiming to champion.
@@alexgillis9446 Ah, I see what you mean. I meant to use "diverse" in terms of fantasy/science fiction adaptations as a whole. All I'm saying is you don't have to resort to tokenism in adaptations when there are plenty of works out there that don't have to be tokenised to begin with.
@@Angrenost02 Epic of Gilgamesh, a number of Indian stories, and a Hollywood level budget adaptation of Journey to the West. I'll admit, The Woman King looks pretty cool too. Definitely influenced by Black Panther's success for some executive to green light that film. I'd be all for a film that was pitched as "It's like Black Panther, but set in a fantasy world with monsters and magic" as well.
I've heard rumors Amazon is putting out a show that has some of the same words that J.R.R. Tolkien may have used in an appendix to one of his later works, but the resemblance is slight. Thankfully, I don't have a tempest in me...
Because Tolkien never wrote anything about men having feelings in his work, and men are just emotionless in general. The same guy said elves came from the mountains. Furthermore, I love how the author of the article says taking issues with the physical traits of the actors are absurd but simultaneously takes issues with the physical traits of fictional characters. "If we want to keep hold of those touchstones, like “Lord of the Rings” and “Game of Thrones,” modern adaptations will have to look and feel different too." Then it will no longer be Lord of the Rings, I can't believe this has to be said. Very cute how she threw in Tom Bombadils name as if she is truly a fan, its like the Steve Buscemi "how do you do fellow kids?" meme. These people are frauds.
I'm confused, what do you mean he wrote about men not having feelings? His characters most certainly do have feelings, and men are not emotionless, there's just a dumb pressure for them to not have feelings. A big part of Frodo's struggle is the emotional anguish he's going through by bearing the ring, and I'm pretty sure that counts as feelings.
@@jspthesecond0723 I guess so, since I still can't understand your comment. Maybe I completely misinterpreted it, and if so I apologize. Not to make excuses but I'm exhausted and can't even read properly and really should be in bed, I'm sure in the morning I'll face palm in disgust at my lack of wisdom.
Wow, one of best commentaries ever. Felt like sitting in a university lecture on arts, culture and entertainment by the best faculty there is. More power to you. Love the way you articulate your thoughts. Edit: And if arts were universal truth, it will be called science and maths not arts and literature.
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As Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power closes in on release this is a longer video today. A lot to cover in order to make the arguments at the end, but there is so much that Amazon Prime Video have done in their marketing disaster so far, there always seems to be more weird arguments to counter. But the LA Times arguments might be the most honest, and nonsensical view into why so many IP's all fall fowl of the same ideas and begin to all look the same. Is there any variety in a world where every IP is identical? Let me know your thoughts on the video and the Rings of Power release down below, and as always, thanks for watching :)
you're always complaining about things you don't like, you never propose anything good. why would i hear 30 minutes of complains, it was better before, are u 70 year old or what. i don't even support any woke shit , anyway next
Keep em coming brother I have to make a few Videos as well was going to wait for the first two episodes but its getting so bad and the show is days away lol.
BRUSH YOUR TEETH
We are watching the South Park episode, The history channels thanksgiving play out in real life. "Nowhere does it say that aliens weren't at the first thanksgiving"
"fall fowl" as Thorondor-sized turkeys, in this case? ;p~
I'm a woman, and I loved masculinity in LotR. Men were brave but also scared, they cried and laughed, they fought and loved. Sam holding Frodo's hand, Aragorn kissing Boromir, Faramir loving his big brother despite dad's favouritism, so many emotionally beautiful moments...
Most women like masculinity, anyone telling otherwise is lieing.
Well now thanks to feminism, you get none of that. In fact, they have no problem telling you exactly what you want as a woman - and acting on your behalf
well, obviously, a story in current year cant have emotionally mature male characters that have some range. that would make their girl boss look bad. thats not very woke. all the male characters have to be incompetent and one dimensional, and the one that is actually competent, mature, and not played by an effeminate looking actor, has to be the bad guy. deliberately erasing the classic masculinity from the story is another part of hollywoods attack on everything traditional, towards the global new world order they imagine where everything is exactly the same and everyone has to consume their product. the only thing they dont realize is, nobody wants their product anymore.
Im a woman and i love masculinity. Masculinity isnt a bad thing.
@Hello Again Hello here's the snag - a big butch long cocked dirty and smelly brick layer does NOT exclude him being "a sensitive male".
Neither is a weak, thin, gentle looking geek necessarily ACTUALLY a softie.
I don't see this as a problem of vagininity vs penistude, as much as the problem today's writers seem to believe that only physical power === REAL power.
I mean look at Tarkin. He's a skinny old *itch who can't even use the force. But has SO MUCH POWER.
The thing that bothers me is, they deny power without physical strength. Galadriel had the ULTIMATE pussy power - men would lose their heads over her and do what ever she wants. Her whole ARC is not succumbing to the Ring giving her the power to make "everyone love her and despair".
And it wouldn't be SO bad, if "power and strength IN SPITE of lack of physical prowess" wasn't the CENTRAL THEME OF TOLKIEN'S WORK.
You know what's LESS masculine than an 8 year old girl in a unicorn suit?
Frodo Baggins.
It began with the forging of the great films. Threads were given by Tolkien, immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings. Rights were granted to Jackson, great miner and craftsman of the mountain of lore. And nine, nine hours were gifted to the race of men, who above all else, desire quality. But they were all of them deceived, for another show was made. In the Land of Amazon, in the fires of Mount Prime, the Dark Lord Bezos forged in secret a massive flop. And into this show he poured his money, his greed and his will to dominate all film. One film to ruin them all, one film to bind them, in the Land of Amazon where the shadows lie.
should change "greed" to "wokeness" since he didn't make this crap to make money, but to spread "the message" i've been sharing this quote too :)
That is incredible and I'm totally going to steal it. 😅
@@noyoudontgettoknow8586 No dude, he just wants o make money. Woke people are usually richer so in the eyes of marketing they have superior buying power.
This is brilliant! well done, you!
@@JM-mh1pp if he wanted to make money he wouldn't have said the show is not about money, but over and above that, its not like the term "get woke go broke" was just coined today. just about everything in film, that has gone woke has failed. and the most glaring example of why this is not about money is, because in the last 20 years the only movies to be #1 in the box office, and to sweep almost all the awards, were the peter jacksons lord of the rings movies. so its not as if the formula for making money off this IP was some unknown secret.
The fact that Tolkien's works have been translated into a plethora of languages and is one of the top ten selling books of all time, tells me that it already has universal appeal.
But you know current year or whatever nonsensical remark these dishonest p.o.s. make
Totally.
Tolkien is for ANYONE, not for EVERYONE.
Cuz that word includes the commies like this people.
Yeah, but this isn't that. This is the most expensive 'fan flick' ever. And that's even pushing it coz it's actually not a fan flick, coz the writers/producers are no fans. They are platform paracites that try to get their politics into a platform, along with Bezos wanting his GOT pet project. That's what this is.... sn abomination.
It's all designed to destroy. Evil can not create
As a singular book I believe it's the greatest selling of all time behind the bible
I've been saying all this since the beginning! As a person of color (and a writer with an English and History degree), I believe Tolkien was already universal. All his themes were universal. This isn't based on Tolkien, it is based on someone's idea of what they think Tolkien should be. The man was born in South Africa. He knew people of color. But he was an English professor. He translated Beowulf. He co-authored a textbook. I read the works he used to create his world. The dwarves from Prose/Elder Edda, Arthur, etc. You can get a degree in Tolkien Literature. I don't want it changed because some person (who never read over 12 volumes of actual Middle-Earth History) thinks reinterpreting the incomplete Appendix of the LOTR is based on the entirety of Tolkien's universe should be the basis of a television series that has to use "Lord of the Rings" above the show title to convince millions of Tolkien fans (and scholars) that this is either what Tolkien should have written or what they think Tolkien actually meant when he created the forerunner of modern universe building. I mean, come on! Why spend $1 billion dollars to ruin a classic when they could have just CREATED a story of their own? I actually wrote a M-E story purposely written to FIT in Tolkien's world, and I did it without changing ONE THING. Even the characters were created based on Tolkien's method of character creation. (The problem with that was people thought it was Tolkien even though it's in first person). I did it to learn how to universe-build (as I have a world of my own to create) from the master. This show is scaring the heck out of me as an English major, trust me.
Great comment! Would love to read your M-E story.
its all about the bait and switch
the Rings of Power make me hate black people more,
and I loved black people
Thank you, Jaynae. I absolutely respect and am grateful for your putting this into words. My sister is an English major and a writer, and she wouldn't even watch the new RoP. I saw the first installment and was appalled. It just felt so.... off. The dialog fell flat and seemed contrived. The lack of anything that seemed good or memorable was staggering. I have been trying to put my finger on the main issues, and trying to explain what was wrong with it, and you hit the nail on the head.
I’d like to learn more about the actual lore and such, could you recommend where to start?
The friendship between Legolas and Gimli is an amazing example of how Tolkien appreciated the importance of people from completely different cultures and people, being able to not only coexist, but overcome biases, and develop a strong bond and appreciation for one another. Our society is to simple to understand concepts unless they are broken down to the simplest form.
That really more from the Peter Jackson films. Which tired to simplify the books for a general audience. After seeing the series, I can tell you the lore is still pretty dense.
How pathetic is it that they now feel like they have to attack previous actors? Absolutely deplorable
It's not just that they're attacking them, they're trying to belittle them when they compare them to these Bezos slaves. I would feel offended if i was Elijah Woods, it's probably one of the best played roles in modern age movies and they dare to even compare them to these woke activists? I actually feel offended for him myself
They...as a gender-safe term when referring to the writer of that article?
“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.” -Orwell
Wasn't meant to be a road map to our destruction or at one time I believed that. Now i wonder. If you look into orwell you'll find that he was into some freaky occult garbage.
Perfectly summarized and truly frightening.
Someone once said that Orwell wrote 1984 as a warning but Progressives saw it as a how-to.
Spot on!
Now replace the word "party" with "LGBTQIAA2SBLTHDTV+ agenda"
Loved the scene when Galadriel played “Master of puppets” to distract the Balrogs and save the Fellowship. 10/10.
Indeed! That was amazing playing and the solo ripped my face off!
best metal scene in cinema ever
Shoot, I’d watch that before rings of power
Yeah but Gandalf singing Highway to Hell didnt do it for me
Well, you know, one does not simply rock into Mordor...
As a POC I never felt the urge or desire to see "people like me" in LOTR because I could already see myself in the characters. I related with he characters because of who they are and NOT because of what they look like.
these people are toxic idiots, they just jump on the bandwagon to promote there own agenda, love how instead of making a new story to show there own representation they are targeting all the full white cast movies and shows
"Nope, you're wrong. You absolutely cannot see anything familiar in another person other than skin color and who they touch privates with. That's it. If you do anything else you're a bigotphobist!" - Hollywood
Ikr thats the funny thing isnt it
Point
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Contact?
@@bradpaton3927 No, Person Of Color.
For those who seem to not be able to grasp that not honoring and respecting an author's original work and that changing an IP just because it's "fiction" or "fantasy" destroys the original work and what made it great to begin with, as a musician I can suggest a musical analogy for this issue: Imagine you go to a Beethoven or Mozart or Bach concert, or any other great work by a celebrated composer, to listen their great masterpieces of music, that is so beloved and celebrated that they've continued to be performed for centuries; but when you hear the performance, the majority of the music has been changed, only having a small portion of the original composition, even to the point that the music is unrecognizable as the original composers work - and yet the current production and performers still name the musical piece the same and by the same composer, even though it bears little to no resemblance to the original, all in the name of making it "resemble modern music". Wouldn't you feel a bit cheated having expected to see an original masterpiece by Beethoven, Mozart or Bach? Every single note matters, otherwise it wouldn't be the same composition. The same goes for words and literature, or another artistic creation for that matter - change it enough from the original form and intention of the original creator/author, than it's no longer the same work, with the same inherent value, and therefore shouldn't be held out as such. Bottomline and what I have to say to all these producers and show runners that seem to want to change and destroy nearly every IP they get their hands on and inject their own ideas and ideology into - make your own damn original creation, reflect whatever modern notions in it you want, and leave beloved classic IP's alone! Unless you intend to be true to it and genuinely want to respectfully celebrate and adapt the work to another medium while continuing to be faithful to it. And hey if you want to do a different interpretation of someone else' masterpieces or work, then make it clear that's what you doing and don't gaslight everyone and try and pretend you're honoring the source material, when you're clearly aren't and have your own agenda.
Very well expressed!
I couldn't think of a better analogy that explains why fans are so upset about this. Completely agree!!
Here's an even worse scene, based on your analogy: All that the concert organisers talk about is how diverse the musicians are and how now people of different ethnicities can enjoy that classic piece of music more cos it has some ethnic chanting in it and it's played by multi-ethnic musicians that they can relate more to cos it reflects them...what a mare!! 🤦♂️
This is 100% fact
@@thecloudtherapist :D i never will understand this like imagine you listen to guns and roses and then someone will tell you that they are white and he cant enjoy them because he cant relate to them..skip to some bar..and then the same song for example sweet child of mine is played by a amateur but the amateur is i dont know a asian dude on guitar and black person on drums etc..and the same person will tell you he likes the song :D this is how i feel when someone starts to speak about diversity
trying to push something this hard is gonna backfire and its happening with rings of power right now and marvel is haing the same problem
I have been pondering why the show looks so bad. Peter Jackson and Weta designed everything to look real. The clothes look absolutely real, made of quality fabrics, and they are discoloured or scuffed appropriately. Every item looks like a genuine item you would buy. Arrmour is properly articulated and looks heavy. They did a lot of research into historical items.
Rings of Power is NOT this. Everything looks like a lightweight fantasy costume. The materials look fake and it all looks like cosplay. The hair all looks unnatural. Etc.
Please Mr Frodo….don’t let them turn me into anything…..unnatural!
Sorry. Too late.
@@wd2989 Go home, Sam....
Aside from just a few costumes, everything in RoP looks like a modified bathrobe
I've wondered this too. Not exactly sure why it looks the way it does.
@@scatterthewinds3126 So you didn't read what I posted at all?
I clapped when Sauron put on some sunglasses smiled at the camera and said “It’s Sauron time.”
One of the shows ever made
One of the evers most clapped
One of the franchises most ruined
That's a fake out. The final cut he says "It's Morbin' time" and Morbius appears in Middle Earth. :^)
(I'm going to Internet hell for using this meme of a joke)
The scene where Sauron says: "This ring is perfect", and Guyladriel answers: "It will be, when it fits a woman" is the best piece of cinema i have ever seen :D
Forgot the part where she is drinking a latte from starbucks when she says it.
💀
The rings are female
@@Sunnyside5574 the rings have no gender, they haven't identified yet, bigot
i personally loved how they made all the Orcs a hot-pink colour and wear lingerie - a welcome change to the lore that really reflects the world we live in
This 'universalizing' of IP from unique and diverse cultures reminds me of the Ministry of Truth from Orwells 1984, changing historical records to extend Big Brothers reach further back in time. What if that movement started with classic literature and culture based IP and eventually cross-pollenated to historical record.
Yup, literally exactly what's happening, and by the same people
Precisely, well fucking said. I too believe it's exactly what is happening right now. It just makes no sense. These studios have such ridiculous amounts of time and money these days, it doesn't add up why the material is so SHITE. It really is getting to the point where it feels intentional. Fucking disgusting.
@@KalonOrdona2 America is doing what t has always done. Aren't the changing slavery to involuntary relocation to appease white moms? You've always changed history to suit you, not for accuracy.
That is an actual BBC mandate by now. see the black "celts" they showed in some dumb animated abomination.
well the dingleberries that pass for film makers these days thought 1984 was an INSTRUCTION manual instead of the warning it was intended to be.
Growing up I remember most kids at school made fun of LOTR for being just for nerds, now its considered toxic masculinity🤣 Oh the world we live in😂
Okay - this is officially my favorite video Disparu has put out so far. He excellently explains so many issues that have turned into traps for modern storytelling. So this is my 'Disparu Appreciation' post - feel free to like if you appreciate him too.
Damn good video, I totally agree with you. Cheers Disparu!
appreciation approved 👍
That LA Times article is like a school kid having to write an essay on a book they can't be arsed reading in full
"Bezos spent his energy in envy and hate, until at last he could make nothing save in mockery of the thought of others; and all their works he destroyed if he could."
- J.R.R. Tolkien.
Bezos Bauglir wanted his Game of Thralls.
@@kaizokujimbei143 Game of Thralls...very good, very good indeed.
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The Art of Tolkien is more than pretty colors, Elves with pointy ears or even War.
Death and the Mortality of Man kind, is the overall Theme to his works.
For those of us that see the tragic beauty and heart wrenching love stories this poetic man left us.
My understanding of LoTR and The Hobbit was a sort of nostalgia for the old days where peace, happiness and lack of industrialisation existed. Instead they focus on progress, unhappiness and war. Yeah ...
(TLDR, RoPrime is terrible and makes no sense. I hate it, and what we had used to be good.) There is plenty of war in Tolkien's world, but I understand your point. Much more happiness and peace lies in those writings at any given time than what this show is setting up. Even Faerun had points of joy and peace, and it has become more modern, which isn't exactly a good thing. But the people in these worlds acted in different ways for different reasons. For instance, they only had that one guy blow up at Arondir to portray that the elves are hated? So why would one woman decide to show him any mercy apart from what the others do? Why are people suddenly just okay with the elves taking over their lands or a kingdom overseas with no say or action in reference to a location ever go there to help them? The only reason Numenorians ever went to the mainland was for Gondor, and even then, it was for trade.
"These are fictional characters so do whatever". This never applies to a white guy being the next Black Panther or the next actor to portray Aladdin. This only goes in one direction, and only with sensitivity about the specific racial makeup of the modern United States. Which is so dumb and myopic I can't even tell you.
Oh, poor white ppl, you always get the most difficult battles for sure
Remember folks: no hate watching. Disparu is sacrificing himself for us so that we don't need
No hate watching is critical. Ignoring these parasites is their greatest fear.
Simplistic solution. Raise the black flag and hate watch it for free .
I didn't watch one second of the wheel of time series and I won't watch one second of this trash.
*plays taps for Disparu*
*no paid watching
I remember when Viggo Mortensen turned down the offer of an Aragorn cameo in The Hobbit. That could have been an easy paycheque, but he did it because he knew the character (or at least an iteration played by him) had no place in the timeline.
They could have fit the character in actually. Most of the Hobbit trilogy was made up anyway. The book is only 300 pages or so. The entire third movie is basically one page of the book. Aragon has more justification to be in the Hobbit trilogy than half of the made up characters that weren't in the book either.
The bigger issue is that story takes place about 60 yesrs before lotr, so Aragorn would be a younger man in his 30's or so. So viggo mortensen would have to look quite a bit younger than in the lotr movies while in reality he was of course older.
@@martinkunz7155 he would have been in his 20s. Remember when Eowyn was taking with him on the way to Helms Deep. He was in his 80s
He was about 10 years old and living at Revendell. They called him Estel.
I've already seen the first episode and when Galadriel turned her head after defeating her enemies, she boldly shouted "It's morbin time." It was so stunning and amazing!
you're saying Morbius doesn't show up?? lame.
The scene where Galadriel says "Hello, boys. I'm back!" and sacrifices herself to destroy an alien armada. So inspiring!
This show has got to be a slow-mo train wreck when this many people get excited about Disparu slamming RoP for 30 min flat. There was so much potential. How the heck did we get moob armor and unrecognizable beloved characters from a billion dollar budget? 😢
Message >Profitability
Because the message and perceptions are more important than the story
I'd be happier if it was a fast-mo train wreck that even the shill media was forced to recognize as a travesty asap, but I suspect we all still have a battle on our hands...
There really wasn't so much potential.
i love they use "authentic" .. authentic literally means those who believe or will espouse intersectional critical theory aka neo Marxism
Hasnt Tolkien explicitly said the books are NOT an allegory for they wars?
Didnt he HATE allegory in general?
Am I remembering things completely backwards?
Im almost completely sure Ive heard he said its a completely separate thing.
Tolkien's quote on allegory: “I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history - true or feigned- with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.”
You are correct.
You’re right. He states it in a prologue to The Lord of the Rings and even explains how events would have turned out if they were inspired by rl events
Correct. He absolutely dispised allegory.
I think perhaps smaller elements of the story may reflect parts of the war instead of some grand overarching narrative. For instance this passage:
It was Sam's first view of a battle of Men against Men, and he did not like it much. He was glad that he could not see the dead face. He wondered what the man's name was and where he came from; and if he was really evil of heart, or what lies or threats had led him on the long march from his home; and if he would rather have stayed there in peace.
That sounds like it would be something Tolkien may have pondered while he was in the trenches.
"Elijah who?" Sums it up perfectly. Nothing that came before "US" is important, only now that "WE" are here can human history truly begin! The hubris and arrogance is staggering!
"The trick of any successful adaptation is to stay true to the story." - LA Times
"Yes, and that's why Rings of Power is going down in flames." - Everyone Else
Elijah was/is the living embodiment of Frodo. They can never AND WILL NEVER take that away from him.
It's really sad. Tolkien had one company he refused to deal with in any way shape or form. Disney. But Amazon has basically disney-fied his story.
If he disliked Disney back then, he would abhor it today, and Amazon all the more.
RoP is the perfect example of someone who takes the line "nine rings were gifted to the race of Men, who above all else desire power." and thinks the race of men means males.
"The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: Not real new things of its own."
- The Return of the King
Rings of Power is possessed by the shadow.
Watching the first episode, I learned that boats float because of the force. And rocks sink because they fall to the dark side of the force. Or something like that.
If they hate the original story so much, then create something original and new, with it's own new name. Quit stealing the original ideas of someone else and completely changing it to fit your narrative. They use the name of the original works to get the fan's attention to watch what they are creating, but then get upset when the fans are pissed that they destroyed the authors creation.
I don't have the exact quote to hand, but for the WW2 allegory, Tolkien said something like "IF I had been writing about WW2, then I would have had Elrond's council make THEIR OWN One Ring and use it on Sauron." It might even be in the introduction to one of the LotR books or something. Which you would think the showrunners would REAd
If I recall correctly, Tolkien hated intentional allegory and any allegory derived from his work would be one the reader extracts himself from the text (the ring as an allegory to addiction and its corrupting influence, Frodo's wounds being a form of PTSD, etc).
@Bumfluff Addlepate What's that from?
@@arwenstrong2818 It's in a forward to the second edition written by Tolkien. He is very explicit about interpretations that should NOT be placed on LoTR . There is no room for doubt about his intentions.
And he said someone would have used the ring and would be damned.
I believe It's in the forward to the Two Towers. I listened to them all on Audible this summer while I do my runs and I remember listening to that. Part of me thinks it was in a post script after the fellowship but that doesn't sound right...This Amazon series is pretty much everything Tolkien would have hated to see his universe to become.
I love the part where Galadriel pulls excalibur from the stone! And says by the power of grey skull
Just started reading lord of the rings again. Page 11 and 12 of the Preface, Tolkien explicitly states that he hates alegorie in every sense of it. He gives preference to history, true or made up, with her varied applicability on the mind and expierence of the reader. He also states that many people confuse 'applicability' with 'allegorie', exept the one rests on the freedom of the ready and the other on the domination of the writer.
Just reading this and then seeing al your videos about how the marketing of RoP has been focusing on allegorie just frustates me to the bone. They just threw out every respect for Tolkiens work and ideas and just wanted to make what they wanted because of f. all.
The man just wanted a cool fantastical mythology for England without any real world crap in it ..... and this series flies in the face of all of it.
"All we want you to do is respect the lore, keep to the canon and if you're going to change anything then it should look and feel and be what the text says" WHY IS THIS SO FREAKIN' DIFFICULT?! Tolkien's world is fine how it is. The director/producers are foolish if they think they can come up with something better than the original work. Period. Your assessment is spot on assessment: you change one detail and everything else changes to compensate. Thanks for keeping it honest and being informed about what is actually going on.
@Disparu Btw you just earned yourself a subscription!
Given the talent and experience of the show runners, the "halo" around Galadrial is probably an electric light that somebody left on on the set.
""So if you’re expressing “respect the original material” outrage over a Black actor playing a Velaryon or an Afro-Iranian playing a Dwarven princess, you might want to remember what happened to those original-material characters who refused to acknowledge that the world had changed. Because it wasn’t good.""
is this LA Times author threatening fans?
That is exactly what it is- a veiled threat. These people are psychopaths and religious woke zealots.
I'm ready to shoot.
This is LA Times doing what they have paid for..😂
This is a clear threat. Conform or else.
It is a confusing threat...do they mean they're just going to bulldoze the old material? As if they aren't already?
>"With our hearts, even bigger than our feet"
An industry professional wrote that line
Let that sink in
A professional on this ride? Nah lol
I love this show because it builds so much confidence in people.
You think your writing is shit?
Feel insecure?
Read that line and understand- a guy writing for a BILLION dolar shows wrote it!
My take is that it was actually a group of people that came up with this one. I can only imagine that there were a set of cringe-worthy lines - the writers put 'em up on a dartboard, and let chance have its pick of which lines would be included.
I'm REALLY hoping they've managed to do something stupid in their presentation of "Harfoots" as some sort of cliched Irish Traveller / Gypsy which will offend that "community" in order to enjoy the fallout as woke eats woke.
And I'm pretty sure Tolkien described Harfoots as being "nimble of foot." Absolutely nothing follows what the author wrote
When Guyladrriel stood up to address the diverse Numeroneans she prefaced her speech with an audible fart. Her first words to the crowd were "There was a tempest in me." So stunning and brave.
Dude😂😂😂
I'm crying 😭😭😭
I don't think they ever understood why The Lord of the Rings was so successful was because it was faithfully adapted by fans who understood the material.
Tolkien never said that Sauron didn't have a lightsaber.
"It began with the forging of the great films,
Threads were given by Tolkein: wisest and fairest of all writers,
Rights were granted to Jackson, great minder and craftsman of the mountain of lore,
And nine, nine hours were gifted to the race of men who, above all else, desire quality,
But they were all of them deceived, for another show was made.
In the land of Hollywood, in the fires of Amazon Prime, the Dark Lord Bezos forged in secret a master flop,
And into this show he poured his money, his greed, and his will to dominate all film,
One film to ruin them all, One interpretation to find them,
One ideology to bring them all, and in the wokeness bind them"
LOL 🤣😂 I love that cause its soooo true of this BS show
I've seen this before, actually right here in these comments. If you didn't originate this you should give an attribution.
@@richardrose2606 yes please spread it. Everyone is trying to put it on as many videos as possible. No one knows the original. Post post post.
@@zachlux2778 thanks for the info
VERY well done, there, lad. (even if it's not yours, it's good)
I was so hyped when Galadriel pointed her sword at the orc and said, “You’ve got to ask yourself one question: ‘Do I feel lucky?’ Well do ya, punk?” Bad@$$ Tolkien at his best!
Tolkien specifically said he would “resent” changes to his characters and language. These people are insulting the author, and those who love his works.
And George Martin is not worthy of the “R.R.”. I hereby revoke his middle initials!
George Martin is a joke. He wrote 2/3rds of a story and then cashed in without even finishing it. We were all taken for a ride
George is a bloated washed up hack who has bathed in the left over water from JRR Tolkien for long enough.
"You're a pirate you even stole my arr arr"
It just dawned on me. How much would you bet that none of the elves would speak elvish and none of the dwarfs would speak dwarfish? Aside from songs which do not count.
@@danzansandeev6033 whoa, good point, I bet you're right!
Well said Disparu. “Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it”. When you build on something you should have a strong foundation and a strong structure. What happens when you despise your foundation and structure and start building, adding on, any way you want?
Disparu is based beyond belief. I have recently subscribed, and the bell icon is ringing at me every time he posts. Great videos, and thank you for respecting the lore. Amazon will rue the day they messed with Tolkien's works.
I simply can’t wait to watch FrodX pull the power sword out of their shoulder sheath and exclaim, “By the power of Greyskull…I have the Power!”
Gives me chills just thinking about it!
No no....by the power of greyskull, I'm redressing the balance thingie.
Almost literally choked on my coffee at "FrodX" 😂🤣
@@noelleeve4087 Yeah, that was an inspired addition. LoL
Hold your ground, hold your ground! Fans of Tolkien, of Peter Jackson, my brothers! I see in your eyes the same labelings that would take the credibility out of me! A day may come when then creativity of men fails. When we forsake our character characterizations and break all bonds of plot consistency, but it is not this day. An hour of political pandering and bad tokenization, when the age of good writing comes crashing down! But it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good franchise, I bid you stand, Fans of the Original source!
"For Tolkien"...
@@matwatson7947 "AAAAAAAAAAAAA" *aggressively runs into battle*
We are weak, divided, leaderless.
@@MonstaTrapz I see what you were doing but if anything R.o.P is showing that fans of the source are not divided or weak.
Do you remember when they would always refute the old "you wouldn't want a white man playing Black Panther" argument by telling us that race was integral to who that character is and therefore it is essential? Well that is exactly the situation here as well but for some reason they seem to have move the goal posts again. This is a mythology created for Britain and Europe using our existing myths and tales. It is essential that the characters look like white Europeans in order for that story to be told. If the race swapping is acceptable here then it is equally acceptable for the Black Panther cast to be white, Chinese, Korean, Pakistani, native American etc.
The "race is essential to the character" only applies to black characters and always applies to every black character.
They're now saying that Magneto can and should be recast as black.
theyre just tiptoeing around the fact that their ideology boils down to "white man bad" and will say whatever BS they can come up with while slowly moving the goalposts ever further towards "white man bad". unfortunately for them, white man has money in his pocket and they arent getting any of it anymore.
So should WE now be shouting 'cultural misappropriation"?
If they wanted general entertainment to be more "diverse and inclusive" why not simply adapt AFRICAN or ASIAN stories and myths (instead of defacing/changing European-based stories)? That'd get you the cast you want. But no, that has no known "franchise"-potential or existing fanbase. So it won't make money. Too bad the joke's on them as this won't make any either.
I got chills when Tar Miriel screamed, you shall not pass! And opened up a Planned Parenthood for the Harfoots in poor areas.
oh boy!!! that was so clever….
I remember when I watched the 1st LOTR Peter Jackson film in the cinema/theatre and I loved it. I cared about the characters and their journey and wanted to know what happened next so I picked up the books as a year between films is looooong. What I DIDN'T think was "I wish there was a black elf or black dwarf" or "I wonder if any of the characters were "LGBTQ+" cause it didn't F'ING MATTER to the story!! They blame fans but you have issues if you cant appreciate someone's hard work cause there isn't a "diverse" character on the screen or in the books.
There are so many LOTR knockoffs but at least those don't claim to be what they're not and they won't create anything original as nobody would watch!! I hope when this fails miserably and they lose a billions $'s that it send a message to studios that slapping a successful IP in the title whilst pissing on the author and making up whatever BS they want to push wont work. If you don't like what Tolkien wrote then find something else
Helps that anyone pushing this nonsense when those movies came out would have been told to "f off"
Keep in mind the BBC all but disallows contented white, heterosexual couples in the series they fund. Britain, for example, is 3% black but the number of white women married in BBC series to black men is well over 25%. That's not coincidence.
I actually despised Jackson's arguments for his "redress of balance" throwing Arwen out early and replacing Glorfindel. Jackson was an affront to Tolkien, for his "reasons", and this amazone bunch have taken the ball and ran, they have reasons galore why things need to change.
What does IP mean?
@@snoopstp4189 Yeah, but those were fairly reasonable changes - plus Arwen was part of a legitimate subplot, tied to Aragorn, and thus she benefitted from more screen time. So there were reasons far outside of 'redressing'.
And IP means 'intellectual property'.
I guess they didn't know that the fellowship trilogy was meant to also be a memorial to his friends he lost to the first war and they are represented as the main hobbits. Tolkien writing these novels was his only way to cope with survivors guilt he felt for years wondering why he didn't die with his unit. His wife encouraged him to write more about middle earth to keep moving forward and heal. Tolkien and his friends were simple people, unimportant who all mutually loved fantasy and they were his fellowship in college to adulthood, all got drafted together. Him being pulled from the trenches due to his health with trench fever is how we got the books.
The trench unit he was in had no survivors after the last mission they were assigned he just missed.
So there is my main reason for being pissed off. These people are mocking the only way Tolkien knew how to keep his friends alive with what they all cherished together. It never would've been published for the public had CS Lewis not told him to after reading his work when they became friends.
If something is that important to you it will show and flourish. What other novel can keep up with the most translated religious book to exist aka The Bible? Not Harry Potter. 60+ languages can all enjoy the middle earth lore together. If that isn't inclusive enough I don't know what to say.
If any of the producers watched the documentary on Tolkien's life that came out a year after he died they would know all this shit. PBS of all channels aired it right when Peter Jackson released the first movie.
I got to watch the documentary again for college and not one person in that classroom had a dry eye when it was over because of all the hardship Tolkien lived with and overcame. Nobody today will ever hold a candle to this man.
He was a white man and therefore they will do whatever they can to tear down what he built, the patriarchy must be overcome.
None of this matters to the "current day crowd who wants to see themselves in everything". To them, it's just ONE MORE WORK in need of "fixing", as opposed, oh, I don't know, maybe creating entirely new POC fantasy franchises for anyone interested in such franchises and starring AS MUCH DIVERSITY as whoever wrote it wants to put in there, and who, as the creator of the work, gain as much financial benefit from it as many other (white) creators got for their efforts. :/
If you want to see how this work in action, just search for the upcoming three INDIAN superhero movies coming out not too far in the future - both classic franchises for the modern audience as well as brand new characters created recently. I'm also keeping an eye on Brahmastra Shiva, but I'm also hearing rumors that a brand new Hanuman movie will also drop within a year or so. :/
The part were Guyladriel raised her arms the the arena, and yelled ‘Are you not entertained’, literally gave me goosebumps
That name though lol
But the scene where Sauron says: "This ring is perfect", and Guyladriel answers: "It will be, when it fits a woman" is way better dude.
Throw in a couple of vampires, and it could be Vampire Academy.
Hey, Tolkien didn't say his world DIDN'T have vampires... or an academy. :P
Excellent observations.
Ismael: Arondir is an elf, but also a warrior. So you see the struggle between that femininity and masculinity, like a tug of war.
Arondir: Breathes in bland
Amazon didn't write The Lord of the Rings, and they can never change it.
I wouldn’t put it past them: Bezos edited versions.
Exactly
They can, however, sabotage its social relevance and poison it from the inside by inserting modern politics into it, which is EXACTLY what they are doing. :/
Here's the thing though if they really wanted to "reflect what the world actually looks like." they would've had 60% of the cast being Asian(20% would be Chinese) and yet there are no Asians and the only diversity is sub-saharan Africans. That's not diverse at all that seems racist.
Fitting since their motto to everything they wish to change is "seems racist" they live by example.
Yup exactly
It's a very lazy form of "diversity". We get this a lot in British TV and advertising where the'll throw in minorities no matter how out of place they are and they're nearly always black. The biggest non-white ethnicity in the UK by far is South Asians but you wouldn't know that from TV and advertising because they're massively underrepresented. Instead a London-based media and marketing industry just copies what it sees in London where there is a large and long-established black community (actually communities - Caribbean, West African, Somali, etc) and completely ignores the rest of the country outside their little bubble.
I loved the scene were Sauron asked Optimus Prime "is that an big wrench in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?"
I cried, so stunning and brave.
Hey, you leave Optimus out of this dumpster fire ;)
I didn't see that one. I watch the sequel 'Hot Rod - Cup narrates appalling sex crimes'
😂
The Guardian has been embarrassingly unrepenting in their praise. True independent journalism.
If you’d go crazy if you didn’t change it, maybe WRITE YOUR OWN STORY
I find George RR Martin absolutely repulsive for having said that. Tolkien is dead and is the only person entitled to change LotR and anything related.
As someone who lived in LA for several years, I can confirm that this article is perfectly on-brand for the Times.
Indeed, they've gone so downhill. I haven't read them regularly for a while, though one of my housemates is subscribed to them. When I do decide to take a look at their articles, I usually wish I hadn't, lol.
Maybe it's in Orwell (edit: I mean 1984 when I saw "Orwell"), or Idiocracy, or both, where they cover how language developed (or, rather deteriorated) over time.
In Orwell language is controlled, monitored, with an explicit attempt to limit it down to single words only.
In Idiocracy language has been mostly forgotten, so people just construct random nonsensical sentences without knowing the definition of certain words.
This is like both combined.
The biggest one I remember from 1984 is 'un-good' being preferred to 'bad.'
I'm not entirely sure what you're talking about, but I do know that Brawndo has electrolytes and that is what plants crave.
Nailed it!
Tolkien and C.S. Lewis fought bitterly over Lewis using Father Christmas in Narnia. Why anyone would believe the man that argued against the modern insertion of Father Christmas would be ok with ROP modernism is beyond sane.
I haven't heard anyone say father Christmas for a while now, got used to hearing Santa or are they different?
I do agree though, I didn't like the use of Father Christmas in the story, it felt completely out of nowhere and while it was important that the kids got their weapons, it would have been cooler if Aslan had given it.
@@lastmimzy2606 Santa Claus, Saint Nicholas, Father Christmas - all the same guy.
Great video. As you say, the sad irony is that by making everything diverse they're eliminating artistic and cultural diversity on the grander scale. People watch The Lord of the Rings because they want to enter the unique and lovingly crafted mythological world that Tolkien created, not the sociopolitically modern and homogenised world that Amazon Prime created.
After seeing the first episode, I can say it's really not that noticeable. It doesn't actually even affect the acting or storyline.
@@KSmithwick1989 Just like no one noticed that spanish chick in Doctor Strange had lesbo parents and wore a LGBTQ pin on her costume for the whole movie and the Illuminati was made out of mostly minorities. Wow look captain Marvel is a strong black woman. Nothing pleases me more than to see the imminent collapse of Woke Leftest Hollywood.
@@demitrivendici As a joke, I don't think having a minority only Illuminati is very "woke". To the point it sounds like "anti-woke" satire. By implying they're all conspiratorial overlords. And thus should not be trusted.
@@KSmithwick1989 That's a very interesting take on it. I like where you are going with this.
@@demitrivendici Yeah, they unintentionally undermined themselves.
"The redress of balance" is such a gross quote
8:37 *"…doesn’t even make sense”*
It’s even worse than that. The whole Dublin, Ireland origin of _beyond the pale_ is just flat-out wishful thinking. A "pale” was simple a wooden post or spike (as in "impale") often used to construct boundary fences, which were utterly commonplace in medieval Europe (see the Pale of Calais, e.g.).
_Beyond the pale_ is not a reference to the Pale of Dublin, but simply to paling boundaries in general, and referred to being outside the protective wall. To see racism in the expression is just more leftist projection.
It only makes sense to people working hard to be offended.
Pretty sure Tolkien once criticised one drawing of the elves (or possibly just Legolas) for being too effeminate. The kinda-sorta androgeny of the elves is a modern (Peter Jackson?) invention. While the Noldor are long haired and the elven men beardless (with a couple of exceptions), they are still supposed to be proper masculine.
True. Just read about Gil Galad. :-)
I wouldn’t even say that Jackson’s Elves were overly androgynous. Some of the background Elves maybe, but the leading men were still pretty masculine
Nah. Elves have been androgynized far earlier than Peter Jackson began working on the movies.
D&D lore is replete with effeminTe elvendom.
@@Muschelschubs3r OK, possible, I'm only familiar with Tolkien's work.
Elrond and Celeborn look rather manly in the Peter Jackson movie i'd say. Legolas isn't all that effeminate either. They could have made him a bit more muscular i guess. Drawing a warbow actually takes a lot of strength after all.
Ugh. How does the mainstream still not understand fandom's attachment to lore and canon? It's not just a case of being book snob. It's wanting the original IP to maintain the qualities we loved in the first place -.-
Because they hate nerds..
Because it is not really important.
Every fanbase even the biggest is nothing compared to general population so from economic point of view appeasing general public is much more important than fanbase.
@@JM-mh1pp does that mean the movies that came out which had very little changes weren't popular with a general audience?
@@JM-mh1pp true, but the general audience will accept something good, and the fans will accept something good that is a faithful adaptation. Making both of them happy will earn you money + a good reputation. I'm not going to watch GOT because first of all I'm a coward who can't stand much gore, and secondly because I've heard how bad the last season is. Plenty of other people feel the same. The fans make a lot of noise about what they don't like and that's going to turn off some of the general audience. I guess these people don't think about that much.
@@gianna526 The problem with the last season of GOT is that it travels at hyperspeed for that ending while every other season of the series gave you proper setup and payoffs (because the writing pair wanted to complete it in time to pitch for their Star Wars idea that ended up not happening). If you have ever seen Lost or Alias, it's EXACTLY the same ending issues (which isn't surprising, if you consider who the source is) - a showrunner who is not exactly sure of how to end the series properly. Also, the entire Undead army thing is just a wasted concept, because despite them being "unstoppable", they get hardly any screen time and when you FINALLY do get a huge fight, they get stopped, while their opponent hardly suffers losses, which COMPLETELY NERFS the entire "coolness" of having an Undead army and what that represents for a strategic commander. I'd recommend any new viewer to simply watch it for the political intrigue, but watching it for anything else is just a waste of time. :/
Before Rings of Prime I never wanted a show to fail. Now I do.
I really enjoyed your video - how clearly thought out the arguments are is amazing! As a Tolkien fan I couldn't agree more.
Knowing this i'll be even more determined to enjoy the classics i have for as long as i got them, and i'm very sure others will too. They can try to "change" everything as much as they want but as long as the original stories are around it won't matter how they prefer them to be, because the originals will still be there and they will remain for long after these fools have gone.
Tolkien's works are here to stay, and in the way they should be.
What an amazing video! So love your clear point of view! The problem with Hollywood/Amazon/Disney of today is that instead of seeking out universal truths of classic works, they want to take their own opinions of today and force them onto us as new universal truths. They can't see a theme of "good vs evil" as universal, unless the evil is characterized as the Patriarchy.
Modern-day "universal truths" are that nothing you believe is right and everything you believed was "good" was actually evil. Except what the "purity seekers" tell you is right, which changes on an almost hourly basis. This is why people dismiss it as the nonsense it is. :/
When Lenny's character says. "I am all the Halflings". Goosebumps.
16:18
This is the best part of the interview.
His face tells us EVERYTHING.
You should have seen the lady producer's face in the Con video. She's sitting there and I can't make out if she is in the dark about what the showrunners are talking about, or whether she just knows how badly this is gonna be received and just giving them enough rope. :/
Where we need to be?.... Wait was this series designed to trick us into abandoning streaming to walk outside? To exercise?
BREAKIN' THE LORE BREAKIN' THE LOOOORE!!!
I fought the lore and the ... lore won
You can say Middle Earth is an English story. You can say it is a Catholic story. You cannot say Middle Earth is a Modern story.
It started with the forging of the great Films.
The threads were given by Tolkien, immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings. The rights were granted to Jackson, the great mountain miner and craftsman of the mountain of lore .And nine, nine hours were given to the race of men, who above all else desire quality. But they were all of them deceived, for another show was made. In the Land of Amazon, in the fires of Mount Prime, the Dark Lord Bezos forged in secret a Master Flop. And in to this show he poured his money, his greed and his will to dominate every film.
ONE SHOW TO RUIN THEM ALL ⚔️
I loved the scene in which Galadriel solved a puzzle without spending any Hint Coins and got twenty Picarats as a reward.
this line of "i'm absolutely Shocked that you would suggest that we the performance artists wouldn't be turning the story that you wanted into a platform for our own personal agendas, how could you say that?" is popping up across the "creative" sphere. We are getting to the point of them psychologically proclaiming victory and working backwards from there
It cost so much gold but won't glitter
They wandered too far and got lost
The new that is cringe is to wither
The rootless must freeze by the frost
To ash turns the fire of the Woken
A whitelash from blackwash shall spring
Restored shall be the lore that was broken
The author again shall be king
That ARONDEEEER actor is so cringe..."Elves have what WE think of as feminine energy in their posture and sensibility"? Who's we nutcrack? I'd like to ask him if he ever opened a Tolkien book in his life. Because clearly if you're making a degenerate, dumb statement like that, then Tolkien's classic literature missed your head by 10 meters. Shame...
Great video. Articulate and well thought out. We could use a few more Disparu types in the USA.
Another great, great review by Disparu. Yes... Let's see the results of this... On Friday, on Friday Night Tights
Ironically there was an ad for Audible before I watched your video.
It's ironic that Amazon wants us to forget the Tolkien we've known and loved....but if we did that, there would be no fan base for them to exploit. Many thanks to Disparu for wading through the generic gray sludge and breaking this all down for us!
Also I’m not sure it was published in HoMe but appears in a Vinyar Tengwar article.
“Vinyar Tengwar article indicated that the material there might have dated from 1960. The article appeared in volume 41 and is entitled “From The Shibboleth of Fëanor,” edited by Carl F. Hostetter.”
Apparently Tolkien also made an early painting with Beleg with a beard.
I was on the edge of my seat when the not-balrog had Guyladriel cornered, then I almost cried when Oddball drove his Sherman tank out of the train tunnel, blaring Hank Williams Jr and firing at the not-balrog. Awestruck
Always with the negative waves,. Little Buddy.
im thinking not many people today will get that reference lol. great movie.
That LA Times article manages, somehow, to simultaneously lambast works made "by white men in times where white men where in charge," yet in demanding that those same works change, completely ignores the work of other authors who were neither.
In demanding changes to properties made by white men for the sake of minorities, they are unconsciously implying that those works are the only ones worth the title of "classic." You'd think authors like Samuel Delaney, W. E. B. DuBois, Charles Saunders, Milton Davies, Octavia Butler, N. K. Jesmin, & countless more simply didn't exist - that the only way we'll see people of colour in fantasy is if we change the work of white authors, rather than consider elevating authors of colour who've been doing this for decades.
It's insulting Eurocentric garbage masquerading as progressive. Was the unknown author of The Epic of Gilgamesh a white man? Or the original storytellers of A Thousand And One Nights or the Ramayana, or the Thirteen Classics of Chinese Literature?
The reason they want to change LOTR & GOT is simple greed & cowardice. They don't *want* to take a chance on making a new, diverse fantasy either based on a book that already fits their needs, or just mailing up their own. Even with the success of Black Panther, they just don't think it'll sell. All they know is LOTR & GOT are successful, but they have neither the imagination nor the courage to make the next LOTR or GOT. All they can do is change it - & in the process, demean everyone, especially those they are claiming to champion.
Well said.
And man I would LOVE a show on the story of Gilgamesh.
Not every movie can have as 'diverse' a cast as black panther.......
@@alexgillis9446 Ah, I see what you mean. I meant to use "diverse" in terms of fantasy/science fiction adaptations as a whole. All I'm saying is you don't have to resort to tokenism in adaptations when there are plenty of works out there that don't have to be tokenised to begin with.
@@Angrenost02 Epic of Gilgamesh, a number of Indian stories, and a Hollywood level budget adaptation of Journey to the West.
I'll admit, The Woman King looks pretty cool too. Definitely influenced by Black Panther's success for some executive to green light that film. I'd be all for a film that was pitched as "It's like Black Panther, but set in a fantasy world with monsters and magic" as well.
@@Angrenost02 Me too! :)
I am an almost emotionless pure logical person and i want to see myself represented instead of being portrayed as toxic
I've heard rumors Amazon is putting out a show that has some of the same words that J.R.R. Tolkien may have used in an appendix to one of his later works, but the resemblance is slight. Thankfully, I don't have a tempest in me...
Because Tolkien never wrote anything about men having feelings in his work, and men are just emotionless in general. The same guy said elves came from the mountains.
Furthermore, I love how the author of the article says taking issues with the physical traits of the actors are absurd but simultaneously takes issues with the physical traits of fictional characters.
"If we want to keep hold of those touchstones, like “Lord of the Rings” and “Game of Thrones,” modern adaptations will have to look and feel different too."
Then it will no longer be Lord of the Rings, I can't believe this has to be said. Very cute how she threw in Tom Bombadils name as if she is truly a fan, its like the Steve Buscemi "how do you do fellow kids?" meme.
These people are frauds.
I'm confused, what do you mean he wrote about men not having feelings? His characters most certainly do have feelings, and men are not emotionless, there's just a dumb pressure for them to not have feelings. A big part of Frodo's struggle is the emotional anguish he's going through by bearing the ring, and I'm pretty sure that counts as feelings.
@@gianna526 First time on the internet?
@@jspthesecond0723 I guess so, since I still can't understand your comment. Maybe I completely misinterpreted it, and if so I apologize. Not to make excuses but I'm exhausted and can't even read properly and really should be in bed, I'm sure in the morning I'll face palm in disgust at my lack of wisdom.
@@gianna526 he was being sarcastic
Damn lad, you keep getting better and better at getting to the heart of things. Keep up the spectacular work!
Wow, one of best commentaries ever. Felt like sitting in a university lecture on arts, culture and entertainment by the best faculty there is. More power to you. Love the way you articulate your thoughts.
Edit: And if arts were universal truth, it will be called science and maths not arts and literature.
Someone took 1984 as an Instruction Manual.