I have the s&w 43c that I carry from time to time mainly for the reasons you stated. 8 shots, super light, easy to shoot, and works well with summer dress. Only problem I'm too ashamed to tell anyone I carry a 22lr, but then again I don't tell anyone I carry a gun anyway. Good video.
His videos are extremely practical and full of what should be common sense. Thank you for being a voice of reason. Well said and more importantly well demonstrated.
I'm a retired police officer from a large city here in Texas and I have seen a lot of people killed with a 22 pistol and the ones that weren't killed were down and not ready to get up and run a foot race. Yes its a deadly round and don't let anyone tell you it isn't. Do I carry one ....yes, do I feel under gunned no . I know what this little round can do because I have seen it first hand. I still carry my .45 sometimes but most of the time its my snub nose 2 in revolver in 22lr.
I too carry an LCR in .22lr. love this little pistol. I really like your deep carry rig. Probably going to copy you on that...... Better than what I do now (pocket carry Inna DeSantis Pocket Nemisis holster). I am a huge advocate for .22lr for EDC defensive use. For 6 primary reasons. Just what I could think of off the top of my head. 1) The ammo is cheap and plentiful. You can practice, practice, practice for a 1/4 of the price of 9mm. 2) The pistols are generally less expensive. 3) The pistols are light and easily concealed. Most modern .22lr pistols are just a reliable as .380/.38/.357/9mm/.40/.45 counterparts. Especially the revolvers. 4) Zero recoil. Which leads to faster follow up shots. Zero recoil also leads to higher confidence levels which leads to higher proficiency especially among less experienced shooters. 5) Show me anyone who is willing to take a .22lr to the chest to prove the little underestimated round will "just piss them off" and I will show you a dead fool. There is extensive statistics that show that the .22lr is by far one of, if not, the most lethal round carried and used. 6) If needed, the .22lr EDC pistol can be used to take small game in a survival scenario.
I've said these same words for 20 yrs dont care one bit about naysayers If theres someone who can take eight to the face and still keep coming let them come.
A bouncer that I used to work with got shot 3 times in the chest at point blank range with an NAA mini revolver chambered in .22 (not sure if lr or mag) and he still beat the absolute piss out of the guy that shot him. Of course this was a 6'3" 275 pound power lifter, not some average Joe, but still, I don't think the story would have gone the same way if it was a .380 or bigger. Not trying to trash the pocket pistol, I personally carry a baby browning .25 auto, but only as a backup to my Glock 19.
8 rounds is great too but I do disagree on one thing at least in my case. Mine was $600. That's not cheap to me. I bought from gun store though not online.
Great video. I have a number of LCR's. I carry the LCR9mm, train with the 22.cal (which by the way is my favorite Plinker of all time and I own many 22'cals. I never considered a 22 for carry, until recently which shooting. My gosh 8 fast rounds of that stuff into face and neck etc. would screw up any ones day. And since it is 22.cal you can get a whole lot of training in very cost effectively. I have been shooting for decades and never realized you would not get the blast as you showed. Bravo for a great video. PS the LCR22 will seldom get any failures. Using good quality ammo and you are good to go.
There is one reason why I didn't buy the Ruger LCR 22lr . It is because I already have a LCR in 327 Fed Mag on which I run 32 S&W Long. It has almost no recoil with the same footprint, but with a little more power. The big plus for the LCR 22lr is that you will love the price for the ammo on the LCR 22LR and get plenty of practice with placing accurate shots.
Lol, has the ammo shortage working out for ya? Heck, hard enough to find any 327 when times are good. And what about training? I Have the LCR9mm and the LCR22. The 22.cal has been a God Send for training and just sheer fun.
@@davevabch I occasionally shot the 327 LCR while using my ammo reserves. I’m currently in the market for. 22LR revolver so it looks like the 22lr LCR is a great choice. Hoping to find a Taurus revolver just to give them a try. How is the recoil on the LCR 9mm?
My father left me a Smith & Wesson 30-01 32 caliber revolver. Its in almost new condition made in about 1955. The price of the ammo 32 S&WL was 80 cents a round ! Only one place in Florida had them over a year ago. They just don't make them anymore. Ammo cost / availability alone should be the Number ONE Factor before even Buying a firearm today. Consider you should always practice with the firearm you plan to carry !
Interesting video. I imagine by now you must have tried the CCI Uppercut ammo. I' d like to know what kind of holster allows to switch between normal and deep concealment. Cheers!!!
Great gun! My unscientific test of the new Federal .22lr Punch "self defense " round was impressive. I fired a Velocitor and a Mini-Mag into two large, wet hardcover books. They both penetrated through 600 pages. The Punch round blew through all 800 pages, exited the back of the second hardcover book and then went right through a 1 gallon jug of water! Next time I'll compare it to a solid round, instead of HP!
The biggest selling point for me was the "cheap and therefore fun to shoot" aspect which just translates to tons of trigger time and rounds down range. Frankly... I'm better with my .22lr than I am with any other gun I've owned... and I don't just mean "better"... I mean stoopid better... like intuitive trick shot point shooting better... like when I was a kid and got my first BB gun and spent damn near every day ALL summer and fall out back by the tree line plinking cans better. Just my opinion... but THAT kind of familiarity/confidence with a gun has got to translate positively to self defense scenarios.
That's my kind of better. I Feel bad now but I used to hunt birds sometimes with my pellet rifle when I was a kid. Before that I shot one down with my wrist rocket. We used to play war in the woods. We'd wear thick clothes and put goggles on. We were only allowed to pump bb gun once but it sure felt like 2 pumps sometimes. Dirty rascals. 😂
@@jerrylisby3440 I think the "one pump rule" lasted all of maybe 10 minutes before someone upped the ante... an hour later... "eeeeeleven" ;-) I have a buddy that probably still has a BB lodged in his calf, on account of us sneaking up on his older brother and unloading... boy was THAT a mistake!
@@judgesfiveeight hahaha. Ouch 11? We did crazy things back then. Rock fights was fun until a neighbor threw a palm sized and perfectly timed throw right when I raised up from cover. Put a pretty good knot on my noggin. We used to shoot bottle rockets at each other too. I don't know how we made it through all of those days without putting someone's eye out. Then we would lay down and take turns jumping over each other with dirt bikes. Boy were we dumb. We would climb up the power tower in my backyard and all kinds of crazy stuff. Some how we survived. Then we raced our Dodge Chargers. I thank be God for getting through my youth in one piece. Not everyone is so fortunate. Some people I went to High School with died in car wrecks.
I just about shit when you held your hand next to the cylinder. I would have never thought you could do that, 22lr or not. Good to know! I was going to get one of those or a 43c recently but ended up getting the LCP2 in 22. It's super entertaining. Thanks for the vid.
I carry mine every day. Also carry to speed loaders. Gun and loader #1 loaded with Federal Punch 22LR, and loader #2 with CCI quiet 22LR. Nice to have a hearing safe option for shooting.
I run the exact same setup. Really like the speed strips, and I love this little revolver. The strips have hardly any footprint. Of course they aren't quite as fast as a speed loader, but I can't see myself carrying that extra bulk. Besides, getting a reload off in a self defense situation is a bit optimistic anyway, but it's nice to have just in case.
Absolutely agree on everything said. Have same Ruger LCR.22 LR. It's one I Carry daily and basically for good reasons, personal. It's great velocity in CCI stinger and aguila maximum velocity. A good self defense gun for shoot and go .
.22 snub for a fight and a rifle for a gun fight is a concept i've been thinking about more and more. In a self defense senario you are in fist fight ranges so mma training and a small 22 revolver if lethal force is required makes more sense. If you are in a real gunfight a rifle is what you want so a truck gun makes more sense. 9mm double stacks are a kind of mid point on that scale and as a result make sense if you don't want or can't spend the money on a small revolver and a truck gun. Lucas from Trex arms has even mentioned that he carries his glock 17 mostly for active shooter response and that it isn't a great option for most self defense senarios, as very rarely will you be able to draw and fire without being shot first. A sub second draw does nothing for you with a gun inches from your temple.
Have carried a S&W 43c for the last year. This video got me interested in the LCR 22LR. Got one for an occasional BUG to my EDC 43C today. It's ALMOST as UGLY as a GLOCK but I like it anyways.
Excellent video.I really like my 22 LR LCR,,I'm also liking my LCP II 22,,these little rimfire handguns have their place when it comes to up close & personal self defense situations.
I agree with Chuck Haggard, well stated. I laugh at those Jokers who says the .22 won't stop them on their worst day. Yet they won't take up the 21 foot challenge to prove their Theory .22 won't stop them.
As a former law enforcement officer I can attest to the fact that .22 is far from the best choice to carry. There is a reason professionals such as law enforcement officers do not carry .22 firearms. It’s definitely better than nothing and may stop someone with the first shot depending on where the round hits but their is also a very good chance it will not immediately take out a determined attacker. I have seen bad guys get struck with 9mm hollow points and they were as good as dead, they were experiencing major internal bleeding and would be dead in minutes. The problem is there has been incidents where the bad guy full of adrenaline already shot and going to bleed to death in minutes continues the fight and ends up fatally shooting the officer before succumbing to their injuries. That’s after getting hit with a 9mm round, can you imagine how ineffective a .22 could be in a gun fight. If you are talking about an unarmed mugger a .22 is most likely going to make them stop, they would be crazy not to. But if you got into a gun fight with a determined attacker you would be at a huge disadvantage using a .22 round. I won’t even get into how unreliable Rimfire cartridges are. There is no reason not to carry something with more power. If someone has a hard time with recoil, etc. they simply need to train. I see no upside to carrying a .22 Rimfire when there is so many better options for stopping power, reliability, etc. a .380 ACP centerfire would be a much better choice than .22 if someone wanted a smaller round. Again, there is a reason police do not carry .22, it simply does not have reliable stopping power of a determined attacker who is shooting at you.
@@fastdude2002 you make some great points, but to quote my friend tårn who was quoting someone else "the greatest stopping power is shot placement". If you shoot someone in the head with .22, or with .50 AE, they'll be just as dead in both scenrios.
@@rudipell90 The heavy trigger definitely makes it safer, especially for carry in a pocket, pack or purse. On the other hand it is very likely to be significantly more difficult to make precise accurate hits on target.
Downsides of a rimfire cartridge. You need a bigger whack on the primer. C Baker of lucky gunner may have a point about 327 as the best revolver round.
I had been thinking to myself "how much more can 22WM cost... 1.5x? 2x?" Then I looked it up and saw the light. I have a .338WM A-Bolt that I am never going to fire much less hunt with, so I am seriously contemplating trying to sell that and get a .22lcr or 43c. I will go over your and other's discussion of the pros and cons of each many times before I make a choice though. I want to be mostly practical for once.
@@Hugatree4me I am in small town WY, where for EDC, conceal-ability is not an issue. I wanted a pajama gun though. Anyway my experience will be of no use to you since I ended up getting an LCP Max and hand-loading 68gr Lehigh extreme defense bullets for it. I didn't find it too snappy with these loads but did experience occasional failures to feed with the Lehigh bullets getting stuck on the ramp about 1 out of 150 rounds (never the first of course). For a pajama gun, I accepted this risk. Because of the reliability issue I wouldn't do it again though.
Going to a .22 revolver myself. I currently edc a S&W 442, but training with it is not cheap, nor fun. After about 50 rounds of .38 special I’m ready to pack it in for the day. I’m 39 years old and in my almost 40 years I’ve never even had to draw a firearm as a civilian and the likelihood is I never will. I don’t go to sketchy places and I don’t stay out late. The older I get the more I’m starting to realize that the caliber debate is largely nonsense outside of police or combat applications. It’s become more of a marketing tool by gun manufacturers for the “tacticool” crowd to be able to puff their chest and say that they carry 9mm or above. I love the S&W J frame platform. Any experience with the S&W 43c compared to the LCR .22?
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 thank you for the response! I enjoy your content and think you’re both logical and reasonable with how things are real world regarding self defense. I have heard some issues with the 43c too, especially due to the cylinder being aluminum vs stainless steel. I’ll more than likely go with the LCR. It’s cheaper too.
I would think practicing with bulk .22lr there would be some misfires, and with 'better' .22lr the misfires would be very few and far between...that is why when we carry .22 it always 'better' ammo, and in a revolver...'squeeze the trigger again' the fastest, simplest response under duress and the odds of back to back misfires pretty slim...
@@themetermaid7758 the 351c is a pretty decent little gun, and the .22mag gains at least 100fps in velocity in almost every loading over what the .22lr can do. If you can find them the .22mag Gold Dot is a really capable loading.
@@themetermaid7758 in an ideal world I'd have both. In .22lr you have to pick your ammo carefully for snubs, not all of it gets going fast enough to penetrate sufficiently, whereas most of the .22mags do fine in my observation of testing. My go to .22lr snub loads are Velocitors, Stingers, and Mini Mag HHPs, in that order, several of the other available loads can be OK to, like Federal Auto Match, Mini Mag solids, etc. , but the first three are definitely the best choices. You lose one round from the .22lr going to the .22mag in the S&Ws, 2 rounds in the Ruger LCR.
Curios which fiber optic you used for the LCR 22lr front sight. HIVIZ says that they don't have one for the 22lr of 327 Fed Mag. I have heard that it will fit but that it will alter the sight picture because the trajectory of the .22lr is slightly different than the .38/.357.
Have you seen the video Brendan Herrera did with that dude from Maxim Defense about the frangible compressed copper powder ammo they made? I was wondering if you think a 22lr version of that would be extremely potent ballistically and would make a good carry ammo for this setup.
@DC (or anyone with the experience): Have you had spent shells ejection difficulties with some 22lr ammo, out of revolver, especially the high/hyper velocity ones like cci Stingers or Fed Punch (both happen to also be nickel plated or entirely nickel case, if im correct?) ?
my understanding that the lcr has a lighter trigger pull, by almost half, if you're still wondering. I purchased a 43c because the weight savings was top priority for me.
I got the 43c for its insanely light weight. I don't think you can go wrong with either choice. The only question is whether or not the 3oz weight savings is worth the extra 200 plus bucks.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 I’m under the understanding that S&W QC is all over the place on their revolvers. Any reason you think the ruger is better than the smith? I may have overlooked it in one of your other videos on the gun
@@tunyaist As a 43C owner I would also love to know. One thing I can think of is that you can dry fire the LCR. It’s cheaper, and people have voiced quality issues with S&W in the past few years.
@@t3r083my BRAND NEW 43C has to go back to S&W because it refuses to fire four to five rounds out of the cylinder. A $750 pistol doesn't work out of the box. WTF? I mean brand new! That's why I go with my LCR 22 LR. 4,000 + rounds and zero issues. I love my S&W revolvers and my Ruger revolvers. That 43C is a total piece of crap. At least the one I have.
Not at all, but if I wore some of the clothes I see people wearing, I would t be able to carry anything comfortably. What works: Stretch jeans. Mid to high rise. Sized for me AND the gun. Try Wrangler 4way stretch from walmart
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 Thanks 4 t tips, bro. Good system. I never found an inside the pant holster that i found comfortable tho. Have u ever tried a nice 30 year old s&w airlight or airweight .32? I like that even better. Also, try removing the grip to make it lighter and more compact. Tape up the handle.
I bought the sw airlite in 22mag. 7 rounds. Does it accomplish full effect of 22mag? Obviously not, but still real good. Expensive but I expect it to retain value. Only downside is 12lb trigger pull in double action. Don’t care because I shoot most revolvers in single action anyway. Nice vid. 22 imho will end almost all citizen self defense issues anyway. I’m not chasing bank robbers down the street.
While I love your content and understand your points- I gotta say: Your preference is your preference but picking a 22lr revolver, snub nosed or otherwise, for serious self defense is not a good idea- for multiple reasons. 1.) Even the best quality 22lr ammo will have more frequent failures than any centerfire rounds which is a bigger liability given the reduced capacity of a revolver. 2.) The anemic power of 22lr has been explained to death on the internet. An incredibly short barrel will not help that factor- the non-existent recoil and muzzle blast don't seem like valuable tradeoffs when heavy clothing or bone deflection could compromise what might be a downed target with a bigger caliber. 3.) When micro compact 9mms with capacities of 10 or more rounds exist the weight savings of a snub 22lr become negligible when you could have a comparable weight with greater capacity, firepower, and a lighter trigger pull- not to mention better sights. Even if you prioritize shot placement over round effectiveness there's no denying that regardless of how much you train or how good of a shot you are that in a real life self defense situation your stress will be higher and your preparedness lower than any simulated exercise leading to poorer accuracy. Knowing that's the reality why not make the choice that decrease the possible margin for error i.e.: carry a bigger, more reliable round or a reliable auto loader?
The Biggest Iron thanks for watching! for terminal ballistics, I agree with you, it would be a win. For cost and availability it would be a loss. When you can find the stuff, it isn’t cheap. For reliability, I would say it’s a wash. This particular pistol now has 3200 rounds of CCI velocitor, blazer 38gr and blazer 40gr through it without a single malfunction. That is insanely reliable. It’s more reliable than all of the auto pistols I’ve ever owned.
If I was making the jump to a six round gun, I’d go with a 32cal like a 327fed LCR. a large benefit of the 22lr Snubby is 8 shot cylinders. 22 mag isn’t offering substantially more in a Ruger barrel (confirmed in gel test comparisons)
@@JimRedHawk Penetration is worse than my CCI Velocitor 22lr. 22mag stringer fail FBI minimum penetration threshold. 22lr Velocitor easily pass out of my LCR
@@rustwins4442 further research tells me he currently uses an enigma with a city special holster, he previously used a smart carry which he modified by adding a cheap kydex holster
Need more guys like you! 2 minutes of solid info. Most other guntubers this would be a 17 minute video with half the info.
I have the s&w 43c that I carry from time to time mainly for the reasons you stated. 8 shots, super light, easy to shoot, and works well with summer dress. Only problem I'm too ashamed to tell anyone I carry a 22lr, but then again I don't tell anyone I carry a gun anyway. Good video.
I carry the same gun as you and love it! Buy you some Federal 22LR punch
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Ashamed to carry a .22??? Not me. That's ridiculous saying that.
No shame there, Brother. You can make someone's day go bad in a heartbeat!
How's the trigger on it, compared to LCR?
His videos are extremely practical and full of what should be common sense. Thank you for being a voice of reason. Well said and more importantly well demonstrated.
I'm a retired police officer from a large city here in Texas and I have seen a lot of people killed with a 22 pistol and the ones that weren't killed were down and not ready to get up and run a foot race. Yes its a deadly round and don't let anyone tell you it isn't. Do I carry one ....yes, do I feel under gunned no . I know what this little round can do because I have seen it first hand. I still carry my .45 sometimes but most of the time its my snub nose 2 in revolver in 22lr.
damn crazy little gun, and best arguments and demo I've seen so far
I picked this gun up to train with the DA trigger and got the speed beez speed loader set for it . Makes range work even better !
I too carry an LCR in .22lr. love this little pistol. I really like your deep carry rig. Probably going to copy you on that...... Better than what I do now (pocket carry Inna DeSantis Pocket Nemisis holster).
I am a huge advocate for .22lr for EDC defensive use. For 6 primary reasons. Just what I could think of off the top of my head.
1) The ammo is cheap and plentiful. You can practice, practice, practice for a 1/4 of the price of 9mm.
2) The pistols are generally less expensive.
3) The pistols are light and easily concealed. Most modern .22lr pistols are just a reliable as .380/.38/.357/9mm/.40/.45 counterparts. Especially the revolvers.
4) Zero recoil. Which leads to faster follow up shots. Zero recoil also leads to higher confidence levels which leads to higher proficiency especially among less experienced shooters.
5) Show me anyone who is willing to take a .22lr to the chest to prove the little underestimated round will "just piss them off" and I will show you a dead fool. There is extensive statistics that show that the .22lr is by far one of, if not, the most lethal round carried and used.
6) If needed, the .22lr EDC pistol can be used to take small game in a survival scenario.
I've said these same words for 20 yrs dont care one bit about naysayers
If theres someone who can take eight to the face and still keep coming let them come.
A bouncer that I used to work with got shot 3 times in the chest at point blank range with an NAA mini revolver chambered in .22 (not sure if lr or mag) and he still beat the absolute piss out of the guy that shot him. Of course this was a 6'3" 275 pound power lifter, not some average Joe, but still, I don't think the story would have gone the same way if it was a .380 or bigger.
Not trying to trash the pocket pistol, I personally carry a baby browning .25 auto, but only as a backup to my Glock 19.
@@Blkojo
Get a life.
8 rounds is great too but I do disagree on one thing at least in my case. Mine was $600. That's not cheap to me. I bought from gun store though not online.
22 mag more potent and not bad recoil. But only 6 shots in the Ruger.
Great video. I have a number of LCR's. I carry the LCR9mm, train with the 22.cal (which by the way is my favorite Plinker of all time and I own many 22'cals. I never considered a 22 for carry, until recently which shooting. My gosh 8 fast rounds of that stuff into face and neck etc. would screw up any ones day. And since it is 22.cal you can get a whole lot of training in very cost effectively. I have been shooting for decades and never realized you would not get the blast as you showed. Bravo for a great video. PS the LCR22 will seldom get any failures. Using good quality ammo and you are good to go.
People say carrying a 22lr is useless but if an attacker comes at you and you put two in his face is he going to be worrying about you or his face
There is one reason why I didn't buy the Ruger LCR 22lr . It is because I already have a LCR in 327 Fed Mag on which I run 32 S&W Long. It has almost no recoil with the same footprint, but with a little more power. The big plus for the LCR 22lr is that you will love the price for the ammo on the LCR 22LR and get plenty of practice with placing accurate shots.
Lol, has the ammo shortage working out for ya? Heck, hard enough to find any 327 when times are good. And what about training? I Have the LCR9mm and the LCR22. The 22.cal has been a God Send for training and just sheer fun.
@@davevabch I occasionally shot the 327 LCR while using my ammo reserves. I’m currently in the market for. 22LR revolver so it looks like the 22lr LCR is a great choice. Hoping to find a Taurus revolver just to give them a try. How is the recoil on the LCR 9mm?
The 2 extra shots in the 22lr doesn't hurt either
My father left me a Smith & Wesson 30-01 32 caliber revolver. Its in almost new condition made in about 1955. The price of the ammo 32 S&WL was 80 cents a round ! Only one place in Florida had them over a year ago. They just don't make them anymore. Ammo cost / availability alone should be the Number ONE Factor before even Buying a firearm today. Consider you should always practice with the firearm you plan to carry !
Interesting video. I imagine by now you must have tried the CCI Uppercut ammo.
I' d like to know what kind of holster allows to switch between normal and deep concealment. Cheers!!!
Great gun! My unscientific test of the new Federal .22lr Punch "self defense " round was impressive. I fired a Velocitor and a Mini-Mag into two large, wet hardcover books. They both penetrated through 600 pages. The Punch round blew through all 800 pages, exited the back of the second hardcover book and then went right through a 1 gallon jug of water! Next time I'll compare it to a solid round, instead of HP!
I carry the 43C and the Ruger LCR both with 22 punch I'm going to try out the Winchester 22LR segmented defensive ammo
.22 LR and .22WMR hollow points dont expand enough to worry about imo
The biggest selling point for me was the "cheap and therefore fun to shoot" aspect which just translates to tons of trigger time and rounds down range. Frankly... I'm better with my .22lr than I am with any other gun I've owned... and I don't just mean "better"... I mean stoopid better... like intuitive trick shot point shooting better... like when I was a kid and got my first BB gun and spent damn near every day ALL summer and fall out back by the tree line plinking cans better. Just my opinion... but THAT kind of familiarity/confidence with a gun has got to translate positively to self defense scenarios.
Plus abundance of ammo and cheap. Practice all you want on the cheap.
That's my kind of better. I Feel bad now but I used to hunt birds sometimes with my pellet rifle when I was a kid. Before that I shot one down with my wrist rocket. We used to play war in the woods. We'd wear thick clothes and put goggles on. We were only allowed to pump bb gun once but it sure felt like 2 pumps sometimes. Dirty rascals. 😂
@@jerrylisby3440 I think the "one pump rule" lasted all of maybe 10 minutes before someone upped the ante... an hour later... "eeeeeleven" ;-) I have a buddy that probably still has a BB lodged in his calf, on account of us sneaking up on his older brother and unloading... boy was THAT a mistake!
@@judgesfiveeight hahaha. Ouch 11? We did crazy things back then. Rock fights was fun until a neighbor threw a palm sized and perfectly timed throw right when I raised up from cover. Put a pretty good knot on my noggin. We used to shoot bottle rockets at each other too. I don't know how we made it through all of those days without putting someone's eye out. Then we would lay down and take turns jumping over each other with dirt bikes. Boy were we dumb. We would climb up the power tower in my backyard and all kinds of crazy stuff. Some how we survived. Then we raced our Dodge Chargers. I thank be God for getting through my youth in one piece. Not everyone is so fortunate. Some people I went to High School with died in car wrecks.
@@judgesfiveeight come to think of it we did go up to 3 pumps but we were supposed to be farther away. You know how that goes. 😂
I just about shit when you held your hand next to the cylinder. I would have never thought you could do that, 22lr or not. Good to know! I was going to get one of those or a 43c recently but ended up getting the LCP2 in 22. It's super entertaining. Thanks for the vid.
Knowing Rhett, and I don’t know him well, he probably tested it with paper first….
I carry mine every day. Also carry to speed loaders. Gun and loader #1 loaded with Federal Punch 22LR, and loader #2 with CCI quiet 22LR. Nice to have a hearing safe option for shooting.
Thank you. I carry s&w 43c with federal punch ammo and one extra strip just in case. Never look back.
I run the exact same setup. Really like the speed strips, and I love this little revolver. The strips have hardly any footprint. Of course they aren't quite as fast as a speed loader, but I can't see myself carrying that extra bulk. Besides, getting a reload off in a self defense situation is a bit optimistic anyway, but it's nice to have just in case.
My primary is usually the 327 LCR. Easy to run and not punishing.
Absolutely agree on everything said. Have same Ruger LCR.22 LR. It's one I Carry daily and basically for good reasons, personal. It's great velocity in CCI stinger and aguila maximum velocity. A good self defense gun for shoot and go .
Good video. Do not get a Taurus 942. Unless you are generally lucky.
.22 snub for a fight and a rifle for a gun fight is a concept i've been thinking about more and more. In a self defense senario you are in fist fight ranges so mma training and a small 22 revolver if lethal force is required makes more sense. If you are in a real gunfight a rifle is what you want so a truck gun makes more sense. 9mm double stacks are a kind of mid point on that scale and as a result make sense if you don't want or can't spend the money on a small revolver and a truck gun. Lucas from Trex arms has even mentioned that he carries his glock 17 mostly for active shooter response and that it isn't a great option for most self defense senarios, as very rarely will you be able to draw and fire without being shot first. A sub second draw does nothing for you with a gun inches from your temple.
Very, very cool. None of the tacticool BS. Just an invisible snubbie.
Good points. 360PD is
Love my LCRx 22lr. Very light to carry and fun (and cheap) to shoot. Wears like iron.
Yes good! SW351c is a .22mag 7shot. Super light fits in jogging shorts with ClipDraw on it.
Love your innovative approach.
Have carried a S&W 43c for the last year. This video got me interested in the LCR 22LR. Got one for an occasional BUG to my EDC 43C today. It's ALMOST as UGLY as a GLOCK but I like it anyways.
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Excellent video.I really like my 22 LR LCR,,I'm also liking my LCP II 22,,these little rimfire handguns have their place when it comes to up close & personal self defense situations.
Great info in all your videos, I am now a fan.👍🙂
Very well done. All great points. Thanks!
You are selling me on the 22 lcr! What’s the name of the inside holster brand and type?
Great presentation
I agree with Chuck Haggard, well stated.
I laugh at those Jokers who says the .22 won't stop them on their worst day.
Yet they won't take up the 21 foot challenge to prove their Theory .22 won't stop them.
As a former law enforcement officer I can attest to the fact that .22 is far from the best choice to carry. There is a reason professionals such as law enforcement officers do not carry .22 firearms. It’s definitely better than nothing and may stop someone with the first shot depending on where the round hits but their is also a very good chance it will not immediately take out a determined attacker. I have seen bad guys get struck with 9mm hollow points and they were as good as dead, they were experiencing major internal bleeding and would be dead in minutes. The problem is there has been incidents where the bad guy full of adrenaline already shot and going to bleed to death in minutes continues the fight and ends up fatally shooting the officer before succumbing to their injuries. That’s after getting hit with a 9mm round, can you imagine how ineffective a .22 could be in a gun fight. If you are talking about an unarmed mugger a .22 is most likely going to make them stop, they would be crazy not to. But if you got into a gun fight with a determined attacker you would be at a huge disadvantage using a .22 round. I won’t even get into how unreliable Rimfire cartridges are. There is no reason not to carry something with more power. If someone has a hard time with recoil, etc. they simply need to train. I see no upside to carrying a .22 Rimfire when there is so many better options for stopping power, reliability, etc. a .380 ACP centerfire would be a much better choice than .22 if someone wanted a smaller round. Again, there is a reason police do not carry .22, it simply does not have reliable stopping power of a determined attacker who is shooting at you.
@@fastdude2002 you make some great points, but to quote my friend tårn who was quoting someone else "the greatest stopping power is shot placement". If you shoot someone in the head with .22, or with .50 AE, they'll be just as dead in both scenrios.
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The only frustration is that the 22LR versions have heavier a trigger pull than the standard LCR in centerfire cartridges
Doesn't that make it safer?
@@rudipell90 The heavy trigger definitely makes it safer, especially for carry in a pocket, pack or purse. On the other hand it is very likely to be significantly more difficult to make precise accurate hits on target.
Downsides of a rimfire cartridge. You need a bigger whack on the primer. C Baker of lucky gunner may have a point about 327 as the best revolver round.
@@ericmckinley7985 100%
@@ericmckinley7985especially when you can use .32 ACP in moon clips. .32 ACP is very underrated makes better holes than .22LR.
I had been thinking to myself "how much more can 22WM cost... 1.5x? 2x?" Then I looked it up and saw the light. I have a .338WM A-Bolt that I am never going to fire much less hunt with, so I am seriously contemplating trying to sell that and get a .22lcr or 43c. I will go over your and other's discussion of the pros and cons of each many times before I make a choice though. I want to be mostly practical for once.
You end up choosing the S&W or the Ruger?
@@Hugatree4me I am in small town WY, where for EDC, conceal-ability is not an issue. I wanted a pajama gun though. Anyway my experience will be of no use to you since I ended up getting an LCP Max and hand-loading 68gr Lehigh extreme defense bullets for it. I didn't find it too snappy with these loads but did experience occasional failures to feed with the Lehigh bullets getting stuck on the ramp about 1 out of 150 rounds (never the first of course). For a pajama gun, I accepted this risk. Because of the reliability issue I wouldn't do it again though.
@@vicnighthorse I appreciate the response on such an old comment! Glad you're enjoying the LCP!
This looks like a lot of fun. Thanks for sharing.
Going to a .22 revolver myself. I currently edc a S&W 442, but training with it is not cheap, nor fun. After about 50 rounds of .38 special I’m ready to pack it in for the day. I’m 39 years old and in my almost 40 years I’ve never even had to draw a firearm as a civilian and the likelihood is I never will. I don’t go to sketchy places and I don’t stay out late. The older I get the more I’m starting to realize that the caliber debate is largely nonsense outside of police or combat applications. It’s become more of a marketing tool by gun manufacturers for the “tacticool” crowd to be able to puff their chest and say that they carry 9mm or above. I love the S&W J frame platform. Any experience with the S&W 43c compared to the LCR .22?
43c is lighter, but more commonly breaks and has a rougher trigger than LCR
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 thank you for the response! I enjoy your content and think you’re both logical and reasonable with how things are real world regarding self defense. I have heard some issues with the 43c too, especially due to the cylinder being aluminum vs stainless steel. I’ll more than likely go with the LCR. It’s cheaper too.
Looks like the Bantam Boot Hogue grip. How do you like it over the standard Tamer grip?
Great Video.
Just curious , after 2 years do you still feel the same way?
I'm thinking of picking up an LRC .22lr.
Same feels. It’s an excellent tool
As often as you practice with your 22 snubby did you happen to experience misfires with 22lr? If so how many?
I would think practicing with bulk .22lr there would be some misfires, and with 'better' .22lr the misfires would be very few and far between...that is why when we carry .22 it always 'better' ammo, and in a revolver...'squeeze the trigger again' the fastest, simplest response under duress and the odds of back to back misfires pretty slim...
Well stated.
Suggest Velocitors as a carry load if you can get them.
Chuck would you recommend the 351c over this or is it negligent between the 22lr and 22wmr?
@@themetermaid7758 the 351c is a pretty decent little gun, and the .22mag gains at least 100fps in velocity in almost every loading over what the .22lr can do. If you can find them the .22mag Gold Dot is a really capable loading.
@@chuckhaggard1584 so you would recommend the 351c/22wmr over the 43c/22lr ? Looking to pick up one of them.
@@themetermaid7758 in an ideal world I'd have both.
In .22lr you have to pick your ammo carefully for snubs, not all of it gets going fast enough to penetrate sufficiently, whereas most of the .22mags do fine in my observation of testing.
My go to .22lr snub loads are Velocitors, Stingers, and Mini Mag HHPs, in that order, several of the other available loads can be OK to, like Federal Auto Match, Mini Mag solids, etc. , but the first three are definitely the best choices.
You lose one round from the .22lr going to the .22mag in the S&Ws, 2 rounds in the Ruger LCR.
Curios which fiber optic you used for the LCR 22lr front sight. HIVIZ says that they don't have one for the 22lr of 327 Fed Mag. I have heard that it will fit but that it will alter the sight picture because the trajectory of the .22lr is slightly different than the .38/.357.
Have you seen the video Brendan Herrera did with that dude from Maxim Defense about the frangible compressed copper powder ammo they made? I was wondering if you think a 22lr version of that would be extremely potent ballistically and would make a good carry ammo for this setup.
In 22 you get adequate penetration or fragmentation/expansion. There’s not enough energy for both.
Thanks for the info. What holster are you using?
Nice shooting on that plate rack
@DC (or anyone with the experience):
Have you had spent shells ejection difficulties with some 22lr ammo, out of revolver,
especially the high/hyper velocity ones like cci Stingers or Fed Punch
(both happen to also be nickel plated or entirely nickel case, if im correct?)
?
If the shells stick, the chambers have a hard carbon ring inside. Clean it often and thoroughly.
Wait does the 9mm version have a powder blast or does it not like the 22lr version in the video?
So, may I ask why this over a 43c? The 43c is a bit lighter
my understanding that the lcr has a lighter trigger pull, by almost half, if you're still wondering. I purchased a 43c because the weight savings was top priority for me.
Great concepts for sure. What edc belt are you using?
Thank you !
Great Video, thanks.
22lr also has way less wear & tear on the weapon.
Girl: Oof... is that a 43C in your pants or are you just happy to see me 😘
Guy: 😶
Thank you that helps a lot.
heck yah , great gun. i want it as a trainer for my mp .38 spcl
Which do you think is a better option, a S&W 43c or the LCR and why. Do you consider the LCR a better shooter?
I got the 43c for its insanely light weight. I don't think you can go wrong with either choice. The only question is whether or not the 3oz weight savings is worth the extra 200 plus bucks.
Absolutely love my LCR 22!
Are you carrying w/o an IWB holster or belly band? How does that work out for you?
Phlster enigma express
Does the Ruger suffer from less problems than the 43c?
@@ogdadbod in my experience, yes
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 I’m under the understanding that S&W QC is all over the place on their revolvers. Any reason you think the ruger is better than the smith? I may have overlooked it in one of your other videos on the gun
I wear a lot of sweatpants and tracksuits what is the best way for me to conceal carry
Buy something that fits in a Phlster Enigma Express. Ideally an LCR. Ideally a 22
I love the idea of this. If things got hairy in the world I'd rather have lighter ammo and would be way more likely to carry this regularly.
A perfect revolver for self-defense.
I carry the smallest 22lr on the market 😂. Its like an extremely strong fist.
Damn good video, thanks!
What would you choose a ruger lcr 22 or a s&w 43c
Always the LCR
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 why
@@tunyaist As a 43C owner I would also love to know. One thing I can think of is that you can dry fire the LCR. It’s cheaper, and people have voiced quality issues with S&W in the past few years.
@@t3r083my BRAND NEW 43C has to go back to S&W because it refuses to fire four to five rounds out of the cylinder. A $750 pistol doesn't work out of the box. WTF? I mean brand new!
That's why I go with my LCR 22 LR. 4,000 + rounds and zero issues. I love my S&W revolvers and my Ruger revolvers. That 43C is a total piece of crap. At least the one I have.
@@Joeak74 dang that sucks. Haven’t had any issues with my 43C yet. Thanks for sharing
When u carry like that and sit down, esp in a car, doesn't it hurt?
Not at all, but if I wore some of the clothes I see people wearing, I would t be able to carry anything comfortably.
What works:
Stretch jeans. Mid to high rise. Sized for me AND the gun. Try Wrangler 4way stretch from walmart
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918
Thanks 4 t tips, bro. Good system. I never found an inside the pant holster that i found comfortable tho.
Have u ever tried a nice 30 year old s&w airlight or airweight .32? I like that even better. Also, try removing the grip to make it lighter and more compact. Tape up the handle.
thoughts on 38 spc wadcutters?
They work. Much more recoil and ammo cost. Same penetration as punch. Slightly bigger hole.
what about that same gun in 22 magnum?
I bought the sw airlite in 22mag. 7 rounds. Does it accomplish full effect of 22mag? Obviously not, but still real good. Expensive but I expect it to retain value. Only downside is 12lb trigger pull in double action. Don’t care because I shoot most revolvers in single action anyway. Nice vid. 22 imho will end almost all citizen self defense issues anyway. I’m not chasing bank robbers down the street.
What holster are you using in this video?
An early SmartCarry.
My man 👌 keep it up
What holster are you using?
Smart Carry with Desantis Slim Tuck shell.
I’d like to see a video of how you rig/use that combo. Sounds versatile.
tenknifefoot me too.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 Yes, can you show your rig set up.
That's what happens when you practice. Nice.
I'm looking for one and can't find it
Soft holster in your pocket looks like a cell phone. That's how I carry. No detection what so ever.
How do they handle bulk ammo?
It’s a revolver, just pull the trigger again.
THANKS
The MOB LOVES or loved the. 22..jus sayin
What holster is that?
per @demonstratedconceptsllc4918 - he stated to another commenter that the holster for his LCR 22 was a Phlster enigma express
This is one of the final two guns on my buy list for all of the reason that you mentioned.
Yesssss! All of it!
While I love your content and understand your points- I gotta say: Your preference is your preference but picking a 22lr revolver, snub nosed or otherwise, for serious self defense is not a good idea- for multiple reasons.
1.) Even the best quality 22lr ammo will have more frequent failures than any centerfire rounds which is a bigger liability given the reduced capacity of a revolver.
2.) The anemic power of 22lr has been explained to death on the internet. An incredibly short barrel will not help that factor- the non-existent recoil and muzzle blast don't seem like valuable tradeoffs when heavy clothing or bone deflection could compromise what might be a downed target with a bigger caliber.
3.) When micro compact 9mms with capacities of 10 or more rounds exist the weight savings of a snub 22lr become negligible when you could have a comparable weight with greater capacity, firepower, and a lighter trigger pull- not to mention better sights.
Even if you prioritize shot placement over round effectiveness there's no denying that regardless of how much you train or how good of a shot you are that in a real life self defense situation your stress will be higher and your preparedness lower than any simulated exercise leading to poorer accuracy.
Knowing that's the reality why not make the choice that decrease the possible margin for error i.e.: carry a bigger, more reliable round or a reliable auto loader?
Good shooting!!
Solid
close range expertise for a close range firearm
one better lcrx 22lr 3 inch
I would like to see more testing of the Aguila 60gr SST. Especially for penetratipn properties.
Im sold
you go ahead on, but i think ill stick with my 38
Good shootin !
LCR?
Ruger LCR 22lr
Don't blow your know off
Would make just a pinch more sense in .25acp as its centerfire and if manufactures would load it to its potential would be slightly more effective.
The Biggest Iron thanks for watching!
for terminal ballistics, I agree with you, it would be a win. For cost and availability it would be a loss. When you can find the stuff, it isn’t cheap. For reliability, I would say it’s a wash. This particular pistol now has 3200 rounds of CCI velocitor, blazer 38gr and blazer 40gr through it without a single malfunction. That is insanely reliable. It’s more reliable than all of the auto pistols I’ve ever owned.
No one loads the .25acp to a level where it surpasses the .22lr in terminal effectiveness.
My wife picked out the same one for herself. No upper body strength and a bad shoulder that had two surgeries.
Dude with that body you should never go without a shirt.
Hey now... he's dad repping ;-)
Change to a .22 magnum.
If I was making the jump to a six round gun, I’d go with a 32cal like a 327fed LCR. a large benefit of the 22lr Snubby is 8 shot cylinders. 22 mag isn’t offering substantially more in a Ruger barrel (confirmed in gel test comparisons)
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 I would suggest you try some CCI Stingers in a .22 magnum.
@@JimRedHawk Penetration is worse than my CCI Velocitor 22lr. 22mag stringer fail FBI minimum penetration threshold. 22lr Velocitor easily pass out of my LCR
What holster are you using in this video ?
Not sure on the holster, but I think it's the enigma chassis system, most reputable kydex holsters work with that rig.
@@rustwins4442 further research tells me he currently uses an enigma with a city special holster, he previously used a smart carry which he modified by adding a cheap kydex holster